WEBVTT - 2026 Update: James

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hi, Hello, Hi, Back in the studio again, back

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<v Speaker 1>in the saddle. Today, we're gonna knock on the door

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<v Speaker 1>of an old friend of yours named James.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is a first season episode. Yeah, way back

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It's one of the funniest episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also one that I would come back to

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<v Speaker 1>when I was kind of missing my friends, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was missing both James and Howard, I would just put

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode and it felt like I could spend

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time with them. It is funny

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<v Speaker 1>that at the time, when we, you know, went off

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<v Speaker 1>on our mission for this episode full of hope and

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<v Speaker 1>Shenanigan's in our heart or whatever, we felt like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of over the hill. Well, you know, we felt like

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<v Speaker 1>this is like kid stuff. You know, we're like men

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<v Speaker 1>in our mid forties, you know, and what are we doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But now listening to it from the vantage point ten

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<v Speaker 1>years later, I feel like, Wow, were we ever so young?

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<v Speaker 1>Ten years? My goodness, Yeah, a lot transpires, it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out in the course of ten years. It certainly does. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And at the end of the episode, I uh check

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<v Speaker 1>back in with James to see what his life has

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<v Speaker 1>been all these years later. Well, enjoy, enjoy, indeed, please

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the volume is set at a temperate number. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but first, a word from our sponsors. Horrible timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Goldstein calling for doctor Jackie Cohen.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, wait, hello Jackie. Do you know what? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a doctor, right, hurry up. I'm starting to realize,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the past year, I'm hurry. I'm pretty convinced. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm losing hair.

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<v Speaker 5>You're bald, balding, bald.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a process, so bald. Now I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out if it's a symptom of something to go, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to go. The party starts in fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're having a party at your house. Why didn't you

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<v Speaker 1>invite me over?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to just do the show?

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<v Speaker 1>Or From Dimlet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Heavyweight Today's episode. James In When he was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>James loved taking long walks with his dad, Douglas. Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>was a film buff, and during these walks, he'd recount

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<v Speaker 1>the plot to every movie he'd ever seen Hitchcock Kubrick.

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<v Speaker 1>James loved it, and when he grew older and finally

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<v Speaker 1>got to see the actual movies. As good as they were,

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<v Speaker 1>they often paled beside the versions. His dad told something

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<v Speaker 1>of a dreamer and an eccentric. Douglas lived his life

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<v Speaker 1>as though he himself were a character in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He died that way too. On his deathbed, he issued

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<v Speaker 1>an unexpected final request.

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<v Speaker 3>The request was that we scatter his ashes on the

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<v Speaker 3>eighteenth hole of the golf course he loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Each of Douglas's kids was handed a different task regarding

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<v Speaker 1>the estate. James was put in charge of the ashes.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad was probably the most important person to me

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<v Speaker 3>outside obviously my wife and kids. When he died and

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<v Speaker 3>when the will was recorded, I wasn't there. You were

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<v Speaker 3>actually there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas was nearing the end and urgently needed to sign

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<v Speaker 1>his will, and James, who lived out of town, couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>make it in time, so he asked me and our

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<v Speaker 1>other good friend Howard, to go to his father's bedside

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<v Speaker 1>and bear legal witness to the signing of the will.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, James still carries around a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>regret about not being able to be there. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's unlikely, my memory of that day is of

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas wearing an ascot tucked into his hospital robe, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of whether he actually was. Douglas was the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>man who always gave the impression of wearing an ascot

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<v Speaker 1>as always he was gentlemanly and cordial, this in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that he would pass away within the

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<v Speaker 1>next forty eight hours. Douglas was born an illegitimate child

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<v Speaker 1>in a poor part of England and raised by a

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<v Speaker 1>single mom. As a young man, he felt judged and

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<v Speaker 1>carried with him the feeling of always having to prove himself,

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<v Speaker 1>even going so far as to affect a posh, upper

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<v Speaker 1>class accent. For Douglas, golf was the domain of the

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy and sophisticated, and having his ashes placed on the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth hole of his beloved golf course, an event that

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<v Speaker 1>James says he probably envisioned being accompanied by bagpipes and artillery,

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<v Speaker 1>would mean finally receiving his due. But James is yet

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<v Speaker 1>to honor his father's request. It's now been sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just procrastination?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I told myself. Yeah, I can vividly remember,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a day afterwards thinking, oh, yeah, the simplest thing.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, it seems so simple that we'll get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, sixteen years later, it's very complicated. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>to be honest with you, there's a part of me

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<v Speaker 3>that wants to hold on to them because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the urn moved from mantles to closets for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. It even knocked around in the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>of James's car. It now sits on a shelf in

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<v Speaker 1>his basement. Do you think it would be it Would

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<v Speaker 1>it be a load off your head if you were

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<v Speaker 1>able to spread the ashes.

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<v Speaker 3>The amount of times I cried, you know, going on

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<v Speaker 3>about how what a terrible son I was to not

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<v Speaker 3>honor his request, and the guilt I have about the

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<v Speaker 3>way he died, and you know I didn't deal with

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<v Speaker 3>it well, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all a piece.

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<v Speaker 3>He As he got sicker and sicker, he wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>go home desperately, and myself and my siblings decided he

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<v Speaker 3>could not go home because he was a hoarder.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it wasn't clear that he ever used them. Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>had an entire room filled solely with golf clubs. Having

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<v Speaker 1>lived through the war. He also saved empty TV dinner trays,

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<v Speaker 1>old microwaves, and broken radios that he'd find on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>We decided he could not go back there, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was so upset about that, and he went out just.

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<v Speaker 6>Really angry.

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<v Speaker 2>He just wanted to go home.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't fix the way he died, but this was

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<v Speaker 3>his one request and I haven't honored it. And not

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<v Speaker 3>only would I be putting to bed something that's been

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<v Speaker 3>dogging me for years, I think I'd also feel pretty

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<v Speaker 3>proud of myself that I'm the person I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To be, since the person I want to be is

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<v Speaker 1>the person who helps people be the people they want

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I asked James if he'd like me to

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<v Speaker 1>help him lay his father's ashes to rest, and James said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>would you want to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course I do.

