1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph's gotten More. I have two favorite trees, 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: the two separate species. The first one that I absolutely 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: love arises out of my childhood experiences and being from Louisiana, 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: I think that I'd be shunned from fellow population of 5 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Louisiana if I didn't name it, and it's Liva. The 6 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: reason I love the livoak is that, well, first off, 7 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: they're so old, the biles as they say, of the 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: tree stretched down into the earth. I remember climbing on 9 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: trees at the City Park in New Orleans when I 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: was little. The beauty of the Spanish moss kind of 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: waving back and forth when it seems like there's no 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: other air stirring. You can pick up on it with 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: the Spanish miles hanging down, and they provide comfort and 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: shade during those horrible, horrible hot summer days in South Louisiana. Now. Conversely, 15 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: my other favorite tree are mountain hemlocks. And I know 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: the association with hemlock, you know, brings back horrible things 17 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: like hemlock tea and that we won't discuss at this 18 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: point in time. But the beauty of a hemlock in 19 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: the mountains growing up adjacent to the bank of a 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: rushing stream in the mountains. There's something about it, and 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: you'd see them cluster together. I lived in the Blue 22 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Ridge for a time teaching college. But the thing that 23 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: these two trees do have in common, other than you know, 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: a root system and being you know, tall and majestic, 25 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: is that, like all other trees, they tell a story. 26 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: You can see perhaps where storms flew through and cracked 27 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: off limbs. You can see where maybe a branch started 28 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: to grow, but yet it was muted for some reason. 29 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: You can see evidence of disease, you can see evidence 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: of new life when you get into the core of 31 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: the tree, though it tells a much larger and broader story. Well, 32 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, human bodies are that way, and today we're 33 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about one particular body, the body of 34 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: a small child, the body of a baby, a body that, 35 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: when thoroughly examined, showed evidence of things so horrific that 36 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to take the measure. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: and this is body backs. My grandfather had an old 38 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Chevy pickup truck that I think he probably loved more 39 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: than life, because he pulled his horse trailers with it 40 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: and he took care of it. And he had a 41 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: drunk cousin, first cousin that showed up at his house 42 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: begging for forgiveness for something that he had wronged my 43 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: grandfather over. And it was cold outside, and he went 44 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: into the house because the windshield was frozen up on 45 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: my grandfather's truck and got a pot of boiling water 46 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: and poured it on my grandfather's windshield underneath that tree. 47 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: And you know what happened. The windshield shattered into a 48 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: million pieces. I think the curses that issued force from 49 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: my grandfather back in the late sixties are still hanging 50 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: in the limbs of that tree, more than likely. And 51 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, you have those you have those moments, you know, 52 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: I think in family life where you remember, you remember 53 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: these events. And for me, trees have always been special 54 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: in that way. They hold on to them in an 55 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: interesting way. But some families never truly get a chance 56 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: to get off of the ground, and they don't really 57 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: tell a story like I've had the chance to live through. 58 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the only tale that they 59 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: tell is something that's just wrapped up in pure horror. 60 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: And for us, unfortunately, Dave here on body backs that's 61 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: what we're faced with today. 62 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: You know, the one thing that it really frustrates me 63 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: to the point of of just I'm tired of people 64 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: hurting their children and ending up in court and having 65 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: family members stand up and defend the adult that hurt 66 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: the child. And I'm tired of it because if you're 67 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: that involved and engaged in the family, that you know 68 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: what's going on and you in this case today, we 69 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: are talking about a six month old boy who was 70 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: beaten to death by his father, and when police went 71 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: to look in the home, they were hit with the 72 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: smell of urine and feces and roaches everywhere, trash everywhere, 73 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: roaches climbing out of the kitchen cabinets and things like that. 74 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: And just from that alone, the conditions like that, and 75 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: it's worse. We'll get into that, But that alone is 76 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: not how you raise children. That's not how you show 77 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: love to children. You know, you can be poor, you 78 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: don't have to be dirty, you can be anything you 79 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: want to be. But if you're going to have children, 80 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: you have to raise them in a safe environment. And 81 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: that means throwing out the trash, that means making sure 82 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: that they have a safe place to sleep, a safe 83 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: place to live. You've got a house here that the 84 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: crib of this six month old only had three sides 85 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: to it. The mattress was two inches from the wall, 86 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: and within reaching distance of a child was an electrical 87 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: socklet without the face plate. Just you had the socket 88 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: bear hanging there, you know. And that's the type of 89 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: thing that I think about when a mother tries to 90 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: defend her son who has been convicted, you know, of 91 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: doing untold damage to a child. 