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Speaker 1: it was a lot of attention on the fishing. It

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Speaker 1: was a really really wild like three weeks again just

432
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Speaker 1: just wow. So it was a lot of emphasis on

433
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Speaker 1: we gotta do something here, we gotta get this word out,

434
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Speaker 1: get start recruiting new pete right. So it was it

435
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: was right place, right time. And that's kind of how

436
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: I got started. In like in a month or two,

437
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: I was at an officiating camp with a uniform one

438
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Speaker 1: just out there. We'll be right back after a quick break.

439
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Speaker 2: Do you have to buy your own like a uniform

440
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 2: like when you first start, you can get hand me downs.

441
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Speaker 1: But they took care. It was pretty good. We had

442
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 1: a whole you know, we had a bag of stuff, okay,

443
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: and so me and a couple other guys, the guys

444
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Speaker 1: I was talking about with this kind of got started

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: right then and there. You know, some of those guys

446
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: had been officiating already, but that was my first time

447
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 1: putting outfit on a couple of weeks after that meet.

448
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: Do you remember your first flag you ever threw? Probably

449
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: was wrong so high yeah, yeah, high school the summer.

450
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, So one of the things that we didn't know,

451
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,239
Speaker 2: and I don't think fans know when Troy came on

452
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: the party, talked about you all meet with a coach

453
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,959
Speaker 2: or like a like an officiating coach who's like, uh,

454
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Speaker 2: let's just say a position coach, and then that position coach.

455
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: There's a coordinator that that position coach officiator meets with,

456
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Speaker 2: and then there's like a head official for I guess

457
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: the coaches and everybody else, and then there's like a

458
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Speaker 2: GM VP, the VP kind of that that oversees all

459
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Speaker 2: that I had.

460
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Speaker 1: I had no clue that y'all it went, It went

461
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Speaker 1: that deep, you know, in the same format, you know

462
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Speaker 1: as what we're used to. You know, we have position

463
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Speaker 1: coaches and then you kind of have the decordinator and

464
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Speaker 1: then you kind of have the head coach, right. It

465
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: kind of just it kind of falls out the same way. Yeah,

466
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: And we watch film same way. We we we get tests,

467
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: we get you know, training the same way. We just

468
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: we don't we don't get the time you know, as

469
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: always to do to get out there and get as

470
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Speaker 1: many reps as possible because it's hard. It's really hard

471
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Speaker 1: to get those reps and mimic those reps. But we

472
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: do a lot of study groups, We do a lot

473
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Speaker 1: of you know, just disiminating information as much as possible.

474
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Speaker 1: It's getting in the rule. Our rule book is I

475
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: should have brought a rule book. I don't know if

476
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Speaker 1: you've ever seen an NFL rule, I have not. No,

477
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: I should have brought it. You know. It's yeah, I'm bad.

478
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's thick, it's it's it's big. So

479
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a learning curve to kind of

480
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: get through that and get through all those plays and

481
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: all those rules. So yeah, it's knowing every single rule.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I know most of them,

483
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: but I know there's there's a I feel as good

484
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: as I am, there's a ton that I don't know.

485
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Speaker 1: You know.

486
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Speaker 2: The thing I think that's probably crazy is that it's

487
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: probably not all about the rules that are so hard

488
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: for us because you've been playing football, So it's probably

489
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: about the situational stuff that comes up that never comes up,

490
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: that is in the rule book from like whatever, and

491
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: you're just like, all, I just didn't know, Well, this

492
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: is what the ball is put when it's this enforcement part, Yes,

493
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: that part enforcement is the other half of it.

494
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Speaker 1: The rules are one thing, but knowing how to enforce

495
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: the rules, who gets the ball where, with the clock

496
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: and then you're throwing replay yes, which is which is

497
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Speaker 1: a growing segment of officiating in the game in general.

