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Speaker 2: In the minds of many rock fans, Duff McKagan will

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Speaker 2: forever be known first and foremost as the basist of

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Speaker 2: Guns n' Roses. The band's white hot reign in the

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Speaker 2: late eighties through the early nineties is the stuff of

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Speaker 2: hedonistic hard rock legend, and for anyone interested in reading

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Speaker 2: a detailed account of that wild ride maybe the last

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Speaker 2: in all of rock, check out Duff's memoir It's So

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Speaker 2: Easy and Other Lies. After turning thirty, Duff got sober,

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Speaker 2: eventually left GNR, and then went on to play stints

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Speaker 2: in Alison Chains and Jane's Addiction and helped form the

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Speaker 2: supergroup Velvet Revolver. Duff also enrolled in college while writing

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Speaker 2: columns for the Seattle Weekly, Playboy and ESPN on everything

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Speaker 2: from personal finance to sports. In twenty sixteen, he rejoined

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Speaker 2: rock bands and personal finance columns, Duff has also been

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Speaker 2: releasing solo materials since the early nineties. His latest album, Lighthouse,

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Speaker 2: today's episode, Lea Rose talks to Duff mccagan about his

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Speaker 2: decision to leave the heroin infested punk rock scene in

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Speaker 2: stories about Axel Rose and Slash while recording Appetite for Destruction,

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Speaker 2: and he reminisces about the time his musical idol Prince

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Speaker 2: why Guns n' Roses broke up. This is broken record

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Speaker 1: I'm justin Ritchman.

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Speaker 2: Here's Lea Rose's conversation with Duff mccagan.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about your latest album, Lighthouse,

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Speaker 3: And since it's been out for a little while now

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Speaker 3: living in the world. What has the reception been, you know.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not touring it yet and the record came out,

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Speaker 1: But we extended our tour. So I was in Boise,

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Speaker 1: it's out, what's hey? You know, record reviews already come out,

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Speaker 1: It's I have a story why that is?

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Speaker 3: But you know, is it because they don't feel constructive,

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Speaker 3: And then is Guns N' Roses going back out on tour.

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Speaker 1: This year's well, we are taking this year off. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: How do you prepare for those three and a half

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, lemon water, coffee, lemon water again, banana. Then

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Speaker 3: I watched your documentary It's So Easy and Other Lies

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Speaker 1: before the plane even took up, it had these this

430
00:24:06,316 --> 00:24:08,596
Speaker 1: plane it was a big regular plane, but in the

431
00:24:08,636 --> 00:24:12,556
Speaker 1: back of had like these four kind of like sweets

432
00:24:13,076 --> 00:24:16,956
Speaker 1: the couches and a curtain, you know, and we went,

433
00:24:17,396 --> 00:24:19,436
Speaker 1: maybe it would get on the plane. We got our shit.

434
00:24:19,796 --> 00:24:21,596
Speaker 1: You got to get rid of it before you land

435
00:24:21,636 --> 00:24:24,276
Speaker 1: wherever we were going to, So you gotta smoke it.

436
00:24:24,956 --> 00:24:26,636
Speaker 1: You just started ride away and like this is the

437
00:24:26,716 --> 00:24:30,036
Speaker 1: most ridiculous thing. We're smoking crack and playing before it

438
00:24:30,076 --> 00:24:31,756
Speaker 1: by sitting at Alix.

439
00:24:32,356 --> 00:24:35,476
Speaker 3: So you thought it was ridiculous at the time, pretty much.

440
00:24:36,236 --> 00:24:39,836
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew this was ridiculous, but let's go on ahead,

441
00:24:39,836 --> 00:24:41,676
Speaker 1: because we do a lot of ridiculous stuff.

442
00:24:41,756 --> 00:24:44,836
Speaker 3: So yeah, do you have to like clear that with

443
00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:47,236
Speaker 3: slash or it's just whatever at this.

444
00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:51,316
Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, yeah, I talked to people, you know, and

445
00:24:51,356 --> 00:24:53,796
Speaker 1: I really didn't want to write a tell all in

446
00:24:53,836 --> 00:24:57,196
Speaker 1: any way. You know, there's plenty of tea, and I

447
00:24:57,316 --> 00:24:59,716
Speaker 1: just thought myself as a you know, I was a

448
00:24:59,796 --> 00:25:02,636
Speaker 1: writer at that point, and I wanted to really explore,

449
00:25:04,076 --> 00:25:06,316
Speaker 1: try to you know, I was reading Cormack McCarthy the

450
00:25:06,356 --> 00:25:09,796
Speaker 1: whole time I was writing interesting, which is a high

451
00:25:09,836 --> 00:25:13,956
Speaker 1: benchmark of how I like to read. And I really

452
00:25:14,036 --> 00:25:19,636
Speaker 1: love that hard like chopping Cadence. He's got and you know,

453
00:25:20,076 --> 00:25:26,076
Speaker 1: economy and and I'll never be him ever. But to read,

454
00:25:26,596 --> 00:25:28,916
Speaker 1: it's like listen to good music while you're writing. You know,

455
00:25:29,276 --> 00:25:31,516
Speaker 1: you're not going to copy it, but you're surrounded by

456
00:25:31,596 --> 00:25:32,756
Speaker 1: good you know.

457
00:25:33,156 --> 00:25:34,596
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're it's in the ether.

458
00:25:35,076 --> 00:25:37,516
Speaker 1: It's in the ether. And I and I, you know,

459
00:25:38,436 --> 00:25:42,156
Speaker 1: I tried to do my best I could at writing

460
00:25:42,196 --> 00:25:46,916
Speaker 1: an interesting book. Without spilling tea. You know, that's kind

461
00:25:46,916 --> 00:25:49,596
Speaker 1: of I felt that was a little below what. You know,

462
00:25:49,636 --> 00:25:52,036
Speaker 1: I'm a dad. You know they're going to read it

463
00:25:52,036 --> 00:25:54,436
Speaker 1: one day. I'm going to tell them about my drug

464
00:25:54,516 --> 00:25:58,756
Speaker 1: use when they turned fifteen anyhow, because you got hacked

465
00:25:58,756 --> 00:26:03,436
Speaker 1: my DNA. Sorry, but we're going to talk about it. Yeah,

466
00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:08,556
Speaker 1: which we did, so the you know, they saw stuff

467
00:26:08,596 --> 00:26:11,276
Speaker 1: on YouTube. You know, it's like you can't hide that

468
00:26:11,996 --> 00:26:15,716
Speaker 1: dad was a you know, heavy user of stuff.

469
00:26:15,956 --> 00:26:19,196
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I imagine when you're getting ready to

470
00:26:19,196 --> 00:26:21,396
Speaker 3: write the book and you're thinking about how, you know,

471
00:26:21,476 --> 00:26:24,196
Speaker 3: putting the puzzle together, when you're working with your editor,

472
00:26:24,876 --> 00:26:28,956
Speaker 3: how salacious do you go? You know, there's probably a

473
00:26:28,996 --> 00:26:31,836
Speaker 3: certain side of you that knows some people want just

474
00:26:31,916 --> 00:26:35,196
Speaker 3: like the sex, drugs, and rock and roll story, but

475
00:26:35,756 --> 00:26:38,156
Speaker 3: the story with guns is just so much deeper than that.

476
00:26:38,796 --> 00:26:41,556
Speaker 1: It's so much deeper than Yeah, I didn't you know

477
00:26:41,676 --> 00:26:43,796
Speaker 1: in the book, I didn't talk about sex at all.

478
00:26:44,996 --> 00:26:50,196
Speaker 1: You know, you hear stories of I think it's more

479
00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:52,956
Speaker 1: like business guys in Wall Street, guys who are all

480
00:26:52,956 --> 00:26:56,396
Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, that wasn't a thing. Especially you

481
00:26:56,396 --> 00:26:59,676
Speaker 1: wouldn't write about it, like, come on, right, So but

482
00:26:59,956 --> 00:27:02,876
Speaker 1: Guns was a lot deeper than that, and it was

483
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:08,756
Speaker 1: really a story five guys who found each other like, oh,

484
00:27:08,876 --> 00:27:12,596
Speaker 1: we've finally got the perfect guys and to be able

485
00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:15,876
Speaker 1: to like write those songs to get to figure it out.

486
00:27:16,276 --> 00:27:19,396
Speaker 1: We figured it out, and then nobody saw the world

487
00:27:19,676 --> 00:27:23,796
Speaker 1: what happened to us around us like we did nobody,

488
00:27:24,356 --> 00:27:26,476
Speaker 1: So there's nobody else you can really talk to who

489
00:27:26,516 --> 00:27:30,196
Speaker 1: experienced all of like the plane to two people and

490
00:27:30,276 --> 00:27:33,636
Speaker 1: three people and then nine and then you know, then

491
00:27:33,996 --> 00:27:36,836
Speaker 1: packing clubs, and then nobody else liked you in the

492
00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,876
Speaker 1: rest of the world. You know, you go out with

493
00:27:39,196 --> 00:27:42,196
Speaker 1: Iron Maiden and people, you know call you all the stuff.

