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Speaker 1: when they drafted Khalil Mack, and he said, after like

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Speaker 1: the second OTA practice, it was so abundantly clear that

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack was the best player on their team. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't even funny. And sometimes you just know right away.

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Speaker 1: Now it's harder with later round draft picks because in

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Speaker 1: football you're not wearing pads at practice. But I knew

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Speaker 1: early on when Kyle had to change his offense for

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance and then to a running offense, kind of

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Speaker 1: like what Lamar did as a young player or what

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Speaker 1: he did with RG three. But Trey wasn't a very

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Speaker 1: good runner. I'm like, I don't think it's gonna work,

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Speaker 1: and my gut, I don't. It's not like Kyle texts

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Speaker 1: me this. It's like, I can't imagine Kyle likes doing

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Speaker 1: this at all. And then when they got Brock Purdy,

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Speaker 1: he can just run Kyle's offense. And he told Jed York,

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Speaker 1: I think this guy's gonna eventually be our starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I think, now, listen, did anyone have any clue

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Speaker 1: that he could be a starting quarterback and throw thirty

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Speaker 1: plus touchdowns and help them get to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: No chance. But I do think you can like someone,

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Speaker 1: and I do think you can know, especially these coaches

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Speaker 1: with a guy running their offense or their defense, like

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Speaker 1: we got something here mentally on a different level. And

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00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: that's an element that coaches don't talk about publicly. A

449
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Speaker 1: lot the stuff that you know we see the plays.

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Speaker 1: I remember Andy Reid told me this years ago. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the thing about Tyreek Hill that no one

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Speaker 1: talks about because he's catching all these touchdowns and he

453
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Speaker 1: runs by everyone, is he's one of the smartest guys

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Speaker 1: on the team. He's like, I can tell him a

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Speaker 1: play because they're constantly doing shit in practice right inventing plays.

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Speaker 1: I can tell him one time exactly what to do

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Speaker 1: and he remembers forever. The football IQ in the heyday

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Speaker 1: of Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey and Tyreek Hill was off

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Speaker 1: the fucking charts. Now party doesn't have those guys talent.

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Speaker 1: He was a seventh rounder for a reason. Like a

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Speaker 1: lot of his talent is the intangible stuff picked up

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Speaker 1: Kyle's offense, like that understood the Reids, like that makes

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Speaker 1: the correct decisions, like that is accurate, like that, So

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Speaker 1: coaches listen. Sometimes the pushback of people in the front office,

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Speaker 1: the scouts, the GMS is we like talent, we like

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Speaker 1: physical attributes because over the course of time, if you

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Speaker 1: coach that guy up, he can be a really good player.

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Speaker 1: And coaches like people. Ideally you get Tyreek Hill, who's

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Speaker 1: an elite talent and smart right football wise, so you

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Speaker 1: can give him everything, right, that's what like Kobe Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you know Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, like you get the

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Speaker 1: total package, ray Lewis. Most guys are somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: middle super talented, have some deficiencies not as talented, make

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Speaker 1: up for it with try harden and work ethic and smarts. Right,

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Speaker 1: when you get the guy that's Peyton Manning or Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: you've become an unstopped Aaron Rodgers start rattling off MVPs

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Speaker 1: and dominating. Right. But rock Perty is a great example

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Speaker 1: of someone who was valued more with the coaches immediately

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Speaker 1: than us on the outside. And I think looking back

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Speaker 1: when the Niners kept him on the roster, listen took

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Speaker 1: mult it took a broken foot, for an ankle from

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance and a broken foot from Jim Garoppolo. But

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Speaker 1: the coaches liked him, and they liked him early and

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Speaker 1: anytime as a player, and I would recommend this to

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Speaker 1: any guy. The faster you can learn the playbook, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a as a mid to later round guy, the

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Speaker 1: faster you could make plays in training camp that impress

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Speaker 1: the coaches. It's just it's a tried and true formula. Obviously,

489
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Speaker 1: effort and being early and being a good guy, all

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Speaker 1: that shit matters. But the easiest way to make a

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Speaker 1: team is not just make plays. It's to know what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Obviously you have to have the talent, but

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Speaker 1: if you get drafted, you have football talent. But you'd

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Speaker 1: be shocked how many guys struggle to know what they're

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Speaker 1: doing because it's complex. A lot of these guys come

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Speaker 1: from offenses. What I hear, what was the stat they

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Speaker 1: had someone the amount of guys in this upcoming draft

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Speaker 1: that were under center. It's like forty seven snaps. I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to screw it up, but I remember

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Speaker 1: one time they asked a guy, they asked how many

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Speaker 1: guys at a senior Bowl? This was you years ago

502
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Speaker 1: had never been under center in college, and like every

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Speaker 1: quarterback raised their hand. So what you're doing in college

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Speaker 1: while you're playing football at quarterback, it doesn't parallel what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna end up doing in the pros. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you can't figure it out or learn it or transition,

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Speaker 1: but it is difficult for a lot of guys. And

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Speaker 1: I think brock perty is a good example of one

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Speaker 1: of his traits that when everyone's like this good not

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Speaker 1: good enough, like you know, half the league struggles making

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Speaker 1: the right decision. I think a lot of guys, like

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Speaker 1: once you become a starting quarterback or in the league,

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good idea. Like when you're in a

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Speaker 1: meeting room, I can tell you what we're supposed to

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Speaker 1: do against this coverage, when it's this play call, what's

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Speaker 1: audible in when they're giving you this look. A lot

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Speaker 1: of guys can do that great on a whiteboard in

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Speaker 1: the meeting room with a quarterback coach and the offensive

519
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Speaker 1: coordinator's like, shit, this guy knows what he's talking about,

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Speaker 1: can talk football like they're Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Then there's a smaller percentage once you take them to

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Speaker 1: the field in practice. The do that. If you can

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Speaker 1: do that, you're gonna impress some people. And then there's

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Speaker 1: the next level of like how about the game when