498
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: And so you've got to put all those pieces together

499
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: and X amount of seconds before everybody's what's going on, right,

500
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: So it's that when we're huddle up on the field,

501
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. We're putting those pieces together. I've

502
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Speaker 1: seen there's this one black rep that I've seen. He's

503
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Speaker 1: a high school dude, and and whenever there's like a

504
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: deep pass and there's a long play, he is sprinting.

505
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: He is getting Yeah, you still got your speed. I

506
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: can still run. But we don't move like that. They

507
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: don't want us running like that, okay, because when you're

508
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: when you're sprinting like I used to do that in

509
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: high school. Used to go out there, I want to

510
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: race the players and beat them to the goal line,

511
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, hey, I might beat

512
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: the rights. When that's when you're a young boy. As

513
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: you get older as a player, you don't have to

514
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Speaker 1: make as many moves to get in the position to

515
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Speaker 1: make a play when you get older. Right right, I

516
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Speaker 1: know where this route is going. Same thing as official,

517
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Speaker 1: Like we don't want you moving so much, like we

518
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: want you to get there and be still watch the play,

519
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: see it all. Because when you're running, you're bouncing, you

520
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: all over the place and you miss stuff. But so

521
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: as you watch older veteran officials, they they don't move

522
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: as much. They just get to where they got to

523
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: get to see a play. And so that's how you

524
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: can tell a young officials real feet everywhere, but old

525
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: officials real move. So you're that O G. I'm trying

526
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Speaker 1: to get there, trying to get there watching the old cast.

527
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, you just you just get to the point

528
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Speaker 1: where you just you get into position. And so we've

529
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Speaker 1: we've but that always we're working on mechanics where sometimes

530
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: we're slower, sometimes we're faster, we're deeper, so we're trying

531
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Speaker 1: to get to that you know, that sweet spot. But

532
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Speaker 1: generally you want to encapsulate the.

533
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Speaker 2: Play understood, understood, So now are you a field judge

534
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: or a side judge.

535
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Speaker 1: I'm both, I've did I did both. I'm deep wing

536
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. I was fiel judge for a couple

537
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: of years. I switched a side judge. It's essentially the same.

538
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Speaker 1: Explain that to the viewer right here in your camera.

539
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Speaker 1: What is the difference between the field and the side

540
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: we know? Right, so the three deeps field judge, back judge,

541
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Speaker 1: side judge. We're on the defensive side of the ball,

542
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: behind the defense, and we're responsible for the defense. You know,

543
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: we're DP I holding, counting the defense. We we got

544
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You don't really see us side the camera.

545
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: All side is not us. That's all those guys on

546
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Speaker 1: the line judge and line judge headlines. Yes, so I'm deep.

547
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Speaker 1: I'm twenty thirty yards twenty twenty five yards off the

548
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on the defensive side of the ball

549
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: on the sideline. We switch every half, so I start

550
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: on the home team or I start on the way

551
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: go to home. Right, So we get both sides, both coaches,

552
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: and we're looking at receivers, tight ends, all the eligibles.

553
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: That's that's where we are. And so we got the

554
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Our game can be very slow, you may not get

555
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of action, and all of a sudden you get,

556
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, three deep passes in a row. So we

557
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: got the big, big DPI call, which is our biggest call,

558
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: probably the biggest call in the game. And so that's

559
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: our baby, that's our bread and butter. So we got

560
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: to be good with that. We got the punt plays

561
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: and all that on the returner. So, but DPI is

562
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: that's the one. That's the one that's it's a big foul.

563
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take Peanut on his soakebox on this

564
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: because he thinks it should only be fifteen yards and

565
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: they used and he also believe that if you offensive

566
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: foul offensive PI, if it's twenty yards down the field,

567
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: the offense should lose twenty This is he's a big thing.

568
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: There's a competition committee, you can I am trying to

569
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: do that. Trying to do that is what I am

570
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: trying to I'm exercising all my contacts. How let your

571
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: boy all right, I got one for you, Nate hold on, Okay,

572
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: which one.

573
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Do you prefer? As far as what side or the

574
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: only difference is between side and field judge. The side

575
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: judge goes behind the ball on field golds, so he's

576
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: right there and mixing the field judges underneath the goal post.