494
00:27:42,276 --> 00:27:44,796
Speaker 3: You know, when did you guys go out with Iron Maiden?

495
00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,636
Speaker 3: Was that after appetite?

496
00:27:47,236 --> 00:27:49,916
Speaker 1: Yes, we went out. So we went out with the cult,

497
00:27:50,356 --> 00:27:53,196
Speaker 1: which was great for us. Came across Canada, down the

498
00:27:53,196 --> 00:27:55,796
Speaker 1: West Coast, and across over the New Orleans. We did

499
00:27:55,996 --> 00:27:59,116
Speaker 1: our own little tours, like of the Southwest, we did

500
00:27:59,156 --> 00:28:02,516
Speaker 1: the club tour of the US. We went to Europe

501
00:28:02,516 --> 00:28:05,996
Speaker 1: and played clubs and Germany and stuff. But we England

502
00:28:05,996 --> 00:28:08,556
Speaker 1: we were picking up. Yeah, we had put the EP

503
00:28:08,756 --> 00:28:11,876
Speaker 1: out and so we'd already played the Marquee in one.

504
00:28:12,036 --> 00:28:15,116
Speaker 1: So we started really kind of picking up in England

505
00:28:15,156 --> 00:28:17,596
Speaker 1: and but then you could come back and play, you know,

506
00:28:17,716 --> 00:28:20,396
Speaker 1: some we started to pick up in the northeast Boston

507
00:28:20,436 --> 00:28:22,676
Speaker 1: and New York. You know, you knew like when a

508
00:28:22,756 --> 00:28:25,596
Speaker 1: cop like said, hey, Gods and roses. You know, you're

509
00:28:25,596 --> 00:28:29,236
Speaker 1: walking down the street this cop him, you know, wow,

510
00:28:29,396 --> 00:28:31,836
Speaker 1: you know that's like, that's like you're getting into the

511
00:28:31,876 --> 00:28:34,436
Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of human mind.

512
00:28:34,676 --> 00:28:36,636
Speaker 3: It must be interesting to see like who it was

513
00:28:36,636 --> 00:28:37,956
Speaker 3: first resonating with, like.

514
00:28:39,116 --> 00:28:41,796
Speaker 1: Cops, but to see, you know, like for us to

515
00:28:42,836 --> 00:28:45,316
Speaker 1: you know, start to break through and really break through

516
00:28:45,356 --> 00:28:51,236
Speaker 1: and then then really really break through. It was so crazy.

517
00:28:51,876 --> 00:28:54,036
Speaker 1: You know, people thats how has this changed you? And

518
00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:55,916
Speaker 1: when we got that when it kind of blew up

519
00:28:55,916 --> 00:28:58,476
Speaker 1: and like eighty nine, I remember getting asked questions I'd

520
00:28:58,516 --> 00:29:01,436
Speaker 1: never been asking before how does this change? And I

521
00:29:01,436 --> 00:29:04,116
Speaker 1: thought about it, How does it change me? It must

522
00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:07,236
Speaker 1: change me? Everyone's asked me the same question, right, And

523
00:29:07,316 --> 00:29:10,396
Speaker 1: I realized it didn't change me. It's changed how people

524
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:13,916
Speaker 1: respond to me. And all of a sudden, I noticed

525
00:29:13,956 --> 00:29:16,556
Speaker 1: I had a lot more friends suddenly, and my jokes

526
00:29:16,556 --> 00:29:20,956
Speaker 1: were for funnier, you know, I was suddenly better looking

527
00:29:20,996 --> 00:29:23,196
Speaker 1: because you know, I was like I was getting you know,

528
00:29:23,316 --> 00:29:26,756
Speaker 1: hit on. I'm like, well, it's kind of probably out

529
00:29:26,796 --> 00:29:29,396
Speaker 1: of my league over there. Oh it's because I'm in

530
00:29:29,396 --> 00:29:32,716
Speaker 1: this band, you know, and they set us up on

531
00:29:32,756 --> 00:29:34,876
Speaker 1: the thing and we're on teep, we're on MTV and

532
00:29:34,916 --> 00:29:37,636
Speaker 1: with all that stuff, like it's kind of lonely, you know,

533
00:29:37,876 --> 00:29:39,836
Speaker 1: like said, when you realize that, it's kind of like,

534
00:29:39,876 --> 00:29:40,756
Speaker 1: oh shit.

535
00:29:41,516 --> 00:29:43,276
Speaker 3: Did you ever ever have a period where you were

536
00:29:43,316 --> 00:29:45,956
Speaker 3: like worked it a little bit, like you know, took

537
00:29:45,996 --> 00:29:48,236
Speaker 3: advantage of it in any way.

538
00:29:48,236 --> 00:29:50,916
Speaker 1: Not my style. It's not really not my style to

539
00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:54,836
Speaker 1: this day, you know, yeah, no, but I I really

540
00:29:54,956 --> 00:29:57,316
Speaker 1: kind of went back. I have my best friends I

541
00:29:57,316 --> 00:29:59,716
Speaker 1: grew up with and they're still my best friends. We

542
00:29:59,836 --> 00:30:02,996
Speaker 1: have our text group. We've been through it, you know,

543
00:30:03,116 --> 00:30:06,796
Speaker 1: if one of my body's strung Ona Heroin for you know,

544
00:30:06,956 --> 00:30:12,156
Speaker 1: fourteen years and like all of has an interesting story,

545
00:30:12,236 --> 00:30:15,796
Speaker 1: you know, and we've been through it together and so

546
00:30:15,836 --> 00:30:17,716
Speaker 1: it's it's really nice to have. So I kind of

547
00:30:17,716 --> 00:30:20,876
Speaker 1: reverted when all that kind of stuff. I just hung

548
00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:23,916
Speaker 1: on to my buddies and like, uh, this is kind

549
00:30:23,916 --> 00:30:28,076
Speaker 1: of weird, guys, you know, like so deep. It was

550
00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:32,396
Speaker 1: a deep band, you know, like, yeah, listen like Paradise City,

551
00:30:32,676 --> 00:30:35,236
Speaker 1: the Captain America's Got a Broken Heart. You know, it's

552
00:30:35,276 --> 00:30:39,916
Speaker 1: like it's deep, it's heavy shit. You know Brownstone about

553
00:30:39,916 --> 00:30:42,916
Speaker 1: getting strung out on Heroin, you know, yeah, like it's

554
00:30:42,956 --> 00:30:47,076
Speaker 1: not your average you know, hey, rock and roll. You know,

555
00:30:47,116 --> 00:30:49,476
Speaker 1: it's like the subject matter is kind of deep.

556
00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:52,436
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I always thought it was interesting that so

557
00:30:52,556 --> 00:30:55,276
Speaker 3: much was made about guns and roses being so wild

558
00:30:55,476 --> 00:30:59,196
Speaker 3: and hell raisers and but it's pretty obvious that you

559
00:30:59,236 --> 00:31:03,956
Speaker 3: guys were extremely driven. Yeah, and I know that. You know,

560
00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:08,556
Speaker 3: you went back to school, you studied business, and but

561
00:31:08,676 --> 00:31:10,636
Speaker 3: even back in the day when you guys were first

562
00:31:10,676 --> 00:31:15,556
Speaker 3: offered contracts, you know, before you're even offered full record deals,

563
00:31:15,596 --> 00:31:19,796
Speaker 3: you were turning stuff down because you knew, you know that,

564
00:31:19,916 --> 00:31:22,036
Speaker 3: like this, this isn't good enough for us, and you

565
00:31:22,156 --> 00:31:24,916
Speaker 3: held out, which it must be so hard to do.

566
00:31:25,116 --> 00:31:27,996
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we got offered ten thousand bucks for

567
00:31:28,196 --> 00:31:30,556
Speaker 1: the rights to switch out of Mind, you know, like

568
00:31:30,716 --> 00:31:35,316
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars when you're starting literally you're not you know,

569
00:31:35,676 --> 00:31:38,956
Speaker 1: we're working like phone sales jobs and stuff and paying

570
00:31:38,996 --> 00:31:42,236
Speaker 1: for a rehearsal place and had days when you just

571
00:31:42,236 --> 00:31:46,756
Speaker 1: couldn't even for top ramen. You know, yeah, ten thousand bucks,

572
00:31:46,796 --> 00:31:51,516
Speaker 1: it's like we're rich. But if we just thought if

573
00:31:51,876 --> 00:31:53,716
Speaker 1: and it was for the guy was smart. It was

574
00:31:53,756 --> 00:31:56,516
Speaker 1: a he knew we welcome to jungle. He saw us

575
00:31:56,556 --> 00:31:58,596
Speaker 1: playing in the clubs. He's like, I'll offer you ten

576
00:31:58,756 --> 00:32:03,356
Speaker 1: grandpa publishing on that we didn't know what publishing really meant. Yeah,

577
00:32:03,356 --> 00:32:06,876
Speaker 1: but if it's worth ten thousand dollars to him, it's

578
00:32:06,876 --> 00:32:09,356
Speaker 1: got to be worth that does at least. And then

579
00:32:09,356 --> 00:32:12,476
Speaker 1: we got offered a publishing deal and this is after

580
00:32:12,516 --> 00:32:14,636
Speaker 1: we got signed two hundred Well, if it's worth two

581
00:32:14,756 --> 00:32:18,396
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, I mean that's like five bajillion dollars to

582
00:32:18,516 --> 00:32:20,996
Speaker 1: us at that point. Yeah, but if it's worth that

583
00:32:21,076 --> 00:32:23,636
Speaker 1: much to them, we don't really know what publishing is

584
00:32:23,756 --> 00:32:25,716
Speaker 1: or how it works. It's got to be worth that

585
00:32:25,796 --> 00:32:29,396
Speaker 1: to us, you know, why give it to them. So

586
00:32:29,916 --> 00:32:32,556
Speaker 1: we were kind of like a little streak gang. And

587
00:32:32,596 --> 00:32:36,636
Speaker 1: when we started making money, even like we get got accountants,

588
00:32:36,876 --> 00:32:38,956
Speaker 1: you have to get account like, what the fuck is

589
00:32:39,196 --> 00:32:42,196
Speaker 1: you know, we're all smart, We're a smart guy.

