1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: Our number two of the Drive here on a Monday, 4 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: as we roll along into our around the League segment 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: here and Matt some significant developments here around the future 6 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: of Trey Hendrickson and the Cincinnati Bengals. I think that 7 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: this has fallen a little bit under the radar of 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: conversation lately, mainly because I think Michael Parsons is dominating 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: in that realm, and there's been some movement around contract 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: extensions and some stuff like that for some other guys, 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: but obviously all pro led the league in sacks last year. 12 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Hendrickson big deal for him and for the Bengals, this 13 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: kind of stalemate that they've seemingly had well. According to 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: Jordan Schultz, the Bengals have restarted talks with Trey Hendrickson 15 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: on a new deal. His understanding is the two sides 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: have been exploring a more unique avenue to get something 17 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: done for twenty twenty five, giving Hendrickson more money this 18 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: season while still letting his contract expire after the year. 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: There's more work none, wow, but there's cautious optimism. 20 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: Okay, interesting I didn't hear that. I just heard that 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: they had opened up talks again. Now, I guess that's 22 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 3: an interesting way of talking through it. Is, Hey, maybe 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: we're not going to give you the long term extension 24 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: that you want, but we'll give you a nice chunk. 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: Let's try to win it now you could presumably hit 26 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: the market. Is that what they were saying? 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we'll letting his contract expire after this year. 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: And I would think if you're him, you put like 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: a no franchise tag clause in there too, because I 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 3: don't want to go through this all again in next summer, 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: you know, like if you then go franchise me again 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: and I still don't get what I want. So, by 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: the way that that sounds from Jordan Schultz is Okay, 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: give me a big chunk now, probably most of it guaranteed. 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: It's not like you're gonna get cut in week ten anyway. 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: If you're Trey Hendrickson. So I get a big chunk, 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: I play out and then I actually become a free agent. 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: Where I'm still in kind of the age. 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: Yeah right right, Maybe end up with twelve sacks not 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 3: eighteen or whatever he had. Whatever, you have a good year, 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: as I would imagine he does. He does every year, 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: highly marketable, would make a ton on the open market. 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: But what I don't get is the Bengals would get 44 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: nothing for it, though, right, you know what I mean? 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: Like I mean, I guess it's a good message to 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: the team. We think we go win the Super bowls year. 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: This is a big piece of it. If it means 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: we don't get a second and third round pick for him, 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: so be it. Let's try to win, and I guess 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: I get something in the comp game a year later 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 3: if he leaves. But still, okay, I mean, I'm open 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 3: to that. I always, I always have a hard time 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: commenting when the news is okay, they're going to go 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: talk again. But this one sounds like they're at least 55 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: going to take a different approach. 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: You know, Yes, that that's interesting. That is interesting because 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: maybe there is some of that, like, hey, if you 58 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: could just give me the guarantees that I want for 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: this year, we can amicably part our ways. 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: And him, I'd love to be a free agent. He's 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: gonna make, you. 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Know, especially like you said, if he goes out and 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: has twelve sacks, fourteen even you know, fourteen fifteen sacks 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: like he would. He would be nicely compensated on the 65 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: open lie like I. 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: Don't think he's worth the Watt or Garrett deal at 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: his age and he's not quite as good. Yes, but 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: he might get it a year from now because five 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: teams are competing for him, you know. 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: Totally, totally and kind of sticking with some breaking news 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: around the league as well too, Matt. This happened earlier today. 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: The commanders and Terry McLaurin his holding finally over three 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: year contract extension worth over ninety six million dollars. As scary, 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: Terry gets the payday he's been looking for for the 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: last few weeks. 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: Can't say I'm shocked. I mean, even when it got 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: is nasty as a got. At some points I thought 78 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: they're better off with him. I mean, as good as 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels is. I still want my my Woodie. I 80 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: still want my best guy. You know, we're trying to win. 81 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: We're a final fourteen last year, even though they are older. 82 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: I think you have to keep your core dudes, which 83 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 3: he still is. It sounds like he made a little 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: less than DK metcalf, you know, but I haven't seen 85 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: the exact contract. Stuff, But I mean just. 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Per year, per year, little bit. 87 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: I think he's like ninth or tenth a MONTHST receiver 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: Jamar Chase has won Metcalf's like six or seven, yes, 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: give or take, but it was slightly under and I 90 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: thought that if I was his agent, I would go 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: with the Metcalf one. You know, like DK's the same 92 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: draft classes at me. He is two years younger, two 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: years important. But I probably I had a better year. 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: He had a better twenty twenty four of the Metcalf did, 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: so I thought that would be comparable, and it is. 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 3: It's a good move for the for Washington. 97 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty, Matt, there are four wide receivers that 98 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: have five thousand yard plus seasons receiving them. Oh really 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson yeah, hall of fame, Mike Evans, hall of fame, yeah, 100 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: Davante Adams problem, hall of fame, yeah, Terry McCluin. 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: Okay, it's just consistency and he is not in the 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: quarterback play those guys have either. Yeah, right right, he 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: finally got it. 104 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: And I think for jayde and Daniels too, there was 105 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: probably some of that, like, hey, can we can we 106 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: get this done with my guy here. I'm not going 107 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: into Week one without them. 108 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: It's kind of a Burrowchase situation too, Like if you're 109 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: going to reward your court, you know, you're all in 110 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: on your quarterback, and then you take his best thing away. 111 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: It's not good for Mojo. 