577
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, one A, one B, they're both I got

578
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: you one yeah. Yeah.

579
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Speaker 2: So what is it like to get the call up

580
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: to the NFL? Is it like in the minor leagues

581
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: in baseball where you get the call?

582
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Is it like draft day? Like? What is that call?

583
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: What is that like? What is that similar to draft days?

584
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: Not just we don't have a you're not looking at

585
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: a board and it's not it's similar though, because okay,

586
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: you said it's getting back to the league. Yeah, so

587
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a big call. Yeah, it's it's

588
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: probably the second or third biggest phone call I ever got.

589
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: Explain that. Take us to that. Yeah, you're because we

590
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: get hired around April and May. That's when they hire

591
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: NFL officials. So you know, if you're close, but you

592
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: have no idea if you're going to get the call out.

593
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: How do you know if you're close, Like you're working

594
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: in certain conferences in.

595
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: College or and we have a development program. Okay, but

596
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: in college and the NFL they have a development right now.

597
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: It's called the MACKI Development program. So you've got guys

598
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: that you kind of see that they're looking at You're

599
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: going they're going to your bowl games, or scouts looking

600
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: at you. I've seen the what was the blonde lady,

601
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: she's a oh yeah, she's a line judge, Sarah Sarah. Yeah.

602
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: I saw her come up college.

603
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: She was calling my games, saw right, Yeah, working in

604
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: the training camp saw for years and now always on

605
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: the sideline. So it's like like I take take pride.

606
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: And see her doing the work in ten years now. Yes,

607
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: yeah she did well. But it's like that, you know,

608
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: if you're in the development program and they're looking at you,

609
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you've got an idea. Okay, not guarantee you just like

610
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: in the league, right, but you have an idea. And

611
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: how they call who they call and what they're looking

612
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: for is that's Troy. That's Troy and the supervisor and

613
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the VP and all that they get together and that's

614
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: their decision. But you just kind of know you're one

615
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: of maybe twenty they're looking at. Right. And so I

616
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: interviewed up in New York first, and then once you interview,

617
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: you know you're it could be coming soon. So that's

618
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: like the combine the iView process, right, that's right. Okay,

619
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that's right. Okay, I didn't know me either.

620
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: What are the interactions like with the DBS being a

621
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: former player, is it is it like respect? Is it

622
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: just you cast them not even know?

623
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: That's cool because because typically the head coach and the

624
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: teams they study us too, right, absolutely that we definitely

625
00:29:52,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: do the free report. Yeah right, love throw oh you

626
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: before you get there. And good thing about being a

627
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: phone player, I can talk to them how we used

628
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: to talk to each other, and I can speak that

629
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: language to them, so right away they're like, okay, I

630
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: get it, you know. And so I use that to

631
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: my advantage when I'm speaking to him trying to get

632
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: him calm down or whatever it may be. But it's

633
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: usually respect. Yeah, laugh, respect jokes. You know, I've never

634
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: had an issue with DB's man, It's just we're cut

635
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: from the same class, so we've always I've had no issues.

636
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: Nate, how long are you planning to be a referee?

637
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: Like I know, you know you don't come across as

638
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: the hockey type, I mean, not even as Jack as

639
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: he is, So I mean you decent, but like damn,

640
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: I mean Hockley bros.

641
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: Next level dude, you just shut out. He has a

642
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: son now to that I know, right, Yeah, and he's

643
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of swoll to. Yeah. Yeah, he's good dude, both

644
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: of them. No, I mean the good thing about officiating

645
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: is you stay. You stayed apart and do what you

646
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: gotta do. You can, you can do it for the

647
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: next twenty you know, you can be twenty thirty year. Right,

648
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. I'm enjoining, I'm having fun.

649
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Hopefully don't get sick of me.

650
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you plan on do you you know

651
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 2: you start off at one, then is it like a

652
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: certain program or progress to where you become the head?

