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Speaker 1: down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? All

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Speaker 1: that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody. Here's

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvci. May we interrupt your real time Twitter feed

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Speaker 1: as like Lance across the broadcast table here at cards HQ,

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Speaker 1: and I notice Danny Serek and Darren Herman intently focused

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Speaker 1: on the latest breaking US via social media. Paul calvc

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Speaker 1: poly podcast over here. Let me do this, Let me

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Speaker 1: give you a quick analogy on how I think we

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Speaker 1: can all relate to NFL free agency? Are you ready

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Speaker 1: for this? And I might go down in flames, and

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the first nor the last time. Here

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Speaker 1: we go Cossack LVC in the backyard, Polly homeowner over there,

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Speaker 1: trying to show the fifteen year old how to fix

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Speaker 1: a league in the drip system in the backyard. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we dig up the rocks, we fix the league. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I fire it up again. Hey, you know what, take

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Speaker 1: a look around the yard. Let's make sure there's not

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Speaker 1: another one. Look at that leak over there. So that's

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Speaker 1: what the NFL free agency is. We just fixed a league,

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Speaker 1: but now we sprung a leak over there, and we

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Speaker 1: got to address that league. And then there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: another one. When you walk around to the front yard,

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Speaker 1: there's always a leak somewhere that you gotta plug or fix.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna upgrade it? Are you just gonna throw

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Speaker 1: a quick fix in there that gets you? It's a

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Speaker 1: next year? What exactly, how exactly are you going to

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Speaker 1: address it? That's my analogy that maybe everyone might be

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Speaker 1: to NFL free agency because I don't know about YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect ever and I never have been and

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Speaker 1: nor will I ever be in a war room making

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Speaker 1: decisions about an NFL roster. I mean, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a little uh or do you invest in

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Speaker 1: a whole new backyard? No? No, I mean, so you

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Speaker 1: know that's you know, I know, I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's a little uh, pessimistic of an outlook with it,

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Speaker 1: I think, because I mean, obviously it's always gonna be fluid,

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Speaker 1: there's always gonna be holes. There's no there's no team

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers two years ago when they brought everybody back, there's

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Speaker 1: no team that wouldn't mind upgrading somewhere. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: just because the Buccaneers brought everybody back last year doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they absolutely loved every single person they had at

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Speaker 1: every single spot. They just that's how they did it.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the Buccaneers have a

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl offensive lineman who just retires out of nowhere. Right,

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Speaker 1: those kind of things happen. I mean, so there's always

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Speaker 1: there's always holes. The question is is the holes that

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Speaker 1: you do have, how how well can you patch them?

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Speaker 1: What all is out there? And the difference, of course, Paul,

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Speaker 1: patch up that hole, Whereas everything you're you're doing out

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Speaker 1: the brand new backyard. Danny absolutely, And I like to

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Speaker 1: let's say, instead of leaks, maybe it's like flowers growing, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Let's name some names and some numbers. Where do you start, Danny,

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Speaker 1: Tight end zach Ertz agreed two terms for a three

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Speaker 1: thirty one point six million in total value, seventeen point

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Speaker 1: Kyler needs targets, he needs weapons. Zach Ertz one of

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Speaker 1: Stanford smart, He's fully tough. We've heard both Cliff and

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Speaker 1: Kyler talk about his ability to find openings in zones.

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Speaker 1: Just so, to me, you give Kyler and zach Ertz

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Speaker 1: an off season. You give him a full training camp

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Speaker 1: where and then get that chemistry instead of him arriving

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Speaker 1: wanted to stay. So Darren, when this news came down

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Speaker 1: a good idea. And we'll see about the numbers and

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Speaker 1: whether those are those payoff. But you know, when you

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Speaker 1: it's it's a nice start to this, this soft opening

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Speaker 1: to that point, the Cardinals created cap room, right, Jordan

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Speaker 1: James Connor Danny gets what is being called a three year,

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Speaker 1: Another great sign for a player who was in his

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Speaker 1: going to be the James Connor show. Yeah, you would

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, James Connor ended up getting a little

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Speaker 1: which is six million dollars a year. Up to six

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Speaker 1: That's where it gets tough when you start talking about

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Speaker 1: I say, if it's either war, I'd rather have James

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Speaker 1: at six million guaranteed. That's just me. I just think

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Speaker 1: we've seen enough where instances where Chase Edmonds as the

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Speaker 1: primary as the every down back was okay. James Connor

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Speaker 1: a legitimate pro bowler. He's only a year older than

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Speaker 1: have James Conner with the size, the mentality you cite Danny,

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Speaker 1: the pass catching ability, which even Cliff Kingsbury said, surprise

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Speaker 1: one James Conner exceeded our expectations. He had a couple

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Speaker 1: give him a chess bump. I mean, it's just he

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Speaker 1: in the second round and kind of go that direction. Now,

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Speaker 1: could they get a veteran on a one or two

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Speaker 1: year deal, a Melvin Ingram, Jerry Hughes guys in the

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Speaker 1: early thirties, Sure, Randy Gregory, obviously you'd be a roll

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Speaker 1: of the dice. Danny. You know him very well from

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Speaker 1: your Dallas Cowboy days. But he had knee surgery after

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Speaker 1: the season, Randy Gregory, and we know what a risk

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Speaker 1: he's been just off. What do we need to know

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Speaker 1: about Randy Gregory. I like Randy Gregory as a person.