525
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Speaker 1: you have no clue what? Because that's why training camp

526
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Speaker 1: in the preseason games are so much different than the

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Speaker 1: regular season because you're going up against the defense in

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Speaker 1: a preseason game that is just running their stuff. This is,

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Speaker 1: for the most part, running pretty blad looks. It's not

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Speaker 1: a game plan. Look well, once Week one hits, I'm

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Speaker 1: playing whoever, Mike McDonald, vic Fango, you name it, who

532
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Speaker 1: at Wink, Martindale, dan Quinn, Who are giving me all

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Speaker 1: these looks? Spagnola, They're like, God, I didn't see this

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Speaker 1: on tape. I didn't know this was coming. And can

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Speaker 1: you still function when you don't know the answers to

536
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Speaker 1: the test? Because that's football. You don't know the answers

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Speaker 1: to the test when you go into a game. That's

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Speaker 1: what makes Patrick, Mahomes and Brady all these guys that

539
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Speaker 1: can sustain it forever at such a high level. It's like,

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00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, football genius. And that's one element of Purdy's game. Listen,

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Speaker 1: he does not have the strongest arm, and he's definitely

542
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Speaker 1: not the tallest quarterback, so it's not easy for him

543
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Speaker 1: to see, and he gets some balls batted sometimes, but

544
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: his knowledge of what to do in big spots. He's

545
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: also a very instinctive player, and this goes back to

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Speaker 1: the draft when they drafted Trey Lance. I watched Trey Lance.

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Speaker 1: I went to a lot of practices with Trey Lance,

548
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Speaker 1: and I watched all his snaps in the four games

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Speaker 1: that he started. He's not a natural. He doesn't feel

550
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Speaker 1: natural like he just you watched him. If something felled off,

551
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: he didn't play fast right, and he was a, you know,

552
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid player when you watch some of

553
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: these young Herbert right Away, who's a hybrid, big athlete

554
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: can move. The game came very natural to him. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a perfect player by any means.

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Speaker 1: It just flowed. He played fast. And that's one thing

557
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Speaker 1: with brock Perdy. Now when he gets in trouble, when

558
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: he feels a little overwhelmed, he definitely doesn't. But he

559
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Speaker 1: is a guy that as the game goes, he's a

560
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Speaker 1: very instinctive and natural player, and that's how he makes

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Speaker 1: up for some of his physical limitations. Obviously benefits from

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Speaker 1: a good coordinator and good talent around him. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty telling quote that it's why

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Speaker 1: I said this entire offseason, Trey Lance was done. He

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Speaker 1: was never going to be the backup quarterback. They had

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald to be the backup quarterback, and everyone in

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Speaker 1: you know, some of these gutter rats as I call

568
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Speaker 1: him on the internet, the big Niner fans that for

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Speaker 1: some reason wanted Trey Lance to be the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, he's not. They signed Trail, they signed

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. He's gonna be the backup. Party's gonna start

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Speaker 1: if he's healthy, and Sam Donald's gonna be the backup.

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Speaker 1: I didn't quite know they were going to trade him

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Speaker 1: before week one. But do you know what that tell?

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Speaker 1: What Jed told you today, Kyle had kind of turned

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Speaker 1: on Trey two years ago, that said, this guy can't

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Speaker 1: run my offense. And I'll say this, it was a

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Speaker 1: monumental mistake. It's why you don't make decisions out of

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Speaker 1: desperation anything in life. Right, if you're fighting with your wife,

580
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: don't try to have a kid to save the marriage. Right.

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Speaker 1: If you know, if you're going bankrupt, I wouldn't recommend

582
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: going to Vegas and putting it all on black right,

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Speaker 1: or put it all on one stock to hopefully double right.

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Speaker 1: Just sometimes when you are in a desperate situation, you

585
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: just got to take a deep but when you know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be able to pivot. One of Belichick's greatest strengths.

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00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: I always thought as a head coach, he missed a

588
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Speaker 1: lot of picks, right, he'd get rid of them after

589
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: like two or three years. Like God, Bill just draft

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Speaker 1: a guy in the second round, like a year and

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Speaker 1: a half ago. He's already traded, and he had the

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Speaker 1: equity and the juice to do that. Most guys do not,

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Speaker 1: and they play it out forever. The Jets were done

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Speaker 1: with Zach Wilson two years ago. They were done with them.

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Speaker 1: But it's like Aaron Rodgers can save them, and they

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Speaker 1: kept him. They should have got rid of him when

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Speaker 1: they knew and he would have had some value. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you get rid of him for like a third round

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Speaker 1: pick or whatever. This after a second year, even as

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Speaker 1: ugly as it was, because someone would have still been

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Speaker 1: desperate enough. And now they're in a position when no

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Speaker 1: one's touching that guy, probably have to cut them. So

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00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I just think that Listen, they made a mistake and

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Speaker 1: they got lucky. You know that the seventh rounder can

605
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: really play. But once they knew it, they pivoted, and

606
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: they pivoted fast. So and that's a big reason why

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Speaker 1: they're here right now. I don't eve think they're a

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Speaker 1: playoff team with Trey Lance and Jimmy Garoppolo is terrible now.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes the football gods, when you're aggressive, take care

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Speaker 1: of you. Last, but not least, speaking about the Jets,

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Speaker 1: the report that there was a long athletic article by

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Speaker 1: Diana Russini and some other guy, like an in depth

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Speaker 1: just I mean, pretty salacious stuff on the Jets. And

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00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: the thing that stood out to me the most was

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Speaker 1: Robert Sala. Remember there was a there was a report

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Speaker 1: late November early December after Zack Wilson had I think

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Speaker 1: he got a concussion and been kind of benched and

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00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: they were going to go back to him, and one

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Speaker 1: of the reports was Zach Wilson didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: back and like didn't want the job back, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't want to go back, and you guys kind of

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00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: gave up on me. And then remember Aaron Rodgers went

