1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Hi, we're back. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: We're back with the minisode. We have our special guest. 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: Her name is Yaminika. I don't know if you've been 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: exposed to her yet through this podcast or through our 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: shows or through her Instagram. 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Exposed to me, Yeah, it's exposure. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: That's what I'm I would frame thank you, and the 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: only reason why I'm here is fully exposure. 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: Catherine, what do we have on the docket for today. 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 4: Well, we have an update from a previous caller. This 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 4: is Savannah. She had called in on our Kevin Hart episode. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 4: She is not a person doing OnlyFans, but her dad 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 4: thought she was doing only fans because the step. 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: By was spreading rumors of right exactly, stepbrother was tele 15 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: going around the family telling everybody that this girl was 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: on OnlyFans. 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 4: She had made some offhanded comment about like I wonder 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: how much they make or how do they do their taxes? 20 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: And like she started telling e Ray she was doing 21 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: only fans. Oh wow. Yeah. 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 4: So the advice was to like hit it head on, 23 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: have a conversation with her. And so she's like kind 24 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: of not talking to her stepmom because she's mad at her. 25 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: So I asked for an update, She says, I have 26 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: my tail between my legs because we've continued to just 27 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 4: ignore each other. She lives three hours away and we 28 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: don't have to talk much anymore. I'm getting nervous as 29 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: her daughter, my stepsister, is getting married this year and 30 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: I want to tackle it by then August. I just 31 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 4: have fear over how she'll receive what I want to say. 32 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: She will shut down and get defensive and say things like, well, 33 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 4: I guess I'm just the worst person ever. I don't 34 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: want to pull my dad into this anymore, and I 35 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 4: think I just need to call her when I'm feeling brave. 36 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 4: I guess I just haven't been feeling brave and she 37 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: hasn't tried anything either. The advice you and Chelsea Gabe 38 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: was wonderful, and I've listened back to it to make 39 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: sure it lives in my head when the time for 40 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 4: the conversation comes. I just don't know when that would 41 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 4: be signed a nervous and disappointed non sex worker stepdaughter Savannah. 42 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: No baby baby, and I know I wasn't here for 43 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: the first one who gives a crap, which is why 44 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: are you talking to your stepmother? 45 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: Beat it? 46 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: You told everybody in a family. I was on OnlyFans 47 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: bitch beat it. I don't understand why she gotta have 48 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: a conversation and guess what I'm gonna be at my 49 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: stepsister's wedding. 50 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: My dad going to beat it. 51 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: I'm a beat it unless the stepsister tell you to 52 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: beat it, and then you know what a step sister lie. 53 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't understand this nonsense of I got to tackle. 54 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: This conversation with a woman that you already know is 55 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: going to be defensive, and it's passive aggressive and playing 56 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: the victim. 57 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Beat it lady. 58 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: So that's me updating you, giving you updated advice. 59 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: That's better advice than I gave the first time around. 60 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I mean. 61 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck her. 62 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: I think the girl was upset because her her dad 63 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: actually was like believing the mother, but also exactly like, 64 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: fuck off. If you're spreading rumors about me like that, 65 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: that aren't true. If there's no basis, like a fact, 66 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: and then. 67 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: No, fuck off, it's right fuck off. 68 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: So new advice, Savannah, Just fuck her. Yeah, So we 69 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: do have a caller today, Ashley writes in her subject 70 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: line is politics are destroying my book club. Dear tell 71 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: I'm part of a six woman book club that consists 72 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: of the following demographic politically, one MAGA, three Liberal Dems, 73 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: one moderate DEM think Bill maher DEM this is me, 74 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 4: and one extremely woke progressive. We live in Seattle, however, 75 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: all the Dems are transplants from California and the magafan 76 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: is a transplant from Idaho. I was homesick during our 77 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: last gathering in early February when a notable fight erupted 78 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: over the current Trump administration's work since taking office. It 79 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: resulted in the Mega individual leaving the gathering in tears, 80 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: and one remaining progressive in three liberals agreeing to kick 81 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: her out of. 82 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: The book club. 83 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: When we planned our next meetup, I inquired about talking 84 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: to Maga and moving the group forward without her. I 85 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: received backlash from the progressives that she was not worthy 86 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: of feedback given her values. I disagree with this. Kicking 87 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: someone out of a club they've been in for six 88 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: years with no feedback, then continuing to post about it 89 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: on social media is a textbook form of high school bullying. 