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Speaker 3: Welcome. In episode one fifty nine, What's Right with Nick Wright?
Speaker 3: We have a new NBA champion for the first time
Speaker 3: in the history of their franchise. The Denver Nuggets are champions.
Speaker 3: Right as I say that, my monitor goes out. I
Speaker 3: assume we're still on the air. You guys will tell me.
Speaker 3: If not, maybe this is the basketball gods trying to
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Speaker 3: we have a ton to do today. As you may
Speaker 3: or may not be able to say, hey, I can
Speaker 3: see myself again. My daughter Diora, my co host for
Speaker 3: the last couple months, is not here today. She is
Speaker 3: doing graduation rehearsal for her graduation from high school, which
Speaker 3: is on Thursday. So it is just me. But you
Speaker 3: know what, it's kind of perfect because we have a
Speaker 3: lot to discuss from last night, from the Finals as
Speaker 3: a whole, from my commentary on Niko lejokicch over the
Speaker 3: last few years and where he and this Nuggets team
Speaker 3: falls in NBA history, and of course, on the losing
Speaker 3: side of the coin playoff, Jimmy and heat culture fell
Speaker 3: just short. Once again. We will discuss all of that,
Speaker 3: But here's what missed the cup for today's show. DeAndre
Speaker 3: Jordan winning a ring before Chris Paul. You know, I
Speaker 3: didn't even think about that, but that is true. Is
Speaker 3: this the closest Russell Wilson gets to a title in Denver?
Speaker 3: I would imagine that is true. And Trey Young saying
Speaker 3: he is next up? Well, I you know, maybe that's
Speaker 3: a trade demand. If it's not a trade demand, it's
Speaker 3: a laughably incorrect tweet. But let's get to the actual
Speaker 3: game now. The producers wrote today's show out as if
Speaker 3: I were going to have a co host to poke
Speaker 3: me and prod me and mock me, even though I
Speaker 3: don't know that I deserve much mocking. By the way,
Speaker 3: congratulations to Daniel, producer, Daniel, his team won. More on
Speaker 3: that in the moment. I'm begrudgingly happy for you, Daniel.
Speaker 3: Well done. That is a nice sweatshirt. You guys want
Speaker 3: a title, you know what? Good for you. Now let's
Speaker 3: get to the show. So, as I mentioned, the Nuggets
Speaker 3: are champs and this script says Jokich is undeniably the
Speaker 3: best in the world. More on that in a moment.
Speaker 3: Your Jokics take, My Jokic take is officially an l
Speaker 3: They say, did you have the producer to raise all
Speaker 3: your previous episodes. Yet here's the thing, guys, Niko Lejokic
Speaker 3: right now this moment is, without a doubt, one of
Speaker 3: the twenty five greatest players ever. Yesterday he was not.
Speaker 3: That's simply how this stuff works. And we will discuss
Speaker 3: what the top fifty would look like later in the show.
Speaker 3: So in a weird way, because I am such a
Speaker 3: nerd to NBA history, I like the fact I don't
Speaker 3: like that I was wrong in picking Heat, but I
Speaker 3: like the fact that Jokic has a ring and a
Speaker 3: truly dominant start to finish, finish, playoff run because it
Speaker 3: makes those two MVPs that he won makes sense in
Speaker 3: a way that Steve Nashes never will, in a way
Speaker 3: that Russell Westbrook's won. And I know some people still
Speaker 3: defend that Ohie average a triple double. It didn't at
Speaker 3: the time and it won't in history make sense. And
Speaker 3: we got to a spot that I felt we don't
Speaker 3: have to rehash it today that we were changing the
Speaker 3: rules in a way that favored Nikola Jokic in a
Speaker 3: way that I was uncomfortable with, but that knife cuts
Speaker 3: in both. It is now incumbent upon us, most notably
Speaker 3: the most ardent or vocal critics or skeptics of Jokic,
Speaker 3: to not then do the same thing to him, change
Speaker 3: the rules in a way that go against him. He
Speaker 3: gets the exact same treatment Yanis did. When Yannis was
Speaker 3: a two time MVP with minimal deep playoff runs and
Speaker 3: then broke through, he instantly became the not universally but
Speaker 3: near universally accepted best player alive. And on top of that,
Speaker 3: he instantly vaulted into the top twenty five all time.
Speaker 3: I had him in the top fifty of the last
Speaker 3: fifty years. Now, Jo kicch is not the defender Yannis is,
Speaker 3: and I don't have Yokich ahead of Yiannis on the
Speaker 3: all time rankings, but he is now in that same neighborhood.
Speaker 3: When your team goes sixteen and four in the postseason,
Speaker 3: when you go eight to one in the conference finals
Speaker 3: and NBA Finals, and you do it by averaging a
Speaker 3: thirty thirteen to nine, he was eight total, no, ten
Speaker 3: total assists, ten total away from averaging a triple double,
Speaker 3: a thirty point triple double for the postseason, and you
Speaker 3: do it on fifty five forty six split. It's you
Speaker 3: get all the flowers. You have answered all the questions.
Speaker 3: I'm not into step skipping, and I really wasn't into
Speaker 3: giving a six seed an MVP, much less a second
Speaker 3: straight MVP. But it all kind of evens out, I suppose,
Speaker 3: because while if my vote was the only vote that counted,
Speaker 3: Jokich would have one MVP right now. You can very
Speaker 3: easily justify his first one to me far more than
Speaker 3: his second one. And if he had only had one
Speaker 3: and hadn't won last year or last year was his first,
Speaker 3: this year he would have won it, and he would
Speaker 3: have two. So maybe in that way he has the
Speaker 3: right number of MVP and now has had the right
Speaker 3: amount of postseason success. There are no holes to poke,
Speaker 3: And I understand that there is going to be a
Speaker 3: kind of smug media cohort that is going to today
Speaker 3: if they have not already say yeah, some of us
Speaker 3: didn't need to see him win a championship. Well some
Speaker 3: of us did, and I don't think that is a
Speaker 3: flawed way of looking at things. Playoff basketball is different
Speaker 3: than regular season basketball. If it weren't, James Harden would
Speaker 3: be one of the ten greatest players in the history
Speaker 3: of the sport. And Harden, I think is a good
Speaker 3: player to bring up because if you simply skipped the
Speaker 3: steps with Harden and said, oh, you see what he
Speaker 3: does in the regular season, you see him get to
Speaker 3: a conference finals with an overmatch team. You see he
Speaker 3: loses in the postseason. If we go years back, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about those first few years in Houston, he loses
Speaker 3: in the postseason to teams that are markedly better than him.