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Speaker 1: on McAfee and talked a bunch of shit, like who's

624
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: leaking this stuff? And then Robert Sawa called a staff

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: meeting and basically called every single coach out on his staff, saying,

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Speaker 1: if you come clean right now of a story that

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00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: was true, I won't hold it against you. And I'm

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00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: threatened into like check phones. And I think the reason

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Speaker 1: you're in those positions is because of the situation they

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00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: put themselves in with Aaron Rodgers. If they had just

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Speaker 1: played it out, and I don't blame them for trading

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, but the moment you did that, it

633
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: threw the whole building off kilter because everything was dependent

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Speaker 1: on him. And one line in that article is like

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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is in the assistant GM, Joe Douglas's essentially

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00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the boss. And I think that's pretty risky, man,

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00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: and it clearly blew up. And Robert Sawa is a

638
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: high character, good guy. People really like him. But when

639
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: you find yourself like in this situation where everyone feels

640
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: like they're holding on for dear life, and the moment

641
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Rogers gets injured, everyone kind of SCRAMs like a cockroach.

642
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: And when roberts All calling out as coaching staff, Robert,

643
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not one guy, it's probably seven guys in there,

644
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: like no one trusts the operation right now. And this

645
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: gets back to when you can't have a long term

646
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: vision and the willingness to not get in these desperate situations.

647
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: And one of the stories was that Robert Sala didn't

648
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: want to draft Sick Wilson. He wanted to keep Sam

649
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Darnold and to trade the pick. So already all these

650
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: stories and they just relieved basically the number two in command,

651
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: Rex Hogan, the other day. So I think put the

652
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle together. He was probably a leaker.

653
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: But when not everyone's on the same page and everyone

654
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: starts backstabbing each other, because that happens all the time

655
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL, your organization is fucked. Like that group

656
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: and cohort of people is done. I picked the Jets

657
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: to I think win the division this year, but I

658
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: definitely thought if Rogers played all seventeen games, they would

659
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: be a playoff game. I don't think that's necessarily a

660
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: fact looking back, because their offensive line was so bad.

661
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Here's what I do know, no matter what happens this offseason,

662
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm betting against the Jets. Their coordinator feels well over

663
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: his head. I don't think Nathaniel Hackett knows what he's doing.

664
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: Robert Sala has clearly lost control of his operation because

665
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: everyone the reality, you know, the shitty part about football

666
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: is like this ultimate team game. But when things start

667
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: going poorly, like players are getting a lot of money,

668
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: so whatever, I can point the finger a little bit,

669
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: But if I'm making seven million, who cares. I'll keep

670
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: playing hard as a coach, you know, like he'll easily

671
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: point the finger at me, and if he gets fired,

672
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fired too. So everyone kind of starts

673
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: fighting for themselves. Yet the entire message of the coaching

674
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: staff is like stay together, team, fight through adversity. Yet

675
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: the moment there's adversity, all these guys making five hundred grand,

676
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: a two or three million non head coach and the

677
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: head coach making seven eight nine million start just stabbing

678
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: each other in the back. The funniest part about this

679
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: article is the main salacious line of Robert Sala getting

680
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: all of his coaches in a room calling out who

681
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: leaked the article? Was this article with the leak about

682
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: that thing happening. So it's like it's just NonStop leaks

683
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: that the damn is broken, it's a fucking disaster, and

684
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: that there's no way to rein it in. And a

685
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: huge part of this is winning really makes everybody happy.

686
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: It was well reported. I said this, but other people

687
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: have said it's still wink. Martindale and Brian Damol's relationship

688
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: was the exact same two years ago, was the exact same.

689
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: He couldn't stand him. But they made the playoffs. They

690
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: were the sixth seed. They were in the second round

691
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. So when you win, it's like, even

692
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: when you don't like each other, Hey, every things are

693
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: going well, we're all getting praise. You do it. The

694
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: moment you start heading toward the top five in the draft,

695
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: that's when the machetes come out. I just watched the

696
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: show on Netflix. Is it Grizzadella. You know, it's this

697
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: famous drug lord who lived in Miami, who did a

698
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: bunch of business with Pablo in the cocaine era in

699
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: like the eighties. It's just, you know, they're just beheading people.

700
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a war zone. It's like a

701
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: more chaotic mafia. I mean, you'll just cut someone's head off,

702
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: leave them in the middle. Of the street. It's crazy.

703
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: No one dies in the NFL. But it's the same mentality,

704
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: you know. It's like always, I'm a sucker for mob shows.

705
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: You give me any mob show, gaudy, Yeah, any of

706
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: the Godfather you name, real movies, shows, docuseries, Narcos, Netflix,

707
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I'll watch it all. They all tend to like sign

708
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: this code and be loyal to each other. The moment

709
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: shit falls off the rails, everyone always turns on each other.

710
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: It's actually a great kind of example of human psychology

711
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: because I truly believe when you're making money in the

712
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: mob or in the cartel, like and you're a higher

713
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: up guy, like you're hand in hand with everybody, but

714
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: the moment your asses on the firing line, like, hey,

715
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to jail for fifty years. Hey you're

716
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: gonna go to jail for that murder. Well, hey, I

717
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: might have murdered one guy, but let me tell you

718
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: about the boss who murdered seventeen. And it's they start

719
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: singing like a canary. Those old days of maybe the

720
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: forties and fifties where people stay quiet, that clearly ended

721
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: toward the eighties and nineties, and right now that I

722
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't trust the soul if I was in criminal activity

723
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: to keep their mouth shut when things went wrong. Same

724
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: thing always happens in the NFL. The moment adversity is

725
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: the wrong, the moment you start losing, and the moment

726
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: controversy surround your team. In terms of players and players acquisition,

727
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: no one ever wants to take play. You see what

728
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons like? How I understand Arthur Smith did

729
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: not do a good job. Listen, his team was headed

730
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: nowhere the quarterback situation, But like, was he alone in

731
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: all this? Like what about the Terry Fontino and Richd McKay.