90 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: We're thirty seven, Grow the fuck up, and yes we've 91 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: already tried, agreed to disagree, and don't talk politics in 92 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: our book club. However, it's difficult to avoid these topics 93 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. I do not believe in cancel culture, 94 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: nor do I believe in ghosting. And while I've spent 95 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: my entire life residing in coastal elite quote unquote areas, 96 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: I have a handful of family members who voted for 97 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: Trump that I would never dream of cutting out of 98 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 4: my life. I feel strongly that further segregation of our 99 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: two communities is compounding the current issues we're facing in America. Finally, 100 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: this has raised some questions for me about my liberal 101 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: friends who are more than happy to continue life in 102 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: their own political bubble and dump someone just because they 103 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: don't share their beliefs. As it stands, I'm wondering if 104 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: I should excuse myself from the group altogether. 105 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: Ashley sounds like a Supreme Court situation here. I mean, 106 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: the liberals, progressive, this is a hard day moderate, and 107 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: then a maga, okay, gop it hi, Hi, how are you, Chelsea? 108 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 5: I'm will How are you? 109 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: So? I don't know? I mean, what do you think? 110 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I feel like? Do you want me to go first? 111 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna go? Okay, yeah, yeah, you go first? 112 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: You want me to go. You go first. 113 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in a book club, so we try. 114 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: You know, this book club is really centered. Any of 115 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: the book clubs I've ever been in have been centered 116 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: around people that are sort of like minded in ways. Right, 117 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: there's something that's threading us together. And I feel like 118 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: when we've had dissension in the club, it's probably somebody. 119 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: You know, people didn't like somebody or whatever it was. 120 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: So I've seen people come and go in book clubs 121 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: and you just go into another damn book club. 122 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate that it did get political. 123 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 3: I think the issue probably right now is I understand 124 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: like you have people in your family that you would 125 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: never turn away from even though they voted for Donald Trump, 126 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: and I think you have the capacity to do that 127 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: right now. For me, if I'm honest in this time, 128 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: being a woman and being a black woman, I think 129 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: it's a matter of life or death for me when 130 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: I start to see people that are saying certain things 131 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: about certain values and people being less than human or 132 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: having to go back to places that they never even 133 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: would from, you. 134 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: Know, it becomes life or death. 135 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: So then I do look at people during this time 136 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: very differently than maybe I. 137 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Did when we all, you know, I didn't agree that, 138 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: you know. 139 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: George Bush Junior was president, Like, there was no way 140 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: I would have ever gotten rid of somebody because they 141 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: voted for him. 142 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: But we're talking for me right now. 143 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: The president we have is very dangerous to people like me, 144 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: and so it's like a matter of life or death. 145 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: And I can see how people are getting crunchy in 146 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: that time, and I think maybe if this is going 147 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: to cause you a tear, you may have to just 148 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: go to another place, you know what I'm saying, Because 149 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: when one of the things about the book clubs are 150 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 3: like we respect each other's opinions, you know, even about 151 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: the interpretation of books, you know, interpretations of words and 152 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: what the authors are saying or what the point of 153 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: the story is. And if you can't really have respect 154 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: for somebody on the basis of something about their point 155 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: of view politically, I think it's going to be hard 156 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: for you to respect them in anything that they have 157 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: to say about literature. 158 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 5: I think that's a really interesting perspective just about the 159 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: point of the book club obviously is to respect each 160 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 5: other's opinions because you're going to have different opinions about 161 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 5: how you interpret things that you read, etc. I think 162 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 5: what was really interesting for me is this all came 163 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 5: up so your book, I think Chelsea came out in February, 164 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 5: so I was traveling and reading your book around the 165 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 5: time that this happened. And obviously I'm thinking of certain 166 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 5: chapters in your book that come to mind because there's 167 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 5: a theme of sisterhood right in your book, about being 168 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 5: able to have tough conversations respectfully. I'm thinking of the 169 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 5: Jane Fondae chapter right, your friend who partied a little 170 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 5: too hard, who ended up pursuing their sobriety right how? 171 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 5: And so to me, I think the bigger issue is, 172 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 5: are we now at a place in life like if 173 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 5: these are your my friends? Are we now at a 174 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: place in life where if we have a disagreement with someone, 175 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 5: we don't give them the basic decency and respect of 176 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: having a tough conversation and explaining why you want a 177 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 5: relationship to end or why you don't agree about something. 178 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 5: I think that's more what I'm struggling with in terms 179 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: of the underlying values. Does that make sense? 180 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense, And it's like it's it 181 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: seems like it's just really up to you, you know 182 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: what I mean, it's really a personal decision, Like do 183 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: you want to I mean, you can always reach out 184 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: to this woman and give it to her straight as 185 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: a sister, you know, in the name of sisterhood, Like 186 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: take it upon yourself to be like listen, I mean, 187 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: what is your understanding of the whole situation? What does 188 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: she what is your understanding of her understanding? 