Speaker 3: Why can't we call him the best player in the world.
Speaker 3: Why can't we call him one of the twenty greatest
Speaker 3: players ever? The answer then would have been proven out correctly. Well,
Speaker 3: because until you see a guy do it in the
Speaker 3: playoffs on a not a two round run, but a
Speaker 3: four round run, and you don't always have to win
Speaker 3: that fourth round. You don't always have to win the
Speaker 3: finals to prove it to us. Durant didn't win his
Speaker 3: first finals, but he proved it to us. Lebron didn't
Speaker 3: win his first two finals, but Lebron had proven it
Speaker 3: to us. Once you see it, you know, we've now
Speaker 3: seen it undeniably with Jokic, and I feel like even
Speaker 3: if the Heat had won this series now would he
Speaker 3: be one of the twenty five greatest ever? No, but
Speaker 3: he would have answered all the questions. His biggest liability
Speaker 3: is his defense, and defensively, I thought he was pretty
Speaker 3: damn good these last couple rounds. He did not wear down.
Speaker 3: He averaged forty minutes a game this postseason. He went
Speaker 3: through Durant, He went through Durant and Booker, Lebron and
Speaker 3: AD and then a Heat team that folks are now
Speaker 3: going to try to once again confirm their preconceived notions
Speaker 3: of disregarding the fact that this Heat team dispatched of
Speaker 3: Milwaukee in five and was up three to zero on Boston.
Speaker 3: This is a great championship, Nikola Jokicz just won, and
Speaker 3: I understand folks would be like, I'd be an eight seed,
Speaker 3: a four seed to seventh seed, and an eight seed
Speaker 3: that's bull. He beat Katie and Booker, Lebron and AD
Speaker 3: and then the team that leads the NBA in playoff
Speaker 3: victories over the last four years, a team that was
Speaker 3: in the finals three years prior and in the Game
Speaker 3: seven of the Conference finals. Last year, they beat worthy
Speaker 3: opponents and they didn't just beat them, they dominated him.
Speaker 3: The Nuggets, it's a weird spot because they didn't really
Speaker 3: have all that many close games this postseason. In the
Speaker 3: first round they won by twenty nine nine nine, lost
Speaker 3: in overtime, closed them out by three. They beat the
Speaker 3: Suns by eighteen and ten, then lost two, then won
Speaker 3: by sixteen and twenty five. The Laker games, all four
Speaker 3: of them were That was their one series where they
Speaker 3: were all close games, but they won them all. All
Speaker 3: those games were in the balance at the end, and
Speaker 3: the Nuggets, most notably Jokic and Jamal Murray, made the
Speaker 3: plays they had to make, and they beat Miami in
Speaker 3: their four wins by nine, fifteen, thirteen, And then last
Speaker 3: night was a hell of a game and it did
Speaker 3: feel like Miami was gonna steal it at the end.
Speaker 3: They won last night by five, and it was actually
Speaker 3: closer than that. This is a great championship. It's a
Speaker 3: great championship. And this is where if I may be
Speaker 3: self focused for a moment, folks ask me and have
Speaker 3: asked me during this playoff run. Oh, Nick, it is
Speaker 3: brutal for you see what people are saying about you
Speaker 3: on Twitter, the old clips that are going around. Does
Speaker 3: it bother you? And it The only thing that bothers
Speaker 3: me is if an old clip from eighteen months ago
Speaker 3: is being positioned as if it was said eighteen days ago,
Speaker 3: that I think is a little unfair, like the you
Speaker 3: have clips of what I was saying about Jokic when
Speaker 3: we were back doing this from my house and it's
Speaker 3: being positioned like I was saying it during this playoff run.
Speaker 3: That's a little fake Newsy. But other than that, none
Speaker 3: of it bothers me. And it's because I know the
Speaker 3: standard that I hold all great NBA or potentially great
Speaker 3: NBA players too. And one of two things is going
Speaker 3: to happen with the guys i'm skeptical of. Either I
Speaker 3: am going to be proven right or they are going
Speaker 3: to clear those hurdles, and I will, without any hesitation,
Speaker 3: give them all the credit that they have earned. I'm
Speaker 3: just not into microwaving it. With the exception, of course,
Speaker 3: of Luca. Dontitude is as you guys, my large adult
Speaker 3: Slovenian son. Sorry, blood's thicker than water. I'm gonna always
Speaker 3: have a special place in my heart for him. Now.
Speaker 3: The one thing I said more on in a moment
Speaker 3: that we didn't get to yet was Jokich undeniably the
Speaker 3: best player in the world. He gets to hold the
Speaker 3: crown and the belt, he gets to fairly be called that.
Speaker 3: But much like and I disagreed with these people when
Speaker 3: Yannis won his title and I said he's clearly the
Speaker 3: best player in the world, some people were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I I still think Durance better. If I were hooked
Speaker 3: up to a polygraph and I were asked if I
Speaker 3: had the number one pick of the draft, every player
Speaker 3: is a free agent. Who am I taking me? Personally,
Speaker 3: I'm probably not. Probably I'm still taking Yanni's first. I
Speaker 3: am jo Kich would be second. But that's just my
Speaker 3: own personal It's close enough that I totally understand the
Speaker 3: alternative argument. Totally understand it. And if people call them
Speaker 3: the best player in the world, as I think they will,
Speaker 3: they have a lot of evidence on their side, a
Speaker 3: lot of evidence, and that's what they've earned. And it
Speaker 3: is a great championship. Man. And well, we'll talk Jamal
Speaker 3: Murray when we get into the dynasty stuff. Some of
Speaker 3: the other questions on this the producer has written, where
Speaker 3: is this rank in terms of all time championship runs?