732
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: They're like, oh yeah, just this idiot, not my fault,

733
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: not my problem. So the Jets, man, if they were

734
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: a stock, I would short them, and I would short

735
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: them hard. And they're not even expensive stock right now. Okay,

736
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: let's dive in to the Middlecoff mailbag. Very easy to

737
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: get involved at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the

738
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: Instagram DM's wide open fire in from Luis. I can't

739
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: express how much I like your content. I like this guy. Question,

740
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: what do you think about the new GM hirings? Well,

741
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: let's go around the league. Adam Peters love it my

742
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: guy bias, but he's a stud. I think that's that's

743
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: a no brainer. Dan Morgan, I met him years ago

744
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: when I was scouting. Obviously I had followed his career

745
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: as a player. I just think that's a very, very

746
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: difficult job. It's just so hard, I mean, to work

747
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: for temper. We'll see. I mean, I thought he was

748
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: the number two guy forever, so maybe they have a

749
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: pre existing relationship. Maybe he's less likely to kind of

750
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: walk all over, you know, former linebacker than he would

751
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: just some former scout. But that's not an easy gig.

752
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Who else the Raiders to LESCo. I think they definitely

753
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: needed to hire a guy with experience. Hiring a head

754
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: coach who's I mean only been coaching four or five years.

755
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's only been in the NFL as a

756
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: coach a couple of years now, So totally understand that.

757
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: I actually makes a lot of sense if you're gonna hire,

758
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: if you hire Antonio Pierce, you could not hire a

759
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: first time GM destined to fail. So I like that hire.

760
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: And the Patriots I don't even know. I think I

761
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: saw they're not even guaranteed to hire a GM, not

762
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: quite sure how that's gonna work, but kind of a

763
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: bizarre situation. Decided to give your show a try and

764
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: love it. We've got some nice people today. Anyways, Bears fan,

765
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a lock we take Caleb, but our

766
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: second round pick in the first round. I could see

767
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: us trading our second pick in the first round. Do

768
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: you think we get enough value for it to be

769
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: worth it? I think it depends. If you could move

770
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: a couple spots back from like nine to fourteen and

771
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: accumulate I don't know, a couple seconds, then I think

772
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: you would think about doing it. But if you could

773
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: get Caleb and still get one of the best players

774
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: in the draft, assuming three or four quarterbacks also go

775
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: because if three quarterbacks go, right, if Caleb goes and

776
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: then may Jayden Daniels and one other guy that would

777
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: be for that would mean one of your I've been

778
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: saying this, one of your top five players in the

779
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: draft you're gonna get. So I would be very very

780
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: into doing that question for the bag. Lifelong Jets fan, which,

781
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, has been rough. I recently read

782
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: the Athletic article that I talked about it earlier on

783
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the podcast. While I've been prepared for the twenty four

784
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: season to not live up to expectations, even with Aaron Rodgers.

785
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: The article put the nail in the coffin and continues

786
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: to expose the fundamental issues within the Jets organization. I'm

787
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: of the belief that the issue stem from the top,

788
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: with Woody Johnson and the people he brings in to

789
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: manage the operations. Are you of the same belief. What

790
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: are some concrete ways to fix the organization? I think

791
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: as long as Roger's there and they're all in, this

792
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: is kind of the situation. You just you either get

793
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: a fantastic season out of a forty year old that's

794
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: coming off of torn Achilles and you make the playoffs

795
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: and everyone kind of rejoices, or you win seven eight

796
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: games and it's a disaster and Rogers just retires. That's

797
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: kind of what I would bet on the year seven

798
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: and ten, eight and nine team. It doesn't go well

799
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: and you're not a playoff team. If I was a

800
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: betting man, That's what I would bet. But after that,

801
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: you don't fire owners. You're stuck with Woody Johnson like

802
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: nothing changes. So even if you fired Joe Douglas, Robert Sala.

803
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: Rogers retires after a down year. It's clearly he's not

804
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: the same guy. You're just you're doing it all over again.

805
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: You're just going to hire the next Joe Douglas and

806
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Robert Sala, which is kind of proven now. It's very,

807
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: very difficult for it to work there. I've always wanted

808
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: to coach since the second I realized I wasn't talent

809
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: enough to get a scholarship. I got a degree in

810
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: sports administration at Boise State, and I'm wondering if you

811
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: have any suggestions for me on getting into the industry

812
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: intern with the athletic and media relations. But that ended

813
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: during COVID and I feel like I've hit a dead end.

814
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I have the passion and knowledge for football, and I

815
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: want to share. The one advice I always give to

816
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: people is if you're still around the program, right they

817
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: just got a new coach who I guess he was

818
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: the interim coach and they hired. If you still live

819
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: in that area, see if you can help out the

820
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: program recruiting coordinator. Just get your foo in the door.

821
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: I was talking mentor would be strong, but I helped.

822
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: I gave advice to this guy and it did you know,

823
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: the COVID hit and it didn't really work out. And

824
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: he called me back and he's like, I have an

825
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: offer to go work at like a financial institution, and

826
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: I would imagine make six figures. And he's like, it's

827
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: very difficult, Like my sports career, working in sports hasn't

828
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: really taken off. And I said, listen, I don't have

829
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: a have no issue with anyone deciding to pivot a career,

830
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: but just know this. Once you do that, you know,

831
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: even at twenty four, twenty five years old, and this

832
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: guy had a degree from a Power five program, you're

833
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: probably never coming back. We were talking. My girlfriend got like,

834
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: she's in real estate and they center the thing for

835
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: taxes how much he made last year, and I was like,

836
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: at the she's younger than me. She just turned thirty one,

837
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty one, thirty two, And I was like,

838
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: I never made that much money up until I was

839
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: like thirty five. Hell I didn't. I haven't made that

840
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: much money in sports, doing this, working in the league,

841
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: working in radio, I mean good, really good money till

842
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: probably four or five years ago. And if I ever

843
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: would have been in a position at twenty eight making

844
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: a couple hundred grand, like most of my friends were doing,

845
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: most people I went to college were doing. I never

846
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: would have pursued this, But when you're used to not

847
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: making any money, you're just kind of in it and

848
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: you just keep swinging the pick and listen. There's no

849
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: guarantee things are going to work out. It's part of life.

