1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: generation warfare on love A commentator, international social media sensation 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and former Navy intelligence veteran. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: This is Human Events with your host Jack Persoviet. 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Christ Is King. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: This remarks the seventy fifth anniversary of a modern Christian classic, 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 3: published in nineteen fifty. To this day, the novel is 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: beloved by young and old alike. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: From the beloved book to various stage adaptations to the 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 4: big screen, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: one of our culture's most well known stories. The classic 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 4: takes place in World War II England. Siblings Peter, Susan, Edmund, 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 4: and Lucy are sent from their home in London to 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: live with a family friend in the country. There, they 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 4: discover the wardrobe that transports them into the magical land 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: of Narnia. 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 5: Merry Christmas, sir, certainly is Lucy, since you have arrived, 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 5: Winter is almost over. 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Long live Aslan. 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: And Merry Christmas. 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 5: We should go. Susanna, once a keen looklean of Milinia. 23 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 5: Always queen loves. 24 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: All right, folks, it is Christmas time again. Ladies and gentlemen, 25 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events Daily. It's 26 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: December twenty five, and this year it's true, it's a 27 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: little different. We've lost so much. Charlie Kirk, my friend, 28 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: my brother in the fight, a warrior for truth, faith 29 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and America, was taken from us in September. It feels 30 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: like just a couple of weeks ago, and he was 31 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: struck down by evil out there on the front lines, 32 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: debating on college campuses, trying to wake up the next generation. 33 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Assassinated just like that. A husband, a father, Christian will 34 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: not be with his family this Christmas. We all feel it. 35 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: It's like a long, endless winter has settled over everything. 36 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: And that's why this Christmas I'm going back, and I 37 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: would invite you to join me, to go back to 38 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: a story that shaped me and perhaps you as well 39 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: as a kid, and one I think God put in 40 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: front of us right now for a reason. Is C. S. Lewis, 41 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Yes, the Narnia book. 42 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: This is not just a children's tale. It might even 43 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: be the perfect Christmas story for twenty twenty five, precisely 44 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: because it feels like we've been living in Narnia's darkest hour. 45 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: So think about it. In Narnia, the White Witch always 46 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: cursed the land. Remember, always winter, never Christmas. That's how 47 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty five is felt, hasn't it? 48 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: A frozen wasteland, cold division, endless attacks on truthtellers, political violence, 49 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: the loss of Charlie. And we lost Charlie the same 50 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: way that the Witch turned the heroes of Narnia to stone. 51 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: They freeze us in fear. They make us forget what 52 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: Christmas means breaking through the ice. And you remember what 53 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: happens in Narnia if you go back and watch the 54 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: movie Father Christmas. Yes, Santa Claus himself shows up and 55 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: hands the gifts out to the children. And what does 56 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: he say, Asland is on the move? The Great Lion 57 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: is coming. And when Asland roars back, that's when the 58 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: snow starts melting, the spring breaks through. The Witch's spell 59 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: begins to crack, because deeper magic is at work, the 60 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: magic from before the dawn of time. That's Christmas, isn't it. 61 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: That's the gospel that Lewis wove right into the heart 62 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: of the story. Asland, the christ figure lays down his 63 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: life on the stone table, willing to sacrifice himself for 64 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: traders like Edmund. And we're all like Edmund a little times, 65 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes the witch she thinks she's Wan, she 66 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: mocks him, she kills him. But death, its stealth works backwards, 67 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: Aslayin rises stronger than ever, shatters the table, defeats Evil 68 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: and restores Narnia. Charlie Kark in many ways lived that story. 69 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: He sacrificed every day for truth, for young people, for 70 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the gospel in the public square. And Evil thought that 71 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: it could end him on that campus in Utah. But no, 72 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: like Aslan, Charlie's voice echoes louder, you might even say, 73 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: it roars, and we're all stepping up. We have to 74 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: a million more Charlie's. As we said at his memorial, 75 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the movement is not frozen. It is falling because the 76 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: true lion, Jesus Christ, came to earth at Christmas, he 77 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: conquered death at Easter, and he is still on the 78 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: move today. So in twenty twenty five, amid the grief, 79 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: the rage, the uncertainty, read the story to your kids, 80 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: watch the movie. Remember Winter does not last forever. Evil's 81 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: power is temporary. Sacrifice leads to victory, and Christmas is 82 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: the announcement that the King has come and he's coming again. 83 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: Asland is on the move, America. Merry Christmas, the thaw 84 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: is coming. We'll be right back with Doctor Taylor Marshall. 85 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 5: Anything you'd like to eat, Tikish, delight. 86 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: Edmund Jack Pisbecker back live here. It is Ours Narnia 87 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: Special here on Human Events Daily, Narnia Christmas Special and 88 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: I want to bring in now Doctor Taylor Marshall hosts 89 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: to the Doctor Taylor Marshall Show. It's going on. 90 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: Taylor, Hey, Happy Advent and Merry Christmas. 