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Speaker 1: I like him as a player. It's no secret he

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Speaker 1: had struggled in the past to get through a full

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Speaker 1: season and dealing with suspensions. However, I will say there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of times people see how he's been suspending

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Speaker 1: all this and all that, and you kind of make

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Speaker 1: assumptions about who they are as a person. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like any of those negative assumptions are not who

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Speaker 1: I have known Randy Gregory to be in my interactions

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Speaker 1: with him when I was with the Dallas Cowboys. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a really nice guy and he's a hard worker.

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Speaker 1: It's just something you have to take into consideration. Now,

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Speaker 1: he played had a great season for the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: he made it through the whole season, so now was

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Speaker 1: his first full off season last year going into that.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot to think about and consider. But

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Speaker 1: I like Randy Gregory and I think he had a

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Speaker 1: great season as well. Here's the story from the sideline.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what year it was, maybe you do, Danny,

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Speaker 1: but when he first came back, remember he was a

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Speaker 1: draft pick of the Cowboys, and then he got banished

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Speaker 1: from the league and or suspended, whatever the circumstances were.

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Speaker 1: So he's gone for a pretty long period of time.

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Speaker 1: It was a matter of years, wasn't it two three years?

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Speaker 1: And so he comes back, he's making his debut. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cowboys in the preseason and the Ones were playing

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Speaker 1: a series or two, and I vividly remember him giving

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Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys all he could handle at left tackle, and

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Speaker 1: DJ coming back to the bench and like shaking his head, like, dang,

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Speaker 1: you know, not the way to start my preseason, not

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Speaker 1: the way to start my campaign. Because he was struggling

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Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory, who came out with something to prove,

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Speaker 1: and all eyes were I mean, it was a meaningless

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Speaker 1: preseason game. Really, the only storyline was Randy Gregory for

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Speaker 1: either side. What does this guy all about? What does

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Speaker 1: he still have? Then? I don't know how the rest

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Speaker 1: of his Cowboys career has gone the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: But there's a guy that if the price tag isn't

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Speaker 1: too you know, if that's like an incentive late in contract,

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Speaker 1: I could see that someone like that coming in. Because

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Speaker 1: right now, help me out here, guys, you have Marcus Golden,

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Speaker 1: you have Devon Kennard, ye, you have Dennis Gardeck. He's

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Speaker 1: a free agent, free agent, that's right. So you really

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Speaker 1: have two people in that position room right now, two players.

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Speaker 1: So well, it's not a want, it's a need. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that i'd have to look exactly

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Speaker 1: of where the rest of the roster is right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's guys that they have infect

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Speaker 1: give me one second, and actually no, there isn't any. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Victor d mccaigee each other six round pick on a

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Speaker 1: duke last year, and he is he is under contract.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Guardeck's a free agent, and that's another reason

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Speaker 1: why they it was important for them to keep Davon

487
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Speaker 1: Kennard is because you don't know what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: with on his Gardeck or Chandler Jones at this point,

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Speaker 1: right back to receiver Christian Kirk. It's sort of been

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Speaker 1: conspicuous by his absence in terms of our mention, we

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Speaker 1: have not mentioned Christian Kirk. What is out there right now?

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Speaker 1: Is it? I have not seen anything. Well, our old pal,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Odegard tweeted that the Jaguars are pushing hard for him,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be honest when this started, and Christian, if

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Speaker 1: you ever hear this, this is no reflection on you.

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Speaker 1: But I know early on there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: people saying he was going to get ten to twelve

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year, and that seemed a pretty nice

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Speaker 1: chunk of change for Christian Kirk, probably higher than this

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Speaker 1: team wanted. There was one report to him twelve to fifteen. Well,

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Speaker 1: now then I saw fifteen, and it's possible if he's

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Speaker 1: got enough of a market, maybe it's even higher than that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they're not going fifteen million dollars a year here. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're going to resign him. I'm guessing he

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Speaker 1: probably ends up somewhere else, although you know, at this

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Speaker 1: early point we haven't seen anything locked down. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Christian is a guy that is from here. He's always

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Speaker 1: loved being here. He's one guy who I would say

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Speaker 1: there's an outside chance that he would take a little

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Speaker 1: less money to sign with the Cardinals than to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. Now, a little less money is different than

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Speaker 1: a lot less money, and that's kind of where Klais

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Speaker 1: Campbell was a few years ago. Klaius was willing to

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Speaker 1: take a little less money and it just got to

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Speaker 1: be too much of a difference. And I think ultimately

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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is gonna get money whipped in, and there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I mean, this is again in

518
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Speaker 1: the NFL, for most players, it's the second contract. That

519
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Speaker 1: is where you get your money. You're never promised a

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Speaker 1: third contract, and even if you are, you're going to

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Speaker 1: probably be on the downside of your career. The rookie

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Speaker 1: contract is what it is. So this is where Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmonds makes his money, this is where Christian Kirk makes

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Speaker 1: his money. And you can't begrudge these guys. And if

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Speaker 1: somebody's willing to pay Christian Kirk fifteen million, dollars a

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Speaker 1: year and thirty guaranteed, and it's not the cars. You

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Speaker 1: better go take that. And I think too on that

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Speaker 1: taking the money. We've seen enough players get hurt, and

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Speaker 1: we've seen enough players in contract years and all that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and it's still just the way we say it's a

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Speaker 1: business for the front office, it's still a business for

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Speaker 1: the players. And as much as I like Christian Kirk

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Speaker 1: and I liked him being here, I think this team

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Speaker 1: too really needs that number two wide receiver in a

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Speaker 1: way that we just didn't really see last season when

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins went down. I'm not sure what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen with AJ Green. I at least haven't really seen

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Speaker 1: many reports online of garnering any interest there, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure where he lands. Yeah, I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen anything on AJ Green. I don't I don't see

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Speaker 1: him coming back unless it was a situation where he's

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Speaker 1: probably playing for less than the six million that he

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Speaker 1: got last year. I don't know that for fact, but

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Speaker 1: that that would be my guess. And you know, AJ

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Speaker 1: Green's also I mean, I haven't seen anything about him

546
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Speaker 1: saying he was done. But he's also to the point

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Speaker 1: his career where who knows. Maybe he's who knows if

548
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Speaker 1: he wants to keep playing. I don't know these things.

