1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal is here, and Ken, we 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: love when news breaks right before the show starts instead 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: of Saturday night at midnight or right after the show. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: So your thoughts on Nolan Ironato moving over to the Diamondbacks. 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: When I look at it, I'm actually not that surprised, 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: simply because we know the Diamondbacks were interested in Alex Bregman. 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: We know they were looking for a right handed hitting 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: corner infielder, and Aronato from that perspective, makes a lot 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: of sense. So once Bregman went off the board, Arnado 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 2: to the Diamondbacks heated up, and that is how this 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: came to pass. The one interesting thing about this to 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: me is how much money the Cardinals are paying. It's 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: thirty one of the remaining forty two million. Now some 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: of that is deferred, So the less of a hit 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: to the Cardinals in that respect because they're going to 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: be paying that out and it's deferred money. But at 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: the same time, the Diamondbacks are essentially getting Nolan Arnatto 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: for five million one year, six million the next. In 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: this day and age, that's not very much at all. 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: And the pitcher they gave up was an eighth round 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: pick last year, Jack Martinez at Arizona State, and he 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: wasn't listed among the Diamondbacks' top thirty prospects. I imagine 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: hein Blue must have liked this kid out of the 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: draft for some reason. So from the Diamondbacks perspective, it 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: seems to be a win win and the Cardinals, as 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: you guys discussed in the previous segment, this is the 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: route that they're going right now. This is the direction 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: that they're in, rebuilding and trying to put together the 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: next great Cardinals team. It's going to be a few years. 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: But as we've discussed before, this was kind of overdue 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: for them. They kind of held on too long and 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: now it's going to be a crash and they understand that. 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: But at the same time, this is the way for 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: them in their minds to move forward. 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: Ken, what can the Diamondbacks fans expect from Aronado? Because 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: we talked about his numbers and how the people are 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: questioning whether he's slipped or not. And the other thing 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: I want to know is how did the Cardinals finally 39 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: get an Nolan Arnado to agree to a no trade, 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: to waive his no trade because he fought it like 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: hell last year, obviously declining it, and now this year 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: he accepted the trade to Arizona. 43 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: Well, he obviously wanted out to and he knew that. Listen, 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: at some point he was going to have to be 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: more flexible. And you guys mentioned Katie Who's tweet. She 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: basically said that Ronado was told by the Cardinals, if 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: you're more flexible, we can be more flexible with the money, 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: and let's make this happen. And that seems to be 49 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: the way this came about. And Arnado did not want 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: to go back to Saint Louis. It was a tough 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: place for him to hit. Now, how much better will 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: it be in Arizona, I don't know, because here's a 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: guy who has been in decline for a couple of 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: years now offensively, and can he get it back? I 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how much he's lost. So 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: it's going to be really interesting from that perspective to 57 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: see what noa on Arnado still has left. Defensively, he's 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: still really good, maybe not as elite as he once was, 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: But for me, this is a good move for the Diamondbacks. 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: It raises some questions about what's next with them, What 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: do they do with Jordan Lawler, What do they do 62 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: with Blaize ally Xander, because remember it could tell Marte 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: is still on the Arizona Diamondbacks. They now have Arnatto 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: a third, Perdomo is short Martey at second. They don't 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: really have much at first base. Peven Smith is a 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: guy who certainly can contribute there. Do they go out 67 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: and sign Paul Goldschmidt as well, because they've been looking 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: for a right handed hitting first base type. There are 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: a number of those guys still available, so that would 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: be quite interesting if we saw a Goldschmid Arnado reunion 71 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: in Arizona kind of along those lines. 72 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: You didn't quite hit it for me. What about that 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: money that they possibly could have spent on Bregman? Is 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: this a once off type of thing when we hear 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: that possibly they are in on Bregmant, Is there another 76 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: player on the market that if they were to make 77 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: some moves because they still want their young players to play. 