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right, Matt. I wanted to get your 113 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: thoughts on this news as well too. Across the Commonwealth, 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, always busy man releasing their sixth round 115 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 2: draft pick at quarterback and Kyle McCord. No, did they Okay, 116 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: they did already have three the three quarterbacks they're gonna keep, they' 117 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: gonna be Jalen Hurts, Tanner McKee and Sam Howell. Okay, 118 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: but this is you know, this is a guy who 119 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: they traded. 120 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: For dtr as well in the picket trade they did, 121 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: and now he's on. 122 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: Now he got as well too, And so Kyle McCord, 123 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: who was drafted I believe ahead of Will Howard if 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 2: I'm remembering correctly, a couple of spots. 125 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: I think Syracuse kid I liked him a lot too 126 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: coming out. 127 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: Now now being being released, but. 128 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: I would assume McCord's gonna end up on it. 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: I would assume he might even end up on the 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: Eagles practice school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think this 131 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: is obviously not far uh or far from it for him, 132 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: But no, no, just I thought that that was interesting 133 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: to see him, you know, released straight up and them 134 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: not trying to kind of keep him as the third 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: guy and maybe do something else. 136 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to talk about here. So 137 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: first of all, I think Tanner McKee has been so impressive, 138 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: agree that he might end up being starter somewhere. They 139 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: may trade him for something or And plus he's not 140 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: nothing like Hurts. I mean, he's a pure pocket passer. 141 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: You'd have to you know, a totally different offense when 142 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: he was in there. But they found a guy in McKey. 143 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: I didn't realize this until after the trade. McKee injured 144 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: his finger and is going to be out for a 145 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: few games. I mean, not a ton. So they want 146 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: how to be the number two for now. But how 147 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: is a guy the Eagles played against a lot when 148 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: he was a commander, he was starting quarterback there. He 149 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: has ability. I mean I think he's kind of a 150 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: wild card. He's overly aggressive and you know, writes checks. 151 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: His body can't always cash type of guy. But I 152 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: equated him on my podcast earlier today that at this stage, 153 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: I bet he's like a Ryan Fitzpatrick that plays for 154 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: like eight teams in twelve years. He's already be on 155 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: his third team or fourth team. Actually he's on his 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: fourth team already and is a solid backup. And you 157 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: don't want to stardom, but you can. And I always 158 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: give the Eagles a ton of credit. There's such a 159 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: forward thinking organization. They make a lot of trades. I mean, 160 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: they made o line trades that people would even know 161 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: the guy they've been moved this weekend. But they're always 162 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: making moves a quarterback always always. I mean the trade 163 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: for Picket was weird. The trade Picket was weird, you know, 164 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: to trade for him. I mean, like, it's not weird, 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: it's just if we get our hit. I assume what 166 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: their thoughts are on the quarterback position are it's so important. 167 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: I mean, and this goes back to Wentz, who actually 168 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: replaced how with the Vikings. Yeah, so the Vikings trade 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: how sign Wentz, but Wentz was borderline MVP guy and 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: they'd use a second round. 171 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: Injured his knee out in LA. 172 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they use a second round pick on Hurts. 173 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: I mean, they're you're never really safe there. They're always 174 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: looking for the next guy. Couldn'tmckee be so good that 175 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: they trade Hurts? I mean that organization. I wouldn't put 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: anything past them, but I think what they do as 177 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: a quarterback, which is so smart, is there's something we 178 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: liked about how pick it dtr Let's get our hands 179 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: on them for a couple months or a year. See 180 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: if we can get those traits out of them. Chances 181 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: are you can't because the other organizations didn't either. Yeah, 182 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: but if we can behind this line with Saquan and 183 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: our receivers, we might have struck gold. You know. So 184 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: let's just keep trying and if one out of five 185 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: hits or one out of ten hit, it's worth it. 186 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Wyn't you give anything up? 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: I think it was was it twenty nineteen when they 188 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: drafted Hurts? I want to say, does that sound right 189 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: to you? 190 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: It's the Burrough draft? Okay, it was like Burrow to 191 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: Herbert Love and Hurts. That's a really good draft. 192 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: That's right. I remember, because, like you said, that was 193 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: I think a year removed from Carson Wentz being a LEGITIMV. 194 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right right. It was a second round pick, 195 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: so it wasn't as scary, but it was still a 196 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: little odd. 197 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: It was a little odd. Yeah, And you know, this 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: was I had at this time point in time, I 199 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: had left Philadelphia and working for the Eagles organization and 200 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: I was back here. Yeah, but I still, obviously, I 201 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: mean it was only a few months later, you know, 202 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: was still pretty tapped into everything that I had been 203 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: doing there. And I remember, and you just like getting 204 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: ingrained in a market for a few years, you don't 205 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: just like turn that off all the thame, you know, 206 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: Like my social media still has Eagles stuff in it 207 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: from people that I follow and worked with when I 208 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: was out there, And I remember all the reaction around that. 209 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: And Howie Roseman one of the things that he said 210 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: in his post draft press conference, and I remember, like 211 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: people doing what we do for a living, like mocking. 212 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: Howie Roseman said that they wanted to be a quarterback 213 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: factory in Philadelphia, and people want way to do it. 214 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: People were making like funny photoshops Matt of like Carson 215 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: Wentz and Jalen Hurts in an assembly line of quarterbacks, 216 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: you know, but like who's laughing. 