91 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Happy Advent and Merry Christmas. Now we're talking about this film, 92 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and sort of C. S. 93 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: Lewis writ large in his body of work as a 94 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Christian apologist in the way that he wove the story 95 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: of the Gospel into, you know, into his series, but 96 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: specifically even Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. It's it's 97 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: as Land, the sacrifice, the Witch, the devil, the temptation 98 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: of the children. There's so much. It's such a rich story, 99 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: the forgiveness, the repentance, the remission of sin, the paying 100 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: of debts, which is a huge piece throughout all of this, 101 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: the series and throughout all of this, you know, the 102 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: first episode of it, and I of course stick to 103 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the original order of the Narnia books, not the updated 104 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: order where they try to put other things in there. 105 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, for the record, I just right 106 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: off the bat, you know, I'm completely against whatever Greta 107 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: Gerwig is gonna do and Netflix is going to do 108 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: with Narnia. Just just totally against it. It sounds absolutely 109 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: horrible female aslet just really really bad. But we're saying 110 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: this in the context of Charlie Kirk's death, and I 111 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: said this Christmas, it feels like we've been living through 112 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the Endless Winter, you know, since September when we lost 113 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: when he was murdered, taken from us, and I wanted 114 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: to get you on because I realized we haven't even 115 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: had you on since then. So I'm thinking it's like 116 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: we're in the endless Winter Christmas comes, or we're still 117 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: dealing with that. C. S. Lewis is there to talk 118 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: to us, Doctor Taylor Marshall help us make sense of 119 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: all of this. 120 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to be back. I think I was 121 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: on your show just a few days before we lost Charlie. 122 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: So it's been a little bit, you know, your comparison 123 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: to the Chronicles of Narnia with always winter, never Christmas, 124 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: that's how C. S. Lewis describes basically the state of 125 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: original sin or fallen Narnia. It's always winter, it's never Christmas. 126 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 2: And if you think about in our own lives, you know, 127 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, what gets us through winter? What 128 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: makes us excited about winter and it being cold and 129 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: the snow and the ice, what gets us excited is Christmas. 130 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: We look, it's the most wonderful time of the year. 131 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: We're looking forward to winter. Why because we want to 132 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: be cold and uncomfortable. Now we're looking forward to Christmas 133 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: because of Jesus Christ. And the Chronicles of Narnia by C. S. 134 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: Lewis depict this state that parallels our own lives, that 135 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: parallels our lives in all of human history from Adam 136 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: and Eve until our time, but also annually in this 137 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: cycle that we go through every year, and we see 138 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: that the coming of first Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, and 139 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 2: then Asland, who is the Jesus Christ figure that begins 140 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: to thaw the winter and the warmth of God's love 141 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: and his mercy begins to bring about life in the world. 142 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: And that's what's so beautiful about C. S. Lewis Is 143 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: Narnia series. But it's also beautiful about God's plan for 144 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: us in time that we live this throughout time and 145 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: then we live this annually through the liturgical calendar. 146 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: And doctor Marshall. This The piece of this that I 147 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: wanted to also bring up is that before Charlie died 148 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: that and before he was murdered, there was this story 149 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: and Megan Kelly's talked about this and how Erica was 150 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: very upset about it, about these witches who were casting curses. 151 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: We're trying to curse Charlie. And it strikes me that 152 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: the villain in C. S. Lewis's book, who sort of 153 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: becomes the villain throughout the series, is in fact a witch. 154 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, witches are always associated with androgyny, morphing 155 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: of you know, sexuality, male female female male. It's always 156 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: in the occult literature in every century, going back to 157 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: the Gnostics, even going back to the Old Testament and 158 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: the pagan fertility so called gods and goddesses, And yeah, 159 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: I think this was realed in a woman's magazine called Jezebel, 160 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: which of course is demonic in itself, just the name Jezebel, 161 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: that these witches were hired to cast these spells on Charlie, 162 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,599 Speaker 2: and Charlie and Erica found out about this. And I 163 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: don't know if I have all my facts straight, you 164 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: might need to fill in for me, Jack, But apparently 165 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: a Catholic priest came over that knew Erica and pray 166 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: deliverance prayers over Charlie. I believe it was the day 167 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: or within days before the assassination. And I think this 168 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: reveals to us that, you know, everyone's caught up in 169 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: the conspiracy or what really happened with Charlie Kirk. And 170 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: you know, as time goes on, hopefully we'll learn more 171 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: and as the trial begins. But what we need to realize, 172 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: and we see this in Narnia, is the connection between 173 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: evil is not always physical and tangible, and in a 174 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: series of events, the satanic, the occult, the preternatural, they 175 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: communicate through what we might call magical means or preternatural means, 176 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: and so witches, even in this life, can cast curses 177 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: and call on evil, which can animate and inspire other 178 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: evil people to come in and do ferocious evil deeds. 179 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: That's her reality. I mean, witches are never good and 180 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: the Old Testament. In the New Testament, witchcraft is always 181 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: a mortal sin. It's always evil because you are tapping 182 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: into this level of it is a form of reality. 183 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: It's an evil reality by which there's coordination in the 184 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: spiritual realm to work evil. So sometimes we think of 185 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: everything as just in the material realm. But you know, 186 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: Saint Paul says, ultimately, our enemies are not flesh and blood. 