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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast about things

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Speaker 3: falling apart and how to put it back together again.

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Speaker 3: This is an episode where both happen at the same time.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Bia Wong, and we are returning to

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Speaker 3: what I've realized was I think one of the earliest

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Speaker 3: things we ever covered on this show in the sort

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Speaker 3: of misty depths of time, which is I guess three

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Speaker 3: years ago now. We talked to some organizers and tenants

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Speaker 3: from the Hillside Villa Tenant Association, and a bunch of

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Speaker 3: stuffice happened since then. A lot of it is terrible,

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Speaker 3: some of it is cool. Well, the stuff, the stuff

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Speaker 3: you've been doing is cool. The stuff everyone else in

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Speaker 3: the situation has been doing is terrible. Yeah, and with

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Speaker 3: me to talk about this is Janice you who's an

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Speaker 3: organizer from CCUD and on a e tenant organizer at

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Speaker 3: Hillside Villa or via Jesus Christ. Why am I doing Villa? Oh,

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Speaker 3: I know I know more Spanish than this. I know

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Speaker 3: it of Spanish. When people think that I'm Spanish to

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Speaker 3: of communicate with them. Abject failure. Yeah, welcome both to

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. It's both good and bad to

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Speaker 4: be back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish, I wish circumstances were better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for having us, and yeah for staying

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Speaker 5: in contact with us and trying to stay updated with

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Speaker 5: our Hillside Villa. Danna said, Unfortunately, five almost six years

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Speaker 5: in and we're still trying to find a solution to

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Speaker 5: this epidemic of housing in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's start there. For people who don't remember

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Speaker 3: this from many, many eons in the past, can you

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Speaker 3: sort of remind people of what kind of organizing has

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Speaker 3: been happening and the general situation of this building, of

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Speaker 3: these landlords, and of the conditions of people who have

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Speaker 3: to rent stuff in La Yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Can kind of start with the bigger picture context and

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Speaker 6: then an I definitely fill in.

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Speaker 4: From your personal experience.

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Speaker 6: But basically, hills Ibea is a building that was built

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Speaker 6: in the eighties in Los Angeles, Chinatown and it was

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Speaker 6: meant to be affordable housing. It had an affordable housing

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Speaker 6: covenant for thirty years up until twenty eighteen, and as

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Speaker 6: soon as that expired, as would be expected, the landlord,

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Speaker 6: Tom Botts, immediately tried to raise rent to market rate,

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Speaker 6: which for the low income, working class tenants that work

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Speaker 6: at Hillside Villa, it was a two hundred percent increase,

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Speaker 6: right yeah, which is a de facto eviction, Like folks

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Speaker 6: soon as that happened, I think one of the tenants,

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Speaker 7: Thanks. I don't know how I could follow that, but

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Speaker 5: So, like Jennis was sharing, the convenant expired in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 5: there was already an attempt to evict my family, as

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Speaker 7: So after that is when we all started organizing.

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Speaker 5: And then shortly after the pandemic happened and everything shut down.

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Speaker 7: You know this this is our home. Los Angeles is

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Speaker 5: So with this eviction, it meant that we'd have to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had applied to e REP, which is

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Speaker 6: basically a rental relief program to support tenants, and what

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Speaker 6: the increased rent rates, the two hundred percent increased rates,

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Speaker 6: and the government fucking gave it to him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And yet he is still demanding that tenants themselves

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a situation where the landlord has

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all just like state sanctioned theft.

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Speaker 3: You know what else is a structural problem that is

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Speaker 3: causing the massive miseration of most of the population on Earth.

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Speaker 3: It is the products and services that support this podcast,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to go to them briefly.

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Speaker 8: We are back.

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Speaker 3: So is there anything else from sort of I guess

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think maybe some additional context we can share

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Speaker 6: Nieces in her campaign to get elected. This was November

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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty one. We hosted large forums in Chinatown.

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Speaker 6: seen her maybe two or three times. Sorry, And I

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Speaker 6: she made a lot of promises as politicians.

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Speaker 4: Do, around housing in Chinatown.

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Speaker 3: dear God, it's really I don't know, things somehow getting worse.