92 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. It is. It is amazing. Uh, 93 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: the level of h I don't know. I think the 94 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: level of latitude that family members give themselves in their 95 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: brains to defend quote unquote uh. This this ad the 96 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: actions of an individual instead of you know, saying, look 97 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: at you got to you gotta take your medicine. You 98 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: got to take what's coming and responsibility for this precious 99 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: little life. And I want to kind of pause for 100 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: a moment on this idea that she talked about, the 101 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: crib with the absent rail. You know, brother Dave, I've 102 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: actually worked a case involving a partially assembled crib that 103 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: was missing the long rail, the side rail, if you will, 104 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: of the crib because the mother claimed that even though 105 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: United Way provided the crib to her, they didn't give 106 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: her enough screws, so she just pushed it against the wall. 107 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: And while she was out with her boyfriend and she 108 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: had left her let me get this straight. Her six 109 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: month old under the care of an eight year old 110 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: and a five year old while she went out with 111 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and smoked crack. The baby got twisted up 112 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: in an afghan blanket that was in the crib and 113 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: inverted in between the mattress and the wall and died 114 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: of positional asphyxia. This is damn dangerous, if you know, 115 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm pleading with you, if you know of 116 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: anybody that's out there that has a crib that's in 117 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: this condition. I'm not one of these big, you know, 118 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: kind of Ralph Nader product safety people. I don't go 119 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: on and on them, but when it comes to babies, 120 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: you should have the good common sense to know that 121 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: this is incompatible with life, because in literally the twinkling 122 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: of an eye, you're talking about tragedy here. And you 123 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: know you had mentioned that there was an uncovered electrical 124 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: socket that's immediately adjacent to the bed. How can you 125 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: not understand the gravity, and I don't care. I don't 126 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: care if you if you're affected chemically some way in 127 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: your life, I don't care. What kind of trauma you've 128 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: had as a child makes no difference to me. You're 129 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: in the big leagues now, You're charged with taking care 130 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: of a precious little angel, and you failed miserably. And 131 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, this is demonstrative of what 132 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: finally happens. And here's another interesting side note. Even though David, 133 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: I find this quite fascinating, you have pointed this out 134 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: to me that even though we have a conviction in 135 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: this case, you have pointed out that the courts, the 136 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: prosecutor has chosen not to name the child. This child 137 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: is simply known by baby Boy for me, and I'm 138 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: sure the name is known to someone out there. That 139 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: is arguably, and I'm talking to the courts now and 140 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: to the prosecutor, that is arguably one of the most dismissive, 141 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: horrible things that you can do, because this child deserves 142 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: to be named. This child deserves to have an identity 143 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: of their own, because this child's life had value, Dave, 144 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: it had value, and right now they've not released the name. 145 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: You know the thing that really, I mean, there are 146 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: a lot of things that bother me about all of this, obviously, 147 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: as it does anybody listening. But when you, I wondered, 148 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: how come, you know, why do we avoid naming? You know, 149 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: a child who is six months old could not care 150 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: for themselves in any way, shape or form. Who are 151 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: we protecting in not naming said child? It almost it 152 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: does devalue the life. If you don't give the child 153 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: a name, I end up referring to it as it 154 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: or the baby. 155 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's horribly dismissive. As a matter of fact, 156 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: I would just as soon not know this individual's name 157 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: that did this, and that this subject be jammed down 158 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: into a hole with his name always forgotten, and a 159 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: stone monument be made to this baby somewhere and plastered 160 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: on billboards. This child died at the hand of a parent, 161 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: and this is the name because for me, that child's 162 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: life had value. And you know, I guess that some 163 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: people will say that, well, you know, Shane Hedrick, who's 164 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: the father, Well his life has value too, really, okay, Well, 165 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: in my economy, in my economy, I'm a bit more 166 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: concerned about the identity of the child than a convicted 167 00:11:45,960 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: child killer. I got a call many years ago sitting 168 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: at my desk at the Medical Examiner's office in Atlanta, 169 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: and it was one of those calls where it came 170 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: in from the emergency room. I'll never forget it at 171 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: Grady Hospital, Big the big public hospital in Atlanta. I said, 172 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: we've we've got a child that has choked to death. 