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Speaker 3: First person that got me, Nick van Nexwell. In practice,

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Speaker 3: Nick the Quick was getting me in practice, and you

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Speaker 3: know you kept saying you reach, I ta, you reach,

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Speaker 3: stuff and drove me crazy. My first my first time

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Speaker 1: I got a chance played with him in Portland and

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Speaker 2: Like next level. He was cracking. You had those big

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Speaker 3: It took me about a good week to figure out

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 4: Season two kicking off, y'all know we came with it

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Speaker 4: this time.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: We got the Mamba mentality. We here on location in

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Speaker 4: the back Cave live from Black Bruce Wayne Manner. We

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Speaker 4: got the Mamba mentality. I got the blackest one with me.

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Speaker 4: My man came through the show major love Man. We

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Speaker 4: got Kobee with us.

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Speaker 2: Man check us out. It's your boys.

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Speaker 3: Q Rich and d Mails Challenge on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Season two and how were thinking of what we do

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Speaker 1: like it, just like, how did y'all come up with that?

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Speaker 2: You want this thing on well well scripted. We kind

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Speaker 2: of just get into it. You want winning with just

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Speaker 2: one star player? This dude have my shoes on, right?

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Speaker 2: He just talking hot man.

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Speaker 3: We were just young and wanted to prove ourselves and

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Speaker 3: you were in the way.

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Speaker 2: I took a million dollars. Bro on the bed, bro

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Speaker 2: Caro cass. You can't help a millionaire late. You already

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Speaker 2: know why we like this is nice? Man bought me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great held, great hild You.

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Speaker 1: Feel Lakers, Magic Johns. You grew up on Magic Johnson

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Speaker 1: and you got drafted to Charlotte And what was your

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Speaker 2: Then you hear the Lakers?

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Speaker 3: Well, like I knew what was going on. I knew

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Speaker 2: Got good representation, you know, right, So you know, you

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Speaker 3: You get drafted, get on the phone with the GM,

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Speaker 3: I get on the phone with the Charlotte GM and

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Speaker 3: he just tells me, hey, you know, you know what's

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Speaker 3: it's a good thing with trading because you couldn't have

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Speaker 3: So I was already I was already triggered, and I

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, You're going to a team that's they

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Speaker 1: already screaming like, with so much talent on this team,

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Speaker 3: Well it's the thing, like, it's probably good for me

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Speaker 3: Byron Scott was there as a mentor, watching shock kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, listen, our vets would come to practice and

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Speaker 4: But right now it's more of a young man's league

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Speaker 3: And I think there was positives and negatives to that,

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Speaker 3: It was hard, and I think that actually I had

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Speaker 4: So speaking on that, I've talked to my boys and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the rhythm of the words, like that

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Speaker 3: Know, Philadelphia, you know, certainly it was you know, rap

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Speaker 4: So what made you start the punities talk about that?

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Speaker 3: You know, information wasn't Guys wouldn't share information generally, but

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Speaker 3: If you shoot a shot thousands of times, I can

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Speaker 3: And so that's when I started lifting and started getting

440
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 3: stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger. And that's the

441
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 3: adjustment I made because I had the fundamentals and had

442
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 3: the skill. I learned some things technique wise defensively, but

443
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 3: then I just my physical ability is caught up to

444
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 3: the skill.

445
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 1: You come off the bench for the Lakers and you

446
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: make the All Star team. You're playing I think it's

447
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and playing against the Bulls. Michael Jordan like,

448
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: that was one of the best All Star games I've

449
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 1: ever seen in the history of the game. I want

450
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 1: to know how you felt about that moment. You're going

451
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: against your idol who's on the other team. You're thinking

452
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: that Eddie Jones and Nick Van Next on Shock they

453
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: automatically Finna make the All Star Game and you make

454
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 1: it too, to be a part of that.

455
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: What's that moment?