590
00:32:42,196 --> 00:32:44,716
Speaker 3: And we were like yeah, yeah, but also very driven,

591
00:32:44,996 --> 00:32:47,316
Speaker 3: just you know, It's like everyone kind of thinks of

592
00:32:47,396 --> 00:32:50,996
Speaker 3: you guys as like hard partying, don't give a fuck

593
00:32:51,196 --> 00:32:53,036
Speaker 3: like all that and that. I mean, I'm sure that

594
00:32:53,036 --> 00:32:56,196
Speaker 3: that's true too, But you're also very driven.

595
00:32:56,356 --> 00:33:00,676
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody rehearsed more than us. No, we worked harder,

596
00:33:00,836 --> 00:33:05,156
Speaker 1: you know, like and still like when we we go

597
00:33:05,196 --> 00:33:07,556
Speaker 1: out on tour, you know, and we thought we just

598
00:33:07,556 --> 00:33:10,396
Speaker 1: didn't We're going to rehearse for six weeks, you know,

599
00:33:11,436 --> 00:33:14,156
Speaker 1: six days a week, not just going and fuck around

600
00:33:14,156 --> 00:33:15,796
Speaker 1: the talk because we put you put the interns in

601
00:33:15,956 --> 00:33:19,156
Speaker 1: and we're playing and we play for hours.

602
00:33:19,516 --> 00:33:22,956
Speaker 3: So in those early sessions, when you in that era

603
00:33:23,116 --> 00:33:25,476
Speaker 3: when Guns was looking for a producer and you met

604
00:33:25,516 --> 00:33:27,316
Speaker 3: with a bunch of different people trying to find the

605
00:33:27,396 --> 00:33:32,156
Speaker 3: right fit, how did those early songwriting sessions work, because

606
00:33:32,156 --> 00:33:33,836
Speaker 3: I've heard you say it was pretty collaborative.

607
00:33:34,156 --> 00:33:37,436
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming up with the music and then

608
00:33:37,476 --> 00:33:40,636
Speaker 1: finding a producer later that two different things. We were

609
00:33:40,636 --> 00:33:45,556
Speaker 1: done with Appetite plus other songs. By the time we

610
00:33:45,676 --> 00:33:50,116
Speaker 1: started looking for a producer, we knew our songs well

611
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:53,436
Speaker 1: enough that we didn't want a producer who would get

612
00:33:53,476 --> 00:33:56,556
Speaker 1: into the songs. We didn't want to put somebody touching

613
00:33:56,596 --> 00:33:59,396
Speaker 1: a note I'm not going to touch in it. We

614
00:33:59,436 --> 00:34:03,356
Speaker 1: wanted to sound like we sound in our little rehearsal

615
00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:08,436
Speaker 1: because it sounded fucking great. Yeah. So but we went

616
00:34:08,476 --> 00:34:11,716
Speaker 1: to you know like there was there was like Mutt

617
00:34:11,756 --> 00:34:14,556
Speaker 1: Lane who'd done back in Black and stuff, and like,

618
00:34:14,796 --> 00:34:17,516
Speaker 1: I mean that's a great, dry sounding record, you know,

619
00:34:18,436 --> 00:34:20,956
Speaker 1: but he was to get him. He was more than

620
00:34:21,716 --> 00:34:23,636
Speaker 1: just a walk in the room with more than We

621
00:34:23,676 --> 00:34:26,956
Speaker 1: got two hundred and fifty grand to make our first record. Yeah,

622
00:34:26,996 --> 00:34:29,396
Speaker 1: and that would have to pay for you know, that's

623
00:34:29,396 --> 00:34:31,676
Speaker 1: an including and advanced to us so we could live

624
00:34:32,596 --> 00:34:38,236
Speaker 1: stuff our jobs. It's an amazing day. But we'd written songs.

625
00:34:38,276 --> 00:34:40,596
Speaker 1: We had this a lot of times. We ran on

626
00:34:40,596 --> 00:34:44,236
Speaker 1: acoustic guitars because that's how we had and The Night

627
00:34:44,236 --> 00:34:46,396
Speaker 1: Train was written on acoustic guitar, and we'd go out,

628
00:34:46,516 --> 00:34:50,036
Speaker 1: like I remember that in particular, we've drinking in the

629
00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:53,356
Speaker 1: Night Train, you know, this cheap booze. It was like,

630
00:34:53,716 --> 00:34:57,516
Speaker 1: I don't know, dollar twenty seven cents a bottle, and

631
00:34:57,556 --> 00:34:59,276
Speaker 1: we were going to go out and fly her for

632
00:34:59,356 --> 00:35:01,516
Speaker 1: a gig that, yeah, which is something we would go

633
00:35:01,556 --> 00:35:03,436
Speaker 1: out and do together. You know, at least a couple

634
00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:05,156
Speaker 1: of us ago. This night we were going out as

635
00:35:05,196 --> 00:35:07,756
Speaker 1: a band. We're going to cover a hole any walk,

636
00:35:08,276 --> 00:35:10,756
Speaker 1: you know, got your bucket of paste and you got

637
00:35:10,836 --> 00:35:15,476
Speaker 1: flyers in here, and we just kept singing the chorus

638
00:35:15,476 --> 00:35:17,996
Speaker 1: for night Train And because we kind of written we

639
00:35:17,996 --> 00:35:21,836
Speaker 1: were all got together I think at Izzy's apartment beforehand,

640
00:35:22,396 --> 00:35:25,196
Speaker 1: and came up with the genesis of that, and we

641
00:35:25,236 --> 00:35:28,436
Speaker 1: were singing it because we didn't have phones and shit

642
00:35:28,516 --> 00:35:31,756
Speaker 1: to record stuff. Yeah, I have to remember what you wrote,

643
00:35:32,156 --> 00:35:34,316
Speaker 1: so a lot of times you just go around seeing it.

644
00:35:34,916 --> 00:35:37,836
Speaker 1: But we landed on some really cool shit, you know.

645
00:35:37,916 --> 00:35:41,956
Speaker 1: I remember like landing on the notes for Michelle mounts

646
00:35:42,356 --> 00:35:46,236
Speaker 1: Now and it just killed it. We just played that

647
00:35:46,316 --> 00:35:49,516
Speaker 1: riff for it hours, you know, and then you have

648
00:35:49,556 --> 00:35:53,196
Speaker 1: to come up with other bits and so bits and pieces.

649
00:35:53,556 --> 00:35:55,636
Speaker 3: Who came up with the whistle in Paradise City?

650
00:35:57,196 --> 00:36:00,556
Speaker 1: Axcellent? I think I think you had a whistle. It's

651
00:36:00,596 --> 00:36:04,476
Speaker 1: like a necklace, you know, like this cool whistle. You know,

652
00:36:04,636 --> 00:36:07,796
Speaker 1: you used the stuff that's around you. If you're making

653
00:36:07,876 --> 00:36:10,916
Speaker 1: a record on budget. One of the songs has like

654
00:36:10,956 --> 00:36:17,076
Speaker 1: a whatever that thing is really called. But he used

655
00:36:17,116 --> 00:36:20,276
Speaker 1: a comb and wax paper for that, Like we need

656
00:36:20,276 --> 00:36:23,916
Speaker 1: that sound that's like in seventies cop you know TV shows,

657
00:36:24,076 --> 00:36:27,196
Speaker 1: so you use what's around you. And but finding a producer,

658
00:36:27,916 --> 00:36:31,756
Speaker 1: you know, we found Mike Clink after you know, we

659
00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:35,676
Speaker 1: we sat with Paul Stanley, you know, just because like,

660
00:36:35,716 --> 00:36:39,796
Speaker 1: well Paul Stanley can kiss if nothing else, like he

661
00:36:39,916 --> 00:36:43,236
Speaker 1: came and roger'son SAT and watched us, you know, you

662
00:36:43,236 --> 00:36:46,076
Speaker 1: know that's a dirty show. And then he came to

663
00:36:46,116 --> 00:36:49,356
Speaker 1: have a meeting with us about producing the record. It

664
00:36:49,396 --> 00:36:52,356
Speaker 1: wasn't the right fit. We could tell. We were talking

665
00:36:52,356 --> 00:36:56,236
Speaker 1: about music. His idea of what should be in our

666
00:36:56,276 --> 00:36:59,396
Speaker 1: idea was different. But that was fine, you know.