Speaker 3: I I don't have that. I've never made that list
Speaker 3: the like you know, there are some that certainly stick
Speaker 3: out to me. Dirk's in twenty eleven, it's pretty damn great. Uh.
Speaker 3: I think Lebron's in twenty twelve, the last two rounds
Speaker 3: of it, beating the Big Three in Boston, then beating Katie,
Speaker 3: Russ and Harden's pretty great. I was just doing contemporary ones,
Speaker 3: the Warriors in eighteen beating the sixty five win Rockets
Speaker 3: and then but the No in eighteen that cavsine was
Speaker 3: terrible except for Lebron, So in contemporary NBA history it's
Speaker 3: pretty damn good man, and going through who they went through.
Speaker 3: A sneaky good one is is and it looks better now,
Speaker 3: maybe now than ever. A sneaky good one was the
Speaker 3: Lakers in the Bubble. Round one against Dame, Round two
Speaker 3: against Russ and Harden, Round three against Joker and Murray,
Speaker 3: Round four against the Heat. That's like a sneaky, really
Speaker 3: good one. But a lot of how we view how
Speaker 3: heavy of a load Jokic carried in this is going
Speaker 3: to be how we end up viewing Jamal Murray and
Speaker 3: we'll talk about that when we get to the Dynasty stuff.
Speaker 3: Now to the other side of it, the producers, right,
Speaker 3: for all the talk about playoff Jimmy disappeared when the
Speaker 3: heat needed him most. Was all the Jimmy bucket type unjustified.
Speaker 3: That's the that's so dumb, Sorry producers, guys. Did Jimmy
Speaker 3: Butler have a disappointing finals? He did? To Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 3: did this Jimmy Butler finals remind you of anyone's finals
Speaker 3: an undeniably great player. And if you're like, yeah, Lebron
Speaker 3: and eleven, no, no, no, no, no, that Lebron and eleven had
Speaker 3: an objectively bad series, Jimmy, these finals averaged twenty two
Speaker 3: five and six on forty one from the field thirty
Speaker 3: seven from three. Twenty two five six, forty one thirty seven.
Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, Stephen Curry in those finals averaged twenty
Speaker 3: three five four on forty percent from the field forty
Speaker 3: percent from three, so one more point, the same rebounds too,
Speaker 3: fewer assists, field goal percentage one point less, three point
Speaker 3: percentage three points more. It was not a great finals.
Speaker 3: It was not a disastrous debacle of a finals and
Speaker 3: the idea that we are going to This is one
Speaker 3: of the things that I hate. I hated when it
Speaker 3: happened to Lebron, I hate when it happened to I'll
Speaker 3: pick out some of my favorite guys Mahomes in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: I hate when it happens really to anybody who gets
Speaker 3: penalized or more criticized for coming up a little short
Speaker 3: in the final round. Then someone gets criticized that was
Speaker 3: beaten along the way to the final round. The people
Speaker 3: today on the pre show call for First Things First,
Speaker 3: they were like, do is Jimmy still deserved to be
Speaker 3: in Club Superstar? And I almost ended the zoom call,
Speaker 3: like what are we talking about? So you're not kicking
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum out of Club Superstar who had his lunch
Speaker 3: eaten by Jimmy in the previous round and that's why
Speaker 3: he didn't get to play in the finals. But now
Speaker 3: we're gonna kill Jimmy because in the finals he wasn't great,
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, he wasn't great. Now last
Speaker 3: night he was really bad until the end when it
Speaker 3: looked like he was going to have a vintage playoff
Speaker 3: Jimmy moment with the threes and the free throws and
Speaker 3: getting them back, and then he had two really rough
Speaker 3: plays down the stretch. But this is where I think
Speaker 3: an interesting thing sports media does, and I gotta say
Speaker 3: I actually kind of agree with it, is we criticize
Speaker 3: more harshly. Two guys can have the same level of
Speaker 3: performance and receive very disparate amounts of criticism based on
Speaker 3: how close that performance was to what we think their
Speaker 3: peak performance is. Meaning a player with slightly less talent
Speaker 3: or natural ability gets more of a pass than a
Speaker 3: player with immense amounts of natural ability that can't seem
Speaker 3: to rise in the biggest moments. And so there will
Speaker 3: be guys like Tracy McGrady who probably get a little
Speaker 3: unfairly maligned by history because those of us that watched
Speaker 3: him new at his best he had an argument wasn't
Speaker 3: a strong argument, but an argument that he was the
Speaker 3: best player in the entire sport. Conversely, a guy I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think of an example that's not Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 3: but a guy whose overall talent level is not nearly
Speaker 3: that player's level, who seems to consistently be getting the
Speaker 3: most out of it. We have massive admiration for those guys.
Speaker 3: And Bruce said this on TV yesterday and I'd never
Speaker 3: heard it put like this, and I think he's right
Speaker 3: that Jimmy's single best trait is his competitiveness. That that's
Speaker 3: what he is top three in the world at just
Speaker 3: raw competitiveness. And it did seem like he ran out
Speaker 3: of gas a bit. He didn't seem anywhere close to
Speaker 3: Joker when it came to best player on the court.
Speaker 3: And honestly, that's probably okay. And this is where even
Speaker 3: though I again I picked the heat, so I probably
Speaker 3: should have seen this part coming, but this is where
Speaker 3: it is worthwhile reminding people that if you don't have
Speaker 3: one of the twenty five greatest players in the history
Speaker 3: of the sport, or just let's just go the last
Speaker 3: fifty years, if you don't have one of the twenty
Speaker 3: best of the last fifty years, you're not winning a
Speaker 3: title unless you were on the four Pistons. If we
Speaker 3: can go from nineteen eighty to now, and it's like,
Speaker 3: who did the champions have, well, the entirety of the eighties,
Speaker 3: the champions were Kareem slash Magic Bird, Moses slash Doctor Jay, Isaiah.