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: Now, right, right, right? I mean there's super Bowls. It's 218 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: the most important position. I mean, the guys they have 219 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: on the roster right now, none of them were top 220 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: picks either. I mean, Hurts was a two McKee and 221 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: these last guys they don't have a lot invested in. 222 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: And if you're still a plus team at that position, 223 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: or maybe there is a day that Hurts, who signed 224 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: a big contract, isn't worth it anymore. He blows out 225 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: in knee, ear an ankle and can't run like he 226 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: used to. And I need to have a backup plan. 227 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: And I still think they could turn m Key into 228 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: a second or third round pick to a quarterback needy 229 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 3: team now too. I mean it's it's good collateral, it's good, 230 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: you know, investments like even the Brady era Patriots yea, 231 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: and the Rogers to Farve era Packers, two of the 232 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: smartest teams in the league, would use a third round 233 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: pick on Jimmy Garoppolo or Brissette and had no chance 234 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: of starting, but their assets. You know, there's a there's 235 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 3: a scouting team building theory that you should draft a quarterback. 236 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: Every every year. Yeah, offensive lineman every. 237 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: I think shul draft tackle every year. I believe that 238 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: more more than ever. Yeah, or at least in offensive lineman. 239 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: And you look at how many of them those great quarterbacks, 240 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: and obviously there's like the the Aaron Rodgers example of Yeah, 241 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: but even you know, guys like Mark Brunell. 242 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: I say, Brunell and Hasselback. 243 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: The two with the Packers when the really successful careers. 244 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: Everyone of course knows, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo and some 245 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: of the guys that the Patriots had as well too. 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I certainly think that that is at as 247 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: good business. And yeah, yeah, worst case scenario, you have a. 248 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: You know, high end backup, that's the thing. 249 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: The best case scenario, maybe you flip them into a 250 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: couple first round picks like the Packers did back then. 251 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, I mean, maybe he never plays 252 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: at all, but it's insurance somebody's probably gonna be at 253 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: least having conversations with you and just keep churning that room. 254 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: I appreciate how the Eagles do business, and it's not 255 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: an accident that they're the super Bowl champs because they're 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: ahead of the game. And I think a lot of 257 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: teams could learn a thing or two, you know, like 258 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: they always will. Drafted offensive tackle at the end of 259 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: the draft and just jorted my lot. He's a perfect 260 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: one and one hits and you're now. 261 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 2: You're maybe the best tackle right. 262 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: Right, you know, So they're doing good stuff. 263 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they absolutely are. That's kind of it for around 264 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: the league to Yeah, unless unless you're recalling anything that 265 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: I missed, But I think that's about it for the 266 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: news of the day. 267 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: Did that Brian Robinson trade happen Brian Robins after we 268 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: were together? 269 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: That's a good question. Did that happen Friday? I think 270 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: I think it's so blurred this time of year. 271 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: But he's just going to be McCaffrey's pure backup. I mean, 272 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: they love the young guys in Washington. 273 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I know Washington has some young guys, 274 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: but now also feels like and what is a big 275 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: year for them and Janie Daniels that they got some 276 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: questions at that's some unknown at that running back. 277 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean Jikowsky Merrit is a kind of 278 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: an odd situation. I don't know if you even knew 279 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: this story, but he transferred, i think to Arizona and 280 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 3: because of Jersey numbers, or something. He couldn't play last year. 281 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 3: There was some stupid NCAA rule and he should have 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: probably been like a third or fourth round pick and 283 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: a really loaded running back draft goes to the sixth 284 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: or seventh because he didn't have any film last year, gotcha, 285 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: and he's been lighting up camp. So they have him 286 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: and Eckler and then they have this Ivan Rodriguez character, 287 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: who's the Benny Snell who plays teams. So they didn't 288 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: really have a spot for Robinson and that's what they're 289 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: rolling with. But it's a little uncertain. 290 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, Yeah, without a doubt. But hey, 291 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: we will see how that all plays out. Absolutely. Let's 292 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: take a break here. What do you say, Matt. We 293 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: want to do some We want to do some fantasy 294 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: football conversations starting. 295 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of people are drafting this week, 296 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: and you know, maybe we'll take a position and dig 297 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: into it. 298 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: I like it. Let's do that when we return. Well, Shuler, 299 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, It is the Drive here on Steelers Nation 300 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 301 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 302 00:14:50,520 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 303 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: We are getting to uh, I mean, I think we 304 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: are in it here, Matt. The peak of fantasy football 305 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: draft season, what like the next next seven you know, 306 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: from now until Labor Day. 307 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: It's this upcoming weekend is really your last chance, of course, 308 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: but this is some probably already did their draft last 309 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: weekend or tonight or whatever, but this week is as 310 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: busy a fantasy fantasy football draft stuff as you could 311 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: get to. 312 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: Yesh, Absolutely, a lot of people have fantasy draft parties 313 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: this weekend. A lot of people you know, do stuff 314 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: throughout the week this week. And so with that, we'll 315 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: kind of start plugging away maybe segment or two every 316 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: single day, maybe back half of the Obviously we know 317 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: tomorrow will be a big fifty three man roster. 318 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably gonna dominate a lot of our conversation. 319 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: But maybe Wednesday Thursday we can get into this is 320 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: some some mock drafts, signed by Style style stuff as 321 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: well too. Is Obviously you are very versed in fantasy football. 322 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: You and Dale built up regular fantasy football conversation on 323 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: this show, and a lot of your listeners, I know, 324 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: rely on that. And so let's guess we can kind 325 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: of start at the top, start with quarterbacks today. 326 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to break down my quarterback list year, got. 327 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: Your quarterback list here, and I am you know, I 328 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: think there's a couple what some people might consider surprises 329 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: on here, but let's get into it. Josh Allen number one. 330 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that's much of a surprise. 