653
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I mean they kind of the

654
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: white hat we call them. Yes, he's the chees you

655
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: can get. You can let them know, Hey, I have

656
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: aspirations when they do that.

657
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of guys just stay what they're

658
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: doing for a long time as well.

659
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: That's right. I can stay at field judge side judge

660
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: for the next twenty years and so be it. But

661
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: if I say, hey, you know you have I want

662
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: to be a white head over can I look at

663
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: you and say yeah or nay? Right? But typically they

664
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: bring guys in it, have referee back around from college,

665
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: bring them in, work them in, get them used to it,

666
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: then make that switch later in their career. So they

667
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of have those guys out there working on other

668
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: positions already. Yeah, so you know they have whatever five

669
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: or ten guys that may they had their eye on, Like, okay,

670
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: we know somebody retires, he's read you know what I mean.

671
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: So they usually pull it like that. So okay, ready,

672
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I like I likes that go out there and when

673
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: when they have to go out and explain what the

674
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: flag is and they give a quick commentary, but the

675
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: commentary is just like yo flag on seventy five, it

676
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: was given ninety seven. The business Like, I do like that.

677
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: You like those.

678
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: It's hilarious because it's not traditional. It's not your traditional referee.

679
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: Some referees they got like I got a personality, that's right,

680
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: that's I kind of I kind of like that.

681
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: I want to know this.

682
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: Do you like practice like I know, because you're not

683
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: the head guy, so you don't have to announce it everybody. Yeah,

684
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: but like in the mirror, you ever like you practice,

685
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: you get like you gotta like you practice first out

686
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: and practice the field goes correct.

687
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: And more than that, you gotta know your mechanics, how

688
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: you look you're right. Also, you know when we throw

689
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: our flags, there's there's a we're not just throwing it.

690
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: You gotta we got to you gotta get to certain

691
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: spots because those flags represent what the foul was there isn't. Yeah,

692
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: you got to get to a certain area, okay, the

693
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: foul happened there. Also, you want to miss players, right,

694
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: we want to hit players, Well, was then time, but

695
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: that's that's you know, we don't want to do that.

696
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta be decent with you. Sometimes you'll

697
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: see ificials, we get excited and we start missing it,

698
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's a fumble for us. Right Like that

699
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: looks crazy, but you know you want to be spoons

700
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: with it when you get it. Because you do this,

701
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: it makes you look nervous.

702
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Please tell me you'll like, oh, you don't know what

703
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: you're doing. Please tell me, y'all make fun of each

704
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: other from when y'all y'all we got we got to

705
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah your hat, Yeah, you drop the hat just.

706
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Like in meetings with us, you know it's coming that

707
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: next week they're gonna get on you right, yeah they should. Yeah.

708
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the new technology with the

709
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: with the football and how how it's being measured and

710
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: and things like that. What are you and do you

711
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: think it will help?

712
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: The game? Game is so I mean, it's down to

713
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: the inch now, right, it's getting so cameras and everybody's watching.

714
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: So I think technology can help us. We don't want

715
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: to to run the game, right, we don't. We don't.

716
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: We don't want to run it, just cameras. At the

717
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: same time, technology can help with certain spots and certain

718
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: situations where we can't see we can't see everything, so.

719
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: Especially with the way some of the cameras set up,

720
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: you literally just can't can't see, right.

721
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: So I think technology can help, and we're embracing it

722
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: and we're letting you know, we're trying new things every

723
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: year with spots and just getting where the ball should be.

724
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: And so I think you're going to see more and

725
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: more and more of that as the game as the

726
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: years going.

727
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: Nate, do you give all these other like the UFL,

728
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: do you give them all the credit?

729
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: How much credit do you give them?

730
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: Because they're the they're the trial and their league right now?

731
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: And I hate to say that for the technology, we're.

732
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: The technologies for a lot of the things that the

733
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: NFL is like, I think we may adopt that.

734
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I would have to think that there's some type of

735
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: relationship with Hey, we're gonna let y'all try this first,

736
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: and if it works, we're gonna pick it up.