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: Like you said, Lawler and Blaze Alexander had a quality 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: year last year. Is that money Do you think that 80 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: money's still out on the table for Kendrick the owner, 81 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: not for. 82 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: A player of Begman's caliber. They are going to do things, 83 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: and there's not much question about that. They want to 84 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: upgrade their bullpen. That is the area of focus right 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: now and it has to be because if you remember, 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: not only is Corbyn Burns recovering from Tommy John surgery, 87 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: but Justin Puck I'm sorry, Justin Martinez and aj Puck 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: are both covering from Tommy John as well, and they 89 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: need help in their bullpen before those guys come back. 90 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: And with Tommy John returnees, you never know exactly what 91 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: you're going to get, how long it's going to take 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: them to find their form again. So they're still looking. 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Are they going to spend the amount of money Eric 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: that they would have spent on Bregman No, But at 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: the same time, they are going to upgrade their roster. 96 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: They're pretty aggressive about it, as we've seen over the years, 97 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: and this Arenata move speaks to that. 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: Ken, you mentioned that they wanted a right handed hitting 99 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: and they're not sure what they're going to do at 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: first base. I'm going to ask this because we've had 101 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: some questions about Gaby Moreno as a catcher defensively, which 102 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: that was kind of his thing when he first came up, 103 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: but last year they ended up with mccannback there a 104 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: lot more. Would there be some thoughts from the Diamondbacks 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: to maybe move Moreno to a first base position and 106 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: let him learn there, much like what happened with Wilson Contraz. 107 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: I know, Moreno's much younger and it still has much 108 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: more upside, but especially defensively, but would that be possibly 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: a thought to help them out if they don't go 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: get somebody. 111 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: I have not heard that. AJ. I don't believe that 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: they're willing to give up on Gabrielle Moreno as a 113 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: catcher just yet, but I would imagine teams look at 114 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: all possibilities and while this might be what a five 115 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: to ten percent right now, maybe it's something in the future. 116 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: And if they did that, the problem becomes, you've got 117 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: to go get a catcher now. JT. Real Mutto is 118 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: still out there. I mean, we're just playing connect the 119 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: dots here. We're not talking about anything that we know 120 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: to be serious. But that would be one issue with 121 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 2: moving out from Moreno, especially when he was so highly 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: regarded defensively just a couple of years ago. I don't 123 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: know that he's lost it there, so I would expect 124 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: that that's not going to be the solution the way 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: it was described to me. This was before Arnado. 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Now it's time. 154 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: The Kyle Tucker market is active. And Will Salmon of 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: The Athletic reported on this just today and he said 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: that the Mets similar are in the range of three years, 157 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty to one hundred and forty million. 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: That is what sources have suggested to him. And if 159 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: that's the case, and if that is their range three 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: one twenty to one forty, then the question becomes, Okay, 161 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: will the Blue Jays go beyond that? Will the Dodgers 162 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: go beyond that? Well, the Mets need to raise their offer. 163 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: So this particular negotiation, the one involving Tucker, with all 164 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: of these clubs, seems to be coming to a head. 165 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if it was this week, 166 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: next week sometime soon. 167 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: That's it. Ken's here's my reaction to what you just said. 168 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: He was supposed to get four They were talking four 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: or five hundred million. Now we're talking three years, one twenty. 170 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: What happened? 171 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: What? That's what the Mets we're talking? I don't know, 172 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: I know, but Bucker is talking, and maybe the Blue 173 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Jays are Dodgers are willing to go longer. 174 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 6: But you raise a good point aj that the Mets 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 6: even being at that level, the level that sources have 176 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 6: suggested to Will Salmon, shows you that Tucker and the 177 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 6: demand for Tucker is not. 178 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: What we thought it would be going into last season. 179 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: He's coming off two injury marred years, not his best 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: years because he has had injuries, nothing chronic, nothing that 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: necessarily people need to worry about. But he's had some 182 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: things happen and he hasn't had maybe the production that 183 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: he had in Houston. So yeah, I don't know that 184 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: he's going to get four hundred. I don't know that 185 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: he was ever going to get four hundred. Could he 186 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: get three hundred from a team? Is some team willing 187 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: to step out longer? Of the three we've mentioned, I 188 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: don't know the answer. To that is yes. Now, the 189 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: Blue Jays would seem to me to be the most 190 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: logical one to go long because they've got Springer and 191 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: Dalton Varshow who are free agents after this season. They 192 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: are going to need to supplement their outfield in some fashion. 