189 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 5: Well, I think she lives in her own media bubble, right, 190 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 5: so she consumes what she wants to consume, and so 191 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 5: she ironically is the one. So book club existed before Covid, right, 192 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 5: So started in twenty eighteen ish, right, And obviously Trump 193 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: was protident then, and so we were we have kind 194 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 5: of agree to disagree, and we don't talk politics at 195 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 5: book club rule, and we you know, we're not reading 196 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 5: like seriously political books and book club right, these are 197 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 5: like she fun uplifting, let's drink wine books. So we 198 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 5: paused hiatus in twenty twenty, got back together after you know, 199 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 5: Pete Covid, and we just continued from there. I mean, 200 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 5: Trump was out of office, so it didn't really come up. 201 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: But since he has been back in office and obviously 202 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 5: with the election last year, she's often the one who 203 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 5: brings up politics, knowing that she's the only Trump supporter 204 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 5: in the group. So that's where it's also been agitating. 205 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 5: She comes from a place of I want to learn, 206 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: I want to hear your opinion, I want to understand 207 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 5: your viewpoints, which I think we all welcome having conversations, 208 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 5: even if they might be uncomfortable and respectfully, but it 209 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 5: comes from kind of the Fox News lens of anytime 210 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 5: we engage in the conversation, it's like, well, what about 211 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: when Hillary did it? 212 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Right? 213 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 5: She just follows that like media playbooked, and so the 214 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 5: conversations end up being not productive. 215 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the bottom line. Is it a 216 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: productive Like it's nice to be able to extend your 217 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: tolerance to someone who has a different viewpoint if you 218 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 2: can have productive conversations, and I don't mean just by 219 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: getting them to understand what you believe. I mean actually 220 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: having productive, thought provoking conversations and being open to new 221 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: ideas and new information on both sides. So I mean, 222 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: if she is bringing up politics, it's kind of like 223 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: she that's the reason she's not in the group, You 224 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: know what I mean? You're not there to talk about politics. 225 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: You just said that, and you guys all understand that, 226 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: and especially her being like the only MAGA person, of course, 227 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: she's going to feel outnumbered and want to, like, you 228 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: know what a dog does to like mark their territory, 229 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: to almost just establish some sort of like you're not 230 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: going to roll me over or rollover, you know, like 231 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: she's probably trying to establish some sort of dominance or 232 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: just a placeholder at the very minimum. But it's just 233 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: it's a matter of what does she think that happened? 234 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: Does she know what it is that she got mixed 235 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: from the group? 236 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so interestingly, so I was traveling in miss 237 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 5: last book club, but I guess she announced to the 238 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 5: group that she's just going to move to Texas because 239 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 5: living in Seattle is pointless and she can't date anyone 240 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: here because none of they're too liberal and too woke. 241 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: Bro. 242 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's just like, Okay, that's the solution, just 243 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 5: moved to a red state. 244 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: And but that's her though, Like you can't blame your 245 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: other Brook club friends who are the liberals and progressives. 246 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: You can't blame them for her. She's from what you're 247 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: telling me, she is an agitator, not just because she's 248 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: a Republican or a maga or whatever. She keeps bringing 249 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: it up like that's not that she knows. 250 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: That's not the forum for that kind And I want 251 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: you to see. 252 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: Where you keep aligning yourself with her, which I think 253 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: is the biggest problem. Stop aligning yourself with her. You 254 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: keep having this pity for her for whatever reason, right, 255 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: And it's like she doesn't deserve any pity. And where 256 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: she comes into a situation and she's trying to antagonize 257 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: it and agitate it. And most certainly if there's a 258 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: constant conversation about what she feels, you know, with this 259 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: current presidency and all of this stuff, and nobody's bringing 260 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: that up, maybe she should go somewhere where people are 261 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: willing to engage her in that conversation. 262 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 263 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is like, you have a 264 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: set of principles, and that's great. You can still gage 265 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: with people who are Trump supporters, and you can still 266 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: talk to your family members. But this instance, like this instance, 267 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: this woman has kind of caused her removal from the 268 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: book club. It sounds like, so while you have your principles, 269 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: you can still hold on to those and remain in 270 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: your book club. She just kind of worked outside the lines. 271 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: Like that doesn't change that you're open to talking to 272 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: people who have different political beliefs. 273 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: And it sounds like she's still in the club, isn't she, 274 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: Because how is she making all these announcements. 