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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You Production of iHeartRadio and welcome to you,

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Speaker 1: another classic from the Star Wars universe. For this one,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring back a Fictional Women around the World.

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Speaker 2: We did.

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Speaker 1: It was one of my earlier ones on Doctor Afra,

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Speaker 1: who I remember speculating about it. We speculated about it

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Speaker 1: in that episode. They have not cast, has not appeared

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Speaker 1: in live action yet. Yes, yes, but she is a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite character, and I saw some tweets about the

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Speaker 1: newest comic that she's in She's Got her Own series,

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Speaker 1: that it was one of the most queer comics that's

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Speaker 1: it out. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if anyone's read it,

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Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and

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Speaker 1: Smantha and welcome to stuff I've Never Told You Production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and welcome to a very special edition of

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Speaker 1: Fictional Women Around the World. Our sub segment, segment, segment,

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Speaker 1: subsegment good enough.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and this is a special one because.

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Speaker 1: As you're listening to it, it is May the fourth

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Speaker 1: our Star Wars Day, Happy Star Wars Day.

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Speaker 2: May the fourth be with you? Annie's favorite. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get a lot of messages that day, which I

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I've never really seen it as a thing

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Speaker 2: What is today? And everybody's like, May the fourth be

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Speaker 1: It was like nerds, but you still took home the

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Speaker 1: inflatable lightsaber and the cups.

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Speaker 2: I saw them recently.

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Speaker 3: It's true I did not knowing what I was getting

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Speaker 2: Pre inundated Star Wars times for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Office party also, what a long time ago? Oh that

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess I'm not sure when you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this, so it might not be made the fourth,

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Speaker 1: but when it comes out it is. And so that

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Speaker 1: means we're going to talk about a Star Wars character,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm very excited to talk about this character.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about doctor Chelley Lana Afra or doctor Afra

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Speaker 1: Afra alias Joystick Chevron. Thoughts to that name, yes, as

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Speaker 2: Why that saying.

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Speaker 1: So. Before the pandemic, friends of mine kept telling me

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Speaker 1: Happen that I'll be consumed because I am a completionist.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. If you experienced this, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: There are some characters when I read things that I

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Speaker 1: And it did, but also a lot of unnecessary research

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Speaker 1: So in shorthand, when I'm describing doctor Afra, I usually

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Speaker 2: That is what I picked up. She is a queer

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Speaker 1: And she is an archaeologist alongside her real dark and

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Speaker 1: She's also selfish, reckless, greedy, unpredictable and sometimes straight up yeah,

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Speaker 3: Afra was created for Marvel Star Wars Darth Vader comics

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Speaker 3: Doctor Afra comics, which I guess I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 3: heard of her before now. Emily Zuela voiced her in

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Doctor Afra, an audiobook original by Sarah Coon.

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Speaker 3: Also in twenty twenty, Alissa Wong and Marika Cresta continued

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't checked out the audiobook yet. I didn't

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Speaker 1: And yes, Afra is their last name, so I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: Their new home was attacked by raiders in Afra's mom

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Speaker 1: She went to school for galactic history and acient civilizations,

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Speaker 3: While there are several instances Afra being morally ambiguous obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, you know. She does a

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, she after does go back and forth

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Speaker 3: Yes she is, and she will gladly do. So you

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Speaker 3: know who I think she'd play this character, and she

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