193 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: But at the same time, they've already signed Okamoto, They've 194 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: done a number of other things in free agency. They 195 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: seem to be in a mode right now where they 196 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: are spending and spending rather freely. But all teams have limits, 197 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: and is a longer term deal for Tucker where their 198 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: limit is? I don't know the answer to that. But 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Ajau raise a great point. Where is he going to 200 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: end up when the expectation was so much higher? Now, 201 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: one other thing, if he does sign one of those 202 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: shorter deals with opt outs, he can put together a 203 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: great year this year and then do what Bregman just 204 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: did and go out and to the market once again 205 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: when perhaps he would do better. 206 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: Does he need to do that? Is he a guy 207 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: that needs a prove it season? He's gonna turn twenty 208 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: nine here in a couple of days. Does he need 209 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: to prove it? Because we just talked about yesterday, teams 210 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: and agents alike. Look at the last three seasons he 211 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: had a OPS plus of one one seventy nine injury shortened, 212 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: I get it, and a one forty three. Because if 213 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 4: he gets this again, like Tucker, I mean, like like Bragman, 214 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 4: like all the guys, all the guys. Is this a 215 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: way that owners are really kind of manipulating one more 216 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: year of you not using your free agency because it's 217 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: all paid out for all those Boris guys, which you 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 4: wrote nice, very eloquently in your article. 219 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: It's a good question, and I don't know the answer 220 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: to that if it's a concerted strategy of clubs to 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: do this. Certainly with Juan Soto that wasn't a problem. 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: With William Donalas, it wasn't a problem. Those are the 223 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: two guys who have signed longer deals in the last 224 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: couple of years, along with on the pitching side to 225 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: Unca Smax Freed. But with Tucker, it seems and we 226 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: don't know the answer yet because we have not seen 227 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: the market play out to the fullest, but it seems 228 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: that the demand for him is not what we anticipated 229 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: it would be, and there are reasons for that. The 230 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: performance what happened in Chicago where he was kind of 231 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: playing hurt, but he missed some time and it just 232 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: wasn't great at the end. First half was amazing. So 233 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: it seems to me it's what the market for him 234 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: is possibly dictating right now. And I say possibly because 235 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: he may end up seven years, three hundred. I don't 236 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: know what the answer is, but Eric, if we see 237 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: a pattern like this development and it continues to develop 238 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: where teams are trying to squeeze players to go short, 239 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: and teams have been successful at this with several players 240 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: in the last couple of years in free agency, then 241 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: that question would be fair. But you still have longer 242 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: terms being given out just not to maybe all of 243 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: the players that would have received them in the past. 244 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 3: I mean, right, so far, the one Scott Boris has 245 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: signed of worked out Alonzo Snell, Chetan Montgomery, but he 246 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: got hurt also, so let's not forget. He also had 247 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: he also had the zipper put on his arm, so 248 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: he's the one guy. But most of them have worked 249 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: almost all of them for Boris have worked out. What 250 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: what about bo? Bo has been kind of queerly quiet 251 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: even after the Bragman thing. I know he had the 252 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: meeting with the Phillies, and he had and he's had 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: some talks. But where does Bo Boschett fit Because I 254 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: think if you start looking at teams now Diamondbackscott arn 255 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 3: Nott or to fill their infield hole, right, so you 256 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: start slowly losing teams for Bo Boschett, where does he 257 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: fit on a team? 258 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 6: Aja? 259 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: Once again, I encourage you to read The Athletic, and 260 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: I encourage you specifically today to read. 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: The story of Las Vegas Athletics. 