331 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, before we get started, I mean fantasies and these 332 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: are not the same as quarterback ranks. I mean running 333 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: is so so so important. 334 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: Correct, and you'll see that with somebody that Matt has 335 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: in his Yeah, yeah, top seven here. 336 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: So the top four standalone, they're they're tier one. They're 337 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: all do everything guys, and if you put them in 338 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: any order, I would one hundred percent understand. But my 339 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: order for tier one is Alan Lamar, Jaden Hurts. And 340 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: they're all going to go pretty high. They're all on 341 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: so big time offense. 342 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts. 343 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, they're going early in drafts right now, like 344 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: as early as early second round type guys. You know, 345 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: they're safe as could be. You're almost always gonna have 346 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: an advantage over whoever you're playing in fantasy that week. 347 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: They run like crazy, they produce touchdowns like crazy. I 348 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: picked Allen to be first, and it's again all four 349 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: of them. If you put them in any order, I 350 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 3: would understand. He just produces touchdowns at a remarkable at 351 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: a remarkable, crazy historic rate, you know, no matter what, 352 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: no matter what's around them. 353 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: I think that that makes a lot of sense, and 354 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: that run game component is so valuable, that finding a 355 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 2: way to get into the end zone component is so valuable. 356 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 2: Number five, you have Joe Burrow. 357 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: And he stands alone in his own tier, like almost 358 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: everyone has him at five. A lot of the analysts, 359 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: I like, maybe the top four is a little different, 360 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: but they're the same four. They're a tier across the 361 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: fantasy landscape. And then Burrows alone. Now he throws so 362 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 3: much into great players and when they get near the 363 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: goal line, it goes to Higgins and Chase. You know, 364 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: there's not a lot of mystery with this guy, and 365 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: he runs a little more than you think. But if 366 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: he ran like Daniels or Allen or Lamar, h'd be 367 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: in tier one. Yeah, that's the thing that keeps him 368 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 3: in his own tier. 369 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And I think again, like you said, most 370 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: people different orders and stuff, but along the same kind 371 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: of lines of that conversation. This is when it starts 372 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: to get interesting to. 373 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: Me a little. Yeah. 374 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes at six. 375 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: Okay, he also is in his own. 376 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: Time, maybe even I should say seven is where it 377 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: starts to get. 378 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: A little yeah. And I know some people have people 379 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 3: guys ahead of my homes because frankly, if you look 380 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: at his last two or three years just for fantasy, 381 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 3: not outstanding, Noah, they're like quarterback ten eleven. You know, 382 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: he doesn't run. There's a misconception about his running. He's 383 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: very good at it, but everyone watches every Chiefs playoff game. 384 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 3: He runs like crazy in the playoff because he has 385 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 3: to in the post in the in the regular season, 386 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: they don't take the hits. He doesn't. If it's starting one, 387 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: he hands it all, you know, like on the goal line. 388 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: He doesn't quarterback sneak it ever. You know, he's one 389 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: of those guys at it. Hardly ever sneaks the ball. 390 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: So that being said, he's still Patrick Frick and Mahomes, 391 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: and I think this is just a tinfoil hat thing. 392 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: All these lists Sando's quarterback tiers, et cetera, Atlan and 393 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: Lamar and Burrow are starting to nip at his heels 394 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: a little bit. Who's the best quarterback on the plane. 395 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: Oh and now you're not talking fantasy, You're talking about 396 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: real world, you know, like insane, because I think you 397 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: can make a legit, good faith argument that Mahomes is 398 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: the best quarterback we've ever seen. 399 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: He is my number one I've ever seen. 400 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: But I think the gap between him and everybody else 401 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: now is a little bit slimmer than it was two 402 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: or three years. 403 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: Agree. And I bet he knows this too, And he 404 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: might just give the whole plan at the finger and 405 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: throw fifty touchdowns, you know what I mean, Like that's 406 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: possible this year. He might just run away with MVP 407 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: and be by far the number one, not necessarily fantasy, 408 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: but number one player on the planet. I think that's 409 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: within realm of possibilities, So I can't drop him too far. 410 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 2: And then this is where this gets hair interesting. 411 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: And I don't ever draft this at neighborhood, like I'm 412 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: gonna wait usually instead of going to these guys, you 413 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, instead of pulling the trigger 414 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: on the consensus like seven through ten, I probably am 415 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: just gonna wait and take somebody else, you know, I 416 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: get what you're saying because they go higher than I'm 417 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: willing to pay for them. Makes sense, But this is 418 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 3: where people were, the non fantasy people are gonna lose 419 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: their mind. 420 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: This next day, you got Justin Field's number seven. 421 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: So the Steelers are even ran Fields and he still 422 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: was like the fifth highest scoring fantasy quarterback when he 423 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: started for the Steelers last year. Interesting, and didn't even 424 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: throw that many balls. You know, he just always runs. 425 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: I think there's one two quarterbacks in NFL history that 426 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 3: average more rushing yards per game. 427 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: It's probably like Lamar, and it's Lamar. 428 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: And maybe Vickers. You know it's somebody else that's an 429 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: obvious name. He's rushed for a thousand yards in his career. 430 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 3: We'll talk about this in Jets week, but I've been 431 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: making the joke about the Jets like they're gonna look 432 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: like a service academy how much they run the ball. Yes, 433 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: and that's what it comes down to, Like if he 434 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: only throws for one hundred and eighty yards in a touchdown, 435 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: but he runs for sixty, he's gonna be a top 436 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: six or seven quarterback that week. It's just how the 437 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: scoring system goes, and why would they not run him. 438 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: Number eight on your list is a guy who I 439 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: think you'll be proud of me. Was one of my 440 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: great coups of my latest fantasy draft, Kyler Murray Nice 441 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: who I got fifteen round draft. I got him in 442 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: like the twelfth round. 