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<v Speaker 1>The objective infiltrate Douglas's fancy old golf course and scatter

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<v Speaker 1>the ashes the obstacles except the genarian narcs with prying eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention the fact that scattering earthly remains is

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<v Speaker 1>against the law. For this to work, we need the

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<v Speaker 1>right team. James was the key man our entry point

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<v Speaker 1>into the operation and I was the bank bankrolling the

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<v Speaker 1>green for expenditures. All that was missing was a front man.

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<v Speaker 1>We needed a person of quick wit.

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<v Speaker 5>We have bat Cat, sat fat.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone cool under pressure. We needed that's I'm here Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was Howard our oldest friend, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>there with me the day the will was signed and

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<v Speaker 1>the directive was given. And to top it off, Howard

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<v Speaker 1>never met a grift, swindle or flim flam. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think was eggs and the coffee. Okay, fill your pockets

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<v Speaker 1>with extra after dinner mints at the local diner. Check

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<v Speaker 1>avail yourself. Avill gained coffee refills through a counterfeit Russian

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<v Speaker 1>Seniors card double check. Howard was always on the make

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<v Speaker 1>and up for anything. The date had been set Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>which also, as it happens, was Father's Day. The team

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<v Speaker 1>was in place. We just needed to sort out logistics.

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday eight forty eight pm. Howard, Hey, Hi, hi, Hi, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the phone with James.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to get us all together to strategize

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So, Howard, is there any wisdom or

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<v Speaker 1>experience that you could bring to bear from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>past things, that you've done like this.

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<v Speaker 4>From my previous heist experience. Yeah, well we shouldn't do

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<v Speaker 4>as we get too high. Yeah, that's in one. Some

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<v Speaker 4>booze maybe might help steal our nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you want to try to go there and

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<v Speaker 1>play golf?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I've never golfed.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know how to golf, so I've never golfed either.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's the eighteenth hole too, so I wish it

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<v Speaker 6>was the first hole because we could just go and

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<v Speaker 6>suck and then do our thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, specimically needs the eighteenth hole.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, eighteenth hole, it's a last hole.

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<v Speaker 4>But if there's someone there watching us, how we how

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<v Speaker 4>do we do it?

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<v Speaker 6>The clubhouse is near the eighteenth hole. It looks over

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<v Speaker 6>the eighteenth hole, so that's another challenge.

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<v Speaker 4>What the clubhouse?

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly there was a lot of work to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine two pm. A quick look at the golf course

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<v Speaker 1>website reveals a very specific dress code polo shirts, belts,

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<v Speaker 1>golf shoes, something called a tilly hat. If wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>polo shirt with some kind of bonnet wasn't embarrassing enough,

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<v Speaker 1>the rules explicitly stated that all shirts were to be

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<v Speaker 1>tucked in to your pants for this to work. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to honor the dress code to a t. In short,

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<v Speaker 1>we need the best disguises money could buy, and as

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<v Speaker 1>the bank, it was my job to secure the greenbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>After a brief parlay with Gimblet founder in CEO Alex Bloomberg,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told my budget is fifty dollars, to which I say,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've already promised the crew I take them shopping

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<v Speaker 1>at JC Penny and now I'll look like an idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>to which he says what crew, and I say never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex then tells me to take it up with Matt

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<v Speaker 1>because he's in the middle of a boardroom meeting. But

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<v Speaker 1>Matt scares me, so I just convert the green to

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian travelers checks, a safe, responsible move. So Alex, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening, you should at least cover the service fees.

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<v Speaker 1>Except you probably aren't listening because you're too busy with

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<v Speaker 1>your precious startup. So although it probably wasn't the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of establishment James's posh dad Douglas would approve of, we'd

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<v Speaker 1>need to hit the only place we could afford after you,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Friday twelve thirty six pm. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>the sports section of a Goodwill can be a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sad place, unstrung badminton rackets, water logged nerve footballs you

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<v Speaker 1>only hope are logged with water.

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<v Speaker 5>And one boxing glove.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the As an advanced student of the heist film

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<v Speaker 1>as genre, I know that when pulling off a big job,

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect outfit is crucial. Think Michael Kaine's lux white

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<v Speaker 1>turtleneck in The Italian Job or Elliott Gould's neckerchief in

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean's eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>They have some very nice slacks here, I will say,

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<v Speaker 3>and the prices are very affordable.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to try on the polo shirts, not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>Frankie munez is wrap around shades and agent Cody Banks,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll have to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at these two, Oh, it's like rayon.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is that the Goodwill has changing rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad news is that there's only one, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the size of a bus station toilet stall. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to come in with you, but since we are

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<v Speaker 1>a a team and be absolutely fearless together, we cram

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<v Speaker 1>in and like any team would strip completely naked. That

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<v Speaker 1>might be the uglies. It bears mentioning that the shirt

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<v Speaker 1>Howard is referring to is creamsicle orange and bears the

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<v Speaker 1>logo of a plumbing company, and luckiest of lucky days,

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<v Speaker 1>he's found the exact same shirts for me and James.

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<v Speaker 1>This way, he reasons, we can all match like a crew.

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<v Speaker 5>He looks good. It's supposed to look good. It's golfing.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>Howard, James and I have known each other since we're teenagers.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then we used to hang out like this all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, just doing goofy stuff. But we now live

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<v Speaker 1>in separate cities with wives, kids, jobs, and we never

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<v Speaker 1>get to do this kind of thing anymore. Standing around

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the afternoon, laughing in the buff

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<v Speaker 1>with old friends feels nice.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is good. We got We've got shirts, and

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<v Speaker 3>I got a belt.

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<v Speaker 1>As we exit into the parking lot, our plastic sacks

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<v Speaker 1>plump with glad rags, something straight up magical happens.

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<v Speaker 4>God.

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<v Speaker 1>Before getting too excited about what we think we might

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<v Speaker 1>be seeing, possibly, we wait confirmation from the man who

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<v Speaker 1>can spot a con a mile off a double rainbow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's legit a double rainbow. And even Howard's impressed mildly,

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<v Speaker 1>and so James and I give ourselves over fully overcome

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<v Speaker 1>by this fortuitous sign. The crew was moved to song.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was red and purple and crimson and green

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<v Speaker 5>apple and.