262 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 5: No Athletics, that's. 263 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: The Athletics, that is the sports publication that I work for. 264 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: Matchil wrote today was just published this morning about this 265 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: situation with the Phillies and how they seem to have 266 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: momentum with Bouchett Bashett and they are a team that 267 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: is not afraid to go along with players. They're the 268 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: exception to what Eric was just talking about. They've got 269 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: a number of players under longer deals and it's a 270 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: separator for them, and it looks like it might be 271 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: a separator for them with Bashett as well. They'll be 272 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: willing to go seven years perhaps for a twenty eight 273 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: to twenty nine year old Bobaschett, where other teams might not. 274 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: Now will Boston react and respond to losing Bregman by 275 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: going long on Boba Schett as well. It's possible, but certainly, 276 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: what we've seen from the Red Sox over the last 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: several years is that they don't like these kinds of 278 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: deals and the only one they gave out Devers was 279 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: an overcompensation for losing and trading Mookie Betts. So I 280 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: don't see Boston necessarily doing it. It's possible. They certainly 281 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: have a need for that player. They had a need 282 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: for Alex Bregman. And then you ask about other teams. 283 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: Could the Dodgers jump in, could the Blue Jays get 284 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: back in? Maybe? But if the Phillies are the one 285 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: team want to p only a handful, if the only 286 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: one willing to go long, then I would expect that 287 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: they're the favorite froubers chat and they certainly seem to 288 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: be motivated to do this. They had the meeting yesterday, 289 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: but by all accounts. 290 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 5: That went well. 291 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: These meetings always go well, and it goes beyond that. 292 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: It goes to a team that wants a younger position 293 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: player star they've got some older ones still, and a 294 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: team that because they've been unable to sign J. T. 295 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: Wil Muto might be willing to reconfigure its roster in 296 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: different ways with Bishett as part of that. So if 297 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: they get him, they probably almost certainly trade Alec Bohm 298 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: and then we see where they go from there. 299 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: This is called inside scoop and you're the ultimate insider. 300 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: So can you confirm or deny my theory that this 301 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: was a meeting with the Phillies, that the genesis came 302 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: from Bobachett's camp because of the lack of interest, that 303 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: the Phillies were like, we're done, and Bobachett's camp call 304 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 4: and said we'd love to talk to you guys, and 305 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: they were like, all right, cool, anytime you get to 306 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: talk to an all star superstar. 307 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, Eric, and I will say this, that 308 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: would seem to suggest that theory that the interest was 309 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: more Bushette's than the Phillies, and that does not seem 310 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: to be the case. The interest here seems to be mutual. Now, 311 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: how it all got started, that I'm not sure of. 312 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: But as we've talked about, and as Matt has written 313 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: about in the Athletic, the genesis of this is the Phillies' 314 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: inability to get something done with j Tuumuto and a 315 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: desire that they kind of had anyway to do things 316 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: a little bit differently. Remember, they've had a great team 317 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: for a number of years now, but they haven't gotten 318 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: quite to where they want to go, and this last 319 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: elimination was particularly disappointing. And we've heard really for two 320 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: years now they'd like to shake it up, and this 321 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: is a good way to shake it up, right if 322 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: you bring in burshett and trade boem So to overstate 323 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: this coming from Burshette, I think would be a mistake. 324 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: It seems to me to be mutual. And you're right, 325 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: teams will always take meetings. I get that, but this 326 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: late in the offseason, why would either side want to 327 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: waste either side time? 328 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 5: True? True? 329 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: All right, Ken, there was a list we showed and 330 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: you mentioned him, JT. Real Muttu. Everyone, I'm assuming just 331 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: thinks he's gonna automatically go back to Philly, kind of 332 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: like what the Bragmant thoughts were before he signed with 333 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 3: the Cubs. We haven't heard much about him on his market. 334 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: What's his market like because he's been a great player 335 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: for the Phillies for a while now. 336 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: That's a great question. Aj and I'm not exactly sure 337 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: what his market is now. At one point early in 338 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: the off season, the Red Sox met with him, but 339 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't since that he is a focus of theirs 340 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: right now. I might be wrong about that, but I 341 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: don't get that sense. Then you had other teams that 342 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: perhaps they traded their catchers, maybe the Giants, if they 343 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: would trade Patrick Bailey, then they would be a spot 344 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 2: for jt. Real Muto, But I haven't seen any indication 345 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: of that happening either. So you wonder the question is, 346 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: if not the Phillies, then where And I've been asking 347 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: this question in my head for a while, so is 348 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: Matt or Phillies writer. So is other people, and none 349 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: of us have come up with a good answer. Not 350 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: to say that there isn't a market. There's always a 351 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: market for good players. There's someone who's interested, but maybe 352 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: not interested in the price jt ul Muto wants, because 353 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: if that was the case, he would have gone by now. 354 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: And if he's waiting for the Phillies to just finally 355 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: meet his price, I don't know if that's going to happen. 