456
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: Like feel it was a huge honor when you see

457
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 3: the boats tallying up and like, wait a minute, I'm

458
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: gonna starter on this team. I want to start my

459
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: own team, you know, and like it became very serious

460
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 3: to me because I didn't want to make it seem

461
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 3: like I was just some bubblegum player. Yeah, popularity got

462
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: me in there. It was like, hold on, no, I

463
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: can hoop, I want to improve, I belong here sort

464
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 3: of thing, you know. The hype of going in against

465
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 3: Mike it was, okay, let's go show me. Like I've

466
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: been watching you playing my whole life, show me, like

467
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 3: I want to see this, everybody calling you black Jesus

468
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 3: and also this like you have to show me man

469
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: and out there. And we went head up, and I

470
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 3: think his respect and appreciation for me really grew that

471
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: day because you saw on the biggest stage, I didn't

472
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: shy away from that confrontation. I look forward to that

473
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: competition and uh, you know George Carr, which you know

474
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 3: later in years, became my motivation. We played against Denvers

475
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 3: and never let them win the playoff series because he.

476
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: Didn't play me the whole fourth quarter of that game that.

477
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 3: Me and Mike went at it, you know, for three quarters,

478
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 3: and then in the fourth quarter, the crowds waiting for

479
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: me to get back in there. He benches me the

480
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: whole fourth and it was like, okay, I see it's

481
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: on site. When we played the Denver Nuggets and the playoffs,

482
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: it was like, hold on, yo, you're never you will

483
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: never beat me in the playoff series.

484
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: The blame for this, it's not all the ways, y'all,

485
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 4: is his father.

486
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 2: I was so pissed.

487
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: I always respected that you came in as a rook

488
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 4: and you know, as a big name superstar rug type

489
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 4: and you jumped into the dunk contests you wanted.

490
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 2: Did your thing.

491
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 4: What do you think about some of the superstars nowadays

492
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 4: just not being in because you know, like you like, uh,

493
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 4: we grew up watching Jordan's Dominantly greats was the ones

494
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 4: that were putting on the show. And I'm not saying

495
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: that I don't want to see some of these other boys,

496
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,959
Speaker 4: because nowadays some of these other boys got crazy hops too.

497
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: I would like to see our super superstars. If you

498
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: one of those crazy athletes, forget about all.

499
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: That your brand or I don't want to lose.

500
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: They go put on a show like Aaron Gordon Levine did,

501
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 4: like how MJ. And if you a superstar you got bounced.

502
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: Go do it?

503
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, And I think the All Star

504
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: Game in general needs a little bit vamping because used

505
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: to be competitive, used to be competitive, and like fans

506
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: want to see the best pickup game in the world,

507
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: that's what this is. They want to see you running

508
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 3: up and down and dunking and doing all this crazy

509
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: like they want to see what happens when you get

510
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: this collection of best basketball players on the planet and

511
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: they play and they go head up against each other. Man,

512
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: guys played harder right to pick up game in U

513
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: c l A. Billions of people watching. Definitely, dude, you know,

514
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 3: I'm so I think the All Star Game needs a

515
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: little needs a little changing. Always love competing in them.

516
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: I didn't lose many of them. All the time you

517
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: took it. We win, Like I don't think me and

518
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: CP and we played together. I don't think we've ever

519
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: lost a game. And we used to look at each

520
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,239
Speaker 3: other and say, Okay, they don't want to play, we're

521
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: gonna fourth quarter, let's go get them.

522
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, ask you just pick up basketball.

523
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: Devin Booker said, you don't post the double team doing

524
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: pick up basketball, but the competition we used to have

525
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: two courts. If you're killing our team and we want

526
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: to stay on the winning court, we're gonna get the

527
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: ball out your hand. But he should be happy. I

528
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: feel that you can double team on on TV and

529
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: off TV. That means that you're so special. You playing

530
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: pick up was people double team and you doing?

531
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what you what you do you think about?