443 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: I think if people have soured on him, you know, 444 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: and he's not quite the player he's lived up to be. Again, 445 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 3: this is the neighborhood. It gets a little foggy for me. 446 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: Maybe you can make arguments for other dudes. This next 447 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: name is my guy. We'll get to him in a minute, 448 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: but he's ranked much lower by everybody else. But it's 449 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: also because this neighborhood to me is a little weak, 450 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of like mid to low end 451 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: true starting fantasy quarterbacks. 452 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of question marks around like Drake 453 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: May and Bo Nicks, right, all these dudes, even a 454 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: Justin Field's in a brand new system. 455 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he could get benched. I mean it's possible. 456 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: I mean they could have a terrible season. Who knows, 457 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: But Kyler's possible to he could rush for six hundred 458 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: and throw for four thousand. Yeah, you know, I mean 459 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: that's just a combination that the few have. 460 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think he's one of the 461 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: more underrated quarterbacks on most people's lists. I like that 462 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: you have him at number eight. At number nine, you 463 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: have your crush, Drake May. 464 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: That is my crush. And I hope my league mates 465 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: aren't listening. But there's a really good chance he'll be 466 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: my quarterback if I wait, because he's going as like 467 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: the fifteenth quarterback in ADP. 468 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: You'll probably get him the last rounderew, you can. 469 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: Get him real late. I don't feel super confident about it, Like, 470 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: if my buddies take him, so be it. I'm not 471 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: going to cry. But they didn't design any rushes for 472 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 3: him last year, and he still ended up with a 473 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: lot of rushing yards, but they were all scrambles. Now 474 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: they're definitely going to design rushing yards for the guy totally. 475 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: They've way better weapons, and frankly, I just think he's 476 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: going to be a great player. I mean, Stieler fans 477 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: are going to hate this, but I think he's like 478 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: the next great AFC quarterback to cause problems for the Steelers. 479 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: A lot of those. Yeah, there are. We will see 480 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: him up at uh up in Foxboro week. 481 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, Yeah, yeah. 482 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Number ten on your list, Bo Nicks, He's He's one 483 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: that I think could really solidify himself as one of 484 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: the better fantasy football quarterbacks this year with his skill 485 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: set and with kind of the system that he's going 486 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: to play in Quarterback Friendly. He runs a lot. 487 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean may and Knicks run a lot more 488 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: than you think people think. Yeah they do, they absolutely do. 489 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: And number eleven on your list, I think kind of 490 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: similar ish conversation with Baker Mayfield. He was one of 491 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: the first ones that raised my eyes. Not anything crazy, 492 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: but like I've seen Peep, I've seen a lot of people, 493 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: people that do this for a living, to have him 494 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: as highest seven or eight on their quarterback run. 495 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: And I understand that he's not like you have him 496 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: at seventeen, but I probably won't end up with them though. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: I mean he's my eleventh. And again, I'm probably not 498 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: shopping for quarterbacks in that neighborhood. I would wait. But 499 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: their offense is great and he's got big time weapons, 500 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: seems to have really found himself as a player and 501 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: runs enough. You know twelve Jordan Love, like when we 502 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: did I think you and I went over Sando's quarterback tiers. Yes, 503 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: he's one of the guys I think is him. He's 504 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: one of my votes to jump a. 505 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: Tear vertical mobility. 506 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. He played it injured a lot 507 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 3: last year. I think his career is just really on 508 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: the rise. And first round receiver doesn't hurt, you. 509 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: Know, quarterback friendly coach and system as well too. 510 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very especially This next guy. 511 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: Is Quartereen is one that raised my eyebrows a little bit. 512 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: It's a RISKJ McCarthy. 513 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: It's a risk. 514 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: Is that because you believe in him or you just 515 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: believing so much in that offense and what's around him? 516 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: The latter, I mean what Donald ended up being like 517 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 3: the sixth or seventh best fantasy quarterback last year, and 518 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 3: this guy runs more than Donald. He might not be 519 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 3: as good. I don't know. Well, you haven't seen him. 520 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: They're super high on him. His situation is awesome. You 521 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: can get him cheat, you know. 522 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: And I'll give you kind of a couple of these 523 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: and a bunch here next to if you want to 524 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: fifteen Brock Party sixteen, Caleb Williams seventeen, Trevor Lawrence eighteen. 525 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert yep, and you skip. 526 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: Dak actually sorry, I did. Yes, Dak at fourteen. 527 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna touch on Dak super quick because he doesn't 528 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: run as much as you think. But he's kind of 529 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: the Miller lite version of Joe Burrow. Like I think 530 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: Pickens is gonna have a big year. I think Clam's 531 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: gonna have a big year. And I think they're gonna 532 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: throw a ton in Dallas, and I mean the touchdowns 533 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: could follow. Those other guys have a lot of uncertainty too. 534 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of Caleb Williams could go 535 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: a lot of different directions, Trevor Lawrence could go a 536 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: lot of different directions. I don't dislike that neighborhood. But 537 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: then you get into like Herbert strouda they just don't run. 538 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: Is that it's just it's a problem, you know. I 539 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 3: mean Herbert runs a little, but they're all really good players. 540 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: Herbert Stroud goff to Stafford down the list a little 541 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 3: bit too. Like these guys throw a fair amount of touchdowns, 542 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 3: but they're just not real fantasy friendly. They just don't 543 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: run nearly enough. 544 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: Yes, Like, for example, you've got Geno Smith and Matt 545 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: Stafford twenty five and twenty six, right, I know, you 546 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: would pick both of those guys to win you a 547 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: game over JJ McCarthy. 548 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: But the ore fields are right, of course, right. 549 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: Right, that's not the exercise. 