356 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: At this point. We're sitting here on January thirteenth and 357 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: they're talking to Boba Schett. 358 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: Last one, where do they pivot to if it not JT. 359 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 4: Because there's not anybody on the market that's JT's caliber. 360 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: Do they make a trade and is there significant interest 361 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 4: in other catchers where teams will be willing to get 362 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 4: rid of them. 363 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: That's another good question. And Eric Victor Kartini as a 364 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: free agent, is still out there, probably more of a 365 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: backup at this point in his career. They've got the 366 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: other catcher machine or not him, another catcher, the backup 367 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: that they have. His name is escaping me right now. 368 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: They trade for a guy like Ryan Jeffers, and there 369 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: are some catchers who will be available in Trey. I'm 370 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: sure they can do some things along those lines. But 371 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: to your point, and you guys know this as former catchers, 372 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: there is a lot of value to JT. Real Muto 373 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: with that staff. In particular, he's caught that staff. They're 374 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: accustomed to him. They like him because he is one 375 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: of the best catchers in the game. He thinks along 376 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: with him very well. There's a real connection between j. T. 377 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: Real Muto and a number of their pitchers. So if 378 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: they do not sign him, certainly there is a loss 379 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: there no matter who they bring in, but I'm quite 380 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: certain they would bring in someone else. 381 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 5: Ken good stuff. Appreciate it. A lot to go. I 382 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: think a lot more to go this week, so we'll 383 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 5: talk to you later this week. 384 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. 385 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 5: Where will bo go? 386 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: Nobody knows? 387 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 4: Apparently the song. 388 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: Continues, so John Hayman tweeted that the meeting went well. 389 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 5: When do they not? 390 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: Bashett admires first class organization other Plus's roster park maddingly 391 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: link spring proximity to home with the Phillies, need to 392 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: deal bowm do lesser catcher than J. T. Hayman, says, 393 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: other bow suitors, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers more. 394 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 5: What's gonna happen here? Nobody knows. Nobody knows. 395 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: Even Ken Rosenthaler inside Scooper doesn't know. 396 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 5: Of course, you know, I want to cue this clip 397 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 5: because my thing is. 398 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: Like, Okay, the Phillies they don't have an immediate fit, 399 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: so it kind of goes back to a cratz ass. 400 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: Ken is with Stott and Boem and Trey Turner and Bryce. Okay, 401 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: their infield is kind of set unless they make a 402 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: move of one of those guys, and then they would okay, 403 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: but then they okay. So let's say they do sign bow, 404 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: they move bom okay, then they BO plays third. I 405 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 3: guess mm hmm, okay, fine, but then you probably not 406 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: bringing back JT. So then you got to go get 407 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 3: a catcher. There's a lot of pieces of this. That's 408 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: why I asked the other day, where does he fit 409 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: on teams? When you start digging through teams without moves 410 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: having to be made, and there's there's that's where the 411 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: market is like, it's interesting, especially if he's not gonna 412 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 3: play short stop. Shortstop is a different animal, but if 413 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: he's playing second, it's a different market. 414 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 5: It is, but all of those teams make sense. They 415 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 5: just might have to do some maneuvering. 416 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: On the Phillies topic, the Phillies Show, part of the 417 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: Ft Network, discussed how this recruiting is being put together 418 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: by the Phillies organization and there are always players involved 419 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: for the superstars, but they might actually be pushing some 420 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: of their friends out. 421 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: I think it was. 422 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 4: Hayman reported that Phillies players have been texting Boba shit. 423 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: JT is one of the most beloved guys in that club. 424 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: Posse has everybody's back, I can't believe that sits well 425 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: with him hearing that. 426 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 7: No, I don't know if the players really understand that 427 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 7: it's an either or thing. 428 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 8: Necessarily. They don't care about that. They they think that 429 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 8: there's a good player out there to get they're trying 430 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 8: to go get it. I don't think that that's a 431 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 8: decision for them, and I don't think that they really 432 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 8: think about that. I know that is when I was 433 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 8: a GM I want to player, just wanted more players 434 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 8: to play with. 435 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 7: They have a better team, and I don't know that 436 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 7: they know who they know like all the ins and outs, 437 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 7: and it doesn't necessarily does it. 438 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 5: Preclude that's the real big question. 