532
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: Like say you got to send another one? Yeah, send

533
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: another one? Man like the coming to send another one?

534
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like you know, I understand what Booker saying though,

535
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: because in the summertime, you're working on a particular skill set,

536
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: and so when you're in an iceolate situation, you want

537
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: to try the things that you've been working on in

538
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: the gym. When doubles coming, you don't have time to

539
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: do that. At the same time, they're on double team

540
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: in the season anyway, right, so you got to figure

541
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: out how to get around that, how to manipulate those

542
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: those those double seasons, you get the practice against what

543
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: you're really going to s Yeah, yeah, you get a

544
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: chance to measure it where those passing angles or you

545
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: know why I want to send this guy a message

546
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna be playing against him in the season anyway,

547
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: whether it was Ricky Davis in the summer time, we're

548
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: playing against each other, the double teams coming playing against

549
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 3: the regular season all so the stuff it gives me

550
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: bragging rights. It's like even pick up basketball, you need

551
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: a double team right now, and the double team wasn't sufficient.

552
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: You got to send three motherfuckers out here in summertime.

553
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to have the game, oh,

554
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna get your ass kicked up.

555
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: It's just more of an ability to kind of trash

556
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: talk a little bit. Yeah, I always view it as

557
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 3: a competition.

558
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: When Shakla, it's like you couldn't wait to show everything, Yeah,

559
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: everything that you got, Like you went on a tear

560
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: with the forty points in the row to eighty one,

561
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: like them three.

562
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: Four years or whatever.

563
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: The reason I ranked certain players that I ranked higher

564
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: than others is be like, how many years did you

565
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: dominate the game out of a ten year span? If

566
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: you got four five years, damn there six years of

567
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: you being the best player, evidently you the best player

568
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: of that generation. But like you went on a tear

569
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: for four or five years straight of just domination. And

570
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: this is when you didn't have a field, you didn't

571
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: have shock.

572
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: What was Was it something that you was trying to

573
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: prove or it was like yeah, because you know, here's

574
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: the thing.

575
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: When I was playing, you know, we get chastised a

576
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 3: lot for being selfish, saying we just got to fit

577
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: into a team. It's about winning championships. Okay, well I

578
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: get it, I'm doing it right, run three straight, Okay,

579
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: I got it. But I also knew that when my

580
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: career is over, they're going to chastise me for the

581
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: same thing. And saying, oh, well, You're only great because

582
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: you play with Shack, And I'm like, wella hold up,

583
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: you ain't have it both ways, bro.

584
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: Like you know.

585
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: So it was important for me to in shock to

586
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: go separate ways because I didn't want people to use

587
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: that again. They still do, but it was important that

588
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: I win championships without them, and you get a glimpse

589
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: of what I could have done individually had I not

590
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: played with you, see what I'm saying. So that was

591
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 3: a big driving factor. It's like, hold on, don't get

592
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: it fucked up now, Like, yeah, I'm doing this thing.

593
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: I'm playing with Shaq, and it's like, might put them

594
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: with Wilt. Shack was a force in nature, right, so

595
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: you got to kind of take it back seat you.

596
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: But once that.

597
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: Governor's off, like hold on now, yeahdiculous twenty four and eight.

598
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: I know number eight, Kobe Bryant. Everybody in the world

599
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: is stuck on that. And just all of a sudden

600
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that you decided to revamp yourself and turn the twenty four.

601
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: Why the number twenty four? About all the numbers that

602
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: you could have.

603
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: Showed a couple of things. Twenty four is the first

604
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: number award in high school. My freshman year, I was

605
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: number twenty four, and then philosophically, for me, it carried

606
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: the significance because it was about approaching every day isaka

607
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: was my last and I had to have that mentality

608
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: because it ships shocks going. I have to drive this

609
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: team every day. You know, there's no days off become

610
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: in practice. We're going right, And so every time I

611
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: look at that number, it's like, today's the most important day.