187 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: They are the enemies that are the spiritual darkness and 188 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: principalities and dominions. And so I think that was certainly 189 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: at play in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And we 190 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 2: definitely see this in The Lion, the Witch and the 191 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: Wardrobe because the witch she's trying to entrap the children 192 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: she has is the Turkish Delight. She has Tumness originally 193 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: as one of her agents, and she's using a spell 194 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: to keep winter upon the earth. And who's the only 195 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: one who can break the spells of the witch Aslam? 196 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: Who is Jesus Christ allegorically, So yeah, there's all these 197 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: parallels that are there, and I think, you know, giving 198 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: a reread or a new read to the Chronicles of Narnia, 199 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: this is a great moment to do that. 200 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: So the way you're explaining it, it almost sounds like 201 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: this that you know, there are conspiracies and that we 202 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: should look at, not to and obviously physical and corporeal 203 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: conspiracies of people and men, but also and men attempting 204 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: to become women and all those other stuff, homosexuals in 205 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: this case with Tyler Robinson, a man's twigs. But what 206 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about are also spiritual conspiracies. 207 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I mean, let's just pause for a 208 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: moment and say, if there are such thing as demons, 209 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: demons are falling a they once were good, They were 210 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: angels in heaven. We read in the twelfth chapter of 211 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: the Apocalypse and the New Testament that a third of 212 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: them fell with Lucifer. Lucifer becomes Satan. All those angels 213 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: that were once good, a third of them become demons. 214 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: They're real if you read the New Testament, they are 215 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: demons possessing people. There are jesus Is casting out demons. 216 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: Demons have a real influence on human life. All right, 217 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: So if you are a believer of the Bible and 218 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: the New Testament. You believe that there are demons around 219 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: us and there are angels around us, and this is 220 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: part of the spiritual warfare, right, This is why we 221 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: have prayers and devotion and go to church and fast 222 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: and all these things. So if that's the case, really, 223 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: when it comes to those who are evil in this world, right, 224 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: there's bad people who do sins, and then there are 225 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: evil people who are trying to corrupt other people and 226 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: corrupt the world and destroy lives. These truly evil people, 227 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: the masters of those it's are the demons. And this 228 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: is why Saint Paul says, ultimately we have to love 229 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: all our enemies. But ultimately our enemies are not flesh 230 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: and blood people. It's these personalities beyond the flesh and blood, 231 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: the demonic, that are able to coordinate attacks. We see 232 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: that in the Line and the Witch and the Wardrobe, 233 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: the Witch and all of her minions, and then in 234 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: our reality we have SATs and all of his minions 235 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: who are coordinating damnation, destruction, death in this world. The 236 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: only way to resist it is by the name of 237 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ and by being united with his angels. His saints, 238 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: his gospels. That's what breaks it, and that's why it's encouraging. 239 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: I think when the Kirks found out that there was 240 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: this demonic attack on them, they did seek, you know, 241 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: a spiritual remedy, which is what we. 242 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: All have to do. And that's so key to what C. S. 243 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Lewis was writing about. And you know, he's got other books, 244 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: so of course, you know, I love mere Christianity. I 245 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: think Screwtape Letters might be one of the greatest writings, 246 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, just entry level writings on hell and the 247 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: demonic and how to understand that, you know, the real 248 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: demons that are coming after you. They don't necessarily look 249 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: like demons. They don't. They don't have the you know, 250 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: the horns and the tale with a you know, the 251 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, heart on or whatever and hoops that they 252 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: might look like normal people. They might look friendly, but 253 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: they just whisper sweet lies into your ear and move 254 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: you along and move you away from Christ, separate you 255 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: from Christ. They say, hey, have some have some Turkish delights? 256 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Have you know, have this? Have that? And that's exactly 257 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: what the witch in the book and the film Wine 258 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: notation Wardrobe does, is she's offering Edmund dominion. She offers 259 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: him dominion over Narnia, dominion over his brother and sisters, 260 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: dominion over his family, offers him great power. And so 261 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: this and this of course lines up with the Satan's 262 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: temptation of Christ himself, where you know, join me and 263 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: I will give you dominion over this entire entire world. 264 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: I'll give you everything, I'll give you riches, and Christ 265 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: denies him. But it's it's not that you know, the 266 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: devil is going to come up and say, you know, 267 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: join me and be evil. I say no, No, you 268 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: are tempted with things that you want. And that's what 269 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: makes it so incredibly powerfully. Right back after this break, 270 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: jack Pacific, Doctor Taylor Marshall, hun invents Daily, the Narnia 271 00:18:38,320 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Christmas Special, The Great Life. All right, Jackie Sibeker back 272 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: live here on the Human Events Narnia Christmas Special. Wrong 273 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: with doctor Taylor Marshall and Doctor Taylor. I gotta tell 274 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: you the next part that I wanted to talk about 275 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: is the first sign that the kids receive in the book, 276 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: the film, the play for at Museum of the Bible 277 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: or watching him the play is absolutely phenomenal. Highly recommend 278 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: it's the arrival of Father Christmas, because this is what 279 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: they say throughout all the years prior to his arrival. 