439 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 7: If they get something done with him, does it preclude 440 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 7: them signing JT. And that's like the bazillion dollar question 441 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 7: literally pun intended, because it's gonna blow a lot of 442 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 7: numbers out of the water for. 443 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: The Phillies as far as their payroll is concerned. 444 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: If they acquire Bobashett, if they sign him, they likely 445 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: trade Alec Bohm and there's a little bit of money 446 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: savings there. I'm actually still in the camp that money 447 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: does grow on trees. For Phillies owner John Middleton, and 448 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: that he would bring back JT. O real Muto and 449 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: sign Bobachett in the right circumstance. But for more, let's 450 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: go to our Pennsylvania reporter Eric Kratz to get his thoughts. Eric, 451 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: do you think there is any case where Bobaschett signs 452 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: with the Phillies and J. T. 453 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 5: Ro Muto also signs with the Phillies? Or is it 454 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 5: one or the other. 455 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: JT apparently does doesn't have the crazy market out there, 456 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: and he knows he's towards the later stages of his career. 457 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: He probably only wants to go to certain places. But 458 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: it's not like they're about to sign him to one 459 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. I don't even think he's getting fifty 460 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: million dollars. And again, I know this is massive money, 461 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: But for the Phillies, is it massive money. 462 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 4: When you start talking about that luxury tax threshold, you know, 463 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: putting them in the one hundred and ten percent threshold. 464 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 4: Boem will be a free agent after this year. I 465 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: think clearly, if something would happen with bo Bom being 466 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 4: gone and then you're locking down the left side of 467 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: your infield or even Statts, free agency isn't that far away. 468 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: In two years, you know, maybe bo could move to second, 469 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 4: Maybe Stott, who's been versatile, could move to third. I 470 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 4: don't know how that works in that sense. But last offseason, 471 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 4: all the trades about, all the talk about Alec Bohm 472 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 4: could be traded, could be traded. Teams are calling about him. 473 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 4: So I think they have a rolodex of teams that 474 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 4: called about Alec Bohm. 475 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 5: It wasn't the Phillies. 476 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 4: Actively shopping them. And to me, most likely situation, they 477 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 4: don't sign Bow, they signed JT back. Least likely they 478 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: signed bo and not JT. And so in the middle, 479 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 4: I would say second place, they signed JT for a 480 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: two year deal, probably somewhere in the thirty six range. 481 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: I think that's that's probably what you know. He'd probably 482 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: like three years forty seven ish. I think they don't 483 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 4: want to go that high. They don't want to stretch 484 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 4: it out too long. He is a catcher. But to me, 485 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: I think they need him back. Here's here's my theory. 486 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 4: Sign Bow, move Boem to first for one year. Harper 487 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 4: caught in high school. Have Harper catch for one year Boom. 488 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: You got your whole team. 489 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: Okay, now that we're playing fantasy Land. Now we're playing 490 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: dungeons and dragons stranger things. Here's why I think the 491 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: Phillies can sign both. What's happening at the end of 492 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: this year, CBA, what's more than likely going to happen. 493 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that, Are you gonna say, cap No, 494 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: I think I think the luxury tax will go up. 495 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think the number will go up. 496 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: And I bet you there will be a provision in there. 497 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: And I don't know this, but I'm thinking this is 498 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: me spitballing here. The Union will go to the owners 499 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: and say to new CBA, everyone gets auto reset for 500 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: the luxury tax because you know, if you go over 501 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 3: it keeps multiplying. 502 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 5: Right. 503 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: So if I'm the Phillies, I say, okay, we signed 504 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: bo we signed JT. We only have to eat it 505 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: for possibly one year CBA new one. It reloads the 506 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 3: luxury tax numbers and they're probably gonna go up. So 507 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: Boem's a free agent at the end of the year. Okay, 508 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: then they can make some other moves if they have to, 509 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 3: to try to clear some money up if they need to. 510 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: But for the next year or two years, they have 511 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: Harper schwar where they have basically the band back together 512 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: and you had boba shit. 513 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: I think the league's gonna try and have stricter penalties 514 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: on the soft salary cap that exists right now, and 515 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: so there is concerned from teams like the Phillies that 516 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe it turns into one hundred and fifty 517 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: tax on the dollar and it starts to get ridiculous. 