173 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, okay, I'd had other cases 174 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: like that. But then they went on to tell me 175 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: that the child had choked to death on the carcass 176 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: of a German cockroach. And first off I had I said, 177 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: can you please repeat that? And they said, yeah, the 178 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: child was found uh syonaudic, not breathing. Uh cyanosis is 179 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: uh condition that you can see with skin turning blue, 180 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And when the EMTs at the 181 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: scene valiantly attempted to start an airway, they tore up 182 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: the thorax of the German cockroach. So when we finally 183 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: got that little baby's body into the Morgan, we did 184 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: the neck dissection. You could see the little arms and 185 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the legs of the cockroaches down the trachea, and it 186 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: was one of the most horrible things and this demanded 187 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: on my part that I would go out and take 188 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: a look at the crime scene or the death scene 189 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: where this had occurred. And Dave, I got out to 190 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: that scene. I'll never forget. It was in the Perry 191 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Housing Project, which no longer exists. It was one of 192 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: the largest housing projects in the nation and one of 193 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: the oldest. And I had like eight people that were 194 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: living in this two bedroom dwelling and the place was 195 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: actually very clean. There were not piles of clothes laying around. 196 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: They were hung well ordered in. An old gentleman who 197 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: lived there that was kind of the the father of 198 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: the two women that had children. He said, Sari, he says, 199 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: we're clean people. We try to keep up in our home. 200 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: You're welcome to look around, he says, But I got 201 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: something I want to show you. And he said, step 202 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: up here on this chair and take your flashlight and 203 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: look up in the ceiling. And I had a big 204 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: old mag light, gigantic, you know, chargeable flashlight. And there 205 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: was a hole in the ceiling that was about two 206 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: feet by one foot if you can imagine this in 207 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: a popcorn ceiling. Up in the whole Dave, and there 208 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: were millions of cockroaches, and he said, I've tried to 209 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: poison them. I've tried to do everything I can. I've 210 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: gone to the Atlanta Housing Authority and they won't do nothing. 211 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: He said, my baby's getting bit in here. He said, 212 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: I've asked to move. They won't move us. And Dave, 213 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: I went and tried to get an audience with the 214 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: head of the house in authority at that point in time, 215 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: and they turned me away. But guess what, I did 216 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: get a call from their counsel, from their attorneys, and 217 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: I often wonder whatever happened to that family. See, it's 218 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily the people that inhabit a place that make 219 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: it unkempt. It's the circumstances lots of times and some 220 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: people they don't have wave around it. But Dave, in 221 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: the case of this precious little angel, and where this 222 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: child was domiciled, this was a choice, it was This 223 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: was a choice. It was made by this child's parents. 224 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: Day when I looked at the you know, after the well, 225 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: let's start with where the police are called. Okay, A 226 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: nine one one call comes in from Shane Hedrick, the father. 227 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: Now he claims that he woke up about nine thirty 228 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: and went to check on his son and found him unresponsive. Okay, 229 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: that's the call to nine one one, and that the 230 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: nine one one dispatch actually talked to him about how 231 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: to do CPR on the child, a six month old 232 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: baby boy, and that's what he did until first responders 233 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: could arrive. That's the story we got. Woke up unresponsive, 234 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: that's all I know, okay, which is always a bit 235 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: of a push, you know. Really, you woke up, found 236 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: your child unresponsive, and that's all you know, okay. And 237 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: so after they talked to him. By the way, the 238 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: mother of the child was not home at the time, 239 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: and I don't know what I believe about the story 240 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: being told, and it really doesn't matter, but she was 241 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 2: not home at the time that officers arrived on the 242 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: scene at nine point thirty in the morning. Okay. When 243 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 2: they get Shane Hendrick back to the sheriff's office and 244 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: begin the interviewing process, they also file for a search warrant, 245 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: and neither one of us as lawyers, we've been around 246 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: crime related programming for a long time, and we know 247 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: that the value of seeing the entire situation as it 248 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: exists as close to the time of the in this case, 249 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: death is paramount to find out what really happened. 