Speaker 3: Those are all top twenty of the last fifty years,
Speaker 3: the nineties, Michael Jordan, Akeem Tim Duncan, check check check
Speaker 3: the two thousands, Shack slash Kobe, the four Pistons, d
Speaker 3: Wade slash Shack. I'm not gonna do this in exact order,
Speaker 3: but you guys are gonna follow me, of course. Duncan
Speaker 3: a bunch of times, Dirk Novitzky, Kevin Garnett, who is
Speaker 3: right there along with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen who
Speaker 3: are not but Kevin Garnett, Lebron, James, Steph Curry, Duncan,
Speaker 3: Somemore or Duncan again. Kawhi Leonard would be the other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he's not top twenty of the last fifty years.
Speaker 3: But he's a unique case because he was certainly trending
Speaker 3: towards that and his body betrayed him. And Giannis and
Speaker 3: Lebron again, and Steph again, and Durant with Steph and
Speaker 3: now Jokic, who's in there. Jimmy Butler's are not the
Speaker 3: best player on Champions typically, and they should not be
Speaker 3: crushed for that. It is a very unique thing that
Speaker 3: in the NBA post the seventies, essentially since the NBA
Speaker 3: ABA merger from nineteen eighty to now. The worst player
Speaker 3: who was the best player on a champion it is
Speaker 3: And again this is not an insult, but it is
Speaker 3: Chauncey and then Kawhi and then KG and Dirk. Those
Speaker 3: are the worst guys who were the best guys on
Speaker 3: a champion. Think about that, honestly. And so I don't
Speaker 3: think we should be in the business today of crushing
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler. I think that'd be ridiculous, all right. Next,
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray said that this title would be the first
Speaker 3: of many. Are we witnessing the beginning of the next
Speaker 3: NBA dynasty? And if not, who's standing in their way?
Speaker 3: So I want to pump the brakes on dynasty talk
Speaker 3: for now because there are a few things standing in
Speaker 3: their way. But before I get to that, where I
Speaker 3: do want to give the Nuggets credit and their front
Speaker 3: office credit, is they made a let's try to get
Speaker 3: a final piece of the puzzle trade in Michael I'm
Speaker 3: sorry and Aaron Gordon, and they got it. He was
Speaker 3: great for them. They made some very savvy pickups in
Speaker 3: KCP and Bruce Brown, and they built a champion. There
Speaker 3: are two things and they just made a trade recently,
Speaker 3: understanding that due to the new CBA they're not going
Speaker 3: to be able to be big free agent spenders. They
Speaker 3: grabbed another first round pick because they want cost certainty,
Speaker 3: they want young, cheap players. That's very smart. There are
Speaker 3: two things that would concern me if I were a
Speaker 3: Nuggets fan about could this be a dynasty? The first
Speaker 3: one is obvious, what do you have in Michael Porter Junior?
Speaker 3: Because I know what you have in his contract? Well,
Speaker 3: you have in his contract is four more years? Sorry,
Speaker 3: let me take a sip of this delicious Starbucks new
Speaker 3: sponsor of the show. What you have is another four years?
Speaker 3: And how much is it? Another one hundred and fifty million? Right?
Speaker 3: So four years one fifty left for Michael Porter Junie.
Speaker 3: That's a swallow, hardened hope situation. But the other question,
Speaker 3: and the biggest question too, can this team be a dynasty?
Speaker 3: Is not about Nikola Jokic. It is about Jamal Murray.
Speaker 3: How good is your second guy? Because if we are
Speaker 3: being honest, Klay Thompson, as great as he was pre injuries,
Speaker 3: was not good enough to be the second best guy
Speaker 3: on a dynasty. Was the second best guy own a champion,
Speaker 3: and it looked like he could be the second best
Speaker 3: guy on a dynasty, and you had Draymond Green there
Speaker 3: and they needed to go get Kevin Durant. Now, is
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray good enough to be the second best guy
Speaker 3: on a team that wins another title? I think on equivocally,
Speaker 3: Joe Dumars was there's a lot, you know, we can
Speaker 3: find that a team didn't really have a second best
Speaker 3: guy on the first team, on the second team at Clyde,
Speaker 3: but a dynasty you need Jamal to take a significant leap.
Speaker 3: And everybody, we do this weird thing where certain guys
Speaker 3: go from wildly underrated to a touch overrated without ever
Speaker 3: being properly rated. And I do fear that that is
Speaker 3: about to happen with Jamal Murray, because folks are gonna
Speaker 3: be throwing around the term superstar pretty liberally, and I
Speaker 3: just I think we are a couple leaps away from
Speaker 3: that for Jamal, unless you think this league's got twenty superstars.
Speaker 3: But unquestionably, I'm just looking at my club superstar right now.
Speaker 3: Guys who are currently better than Jamal. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: this is not in order, but it's just guys. Ad
Speaker 3: Jannis bron Dame Luca, Jimmy Tatum, Booker Durant, Steph Embiid Jokic,
Speaker 3: assuming he gets back on the court. Jah I think
Speaker 3: Donovan's better than him. I think Sga is better than him.
Speaker 3: Dearon Fox, it's at least a discussion Anthony Edwards. Certainly
Speaker 3: next year it's a discussion. I didn't mention Kawhi because
Speaker 3: we don't know how much he's gonna play. So now
Speaker 3: we're at seventeen eighteen guys. Jamal has turned himself into
Speaker 3: a star and a fringe top twenty player. I think
Speaker 3: he's a better player than Trey Young. I think he
Speaker 3: is a better player than Karl Anthony Towns. I think
Speaker 3: he's a better player at this point of his career
Speaker 3: after all the injuries to than Paul George. Certainly better
Speaker 3: than Bradley Beal. But if we're you're talking dynasty, he
Speaker 3: needs to take one more leap. I'm not saying he can't,
Speaker 3: but dynasty is a very And again I went over
Speaker 3: the the list of champions over the last forty years.