280 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: It's always winter, never Christmas, always winter, never Christmas. And 281 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: so Father Christmas himself, the Santa Claus, the og Saint Nick, 282 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: shows up and he provides gifts to the children, although 283 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: interestingly only three of the four children, only the good children, 284 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: the obedient children, not Edmund, because Edmund at this point 285 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: is still in a state of sin. He's not in 286 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: a state of grace the way that we are called 287 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: to received gifts from our Lord in his presence, if 288 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: you will so, And that's an interesting English hominem, their 289 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: presence and presents on Christmas. So Doctail Marshall, what does 290 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: what does this scene symbolize the connection between Santa Claus, 291 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: or as he's called in England, Father Christmas and the 292 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: giving of gifts of the children. And by the way, 293 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: these gifts are not you know, they're not toys. They 294 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: are weapons, they are potions of healing, a horn to 295 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: call for help. These are very serious gifts. 296 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, in order to understand the symbolism here, we have 297 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: to go back to the early Church, like the Catholic Church, 298 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: medieval C. S. Lewis was Anglican Church of England, so 299 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: he's tapped into this symbolism. Who was Saint Nicholas. So 300 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: Nicholas was a bishop, a pastor in the early three hundreds. 301 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: He was persecuted for his Christian faith under the Roman emperors, 302 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: and he's famous for a story that makes him the 303 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: patron saint of children. And I actually did a retelling 304 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: of this. If you like C. S. Lewis or you 305 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: like jar R. Tolkien, I wrote a book called Nicolaus, 306 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: and it's a fictional retelling of this story of Saint 307 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: Nicholas that made him famous. And the story goes like this, 308 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: there was a man who had lost his wife and 309 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: he had three daughters, and they were very poor. They 310 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: had lost everything. And in those days this might sound 311 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: pretty strange and radical, but you know, if you didn't 312 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: have money and you had three daughters and you had 313 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: no money for dowries or placing your daughters in society, 314 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: those daughters often fell into prostitution as the only way 315 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: to survive. And that's the setup for this story of 316 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas. So, Saint Nicholas, who is the Christian bishop, 317 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: the pastor he hears about this, he sneaks into the 318 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: house and he leaves gold money for one of the 319 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: sisters to be placed in a marriage. And then that 320 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: happens a couple of years later with the second sister. 321 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: And then the third year, the father catches Nicholas and 322 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: Christmas sneaking into the house bringing this gift so that 323 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 2: his daughters won't be forced into prostitution. And Nicholas asked him, 324 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, don't tell anyone. He's very humble. And so 325 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: from this I think it's a true story. It's well 326 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: attested in the early Church. From this story about the 327 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: bishop and pastor Nicholas, he becomes the patron of children. 328 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: He becomes a gift giver. He's sneaking into houses to 329 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: leave gifts, to be a benefactor. He wants to be anonymous. 330 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: It happens at night. So all of these I think 331 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: true traditions about Nicholas get warped into through the Middle 332 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: Times and in all the way to our time, into 333 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: Nicholas as the bringer of gifts. He sneaks into your 334 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: house at night. He's a patron of children. He loves children, 335 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: and he gives gifts to bless them. Now c s. 336 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: Lewis also takes another tradition, and that is the feast 337 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 2: day of Saint Nicholas in the Catholic Church and in 338 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: the Anglican Church which C. S. Lewis belonged to, is 339 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: always on December sixth, and Christmas is on December twenty fifth, 340 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: and this is another thing that associates Nicholas with Christmas. 341 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: And as you can see, December sixth is, you know, 342 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: about nineteen days before Christmas. So whenever Saint Nicholas Day 343 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: comes on December sixth, all the children, in fact, in 344 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: a lot of countries, gifts are given on December sixth. 345 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: They're placing their stockings or in their shoes, and all 346 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: the children know that when St. Nicholas Day comes on 347 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: December sixth, we're getting closer to December twenty fifth for Christmas. 348 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: And that's exactly why C. S. Lewis sets all this 349 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: up in the Chronicle of Narnia. If you're not familiar 350 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: with these traditions and these timings, it might seem kind 351 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: of arbitrary. But first you have Father Christmas, who is Nicolaus, 352 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas, and he is sort of the forerunner to 353 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: the appearance of Aslan who is Jesus Christ. So C. S. 354 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: Lewis is tapping into this early Church medieval chronology that 355 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas always appears shortly before the advent of Jesus Christ. 356 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? 357 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: It completely makes sense. A forerunner, if you will, in 358 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: similar way to how John the Baptist was a forerunner 359 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: to Christ in his teaching later on in life. He 360 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: begins his ministry several at least several years before Jesus 361 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: began his So you see these these comings and these callings. 