667
00:36:59,916 --> 00:37:02,956
Speaker 3: But yeah, but again it's like another instance where you

668
00:37:02,996 --> 00:37:06,556
Speaker 3: guys are confident in your sound, where you can say

669
00:37:06,596 --> 00:37:07,756
Speaker 3: no to somebody like that.

670
00:37:08,236 --> 00:37:10,556
Speaker 1: Well, we just knew, and we knew we were at

671
00:37:10,556 --> 00:37:14,036
Speaker 1: the age that we should know, right like whatever was

672
00:37:14,076 --> 00:37:16,156
Speaker 1: going to be next in rock was going to be

673
00:37:17,036 --> 00:37:20,836
Speaker 1: on our shoulders. And somebody who was maybe wasn't with

674
00:37:21,036 --> 00:37:24,596
Speaker 1: us through the whole thing, who understood it completely, they

675
00:37:24,636 --> 00:37:28,196
Speaker 1: just wouldn't understand it. You know. We just wanted microphones

676
00:37:28,276 --> 00:37:32,076
Speaker 1: up against our amps and around the drums and capture axel,

677
00:37:32,716 --> 00:37:35,796
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and we had these backing vocals that

678
00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:38,596
Speaker 1: we wanted to really like. You know, if you listen

679
00:37:38,636 --> 00:37:41,716
Speaker 1: to the appetite, backing vocals are like such a big

680
00:37:41,756 --> 00:37:43,356
Speaker 1: part of it. You know. We wanted that to do

681
00:37:44,036 --> 00:37:48,436
Speaker 1: a thing. But Mike Clink came into where we he

682
00:37:48,676 --> 00:37:51,116
Speaker 1: didn't really want to sit down and talk too much.

683
00:37:51,156 --> 00:37:53,516
Speaker 1: He said, what why don't I come down and record

684
00:37:53,556 --> 00:37:57,156
Speaker 1: you guys. I gotta like eight track reel to reel. Okay,

685
00:37:57,716 --> 00:38:00,316
Speaker 1: And he came, set up some mics and then recorded

686
00:38:00,396 --> 00:38:04,276
Speaker 1: us and then and played it back for us. You know,

687
00:38:04,276 --> 00:38:06,956
Speaker 1: I had a little setup to play it back, and

688
00:38:07,116 --> 00:38:10,396
Speaker 1: it sounds fucking killer, right, because well, that's all we

689
00:38:10,436 --> 00:38:12,396
Speaker 1: need to do is just capture you know. It's like

690
00:38:12,796 --> 00:38:16,076
Speaker 1: the mic through the cord and then through the board

691
00:38:16,156 --> 00:38:18,556
Speaker 1: onto the tape. That's what all we're trying to do.

692
00:38:19,156 --> 00:38:23,276
Speaker 1: He wanted to catch the purest form of that and like, okay, great,

693
00:38:23,396 --> 00:38:27,476
Speaker 1: So we we tried some tracks with like Spencer Proffer

694
00:38:28,476 --> 00:38:30,316
Speaker 1: and that's actually where we made the live like a

695
00:38:30,356 --> 00:38:34,676
Speaker 1: suicide EP. It was at Spencer Proffers studio. Well, we

696
00:38:34,716 --> 00:38:37,236
Speaker 1: had a day to ourselves and we just we had

697
00:38:37,236 --> 00:38:39,996
Speaker 1: an engineer there. We made the live like a suicide record.

698
00:38:40,036 --> 00:38:42,156
Speaker 1: It's not actually live. That's why there's a question mark

699
00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:44,916
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Oh okay, we weren't a big band.

700
00:38:44,916 --> 00:38:47,036
Speaker 1: The joke is we weren't big enough to have a

701
00:38:47,076 --> 00:38:50,476
Speaker 1: big audience. Our audiences were like twelve people at that point.

702
00:38:50,756 --> 00:38:55,316
Speaker 1: Did you hear this roar? They had the Texas Jam audience? Uh,

703
00:38:55,756 --> 00:38:58,556
Speaker 1: live from the Texas Jam was like all these huge bands,

704
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,716
Speaker 1: We're like, let's use that audience. Oh so you hear

705
00:39:02,796 --> 00:39:05,836
Speaker 1: like the loud roars and the firecrackers. We just let

706
00:39:05,876 --> 00:39:08,836
Speaker 1: firecrackers off in the studio, you know. But we got

707
00:39:09,276 --> 00:39:13,476
Speaker 1: you know, we tried out different producers.

708
00:39:12,916 --> 00:39:15,796
Speaker 3: And then you worked with Dan McCafferty, Dan.

709
00:39:15,716 --> 00:39:20,916
Speaker 1: Mccaff from Nazareth. Those records just sound great. I mean, oh,

710
00:39:21,476 --> 00:39:26,676
Speaker 1: it's the precursor to ac DC and to that cult

711
00:39:26,796 --> 00:39:29,636
Speaker 1: electric record. You know. It's like very dry, just in

712
00:39:29,756 --> 00:39:33,076
Speaker 1: your face recording. And they so we tried Dan and

713
00:39:33,276 --> 00:39:36,836
Speaker 1: we did get twenty nine songs recorded. Sounds shitty.

714
00:39:37,276 --> 00:39:39,396
Speaker 3: You can hear them. They're on Spotify.

715
00:39:39,836 --> 00:39:42,036
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a box that we put out. We finally

716
00:39:42,556 --> 00:39:45,276
Speaker 1: put those songs out, twenty seven song whatever, it was,

717
00:39:45,596 --> 00:39:49,036
Speaker 1: all the covers we did Heartbreak Hotel by Elvis and

718
00:39:49,156 --> 00:39:51,276
Speaker 1: all this stuff, but landing on Mike, you know, he

719
00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:54,956
Speaker 1: just just did to capture you guys. And when we

720
00:39:55,196 --> 00:39:58,996
Speaker 1: got into that Rumbo recorders, he was really good at

721
00:39:59,076 --> 00:40:03,716
Speaker 1: like kind of corralling us, like, okay, we do a take.

722
00:40:04,716 --> 00:40:07,716
Speaker 1: There's only I mean, I think all of that record

723
00:40:07,836 --> 00:40:11,316
Speaker 1: is first second or three it takes. I've every saw

724
00:40:11,476 --> 00:40:14,316
Speaker 1: we were, We played all the time. You know, we

725
00:40:14,356 --> 00:40:18,876
Speaker 1: didn't need to do nineteen takes of anything. And Steven

726
00:40:19,076 --> 00:40:21,796
Speaker 1: was was crushing it then, so we didn't need to

727
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:25,036
Speaker 1: get like we don't got the drum take yet. We'd

728
00:40:25,076 --> 00:40:27,876
Speaker 1: have it, you know. So and Mike was really good

729
00:40:27,916 --> 00:40:30,156
Speaker 1: at like we had headphones on first time, kind of

730
00:40:30,476 --> 00:40:32,756
Speaker 1: using headphones and all that stuff, and he knew it

731
00:40:32,756 --> 00:40:34,636
Speaker 1: was all kind of alien to us, and he would

732
00:40:34,636 --> 00:40:36,796
Speaker 1: come on the thing you talk to them, all right, guys,

733
00:40:36,836 --> 00:40:40,516
Speaker 1: it's time to dig in. This is the one. You know.

734
00:40:40,836 --> 00:40:42,916
Speaker 1: He'd let us get one out, you know, and maybe

735
00:40:42,956 --> 00:40:45,636
Speaker 1: we use that first one. But he's like, okay, guys,

736
00:40:45,676 --> 00:40:47,556
Speaker 1: dig in. And he had this kind of voice in

737
00:40:47,556 --> 00:40:50,676
Speaker 1: a way about him, very gentle. Never you never got

738
00:40:50,716 --> 00:40:53,116
Speaker 1: out of you know, he was just he's always just

739
00:40:53,156 --> 00:40:56,356
Speaker 1: been this general guy. All Right, guys, it's time to

740
00:40:56,356 --> 00:40:58,996
Speaker 1: dig in. When Mike you said that you knew like

741
00:40:59,036 --> 00:41:01,956
Speaker 1: somebody's fucking around too much or something. All right, we'll

742
00:41:01,956 --> 00:41:04,756
Speaker 1: go we'll dig in. We'll dig in for Yeah.

743
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:06,796
Speaker 3: And were you guys doing overdubs and stuff or was

744
00:41:06,796 --> 00:41:08,796
Speaker 3: it just all one take?

745
00:41:09,676 --> 00:41:13,156
Speaker 1: Basic drums are pretty much one yeah, one take through

746
00:41:13,156 --> 00:41:18,076
Speaker 1: that stuff, Slash understood that he could put his guitars

747
00:41:18,116 --> 00:41:21,076
Speaker 1: on again, so he when we were doing they're called

748
00:41:21,076 --> 00:41:26,476
Speaker 1: basic tracks, he drank like a fiend. And so I

749
00:41:26,476 --> 00:41:28,836
Speaker 1: wish we could get out takes some of that his guitars.