Speaker 3: If we do all the dynasties or semi dynasties in history,
Speaker 3: you have Russell Celtics you had Bill Russell, one of
Speaker 3: the five greatest players of all time, along with you know,
Speaker 3: a different collection of four or five other Hall of famers.
Speaker 3: You had the Lakers in the eighties that had the
Speaker 3: second and the fourth greatest players ever in Kareem and Magic,
Speaker 3: and even though Kareem near the end of that was
Speaker 3: on the downslope. And then you also had another Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer in James Worthy. Bird Celtics were not a dynasty.
Speaker 3: They won three total titles and never won back to back.
Speaker 3: Isaiah's Pistons were not a dynasty. Jordan's Bulls obviously were.
Speaker 3: You have the third greatest player ever, plus another no
Speaker 3: doubt Hall of famer could be the best player on
Speaker 3: a really good team, as he proved not a champion,
Speaker 3: but a really good team the very next year in
Speaker 3: Scottie Pippen. And then for the last three championships you
Speaker 3: added another no doubt Hall of famer and Dennis Robmin,
Speaker 3: who for the first two of those three championship was
Speaker 3: a great player and maybe the greatest coach ever. Shaq
Speaker 3: and Kobe's dynasty. You had Shaq and Kobe. Duncan's a
Speaker 3: weird one because it was it was a great run,
Speaker 3: but not necessarily a specific dynasty. With the first championship
Speaker 3: you had David Robinson that was still really good. Second
Speaker 3: championship kind of Duncan on his own, and then the
Speaker 3: next two you have Man who and Tony who are
Speaker 3: great players. Is your second best guy not really good
Speaker 3: enough to be the second best guy on most champions
Speaker 3: but your third best guy way better than most other teams.
Speaker 3: Third best guy plus the coach. And then the last one.
Speaker 3: Seven years after the fourth you add Kawhi Leonard to
Speaker 3: that young Kawhi Leonard, but still Kawhi Leonard. The Heat
Speaker 3: didn't really have a dynasty. They went to four championship.
Speaker 3: Do you have lebron and wait, and of course Chris
Speaker 3: Bosh is your third guy. Dynasty can't be throwing around
Speaker 3: dynasty that easily, guys. So I'd pump the brakes on that,
Speaker 3: but I would set if you set the over under
Speaker 3: on Joker career titles at one and a half, at
Speaker 3: this point, I would take the over. I think he
Speaker 3: gets one more. The other thing that hurts him in
Speaker 3: that regard is the late blooming, which was similar to
Speaker 3: Yannis like not amazing players right when they came in
Speaker 3: the league. They had to grow. But that right there
Speaker 3: is the most interesting and exciting to me NBA story
Speaker 3: of the next half decade. Joker and Yannis, a fight
Speaker 3: to be the apex predator of the league. Joker and Yannis.
Speaker 3: They both have two MVPs, they both have one title,
Speaker 3: they both have one all time playoff run. They both
Speaker 3: have one finals MVP. Jokers twenty eight, Yannis is twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Two twenty eight year olds in their prime. Go get it.
Speaker 3: That should be the rivalry of the next half decade.
Speaker 3: And then we see, you know, can Booker and Durant
Speaker 3: put a run together over the next couple of years?
Speaker 3: Can Luca get the right people around him? Does lebron
Speaker 3: an ad have one more run in them? That's out
Speaker 3: west and out east? Will Embiede ever have a run
Speaker 3: like this? So not looking like it. Can't close the
Speaker 3: door on it, though Tatum and Brown did. They kind
Speaker 3: of reach their ceiling. So and then there is the
Speaker 3: looming cloud of what will Victor Windbinyama actually be. So
Speaker 3: I'll fade the dynasty, but I'll buy another championship, all right,
Speaker 3: last one before we take a break, Nick, you left, yo,
Speaker 3: get you off your top fifty all time. That didn't
Speaker 3: age well. Where does he rank now? All right? When
Speaker 3: I did the fifty best of the last fifty years,
Speaker 3: Joker had won one league MVP ever, Okay had one
Speaker 3: playoff run to the conference finals. That was it. It
Speaker 3: was totally legitimate at the time to not have him
Speaker 3: in the top fifty. Now where would he slot in?
Speaker 3: So let's look at my top twenty five? I mean,
Speaker 3: so number twenty eight. I know I said twenty five,
Speaker 3: number twenty eight to Centa, though Patrick Ewing Joker obviously
Speaker 3: is ahead of him. I just want to check Jokers.
Speaker 3: So Joker's got three first team All NBAS, two second
Speaker 3: team All NBAS, obviously a two time MVP. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to try to keep this in my head. He's
Speaker 3: a two time MVP and how many I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to look up the things that I wait a lot.
Speaker 3: And he's got two other top five MVP finishes. He
Speaker 3: has a fourth and twenty nineteen and obviously a second
Speaker 3: this year. All right, So three first teams, two second teams,
Speaker 3: two MVPs, a finals MVP, and two other MVP top fives. Okay,
Speaker 3: so number twenty five in the last fifty years I
Speaker 3: had Harden. He's obviously ahead of Harden. Number twenty four
Speaker 3: I had stocked in Stockton, had's two first teams, six
Speaker 3: second teams, zero top five MVP finishes, but his all
Speaker 3: time counting stats are bananas. He's obviously had a Stockton.
Speaker 3: Number twenty three of the last fifty years I had
Speaker 3: David Robinson. He has four first teams, two second teams,
Speaker 3: one League MVP, two seconds and two thirds, and a
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year. He obviously also has two titles,
Speaker 3: one of which he was really good on. I think
Speaker 3: he's better than David Robinson. Number twenty two is Kevin Garnett.
Speaker 3: Four first teams, three second teams, one MVP, two seconds,
Speaker 3: five top five finishes. I think he's better than Kevin Garnett.