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<v Speaker 1>A rainbow was a good omen like James's dad, Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>was looking down on us and smiling a big multicolored

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<v Speaker 1>upside down smile.

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<v Speaker 2>And jen blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure we were dressed to the eighteens, but if we

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<v Speaker 1>each took forty five minutes to sink a ball from

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<v Speaker 1>two feet away, we might attract suspicion. We needed to

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<v Speaker 1>train hard. I'm talking rocky running through waist high Russian

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<v Speaker 1>snow hard, a montage of steel drum musicians learning to

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<v Speaker 1>play Chariots of Fire set to the tune of Ayah

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<v Speaker 1>the Tiger hard. I'm talking actually learning how to play golf.

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<v Speaker 1>We find a driving range in the fancier part of

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<v Speaker 1>town and book a golf pro by the name of Stephen. Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>one pm. Are you Stephen, Hey, Stephen, I'm Jonathan, This

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<v Speaker 1>is Howard, and this is James.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Stephen.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen a smile with more dimples than the golf balls.

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<v Speaker 1>He lovingly cradles a tall drink of sports aqua velva

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<v Speaker 1>ou de toilette. If ever, there was Stephen's been golfing

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<v Speaker 1>professionally for over twenty years, and couldn't be nicer or

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<v Speaker 1>better smelling and considering the frantic barrage of imbecilic questions,

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<v Speaker 1>we ask he also couldn't be more patient.

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<v Speaker 5>Those official golf shoes. Yeah, well I want good questions

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<v Speaker 5>and stupid what a golfer think about? Like happy Gilmore?

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<v Speaker 5>Can we like that they find that they find insulting?

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<v Speaker 1>After a brief lecture on the basic how tos hit

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<v Speaker 1>ball with stick, cold stick, with hands, get ball in hole,

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready. We insist James go first. After all, this

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<v Speaker 1>is his mission, every want of whose doings is finished

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<v Speaker 1>just like this. Yeah, we're going to get to the well.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen tenderly positions James hips and elbows. Howard grabs my

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<v Speaker 1>microphone and golf commentates.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say he looks really, really horrible. It's just ridiculous looking.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not encouraging.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow James manages to connect on his very first try.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone's saying very encouraging things. But it's really horrible. Is

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<v Speaker 5>the same. But he got it.

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<v Speaker 1>It went in the air and he hit it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like you say to a child. He's like, good

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<v Speaker 5>you hit it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen looks over at Howard, who now squats in the grass,

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<v Speaker 1>untying and retying his two left footed Goodwill issued golf shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he looks over at me, a grown man

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<v Speaker 1>in a two large tilly hat, strings cinched tight enough

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the chin to ensure the clenched, jawed vocal affect

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<v Speaker 1>of a young Atharine. Hepburn. He waives us to come hither,

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<v Speaker 1>offering up something in the way of inspiration.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna try to make it go from right to left.

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<v Speaker 2>It must feel really good when you get it up

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<v Speaker 2>in the air like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's great because that's the goal, right, is to

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<v Speaker 5>get it up.

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<v Speaker 1>The golf ball flies straight up into the air, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>as though eerily achieving human consciousness in mid flight, suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>takes a sharp left wa so cool. Howard, baptized in

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<v Speaker 1>the backsplash of Stephen's pheromones, is born again. He's seen

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<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle of male perfection, and James, it is not see.

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<v Speaker 4>James, that's what it looks like. That's when a man

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<v Speaker 4>hits a golf ball. A male of the species is

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<v Speaker 4>a golf ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up is Howard. He steps to the tee grips

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<v Speaker 1>the club, and just the way Stephen instructed, does this

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<v Speaker 1>adorable waddle back and forth to get his footing just so.

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<v Speaker 1>And then did you hear that? Let me play it

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<v Speaker 1>again thrice a swing and a miss, a swing and

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<v Speaker 1>a miss, a swing and a miss.

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<v Speaker 5>That's too much. Well, but if you're losing your balance

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<v Speaker 5>swings fast. The first twenty five years are tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Steven, all this and funny too. My attempts were

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<v Speaker 1>just as fruitless. As it turns out, golf is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>We wonder if Douglas knew just how difficult a mission

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<v Speaker 1>he'd sent us on.

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<v Speaker 3>How would we do without the golf pro standing there

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<v Speaker 3>helping us?

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<v Speaker 1>You know the difference between golf clubs, And.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a wet No, I don't, not really, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Lemedge driver, putter, one iron, two iron, three iron, putter, driver.

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<v Speaker 5>Pudder.

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<v Speaker 1>One am. It's the night before the job, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of our situation begins to set in. How can

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<v Speaker 1>any sting be stung when the would be stingers absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>stink at golf? Clearly this plan wasn't going to work,

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<v Speaker 1>and so at a quarter to two in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>panic set in.

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<v Speaker 4>It's impossible.

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<v Speaker 5>It's impossible for us to play golf.

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<v Speaker 4>We would suck so hard we would never make it

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<v Speaker 4>off the first fucking hole.

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<v Speaker 5>And if we knocked the balls anywhere.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm with you, it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>Only how to fucking juggle. It's like it's it's an

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<v Speaker 4>incredibly impossible thing to do. It's gonna be so obvious

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<v Speaker 4>that there's something's up because we've never fucking golfed.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's the issue. If we're doing any sort of subterfuge,

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<v Speaker 6>we're going to be the most obvious, conspicuous people in

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<v Speaker 6>the world, vicious. And then we'll have to get all

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<v Speaker 6>the way to the eighteenth holl That takes hours, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean literally hours, even if you're good, literally Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 6>then try to get the ashes out forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Two fifteen am. Do you guys know what? Stomp rockets

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<v Speaker 1>are growing desperate? We chuck the old plan and begin

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<v Speaker 1>to free associate new plans.

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<v Speaker 6>We need a T shirt cannon. Well you know actually

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<v Speaker 6>that that could work.

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<v Speaker 1>Three zho five am.