612
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: Today is the day, right, It's one day. That's it right,

613
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: And that helped me, you know, stay locked in.

614
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: The triangle offense.

615
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: When I got to the league, I knew y'all played

616
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: like I felt like if I got traded to the Lakers,

617
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: I already know the player. It's one play. I got

618
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: a couple of side but y'all run this one play

619
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: in today's era, how today kids play? You think the

620
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: triangle will work in this You have the right people

621
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: to teach it. Yeah, because y'all slow the game. You

622
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: had to play at y'all pace, no matter how.

623
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: Can be sped up to right so it conforms to

624
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: the talent that you have. My thirteen year old daughters

625
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: team runs a triangle right, but it's Like, the thing

626
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: about the triangle offenses makes it so deadly is that

627
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: it gives you a structure, and within that structure you

628
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: have complete freedom. And so even though defensively you know

629
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: what it is, the sequence that we're executing, we have

630
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: counters to it, counter to everything, and we all know them.

631
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: It's hard to beat that, right because we can feel

632
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: can start out and say we want to run center opposite.

633
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 3: That's the sequence we want to start with. But now

634
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: if you deny the wing on that center opposite, that

635
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: plays off. Now we have counters that come around. Now.

636
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I used to hate when Robert or used to come

637
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: up to the box free throw line, grab the ball

638
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and you back cut.

639
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back every time.

640
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: It's the back door step right, So like, but that

641
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: helped me game plan. So like, these players now play

642
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: accidental basketball and it drives me and feel crazy because

643
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: it's all penetrating pitch. You may make the shot, you

644
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: may not. You have no idea who's going to be

645
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: open or whatever. It's accidental basketball. We played basketball with purpose.

646
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: If I got the ball, if Derek Fish is on

647
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: the wing, I'm at the top. I know by skyt

648
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: reports that you guys like to deny the top. All right, cool,

649
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: dew the top. I'll move up a little bit more.

650
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: Drag you out here comes or stepping in the hole?

651
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: Catch it here, I go back door, there's the drop off.

652
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: I go right.

653
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: So it's playing those sequences and understanding what the defense

654
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: is going to do again. So that made them dangerous.

655
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: That's why Chicago was so dangerous because they knew how

656
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: Utah was gonna play these actions. And then they all

657
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: all five of them.

658
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Took advantage of and they always keep you with space

659
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: and always all the time lap over each other.

660
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Always.

661
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: They were really big on you know, having ten to

662
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: fifteen foot spacing always.

663
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: Coming into it.

664
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: I felt like I was a offensive score, right, you know,

665
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: the highest who come to I was a score. But

666
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: then you look at dudes like you, I don't know,

667
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: what is the mentality that when you get all right,

668
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: you got twenty, you got thirty. What makes in your

669
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: mind when you got thirty, most people like all right, cool,

670
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: like I'm going forty, now, going fifty, now, I'm going sixty.

671
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: Now I'm going what is happening in your tough process

672
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: to it? Because like at some point, I know you tired,

673
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: because because the people don't understand square buckets like that

674
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: that take energy. So how do you continue to just go?

675
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: Because I was in New York when you got the sixty,

676
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: and God bless young boy Wilson Chandler. He recovered.

677
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: He is good, you know, think as well his life

678
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: and his girl. He's still playing now, so you know

679
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: he made it through that.

680
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: But I'm sitting here watching it and I'm like, yo,

681
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: he's not stopping.

682
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: He don't look like he want to stop.

683
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: He still want to get one hundred if he can.

684
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: Where does that mentality come from? When you see most

685
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: guys thirty forty and they kind.

686
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: Of chill out, like all right, I got this. No, uh,

687
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: it's a competition and my mission is to destroy you.

688
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: It's it's not you know, I mean like I don't

689
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: say it, you know, like we're playing. I'm not stopping

690
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: that thirty Like I'm keep going until you figure out

691
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: something else to do.

692
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going, you know.