850
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: But once you I would do everything you can to

851
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: get your foot in the door however you want, if

852
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: it's truly a passion, because the moment you pivot and

853
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: go get a job at Bank of America or Wells

854
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Fargo or insurance company or sell medical devices, it's going

855
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: to be impossible to pivot back because then maybe you

856
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: meet a girl, you get married, you have a kid.

857
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: It's very, very difficult. It's so much easier to do

858
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: this shit when you're young, It really is. If you're

859
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: wired like to me money and even now that I

860
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: make it, it doesn't mean it. It doesn't do anything to me.

861
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I like making it, and I

862
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: like investing it, and I like doing all that stuff,

863
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: but it doesn't It gives me no feels inside, nothing.

864
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: So it was easy for about from the moment I

865
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: was graduated college up until I would say about nineteen

866
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: twenty to just it didn't phaze me as much. But

867
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: that's not for everybody. But the moment you get out

868
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: because you no matter what you do, you start low.

869
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: Eric Spolster just got whatever, one hundred and fifty million dollars.

870
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: The most famous picture of him is in the video department,

871
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: probably making fifteen grand for the Miami Heat twenty years

872
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: ago or twenty five years ago. That's most guys, you know,

873
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: most guys start. I remember Duce Staley, who's now probably

874
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: made millions of dollars as a coach at this point,

875
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: and he's the running back coach for the Browns. When

876
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I first got hired with the Eagles, I used to

877
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: pick up Deuce every single day at the Marriotte and

878
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: take him to work. You didn't have a car. Stay

879
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: at the Marriott. I would imagine at the time he's

880
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: making thirty grand or whatever. I mean, he didn't. He

881
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: wasn't even a quality control coach. He was just like

882
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: a coaching intern that coach re just kept on because

883
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: it was clear like Deuce was a stud and our

884
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: quality control coach at the time, which might have paid

885
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: sixty seventy grand maybe low, maybe high. I don't know

886
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: the exact amount. Was Matt Naggy, Actually it wasn't Matt Naggy.

887
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: He was lower than that. It was Doug Peterson. So

888
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: you just and the this is the NFL these Doug

889
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Peterson fucking Super Bowl champ now in former NFL quarterback

890
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Duce Staley was played in the league for almost ten years.

891
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: You gotta be willing to go through the dirt and

892
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you just got to do whatever. I wasn't gonna be denied.

893
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna find a way in. And then once

894
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: I was in, I'm like, oh, there's not much money

895
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: here at the bottom. The only thing that kept me

896
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 1: going is I was always around people that were making

897
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Right when you work worked in college,

898
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: coach Hill was making a couple of million dollars. Not

899
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: that I was going to be a head coach in college,

900
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: but so you just knew that there was money in

901
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: the business. And then when I got to the NFL,

902
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: obviously the GM coach, everyone's making a lot of money

903
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: beside me. And even in radio, like working around Greg Poppa,

904
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: who was making a ton you could just see like

905
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: there was money and you just had to find your

906
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: way to fucking climb up that ladder. If Brock wins

907
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and Kirk Cousins becomes available, do you

908
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: think Kyle would take him? And do you think Brock's

909
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: future if he wins or loses. Uh? I don't think

910
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: win or lose, Kirk Cousins is coming to the Niners. So

911
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: I think Brock perty is going nowhere. I mean, he'd

912
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: have to throw seven interceptions, and even then, I think

913
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: he's in the starting quarterback next year. What are your

914
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on the whole Mahomes, Kelsey and Tucker situation. Clearly

915
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are trying to push a narrative that Tucker

916
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: was in the wrong, but they are failing to talk

917
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: about the fact that they were out warming up before

918
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: the schedule team warmups. I've never been an NFL player,

919
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know the exact rules on the warmups,

920
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: but before quote unquote official warm ups, I used to

921
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been I don't know, fifty NFL games.

922
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: That might be high, but let's just thirty NFL games.

923
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: And whenever I every game I've gone to, cause the

924
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: first game I ever went to was when I worked

925
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL, so basically from twenty ten till a

926
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. If I work in a media,

927
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: I would go to the game really early, like hours before,

928
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: like three hours before, and go on the field. It's

929
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: a great time to kind of, you know, bullshit with

930
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: the coaches, talk to people. Players are everywhere. There is

931
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: no like segmented. You can stand here, you can't stand here, listen.

932
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't spend that much time on

933
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: that story. I don't really care. Part of it is

934
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: like I don't know, he's a kicker. I mean, I

935
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: know he's the greatest kicker I've ever seen, You've ever seen.

936
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: I just don't really care. I also think it's kind

937
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: of a free for all. You're allowed to kind of

938
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: warm up wherever you want. This is before you put

939
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: on the pads, right, you know, three hours before the game.

940
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: You go out to a game. Let's just pick two teams.

941
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: Let's pick the Cowboys and the Eagles. If I just

942
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: went out three hours before a game Cowboys Eagles, you

943
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: might find like Micah Parsons and shorts and a T

944
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: shirt doing a stretch over there, and you know, Tony

945
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: Pollard in one corner working out and aj Brown and

946
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox doing their Like everyone's kind of everywhere. Everyone

947
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: actually is kind of kind of talked to some guys.

948
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: You might see some former teammates lightly say what's up.

949
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: You definitely see the coaches on different staffs kind of bullshitting.

950
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's almost like a driving range.

951
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: You just kind of can do whatever you want. There's

952
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: not like some strict rules. I just read the article

953
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: in The Athletic any interest in talking about Zach Wilson's

954
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: story being leaked where he said he didn't want to start.