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Speaker 1: I would think that Cardinals would want to upgrade at

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Speaker 1: that spot. And so if you if you don't have

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Speaker 1: Green and then you don't have Kirk now Rondale Moore,

552
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I would think slides into kirkspot. So then you still

553
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Speaker 1: need that number two outside guy, and then you're gonna

554
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Speaker 1: need some depth at some point, whether that's signing somebody.

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Speaker 1: I saw you're a guy. Michael Gallup staying with the Cowboys, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, five years coming off that ACL injury.

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Speaker 1: I mean they really like him. Sixty million plus and

558
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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper to Cleveland Brown. So Michael Gallops there. Landry's

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Speaker 1: out there. Although I don't know, I guess technically Michael

560
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Gallops their number one receiver right now, and you just

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Speaker 1: hope that becomes Ceedee Lamb. Oh. I would disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb's number one, right. I mean, you can't say

563
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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup coming off an a CL is your number one.

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Speaker 1: I would say he's your number two. And Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 1: who I drafted in the first round and is going

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Speaker 1: into his third year. Yeah, third year. Yeah, he's my

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Speaker 1: number one. He better play like my number one. I

568
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Speaker 1: would if I'm the Cowboys. I'm absolutely saying, see the

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Speaker 1: year my number one guy, So you better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he wears that number eighty eight, so yeah, let's see him.

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Speaker 1: Let's see him play number one like eighty eight. All right,

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Speaker 1: here's a tweet. I don't need speaking of Jarvis Landry

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Speaker 1: because we talked about Jarvis slander here on Cardinal's Underground

574
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Speaker 1: this offseason, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. I

575
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Speaker 1: just ran his name through Twitter. Ian Rappaport. The Bills

576
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Speaker 1: and Chiefs are two teams to watch on Jarvis Slandry

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Speaker 1: now that he has gotten his release from the Browns,

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Speaker 1: which apparently he requested after they allowed him the ability

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Speaker 1: to seek a tray. Well, they're not in the conference

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Speaker 1: at least now. And then here's the Packers are also

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Speaker 1: expected to be in the mix for Jarvis Landry, according

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Speaker 1: to a source that's from Mike Garafolo, the NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: So you have three premier teams who are bidding for

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Speaker 1: the services of Jarvis Landry. So well, I mean, not

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to see. Packers aren't a hundred percent

586
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Speaker 1: sure they're gonna have Davante Adams on the field. So right,

587
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: he said he's not going to play play. Yeah, so

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00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: they've got till what is that June July? And look,

589
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: you guys, in terms of a deal, essentially you can

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Speaker 1: get a deal. Yeah, you have until I think early July.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Christian Kirk if he departs, not a shocker.

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Speaker 1: Just based on the Rondale Moore draft pick. If you

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Speaker 1: want to get a sense of where a GM is thinking,

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Speaker 1: then you just go one year ahead of a potential

595
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Speaker 1: move right where they target in a draft because they

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Speaker 1: know what's coming. Once upon a time, Klais Campbell to

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Speaker 1: use as an example, which you brought up. The year

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Speaker 1: that Kalais Campbell was going to be leaving, they drafted

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Speaker 1: Robert Kim Dchy didn't work out obviously at one game

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Speaker 1: and one game only where actually looked like an NFL

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Speaker 1: player against the Chargers. And in that game you looked

602
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Speaker 1: like a poor man. Aaron's Donald, Aaron Donald. But we're

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Speaker 1: not going to talk about the dach whatsoever at this point. Look,

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Speaker 1: you knew when they took Rondale Moore to a certain

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Speaker 1: degree they were preparing for the departure of a Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's the loss of Christian Kirk if he does

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Speaker 1: indeed end up with another team. To me, he was

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Speaker 1: the one guy who had true chemistry with Kyler Murray

609
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Speaker 1: and whether it was because they went back to their

610
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Texas A and M days, they had all the chemistry

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Speaker 1: that Kyler and aj Green did not. And that's what's

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00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: tough in losing Christian Kirk. To me, does Rondell Moore

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Speaker 1: have better speed? Is he potentially a guy who could

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: get more separation than a Christian Kirk? Absolutely, But Kirk

615
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Speaker 1: had that chemistry with Kyler that and to me, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for asking, my big thing, my big advice from

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Speaker 1: CALVC consulting for this Cardinals offense in the offseason is

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Speaker 1: the passing game and getting that chemistry between Kyler and

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Speaker 1: the receivers. Think about it. The Rams won a Super Bowl.

620
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Speaker 1: They were trailing late in the fourth quarter and they

621
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Speaker 1: mounted a drive with Cooper Cup and basically Cooper Cup

622
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Speaker 1: only did they not and it was Matthew Stafford at

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup four for four on that drive. Cooper was

624
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Speaker 1: getting double and triple teamed. He still got open and

625
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: then afterwards we learned that, oh, there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of mornings at six am where Matthew Stafford and Cooper

627
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Cup will go out and work on their own. I

628
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Speaker 1: can only hope that at Kyler Murray, especially if he's

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Speaker 1: going to be the long term franchise quarterback for the

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Speaker 1: next five years at Big Money, finds the ability to

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Speaker 1: connect with the DeAndre Hopkins and Rondel Moore and wherever

632
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Speaker 1: else is going to fill out the rest of that

633
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Speaker 1: receiver room, and they get a lot of those same

634
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Speaker 1: reps in together in the off season. That would be

635
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: one thing that if you're looking to steal and it's

636
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: a copycat league from another team, if you're saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are the best practices that the Rams used to

638
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Speaker 1: secure the Lombardi Trophy, I would look at that and

639
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: try and emulate that this offseason as I get away

640
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: from free agency and just get off on a region.