737
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done half to yes, like the quick replays

738
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: now they're like, yeah, you don't even.

739
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: Have to go and look at it. We got it. Yeah,

740
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: expertitic reviews some of this stuff. And I think fans

741
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: love it. I think people's game love it. I think

742
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: coaches love it. So try it here, move it on

743
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: up and so it works. And actually the UFL is

744
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: it's another good training ground for younger officials that are

745
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: working their way up to the NFL because a lot

746
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: of those guys that work there are you know, getting

747
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: looked at. So it's great to have that league around

748
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: just push year. Nay, what a question. I mean, it's

749
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: a super hard play to officiate. It. It was you

750
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: know when they got it's hard about it? Well, it's

751
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: I think it's the line up that the guys when

752
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: they line up on that line and who's off side

753
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: and who's not right because it is it just the

754
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: hand in front of the ball, is it not? It's

755
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: other than that for us, deep guys, we're trying to

756
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: just you know, we're looking for this. Those guys on

757
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: the line got a hard job because it's it's it's

758
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, forty four hands in there and whose hand

759
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: is where? And but the players. I don't mind the play.

760
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't mind the play. I don't either by the

761
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: letter of the law. From what I was my understanding

762
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: of my interpretation, and the law was all about how

763
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: you interpret it. You are not supposed to aid the runner,

764
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: correct and philosophy thing. We don't want you pulling the runner.

765
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: You can push and push all they for.

766
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: Me, No, you have a foul now is pulling or

767
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: you actually pick a guy up and walk him in

768
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: that's the foul. Everybody get into a scrum and pushing,

769
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: that's that's right now, that's fair game. Mm hmmm. So

770
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: we can push, we can't. We don't want to pull.

771
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: We don't want to lift up, you know, praise, jump

772
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: on somebody's shoulders. That's that's foul. Those are fouls. But

773
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: a scrum and gosh, everybody in it like that that's

774
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: just it's it's too hard to stay consistent on that.

775
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: So know that that right now, that's why the pushes

776
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: is able to go understood. I'm good, I'm good.

777
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has an angle. I want to I want

778
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: to ask you. We got a couple more minutes. I

779
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: want to be able to ask you about somebody who

780
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: I think has probably had a really good influence on you,

781
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 2: and that's Greg Ciano.

782
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Seems like the only coach that can win at Rutgers. Wow,

783
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: it hurts, man, but yeah, no, it's go ahead.

784
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: No, I want to what has he meant to you

785
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: as a coach, I mean as a player, as a person.

786
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: Who was he because I've heard really good stories about

787
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: him then I've heard like, you know, when he was

788
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: at Tampa, man, he was like brutally hard on guys

789
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: and so but at Rutgers he's been successful, right, And

790
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: you know, we.

791
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: Know a lot of college coaches. Is tough enough to

792
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: make that trans but it is to answer your question. Now,

793
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Greg's been great for Rutgers, for the state of New Jersey.

794
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm proud of Rutgers. I'm proud of New Jersey.

795
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Greg Ciano actually sat me down in his office, you know,

796
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: that same year before that, and because I was this

797
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: guy that was you know, I mean, I'm playing, but

798
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm also like I'm going to Wall Street, I'm gonna

799
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: go study this finance, and I'm gonna live in New

800
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: York right that that's and he actually sat me down

801
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: one day. It was like between my sophomore and junior year.

802
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: He could tell I was kind of, you know, waffling

803
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: and you know flow, just floating through, like you know,

804
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: not really appreciating the opportunity. And you know, Greg he

805
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: had came from Miami, he came from the Bears, and

806
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: he had all his experience, and so he sat me down.

807
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: He was the first person to really tell me, like,

808
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: you have what it takes to make it. Never heard

809
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: that before really, So when you so it's true, when

810
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: you tell a kid at that impressionable age that he's

811
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: good enough to do something, how that could just you know,

812
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: get things going. So he did. He didn't say in

813
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: those words, there's a lot more, you know what I mean,

814
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: curse and every but but you know, I'm taking internships

815
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: at Merrill Lynch and I'm doing things over the summer.