362 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: It's it also kind of reminds me in a way 363 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: that an interesting way that Father Christmas appearance in the 364 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: book here in Saint Nicholas's appearance kind of kind of 365 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: reflects the way the position of the Three Wise Men, 366 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: the three Kings, the bearers of gifts, and how they 367 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: are separate from Christ and yet how they also acknowledge 368 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: Christ and you know, we're and tradition holds they were 369 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the was the kings of Saint Ethiopia, Arabia and Tarsus, 370 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: and that they were following the star that they come 371 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: and they've read, They've read the Auguries, they've read the astronomy, 372 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: they understand that you know, a great king is to 373 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: be born too, among which all will give him homage 374 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: and and so it's it's very interesting to me that 375 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: here we have again, you know, these great figures, and 376 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: this is something you see throughout the Bible, great figures 377 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: pointing to an even greater figure. Does that make sense? 378 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, And that's another kind of thing there. As 379 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: an Anglican or Catholic, Advent is the season of preparing 380 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: for the coming of Christ. So you know, a lot 381 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: of times nowadays it turns Thanksgiving and there's Christmas decorations, 382 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: and it's Christmas, Christmas, Christmas. But traditionally, you know, for 383 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: hundreds of years, it's been Advent, which is about four 384 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: weeks before Christmas, and that's that's a time of more 385 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: like preparation and penance and reflection. And then as you 386 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: get to Christmas Eve, you have Midnight Mass, and then 387 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: you have the twelve Days of Christmas, which are from 388 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 2: December twenty fifth until January fifth, which is twelve night 389 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: and then you have Epiphany with the Wise Men. 390 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: So there's this whole timing there and C. S. 391 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: Lewis and I think the original audience was more tapped 392 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: in to these chronologies and all this. So, yeah, like 393 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: when you talk about John the Baptist, that's a major 394 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: part of the readings. You know, if you're a Catholic, 395 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: if you go to Mass during Advent, the idea of 396 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: John the Baptist preparing the way for Christ. 397 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: Huge collision the reads. And that's why I'm thinking of it, 398 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Marshall. Right, back Human Events nor NEI a Christmas 399 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: special Susan all right, Jack Pacific, we are back Human 400 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: Events Daily, the Narnia Christmas Special. We're all at Doctor 401 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: Taylor Marshall. So we're talking about Narnia in the sense 402 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: of the fact that number one lining The Witch in 403 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: the Wardrobe being a fantastic Christmas movie as well as 404 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: a book, a story that you'd be able to share 405 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: with your children depending on the nature, and if you 406 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: have time read the book, you know, read the book 407 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: over Christmas break. It's not that long. It's like maybe 408 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: just over one hundred pages. It's really easy to read. 409 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: It's a fun story. You can do the voices with 410 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: the kids, that's what I love to do. But the 411 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: part of the story that I want to get into 412 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: and really dig in with doctor Marshall here is that 413 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: is Edmund, and the fact that Edmund not only is 414 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: he tempted by the witch, he succumbs to that temptation. 415 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: He takes the Turkish delights from her, and then he 416 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: begins to begins to provide her with information. He tells 417 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: her about his brother and sisters, and then he even 418 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: gives up their secret location as they're on the run 419 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: to the witch. He does betray them. And this is 420 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: why in the last segment we're talking about how Saint 421 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: Nick did not provide him with a present. So, Doctor Marshall, 422 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: what does it mean then, the story of Edmund, Edmund 423 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: the Fallen if you will, and we know that Aslan 424 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: later and then also Asland sacrificed for Edmund. How it 425 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: ties into Christ? How there is a sin? There is 426 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: a sin that Edmund as a child has to pay 427 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: a debt for, and yet it's Aslan who pays the debt. 428 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as you just said in the beginning there, 429 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: our greatest threat is not the boogeyman far away in 430 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: the forest. The greatest threat to us in our life 431 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: are those closest to us, our friends. And if you 432 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: think of the greatest story ever told, our Lord Jesus Christ, 433 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: he was betrayed by one of his twelve who had 434 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: spend every day with them for three years. They dine together, 435 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: they travel together, they worked miracles together. And it was 436 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: Judas the Scariot that betrayed him. And so and you 437 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: see this throughout the Old Testament, you see it throughout history, 438 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: see it in our own time. 439 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: And so C. S. 440 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: Lewis is tapping in to this reality that the greatest 441 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: threat against you is someone close to you, someone near, 442 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: someone that knows your heart, who knows who you are. 443 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: And in this case it's Edmund. And he betrays his 444 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: own flesh and blood, and he does this for power. 445 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: He does the as you said, he gets the Turkish delight, 446 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: and he even reveals the location of his own flesh 447 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: and blood in order to impress the witch. And he 448 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: thinks he's going to get power from this. Now, the 449 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: only way to be redeemed from this is through a sacrifice. 450 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: And Asland, who represents Jesus Christ, goes on the stone altar, 451 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: offers himself as propitiation for sin, and by offering himself 452 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: as an atonement for payment, he you know, liberates the world. 453 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: But he liberates Edmund he saves Edmund's soul. And so 454 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: you know, you may think of yourself, well, I'm not 455 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: a jewas is Scariot, I go to church. I love Jesus. 456 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: But every time you sin, every time you turn towards 457 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: the devil and away from God, you are betraying Jesus Christ. 