750
00:41:28,916 --> 00:41:31,236
Speaker 1: We'd have to turn it off because he was so out.

751
00:41:31,836 --> 00:41:34,796
Speaker 1: He was so hammered, you know, like Slash, we're trying

752
00:41:34,836 --> 00:41:37,516
Speaker 1: to get basic tracks here, he'd be laughing and stuff,

753
00:41:37,556 --> 00:41:40,796
Speaker 1: and like so he did. I think he probably kept

754
00:41:40,796 --> 00:41:43,556
Speaker 1: some of his guitars, And is these guitars on on

755
00:41:43,636 --> 00:41:47,196
Speaker 1: those basic tracks because everything was isolated. If it was

756
00:41:47,236 --> 00:41:50,836
Speaker 1: a good take and it sounded good, like why do

757
00:41:50,916 --> 00:41:51,276
Speaker 1: it again?

758
00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:54,356
Speaker 3: So Slash would be like noodling and like jamming and

759
00:41:54,476 --> 00:41:57,516
Speaker 3: just like going off the script basically, yeah.

760
00:41:57,316 --> 00:42:00,196
Speaker 1: Following the ground, like dude, we're trying to get basic

761
00:42:00,276 --> 00:42:03,556
Speaker 1: tracks over here and Axel would sing with us in

762
00:42:03,596 --> 00:42:06,916
Speaker 1: all the basic tracks. He had a little booth because

763
00:42:06,916 --> 00:42:09,556
Speaker 1: we're used to playing as a band, right, so right,

764
00:42:09,956 --> 00:42:13,636
Speaker 1: and we always did that, even with all the user

765
00:42:13,676 --> 00:42:16,556
Speaker 1: illusion stuff, you know, played everything as a band and

766
00:42:16,876 --> 00:42:19,596
Speaker 1: anything that was good enough for take because you want that,

767
00:42:19,916 --> 00:42:23,396
Speaker 1: you know, first take in rock and roll, right if

768
00:42:23,396 --> 00:42:23,996
Speaker 1: you can get it?

769
00:42:24,396 --> 00:42:26,836
Speaker 3: And was there more tinkering with the lyrics or were

770
00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:28,156
Speaker 3: those kind of locked by then?

771
00:42:28,716 --> 00:42:33,356
Speaker 1: In an appetite there take? Yeah, No, done, Everything was

772
00:42:33,436 --> 00:42:37,476
Speaker 1: absolutely done. Slash guitar solos, he had written those. You know,

773
00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:40,716
Speaker 1: everything was done. It's just a matter of capturing on tape.

774
00:42:41,676 --> 00:42:43,836
Speaker 2: We're gonna pause one last time for a quick break

775
00:42:43,876 --> 00:42:46,076
Speaker 2: and then come back with the rest of Lea's conversation

776
00:42:46,356 --> 00:42:54,156
Speaker 2: with Duff mccagan. Here's the rest of Lea Roses conversation

777
00:42:54,396 --> 00:42:55,396
Speaker 2: with Duff mccagan.

778
00:42:56,356 --> 00:43:00,316
Speaker 3: You've been in so many bands. Before you even moved

779
00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:04,276
Speaker 3: to LA you had been in probably eight bands.

780
00:43:04,716 --> 00:43:07,276
Speaker 1: Eight yeah bands. Yeah, I'd been a lot more than that.

781
00:43:07,356 --> 00:43:09,836
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love in the Dot documentary where you're

782
00:43:09,836 --> 00:43:12,076
Speaker 3: just naming the names of all the bands you've been in,

783
00:43:12,116 --> 00:43:13,716
Speaker 3: like the Farts and.

784
00:43:14,996 --> 00:43:18,636
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, Seattle had a great music scene.

785
00:43:18,676 --> 00:43:22,076
Speaker 1: It's just unfortunately, like Heroin came in at about eighty

786
00:43:22,116 --> 00:43:26,316
Speaker 1: three and I was left. I didn't want to move someplace.

787
00:43:26,516 --> 00:43:28,636
Speaker 1: I was playing with all these great people there was

788
00:43:28,836 --> 00:43:31,356
Speaker 1: I was like one person away in every band, like

789
00:43:31,396 --> 00:43:35,276
Speaker 1: from the band being really fucking good, you know. As

790
00:43:35,316 --> 00:43:38,676
Speaker 1: you know, like Sea scene took off only a couple

791
00:43:38,716 --> 00:43:41,836
Speaker 1: of years later, you know, he Soundguarden stuff like that

792
00:43:41,996 --> 00:43:46,316
Speaker 1: was all there. It was just in my group. It

793
00:43:46,436 --> 00:43:49,196
Speaker 1: was just everybody had strung out and it was time

794
00:43:49,476 --> 00:43:52,236
Speaker 1: to go. If I wanted to do this, it was

795
00:43:52,236 --> 00:43:53,116
Speaker 1: time to get out.

796
00:43:53,316 --> 00:43:56,916
Speaker 3: Once the Seattle sound was established and did take off,

797
00:43:57,476 --> 00:44:01,116
Speaker 3: you know with Pearl Jams, Soundgarden, Nirvana, what did you

798
00:44:01,196 --> 00:44:02,236
Speaker 3: think of that sound?

799
00:44:03,356 --> 00:44:07,476
Speaker 1: I was super proud, you know, super proud. I was

800
00:44:07,516 --> 00:44:10,516
Speaker 1: on the you know, so Bruce Habit from Subpop, him

801
00:44:10,516 --> 00:44:13,676
Speaker 1: and I worked at the same restaurant and he had

802
00:44:13,716 --> 00:44:17,796
Speaker 1: sub Pop. The column in this newspaper called called the Rocket,

803
00:44:18,316 --> 00:44:20,356
Speaker 1: so it kind of opened. That's how you got information.

804
00:44:20,556 --> 00:44:22,556
Speaker 1: You know, you're not old enough to remember any of

805
00:44:22,556 --> 00:44:25,796
Speaker 1: this stuff, but Maximum rock and Roll was a fanzine

806
00:44:25,836 --> 00:44:28,396
Speaker 1: that would have the scene report. So that's how you

807
00:44:28,436 --> 00:44:31,516
Speaker 1: found out what was going on in Chicago, Washington, d C,

808
00:44:32,836 --> 00:44:35,596
Speaker 1: dall it whatever. You know, you'd read about it, and

809
00:44:35,636 --> 00:44:38,036
Speaker 1: he had sort of that column and that was called

810
00:44:38,036 --> 00:44:43,396
Speaker 1: the Rocket in Seattle music newspaper. And then he was

811
00:44:43,396 --> 00:44:46,556
Speaker 1: about to pronounce for sub sub pop single like, oh,

812
00:44:46,676 --> 00:44:49,876
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. Named after your column. It's credited

813
00:44:49,956 --> 00:44:51,356
Speaker 1: and it was the you Man I think was the

814
00:44:51,356 --> 00:44:54,316
Speaker 1: first band. But that was right in when I was

815
00:44:55,036 --> 00:44:58,516
Speaker 1: getting to leave. So he picked up Steam. And then

816
00:44:58,556 --> 00:45:01,476
Speaker 1: my my friend Kim, she from Fastbacks, she went to

817
00:45:01,516 --> 00:45:05,156
Speaker 1: go work for subpop like they were hiring employees, you know,

818
00:45:05,276 --> 00:45:08,796
Speaker 1: like holy shit, wow. And I was put on the

819
00:45:08,836 --> 00:45:11,716
Speaker 1: sub Pop Singles Club. So I got all I had got,

820
00:45:11,756 --> 00:45:14,676
Speaker 1: you know, a tad single and you know, all the

821
00:45:14,796 --> 00:45:17,876
Speaker 1: early shit, and I was really really happy about it.

822
00:45:18,116 --> 00:45:20,196
Speaker 1: Went and saw a sound Garden when they came and

823
00:45:20,196 --> 00:45:21,596
Speaker 1: played here in eighty What do.

824
00:45:21,596 --> 00:45:22,556
Speaker 3: You think of Soundgarden?

825
00:45:22,756 --> 00:45:26,476
Speaker 1: I mean I knew Kim, and I knew Chris and

826
00:45:26,556 --> 00:45:29,636
Speaker 1: Ben was around. I knew band a little bit. So

827
00:45:30,316 --> 00:45:33,236
Speaker 1: they're right. You know, they're not trying to write pop

828
00:45:33,436 --> 00:45:36,476
Speaker 1: radio song. They're doing it for that, you know. I

829
00:45:36,516 --> 00:45:40,116
Speaker 1: love those kinds of bands, you know, and Pearl Jam

830
00:45:40,156 --> 00:45:43,396
Speaker 1: came down and played the cat House. I knew Stone

831
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:46,796
Speaker 1: and Jeff from before, and I got and played with

832
00:45:46,836 --> 00:45:48,876
Speaker 1: them at the cat House. I played drums. We did

833
00:45:48,956 --> 00:45:52,396
Speaker 1: Sonic Producer and Nirvan they were on Geffen. I mean that,

834
00:45:53,476 --> 00:45:55,796
Speaker 1: you know that never Mind record was like I wore

835
00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:58,036
Speaker 1: out the cassette before the record even came out.