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<v Speaker 4>What if we dumped them into say, like a balloon

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<v Speaker 4>and then filled it with water and then whip them

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<v Speaker 4>so they'll explode all on the eighteenth Green and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>This was going nowhere. So I raised the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>our pulling off a night job for those of you

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<v Speaker 1>squares who need to be hept to it. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>job one performs at night.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they might have dogs.

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<v Speaker 6>What if they think we're like terrorists or something super

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<v Speaker 6>super posh exclusive club going late at night with someone's

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<v Speaker 6>human remains, which is fucking totally illegal. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 6>they must have some sort of security there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, hunch percent.

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<v Speaker 1>The sun was coming up soon, So I suggest that,

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<v Speaker 1>like in Dog Day Afternoon or Reservoir Dogs, or really

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<v Speaker 1>any other movies about dogs that I've also not seen

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<v Speaker 1>but can only assume have happy, heartwarming endings, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>just show up during the day and hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 6>This idea, Okay, that works for me, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Liked After the break the a team of golf sets

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<v Speaker 1>off on its mission.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be golf Lungren and you can be

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<v Speaker 5>mister t t o E.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>I want one of mine.

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<v Speaker 5>You just know it's wedge. Your Reginald Van cleef.

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<v Speaker 7>Yous want to drink Scotch yet?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe on ice? Sure? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday eight ten am father's day arrives, a beautiful one

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<v Speaker 1>in Montreal. James says, it's a lot like the day

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas died. We all rendezvous at the safe house, which

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<v Speaker 1>also happens to be Howard's wreck room. James has held

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<v Speaker 1>on to his dad's arn for sixteen years, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>always kept it in the velvet bag it came with,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's never actually handled it. Earlier in the day, though,

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<v Speaker 1>in anticipation of the job, he withdrew it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>there was any question about just how much Douglas loved golf,

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<v Speaker 1>it was immediately answered by what was revealed. Etched into

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the urn was a golfer in mid swing.

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<v Speaker 8>It hears to you, Dad, don't you some of Brucy's

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<v Speaker 8>poop bags that are actually unsentive, which is kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 8>We're gonna use these to transfer some of James's beloved's

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<v Speaker 8>father's ashes in't here.

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<v Speaker 1>Herod had the idea of using his pugs poop bags

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<v Speaker 1>to separate the ashes into portions for each of us.

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<v Speaker 1>His reasoning, should one of us get pinched by some

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<v Speaker 1>golf clubhouse Johnny Law, the two surviving members of the

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<v Speaker 1>crew could still carry out the job.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, this is so strange.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a business.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, what a business?

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<v Speaker 5>I death, what business.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm glad you, I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I've had a couple of drinks still getting off,

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<v Speaker 3>sent them out, But I'm really glad you guys are.

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<v Speaker 6>Doing this with me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're part of this thing. For sixteen years, was there

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<v Speaker 3>was this sort of fear that I wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 3>to handle dealing with.

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<v Speaker 2>It, the physicality of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But if there's something I'm now grateful for it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if there was some wisdom in it, is

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<v Speaker 3>that he has compelled me to deal with this. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never cursed him for it, but I've been angry. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never been angry, but I've been I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>the word is, sort of like fuck. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't just go without, you couldn't just die. You had

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<v Speaker 3>to make this somewhat absurd, ridiculous request that was impractical

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<v Speaker 3>and almost impossible to achieve. But I'm right saying right

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<v Speaker 3>now kind of almost grateful for it. So let's hope,

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<v Speaker 3>let's hope we're successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Today eight twenty five a m. As we set off

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<v Speaker 1>on the job, Howard show's doubts about his outfit.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked like a fat failure of a dentist. I

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<v Speaker 5>looked like I lost my practice because I put dentures

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<v Speaker 5>in a child's mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>As we near the golf course, James grows silent. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I have part in a space?

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<v Speaker 5>All right? Good show?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you feeling nervous? I'm going to park near here,

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<v Speaker 1>just for a quick getaway from the parking lot. We

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<v Speaker 1>wind our way towards the green. Maybe it's testament to

0:25:32.250 --> 0:25:34.649
<v Speaker 1>a tillie had cocked at just the right angle. But

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<v Speaker 1>nobody seems to be stopping us. We have infiltrated.

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<v Speaker 4>Like how manicured it is. It's like it's like it

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<v Speaker 4>looks like a pool table. Also, it was a pile

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<v Speaker 4>of ashes there in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>The golf course is what you'd expect, green grass as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the eye can see, trees, ponds. It's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and under normal circumstances, it'd make us feel peaceful like,

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<v Speaker 1>but just now it's making us feel out of place,

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<v Speaker 1>reminding us of who we are. Three frightened middle aged

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<v Speaker 1>man dressed in discarded plumbing company uniforms, struggling under the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of our bully knapsacks and a mission that just

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<v Speaker 1>now feels too big for us. I don't know, should

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<v Speaker 1>we just try to go to the eighteenth hole or

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<v Speaker 1>should we go in?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I believe that's it, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>As it turns out, the eighteenth hole is the hole

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<v Speaker 1>nearest the parking lot. That red flag right destination screen

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<v Speaker 1>of the eighteenth hole, and that is it.

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<v Speaker 5>It is the most conspicuous hole. So thanks a lot

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<v Speaker 5>that right now we can Right now we're gonna washing, even.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we decided to play it cool case the joint.

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<v Speaker 1>We make our way to the ninth hole, which is

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<v Speaker 1>out of view, and it's here that fear sets in,

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<v Speaker 1>and with it bargaining.

0:27:04.369 --> 0:27:06.730
<v Speaker 3>The ninth hole, Dad, right here be perfect. I could

0:27:06.770 --> 0:27:07.889
<v Speaker 3>go with the whole urned dump it.

0:27:07.970 --> 0:27:09.850
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he liked the screen, he likes, he liked the

0:27:09.850 --> 0:27:10.490
<v Speaker 2>whole golf course.

0:27:10.570 --> 0:27:11.090
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't his.

0:27:11.290 --> 0:27:12.450
<v Speaker 2>But I know this is the back nine.

0:27:12.449 --> 0:27:15.090
<v Speaker 1>I know he liked about next denial.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my question.