458 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: And it's his cross, it's his atonement, his sacrifice on 459 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: the cross that redeems Us. And what's cool about the 460 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: Narniat story is it the story doesn't end there, just 461 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: like our story isn't in there. Asland rises from the dead, 462 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: he defeats death, Death cannot hold him. And this is 463 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: really not the end of the story. This is the 464 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: beginning of the story, because death has now been shown 465 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: to be weak. And you know, we were talking about 466 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk before. You know, Charlie expressed often his love 467 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: for Jesus Christ, and we saw, you know, just the 468 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: horrors over and over of his assassination on you know, 469 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: social media and television. And we're reminder that that's not 470 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: the end of the story. Christ also was humiliated and 471 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: died a public, shameful death, and by that he liberates 472 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: those who conform to him and faith and hope and love, 473 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: and so that's that's the message of Christmas. Yes, you know, 474 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: winter thaws and Father Christmas comes and as Land comes, 475 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: but ultimately we're moving towards Holy Week and Good Friday 476 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: and the Resurrection on Easter and then the sending of 477 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit and the Church. Like that's the full story. 478 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: And in a beautiful way. C. S. Lewis has created 479 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: this allegory that I think resonates in our souls. Why 480 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: because it resonates through time. It's the real story. It 481 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: is the real story. 482 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: And there's a reason that these themes of sacrifice and 483 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: repentance come up time and time again because this and 484 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: it strikes its something deep I think within all of us, 485 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's amazing because it's something that's 486 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: still celebrated to even this day, thousands of years later, 487 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: and we were and the public displays of this is 488 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: something there is a reason why. And people say like, oh, Jack, 489 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, but why don't you support Lord of the 490 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: Rings over over Narnia. Why are you always pushing Narnia, 491 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: et cetera. I said, because it's a direct display of Christianity, 492 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: and public displays of Christianity, public and public displays of Christ, 493 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: praising Christ should always be upheld wherever you find them 494 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: in the cultural space. And yes, I'm aware that No 495 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: only was Token a traditional Catholic and that you know, 496 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: certainly there is virtue in his stories, but they're not 497 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: they're not overtly Christian. There's nothing overtly Christian about those stories. 498 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: There's no Christ figure in, there's no God in Lord 499 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: of the Rings. What there is is you know, it's 500 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's high fantasy. It's a high fantasy story. 501 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a good story, but it's high 502 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: fantasy story. It's not a Christian story. 503 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: And Narnia is I would push back, I would say 504 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: it has it's a Christian I would say that, but 505 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: not they worised an artie story at all, you know, Honestly, like, 506 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: I don't understand why everyone's story. 507 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's aren't Christian elements, but there's 508 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: nothing in the story that's Christian like ald Gloric is 509 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: that's allegory, that's not the story itself. I'm talking to 510 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: the actual plot of the story. 511 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: But I don't understand why everybody wants to make like 512 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: Tolkien verse versus Lewis, you know, like they can both be. 513 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: Good well, and I mean, you know, and I'm not saying. 514 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying one's not good or the other's not good. 515 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is one is overtly, publicly, obviously taking 516 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: the Gospel and turning it into a story. The other 517 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: one is making a news story, making a high fantasy 518 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: story that has, you know, certainly elements of good versus 519 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: evil in the same way that Star Wars has good 520 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 1: versus evil. And you know, you might be able to find, 521 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, some connections, but they aren't quite as overt 522 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: overtly Christian as they are in Narnia. It's all I'm saying. 523 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: Correct agreed, and Fritly just started in their lifetime as well, 524 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: because they were friends that argued about Yeah, they were friends. 525 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: It's very well. And you know, Tulkki Tolkien did not 526 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: care for the Chronicle Naria. He thought it was too 527 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 2: on the nose. He thought it was it was two 528 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: one to one, and I think C. S. Lewis is 529 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: kind of hurt by that, you know. But what's so 530 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: interesting C. S. 531 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: Lewis that originally Tolkien didn't intend for his stories to 532 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: have this public, you know, this big public push, but 533 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: he would sort of work on them on his own 534 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: and it was sort of like a passion project. And 535 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: one of his one of the only people who ever 536 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: read his stories Hobbitt and The Lord of the Rings 537 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: before they were publicly released was his good friend C. S. Lewis, 538 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: And it was in fact C. S. Lewis who encouraged 539 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: him to continue to write his stories and to publish them. 540 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: So you know that, you know, it's it's it's sort 541 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: of a it's sort of one of those you know, 542 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: chicken in the egg kind of situations where it just 543 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: goes around and around. But but what I what I 544 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: mean to say, is what I was gonna say, is 545 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: this is that Tanya Tay and I this Christmas for 546 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: the very first time ever after the New York Republican 547 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: Gala where I was the speaker, I took her. She 548 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: really wanted to see this, She's just wanted to see it. 549 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: I never went went to the Roquettes, the old, good 550 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: old Roquettes Christmas special there in New York, and I 551 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: didn't realize this, and you know, just shows my like, look, 552 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm not like super into that kind of stuff. It's fine, 553 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: that's the're