816
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get you. I'm trying to get you

817
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: somewhere else, come come back, you know, and so and

818
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: so it was. And I have a respect for him

819
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: for that. And uh yeah, Greg was good. He was

820
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: he was good for me. He was good. He's good

821
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: for the program. I'm happy they're still there in the

822
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: Big ten. They are so we put good, good players

823
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: out every year. We got guys do the NFL. So

824
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm happy for Rutgers. Right. So I want to talk

825
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: about twenty twelve.

826
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a show called Jacket, and it's supposed to

827
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: be the sports version of Friends.

828
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: And you shot the pilot. Yeah, what happened with it? Man?

829
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: I thought I was trying to get in Hollywood, man,

830
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: Hollywood finance. Yeah, you just creative. I was a firefighter too, Okay, Yeah,

831
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: I did a lot of stuff. Man. You know, actually

832
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: when you when you get out of the league, you

833
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of go through that period where you're trying to

834
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: I was an agent, I was. I was. I was

835
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: doing the FBI. I was in that route too, by

836
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: the way, I did that, And so I was looking

837
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: at everything, you know, secret service. I just you know,

838
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to find trying to reinvent yourself right to

839
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: get to where we are now, because once you the league,

840
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: you kind of you got that identity crisis. You're like,

841
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: you know, where do I Where do I fit in

842
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: society now? Right? And so I tried a lot of things.

843
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: I tried a lot of things, and so that was

844
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: an experiment in LA and with some people, and it

845
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: was cool to kind of see how LA works and

846
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: having any auditions and all that. But I quickly learned

847
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: that that world is not for me. So that just

848
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: got shelved. We'll be right back. One of the questions

849
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: we asked all of our guests for people of influence,

850
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: people that have helped you, shaped you, mold you to

851
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: who you are today from the time you're born till

852
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: today right now, who would those four people be? You know?

853
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Shout out to my parents, right, both of them still around,

854
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: still together, Love them. Mom and Dad had a height.

855
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: I had a pee week coach, mister Patterson. He was

856
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: my first football coach when I was young, high school coach.

857
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: And then again just just probably the bills parcels and

858
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: it's more than four. But I could just keep naming them, man,

859
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: because I didn't get here on my own. Yeah, id

860
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: to get her on my own. I had a lot

861
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: of breaks, had a lot of people vouched for me.

862
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: A lot of people buy into me and believe in me.

863
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: So I can. I could probably list twenty, but just

864
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: those immediate people that had impacts on our lives. The coaches,

865
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: the parents, day in day out, take you back and

866
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: forth to practice. My grandmother when she couldn't drive at night,

867
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: and she drive it real slow picking me up from practice,

868
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: and all the cars are behind us, and I'm just

869
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: you know those people, man, Yeah, none moments, man, I'm

870
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: just like, I problemse. I'm not gonna get mad next

871
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: time I'm behind that yeah, yeah, leaving it. Be careful

872
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: on man, man, because she might be picking that brands

873
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: up for practice. That next star might be in the

874
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: car right there, he's right right Manah, there's those people

875
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: who I'm getting mad. I'm sorry, I'm getting mad out

876
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: the way. So no, it was, it was. It was

877
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: those people who I mean just you know, throughout my youth,

878
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: high school and college, yeah, careers, and then yeah, they

879
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: just they just bought in. So I appreciate them. Yeah. Yeah,

880
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: last one I got for you. You what I'm alan? I

881
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: some diamond ear rings and when you be officiating. Yeah,

882
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think nobody out there linging boy,

883
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: Nate man.

884
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: I got to ask this before I give you all

885
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: your flowers too. You're traveler, yeah all right, you're you're

886
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: not married?

887
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: No? Do you have kids? No? No kids? Not married?

888
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: You should travel? All right? I love it. You've been

889
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: to how many countries? Eighty eighty five?