0:27:16.169 --> 0:27:18.410
<v Speaker 4>Why don't your dad, who is an avid golfer, who

0:27:18.449 --> 0:27:20.689
<v Speaker 4>is probably really really serious about these games, why would

0:27:20.689 --> 0:27:22.649
<v Speaker 4>he want to put his ashes on the green which

0:27:22.649 --> 0:27:24.810
<v Speaker 4>would interfere with another golfers.

0:27:27.570 --> 0:27:30.129
<v Speaker 1>I suggest we cool our heels in the clubhouse, and

0:27:30.169 --> 0:27:33.570
<v Speaker 1>the boys agree. It turns out that that evening is

0:27:33.570 --> 0:27:36.609
<v Speaker 1>a Father's Day banquet, so the staff is rushing to prepare,

0:27:37.010 --> 0:27:41.609
<v Speaker 1>which allows us to wander around relatively unnoticed. The club

0:27:41.649 --> 0:27:44.330
<v Speaker 1>goes back about one hundred years and on the walls

0:27:44.369 --> 0:27:47.810
<v Speaker 1>are hung old brown and white photos and plaques commemorating

0:27:47.810 --> 0:27:51.449
<v Speaker 1>the members who've died fighting in both World Wars. Since

0:27:51.490 --> 0:27:54.009
<v Speaker 1>almost the start of our mission, James had expressed a

0:27:54.050 --> 0:27:56.210
<v Speaker 1>fear that maybe no one at the club would even

0:27:56.330 --> 0:27:59.689
<v Speaker 1>remember his dad. Douglas was just such a loner that

0:27:59.770 --> 0:28:02.330
<v Speaker 1>over the years James had never met any of his friends.

0:28:02.970 --> 0:28:05.090
<v Speaker 1>As far as he knew, he didn't really have any.

0:28:05.810 --> 0:28:07.569
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot about his dad he didn't know,

0:28:08.090 --> 0:28:10.729
<v Speaker 1>like whether he was even an good at golf. So

0:28:10.770 --> 0:28:12.889
<v Speaker 1>we was hoping he might find some small trace of

0:28:12.970 --> 0:28:16.050
<v Speaker 1>him here, a photo, or even his name on a

0:28:16.090 --> 0:28:20.970
<v Speaker 1>list somewhere. Oh the registreet we find a large, old

0:28:20.970 --> 0:28:25.090
<v Speaker 1>looking book that lists every champion in the course's history. Wow,

0:28:25.129 --> 0:28:28.570
<v Speaker 1>it goes back to nineteen o three wounds up.

0:28:31.290 --> 0:28:33.929
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure he's probably documented in some books somewhere.

0:28:33.929 --> 0:28:36.170
<v Speaker 3>It's just, of course, I'll find it.

0:28:36.409 --> 0:28:39.170
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to check that book? Did you look

0:28:39.209 --> 0:28:39.450
<v Speaker 1>through will?

0:28:40.090 --> 0:28:40.290
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:28:40.290 --> 0:28:43.690
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see anything of her. Since the book won't talk,

0:28:43.970 --> 0:28:46.809
<v Speaker 1>we look for someone who will. We stop every staff

0:28:46.850 --> 0:28:49.289
<v Speaker 1>member and golfer who looks old enough and ask if

0:28:49.290 --> 0:28:50.410
<v Speaker 1>they remember Douglas.

0:28:50.490 --> 0:28:51.850
<v Speaker 7>I'm saying that Douglas Hurst.

0:28:51.690 --> 0:28:53.850
<v Speaker 1>The passed away in two thousand. We're hoping to find

0:28:53.850 --> 0:28:54.970
<v Speaker 1>some sort of side of him.

0:28:55.010 --> 0:28:56.410
<v Speaker 2>But yet I don't know.

0:28:56.530 --> 0:28:57.450
<v Speaker 1>The name doesn't ring a bell.

0:28:57.610 --> 0:28:58.930
<v Speaker 2>Douglas Hurst a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 6>People who remember him and I played six in the morning.

0:29:02.209 --> 0:29:03.730
<v Speaker 5>So the only guys I know are the grass.

0:29:06.410 --> 0:29:09.610
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know him, No, Dice and Hill.

0:29:09.810 --> 0:29:11.570
<v Speaker 5>Dug Hurst, you guys knew him?

0:29:11.570 --> 0:29:12.130
<v Speaker 4>Sure that.

0:29:15.370 --> 0:29:18.850
<v Speaker 1>In a basement room, squeezed into an armchair watching golf

0:29:18.890 --> 0:29:29.209
<v Speaker 1>on TV, is Serge Sarge, a French Canadian bulldog of

0:29:29.250 --> 0:29:32.290
<v Speaker 1>a man. He pours fistfuls of mixed nuts into his mouth,

0:29:32.570 --> 0:29:35.530
<v Speaker 1>which he washes down with generous slugs from his beer.

0:29:36.490 --> 0:29:37.250
<v Speaker 1>Craizy dog.

0:29:37.290 --> 0:29:37.570
<v Speaker 5>That's you.

0:29:39.530 --> 0:29:42.490
<v Speaker 1>Through the half jar of fancy cocktail nuts crammed into

0:29:42.490 --> 0:29:45.370
<v Speaker 1>his grizzled ma. You might not be able to understand

0:29:45.410 --> 0:29:49.090
<v Speaker 1>the words. Sarge is desperately trying to choke out. He's

0:29:49.130 --> 0:29:56.130
<v Speaker 1>saying crazy Doug. Crazy Doug is his nickname for James's dad.

0:29:56.570 --> 0:29:58.249
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm so glad I found someone who remembered him.

0:29:58.250 --> 0:29:59.690
<v Speaker 1>We asked a few people and not too many of

0:29:59.770 --> 0:29:59.930
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:30:00.090 --> 0:30:02.289
<v Speaker 4>Bambernham helped me find in maybe a staff member who

0:30:02.330 --> 0:30:03.690
<v Speaker 4>had been here a while and no one knew a

0:30:03.690 --> 0:30:04.249
<v Speaker 4>lot of you.

0:30:05.130 --> 0:30:06.490
<v Speaker 7>I'm very well.