275 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Is she out the club? 276 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's she's engaged with us still. 277 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, that's what I'm saying. Okay, y'all got 278 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: to really show her. She just sounds like. 279 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: A pain in the ass, regardless of her political alignment, 280 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 281 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you've seen. 282 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: The sun and cool and upbeat, and I know you 283 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: seem like you got sympathy for this lady with Shaka off. 284 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and focus on other Trump like supporters that are 285 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: more you know that you can have conversations with that 286 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: don't surround politics. 287 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: You know. 288 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: I totally am with you that it would be nice 289 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: to be having in conversation with people who are different 290 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: from different political beliefs. But unfortunately, I feel like Yamnika 291 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: feels like I feel like it is a deal breaker. 292 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: Chelsea. 293 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 5: So you mentioned recently on your social media that you 294 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 5: have some family. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, 295 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 5: but who don't share your political beliefs as well, and 296 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 5: maybe supporters of Trump, if I recall. 297 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: They're not Trump supporters, but they are conservative. I don't 298 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: know that they voted for Trump. Nobody has admitted to 299 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 2: voting for Trump. Nobody would admit that to me and 300 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,239 Speaker 2: my family. But there are supporters of more conservative politics, 301 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: and you know, arguments about affirmative action, arguments about Russia, Ukraine, 302 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: who's really at fault? There things that I find intolerable 303 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: and propaganda, you know, and I don't, And so I 304 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: draw the line at like, if you're spewing conspiracy theories, 305 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in being around that, And that's for 306 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: me a personal thing that I've just you know, I 307 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: don't want that. I don't want that toxicity around me. 308 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: I want to talk about things that are actually happening. 309 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: So I have a different set of values. But I 310 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: like your principle. I think I totally support that for you, 311 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: But I think this woman is just kind of outside 312 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: of that. 313 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 5: What I'm saying there, Yeah, and I think this is validating. 314 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 5: I think the reason I loved your most recent book 315 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: as well, Chelsea, is because I kind of followed have 316 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 5: followed the same trajectory in my life, where ten years 317 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: ago I would have told someone to fuck off and 318 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 5: never spoken to them again if they even irritated me 319 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: a little bit. Right, And I have spent some years 320 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: in therapy after COVID lockdowns and whatnot, and I'm now 321 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: working to be a better person in terms of tough 322 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 5: conversations and whatnot, and almost feel sometimes I air a 323 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 5: little bit too far on the other side. Right, I've 324 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 5: gone from one pendulum to the other of giving people 325 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 5: passes on things or feeling like, well, how am I 326 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 5: playing a part in this if someone is being an antagonist? 327 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: So it's nice to hear this perspective and get a 328 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 5: little clarity on this. So thank you. 329 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you wanted, like if you want to 330 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: show in a strength of sisterhood or a demonstration of sisterhood, 331 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: like if you want to shoot her an email and 332 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: go listen. I'm sorry that this didn't work out with 333 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: the book club, but I just want you to know, 334 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: like you kept bringing up politics in a place that 335 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: is not. 336 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: Supposed to be. 337 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 6: It's supposed to be politically free, Like if you. 338 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: Want to extend that to her, you can, But I 339 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't feel terrible about her not being in the book 340 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: club anymore. Like I would let that go. It's not 341 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: our job to like, you know, it's not everything. It's like, 342 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: I think the great thing about getting older is understanding 343 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: when and where to have those lines, you know what 344 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean. 345 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: And she might have tapped out on her reading source. 346 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: I mean, if she voted for Trump, how many books 347 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: could she really get? 348 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: Hustle down? Trump supporters read too? Okay, well, yeah, c 349 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: spot run. 350 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: They won't be reading for long though, because there'll be 351 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: no books left to read. 352 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: So there's that. 353 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: There's that reassurance to the other girls. 354 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: You can tell the progressive that. 355 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, I appreciate your call, and I appreciate 356 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: what you're saying, and I understand, but I think you 357 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: should let this one go and like focus on that 358 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: principle that you have in a in a more constructive 359 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: in other areas of your life where it will be 360 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: met with the same thing. 361 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I appreciate it. Thank you, Chelsea. Catherine gokay 362 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 5: again in your book next in our. 363 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: Book clubat great Well, she should read that, you know, 364 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: bring it back for that. 365 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, last book from Texas when we take. 366 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Care by bye. 367 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: One of the funniest things about the MAGA contingent for 368 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: me is like, like this woman, they won, and they're 369 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: still fucking crying about it, like they're still feeling like 370 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: a victim. 