693
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: And like that New York game, I knew d'An Tony's

694
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: philosophies are never the double guy that's hot, because he

695
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: always thinks they're gonna cool off eventually right. So I

696
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: understood that. So once I got rolling, I knew that

697
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: was gonna be the case. But then watching film leading

698
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: into the game, I knew Wilson. I knew he was

699
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: just gonna play sound defense, right. He wasn't gonna gamble,

700
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna try to block a shot. He wasn't

701
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: you know, He's gonna try to play good position defense.

702
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: So I knew I could get a good look. So

703
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: from that standpoint, I said, all, I just gotta take

704
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: my time, be on balance, knock him down. I was.

705
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, at some point when he catched

706
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: the ball, you gotta put him in the first row,

707
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: put him right in Spike Lee's Spike over there pumping

708
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: them up. He talking, and my boy ain't saying nothing.

709
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: He decided, being a good young boy, gonna play hard.

710
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: Spike Lee over here getting them on, Like, how you

711
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: gonna talk to this man?

712
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta check them. I was furious, like, you

713
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: got it? This man shooting looking his fights, dowling at him,

714
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: just running back. I'm just like, bro, this is not that.

715
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: That was one of those zone moments, man, where like

716
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: things happened and it just led to that big moment,

717
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: but like Andrew bying them, we just lost the game

718
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: before you got an injury against Memphis, right, So I'm like,

719
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: we just lost to the Celtics in eight. We think

720
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: we got Andrew. It's gonna make a big difference for us.

721
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: Now he goes down, how long it's gonna be out

722
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: for the team? Was a little deflated. I was pissed off,

723
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because it's like, no, we're

724
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: winning the championship. It should come hell of high water.

725
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: And my guys were down and going into a New

726
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: York big game. I said, all right, I gotta send

727
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: the message to my guys and said, no, listen, we're

728
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: doing this. I understand it's hard you went down, but

729
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: damn it, we're getting it done. So it's important to

730
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: get into that mind frame of no, nothing matters, and

731
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: I want to talk to nobody. I don't want see

732
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: no celebrities on the sideline. Don't dat me, don't say

733
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: hot to me. I don't care about none of y'all.

734
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: To night, you just focused.

735
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: That was it was that Also, you was coming into

736
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: the garden and everybody loved to play well in the

737
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: Madison Square, not.

738
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: That game no, that game, it was bigger than that,

739
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: Like it was about us winning the championship. Like my

740
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: guys were deflated and it was like, no, we're going

741
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: we're getting it done. I understand, and it sucks, but

742
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: we got to keep on moving and I had to

743
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: find that space. I didn't go out to dinner in

744
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: New York. I stayed in my room. This is actually

745
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: the story Rob told that he got confused about the

746
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Heath Ledger stuff because I stayed up watching Batman and

747
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: watching Heath Fledger, and then I went and started researching

748
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: about Heath Fledger and how he got in the character

749
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: and how he just became became all consuming. It's like

750
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: that inspired me to go into my garden mode. While

751
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: I go in there, I don't want to say how

752
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: to the jan I don't want to say how to

753
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: these people. I don't want to talk to nobody or

754
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: everybody leave me alone like that.

755
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Ever since I seen highlights of you in high school,

756
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: all the way up to the end of your career,

757
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: You've always been an aggressive God who installed aggression in

758
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: you to I don't know, compete.

759
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: The way you compete. I don't know.

760
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: I watched my my daughter, Gianna, and she's aggressive as hell.

761
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: I see she got the face, like like she got

762
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: the face everything. She's aggressive. Yeah, you know, it's not

763
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: something that we taught her how to be. She's just

764
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: naturally aggressive, got it. Yeah, So you just say it

765
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: was always kind of temperamental. And you know, and I

766
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: grew up in a competitive household and my cousins were

767
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: all competitive when we competed everything trash talk and everything,

768
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: so that kind of added to the fightiness of it

769
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: a little bit.