0:30:06.890 --> 0:30:08.249
<v Speaker 4>So is he a good golf player?

0:30:08.450 --> 0:30:08.850
<v Speaker 5>Was he good?

0:30:09.090 --> 0:30:13.170
<v Speaker 7>It was a good golfer? Using Yeah, it was like

0:30:14.330 --> 0:30:18.130
<v Speaker 7>I was it eight or nine handicap? Okay, Oh, that's

0:30:18.250 --> 0:30:23.330
<v Speaker 7>very good. He is like the top five percent of

0:30:23.410 --> 0:30:25.370
<v Speaker 7>all the golfers in the world.

0:30:25.930 --> 0:30:28.890
<v Speaker 1>So he was very good. He was very good, and

0:30:28.970 --> 0:30:31.729
<v Speaker 1>he was dedicated. The room full of golf clubs that

0:30:31.810 --> 0:30:35.130
<v Speaker 1>James had thought was garbage, Sarah spoke of it with respect.

0:30:35.730 --> 0:30:38.810
<v Speaker 1>He called it the largest most complete collection of golf

0:30:38.850 --> 0:30:42.330
<v Speaker 1>clubs in all of Canada. You never want to hear

0:30:42.410 --> 0:30:44.850
<v Speaker 1>someone refer to a person you love by a pet

0:30:44.930 --> 0:30:48.410
<v Speaker 1>name prefixed by the word crazy. But the benefit is

0:30:48.450 --> 0:30:50.729
<v Speaker 1>that when they tell you stuff about your dad, you

0:30:50.770 --> 0:30:53.690
<v Speaker 1>know they're being honest. So when Sarah says what he

0:30:53.690 --> 0:30:56.650
<v Speaker 1>says next, James knows he can believe him.

0:30:57.330 --> 0:31:02.330
<v Speaker 7>I don't think I have ever met somebody as brilliant

0:31:02.450 --> 0:31:08.290
<v Speaker 7>as your death, the level depth of knowledge about everything.

0:31:09.250 --> 0:31:12.770
<v Speaker 7>But on the other side, he was also very I

0:31:12.930 --> 0:31:13.290
<v Speaker 7>wasn't not.

0:31:13.250 --> 0:31:16.130
<v Speaker 1>Too shy, isolated like executive.

0:31:16.170 --> 0:31:20.249
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he quickly alone. We saw him very rarely on

0:31:20.650 --> 0:31:21.290
<v Speaker 7>the clubhouse.

0:31:21.490 --> 0:31:23.690
<v Speaker 3>I think it was because he was a bit of

0:31:23.690 --> 0:31:24.090
<v Speaker 3>a loner.

0:31:24.770 --> 0:31:25.570
<v Speaker 1>But he did love for.

0:31:25.490 --> 0:31:26.970
<v Speaker 3>People, and he loved the people here, and he did

0:31:27.010 --> 0:31:29.569
<v Speaker 3>love all his friends here. But he really loved to

0:31:29.570 --> 0:31:31.209
<v Speaker 3>come at six in the morning when he could just

0:31:31.250 --> 0:31:31.730
<v Speaker 3>do his thing.

0:31:32.170 --> 0:31:33.809
<v Speaker 2>That was very my father. That's what I really used

0:31:33.810 --> 0:31:35.330
<v Speaker 2>to say, dude, it's very my father.

0:31:35.410 --> 0:31:37.249
<v Speaker 3>And it's not that he didn't like people. He just

0:31:37.450 --> 0:31:40.650
<v Speaker 3>liked to do things at his speed, his way, and

0:31:40.730 --> 0:31:42.850
<v Speaker 3>be done because he was sort of a loner.

0:31:42.850 --> 0:31:43.450
<v Speaker 2>He was a loner.

0:31:43.890 --> 0:31:44.450
<v Speaker 1>He's my father.

0:31:44.890 --> 0:31:46.050
<v Speaker 7>You're the son of your father.

0:31:51.570 --> 0:31:54.330
<v Speaker 1>And with that, it's time for James to become the

0:31:54.410 --> 0:31:57.049
<v Speaker 1>son his father had asked him to be and do

0:31:57.130 --> 0:31:58.090
<v Speaker 1>the job we came for.

0:32:00.450 --> 0:32:01.729
<v Speaker 4>And I think it's a great a way that we

0:32:01.850 --> 0:32:04.570
<v Speaker 4>just we're just walking around, we're members, members, sons.

0:32:04.810 --> 0:32:07.450
<v Speaker 1>We head back outside and walk with purpose to the

0:32:07.490 --> 0:32:11.410
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth hole. Fate would have it. The coast is clear.

0:32:11.690 --> 0:32:16.329
<v Speaker 4>Actually, James, your hand right now here just just kind

0:32:16.370 --> 0:32:17.330
<v Speaker 4>of just just kind of cool.

0:32:18.450 --> 0:32:21.490
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, tire shoe, tire shoe, this opportunity right now. Let's

0:32:21.530 --> 0:32:21.890
<v Speaker 5>walk with.

0:32:21.930 --> 0:32:24.970
<v Speaker 1>Him, with Howard on his left and me on his right.

0:32:25.290 --> 0:32:27.930
<v Speaker 1>We walked James out to the green, doing our best

0:32:27.970 --> 0:32:29.010
<v Speaker 1>to protect him from view.

0:32:29.290 --> 0:32:32.090
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but we're walking with you. Say something.

0:32:32.090 --> 0:32:37.130
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I will say something in my head.

0:32:38.250 --> 0:32:39.450
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to say something in your head?

0:32:39.530 --> 0:32:40.650
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm just saying something in my head.

0:32:40.690 --> 0:32:48.610
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, we're actually doing this.

0:32:48.610 --> 0:32:50.249
<v Speaker 5>This is incredible because you're actually doing it right now.

0:32:50.290 --> 0:32:51.170
<v Speaker 5>This is actually happening.

0:32:51.530 --> 0:32:54.610
<v Speaker 4>He's actually putting his dad's ashes right on the eighteenth hole,

0:32:54.690 --> 0:32:55.250
<v Speaker 4>just like he wanted.

0:32:55.250 --> 0:32:56.370
<v Speaker 5>We didn't think this would be possible.