Speaker 3: Garnett we don't talk about it much, but Garnett had
Speaker 3: some real playoff struggles, and it wasn't justin Minnesota. He
Speaker 3: was not a guy you could give the ball to
Speaker 3: and just you knew he was gonna come. Three great
Speaker 3: defensive player all time defensive player Number twenty one's Chris Paul.
Speaker 3: He's now better than Chris Paul. It just is. That's
Speaker 3: what a championship does for you. Number twenty was a projection.
Speaker 3: If you remember I had Luca, you got to obviously
Speaker 3: have him ahead of Luca. Number nineteen I had was
Speaker 3: d w eight. I do not think he's better than
Speaker 3: d Waight yet, So right now, he would be for
Speaker 3: me the twentieth best of the last fifty years. And
Speaker 3: how many guys in all of NBA history would that leave? Obviously, Will,
Speaker 3: Russell and West would be the three super old timers
Speaker 3: I'd have ahead of him. I'd have him ahead of
Speaker 3: Oscar an Elgin and Mike and Impetitor. Just too hard.
Speaker 3: It's just too hard. You got to give credit for
Speaker 3: what they did, but come on. So that's where it
Speaker 3: would be for me. He would be the twentieth best
Speaker 3: of the last fifty years. The guys still to catch
Speaker 3: would be d Wade, Berkley, Karl Malone, and Karl Malone's
Speaker 3: a very unique one because his regular season resume is
Speaker 3: that of a top four player of all time and
Speaker 3: his postseason resume is not great. Two finals appearances. Is
Speaker 3: the best player but didn't really come through huge. But
Speaker 3: he also was a two time MVP, nine Top fives,
Speaker 3: eleven time first team all NBA third most points of
Speaker 3: all time. I have Dirk still out of him. Dirk,
Speaker 3: oddly is very underrated by some people. I don't quite
Speaker 3: get it Isaiah Thomas, who is wildly underrated by people,
Speaker 3: but they're just wrong. I just won't even engage them
Speaker 3: on it. And then Giannis, Durant, Moses, Doctor j Steph Shack,
Speaker 3: dream Bird, and we're getting a really hollowed ground. So
Speaker 3: my guess is Joker ends up somewhere in that top
Speaker 3: five fifteen of the last fifty and with a chance
Speaker 3: to crack the top twelve. The problem there is for
Speaker 3: any of these guys is Durant is still playing. He
Speaker 3: could climb, even though it's not likely. And Giannis is
Speaker 3: still playing, and I think he will climb. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be very interesting to see who climbs higher, Joker or Yannis.
Speaker 3: But that's where we are, and that's what a championship
Speaker 3: does for you. So here's what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 3: gonna take a very quick break, We're gonna come back.
Speaker 3: We're going to do a lightening round B block, and
Speaker 3: then I will try to spend some real time on
Speaker 3: your guys questions before I go to TV Today. But
Speaker 3: that was a forty minute, forty five minute opening segment
Speaker 3: paying tribute because we now have It's always exciting when
Speaker 3: the All Time Greats Club. Oh you know what, let's
Speaker 3: just stay here for a second. That's a fun exercise,
Speaker 3: the All Time Greats Club, when guys got admitted. Maybe
Speaker 3: I should do this on TV Today, Dusty, if you're
Speaker 3: watching from the first thing's first studio, text the show,
Speaker 3: but also like jot this down like all Time Greats
Speaker 3: date of admittance. I that's not Dusty texting me. I
Speaker 3: wish it were, though hopefully he's watching. So Nikola Jokic
Speaker 3: guy in the club in twenty twenty three. He is
Speaker 3: the latest guy in there, the most recent guy. I
Speaker 3: should say. No one was admitted last year. Jannis got in.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, no one was admitted. Kawhi looked
Speaker 3: like he was getting in, but no one got in
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. In twenty seventeen, Kevin Durant got in.
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, Steph Curry got in and twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: Lebron James got in. In twenty eleven, Dirk got in.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and three, Duncan got in. In two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, Shaq and Kobe both got in, and
Speaker 3: that's it. Those are the only guys all time. Oh
Speaker 3: you know what I in twenty eleven, their twenty twelve
Speaker 3: pardon me, it was Lebron and d Wade who got in.
Speaker 3: D Wade already had a ring, but he wasn't to
Speaker 3: that level yet. They both got in there, and that's it.
Speaker 3: I mean, of the last twenty years, those are the
Speaker 3: all time greats. And when they got in, Joker welcome
Speaker 3: to the club man. Pretty special stuff and he's in there. Congrats,
Speaker 3: Congrats to everyone, even Daniel quick break right back. What's right?
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have noticed, but I
Speaker 3: only break out the full NBA sweatsuit outfit on special days.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've crowned a new champion. We I
Speaker 3: just came up with the gimmick of you know, when
Speaker 3: someone got into All Time the All Time Great Club,
Speaker 3: and Joker's the newest guy in. It's like the Heisman House,
Speaker 3: except there's not a car dealership sponsoring it all right.
Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of sponsorships, I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't say on the air what type of car
Speaker 3: I was buying. I didn't end up buying it. I
Speaker 3: texted it privately to Matt. But what I will say
Speaker 3: is to well, you know what I shouldn't name car.
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know what I should do. We should
Speaker 3: have a car dealership sponsor, Matt, you know the car
Speaker 3: that I bought. See if that helps us get a
Speaker 3: car dealership sponsor. Okay, before we get to your questions
Speaker 3: rapid fire b block because I also have to do
Speaker 3: Colin Coward Show today, not not hosting, but go on
Speaker 3: with him. Sakuon Barkley not happy with a franchise tag. Uh,
Speaker 3: you even seemed to entertain the idea, at least temporarily,
Speaker 3: of holding out for the season. It's not really holding out,
Speaker 3: just refusing to sign the tag. Here's my advice for
Speaker 3: the Giants right now, he's tagged one year, just under
Speaker 3: eleven million bucks. He doesn't want to play on that.