770
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: To see your daughter fall in love with the same

771
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: ball that you fell in love with, how that makes

772
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you feel and to a culture with that pass to

773
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: help her out, to give her the jewels for like

774
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: have a passion for like cave about it.

775
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: It's a great feeling. But you know, it would have

776
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: been the same if it was anything else, as long

777
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: as they got the passion for it. That's the hardest

778
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: thing is trying to find something that your kids are

779
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: passionate about. Like my eldest loves film. Yeah she loves

780
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: volleyball too, but really loves film. And you know, Gianna

781
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: basketball all right, cool, I know basketball, I can teach you.

782
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: So it's awesome because it's like a blank canvas. When

783
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: they first started to started two years ago, so I

784
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: started teaching them all the footwork.

785
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: It took me twenty years to learn.

786
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: I'm teaching them that at eleven, you know, so now

787
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: at thirteen, I mean they're fadeaways, they're up and unders,

788
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: their their spin moves, their balanced, like their footwork is

789
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: really really sharp because it's like a blank canvas and

790
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: it's fun to watch them figure it out, you know,

791
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: to watch them learn, and like you ever think you

792
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: would coach Nah, I didn't my kids would ever play basketball.

793
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying, because, like I was,

794
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: my kids can do anything, anything you want to do.

795
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm a supporter. Yeah, but when you choose the one

796
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: thing that I fell in love with, it's like it's

797
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: it's still a special seeing to me.

798
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Like baby, little this, No, I give you everything you need.

799
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: It's exciting and like you get a chance to go

800
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: back and like go through the basics all over again. Right, So,

801
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: like I write practice plans every day and it's like

802
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: a six year plan and we're in year two right now.

803
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: So you can patiently teach them every little aspects, right,

804
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: teach them how to use screens, teach them how to

805
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: be patient, teach them how to anticipate on defense, like

806
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: all those little balance and all that little stuff. It's

807
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: it's awesome, man, it's awesome that man got it all

808
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: mapped up.

809
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: So I want you to take a second and talk

810
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: to me about the legacy and the queen and how

811
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: this came about.

812
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: I like the whole the tennis.

813
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: I feel with the like this is something as a

814
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: kid you get excited about the color.

815
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: And this is like when I would buy the TV.

816
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: You know, we buying Nolan, Like, look at the that's right.

817
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: This is like in comparison, because this is not your

818
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: normal book. You got feel and texture and sparkles and

819
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: then it still got the tennis racket.

820
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: So talk about how you came up with this.

821
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: Well, we want to create something for children that you know,

822
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: they feel that they're important. A lot of times in

823
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: the children's space, be kind of dumb stuff down, the

824
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: materials down because it's for children.

825
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: They're not going to tell the difference.

826
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: But I feel like if you create something that's high

827
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: in value, understand that it's been cared for, that means

828
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: that they matter and they do right for parents as well.

829
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: To look at this and you put this book up

830
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: and you can feel that there's been a lot of

831
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: care put into it. You may not understand all the

832
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: hidden gems that are in this book yet, but you

833
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: can feel them, so you understand this is.

834
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: A studio that we can trust.

835
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: And then for the story itself, it's about how do

836
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: we teach kids how to handle the inner monologue, the

837
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: emotional things that we experience.

838
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: How do we teach them that?

839
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: Which is why I had to be tennis because tennis

840
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 3: is such an individual sport are.

841
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: But different than golf.

842
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: Golf you're dealing with the elements and yourself, and tennis

843
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: you're dealing with yourself, the elements and that person across

844
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: the net from you trying to beat you. Right, So

845
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: you got to have those inner conversations, navigate those while

846
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: competing with somebody else. That's a crossing that from you.

847
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 3: The story behind it? What inspired you to do that story? Well,

848
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: the way I look at it, inspiration drives the world.

849
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: So if I'm looking at the kingdoms and the world

850
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: that we create, inspiration is what decides who's going to

851
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: be the ruler of these particular worlds, all right, So

852
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: then how you inspire. You can inspire a myriad of ways. Right.