641
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: Talking about emulating the chemistry, just just trying to trying

642
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: to generate that chemistry, trying to trying to implement whatever

643
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: the Rams did between Stafford and Cooper Cup to find

644
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: that chemistry. Do everything you can to achieve that and

645
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: generate that in this Cardinal's passing offense. And to me,

646
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: that's what you lose in Christian Kirk because that was

647
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: the number one connection in terms of just of chemistry

648
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: and how many times was Kyler in trouble and he

649
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: threw off his back foot and just happened to find

650
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk right, whether it was a Willie Mays over

651
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the shoulder catch in the end zone, just different ways.

652
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: He was that safety valve at critical times, and that,

653
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: to me, is going to be the toughest thing to

654
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: replace when I think of the departure of a Christian Kirk. Yeah,

655
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: and that's always hard. That just comes I think with

656
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: time in practice. And I think too, there's other getting

657
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: zach Ertz had great chemistry with Kyler Murray eleven games

658
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: here was here. He had great chemistry with DeAndre Hopkins,

659
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: and that also is probably just because de Hoop is

660
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: d hob and any contested throw is his. But you're right,

661
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: I think that the chemistry was probably the strongest with

662
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk, especially when it was him, AJ Green and

663
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Ronda Moore. And that's just something that's going to have

664
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: to get worked on in the off season. Let me

665
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: think about it. If Matthew Stafford to Cooper Cup, a

666
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: third round pick who ran like a four to six

667
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: something forty. If those two can be unstoppable as a duo,

668
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: what about Kyler Marie and DeAndre Hopkins. I like that point.

669
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: There's no reason that Kyler to d hop shouldn't be

670
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: unstoppable in the NFL. Who cares if he's getting double teamed?

671
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: Who cares if he's get safety help over the top.

672
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: That combo with the right chemistry should be an unstoppable

673
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: force in the NFL, just like the Rams forge with

674
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford. I guess that's my point

675
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: that I think the potential is there to have that

676
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: sort of chemistry between those two. They made a run

677
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: at it a couple of years ago when DeAndre Hopkins

678
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: set the franchise record for catches. I mean, it's not

679
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: like now did a tail near the end of the year. Yeah,

680
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: it did. But if DeAndre Hopkins stays healthy, you feel

681
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: good about the ability there. And again that's why I

682
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: keep thinking back to when we talked about the number

683
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: two receiver, when we talked about it previously, and you know, Paul,

684
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: you were kind of laying out the laundry list of

685
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: what you would want in that guy. And the problem

686
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: is is what you're the laundress of what anybody wants

687
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: and that guy is basically like DeAndre Hopkins light Like,

688
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: we want a guy that's that good, that could be

689
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. If DeAndre Hopkins, it gets hurt. And that's

690
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: just that's a tough thing. That's a tough thing to find.

691
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you you might hit paydirt on a on

692
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: a rookie receiver. You might end up with, uh, you know,

693
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: a Justin Jefferson in the draft and then he ends

694
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: up being this superstar um. But the reality is is

695
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna have to do it as a village.

696
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: And that's why you make sure you bring back zach

697
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Ertz and that's why you make sure that James Connor

698
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: can catch the ball out of the backfield. But yeah,

699
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna need somebody. I mean again, you can't

700
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: just let aj Green and Christian Kirk potentially walk out

701
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the door and not have kind of a replacement thought process.

702
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: All right, So the position we haven't talked about, cornerback,

703
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: what sort of is that a need or is that

704
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: a one Danny Serek, what is it? Cornerback? Potentially number

705
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: one cornerback if you want to spend some big time money,

706
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: they are out there to be had. So what sort

707
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: of urgency do you think the Cardinals should have at

708
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: that position? That's a need, that's a top three need

709
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: for me. I think my top three or a pass rusher,

710
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: number two wide receiver, and a cornerback. Especially Cliff Kingsbury

711
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: set it at the combine. They want to move Buyer

712
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Murphy around a little more. Marco Wilson is only going

713
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: into his second year, so it makes sense to want

714
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: to have a veteran starting cornerback out there. And there's

715
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: a lot of you touched on Cooper Cup. I mean

716
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good receivers, not only in this division,

717
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: in the league they're going to be facing. That to me,

718
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: is a top need for this team. Like to the

719
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: point of j C. Jackson money, Well, we're on the

720
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage and Wolf was all over j C. Jackson.

721
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm like wolf. He wants Jalen Ramsey money. I give

722
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: someone your car keys right now before you drive home

723
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: from the Big Red Rage. J C. Jackson is not happening, No,

724
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: he's not. And I wish sometimes Wolf would take those

725
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: things into account. Do I think cornerback is an important thing? Yes?

726
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: Do I Is it realistic they could find a number

727
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: one corner See? I don't think so. I mean, I

728
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: mean to me, if if do could they use one? Yes?