550 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 3: That's not the exercise here, you know. And then there's 551 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: a couple of dudes that are kind of lumped together there, 552 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: Bryce Young cam Ward and Pennix. That Young ran a 553 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: lot last year when they started to get comforted, yea 554 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: more than the stretch. I don't know that cam Ward 555 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: can have a Jayden Daniels rookie year, but they're probably 556 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: gonna be losing a lot, which is good for him 557 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 3: and throwing. He's got all to playmaker ability. And Pennix too, 558 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 3: is another one that'll whip it around a ton, you know, 559 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: like if you're gonna take a shot of somebody that 560 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: could go high. Yeah, they might have big years fantasy wise. 561 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely. And then like I said, twenty five twenty six, 562 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: you've got Geno Matthew Stafford down into Anthony Richardson, Sam 563 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: Darnold at twenty eight, and then finally Aaron Rodgers at 564 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: twenty nine, Russell Wilson at thirty. 565 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we go through These Steelers aren't gonna be 566 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: reflected particularly well for fantasy in any list. I mean, 567 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 3: DK is clearly the first Steeler that comes off the 568 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 3: board in any fantasy draft. But the Steelers are not 569 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 3: super fantasy friendly. You know, who's gonna get the carries well? 570 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: In particular when you're kind of predicated on your defense. 571 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: That doesn't help either. 572 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 3: And the John new trade is awful for fantasy. Who 573 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 3: kills Friar Muth and John Who? Some of these dudes 574 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: like Russell Wilson I have right below Rogers. I don't 575 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 3: know if he even plays the whole year. You know, 576 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: like Dart looks really good. Dart's gonna run more. You know, 577 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 3: Wilson's not gonna run much anymore. Hey, I hope Rogers 578 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: throws forty touchdowns, and he might throw a lot more 579 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: than we've seen around here, but he's gonna give you 580 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: zero on the ground. Yeah, that's him. And Stafford just 581 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: don't run at all. The one name just to throw 582 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: out there that people are like, why are you even 583 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 3: bringing up Richardson? And Dale? And I used to fight 584 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: about Richardson all the time because it it doesn't matter 585 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: if he's good or bad. But I know he's not 586 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: even the starter in Indie right now. Jones is the starter, 587 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: and I probably should move Jones up. But I mean, 588 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: you probably aren't drafting any of those dudes. 589 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: But for your sake, you're not drafting any of those guys. 590 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: But if Richardson gets the start, like if it's announced 591 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: they're zero to three and you're to go to Richardson 592 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: and in week four he's feels, I mean he's seven 593 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: on the list. He's six on the list because he 594 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: runs so much. Yeah, his fantasy points like per snap 595 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: are hurts and Allen level. Even if he doesn't complete 596 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: any passes. I mean, it doesn't eve matter if he's 597 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: good at the game. 598 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: Last question I have for you, I think you do. 599 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 2: You just said a few minutes ago, Sam Darnoald was 600 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: like the eighth is that right? Eighth or ninth? Highest 601 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: last years? 602 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: Maybe even a little higher. 603 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: You've got a twenty eighth this year. That's obviously a 604 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: major drop off. It is talent is different in that 605 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: Minnesota offense than Seattle. But the what's the reasoning for 606 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 2: behind like a twenty twenty one spot drop for Sam Donald. 607 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be very honest and we'll do this with 608 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: all these positions, but it's more obvious with quarterback that 609 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: once you get out of the guys that aren't getting 610 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 3: drafted in fantasy, I'm not spending a lot of time drafting. Sure, 611 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: should he be thirty or should he be twenty six? 612 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: You know, like either way, he's gonna be a free 613 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: agent on your waiver wire and nobody's gonna draft him anyway. 614 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: So I could easily make the argument that he should 615 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: be twenty four and not twenty eighth or whatever, because 616 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: I mean he's with some dudes that aren't getting drafted, 617 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 3: you know, like it's kind of like the who's the 618 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: twenty fifth tight end versus twenty seventh tight end? Sure, 619 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: that's different than the twenty fifth receiver versus you know, 620 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: those guys are all getting drafted. So part of it's 621 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 3: because I just don't care about that that area. And 622 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: he's going to be a free agent if I choose 623 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: to pick him up after my guy gets hurt. Fine, 624 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: But I think they're gonna run the ball a ton 625 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: in Seattle, you know, Like I have Kenneth Walker really 626 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: high on the list of running backs, and I don't 627 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: think Darnold's gonna run all that much, you know, so 628 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: he's bound to go backwards. He doesn't have Justin Jefferson anymore, 629 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, but he might be an okay backup for fantasy. 630 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: I'm not down on him. 631 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that was just you know, 632 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: I just raised me, Yeah, praise my brows there a 633 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: little bit. 634 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: But he's definitely in competition for who's going to go 635 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: down most Fantasy points per game, who's going to decrease 636 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: the most from last year, you know, I certainly, yeah, 637 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: so no doubt. Usage is just way different. 638 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: So if you had your perfect ideal scenario for quarterbacks, 639 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: you would draft Drake May in one of the last 640 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: couple rounds. 641 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he'll probably get after like the first eleven. 642 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Or twelve guyo. 643 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I'd quickly follow him up with like 644 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: Dak or Lawrence and hopefully be stacked everywhere else. You know, 645 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: he's the key. So I'm sure somebody from my league's listening. 646 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: But doesn't matter. Like I'm picking eleventh in this league 647 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: that I've been buddies with forever. Sure, so at eleven, 648 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm not willing to take any of those top four. 649 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: That's too early. And then around the corner I'll pick 650 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: at fourteen. I'm not willing to take any of them 651 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: in the top fourteen. I mean, but I know there's 652 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: almost no chance that they come back to me in 653 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: the late third. 654 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the kind of risk that you have. That's 655 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: the balance. 