890
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: Ninety five? Now that article was older, yes, all right,

891
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: oh yeah, so all right, ninety five countries.

892
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't even ask for a top five.

893
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: But where where would you say, you know, for all

894
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: of our I guess single listeners out there. I guess

895
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: I can ask married listeners next. But you you you're

896
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: not even looking at that. Let's just give me your

897
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: five places that we should go.

898
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think single or marriage everybody. Yeah, good,

899
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: stay out of trouble with that one. So you got

900
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: to you got them. I'm not gonna get in, So

901
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: go ahead. I think the Mediterranean region is just my favorite.

902
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: You've been there, Yeah, we've been there. Yeah, we've been

903
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: south South South Africa, south of France. Yeah, the food,

904
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: the vibe, everything over there. I just got back from Dubai.

905
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: If you've never been there. That's from a travel right. So,

906
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: and then you know in Africa, which is a contint

907
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: I need to get to more of. But you say,

908
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: you got to Egypt and South Africa and just being

909
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: out there. I'm trying to get the Kenya this year.

910
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Was there in December. Yeah, okay, amazing, good. Yeah, I

911
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: want to check that off the list. So some of

912
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: these places in that part of the world is just

913
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: you got to go to Ghana too, Yeah, yeah, Ghana. Uh,

914
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: but those are those are some. And then you got Japan,

915
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: which was my first My first big trip was to

916
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: Japan and I was like in the league, like twenty

917
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: two years old, and so that's that vibe over there

918
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: and just the cold shu. They really preserved their culture there,

919
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: really kind of friendly to Americans. And so I've been

920
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: to some crazy places too, as far as I've been

921
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: a Haiti on a mission trip, which is probably the

922
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: most dangerous place I've ever been. You know, just out

923
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: there and you know that it's it's still pretty dangerous.

924
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: And so I kind of covered the whole gambit. But

925
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: I really love the Mediterranean region the most. The food,

926
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: the culture, of the vibe is just it's incredible.

927
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm still amazed that Japan is one of the only

928
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: places to never be colonized.

929
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: It's one of the only few countries I've never been.

930
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: That's why they preserved their culture.

931
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: That is exactly why I love that they have fully

932
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: bought in being self depended all the time, because they

933
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: understand that part of it. Super interesting, Nate Man, Man, dude,

934
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: great job. We could sit up here and talk and

935
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: I know Peanut would just fire more and more officiating

936
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: questions at you, but we'll try to do that off camera.

937
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Man number thirty three on the field right here too,

938
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: to number thirty three on the field. That's referee, right.

939
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: I'll be looking for you now because I guess that's

940
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: how we got to try and record easy Easy.

941
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: On one of your own is down there. Make it

942
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: easy on them, all right.

943
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: We will, man, dude. And uh, I know you guys

944
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: keep your hats on so you try and stay out

945
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: of the way, all right. Man, Thanks for pouring into us, bro.

946
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 2: That was awesome. I really really enjoyed your story, your journey.

947
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: Like I said before, you are first and so hopefully

948
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: you won't be our last, and that we'll have to

949
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: have this coming up yeah. Yeah, it's not only that,

950
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: but dude, come back, yeah, come back. We can pat

951
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: it more so and you can give us more and

952
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: more stories. Man, So thank you for that. You want

953
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: to say anything before I get us out of here?

954
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Now you got it?

955
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: I got it baby coming and pouring into us the

956
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: gout man. For all of our viewers and listeners out there,

957
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: wherever you pick up your podcast whereas iHeartRadio Apple podcasts,

958
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Speaker 2: give us a five star rating review, click that follow button,

959
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: leave a couple of comments and read them for you.

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00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely try to read.

961
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: Check us out on the NFL YouTube channel we go man,

962
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: tell a friend to tell a friend to do what Peanut?

963
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: Check us out, baby, Peanut, get us out of here, man,

964
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm Peanut Nate Rome. This is the NFL Player's second

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Speaker 1: XT podcast, Way Out.