371 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't get. 372 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: Because I mean the fact that anybody it's for me, 373 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: it's been almost mum is the word. But maybe, like 374 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: Chelsea said, anybody gonna say nothing to me about Voo, 375 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: But I like, people are scared to say anything. I 376 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: haven't heard anybody speaking Spanish and at least what since 377 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: January people scared to speak is Spanish. I'm telling you, 378 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: they don't know what's going to happen. They send it 379 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: people to L Salvador. It's from Maryland, and shit, I'm 380 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: from Maryland. Next thing, you know, I bet an L Salvador. 381 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: I mean it's a rough time, you know what I mean. 382 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: And so she's she's fortunate. This woman is fortunate that 383 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: she has the luxury to concern herself with the feelings 384 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: of a Trump supporter. 385 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't have that. 386 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: And this time, what it means to be maga is 387 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 3: to it means to be supporting white supremacy, you know, 388 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: stopping a lot of stuff it's very bad times with people, 389 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: especially people of color, and I can't be playing around 390 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: with anybody that's over there supporting it, because that means 391 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: you have no regard for my life or whatever I 392 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: got going on. You want to do nothing but take 393 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: from me. I can't be around that. You're dangerous to be. 394 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: You're a predator. 395 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, i'm with I'm 396 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't have time for it. I'm 397 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: not talking, I just don't have time for that. It's 398 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: too ugly out right now. It's too ugly, and people 399 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: are being like, what's happening is unforgivable, it's disgusting. So no, 400 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in hearing especially Maga. 401 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: You know like that. 402 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: That's like another level of fuck off. 403 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: So you're right though, anyway, this shit, let's wrap it up. 404 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: That was a long minisode. 405 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: Sure, I feel like longer than a shower. 406 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: Okay, don't say that that means you to enjoy me. 407 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: I always enjoy you, of course I do. I just 408 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: I hate thinking about all this stuff all. 409 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: The time, dude, And why do you do it so well? Though? 410 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 2: You give that I just you know, I just the 411 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: Maga thing really upsets me, like it fucking brings me down, 412 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: like that people are so fucking far removed, you know, 413 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: Like that's the idea that somebody's too liberal, and the 414 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: idea that like being open minded and aware of like the. 415 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Future is a bad thing. 416 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: Saying yes to trans people is a bad thing, like 417 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: like history has shown us over and over again, especially 418 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: like there's this contingency of gay people who are not 419 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: pro trans and it's like, I find that you. 420 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Got gay people who are racist. 421 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: Listen, what I keep telling you is this, Chelsea, It's 422 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: like this right, this is a prime example. It's not you. 423 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: You want to do certain things, you want the doubt 424 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: to move. But I keep telling you, we got to 425 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: have these conversations because there's a lot of dumb motherfuckers 426 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: out here. 427 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: That don't get it. 428 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: And more importantly, the worst part is some of them 429 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 3: get that what they're doing is racist or homophobic or 430 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: all of this shit, and they just don't care because 431 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: it's not them. 432 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: Do you understand? 433 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 3: People are very selfish and that's when the conversations have 434 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: to keep being had. 435 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, it, where's you out? I get it? 436 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: You get tired, I'm your Hey, I'm doing my part. 437 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: I'm not over here being a racist asshole, But imagine now, 438 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 3: you gotta live as a person that has to navigate 439 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: around people with mental disorders of race being racist. 440 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: That's uncomfortable. 441 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: That is a mental disorder. That's a great, great way 442 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: to frame it. Racism is a mental disorder. If you 443 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: really believe Wait not laughing. 444 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: It's true. It's fucking mental disorder. 445 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: If you really believe someone who has a different skin 446 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: color is less valuable, that is a mental disorder. 447 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: A mental disorder, and starting bye bye, bye bye. 448 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 6: So I added a couple of new dates. I'm not 449 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 6: on tour yet, but I added a couple of dance 450 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 6: just because I felt like we need a little bit 451 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 6: more laughter and a little bit more medicine for the 452 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 6: end of the year. And I was wrapping things up, 453 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: but I thought, maybe let me do a couple more. 454 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: So I'm adding three more dates in addition to my 455 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 6: Vegas residency. I'm doing Westhampton Beach August twenty first, I'm 456 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 6: headlining the Rochester Fringe Comedy Festival September thirteenth, and I 457 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 6: will be in NAPA on October third, So those will 458 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 6: be my last dates. 459 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Of the year. 460 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: Do you want advice from Chelsea? Right into Dear Chelsea 461 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: Podcast at gmail dot com. 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