656 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: You're right. So I'm not telling people not to drink, 657 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: not to go big on quarterback, but we're like, where 658 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: I'm picking, I almost have no choice, you know, Like 659 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm not going to overdraft Allen or Lamar with the 660 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: eleventh overall pick, and I'm not gonna have a chance 661 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: to get him in the third. But I would have 662 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,479 Speaker 3: no problem taking one of those big dogs early. And 663 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: that's usually not my style. So when you said your 664 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: perfect quarterback draft, if I'm picking like seven and Allen's 665 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: there in the second round, but well, strongly consider that. Yeah, yeah, 666 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: I get that. 667 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: So much of this depends on where you're picking from. 668 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: And we'll obviously massage that a little bit when we 669 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: get into some of our mock scenarios later in the week. 670 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: I've got a scenario, fantasy football scenario that I want 671 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: to run past you that I faced on the other 672 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: side a what would you do for Matt Williamson as 673 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: it relates to fantasy football do that to kind of 674 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: keep some fantasy conversation going and close this thing down. 675 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: On the other side, wey Sheeler. Matt Williamson is the 676 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 677 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 678 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 679 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: Final segment today of the Drive here on a Monday, 680 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: as we obviously anxiously anticipate the initial fifty three man 681 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: roster tomorrow. We will have that for you by the 682 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: time we go on air. But to get us out 683 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: of here today, Matt, a fantasy football scenario for you. 684 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: I guess I could say that this is a mock scenario, 685 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: which I pretty much this one too. But this is 686 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: a scenario that I found myself faced with last week. 687 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: Twelve team draft. Yes, okay, which is always important to note. 688 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: I think the amount of teams in the league. 689 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: You guys playing ten and eight and it's kindergarten, right. 690 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: Twelve team draft. I had the fourth pick off the board, obviously, 691 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: are I believe it went Saquon, Bijon Jamar. 692 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: Okay, they're usually the top three in some order. 693 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I know. It was the running backs first and say, 694 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, it was Saquon, then Bijon, then Jamar 695 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: and those were going into it. I said to myself 696 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: picking fourth, and this is this Legit happened to me 697 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: last week. 698 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 699 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, if any of those three are available, 700 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: that's who I'm taking it. Four. If one of my 701 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: buddies messes up and lets me get those three at four, yeah, 702 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: then I was faced with the fourth pick. I'll tell 703 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: you what I did and who I selected, but I 704 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: would like to know how you would have gone there. 705 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: Shouldn't you want me to go first? 706 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So I tell you what I did. I 707 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: want to know what your thought process would have been 708 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: in ultimately, what decision you think you would have made. 709 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: I think there's four names to consider there. I mean 710 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: the two receivers, Jefferson or Lamb, and most people seem 711 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: to have Lamb over Jefferson. I don't feel strong either 712 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: way about that, to be honest with you. I mean, 713 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: Jefferson is just so hard to bet against because he's 714 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: incredible and but and I do think Pickings will hurt 715 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 3: Lamb slightly. But you know, back to that conversation, I 716 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: think they throw the ball a ton so if you 717 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 3: have Lamb over Jefferson, fine, If you Jefferson over Lamb, fine, 718 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: I won't fight you. There're two and three. To me, 719 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: Chase is clearly one. And then what's your level of 720 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: rolling the dice running. 721 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 2: Back exactly right, because you're gonna have to wait a 722 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: long time to that to that you know that that 723 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: pick snakes back. 724 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: To well that too, right, So I think the other 725 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 3: two names are jamieer Gibbs and Christian McCaffrey. Now people 726 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 3: are probably like, I'm not wasting that pick on McCaffrey. 727 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: He gets hurt all the time. Well, he's perfectly fine 728 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 3: now he I don't know if they went back to 729 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: Jim Brown days, but in the Super Bowl era, he's 730 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: the best fantasy running back period, per game, Fantasy points 731 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: per game, It's like him and Ladanian Tomlinson are number one. 732 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: I mean there, he is the best. And the Niners 733 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 3: played the easy schedule in the league. They got a 734 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: lot of receivers that are banged up. Him and Kittle, 735 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: We're going to get the ball a ton and if 736 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: you can live with man that level of risk that, hey, 737 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 3: I know he's missed a lot of time in the 738 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: last couple of years, he could. 739 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: Be the number one guy. He usually is. 740 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: He scores like every game. He's a Niner. And I 741 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 3: also think Gibbs is awesome. I just think he's just 742 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: phenomenal player. They both catch a ton of passes. When 743 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 3: we talk running backs later in the week, that's almost 744 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 3: like running or quarterback running that you better catch passes. 745 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 3: Like that's why Derek Henry is not in this conversation yet. 746 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 3: So those are the four names. I probably would go Gibbs, 747 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 3: but I can't fight you on any of the four. 748 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 3: Did you go any of the four? 749 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: I went Justin Jefferson. 750 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, that's super safe to me. 751 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: My logic behind it was and Gibbs. Funny enough, was 752 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: that it was between Gibbs and Justin Jefferson. I kind 753 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: of CD I thought, you know, for a brief second, 754 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: but my logic was Pickkets is going to get a 755 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 2: lot of targets and kind of comparing him to Justin Jefferson. 756 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: I know it's only three games, but I know Jefferson 757 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 2: is going to play three games without where he's going 758 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: to be the star of the show. And then Gibbs. 759 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: I had him on my fantasy team last year he 760 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: was dynamited. But my only thing was just a lot 761 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: of change to that offense, in that offensive line. Yeah, 762 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: and of course the David Montgomery factor as well too, 763 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: So I just that's what led me to take in 764 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson. 765 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 3: So a lot of the there's a lot of really 766 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 3: really good fantasy analysts out there, and I'll quote them 767 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 3: and I steal stats off them, and there's I mean, 768 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: the fantasy community really overlaps with NFL and Dale and 769 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 3: I talk about that all the time. Matt stats, a 770 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: lot of it comes from fantasy, ye know, right. 