250 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, it is. And I've had cases day where 251 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: families have taken children into the hospital, okay, like mom 252 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: and dad have taken the kids, taking a child to 253 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: an emergency room after they've been found. And this is 254 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: even in cases of SIDS or suspected SIDS, which this 255 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: child falls within those parameters. We're talking about six month 256 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: old SIDS. Most of the time you're looking at about 257 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: two months to about ten months. So if you get 258 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: up above that ten month marker, you can still consider SIDS, 259 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: but you're still kind of scratching your head over it. 260 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're thinking, well, what are the other possibilities 261 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: because most of those deaths fall within those parameters, And 262 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: we still to this day don't know what actually causes 263 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: SIDS but the sudden infant death syndrome. But I've had 264 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: cases day. One particularly comes to mind where the parents 265 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: of the child that was found unresponsive at home called 266 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: a friend who immediately came to their home and clean 267 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: the house. Because when I showed up to do what 268 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: we refer to as a retro scene investigation, that means 269 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: the body is not there, but I have to go. 270 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: I want to look in the cupboards. I want to 271 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: see if there's food. I want to see the level 272 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: of cleanliness or lack thereof. Play smell like pine saw. 273 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: It smelled like it smelled like what the Army Barrick 274 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: smelled like. When I went through basic training the Army, 275 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: it always smelled a pine saw And you could still 276 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: see kind of those wet mop marks on the floor. 277 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: That's how quickly that I had gotten out there. And 278 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: so right you are in this idea of you, it's 279 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: impossible to assess, you know. I always like to use 280 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: the term a life that has been lived in a 281 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: space without physically going out to the space. It's demanded 282 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: of you as an investigator. That's one of the things 283 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: that we require happen in medical legal death investigation because 284 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: we have to contextualize everything and if I don't, if 285 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I can't grasp that, particularly with a small child, where 286 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: you're not going to have a bunch of history. You know, 287 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: when we're when we're up in age, we've got all 288 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: of this life history, medical history, how we eat, how 289 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: what our common practices are. Do we kick our shoes 290 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: off when we walk to the door, or do we 291 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: put our running shoes on when we walk through the door. 292 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, what do we do? You know at the 293 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: end of the day, how do we live our life? 294 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: How do we sleep? Are there drugs in the house? 295 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: And I don't just mean he listed drugs. You know, 296 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: are their medications that sort of thing. But with babies, 297 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: with children, you don't have that, So you have to 298 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: go out and the visualize it. I recommend that every 299 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: scene be visited, if possible, for all practitioners in my 300 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: particular field, so that you can paint the picture of 301 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: what happened, because you don't know, you weren't there to 302 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: witness it, and so yes. 303 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: It's telling you their version of events. 304 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: And I'm as much as I'm interested in hearing that, 305 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: I want to be able to objectively look at the 306 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: scene and make my own conclusion or make my notes. 307 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: Not necessarily a conclusion, but there's certain inferences that I 308 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: can draw based upon what I'm physically seeing. Manifested it's scene, 309 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: I can also go back out and if I have 310 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: further questions, I can say to say a family member. 311 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: And by the way, this is one of the toughest 312 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: things that you have to do. I always hated do 313 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: into some SIDS cases because there is this fear that 314 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: rises up in parents. Parents are terrified anyway, and when 315 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: somebody with a badge shows up and they start talking 316 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: to you, you're terrified. You know, it might make you 317 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: react in a way that you don't necessarily would commonly react. 318 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: But when you start to talk to families, you have 319 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: to get things straight because the sooner we can get 320 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: it straight, the center we can conclude our inquiry. In 321 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: this particular case, Dave, Oh my god, what the police 322 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: found when they got out to this home. I think 323 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: that it would make the most i don't know, the 324 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: most deplorable, degraded among us blush. It would make people 325 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: on skid Row in La blush based upon what the 326 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: police saw when they walked into this home. 327 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: You know, while they took Shane Hedrick, the father who 328 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: had made the nine one one call, and by the way, 329 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 2: just over clear, the six month old baby boy was 330 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: declared dead at the Seine, you know, he was already dead, 331 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: and so they took father into the sheriff's office to 332 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: interview him. But they got the search warrant and went 333 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: back to the home. And what they found when they 334 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: entered the home I'm going right off the actual report 335 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: from the police officers. Okay, the Sheriff's department that went in. 336 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: There was a strong odor of animal feces upon entering 337 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: the home, a strong odor of animal feces. Roaches were 338 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: visible inside and outside the kitchen cabinets, dirty laundry stacked 339 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: in the hallway, multiple holes in the floor and ceiling, 340 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: windows boarded up with plywood electrical outlet missing cover near 341 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 2: children's bed. Here's the other one. Mold visible on the 342 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: baby's mattress. The crib had only three sides and there 343 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: was a two inch gap between the mattress and the wall. Now, 344 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: most of us are familiar with the mattress used in 345 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: a crib. They have a plastic type of a covering 346 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: because there's going to be urine and feces from the 347 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: baby on that and then he's. 348 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: Been wiped