836
00:45:59,076 --> 00:46:01,516
Speaker 3: I was so surprised. In your book, you talked about

837
00:46:01,596 --> 00:46:05,036
Speaker 3: a little bit you alluded to the the like scuffle

838
00:46:05,156 --> 00:46:09,396
Speaker 3: that happened at backstage at the MTV Music Awards between

839
00:46:09,476 --> 00:46:12,236
Speaker 3: Nirvan and Guns and Roses, and I imagine you being

840
00:46:12,956 --> 00:46:16,076
Speaker 3: the peacemaker because you're from Seattle, but you're the one

841
00:46:16,116 --> 00:46:17,676
Speaker 3: who actually got to the fight.

842
00:46:18,636 --> 00:46:23,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was just like, well, okay, so that

843
00:46:23,196 --> 00:46:27,436
Speaker 1: thing was really a non it's a story because the

844
00:46:27,476 --> 00:46:29,476
Speaker 1: band for so bad at the time. But if you

845
00:46:29,516 --> 00:46:31,876
Speaker 1: were there, you'd be like, it's really a non story,

846
00:46:31,996 --> 00:46:32,196
Speaker 1: you know.

847
00:46:32,396 --> 00:46:32,756
Speaker 3: Okay.

848
00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:37,316
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Kurt Loader was around, and Kurt Loader at

849
00:46:37,356 --> 00:46:41,956
Speaker 1: a time before there was social media, he loved the

850
00:46:42,036 --> 00:46:44,756
Speaker 1: team man and he loved the stir of the pot

851
00:46:45,116 --> 00:46:47,676
Speaker 1: and he's the one who really got that thing going,

852
00:46:47,796 --> 00:46:50,836
Speaker 1: you know. Interesting as far as it went, it was

853
00:46:50,876 --> 00:46:54,076
Speaker 1: all really a Kurt Loader as I see it, because

854
00:46:54,076 --> 00:46:56,396
Speaker 1: it was like there was nothing, there was no there there. Well,

855
00:46:56,436 --> 00:46:58,276
Speaker 1: you wanted them to go on tour with us, like

856
00:46:58,356 --> 00:47:01,716
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You know, we'd had sound guard now

857
00:47:01,956 --> 00:47:04,356
Speaker 1: and faith no more. You know, we got bands and

858
00:47:04,476 --> 00:47:08,516
Speaker 1: we liked to go tour with us. And seeing Chris Novaselik,

859
00:47:08,596 --> 00:47:11,596
Speaker 1: you know, I'm oh God, But seeing Chris, I was like,

860
00:47:12,356 --> 00:47:14,436
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I didn't get in a fight with you. Chris.

861
00:47:16,076 --> 00:47:17,876
Speaker 1: He's a fucking he's huge.

862
00:47:17,916 --> 00:47:20,516
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just because he's tall doesn't mean I know,

863
00:47:20,636 --> 00:47:26,876
Speaker 3: but you know, I feel like you could take him.

864
00:47:26,916 --> 00:47:28,876
Speaker 1: So there was no there there. And you know, I

865
00:47:28,916 --> 00:47:31,836
Speaker 1: was back to Seattle band I mean, Alison Chains and

866
00:47:32,396 --> 00:47:35,516
Speaker 1: everyone was so mother love bone. You know. That was

867
00:47:35,556 --> 00:47:39,516
Speaker 1: the first like fuck. And I knew Andy would Greg

868
00:47:39,636 --> 00:47:42,876
Speaker 1: Greg Gilmour, the drummer was in my band, Timid Morning,

869
00:47:43,076 --> 00:47:45,556
Speaker 1: you know, and the living Ione who found him from

870
00:47:45,556 --> 00:47:47,676
Speaker 1: a gig harbor from this ad that he had and

871
00:47:47,716 --> 00:47:50,276
Speaker 1: brought him up to Seattle, and so I was like,

872
00:47:50,956 --> 00:47:54,156
Speaker 1: it's happening. You know, we knew all the talent was there.

873
00:47:54,636 --> 00:47:55,436
Speaker 1: I had to bail.

874
00:47:55,796 --> 00:47:56,636
Speaker 3: Why did you leave?

875
00:47:56,676 --> 00:48:01,036
Speaker 1: Though? Because everybody around me was strung out from my

876
00:48:01,196 --> 00:48:04,036
Speaker 1: roommate who was one of my best friends, one of

877
00:48:04,036 --> 00:48:05,996
Speaker 1: the guys I told you, strung out, the heroin for

878
00:48:05,996 --> 00:48:11,116
Speaker 1: fourteen years, my band tim like we were. We toured

879
00:48:11,196 --> 00:48:13,956
Speaker 1: Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's. We were on our way up,

880
00:48:14,636 --> 00:48:17,796
Speaker 1: we were on our way there. You know, everyone came

881
00:48:17,836 --> 00:48:23,516
Speaker 1: into that band tore it apart, heartbreaking my girlfriend, you know,

882
00:48:23,796 --> 00:48:27,676
Speaker 1: like everybody around me. A friend of mine who was

883
00:48:27,716 --> 00:48:31,636
Speaker 1: strung how came. He's like the stuff you got to

884
00:48:31,676 --> 00:48:34,676
Speaker 1: get out. We're all you know, you're like all our

885
00:48:34,676 --> 00:48:37,156
Speaker 1: best hope. I'm like, you're right, I gotta go. And

886
00:48:37,196 --> 00:48:40,276
Speaker 1: that was it. I sold gear. I had a job,

887
00:48:40,436 --> 00:48:44,916
Speaker 1: you know, like I had like three hundred forty bucks,

888
00:48:45,516 --> 00:48:48,156
Speaker 1: you know, after selling me, you know, so it's like, okay,

889
00:48:48,236 --> 00:48:48,796
Speaker 1: I'm going to go.

890
00:48:49,356 --> 00:48:52,116
Speaker 3: So was the ambition to go to LA to get

891
00:48:52,156 --> 00:48:56,196
Speaker 3: in a successful band or just continue to play music.

892
00:48:56,436 --> 00:48:58,316
Speaker 1: I wanted to find you, Like I said, I'd been

893
00:48:58,356 --> 00:49:01,916
Speaker 1: in bands where there's always one missing link. I was

894
00:49:01,956 --> 00:49:04,036
Speaker 1: on the search for my band that didn't have a

895
00:49:04,076 --> 00:49:06,276
Speaker 1: missing link. How I was going to do it, I

896
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:08,956
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, like it doesn't matter. That was

897
00:49:08,996 --> 00:49:12,236
Speaker 1: the department. It's gonna get done and uh you know,

898
00:49:12,356 --> 00:49:15,076
Speaker 1: and meeting Slash and steeping through the ad and the

899
00:49:15,156 --> 00:49:18,956
Speaker 1: recycler and Easy moving across the street from me and

900
00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:21,876
Speaker 1: meeting Axls. You know, like one thing led to another.

901
00:49:22,396 --> 00:49:26,676
Speaker 1: I had run rays from Black Flag was it was

902
00:49:26,716 --> 00:49:30,516
Speaker 1: my good buddy, you know, he was down here. Yeah,

903
00:49:30,956 --> 00:49:34,196
Speaker 1: so I had it, you know, like a friend got

904
00:49:34,236 --> 00:49:37,156
Speaker 1: a job right away. One thing led to another. Yeah,

905
00:49:37,436 --> 00:49:39,476
Speaker 1: we found the band that had the right guys in

906
00:49:39,876 --> 00:49:43,316
Speaker 1: Hey about eight months after I was thinking the first

907
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:46,516
Speaker 1: time the the five of us gotten room together about

908
00:49:46,556 --> 00:49:49,636
Speaker 1: eight months after I got here. So and once you

909
00:49:49,756 --> 00:49:52,236
Speaker 1: got that right band, like nobody can you know, Like

910
00:49:52,316 --> 00:49:56,836
Speaker 1: for me, we're going. It doesn't matter. You starve, you

911
00:49:56,876 --> 00:49:58,516
Speaker 1: can do all that shit, but we're going. We got

912
00:49:58,516 --> 00:49:59,356
Speaker 1: the right guys.

913
00:49:59,476 --> 00:50:01,876
Speaker 3: You know, when was the first time you heard Axels sing?

914
00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:03,156
Speaker 3: What was your impression?

915
00:50:03,396 --> 00:50:07,516
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Izzy and he we're playing with these

916
00:50:07,556 --> 00:50:09,516
Speaker 1: two other guys that we're trying it out. It was

917
00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:14,196
Speaker 1: another guitar player, great guitar player, another drummer, really good drummer.