853
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: You can inspire through love, Right, you can inspire through fear, right, hatred.

854
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways to inspire. And so how

855
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: these athletes in the world using their platform to inspire? Right,

856
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: And that's where the conflict ensues and all our stories.

857
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: I know what I want to ask you.

858
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: Now, you know you like Bruce Wayne, Now you got

859
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But I want to know, like

860
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: all of us, when you first got in the lid,

861
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: you got some bread in your pocket, what did you

862
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: do to somewhere?

863
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: Your mom or your dad looked at you, like, what's

864
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: the hell? We all did something?

865
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, nothing like that, but like the

866
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: first thing I did, like when I came out here

867
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: and I got some per diem. I just want to

868
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: go somewhere, right, like in Philadelphia. Everything's relatively close, you

869
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: know what. I'm staying in Santa Monica. And so I

870
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: get a taxi, YO call it yellow. Just get a taxi.

871
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: Kids don't know what that is. And I get in

872
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: the cab and I say, well, take me to a mall.

873
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: Take me to the mall. He takes me to the

874
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: Beverly Center right now. I had eighty bucks in my pocket,

875
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: but put them money. The taxi cab ride was like

876
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: sixty five. I don't get back. What the hell hell's

877
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: going on right now? Man?

878
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: Like I didn't, I didn't, you know.

879
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: So I'm walking around the mall with fifteen bucks in

880
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: my pocket, not knowing who the hell, what anything was

881
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: or whatever.

882
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: It's Jerry's Delhi across the street. I'm hungry.

883
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: I want a sandwich. I look at the menu of

884
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: sandwiches like six bucks. I'm like, yo, I can't.

885
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: This is yeah, this is crazy, this is absolutely crazy.

886
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: So I got I got a cab driver to give

887
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: me your ride back and good faith that I was

888
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: going to go up to the room and find some.

889
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: More money somewhere and pay him. Wow.

890
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck just retired. Yeah, he was saying it was

891
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: a mental drain on him with the injuries. I kind

892
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: of feel that because eight of my ten years it

893
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: was a mental drain every day with the injuries.

894
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Speaker 2: You had.

895
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: Injury after injury after injury. You played with a broken

896
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: finger the whole year. All that just describe to, like

897
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: other athletes, the focus and how you got to kind

898
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: of compete with yourself to get yourself back on the

899
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Speaker 1: level to steady go. I know, we all go to

900
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Speaker 1: the pain and stuff, and it's the hardest thing you

901
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Speaker 1: can do because it's so easy to give up.

902
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really hard, man, because it's such a tedious process.

903
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: And what I found helpful is to not look at

904
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain because the mountain is so

905
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: damn daunting, you know, it's like, so instead I just

906
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: choose to focus on one step by the time, and

907
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: then by the time you realize you at the top

908
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: of the mountain again. And that's how I handle all

909
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: my recoveries. It's just focus on the next thing, Focus

910
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: on the next thing, focus on the next thing. And also,

911
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: you know how time flies. Time goes by really fast.

912
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: So like when you're sitting here at the moment, deal

913
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: with the injury, that's a nine month injury. I can't

914
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: do that, But when twelve months go by, you're don't

915
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: wish you did, because it goes by like that, you

916
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So that's always been my approach,

917
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: is just one step at the time, one step at

918
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: the time. And I didn't want the injuries dictating when

919
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: I retire. I wanted to control lasts like no, my body,

920
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: sit down, be humble. You're not You're not telling me

921
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: when I'm walking away, right, I'm gonna tell you when

922
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.

923
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924
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926
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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant here, that's what's up. Man, appreciate it. Thank you,

927
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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm gonna

928
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Speaker 2: put this to good.

929
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Speaker 3: Use, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a rout man.

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Speaker 2: We definitely appreciate you.

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935
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