729
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, would it be better if Byron

730
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Murphy wasn't your number one? Probably? Do? I think the

731
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: odds are strong that Byron Murphy is going to be

732
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: your number one. Yeah, And you drafted him number two,

733
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: and he's young, up and coming, and at some point

734
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: he's going to get a contract extension. That's kind of

735
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: what you're putting on him. Now, maybe you're able to

736
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: find somebody in the draft that can become a number

737
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: one at some point, which is not easy to do,

738
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: and it's certainly not easy to do at number twenty three.

739
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: They need a body. I think they absolutely need to

740
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: add a veteran. But whether that's somebody who I would

741
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: say is better than Byron Murphy so that he would

742
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: take over number one, I don't. I don't know about that.

743
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: And so and when we start talking about priorities, Ed Rusher, yes,

744
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: number two receiver, Yes, I think a cornerback is up there,

745
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: But like, is that more important at this point than

746
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: a right guard, you know, especially with some of the

747
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: revolving door situations they had. And you know, Justin Pugh's

748
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: gonna be Backdejan Humphrey is gonna be your left tackle,

749
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Justin Pugh's gonna be your left guard, Rodney Hudson's gonna

750
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: be your center, and you've got your right tackle, whether

751
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: it's Kelvin Beecham or Josh Jones, is able to finally

752
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 1: take a step forward. But you need a right guard.

753
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: And I you know, I don't know if I want

754
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: Justin Murray, who was steady when he played, But when

755
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: you talk about an offensive lineman and a back injury,

756
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: that makes me super leary. So I think they need

757
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: somebody there. And if I had to, if you pin

758
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: me down right now, I would put cornerback behind right guard.

759
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: Not by mine, but I would just because I think

760
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: this offense is so important. Now again, if we're ranking

761
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 1: these things, I have pass rusher, drop drop drop number

762
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: two receiver and then right guard and cornerbacks somewhere there.

763
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: But again, to me, edge rusher, if there's no Chandler

764
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Jones is so high up that it's tough for me

765
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: to even get past that when we start talking about

766
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: the rest of the rant. Yeah, that's not a leak

767
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: in your backyard. If that's a sinkhole, maybe yeah, yeah,

768
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: that's that's calling the contractor out, not the handyman. I'm

769
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: calling out a contractor. At that point, you're absolutely right,

770
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: I guess. I think a right guard not that out.

771
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: Consider it a need. I think a right guard as

772
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: a spot you can fill later in free agency where

773
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: a veteran guard gets released because a cap implications and

774
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: you can sign a you know, I get that. So

775
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: and I don't really have a big problem with that.

776
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: And I just ran corner like right through our real

777
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: time you know, check right now while I was talking,

778
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: I ran just corner through and for example, like and

779
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: I forgot about this. The Niners could be a secondary

780
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: away from a Super Bowl title. Honestly, I mean, look

781
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: at JR. Quaski Sard just dropping that stinking interception against

782
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: the Rams right in the playoffs the NFC Championship game.

783
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Now he's a safety. They're really hurt in a corner.

784
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: So most of the reports say the Niners, for example,

785
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: are going to be ultra aggressive and free agency going

786
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: after a top like corner. So if it isn't JC Jackson,

787
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: it could be a Stefan Gilmour. Somebody's gonna get overpaid.

788
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: So to Darren's point, it's probably not realistic. The Cardinals

789
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: final legit number one corner someone better than Byron. Top

790
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: cornerbacks always get overpaid, and overpaid is a relative term.

791
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, something else to consider, I mean the Chargers.

792
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: We're doing this with Justin Herbert. You're talking about teams.

793
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Assuming you know the forty niners are gonna move on

794
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: from Jim Gene. You have Tree Lance. These are teams

795
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: with rookies at the beginning of their rookie contracts. Cardinals

796
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: have a quarterback and Kyler Murray who is wanting a

797
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: contract extension, and that has implications with the cap and

798
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: so you're forty nine Ers, the Chargers, those types of

799
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: teams have the ability to go all in on these

800
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: veterans and give them more money because you're not having

801
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: to worry about paying your quarterback in the near future.

802
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: That's true. Is this probably the last year you expect

803
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: the Cardinals to have the ability to spend with a

804
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: quarterback and a rookie contract. Let's say, let's just say

805
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: he gets the Mega Mondo extension at some point this

806
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: saw season Kyler Murray, does that really start restricting their

807
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: spending effective next year? No, not necessarily if because that's

808
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: what happened with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes when they did

809
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: the deal with him, which was two years ago. No

810
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: sounds right, Yeah after the Super Bowl, right super Bowl win? Well, no,

811
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: it was the Niners. Yeah, so its a two years

812
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: if it was after the super Bowl. Two off seasons yep, okay,

813
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: two so it's only been one season, well maybe three

814
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: off seasons. I guess My point is this, I think

815
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: I think they've played with two years of Patrick Mahomes.

816
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: So you you work in the last year of his

817
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: rookie deal where you give him a big signing bonus,

818
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: but it's still low enough where his cap numbers low.

819
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: And then the first year the extension was they had

820
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: a low cap number. Now that jumps like a mother

821
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: this year. But again, and I know I've made this

822
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: point multiple times, Patrick Mahomes had a lower cap number

823
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: last year than Kyler Murray did. So wow, you can,

824
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: you can if you give him the deal. The thing

825
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: is is you have you have he got. He got

826
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: the deal July of twenty twenty. Okay, so he's only

827
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: played one year. No too, so he's played two seasons

828
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: with it, so it basically bought them an extra year.