955
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: The article said at one point Salah held a coaches

956
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: meeting and demanded cell phones. Personally, if my boss tried

957
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: to demand to look through my phone, I'd tell them

958
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: to kick rocks. But is that common thing to occur

959
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. When I worked in the NFL, I

960
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: didn't even know that many people in the media. I

961
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: would been terrified to give any inside information. But the

962
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: longer you've been in it, you kind of become numb

963
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: to it. Like here, I talked about it earlier on

964
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: the podcast, But think about this, If I think there's

965
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: a chance we're all getting fired, and I don't really

966
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 1: like the guys I work with. Why do I care?

967
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: The other thing is you're less likely to leak. Like,

968
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: let's face it, when the Wink Martindale story broke, I

969
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: piggyback it off it it broke with Jay Lazer. What

970
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: do you think jay Lazer got that story? What do

971
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: you think you got it? I don't want to source

972
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: guests here, but you got it from Wink Martindale. When

973
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: you're rich and you're older, you don't give a shit.

974
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. When you don't respect who you're

975
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: working for, you really don't care. Do you notice not

976
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: that many stories come out about Andy Reis or Bill

977
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Belichick this way? I mean, obviously Belichick some stories come,

978
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: but they're all coming from the owner. Even Pete Carroll,

979
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: like the last year's not perfect, there weren't that many

980
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: crazy leaks. Why Because you know you're working for a

981
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: Hall of famer. You know this guy is gonna be

982
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: the greatest recommendation you're ever gonna get. Even if you

983
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: disagree with stuff, you kind of keep your mouth shut.

984
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: Look at Kyle and McVay. It happens to bad organizations

985
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: and coaches who other coaches don't think are good because

986
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: you would never if you're working for Nick Saban and

987
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: something happened leak to someone about Nick Saban one, I

988
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: don't think they'd write it. Like Deanna Rassini would not

989
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: write something right now like this, even if something similar

990
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: happened about Andy Reid, Kyle Shanana, Sean McVay. Those guys

991
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: have too much power, you know, when the media really attacks,

992
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: when they see the house on fire, you wouldn't write

993
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: this because you're like, the Chiefs will never let me around,

994
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers will cut me off. Do you

995
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: know what these reporters are looking at with the jets?

996
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: That building is on fire and that thing is gonna

997
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: burn to the ground next year. So what am I doing?

998
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: Why do I care? Because you are like, this doesn't

999
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: make Robert Sala look good. So the moment you write that,

1000
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: you're kind of shorting Robert Sala. Now, once upon a time,

1001
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: Tom Jackson on NFL Countdown or whatever, when the Patriots

1002
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: the year they started Zing two said that everyone hated

1003
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and the Bill Belichick's career was headed toward

1004
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: the toilet. And that was two thousand and one, and

1005
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: then obviously things changed he won the Super Bowl and

1006
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: won several cents. I think he hated Tom Jackson. So

1007
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful about when you unload the clip.

1008
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: But if you have information and you do it, you're

1009
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of betting on this is not gonna go. Well,

1010
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: been watching for a while. Big fan from Santa Cruz, California.

1011
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: Love Santa Cruz. Anyway, My question is should the Niners

1012
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: turn their attention to drafting a top end offensive lineman,

1013
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: specifically guards. I say this because I remember watching Drew

1014
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: Brees play. I always thought he had big I always

1015
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: remember he had big guards to protect him and hold

1016
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: the hold the ball. They were always good in the

1017
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: interior center in the two guards. Jabari Evans was a stud.

1018
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: Remember they franchised in one year. Yeah, you could argue

1019
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: that the interior offensive line is a big emphasis. They

1020
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: drafted Aaron Banks in the second round. Aaron Banks was

1021
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: like pick I forget the exact number, but he was

1022
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: a pretty high second round pick. Now, their right guard

1023
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 1: is an issue, and their center is kind of a guy,

1024
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: and their right tackle is not that great, and their

1025
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: left tackle is an all time great. But he's thirty

1026
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: five years old, So big picture of the forty nine ers.

1027
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I'd argue defensive and offensive line issues like I would

1028
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: draft all linemen. I mean Greenlaw Warner going nowhere. All

1029
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: their DB's under contract, all the wide receivers, good in

1030
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: running backs and the quarterback. Like to me, lineman offensive defense.

1031
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: Eric Armsten's old and he makes a ton of money.

1032
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to restructure if he wants to come back.

1033
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: Hard Grave is on his third contract, so he's probably

1034
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: got one or two more years. They do not have

1035
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: any other defensive ends beside Bosa, who are any good?

1036
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: And beside Trent Williams, if you replaced all their offensive linemen,

1037
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: you could upgrade if you've got a better player, Like

1038
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: it's impossible to upgrade Trent Williams. Like you're not upgrading

1039
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: deebo or Ayyuk, Like you can upgrade all Aaron Banks.

1040
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: You know when healthy is solid. But the center right

1041
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: guar or yeah, right guar right tackle is definitely Here's

1042
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: the problem. They drafted the end of every round and

1043
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have that much money because they're gonna

1044
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: spy a Yuk, not buy you. He's already on the team,

1045
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: but pay Ayyuk and they're paying a lot of guys.

1046
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, Kittle make some coin. Even juice for a

1047
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: fullback makes coin, Deebo makes money, Fred makes money, Bosa

1048
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: makes a shit ton of money. TARVERI, this makes a

1049
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: lot of money. But he's their best corner. This is

1050
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: where they really benefit from having brock Perty's contract. What

1051
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the new Packers DC. I liked

1052
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: they hired a new guy and that some retread. I

1053
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: really hope he can bring some toughness to our defense.