0:32:56.370 --> 0:32:58.650
<v Speaker 4>Actually, James just tip this hat he put he just

0:32:58.690 --> 0:33:00.210
<v Speaker 4>dumped it right into the eighteenth hole.

0:33:00.330 --> 0:33:06.249
<v Speaker 5>Pre discreet. I got it right in the hole. That

0:33:06.330 --> 0:33:07.210
<v Speaker 5>felt really good.

0:33:07.530 --> 0:33:08.530
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad.

0:33:08.370 --> 0:33:08.930
<v Speaker 5>Right in the hole.

0:33:10.570 --> 0:33:11.250
<v Speaker 1>I feel great.

0:33:11.930 --> 0:33:12.650
<v Speaker 5>I feel awesome.

0:33:18.290 --> 0:33:21.330
<v Speaker 1>Howard and I are feeling pretty good too. This is

0:33:21.370 --> 0:33:23.810
<v Speaker 1>the last time James would ever get to do something

0:33:23.890 --> 0:33:26.450
<v Speaker 1>his dad had asked him to do, and we're proud

0:33:26.490 --> 0:33:28.450
<v Speaker 1>to be a small part of it. We put our

0:33:28.570 --> 0:33:31.130
<v Speaker 1>arms around our friend's neck and pat his back.

0:33:33.530 --> 0:33:34.970
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you got back home.

0:33:37.170 --> 0:33:37.850
<v Speaker 5>That's incredible.

0:33:39.810 --> 0:33:41.890
<v Speaker 1>Happy father's Day. Happy father's Day.

0:33:42.090 --> 0:33:45.610
<v Speaker 5>Happy father's Day. Worked up perfectly.

0:33:46.810 --> 0:33:51.050
<v Speaker 1>And James is right, it has kind of worked out perfectly. Sure,

0:33:51.250 --> 0:33:54.290
<v Speaker 1>unlike the end of heist films like Reservoir Dogs, we

0:33:54.290 --> 0:33:57.170
<v Speaker 1>weren't sipping drinks from a coconut on a beautiful beach.

0:33:57.690 --> 0:33:59.769
<v Speaker 1>But James had become the person he wanted to be,

0:34:00.209 --> 0:34:02.170
<v Speaker 1>and I had become the person who helped him become

0:34:02.209 --> 0:34:06.250
<v Speaker 1>the person he wanted to be. And Howard, well, he'd

0:34:06.290 --> 0:34:08.489
<v Speaker 1>become the person who fills up a dog poop bag

0:34:08.530 --> 0:34:11.730
<v Speaker 1>with free golf clubhouse dinner mint. So all in all,

0:34:12.370 --> 0:34:13.770
<v Speaker 1>it was a happy ending.

0:34:14.330 --> 0:34:15.450
<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys for doing this.

0:34:16.490 --> 0:34:19.250
<v Speaker 4>James had a fistful of his father's ashes in his hand,

0:34:19.530 --> 0:34:22.650
<v Speaker 4>and he walked onto that green like a dawn bend

0:34:22.690 --> 0:34:24.570
<v Speaker 4>onto one. He tipped his hat and just dumped it

0:34:24.650 --> 0:34:26.730
<v Speaker 4>right into the hole and clean right in the hole.

0:34:27.170 --> 0:34:28.009
<v Speaker 4>That was a hole in one.

0:34:28.090 --> 0:34:28.850
<v Speaker 5>That's what I would say.

0:34:53.370 --> 0:35:02.850
<v Speaker 3>Now that the Fernitures returned to its goodwill home, now

0:35:02.930 --> 0:35:07.090
<v Speaker 3>that the last month's rent is skiming with the.

0:35:07.210 --> 0:35:14.850
<v Speaker 1>Damage the plaz this moment to do so if we

0:35:14.570 --> 0:35:15.250
<v Speaker 1>if we.

0:35:18.090 --> 0:35:25.290
<v Speaker 5>Felt around for from things that accidentally.

0:35:26.010 --> 0:35:28.650
<v Speaker 2>Hello, my friend, how are you? Very nice to see you?

0:35:29.130 --> 0:35:33.650
<v Speaker 3>And uh, yeah, I was just listening to the episode

0:35:33.650 --> 0:35:38.530
<v Speaker 3>this morning, so oh hold on, hold on okay.

0:35:37.970 --> 0:35:40.210
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not giving one sec. I'm not hearing anything.

0:35:40.250 --> 0:35:42.970
<v Speaker 2>Give me one sec. Okay, I see what's happening here.

0:35:43.330 --> 0:35:47.730
<v Speaker 1>Hey, so sorry about that. So sorry, that's okay. I

0:35:47.770 --> 0:35:49.730
<v Speaker 1>mean we're going to a lot of trouble for the sound,

0:35:49.730 --> 0:35:50.770
<v Speaker 1>which I really appreciate.

0:35:50.970 --> 0:35:51.770
<v Speaker 2>Does it sound good though?

0:35:51.810 --> 0:35:52.610
<v Speaker 3>Does it sound okay?

0:35:53.010 --> 0:35:55.050
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds good. I mean it might not match

0:35:55.130 --> 0:35:57.210
<v Speaker 1>when we initially got on, so let's just back up.

0:35:57.330 --> 0:36:01.890
<v Speaker 1>I will say hello, hello Jonathan, how are you? I'm good?

0:36:01.930 --> 0:36:02.370
<v Speaker 5>How are you?

0:36:03.170 --> 0:36:03.969
<v Speaker 2>I'm very good.

0:36:04.010 --> 0:36:05.890
<v Speaker 1>We're such a couple of show biz phonies.

0:36:06.570 --> 0:36:08.170
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yes, yes we are.

0:36:09.810 --> 0:36:12.770
<v Speaker 1>So you were saying that you were you were just

0:36:12.810 --> 0:36:14.650
<v Speaker 1>listening to the episode this morning.