829
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: So like, if you gave Kyler the deal now, you

830
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: could probably work it where he has a pretty low

831
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: cap number this year and probably a fairly decently low

832
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: cap number next year. Now, again, it all depends on

833
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the I mean, part of the reason Mahomes was able

834
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: to have such low cap numbers early is because he

835
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: signed a ten year deal. You know, if if Kyler

836
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Murray is pushing for a shorter deal, a significantly shorter deal,

837
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: and maybe he is, maybe isn't, so he can go

838
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: right back to the table, it's going to be a

839
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: lot harder to make his number be low. And who knows,

840
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: maybe that's all part of this thing. He should have

841
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: a low number this year. But if if he doesn't

842
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: get the extension this year right now and you and

843
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: you invoke his fifth year option, his fifth year option

844
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: is twenty nine million dollars. Now, that's still lower than

845
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: most big time quarterbacks, but that's still not a low

846
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: cap number. Um, so it's gonna jump next year. Probably regardless,

847
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: and you can again work with it. But again that's

848
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: that's that's why you do all these things. That's why

849
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: you have longer contracts, and that's you know again, that's

850
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: the things that have to be figured out. But they

851
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: have him on a fairly low cap number this year

852
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: and that's not changing. So you you have the ability

853
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: to do that. Okay, he's on his rookie deal. But

854
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: the thing is is they've got a lot of other

855
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: guys they're already paying because he was on his rookie deal,

856
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: so it's not like they got a lot of room,

857
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: right And once again, a number of the existing guys

858
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: in the cores, their numbers have really balloon this year.

859
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, for example, goes from twelve point five to

860
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: over twenty five million on the cap. JJ Watt was

861
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: four point ninety year ago, fifteen point nine this season.

862
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: When you talk about the cap, Jordan Phillips thirteen million

863
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: dollars right now under the cap that's glaring. You figure

864
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: that's going to be addressed, do you not? You would

865
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: hope The problem with Jordan Phillips's is like you're going

866
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: to carry some dead money if you cut him. But

867
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: you still would save a lot if you cut him

868
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: and you're running out of time to restructure him, and

869
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe the hope would be if you kept Hey.

870
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: The last time he was on the last year of

871
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: his deal, when he was playing for a contract, he

872
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: bawled out, and maybe that's what you might be hoping for.

873
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how that might turn

874
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: out to Kyler Murray's cap number this year is only

875
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars, so yeah, as of right now, he's

876
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: got a super low cap number considering Budda Baker goes

877
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: from basically eight to fifteen and then Roddie Hudson goes

878
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: from three to twelve and a half. So some serious

879
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: jumps from some of the core players on this team

880
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: that you have to account for. And obviously it's gonna,

881
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna and they made those moves and they knew

882
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: those in context of having a quarterback on a rookie contract,

883
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then of course the media rights deals

884
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: are going to kick in over the next two three years.

885
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: So on an NFL salary, captain that's had two hundred

886
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: eight million plus right now is by most projections going

887
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: to be close to three hundred million another two years

888
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: from now, and if that works out that way, then

889
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: then you're in good shape. But the thing is is,

890
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: and Steve I was talking to Steve Kim about this

891
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, the issue you have about the

892
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: cap is you don't know what I mean. It was

893
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: supposed to keep jumping, and then COVID happened, and then

894
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: that just messed everything up, so you don't You can

895
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: kind of guess what it's supposed to do and where

896
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go, but you're never one hundred percent sure.

897
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: And it's not like there's verbiage in these contracts where

898
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: if things go to hell, teams are off the hook.

899
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, you got to figure that out. By the way,

900
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: speaking going back to Justin pu, if the Cardinals would

901
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: have released Justin Pugh they're starting left guard. They have

902
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: gotten all but two million dollars of that money back,

903
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: according to reports, But it would have opened up a

904
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: whole left guard and Justin Pu and healthy played pretty

905
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: darn well last year by most accounts. In fact, I

906
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: was given Justin a hard time because you know, he's

907
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: always talking, he's always bagging on the profile focus folks,

908
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: all Right, how do they know anything about what my

909
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: assignment is an offensive life, how can they grade me? Well,

910
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: he is one of the highest graded pass blockers in

911
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the NFL at left guard last year. I'm like, so, justin,

912
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: where's the rand against Pro football focus these days? You

913
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: know it, kind of give him a hard time about that.

914
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: But he's now set, according to reports, to make a

915
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: guaranteed salary of five and a half million, another one

916
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: point five available and incentives. And that's very doable for reliable,

917
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: above average starting guard in the NFL. Correct at that point,

918
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: at that number, that's well bought by the Arizona Cardinals.

919
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I agree, And I don't think he

920
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: had any guaranteed money in this last year of his deal,

921
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: so he makes sure he's going to be around. Look,

922
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: that's in the grand scheme of things. I'm not going

923
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: to be the one to say that's not a lot

924
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: of money and tell them all that and every the

925
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: player's business. But the fact that these players we've mentioned

926
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: von Kannard restructuring his deal, justin Pugh, there's a lot

927
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: of players around the league who, understandably so, are not

928
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: willing to restructure a deal for cap space. And do

929
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: all that. So I do think it's worth noting like

930
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: this is that's big team player stuff. Willing to do

931
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: that would create cap space so that you can get

932
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: weapons and help your team out a little bit. Well,

933
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: and I just want to clarify because this is one

934
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: of my pet peeves. I'm so sorry. Oh no, what

935
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: did I do? I? Okay, when you restructure a deal

936
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: that means you're getting all your money, you're just getting

937
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: in a different way, right with the pay cut. You

938
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. Okay. So what Devon Knard and

939
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: Justin Pugh did, which is nothing wrong with it, they

940
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: were basically given I don't know this for a fact,

941
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing the thought Bross was like, we can't

942
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: have you at this cap number. This is what we're

943
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: willing to give you. You can take what we're willing

944
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: to give you, or you can be a free agent

945
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: be on the open market. And both of them decided,

946
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: for whatever reasons they had, that it was worth not

947
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: going out on the open market and it was worth

948
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: doing what they did. But in terms of what it's

949
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: called to me, restructuring literally means getting all the money.