918
00:50:14,876 --> 00:50:18,756
Speaker 1: And they asked me to come play and it was

919
00:50:18,756 --> 00:50:20,356
Speaker 1: out in the valle. They got it, you know, and

920
00:50:20,556 --> 00:50:23,516
Speaker 1: by the hour rehearsal plays like four bucks and they

921
00:50:23,556 --> 00:50:25,276
Speaker 1: knew they guy to own. This was like four bucks

922
00:50:25,316 --> 00:50:27,436
Speaker 1: an hour, and we had it for three hours, you

923
00:50:27,516 --> 00:50:31,556
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And drummer had his stuff up there,

924
00:50:31,676 --> 00:50:34,156
Speaker 1: and the guitar player had his hands and is he

925
00:50:35,316 --> 00:50:37,116
Speaker 1: is he's more like the Thunders guy. So he had

926
00:50:37,156 --> 00:50:40,756
Speaker 1: like it, you know, and actually got on to check

927
00:50:40,756 --> 00:50:44,156
Speaker 1: out the PA and I'm telling you, it was like,

928
00:50:44,516 --> 00:50:47,716
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening here? And he just kind

929
00:50:47,716 --> 00:50:50,156
Speaker 1: of did the scream and there was he has he

930
00:50:50,276 --> 00:50:52,716
Speaker 1: still has this thing where it's a double voice because

931
00:50:52,716 --> 00:50:55,396
Speaker 1: it's a low and high same time. But I was

932
00:50:55,516 --> 00:50:59,076
Speaker 1: just like, holy fuck. Now. The other two guys we

933
00:50:59,116 --> 00:51:01,716
Speaker 1: played some gigs as that band, and I'm just like,

934
00:51:02,996 --> 00:51:07,116
Speaker 1: he's amazing. That is he cool as fuck? You know,

935
00:51:07,676 --> 00:51:09,716
Speaker 1: other two guys. And so we booked a little punk

936
00:51:09,796 --> 00:51:12,596
Speaker 1: rock tour. I had all the punk rock clubs I played, right,

937
00:51:12,716 --> 00:51:14,436
Speaker 1: and you have the phone numbers and you go to

938
00:51:14,436 --> 00:51:17,676
Speaker 1: the phone boots and you book your little tour, and uh,

939
00:51:17,836 --> 00:51:19,596
Speaker 1: these other two guys were like, what do you mean,

940
00:51:19,596 --> 00:51:21,276
Speaker 1: why are we gonna? How are we gonna? Where are

941
00:51:21,316 --> 00:51:24,876
Speaker 1: we gonna stay? Is the unit? Actually? Like you know,

942
00:51:25,196 --> 00:51:27,276
Speaker 1: they knew about punk rock houses and stuff. You can

943
00:51:27,276 --> 00:51:29,996
Speaker 1: always find a pass crash even at the club. But

944
00:51:30,036 --> 00:51:32,556
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We have the gigs. We'll figure out

945
00:51:32,636 --> 00:51:34,676
Speaker 1: all the rest. And the other two guys you just

946
00:51:34,756 --> 00:51:39,196
Speaker 1: were like, we're not you know, what do you mean?

947
00:51:39,276 --> 00:51:43,716
Speaker 1: So that's when the Slash and Stephen came in and

948
00:51:44,196 --> 00:51:47,116
Speaker 1: the moment of five of center rooms like, oh here

949
00:51:47,156 --> 00:51:50,836
Speaker 1: it is, here it is. It was kind of amazing.

950
00:51:51,196 --> 00:51:54,836
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you went on that first tour and then

951
00:51:55,556 --> 00:51:58,676
Speaker 3: car breaks down. You end up in an onion field,

952
00:51:58,796 --> 00:52:01,476
Speaker 3: starving eating raw onions.

953
00:52:01,316 --> 00:52:03,556
Speaker 1: The Onion Fields, like and that book I think had

954
00:52:03,596 --> 00:52:05,916
Speaker 1: just come out a few years earlier, that booked the

955
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:08,556
Speaker 1: Onion Fields. You know about that, but the serial Killer

956
00:52:09,356 --> 00:52:11,796
Speaker 1: up in Bakersfield. Yeah, the books called I think there

957
00:52:11,876 --> 00:52:15,036
Speaker 1: was a movie too, The Onion Fields. Yeah, we're in

958
00:52:15,076 --> 00:52:18,756
Speaker 1: the onion fields man, Yeah, but imagine trying to hitchhike,

959
00:52:18,836 --> 00:52:22,156
Speaker 1: you know, five guys with the guitars like looking like us.

960
00:52:22,756 --> 00:52:22,956
Speaker 3: Yeah.

961
00:52:24,356 --> 00:52:26,796
Speaker 1: First yeah, you know we've opened up for the Fast

962
00:52:26,836 --> 00:52:30,116
Speaker 1: Facts and used their gear and we were we were awful.

963
00:52:30,516 --> 00:52:33,236
Speaker 1: There were three people there. But now, of course in

964
00:52:33,356 --> 00:52:35,996
Speaker 1: Seattle and lore like everybody says they were at their gig,

965
00:52:36,276 --> 00:52:39,676
Speaker 1: like that's impossible, you know that because the three people

966
00:52:39,676 --> 00:52:41,316
Speaker 1: are there, we're in the fastbacks.

967
00:52:42,796 --> 00:52:45,316
Speaker 3: Oh, I want to ask you. So you come from

968
00:52:45,356 --> 00:52:50,436
Speaker 3: a big family, you're youngest of eight kids. What was

969
00:52:50,436 --> 00:52:52,516
Speaker 3: your house like? Was it a loud house?

970
00:52:52,676 --> 00:52:54,356
Speaker 1: Like? I mean, but if you grow up in it,

971
00:52:54,396 --> 00:52:57,356
Speaker 1: you don't realize it is. But fuck it, you know,

972
00:52:57,636 --> 00:53:00,836
Speaker 1: I mean there's always something going on, and there was

973
00:53:00,956 --> 00:53:04,436
Speaker 1: instruments around, so, you know. The way I learned to

974
00:53:04,476 --> 00:53:07,996
Speaker 1: play was like my older brother would say, keep time,

975
00:53:08,756 --> 00:53:12,076
Speaker 1: you know, drums. You'd see somebody else do it, one

976
00:53:12,076 --> 00:53:13,956
Speaker 1: of the older kids. You wanted to be as cool

977
00:53:13,956 --> 00:53:17,196
Speaker 1: as them, so you luckily I had some you know,

978
00:53:17,636 --> 00:53:22,156
Speaker 1: musical ability, innately ready to go, you know, so I

979
00:53:22,196 --> 00:53:25,036
Speaker 1: was able to keep dying. And my brother showed me

980
00:53:25,076 --> 00:53:28,436
Speaker 1: three chords on on on the guitar, played these street

981
00:53:28,436 --> 00:53:30,276
Speaker 1: cordes on your feet, you know, first time you're playing,

982
00:53:30,276 --> 00:53:33,636
Speaker 1: your fingers are like hurting and bleeding and shipping like.

983
00:53:33,676 --> 00:53:35,996
Speaker 1: But you the older kids, you don't want to, you know.

984
00:53:36,796 --> 00:53:38,556
Speaker 1: And then he taught me, today is your birthday on

985
00:53:38,596 --> 00:53:41,596
Speaker 1: the base and we went and played a for some

986
00:53:41,636 --> 00:53:46,476
Speaker 1: school kids or something. But du you know, I learned

987
00:53:46,516 --> 00:53:49,236
Speaker 1: that and I played it and really that that's the

988
00:53:49,276 --> 00:53:52,756
Speaker 1: Blues major scale. So I really learned like the right

989
00:53:52,796 --> 00:53:56,916
Speaker 1: ship four or four time, you know, Blues major scale, G,

990
00:53:57,196 --> 00:53:59,876
Speaker 1: A and D chords on What more do you need

991
00:53:59,956 --> 00:54:03,836
Speaker 1: to know to this day? You know on Lighthouse, I

992
00:54:03,836 --> 00:54:07,716
Speaker 1: mean G, G, A, and D is featured pretty preparently

993
00:54:07,996 --> 00:54:10,596
Speaker 1: on in my songwriter. You know, you can do a

994
00:54:10,596 --> 00:54:13,236
Speaker 1: lot with those cards. But yeah, you know, and then

995
00:54:13,236 --> 00:54:18,276
Speaker 1: playing like I played team sports, played baseball, kids, played football,

996
00:54:18,636 --> 00:54:22,436
Speaker 1: played basketball, and I kind of I had some good

997
00:54:22,476 --> 00:54:25,316
Speaker 1: coaches when I was young, played for the city leagues.

998
00:54:25,396 --> 00:54:26,196
Speaker 3: You know that's cool.

999
00:54:26,316 --> 00:54:29,596
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the like I learned a lot about, like

1000
00:54:31,156 --> 00:54:34,876
Speaker 1: have played your part, like on a team, right, you know,

1001
00:54:35,196 --> 00:54:38,436
Speaker 1: you're a linebacker, you're lying, You're not the running back,

1002
00:54:38,476 --> 00:54:42,116
Speaker 1: you're not the safety. You're this is your domain. Be

1003
00:54:42,236 --> 00:54:43,396
Speaker 1: great at it. You know.