up. 349 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's been up, yeah, in that way. You know, 350 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: you put a you have a sheet, the fitted sheet 351 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: that goes over it, and usually you have other blankets 352 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: and things like that. But it is that kind of slippery, 353 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: you know, thing you can wipe off. So what it 354 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: would take to create mold in that situation on that time. 355 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: It was never cleaned. It had to have never been 356 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: wiped off. It had to have been just sitting getting 357 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: dirty and never I mean, it boggles my mind. What 358 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: it would take to get mold on that on a 359 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: crib mattress, I can't imagine. But that's what they saw 360 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: and that's what they reported. Now everything about the investigation 361 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: is based on, well, it starts with what the reporter, 362 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: you know, you've pointed as the finder, what they say 363 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 2: in their initial call to nine to one one and 364 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: their initial call talk to police, and so they now 365 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: have Shane Hendrick, the father is at the sheriff department 366 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: while they're walking the house and they see the condition 367 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: of the home. The mother of the child was not 368 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: home at the time that nine to one one was called, 369 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: so she's not on site when this is going on. 370 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: And when they get Headrick, you know, to the Sheriff's 371 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: office and start interviewing him. It's interesting, but I want 372 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: to go to the home right now. Joe. Walking into 373 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: that environment I mentioned at the very beginning, A lot 374 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: of us have been poor. It doesn't take a whole 375 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: lot to be poor, but it doesn't take much to 376 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: live in a clean environment. To wipe things up, to 377 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: put trash in the proper receptacle, and to make it livable, 378 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: especially if you have small children, to make the home safe. Look, 379 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: if you got a boarded up window because you can't 380 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 2: afford the go I got you no problem. I don't 381 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: really have a problem with that, as long as there's 382 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: an exit route and that you have a plan to 383 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: get it fixed at some point. Being involved in a 384 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: number of different ministries and churches over my adult life, 385 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't know a church that would turn somebody away 386 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: that needed help with something like that. With small children 387 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: in the home, regardless of how they are and who 388 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: they are. That's just a different discussion for a different day. 389 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: But you walk into this environment, Joe, what are you 390 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: thinking as a legal death investigator? 391 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking of the first thing, if it is 392 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: the way it has been painted in these in the 393 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: official report, I'm thinking that this environment is so degraded 394 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: relative to what is within the acceptable parameters for normal living, 395 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: and there is a baseline norm. Just so that everybody 396 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: understands that, you know, I take exception with people that say, well, 397 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: there's your reality and there's my reality. No, the reality 398 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: is is that you have to provide a clean environment 399 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: for a baby. This baby cannot provide for themselves. In 400 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: order for the baby to thrive, you have to have 401 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: a clean environment because you can have all things, you know, 402 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: like just the cockroaches themselves. You were talking about how 403 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: they observe these holes in the floor and you know 404 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the walls. You know, that's that's not the end of 405 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: it either, because you know, one of the things I'm 406 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: thinking is that not only I don't know that people understand, 407 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: but not only do ants bite, which I've had bodies 408 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: that have ant bites all over them, cockroaches bite as well. 409 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't think that people understand that they do bite. 410 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: I've had, you know, multiple cases of child abuse where 411 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: I've had cockroach bites on the surface of the skins. 412 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: And in addition to that, you know what else comes 413 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: up through the floor, rats, vermin like that. So anything 414 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: can get into this environment and where there is any 415 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of biloge elements that are left lying around, whether 416 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: it be animal feces like dogs or cats, even or 417 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: if we're talking about food stuffs that are left out, 418 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: these rats are hungry. Well, it's like ringing the dinner 419 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: bell for anybody that's in the house, and and you're 420 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: observing all this, and you're trying to take the measure 421 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: of what you're seeing because you know, just one of 422 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: these things alone. If we're just talking about we've got 423 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: a deceased child, and we walk in and we see 424 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: a mattress that is covered in mold, I'm going to 425 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: have questions because you're talking about respiratory issues you know 426 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: that can develop with a child. Because even if the 427 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: child was not traumatized anyway, and you had a case 428 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: of what is suspected to be SIDS. Do you know 429 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: what most parents say that you interview when you suspected 430 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: their SIDS because the parent, it just happens, obviously, as 431 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: the name states, Sudden infant death syndrome. Consistently, I've had 432 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: parents over the year say, well, my baby had a 433 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: little cold, and they always describe it that way. That 434 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: means that you've got mucus coming out of the nose, 435 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Well, I'm trying to correlate as 436 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: a medical legal death investigator with a little cold, But 437 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: yet I see on the mattress that you've got mold 438 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: growing there. Well, I'm thinking you can have any number 439 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: of respiratory infections that are rooted in the growth of mold. 440 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: All right, And that's just one thing we're talking about here. 441 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: We're not talking about the rest of the filth that's 442 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: around the place. And it is, to say the very least, 443 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: it's troubling. The investigators that work the scene would have 444 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: spent hours just cataloging everything and listing what they were seeing. 