1054
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: We've been lacking that since Dom Caper's years. Looking forward

1055
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: to getting ready for next season. I talked about this

1056
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Speaker 1: a little yesterday on the podcast. But when I used

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Speaker 1: to go to forty nine er practice, he was an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach. I remember seeing him the first time with

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. I'm like, this guy, he's kind of a scrawny,

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: like he doesn't really look like an NFL coach. But

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Speaker 1: then when Chip got fired and Kyle kept him on,

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: and then people really around the building liked him, I

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Speaker 1: was like, Ah, this guy, pretty impressive guy. So I've

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Speaker 1: kind of loosely followed his career. One story that was

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00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: out there the last twenty four hours on Jeff Haffley.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know. I mean, he coached

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Speaker 1: one year at Ohio State as the co defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: He knows defensive back play, he knows coverages. That that's

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00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, if they do a good enough job with

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00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: the lines, he'll be able to dial up coverages. He

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Speaker 1: knows how to coach DB's, which is to me, coaching

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Speaker 1: DB's a lot like coaching quarterbacks. There is a small,

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: small group of people that can do it, and if

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Speaker 1: you have that trait, you know you are a valuable asset.

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Speaker 1: So I like to hire too. But one thing I

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Speaker 1: found funny was like this shows US college football is broken.

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Speaker 1: He left being a head coach at Boston College for

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Speaker 1: the Packers defensive coordinator job. The Packers defensive coordinator job

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Speaker 1: is a better job than the Boston College head coach

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: with nil and the transfer portal. Boston College, i'd argue,

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00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: is a bottom ten college job. You have no fucking

1082
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: chance to win zero, not possible. You are going to

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00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: get mollywopped as this goes. So he left, not because

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00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: it's just not a good job, i'd argue pre and

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Speaker 1: I it's just not a good job in general. So

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Speaker 1: he is he's much closer to being a head coach

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Speaker 1: in the NFL help Ohio State. If he takes the

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00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator drub he can never win more than seven

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00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: games there. It's only gonna get worse. So I don't

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Speaker 1: even think it's that crazy, Like, yeah, most guys probably

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Speaker 1: leave just the other thing. It's not like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's making four million dollars there. The Packers are paying

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Speaker 1: him five hundred grand. He's probably making three and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars. I mean, he got paid a pretty

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00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: he had leverage, like he was a head coach. I

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00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: don't have to leave. You understand, these coordinators in the

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: NFL wink Martindale gave back three point three million dollars.

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00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: That's how much money was making. Vic Fangio and the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I bet they're paying him four five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: What do you think Boston College is paying their head coach?

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00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Zant Ohio State or Alabama? So yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 1: I've always just following his career loosely. I think he's

1103
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: just an impressive, smart guy from coach corners in safeties

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00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: and if if you can coach the secondary, that means

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00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you can call defense, because a lot of calling defenses

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Speaker 1: is the coverages, especially in a passing league. Lifelong Broncos

1107
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: fan here, who also always respected Brady from start to finish,

1108
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: But I believe these Brady verse Mahomes for six years

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: comparisons aren't taking in the full context. Though Brady's first

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00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: six years he had three Super Bowls but only three

1111
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, and the Pats defense was considered the driving

1112
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Speaker 1: force and Manning was considered the best quarterback in the league.

1113
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: The debate early always was see this guy's my age

1114
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Speaker 1: he remembers Manning's accolades or Brady's winning Whereas the moment

1115
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: Mahomes stepped on the field, he was considered the best

1116
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: of one of the top quarterbacks in the league, and

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00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: the driving force for the Chiefs. He's the best of

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Speaker 1: both worlds. Shouldn't this be considered? Yeah? I mean as

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Speaker 1: time passes, people forget, right and that's why as you age, listen,

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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty four. By twenty years ago, Brady had

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Speaker 1: already had multiple Super Bowls twenty years ago. So as

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: time goes on, you forget about the context. When you

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Speaker 1: hear people talk about Michael Jordan and the bulls. They

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00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: the casual fan talks about ninety six to ninety eight

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Speaker 1: as their best teams. YouTube Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen

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Speaker 1: in ninety one, ninety two, ninety three, they were like

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: fucking aliens. And I'm Michael Jordan's easily my favorite athlete

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Speaker 1: ever and it was listen in the late nineties, he

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00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: was unstoppable, but he wasn't near the athlete he was

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Speaker 1: in the early nineties with Pippin. Those two guys were

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00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: the best athletes on the planet. They played the hardest,

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Speaker 1: and Michael was easily the best player in the league

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Speaker 1: by a country mile. They were unstoppable because athletically they

1134
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: were in a whole different universe than everyone else. Remember

1135
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: the famous story in the ninety two Dream Team was

1136
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: like Tony Kukoch was eventually gonna come over, and they

1137
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: they both wanted they both wanted to guard him, and

1138
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: they embarrassed him. They ruined like they ruined him. Those

1139
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: two guys that let like the team's ninety one Those

1140
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: guys were better than now. Maybe Michael was smarter and

1141
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: understood basketball better in ninety seven, but he wasn't near

1142
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Speaker 1: the dominant player that he was in like ninety two.

1143
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Speaker 1: It's like Lebron in like he's been really good, he's

1144
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: you can tell he's he's old. Now. I mean he's

1145
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: still really good, but he's I watched him the other night.

1146
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: It gets worse. He's clearly dramatically older. He's not as explosive.