0:36:15.010 --> 0:36:18.530
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I hadn't listened to it, probably since it came out,

0:36:19.210 --> 0:36:22.610
<v Speaker 3>and as it happened, I was driving my son to school,

0:36:22.650 --> 0:36:24.730
<v Speaker 3>as I do, and I drive him to school because

0:36:25.490 --> 0:36:27.690
<v Speaker 3>he won't make it if I don't and also it

0:36:27.770 --> 0:36:29.970
<v Speaker 3>is a nice little father and son time. It's usually

0:36:29.970 --> 0:36:33.529
<v Speaker 3>passed in silence, but I said, hey, today, we've got

0:36:33.570 --> 0:36:35.730
<v Speaker 3>to we got to listen to this podcast.

0:36:36.130 --> 0:36:38.250
<v Speaker 1>Has he has he ever listened to the episode before?

0:36:38.570 --> 0:36:38.770
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:36:39.010 --> 0:36:39.890
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what did he say?

0:36:40.050 --> 0:36:43.250
<v Speaker 3>He was impressed in that? Okay, well those are not

0:36:43.330 --> 0:36:47.090
<v Speaker 3>the words he used, but I could My gaba meter

0:36:47.170 --> 0:36:50.530
<v Speaker 3>is pretty good, my gabe dar is pretty good. And

0:36:50.610 --> 0:36:55.210
<v Speaker 3>I did see that he was impressed. I guess for me,

0:36:56.210 --> 0:36:58.330
<v Speaker 3>it was really great to listen to the podcast again

0:36:58.690 --> 0:37:03.370
<v Speaker 3>because what I got out of it. What was interesting

0:37:03.490 --> 0:37:07.810
<v Speaker 3>for me, One is that just being with you and Howard,

0:37:07.810 --> 0:37:10.970
<v Speaker 3>my two best friends. That was the big thing was

0:37:10.970 --> 0:37:13.210
<v Speaker 3>was Wow, I just love these guys. So that's the

0:37:13.250 --> 0:37:17.090
<v Speaker 3>main thing I took away from it. The other thing

0:37:17.490 --> 0:37:20.810
<v Speaker 3>is that hearing it again ten years later with my son,

0:37:21.570 --> 0:37:22.930
<v Speaker 3>I'm such a different person.

0:37:23.010 --> 0:37:24.730
<v Speaker 1>Then, How do you mean?

0:37:25.410 --> 0:37:27.610
<v Speaker 3>Because I, you know, my parents have been both been

0:37:27.650 --> 0:37:30.130
<v Speaker 3>dead for for a very long time now. My mother

0:37:30.290 --> 0:37:32.570
<v Speaker 3>died I think within about a year of that recording,

0:37:32.690 --> 0:37:34.490
<v Speaker 3>and that was ten years ago. So I'm not a

0:37:34.530 --> 0:37:35.330
<v Speaker 3>son anymore.

0:37:35.530 --> 0:37:37.730
<v Speaker 2>I'm a father. That's who I am.

0:37:38.010 --> 0:37:40.850
<v Speaker 3>So to listen to it with my son, it was

0:37:40.930 --> 0:37:44.330
<v Speaker 3>completely different, just a completely different experience. I think when

0:37:44.370 --> 0:37:47.050
<v Speaker 3>we were recording that it was still very much my father's son.

0:37:47.930 --> 0:37:51.810
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You you've not been back to the golf course

0:37:51.850 --> 0:37:53.610
<v Speaker 1>to visit, have you?

0:37:53.650 --> 0:37:54.290
<v Speaker 5>No? I have not.

0:37:54.650 --> 0:37:55.970
<v Speaker 1>Have you kept in touch with Stairs?

0:37:56.290 --> 0:37:57.090
<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

0:38:02.930 --> 0:38:06.090
<v Speaker 1>That would be uh, that would be an interesting.

0:38:05.890 --> 0:38:07.690
<v Speaker 2>That would be an interesting conversation. I mean, it was

0:38:07.690 --> 0:38:08.690
<v Speaker 2>a a friend to have.

0:38:09.090 --> 0:38:11.210
<v Speaker 3>He's a bold guy, right, because he's a you know,

0:38:11.330 --> 0:38:14.330
<v Speaker 3>here I am saying, oh, you know, we're doing this

0:38:14.370 --> 0:38:18.370
<v Speaker 3>podcast about my dad, and you know how much I

0:38:19.010 --> 0:38:21.569
<v Speaker 3>feel so much regret that I wasn't able to really

0:38:21.610 --> 0:38:22.770
<v Speaker 3>be there for him when he was dead.

0:38:22.770 --> 0:38:24.330
<v Speaker 2>And I just loved my dad, and he's.

0:38:24.170 --> 0:38:32.890
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, crazy, Doug. Right, it was so bold that

0:38:32.970 --> 0:38:35.330
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Wow, good for you, Sarah.

0:38:35.330 --> 0:38:38.450
<v Speaker 1>Old is a nice word for it. Yeah right, Well

0:38:39.410 --> 0:38:41.210
<v Speaker 1>this was nice. James, Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>It was great to speak to you again, and it

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<v Speaker 3>really did help me get closure. My dad used to

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<v Speaker 3>always say no bullshit. You know, he'd say no bullshit,

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<v Speaker 3>as my dad would say no bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>It really was very meaningful because I don't have that regret.

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<v Speaker 3>I have other regrets, but that that one was put

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<v Speaker 3>to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to everyone who helped put this episode together. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you want a little more James in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>and who wouldn't, why not check out his YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 1>Screenwright with James a Hurst that spelled hu rst. James

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<v Speaker 1>breaks down movies and teaches you how to write screenplays

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<v Speaker 1>of your own just as he does. He's a successful

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<v Speaker 1>screenwriter and you can help you become one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our last update episode of the summer. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be back with a brand new season of Heavyweight

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<v Speaker 1>God Willing this fall, and in the meantime, as always,

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<v Speaker 1>check out our free newsletter Khalila. What do you have

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<v Speaker 1>in the newsletter? This week we've.

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<v Speaker 3>Been including photos of our subjects, and this week we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have some photos of Jonathan and James together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you know, while I am an audio purist, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, my mantra is sort of keep your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes closed in life, don't let's not get into the visuals.

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<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate a good photograph now and again, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And you can find this newsletter of which

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<v Speaker 1>we speak at patreon dot com slash Heavyweight see this

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