445 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: And that's what you know. I use the term a lot. 446 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: You can't take the measure of things when you look 447 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: about at a scene and you begin to try to 448 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: consider what kind of life was lived by the parents, 449 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and also the life that was lived by the child, 450 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: or that the child was subjected to. It's kind of 451 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: like pick your cause of death, but in this case, Dave, 452 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: we have a very very specific cause of death. Got 453 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: a question for you, Dave. Have you ever had something 454 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: occur in your life where you wish that you could 455 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: just throw it into the sea of forgetfulness, where you 456 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: could just black out as it were, and that you 457 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: would have no memory of it. You know, things that 458 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: are so horrible. I don't know about you. I have, 459 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: and I think that most of us that have been 460 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: in this world you have those moments in tom where 461 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,239 Speaker 1: you could you would love to forget. But isn't it 462 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: amazing there's a thread that runs through so many things. 463 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: With many suspects. They have these moments where they black out, and. 464 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, how you can remember what happened? 465 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know how convenient. And in this case, 466 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: Shane Hedrick has you know, he's planted his flag here 467 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: and the whole blackout thing. You know, yeah, I blackout 468 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: when I get angry. 469 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, okay, I get you, you want to 470 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: make that claim. But when when we're sitting here looking 471 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: at this and going okay, Shane Hendrick has already said 472 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: what happened. I woke up, found the baby unresponsive, called 473 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: nine one one. He's locked into that. So when they 474 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: get him downtown or to the sheriff's office rather, they 475 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: start talking to him and he starts talking. And if 476 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: you've ever been through an interview with police, they know 477 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: what they're doing. They have a pretty good BS detector, 478 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: most of them do, and they know that this isn't true. 479 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: They also know the condition of the trailer. You know, 480 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: in this particular case, they know what they're looking at. 481 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: They don't know exactly what happened, and there's no video, 482 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: there's no audio, there's no witness, apparently, so the detective's 483 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: responsibility is to get the truth out of this, and 484 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: they start with that I woke up, he was unresponsive. 485 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: That's all I know. If you watch Breaking Bad, That's 486 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: what Jesse was told to say to police when his 487 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: girlfriend overdosed and died in bed with him. I woke up, 488 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: she was dead. I called you. That's all I know. 489 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: And that's what Hedrick starts with. But they get him 490 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: downtown or get him to the office, and now he 491 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: tells detectives, well, I have a tendency to black out 492 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: when I get stressed out or angry. He then says 493 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: that he became angry, so he's already loading up. I 494 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: blacked out because I got angry. But who did he 495 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: get angry at last night or early this morning. It 496 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: was my wife, Loreena, and nance I got mad at 497 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: her because she was leaving to be with another man, 498 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: according to him. Hedrick then admits that he became angry 499 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: at the six month old baby because the baby was crying. 500 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: Six month old babies cry for a number of reasons, 501 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: and that caused him to be angry. So he's angry 502 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: that he claims his wife is out with another man, 503 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: and he's mad because the baby is crying and won't stop. Now, 504 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: Hedrick admits he struck his son while he was blacked out. Now, Joe, 505 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I'm thinking if you're 506 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: blacked out, you wouldn't know what you did or did 507 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: not do. Correct if you're. 508 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: Blacked out, Yeah, if you're blacked out, Uh yeah, how 509 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: do you come to that conclusion that you actually struck 510 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: struck somebody and a six month old. You can hear 511 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: all things. You can hear that, yeah, exactly, you can. 512 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Actually I don't know if it's possible to hear an 513 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: eye roll, but I would think that that would be 514 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: one of the loudest eye rolls ever. H And you know, 515 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: you can you can actually hear this. It's amazing to 516 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: me that someone would this is going to be your 517 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: and maybe it is. It's it's kind of your you know, 518 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: your your last resort at this point in time that 519 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: you're going to put this forward. But what's I think 520 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: what was so very troubling to me, Dave, is what 521 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: the people in the medical legal community found with this baby. 522 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: When the baby was finally examined, where they're going to 523 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: do their assessment and decide, you know, on a manner 524 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: and cause of death. I got to tell you, I 525 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: don't think it's any grand mystery here to talk about 526 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: what the manner of death is going to be. And 527 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: I'll plainly state it because there's been a conviction in 528 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: this case and it's a homicide. 