950
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Restructuring is if you take your in different ways, signing

951
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: bonus and all that. Yeah, you're taking your signing, but

952
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: you're turning salary into signing bonus or whatever. That's different

953
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: to me because if you restructure, the player is still

954
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: getting every money, all the money that he was originally promised.

955
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: So I thought Justin peute, but I thought the numbers

956
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: unless I was reading one of the reports wrong. I

957
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: thought it was like a million less though, what was

958
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: a million less for the restructuring? So when I thought so,

959
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: he was originally supposed to make a little over eight

960
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: million in salary this year, plus a one million dollars

961
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: roster bonus coming fairly soon, I think now he's making

962
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: five and a half million in salary with one and

963
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: a half in incentives, which he obviously has a chance

964
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: of not getting, so it's less. He's getting less money

965
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: than he was originally supposed to get. Now, again, none

966
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: of that was guaranteed, which is why the roster bonus

967
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: was where it was, and that's why guys have roster

968
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: bonuses in places, because it forces a team to make

969
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: a decision about a contract. But and again I agree,

970
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: I think Justin Peu had a good year last year,

971
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: and I think it would hurt them to lose them,

972
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and I going back to your original point, I do

973
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: think they both deserve props for Bill willing to do this.

974
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Now they have reasons, and who knows, maybe Justin Pugh

975
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know if I'm getting this amount

976
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: of money on the open market. I don't know, or

977
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: maybe I just love living here and my significant other

978
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: loves living here. Devon Kaard is from here. But they

979
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: deserve credit for being willing to do that, because that

980
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: is being a team player when the team is asking

981
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: you to take less money than they had originally promised you.

982
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: And I absolutely believe in if they had said no, no,

983
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, they had every right to do that.

984
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: And I've felt that strongly about that for a long time.

985
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: By the way, reports just coming down Brandon Schurf, the

986
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl right guard for the Washington Commanders There we Go,

987
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: is intending to sign with the Jaguars. So he'd been

988
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: franchise tag each of the last two years. He was

989
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the premier guard on the free agent market and was

990
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: ranked in the top fifteen free agents overall about thirty

991
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: years of age, so boom, he's going to get big money.

992
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: No reports yet on exactly the dollar signs, but you

993
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: know that's so once again, yet another reason that it

994
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: was imperative to get a Justin Pugh get that deal done.

995
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: It's well bought at that number for the Arizona Cardinals.

996
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: And then if and when something materializes at right guard

997
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, there's another veteran. You know. What was

998
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: interesting was last year Brian Winners quit the team. Left

999
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: ostensibly in a half. I don't know after week six,

1000
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and for whatever the reasons were, we'll

1001
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: never know, but look at it wasn't soon after he left.

1002
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: He could have played a prominent role. He might have

1003
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: got all the playing time he desired to hit all

1004
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: those incentives that maybe he thought he needed to earn

1005
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: to make it worthwhile to play in the NFL, and

1006
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: he bolted, and then not long after he could have

1007
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: finished out the season as the starting right guard for

1008
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: all we knew. So who knows what's going to materialize

1009
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: here in the off season exactly? Max Williams, speaking of blocking,

1010
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: can I get a word on Max Williams and does

1011
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: anyone have an expectation? How do you value of Max Williams?

1012
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: Who's have an unbelievable season. But in Week five he

1013
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: goes down season any knee injury. You know, he's that

1014
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: two way tight end. And I've said this before and

1015
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: I'll say it again now that you have zach Ertz

1016
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: to sign the line that has dotted, if you can

1017
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and you can get a Max Williams, that's

1018
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: one thing. No other team in the division has a

1019
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: one two punch at tight end. Yeah, they got George

1020
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Kittle and San Francisco, and they got Tyler Higbee with

1021
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: the Rams. I think he's a free agent by the well,

1022
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: by the way, and he's coming off injury as well.

1023
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: But to have those two tight ends in a two

1024
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: tight end set with a James Connor, I'm envisioning Ron

1025
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: Wolfley in a three point stance right now at that

1026
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: personnel group, right you go out there and you have

1027
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: two tight ends with a James Conner at running back.

1028
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I would look forward to that, and I'm seene based

1029
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: on some of the tweets from Max Williams, he would

1030
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: look forward to coming back to the Cardinals and he's

1031
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: more of that blocker blocking tight end than zach ertzays.

1032
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: I agree it is hard because Max Williams was off

1033
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: to such a great start. You know, had he not

1034
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: gotten injured, Cardinals probably would not have traded for zach Ertz.

1035
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: And now they've told you know, zach Ertz is here

1036
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: for the next three years. But I think you just

1037
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: have to look at the growth overall and then look

1038
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: at those five games at Max Williams playing, and he

1039
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: got high praise from Cliff Kingsbury and the coaching staff

1040
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: throughout those games, and you have to I don't know,

1041
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: I guess how early a deal would come for Max

1042
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: at this point coming off an injury. I mean, did

1043
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: you expect that would be something that would be Darren

1044
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: at the top of free agency or is that something

1045
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: you kind of wait and engage his rehab? Well, I mean,

1046
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: I would think at this point if he's it would

1047
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: depend on what kind of deal it was going to be.