wrong with it. But I did not realize 554 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: and I will even say maya kulpa for not realizing this. 555 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: They have been doing a public Nativity scene, a living Nativity, 556 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: right in the middle of the Christmas spectacular at the 557 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: at Radio City Music Hall in the heart of New 558 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: York City for over ninety years. It was phenomenal. They 559 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: were living animals. There were real camels, They had the 560 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: wise men, and the then entire you know, the retainers 561 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: and the coterie that would travel with kings, you know, 562 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: crossing across the stage. And then the culmination is this 563 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: gigantic living Nativity scene with the Star of Bethlehem. They 564 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: have Joseph, they have Mary, they have the child swaddled 565 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: in a manger in front of thousands of people, right 566 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: there in the heart of Rockefeller Center. And I just 567 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: stood up and started clapping, and I said, and they've 568 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: never taken that out of the rock catch Show. That's 569 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: one of the only original there's a few pieces of it, 570 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: the toy Soldiers obviously, the kick line and the DVD 571 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: scene are some of the only pieces of the original 572 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties rock catch show that have never been taken 573 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: out of the performance, and I hope they never will 574 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: because we need to hold on to these public over 575 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: displays of Christianity. If we are ever going to win 576 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: the culture war. How do we fight the culture war 577 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: with Christian culture? It's just that simple, Jack Posovic, Doctor 578 00:37:39,880 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Marshall. Right, back to Narnia Christmas Special. All right, folks, 579 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: Jack Zoviec back live, final segment here of our Human 580 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: Events Narnia Christmas Special, talking of course about the Lion, 581 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: the Witch, and the Wardrobe. It's an incredible Christmas story. 582 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: Highly recommend for everyone out at home. Either watch the 583 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: movie or read the book if you have the time. 584 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: It's a great book. And we're all with doctor Taylor Marshall. 585 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: And the last piece, you know, we really have to 586 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: talk about in all of this is not how I'm 587 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: not just how amazing the the story is, but also 588 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: how Netflix is going to be trying to destroy Narnia 589 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: and woke Netflix, which I've certainly been waging a crusade 590 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: against all year after what they've done with Stranger Things, 591 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: adding the lgbtp Yes, that's right, I included the p 592 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: uh in Stranger Things and all the rest of it. 593 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: It's disgusting, and of course they are coming for Narnia now. 594 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: So Doc Tail Marshall, have you have you dug into 595 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: much about how Netflix is talking about, you know, quote 596 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: unquote updating and adapting Narnia. 597 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: Well, if I recalled, they've announced that Asland's going to 598 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: be a female. Do I have that right? 599 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: So it's it's sort of weird. They it's been like 600 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: leaked to the It's in all the trade papers like 601 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: Hollid Reporter and Deadline and stuff like that. Yet no 602 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: one's ever actually officially confirmed it, but it's heavily reported 603 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: that Aslan is going to be female. They're also updating 604 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: the timeframe, so it's no longer going to be a 605 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: World War two film. Now, keep in mind they're doing 606 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: Magician's Nephew first, so that that's the one that's coming 607 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: out now, and then presumably that Language and the Wardrobe 608 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 1: would be the second one they're doing. But the biggest, 609 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: I think the biggest red flag of all is that 610 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: they've got the hardcore, woke feminist director Greta Gorwig, who 611 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: did the Barbie Movie, which is just a full on 612 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: celebration of abortion. From scene one, it is an attack 613 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: on men. It is a gender war movie about how 614 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: women should and by the way, the culmination of the 615 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 1: Barbie movie for anyone who doesn't understand how this stuff works, 616 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: is that women should be in charge and that men 617 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: should subjugate themselves to women. Just on that point, Doctor 618 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: Tan Marshall, is that biblical? Is that what God calls us? 619 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: Is that God is that godly instituted marriage. I have 620 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: not seen the Barbie film for the record, but there 621 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: is an order to reality. We call God Father our father, 622 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: who are in heaven. We do not say our mother. 623 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ is the son of God. He's not the 624 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: daughter of God. Pastors and priests are male because they 625 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: are in persona Christy. They're in the person of Christ. 626 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: And the reason for this is that the Church, the 627 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: people of God in the Bible and the Old Testament 628 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: and the New Testament collectively as the Church, we are 629 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: the bride of Christ. There's a feminine receptive nature to 630 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: the Church because we're receiving the grace and salvation of God. 631 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: And so the transcendent is masculine and the recipient is feminine, 632 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: and there's a synergy there. There's a beauty there there's 633 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: a connection there. You see this in Lewis's writing, you 634 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: see this in Tolkien's writing. All the great authors and 635 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: poets and playwrights have been able to capture, you know, 636 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: in a literary way, in an allegorical way, this theme 637 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: that's throughout all of creation. Really only paganism and occultism 638 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: and magic that subverts that, so that you have priestesses, 639 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: you have got a mother goddess, et cetera. And really 640 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: modern feminism comes from that occult, magical, gnostic evil tradition. 