529 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 2: We know he is admitted to striking his six month 530 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: old baby boy because he was angry, but he blanked out. 531 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: Now I have to ask you, because I've always thought 532 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: that babies, as their bones are growing and that they're 533 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: not hard like they do as we get older, that 534 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: it is difficult to break a baby's a bone in 535 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: the baby. Is that correct? 536 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: It's no, you're easier. You're absolutely right. It's very difficult 537 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: because their bones are still very pliable. They you know, 538 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: our bones, over a period of time, they they ossify 539 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: and you know, you they become more rigid. When a 540 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: baby is, you know, six months old, six months old, 541 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: you still literally, you know, have the font nails in 542 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: the skull that you can appreciate, you know, the soft spots. 543 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: You know, you've got an antire you've got post here. 544 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: You've also got some on the lateral. People only think 545 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: of one where the skull is still very very soft, 546 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: and it it would it requires and I'm not going 547 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: to go into a lot of ghastly detail based upon 548 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: some things I've seen in the morgue, but it requires 549 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: such a tremendous amount of force in order to quote 550 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: unquote fracture these non calcified elements you know, you know, 551 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: in the skull or any bone on the body. You 552 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: have to you have to show up with an incredible 553 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: amount of force and anger that would be fueling it 554 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: in order for this to happen. I'm not saying that. 555 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you could not kill a baby 556 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: with a single strike, because that's possible, but Dave just 557 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: goes beyond that. We're talking about fractures that have occurred, 558 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: which means, in my estimation, you're probably talking about multiple strikes. 559 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: And that's an indication of somebody that has no self control. 560 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: I think to a great degree, I was just reflecting 561 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: just a second ago, and forgive me for you know, 562 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: kind of I don't think I'm digressing, but for me, 563 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, as a father and a grandfather, I think 564 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: back to my children being six months old, and it's 565 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: one of the sweetest ages. They're completely dependent upon you. 566 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: And I still have the rocker in my house where 567 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: I held my children and fed them and rock back 568 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: and forth even in the wee hours at you know, 569 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning. My wife certainly did more 570 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: than I ever did. But I remember those times and 571 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: how precious and how fragile that life is. And you know, 572 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: when you're a dad and a grandpa, you begin to 573 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: think about how fragile life is. I think more so 574 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: when you're older. But you know, you're suddenly struck with this, 575 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: this parental thing, and I know that you encountered this 576 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: when you're looking down at that baby and you're thinking, oh, 577 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: my lord, this being is totally depended upon the actions 578 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 1: that I I'm going to take at this moment time, 579 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: and it's such a sweetness that's there, and you look 580 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: and you think, how in the world could anybody destroy this? 581 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: How are you capable of doing this? And I think 582 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: that many times you'll have in cases like this, you'll 583 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: have defense attorneys that try to use that to their advantage, 584 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: because it's always it's always the cases that are most 585 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: ghastly to me. It is where defense counsel will take 586 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: the horrific nature of these cases and say, certainly, no 587 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: one within their right mind could have done this to 588 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: another living creature, how much more so would their own child. 589 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: There has to be some other pathology at work here. 590 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. I'm not buying that in this case. 591 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm buying that as the court has determined that this individual, 592 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: of their own free will chose to do this, I 593 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: have no idea about the motivations the individual have. I 594 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: don't really care because I know at the end of 595 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: the day, I still have a baby that is nameless, 596 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: that it's gone forever and ever. That we've been robbed 597 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: of this child, A child has been robbed of their life, Dave. 598 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: And there are cases like this and we cover them, 599 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: and it seems like every single time we do, I 600 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: feel like I need to drink after I do it, 601 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: because it just it churns up. You know, this, this 602 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: level of anger that I think most of us, most 603 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: of us would would think that. You know, and I'm 604 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: not dismissing people that aren't parents, but when you're a 605 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: parent and you're a grandparent and you see this you know, 606 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: I have so many of these times. I'll look at 607 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: Kimmy and I'll say to her, no questions asked, just 608 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: bring the child to us. Well, you know, don't don't 609 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: rip this child to shreds, don't kill this child, whatever 610 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: you do, because that life is so precious, Dave. 611 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 2: I was always so petrified of the south spots of 612 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: this called. Of course, I'll know the big one, but 613 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 2: there are the others that you just mentioned, and I 614 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 2: was always petrified of that. 615 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: Always. 