Speaker 3: The Giants don't want to commit big money to a
Speaker 3: running back. I get it. He has said he doesn't
Speaker 3: need to reset the marketplace. What if you go to
Speaker 3: him with a contract offer of three years forty five
Speaker 3: million dollars. I sat on TV yesterday twenty million guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Let's up that to twenty two and a half million.
Speaker 3: Pardon me, twenty two and a half million guaranteed. So
Speaker 3: you tell Saquon listen, here's the deal. You will be
Speaker 3: paid like a top three running back. We will more
Speaker 3: than double the guaranteed money that you had on the
Speaker 3: franchise tag. It's fifteen million a year each to the
Speaker 3: next three and if something terrible happens this year, you
Speaker 3: still get all of this year's money and half of
Speaker 3: next year's money. If you're awesome this year, then you're
Speaker 3: gonna get all of this year's money and all of
Speaker 3: next year's money, and if you're awesome the next two years,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the full forty five million. If you're
Speaker 3: the Giants in a Vacuum or on Madden. I understand
Speaker 3: why committing even that type of money to a running back,
Speaker 3: especially you're a running back who's had some injury concerns,
Speaker 3: does not typically make sense. But this is where the
Speaker 3: human being component has to matter. You are trying to
Speaker 3: build on the momentum of last season and build a
Speaker 3: new culture in that organization. Saquan is the most popular
Speaker 3: and the most talented player in that locker room. It
Speaker 3: has massive negative downstream effects if you alienate him. So,
Speaker 3: just like guys end up having to take a haircut
Speaker 3: because teams don't want to deal with them in the
Speaker 3: locker room. Great guys and great leaders, you gotta pay
Speaker 3: a premium for Saquan. Is that that's what I would do? Uh?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Time? For a game this or that Aaron Gordon was
Speaker 3: kicked in the groin, but got called for a shooting
Speaker 3: fellow Jimmy Butler. The NBA is rigged or fair? All right?
Speaker 3: With the NBA is obviously not rigged. I don't know
Speaker 3: what's fair or what's not. But here's what I do know.
Speaker 3: I absolutely thought that call was going to stand. I
Speaker 3: like Van Gundy and Jackson. I know Demons disagreed with
Speaker 3: me on it, and we can show his tweet if
Speaker 3: we want, uh. The Daniel tweeted Demonse waiting for Demonze
Speaker 3: to tweet where he says the reps are making about themselves,
Speaker 3: and Demonte said that would be giving them the attention
Speaker 3: they are seeking. I won't do it. Well done, Son.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing Jimmy did not do on that play
Speaker 3: a wild kicking motion. His leg did extend, but it
Speaker 3: was at least semi reasonable, and Gordon ran through him.
Speaker 3: Now do I think that's a foul? No? Do I
Speaker 3: think it is close enough to being a foul that
Speaker 3: once they call it a foul on the floor, they're
Speaker 3: not going to overturn it exactly. So I wasn't shocked
Speaker 3: by that. I also don't think it was a bad challenge.
Speaker 3: It was late enough in the game and a critical
Speaker 3: enough moment it's worth the risk. But I did not
Speaker 3: think it was a clear cut, obvious this is getting overturned.
Speaker 3: I just didn't Next the rumors are swirling that if
Speaker 3: Houston misses out on hard and they could be interested
Speaker 3: in Kyrie, this would be a bad idea or the
Speaker 3: worst idea. It makes no sense. Kyrie to Houston. I
Speaker 3: have talked about, and I think other people have as well,
Speaker 3: that an interesting possible free agent destination for Chris Paul
Speaker 3: if he is released is san Antonio. Like, try to
Speaker 3: build a winning culture instantly for Wimbin Yama and get him,
Speaker 3: you know, a player who's gonna set him up and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. That's just like Kyrie to Houston, except
Speaker 3: the exact opposite. You have all these young, impressionable players.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't if I were the Rockets. I honestly, I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a player in the league that
Speaker 3: I'd be less interested in than Kyrie. And they can't
Speaker 3: win with or without him next year. Aaron Rodgers got
Speaker 3: the last six weeks and most fun he's had in
Speaker 3: a while. He's been on good behavior for speciously long time.
Speaker 3: Rogers will get through the offseason without an incident or
Speaker 3: with an incident. I think without an incident. Not only
Speaker 3: Rogers has a lot of major incidents. I just think
Speaker 3: he's a pain in the ass, but I think you'll
Speaker 3: get through it without an incident. Novak Djokovic when I
Speaker 3: was twenty third Grand Slam with the friend Joping this weekend,
Speaker 3: the best Serbian athlete right now is Djokovic or Joker.
Speaker 3: The best right now is Jovich. The best of all
Speaker 3: time is Djokovic, as he now is the most Grand
Speaker 3: slams ever, and some people would argue he is the
Speaker 3: greatest tennis player of all time. I probably unfairly have
Speaker 3: him as the third best. I know that's not fair.
Speaker 3: I know I can't really fully justify it. I just
Speaker 3: like nadolmore and I still think Federer is the best
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Uh. Also, I was on all cores
Speaker 3: and I was very upset after his visit to Tennessee
Speaker 3: when great DeAndre Hopkins is gonna be heading to the
Speaker 3: Patriots better fit Titans are Patriots neither, But if you
Speaker 3: got to pick one, go with the Titans. But the
Speaker 3: answer is neither. And lastly, I was Nick, you were
Speaker 3: so close to winning the Belmont Stakes along with your
Speaker 3: daughter Diana and her best friend Carras. Forte screwed me,
Speaker 3: though I basically made a bet that I would have
Speaker 3: won the Exacta, the Trifecta, and the Superfecta. All I needed.
Speaker 3: What I here was I will admit it was not
Speaker 3: the soundest gambling strategy ever, but here's what I did.