1147
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: It's honestly remarkable what he's doing. But like the end

1148
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: of Cleveland, Lebron and even like the first year of

1149
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers was still really good. But the best version

1150
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: of Lebron, the most unstoppable version of Lebron, was the

1151
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: heat because he was a total package. Like this athlete,

1152
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Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do with this? That was

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Speaker 1: Michael in the early nineties, just like the best version

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Speaker 1: of Brady was like eight to fifteen, I mean, just

1155
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Speaker 1: an unstoppable machine, dominant early on that first Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, Manning was the better player. But

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Speaker 1: so back to the Mahomes thing. Mahomes was immediately better

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: than Brady at the same age, not even close. Now,

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Speaker 1: can Mahomes maintain this for like ten years? Because Brady

1160
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Speaker 1: had the best of both worlds. He got to win,

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Speaker 1: he got to be good, and then he became unstoppable

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Speaker 1: to me. Brady became Manning around oh seven oh eight,

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Speaker 1: But the first six years of Brady's career he was

1164
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Speaker 1: like a high end like Kirk Cousins. That sounds fucking crazy,

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't. That sounds worse than it's I

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Speaker 1: don't even mean it like that. He was. He was

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Speaker 1: like the ultimate game manager who was really because that's

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Speaker 1: how the team played. And then once they started leaning

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Speaker 1: on him, they got him better weapons. He flipped the

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Speaker 1: switch and then he became Manning, and then there were

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Speaker 1: basically two Mannings. But Brady was better in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: when he became Manning. You know what I mean. Sounds

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Speaker 1: crazy that I just compared Brady to Kirk Cousins, but

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Speaker 1: I don't totally want to take it back mailback question here.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Kelsey fan, but still think Gronk was

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Speaker 1: the best blocking tight end. Also being the best tight

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Speaker 1: end in the league when he played. Injury certainly cut

1178
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Speaker 1: Gronk's career short. He's the same age as Kelsey, but

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Speaker 1: how they were used has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 1: For most of Gronk's career, due to lack of deep

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01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: threats outside the steam route, was the only explosive play

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: the Praatriots had, which led to a lot of head

1183
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: on collisions with the flying safety. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: Casey has been mostly a pass first offense, so Travis

1185
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: is not asked to block as much. He also had

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Speaker 1: most of his career a deep dreat with Hill helping

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: to clear the middle of the field a top of

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Speaker 1: having a great Andy Reid designing the place for him.

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Speaker 1: He even said before that Andy's play design is why

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Speaker 1: he's often wide open. Would love to hear your thoughts totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's debatable. Kelsey can't block

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Speaker 1: likeb Gronkowski. Kelsey can't block like Kittle earlier in his career,

1193
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Speaker 1: or even I mean, KITT's still a really good blocker.

1194
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: He was a dominant blocker. Young Kelsey is the greatest

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Speaker 1: pass catching tight end of all time. Forever it was

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Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez and before that, O'Shannon Sharp. Gronk is much

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Speaker 1: more in the camp of like, there are two separate

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Speaker 1: tight ends guys that you could just run the ball

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Speaker 1: all day behind. That's Rob Gronkowski, George Kittle, Mark Bavaro

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01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: way back in the day. And then there are the

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Speaker 1: guys that are like an unstoppable pass threat. Most of

1202
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Speaker 1: my life, it was Tony Gonzalez than you know before,

1203
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Speaker 1: it was Shannon Sharp in the nineties, and now it's

1204
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Speaker 1: Travis Kelce now. They all play the same position, but

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Speaker 1: they truly are asked to do like those guys are

1206
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Speaker 1: closer to being like the best slot receivers of all time.

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Speaker 1: And that sounds like a slight, but you know what

1208
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean. Where Gronk and even Kittle to a less

1209
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Speaker 1: of extent, are like pseudo offensive lineman half the time,

1210
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Speaker 1: Kelsey's just not. So it's hard to really compare those two.

1211
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Speaker 1: And listen, we're in the business because of sports comparing

1212
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Speaker 1: who's better in this guy. I think we can just

1213
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: say they're both first ballot Hall of famers, They're both

1214
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Speaker 1: championship level players, and every guy worth their salt would

1215
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: take them. I also think they both belonged with the

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Speaker 1: coach they got. Belichick little old school, more inclined to

1217
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: run the ball, Andy much more of a pass guy,

1218
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: and they went to the perfect coach. Belichick a tough guy,

1219
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: Andy a light of a scoreboard guy. Both, I mean,

1220
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: the two best coaches of their generation, and both turned

1221
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,959
Speaker 1: into Hall of famers and two of the bigger personalities

1222
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: in the league, right, Rob Gronkowski and now Kelsey with

1223
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: Swift has taken him to another level. Just two of

1224
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: the most famous non quarterbacks of the Internet era. I

1225
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: mean they really are. When you just say Gronk and

1226
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: now you say Travis has gone up his fame dramatically

1227
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, obviously, but he was, you know,

1228
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: in football world, he was really famous. Now he's he's

1229
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: probably sort passed Gronk. I mean, he definitely has worldwide.

1230
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Speaker 1: But you know, Gronk was really really famous, but that

1231
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of tailgating, you know, Brady's fame and

1232
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Speaker 1: being a part of it. This sounds like I'm not

1233
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: trying to take shots any of this. Like I love Grenkowski,

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: I love Kelsey, and I just think that they're not

1235
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: They're not apples to apples, right, They're just they're two

1236
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: different type players. Hall of famers, and either guy I'd

1237
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: won on my team depending on what kind of offense

1238
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Speaker 1: I'd ran, depended the guy that i'd want, right if

1239
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: I ran like Kyle Shanahan. If you could pick a

1240
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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Gronk or a twenty two year

1241
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: old Kelsey. He'd probably go Gronk because he likes running

1242
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: the ball. If you went, you know, the Andy Reids.

1243
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the you know, just look

1244
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: around the league. The teams to pass more, they would

1245
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: lean Kelsey. They like spread offenses. Cliff Kingsbury just got

1246
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: higher with the Raiders. He fucking loved Kelsey. Four or

1247
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: five wide, put him out there. Not that Gronk can't

1248
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: do that, but if you have a run heavy offense,

1249
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: and even I heard Gronk maybe he told Rossillo this

1250
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: earlier this year. Is that like as he got older,

1251
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: like he started not blocking as hard because his body

1252
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: couldn't take it, and he learned, like, I got to

1253
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: be more of a positional blocker. You know, early on

1254
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: in his career he took pride in like being like

1255
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: Trent Williams at tight end. But it's hard to maintain

1256
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: that as you get into the thirties and you get

1257
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: beat up the volume