1004
00:54:43,796 --> 00:54:46,996
Speaker 3: Speaking of playing your part, have you ever been in

1005
00:54:47,036 --> 00:54:49,236
Speaker 3: a position or have you ever had the desire to

1006
00:54:49,436 --> 00:54:53,356
Speaker 3: want to be the front person when you are playing

1007
00:54:54,076 --> 00:54:57,556
Speaker 3: either like guitar or bass, Like, are you always happy

1008
00:54:57,596 --> 00:55:01,156
Speaker 3: being in that position or have you ever wanted more attention?

1009
00:55:01,436 --> 00:55:03,196
Speaker 1: I think it's because of the way I grew up,

1010
00:55:03,836 --> 00:55:06,716
Speaker 1: never got into music, like to get chicks to get

1011
00:55:06,716 --> 00:55:08,796
Speaker 1: the drug, you know, all the stuff they say. It

1012
00:55:08,836 --> 00:55:11,436
Speaker 1: was all about like I really wanted like that team.

1013
00:55:11,516 --> 00:55:14,876
Speaker 1: I wanted to find that great band where everybody played

1014
00:55:14,876 --> 00:55:18,876
Speaker 1: their part in it and like kind of was great

1015
00:55:18,916 --> 00:55:24,036
Speaker 1: at their place in the band. And that's always ever

1016
00:55:24,116 --> 00:55:27,516
Speaker 1: looking for it. Like doing my my own records, I

1017
00:55:27,556 --> 00:55:29,636
Speaker 1: love doing it. It's fun. It's fun being in the singer.

1018
00:55:29,676 --> 00:55:32,636
Speaker 1: It's more like my gigs are more like book readings,

1019
00:55:32,876 --> 00:55:36,196
Speaker 1: you know, kind of more like it's I'm telling the

1020
00:55:36,276 --> 00:55:38,956
Speaker 1: stories in my songs. I'm telling stories. I talk between

1021
00:55:38,956 --> 00:55:41,596
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. It's just more of like

1022
00:55:41,636 --> 00:55:44,956
Speaker 1: this other thing. And I'm not being I'm not trying

1023
00:55:44,956 --> 00:55:46,636
Speaker 1: to be anything. I'm not.

1024
00:55:47,116 --> 00:55:47,476
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
00:55:48,036 --> 00:55:51,836
Speaker 1: So no, I never I played with people in bands

1026
00:55:52,436 --> 00:55:56,716
Speaker 1: that wanted to be the singer and that that's a cancer.

1027
00:55:56,876 --> 00:56:00,916
Speaker 1: Like this's just like just percolating the whole time. It's

1028
00:56:00,956 --> 00:56:05,676
Speaker 1: like I never, you know, never had that. I love

1029
00:56:05,836 --> 00:56:08,276
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm a bass player, I mean that's

1030
00:56:08,356 --> 00:56:10,876
Speaker 1: what I do. I play, and I want to see

1031
00:56:10,916 --> 00:56:13,636
Speaker 1: the best backing vocals. I'm going to be the best

1032
00:56:13,676 --> 00:56:18,436
Speaker 1: background vocalist there is in my range, you know, So

1033
00:56:18,516 --> 00:56:20,476
Speaker 1: that's what I strive to do it. I love it,

1034
00:56:20,756 --> 00:56:22,556
Speaker 1: and I when I have a good gig, it's like

1035
00:56:23,636 --> 00:56:24,236
Speaker 1: fuck yeah.

1036
00:56:24,396 --> 00:56:27,916
Speaker 3: You know, since you've been in so many different bands,

1037
00:56:27,916 --> 00:56:31,876
Speaker 3: you've seen so many bands play, who, in your opinion,

1038
00:56:31,956 --> 00:56:34,596
Speaker 3: is the best lead singer of all time? Like checks

1039
00:56:34,636 --> 00:56:35,276
Speaker 3: every box.

1040
00:56:37,316 --> 00:56:40,596
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to put Axel just from what

1041
00:56:40,676 --> 00:56:44,396
Speaker 1: I've seen him do over all these years, what he

1042
00:56:44,636 --> 00:56:47,796
Speaker 1: does and how hard he works at it, his hour

1043
00:56:47,796 --> 00:56:50,036
Speaker 1: and a half warm ups, an hour and a half

1044
00:56:50,116 --> 00:56:54,116
Speaker 1: warm downs, and where he has to push and we

1045
00:56:54,236 --> 00:56:58,436
Speaker 1: play a lot of shows. You know, Yeah, he's a master.

1046
00:56:59,556 --> 00:57:03,156
Speaker 1: I've learned so much from him, seeing so much.

1047
00:57:03,956 --> 00:57:05,316
Speaker 3: What are some things that you've learned.

1048
00:57:06,876 --> 00:57:12,196
Speaker 1: She's really kind of dynamically, how hard to push, where

1049
00:57:12,236 --> 00:57:16,356
Speaker 1: to push from in your body? You know how to

1050
00:57:16,476 --> 00:57:20,516
Speaker 1: tilt when you need an extra vowel and really like

1051
00:57:20,636 --> 00:57:24,476
Speaker 1: particular shit next you need some more a in your vowel,

1052
00:57:24,716 --> 00:57:29,876
Speaker 1: you know how to tilt, you know, and just minutia

1053
00:57:30,596 --> 00:57:33,236
Speaker 1: of how to do it, because it's all minutia, you know,

1054
00:57:33,276 --> 00:57:36,236
Speaker 1: it's from note to note to note to note. So

1055
00:57:37,516 --> 00:57:40,476
Speaker 1: people I played with he's you know, I'm in a

1056
00:57:40,516 --> 00:57:43,516
Speaker 1: bad so of course I'm gonna like he's my guy.

1057
00:57:43,676 --> 00:57:47,236
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's just a master and just

1058
00:57:47,276 --> 00:57:51,956
Speaker 1: a fucking hard worker. I mean I've seen Robins Andrews amazing,

1059
00:57:52,356 --> 00:57:55,836
Speaker 1: you know, you see guys like that or Anne Wilson,

1060
00:57:56,076 --> 00:57:59,316
Speaker 1: come on, I don't know if you've seen her, Jesus

1061
00:57:59,516 --> 00:58:01,836
Speaker 1: Lord like, she has to hold the mic this far

1062
00:58:01,916 --> 00:58:05,916
Speaker 1: away from her, you know, just like okay, just pure,

1063
00:58:06,196 --> 00:58:11,116
Speaker 1: pure singer William and now and change like Jesus Christ like.

1064
00:58:11,916 --> 00:58:15,356
Speaker 1: But I also like, you know, Henry a black Flag,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I like the real people, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the real thing.

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Speaker 3: Do you find yourself now that you're getting older, that

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Speaker 3: you're listening to slower music? Could you listen to punk rock?

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Speaker 1: So we don't listen to a lot of punk like

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Speaker 1: we listen New Way Time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We have a couple of stations that we we have

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Speaker 1: like this, it's called tune In, and they play like

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, Gang four and Stranglers and

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Speaker 1: and Uranduran and all this stuff, so that I like

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Speaker 1: all the instrumentation and a lot of that stuff really

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Speaker 1: a unique instrumentation, and I'll listen to punk rock. I

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Speaker 1: mean it depends. I like, you know, some new band

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Speaker 1: I really like The Garden. They're not that new anymore.

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Speaker 1: But do you know that band The Garden. No?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah really they Twin Boys and uh, your

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00:59:07,396 --> 00:59:10,436
Speaker 1: dad was ready for X for Everything really really unique

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Speaker 1: and super cool and great live.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Who else? I always like to ask people what they're

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Speaker 3: listening to? Who else are you listening to? Or what

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Speaker 3: else are you loving? Doesn't have to be new?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can nepotism. I guess it's real.

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Speaker 1: But my daughter, Grace is fucking amazing, Like she keeps

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Speaker 1: coming up with another new song. Are we just talking to?

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Speaker 1: We had Dentity and I was Shooter Jennings, who did

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Speaker 1: my last record. He's like, man, we have to get

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Speaker 1: Grace out there somehow.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I agree, But I'm your dad, you know I can't

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Speaker 1: really and I'm in guns and Roses, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I can't. She never asked me for my house, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, come check out my

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Speaker 1: But she's rad. She's rad but young. She's turned us

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Speaker 1: on to like The Garden and Turnstiles, great young punk.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard of them.

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Speaker 1: They're from New Jersey or Baltimore, and they're they're really

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Speaker 1: they do it right?

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Speaker 3: Are you working on new music now? What's next after

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Speaker 3: you said you're going to go on tour?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have another eighty two songs.

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Speaker 3: Good. So the well is still flowing.

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Speaker 1: It's flowing, man, and I don't want to question it

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Speaker 1: whether you think the means is good or bad. I

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Speaker 1: have like songs, they're they're coming. I'm really proud of Lighthouse.

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Speaker 1: I'm really proud of those songs we chose for that record.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot more to choose from. We decided

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Speaker 1: to do this to tell me a little story of

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Speaker 1: like a beginning to end and the hope in the

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Speaker 1: middle and the you know, I just don't know it.

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Speaker 3: D En like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that song's very very powerful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, thanks for other questions.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for doing this. Yeah it was great,

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Speaker 3: Okay cool.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Duff mccagan for talking to us that Broken

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