Speaker 3: There were nine horses in the race. There were three
Speaker 3: fifteen to one or longer shots. I eliminated those three,
Speaker 3: and then there was the favorite, Forte. I eliminated him too,
Speaker 3: And then I took horses two through six and put
Speaker 3: them in everything and boxed them in everything. And so
Speaker 3: what I needed was none of the long shots nor
Speaker 3: Forte to finish in the top two, and I would
Speaker 3: have won a little. If none of the long shots
Speaker 3: nor Forte finished in the top three, I would have
Speaker 3: won a lot. If none of the long shots nor
Speaker 3: Forte finished in the top four, it would now be
Speaker 3: called the What's Right Stakes. I think I would have
Speaker 3: owned the track, and it was all looking good until
Speaker 3: the stretch run when Forte came from fifth. Then he
Speaker 3: got to fourth, and I'm like, okay. The Superfecta was
Speaker 3: because my other horses were all there. My other horse
Speaker 3: is finished first, third, fourth, fifth, sixth I think, or first, third,
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth. But then Forte makes a really late
Speaker 3: kick and I'm like, oh, the trifecta is dead, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit the exactes so I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: And then literally at the wire, Forte puts his damn
Speaker 3: nose down and there is like all they put up
Speaker 3: on the screen is that Arcangelo won the race and
Speaker 3: then they say photo for second third And it took
Speaker 3: like five minutes and fourt a one and so I lost.
Speaker 3: The shame of it is and this is a true story.
Speaker 3: This man who really looked like he knew something and
Speaker 3: I should have just I'm so mad at myself. This
Speaker 3: is such a terrible job by me. This man walks
Speaker 3: up to me and I'm with my daughter and her
Speaker 3: best friend, the nine year old and her best friend.
Speaker 3: Before the race, says, Hi, shakes my hand, old, I
Speaker 3: think he's Italian guy. He then comes back like twenty
Speaker 3: minutes later with two twenty dollars tickets in his hand
Speaker 3: and he said, like, pulls me in close. He's like,
Speaker 3: Archangelo's got this. I bought a ticket for your two daughters.
Speaker 3: He thought they were both my daughter's fine. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 3: he's like yeah, he's seven to one. He's winning. And
Speaker 3: somehow I didn't recognize that as the sign from the
Speaker 3: gambling gods that it was that I should have just
Speaker 3: put all my money on Arcangelo, who won the race easily.
Speaker 3: And the only winners of that race were my two daughters,
Speaker 3: or sorry, my daughter and our best friend, who both
Speaker 3: had a twenty they're nine years old, had a twenty
Speaker 3: dollars seven to one ticket. They got paid out. And
Speaker 3: so the questionnaire is teaching Diana about the wars. Is
Speaker 3: a good idea or the best idea? It's the best idea.
Speaker 3: They had a wonderful time. They can't wait to go back.
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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in episode one fifty nine. What's right?
Speaker 3: We think right? The Nuggets are champions. I answer your questions. Now,
Speaker 3: Pat's nation Nick, Now that Nikola Jokicic has a title.
Speaker 3: Outside of EMBIID, who do you think is the most
Speaker 3: pressure to win a ring? So if we're talking about
Speaker 3: guys who have never won one, Embiid's obviously at the top,
Speaker 3: Harden is still very high. There will unfairly but sneakily
Speaker 3: be some added pressure on Luca. I wonder if if Jimmy,
Speaker 3: you know what, none of those are the right answer.
Speaker 3: It's Tatum. He's been to a finals, he's been first
Speaker 3: seam all NBA back to back years, been a top
Speaker 3: five MVP guy. I think the ship has probably sailed
Speaker 3: on hard and outside of EMBIID, I think it's Tatum next.
Speaker 3: Mister Brownstone says Can Denver's offensive system point center supplant
Speaker 3: the need for a second great player in your dynasty argument. No,
Speaker 3: not I don't believe so not to be a dynasty,
Speaker 3: because the other thing is teams in the West in
Speaker 3: particular are going to adjust, and they're going to adjust
Speaker 3: by just while there's been an emphasis on wings and
Speaker 3: three and d guys, there is now if you are
Speaker 3: a Western Conference team trying to win a title, you
Speaker 3: are going to spend a couple roster spots on seven
Speaker 3: footers just to spend thousand minutes up. So no, I
Speaker 3: still think to be a dynasty, I still think you
Speaker 3: need the second start. Jake Fisher says, do you think
Speaker 3: the successive Giannis and Jovis will cause other teams to
Speaker 3: be more patient with high upside young players? They should be. Now,
Speaker 3: those guys are special all timers, but yes, they should be.
Speaker 3: Vkc Asks or vic cs. Was this Jimmy's best chance?
Speaker 3: What do you think pat Riley is cooking something up? Oddly?
Speaker 3: I think last year might have been his best chance.
Speaker 3: I think they could have beaten the Warriors, but they
Speaker 3: didn't get there. As far as pat Riley cooking something up,
Speaker 3: He's always cooking something up. I do wonder if that's
Speaker 3: where Kyrie goes. I'm not saying that's where he goes,
Speaker 3: but I wonder if that's on the board. Nathan Berger says,
Speaker 3: thoughts on Christian Brown winning three high school state titles,
Speaker 3: an NCAA title, and now the NBA Finals. I was
Speaker 3: one of his high school teammates from Kansas. We'll shout
Speaker 3: out to you, Nathan Berger, who you also it would
Speaker 3: appear are a state champion. I think it's great, and
Speaker 3: I do think he's a winning player. He's obviously never
Speaker 3: gonna be a great player, but he's a winning player
Speaker 3: and a hard nosed, tough player. I like him. Alex
Speaker 3: asked at graduation, will do yours? Principal caller Diora, what's right? No,
Speaker 3: it would have made me prouder than you could imagine,
Speaker 3: but she opted against it. All right, fun show, I
Speaker 3: gotta run, I gotta get to work. I'll see you,
Speaker 3: by the way, No show Thursday. My daughter's graduating. I'll
Speaker 3: see you guys on Tuesday. What's right,