1048
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: But if he understands he's going to have to like

1049
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: rehab himself to get a better contract because he's coming

1050
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: off a major injury and he likes it here and

1051
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, I you, as you say,

1052
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: at the top of free agency, where for a guy

1053
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: like Max Williams, the situation he's in and already being here.

1054
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: That to me is at the end of your own guys,

1055
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: rather than so I would say this U if if

1056
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: he does not sign before like Wednesday, I would think

1057
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: maybe it takes a little time because maybe he's gonna

1058
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: wait to see what else is out there. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not closing the door. I mean, I know all this

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Speaker 1: news is coming out of guys going to other teams

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Speaker 1: in this negotiating but you can't sign yet period or

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Speaker 1: actually agree to deals. I think the actual rules say

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Speaker 1: that you're you're not supposed to even agree to a

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Speaker 1: deal at this point. So it's kind of interesting on

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Speaker 1: all this, But um, I still think there's that window

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Speaker 1: until we get to Wednesday where the Cardinals are going

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Speaker 1: to sign another guy or two maybe as these guys

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Speaker 1: kind of see what their market could or may not be.

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Speaker 1: So say it again, technically, according to the rules here

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Speaker 1: on the opening of the quote negotiating window on Monday,

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Speaker 1: March fourteenth, you're you're not even really supposed to have

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Speaker 1: a structured deal because look at how intricate and complex

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Speaker 1: some of these deals are that have already been reported

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Speaker 1: by obviously nobody's following that rule. I've read this somewhere

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Speaker 1: by rule the an outline of a contract can be discussed,

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Speaker 1: but none can be offered, and no players can make

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Speaker 1: new visits and make visits to a new team. Gotcha? Okay?

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Speaker 1: All right? So but see the thing is is every

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Speaker 1: if every team's doing it, I mean, you're only policing

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Speaker 1: policing yourselves. Okay. As we wrap up this edition to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, I'm looking at the list of Cardinals potential

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Speaker 1: free agents here on the understricted list, twenty one of them.

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Speaker 1: Cult McCoy, James H. Coult McCoy. Have we seen anything,

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Speaker 1: nothing anywhere? I'm Colt McCoy, Nothing insted interesting. I don't

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Speaker 1: know which side that's on of if they've been talking,

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Speaker 1: if someone has interests, if someone doesn't. If you would

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Speaker 1: have asked me at the very beginning of free agency,

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Speaker 1: when the Cardinals could have signed any of their pending

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Speaker 1: free agents, I would have thought he would have been

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Speaker 1: one of the top one. That would have been my preference.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting to me. I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen any other reports anywhere about although I

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Speaker 1: will say this and I did enjoy JJ Watt's tweet

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Speaker 1: earlier today He made the point that if a player

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Speaker 1: and a team want to keep something secret, they can

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Speaker 1: keep a secret. You know, if I don't know who

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Speaker 1: Colt's agent is, But if Colt says I don't want

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Speaker 1: you telling anybody anything, then you don't tell him anything

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Speaker 1: to complaint. And so that doesn't mean Colt McCoy isn't

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Speaker 1: talking to the Cardinals or even talking other places. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that he just wants to make sure his business ain't

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Speaker 1: all out there. I respect that Andy Lee and Aaron

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Speaker 1: Brewer two of your specialists, you're punter and your long snapper.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they were coming back, wouldn't that be

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Speaker 1: done sooner than later? But if they're not around, I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's let's look at it this way. Two the two

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Speaker 1: deals that have been announced, would they have been announced

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Speaker 1: necessarily if they hadn't been leaked? I mean they were

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Speaker 1: agreed Aaron Brewer or Andy Lee if they're coming back,

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Speaker 1: and I would definitely expect Aaron Brewer to be back,

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Speaker 1: and I would think Andy Lee would come back. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna I don't know if that's big news

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Speaker 1: for anybody. They're not here, so they can't sign the deal.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're doing agreed to terms

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Speaker 1: with him or not. I don't know. Again, I think

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Speaker 1: you don't want to jump to too many conclusions with

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Speaker 1: when the team decides to put out news if a

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Speaker 1: guy's resigning. I mean, let's face it, guys, at this point,

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Speaker 1: the Arnal still haven't announced their new defensive line coach.

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Speaker 1: He's been here for like six weeks, that's right. So

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Speaker 1: that's right. You had lunch with them the other day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh no, I made that up. Actually I saw him

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Speaker 1: in the lunch line. Now I did see him in

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Speaker 1: the lunch Yeah, I did too. So what's funny is

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is a good place to leave it.

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Speaker 1: You know this, this whole JJ Watt tweet that came

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Speaker 1: out on the day that the free agent negotiating window open.

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Speaker 1: Unless anyone has anything else to add, maybe we'll just

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Speaker 1: wrap it up with the JJ Watt tweet that reads

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Speaker 1: and I quote what I learned in free agency last

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Speaker 1: year colon rumors, sources and reports can be comically far

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Speaker 1: off base and at times have literally zero truth. There

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Speaker 1: don't have to be leaks. If a team slash player

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Speaker 1: wants to keep things quiet, they can And then in parentheses.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you don't ever trust a Peloton

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Speaker 1: bio as a source of news. JJ Watt, who then

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Speaker 1: added a little bit later in a threat. The passion

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Speaker 1: that fan bases have is incredible and it can switch

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Speaker 1: from love to hate real quick, realism caps if you

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Speaker 1: don't pick their team. Sometimes players tweet random stuff when

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Speaker 1: they're bored, just to see how creative people get. The

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Speaker 1: whole process is fascinating, tweets j J Watt, and maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll leave it there on this free agency addition to

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