641 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it, because it's perverting and 642 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: inverting nature, and this is why it's also usually in 643 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: support of abortion and contraception and inverting the roles of 644 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: masculine and feminine. And so what we really need in 645 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: this time is for you know, I loved what you 646 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: said on Megan Kelly. You know you said, you know 647 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: it's time. I think you said it's time for the 648 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: men to take care of things. Is that what you said, Jack, 649 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Yeah, yeahs who has said Megan, no offense, 650 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: but it's time for the men to handle things. 651 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 2: There we go, and a lot of people may feel 652 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 2: threatened by that. But when you when you're moving with 653 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 2: increasing speed towards chaos, death, low birth rates, the collapse 654 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 2: of civilization. You know, hard times create great men, and 655 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 2: we're shifting into that epic. And so what we need 656 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 2: to be teaching is is that, you know, I just 657 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 2: wrote this book, Christian Patriot. Why is it patriot? Patriot 658 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 2: is patriotism, It's love of the fatherland. Poter, God is father. 659 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 2: Our nation is the patriots the fatherland. And we are 660 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 2: called as men to be Father's benevolent, sacrificial fathers, just 661 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 2: like Saint Nicholas, just like our Lord Jesus Christ, all 662 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 2: the great saints. And yes women do that as well, 663 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 2: but when it comes to leading and headship and sacrifice, 664 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 2: men should lead the way. And so I'm really upset. 665 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: I mean, Netflix, the liberal culture is taking everything that 666 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: is good and holy. You know, they're doing this Jesus 667 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 2: Christ Superstar are and they have that woman who's in 668 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 2: Wicked playing Jesus Christ, that emaciated African American Domia. 669 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, never forgot about this. 670 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 2: Yes, she's playing Jesus Christ on stage as an African 671 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 2: American emaciated woman. So what they're doing is are taking 672 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 2: all of the Christian tradition that you know, even in 673 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 2: the last fifty years, so much of culture's lost. It's 674 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 2: Christian ethos, whatever's left. Chronicles of Narnia, you know, Jesus 675 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 2: Christ supertar, which is actually a blasphemous thing from the beginning. 676 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 2: They're taking it and they're just scrubbing it down and 677 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 2: they're reinterpreting it in a pagan evil manifestation. So I'm 678 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 2: one hundred percent against what don't I Our family has 679 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: not had Netflix for years. I think they're groomors. I 680 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 2: think they're infiltrators. I think they're bad. I think if 681 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 2: you're watching right now, you should just as soon as 682 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 2: you're done watching this, you just go on your Netflix 683 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 2: account and cancel it, because they are subverting the culture, 684 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 2: and they're undercutting the presence of Jesus Christ in our 685 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 2: midst and fathers, you need to rule your household. You 686 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 2: can't have sewage flowing into your living room through what's 687 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 2: called a television. It's time to stop the madness. Cut 688 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 2: that off. And hey, instead of watching Netflix, why don't 689 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 2: you sit down by the fireplace with the Chronicles of 690 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 2: Narnia and read them out loud to your children. They 691 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 2: will never forget it. It is magical. This is what 692 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 2: we need to do. Agreed, Jack. 693 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And I just finished reading them 694 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: all with my oldest son, and all seven books, did 695 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: the voices, and there are so many we'll have to do. 696 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: We'll have to do some other episodes. There's because there's 697 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: some really really deep Christian theology that's being imparted in there. 698 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: And yes, you get the Gospel story, the Gospel account 699 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: in a sense, you know, in this sense of the Lion, 700 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: the witch, and the wardrobe. But I've always thought, you know, 701 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: the Voyage of the dawn Treader, where the the one 702 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,919 Speaker 1: that it's their cousin Eustace, and he has to become 703 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: a dragon, but then because of his sinful nature, and 704 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,479 Speaker 1: then Ashland is the one who tears the dragon skin 705 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: off of him. I mean, just you know, because we 706 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: can't do it all by ourselves, that we have to 707 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,240 Speaker 1: accept Christ in order to remove our the last vestiges 708 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: of our sinful nature. And then even in all the 709 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 1: way up to the Last Battle, where a false God 710 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: is what many are Narnia are tricked into believing a 711 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: false Christ, a false aptly Christ, something that the anti 712 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: Christ shits. It's very clear itsr Rice now. You know, 713 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,760 Speaker 1: reading that as a kid, I always thought that tash 714 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: Land was was a really you know, really just you know, 715 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: really like a like a you know, a very strong 716 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: villain character. And then Tash of course was terrifying as 717 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: the actual devil, the Satan. And but then reading it 718 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: as an adult and realizing the references that C. S. 719 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: Lewis was making us thinking like Nancy, so this is based. Yeah, 720 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: he was some some really serious stuff that he's that 721 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,280 Speaker 1: he's introducing kids too, and to think me and maybe 722 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: I've always had that sense my whole life, because you know, 723 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: I read those books when I was a kid and 724 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,879 Speaker 1: my parents wrote them to me. Doctor Taylor Marshall, Where 725 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: can people go to follow your brother? 726 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 2: I can go to my website Taylor Marshall dot com 727 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 2: and also have my YouTube channel, Doctor Taylor Marshall Podcast, 728 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 2: and I'd love to see all over there. We talk 729 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 2: about these kind of things all the time. So great 730 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 2: to be with you, Jack and uh y'all have a 731 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 2: happy Advent of Merry Christmas. 732 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: Happy Advent, Merry Christmas to you, Doctor Taylor Marshall, Leaves 733 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: and Jillmas. Always you have my permission to lay sure