616 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 2: I never got over it. And even with my grandson Brelan, 617 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm so thankful that Hannah allowed me to be a 618 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: very big part of him when he was a baby, 619 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 2: of rocking him and holding him and loving on him 620 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 2: because I was a little less afraid because you know, 621 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,479 Speaker 2: I had raised children and so I had a little 622 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 2: more confidence in my ability to hold a child. But 623 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 2: I will tell you there were times sitting there when 624 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 2: he was six months old and I was loving on 625 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 2: him and just kissing his little soft head. And I 626 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 2: think about that, and I think of how dependent, how precious, 627 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 2: and how fearful I was that I was going to 628 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: do something that could harm this child, you know, accidentally 629 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 2: just holding him wrong. You know, that was a fear 630 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 2: factor and I'm thinking, what would it take. What kind 631 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 2: of a human being could grow to adult age and 632 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 2: be able to break the skull of a six month 633 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 2: old baby boy? And that's what we found out that 634 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: according to uh met it for the forensic pathologist James 635 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 2: Jacoby Joe, you're going to have to explain what he 636 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 2: found because it goes beyond the pale of one one strike. 637 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 2: Any child six months old deserves to be struck, period, 638 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 2: not even Spain. They don't know what's going on, you know. 639 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: They don't, They have no Yeah, and there's nothing that 640 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: you're going to do that's going to stop them from 641 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: crying other than attempting to sue them in a loving, compassionate, parental, true, 642 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: truly parental way, you know, those things that we want 643 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: to demonstrate to our children. How much more so with 644 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: the weakest among among the children, you know, the most vulnerable. 645 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, let me kind of paint this picture for you, Dave, 646 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: and understand that this precious little six month old let 647 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: me say that six month old little baby boy didn't 648 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: have one, but two distinct fractures and their skull in 649 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: his skull and in addition to that, this child had 650 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: a focal area of hemorrhage in their spinal cord, which 651 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: means that there would have been a strike posteriorly to 652 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: the spine as well that would have generated kind of 653 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: that kind of insult or injury. So you've got a 654 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: lot that's going on here. The beauty of what the 655 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: medical examiner did in this particular case is that and 656 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: doctor Jacobe was right in doing this. And I applaud 657 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: I applaud any member of the medical legal community that 658 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: does consults that brings in consultancy, because it's through the consultancy, 659 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: and that's when of the reasons I started this episode 660 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: off talking about trees, it was through this consultancy that 661 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: they obtain the services of a radiologist. And there are 662 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: a group of people out there that are radiologists, and 663 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: that's folks that read X rays. If you get a 664 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: broken bone, it's going to be the radiologists that will 665 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: take a look. And there are people in radiology that 666 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: are actually forensic radiologists. They consult on cases that can 667 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: consult on the living. We actually perform in forensics. We 668 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: do living forensics as well, and many times forensic pathologists 669 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: will be consulted on living victims. And there's also a 670 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: group of people called forensic radiologists that can be brought 671 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: in and consult. They consult on the living as well, 672 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: and they consult on the deceased. And in this case, 673 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: the forensic radiologists had a big reveal here, Dave, As 674 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: we have stated, this unknow aimed precious little angel who 675 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: is six months old, demonstrated per per the X rays 676 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: that were taken that this little angel had sustained a 677 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: month earlier a fracture in the right forearm let that 678 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: sink in just for a second the right forearm one 679 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: month earlier. This baby had been living with the pain 680 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: of that before he was viciously attacked for simply crying, 681 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: for simply desiring comfort. For a month prior to this, 682 00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: this child had dealt with this anguish, this unresolved healing injury. 683 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: That the radiologist said that there was evidence that it 684 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: was trying to heal on its own but had remained untreated. Well, 685 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: no wonder the child was crying. What else was the 686 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: child absent? Was it absent food? Was it absent a 687 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: warm blanket? Was it absent the soothing touch of a 688 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: parent that loved them. God rest this little unnamed child's soul, 689 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,240 Speaker 1: and God blessed those that go out and bear witness 690 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: to the most horrific things that most of us can't 691 00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: even possibly imagine in our worst nightmares. I'm Joseph Scott 692 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: Morgan and this is Body Backs h