771 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: Because that numbers are what matter. 772 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: Usage and all that stuff. So there's kind of mixed 773 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 3: feelings on Gibbs. Some people think, well, the Lions aren't 774 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: going to be quite as good. They've had a lot 775 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 3: of changes. They're gonna have to rely on their better 776 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 3: back more as opposed to the closer. You know, Gibbs 777 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: might get more snaps than he has in the past 778 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: because they're not winning by ten late in the game 779 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 3: in Montgomery sealing the deal. Maybe they're actually losing once 780 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 3: in a while and they gotta throw and Gibbs is 781 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 3: out there fine. But there's also people who think well, 782 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 3: I loved his usage with the last coordinator. I just 783 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: don't know what the new coordinator's gonna say. You know, 784 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: he might be like, I mean, there's still the same 785 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 3: head coach. It's going to be a governor or regulator 786 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 3: on that. We're not gonna use them like he's Earl 787 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 3: Campbell obviously, but you just don't know. And the old 788 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 3: line's not as good and as the things you mentioned. 789 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: You know, as for Jefferson, he averages more receiving yards 790 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 3: per game than anyone in history. 791 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 2: It's insane. 792 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 3: And his quarterbacks haven't been awesome through his career either. 793 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 3: I have no reason to think he won't again or 794 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: won't compete for most yardage for sure. 795 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: Five years in the league, over a thousand yards every season. 796 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 3: I mean, that's safe as you could be with WI. 797 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: You're the fifth pick, fourth, fourth, okay, Like. 798 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: And that was kind of part of it for me too, 799 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: was like, you can't blow you the fourth overall pick, 800 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you got it. Like 801 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: Whereas I think there might be a little bit high 802 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 2: of a ceiling with Jamior Gibbs, maybe even a little 803 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: bit higher of a ceiling with Ceedee Lamb depending on 804 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 2: how much Dallas is gonna rock the ball around. But 805 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: I was like, I got to get somebody that I 806 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 2: know for sixteen seventeen games, is gonna give me something 807 00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 2: every week. 808 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: That's justin Dale and I talked about this a lot too, 809 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 3: like I'm very fine with a leadoff double in first round, 810 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 3: you know, like I don't. 811 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 2: Have, but I know I need a leadoff double. 812 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't need to swing for the fence 813 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 3: on McCaffrey and maybe strike out because I do believe 814 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 3: that maybe you can't. I don't know that you can 815 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: win your league with your first round pick because everyone's 816 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 3: going to get somebody good, but you could definitely lose it. 817 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 3: There's no doubt if you happen to take McCaffrey first 818 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 3: overall last year and then he never played anywhere in 819 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: your season. 820 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: Season, is you are such one foot in the grave already? 821 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm cool with playing safe in the early rounds, and. 822 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 2: It worked out well for me because I ended up 823 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: in the second and third rounds getting Bucky Irving and 824 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 2: Omari and Hampton. And feel pretty good about my running 825 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 2: backs as well too. 826 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 3: When we talked running backs, I'm pretty high on both. 827 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: Yep, and that's where that's where I was going with 828 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: that for you. But yeah, and so that was the 829 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 2: that was the mock scenario I had for you. That's yeah. Yeah, 830 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: I think I've told you this before, but I I 831 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 2: used to play in fifty different fantasy foot and dynasty 832 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: leagues and daily fantasy football, and I would do a 833 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 2: college football fantasy league with some of my buddies as 834 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: well too. I'm in two leagues now, that's it fantasy football. 835 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 2: They're both year to year ones with all my buddies 836 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 2: from high school. This was the twentieth year that we've 837 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 2: had this league. 838 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 3: I think ours was probably close to thirty and we 839 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 3: started like nineteen ninety. 840 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I started in two thousand and four, two thousand 841 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: and five, whatever. This is our twentieth anniversary. And then 842 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: I do one with my family as well too school 843 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 2: and that draft we have coming up Thursday night of 844 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 2: this week, so I'll be interested to do some mock 845 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: stuff with you on Wednesday and Thursday. 846 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 3: I'm in six dynasty leagues, but those are that all 847 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 3: the all the action happens in the offseason. I mean, 848 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 3: those are all rookie drafts. So all those everything's in 849 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 3: the book, and then I'll do two drafts this weekend 850 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 3: that are just redraft fun family type you know, like yeah, 851 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 3: with your buddies type leagues, and that's all I mean. 852 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm not in an insane amount. 853 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 2: I do do one with my buddies, do one with 854 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: my family. They both have decent buy ins, enough that 855 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: I have to actually care about it and really pays. 856 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 3: My problem is, like a couple of my podcasts, we've 857 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 3: done things like all right, we're going to have the 858 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: Peacock and Williamson League, and then by like week. 859 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: Three, I'm like, there's no money in all this money. 860 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 3: I've become a really bad owner. Don't do anything right. 861 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 2: If you don't have that care to dangle in front 862 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: of me. 863 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm just too busy. I can't just pick up side 864 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 3: fun things to do during the summer during the. 865 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 2: Season happens to be the busiest time of the year. 866 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, case, getting my lineup in. I'm not talking trades 867 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 3: with you, know, I just time. 868 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you. Good stuff tomorrow, plenty 869 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 2: of fifty three man and plenty more fantasy football conversation 870 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 2: as the week rolls along. Good stuff though, Today Matt 871 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and we'll do it again tomorrow. 872 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 3: Sounds like a plan. 873 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 2: As always, you know where to find us. I'm West 874 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: Shooler for Matt Williamson. Take care everybody, and we will 875 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow and your twenty four to seven 876 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 2: home of the Black and Gold. It's Steelers Nation Radio 877 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.