518 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: Then you have almost a hard cab and the union's 519 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: not gonna want that. 520 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 5: I agree, but I mean just throwing it out there. 521 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 3: There's only certain teams that go there anyways. And then 522 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: the teams that do go there at times say oh 523 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: we got a reset, so they trade a bunch of 524 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: guys away, and then they rescind and then they go 525 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: for The Yankees tried it right, the Red Sox tried 526 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: it right. Some of these teams try. Now there's teams 527 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 3: like the Dodgers you just don't give a fuck. Yeah, 528 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 3: they're like, we make so much money, we don't care. 529 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 5: I like those teams, of course, but the Phillies are 530 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 5: close to them that they really go for it. And 531 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 5: that's why I don't think. 532 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: Dave Dombrowski has a history of and we kind of 533 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: talked about this on our production meeting. 534 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 5: Uh huh? 535 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: Is he goes long term to get these stars and 536 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: if he dials in on a star, he goes and 537 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: gets them. Trade Turner right star. But all these guys, 538 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: like if he believes in this guy's swerver, if he's 539 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: like this guy's a starring, can definitely help us get 540 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: to the World Series and have a chance. Here sht 541 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 3: us a miss. 542 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: He also likes to get things done, and this has 543 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: been frustrating because it's taking a while for them to 544 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: figure out the real Muto situation. 545 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 5: Hey, that's JT's right. He's in free agency. 546 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Maybe a team swoops in, But I do think they 547 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: want to start getting to move on finishing up the 548 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: pieces of their offseason. 549 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 5: I told you we'll be back. Bet. I'm jam futures 550 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 5: regular season win total Mariners. We're doing ninety point five 551 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 5: because that's the actual over under ninety and a half 552 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: for the Mariners. Are you going over or under this year? 553 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm going under. I'm going eighty eight. 554 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: Well, explain yourself. Why do you think that they will 555 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: slightly underachieve? 556 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: I don't think that the col will have as great 557 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: as a year sixty Homers is really hard to do again. 558 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 3: Their starting rotation started showing knicks last year, guys going 559 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: down in their offense. I know they brought back Naylor, 560 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: but they don't have Suarez there for n't less they 561 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: resign them. But I just I don't know. Eighty eight Houston, 562 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: I feel like might be a little bit better. Anaheim 563 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: should be a little bit better. Texas can't be as 564 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: bad as they were again. 565 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 5: Why, I just don't think they will be okay. 566 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: And so I think eighty eight is a good number. 567 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: Eighty eight probably might win that division. 568 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 5: That's true. Crat's where you're going. 569 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: I just don't think much is changed in this division. 570 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: I think the division is very similar. I think they 571 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 4: didn't get to ninety so I have last year, and 572 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: they're all because of the travel, I guess is the 573 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: reason they're gonna have swoons where they just just crater 574 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 4: like their East coast their East coast trip last year 575 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 4: when I think they came to Philly Atlanta played some 576 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 4: good teams, but they just lost every one of the 577 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 4: games and they look listless. So no, I'm gonna say 578 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: under and I think that I think I might actually 579 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 4: still pick them to win the division. I just don't 580 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: think the divisions changed that much. 581 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna say the Astros have added 582 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: some starting pitching depth, but they also are losing. 583 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 584 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, but they also brought into my Yeah, but I don't. 585 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: Think Christian Walker will be as bad as he was 586 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: last year. They have a four year with Korea. He 587 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: wasn't dead, he was, that's not Alvarez won't be out 588 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: all year. Hopefully that's a big one allegedly. So I 589 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: just think I don't know. I think there's some hater. 590 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: Hopefully he's back for the year. Bray you they make 591 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: some move. I just I don't I think eighty eight. 592 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 5: Is the number. Actually, this is the easiest way to 593 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 5: put it. 594 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: I know you're both probably not touching this one among 595 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: the many others that you really like or don't like, 596 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: because that's that's just too close. If you're if Crats 597 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: is in that range and you're feeling eighty eight, that 598 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: generally means look elsewhere. 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