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Speaker 5: hillside villa or last resort would be expropriate through eminent domain,

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Speaker 5: although that was never something that the people in power

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Speaker 5: to evaluate. That actually halted the process of evaluating in

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Speaker 5: actually do something. Unfortunately, the chair of LAHD, her name

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Speaker 5: is Anne Seul. I'm sure a lot of people have

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Speaker 5: heard her name by now. She is not our friend.

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Speaker 5: She's wicked in like in not a cool way. She's

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Speaker 5: actually as like some conflict of interest in my opinion

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Speaker 7: Oh Jesus Christ, so it's a double lammy there.

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Speaker 6: So as he was doing that, he initiated the eviction process.

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Speaker 7: If it is ever.

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Speaker 3: Over, unfortunately we need to go to ads. Then we

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Speaker 8: Next part of this.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's talk about that and the deals that are

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So at the beginning of this year, we learned

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Speaker 4: And they are just obscene.

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Speaker 6: Basically, Tom Bots is being paid fifteen million dollars by

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Speaker 6: A test case to basically pressure tenants to sign the

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Speaker 6: And when we actually received the details of the new lease,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hardly socialists, hardly progressive, hardly even liberal at this point, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is ridiculous.

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Speaker 10: Like what.

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Speaker 6: So just completely normalizing the landlord, you know, maximizing his power,

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 3: And if this is something that you're okay with, you

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Speaker 3: And it's something that you're not okay with, you need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like again, like I know there are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking on that, I have a lot of feelings

443
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 5: around that, and as someone that has experienced a lot

444
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: of displacement in Echo Park and not happening in Chinatown.

445
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: It's something that's followed me my whole life and dealing

446
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 5: directly with the problem of like gentrification and the people

447
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 5: coming into our neighborhoods or mostly.

448
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 7: Like liberal folks.

449
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: I know a lot of them benefit from the displacement

450
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: and gentrification, and it's really easy for them to look

451
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: away or just kind of like show their shoulders and

452
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: just go have brunch at a new Eco Park or

453
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: Highland Park cafe.

454
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 7: So definitely thank you for calling that out.

455
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 5: And yeah, we really need to like think radically and

456
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: reimagine what it would look like to find a different

457
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 5: solution where we're not relying on these politicians or yeah,

458
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 5: the city to find those solutions, because it's evident that

459
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 5: six years into our fight at Hillside Villa.

460
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 7: It's been cyclical where we're.

461
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 5: Asking our council members to represent us, and again and

462
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 5: again they give us false promises and disappoint us, and

463
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: there's complete hypocrisy and backstabbing on behalf of the politicians.

464
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: And you know, all of these are tactics. With the

465
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: LAHD making us wait for so long, with tom Bots

466
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 5: working with them, I think that's a tactic, is making

467
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 5: the people the community wait for so long that they

468
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 5: get tired, They get tired of fighting, they get tired

469
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: of waiting, And unfortunately that has been a tactic that

470
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: I've seen, like has gotten to a lot of our

471
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: elder folks or people that are just fed up having

472
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 5: to deal with the bureaucracy of it all. That a

473
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: lot of them, kind of not everyone. For example me,

474
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: I'm still believe eminent domain could have been like a

475
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 5: more radical solution in a way for us to take

476
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 5: that power back from the city and the way that

477
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: they use these laws to benefit them that we could

478
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 5: use like eminent domain to help us for once. But

479
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 5: eminent domain was completely given up on on with like

480
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 5: certain tenants that we're tired of fighting and wanted to

481
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: reach an agreement and wanted to reach a deal. So

482
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 5: then we have this fifteen year deal that is then

483
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: turned into ten years because those five years that we

484
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 5: had been fighting is included into that fifteen years. Not

485
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 5: only that, but yeah, he gets fifteen million dollars plus

486
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 5: his debt to the city forget or extended. I forget

487
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: which one it is, but this full's a millionaire. Yeah,

488
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: he has a bunch of houses in Malibu he doesn't

489
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: need any more money, And it's just really disappointing that

490
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 5: at a time like this where we know that things

491
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: aren't working anymore and that things needs to change, that again,

492
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: the city and the politicians are continuing to side with

493
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: the landlords and continue the cyclical oppression of lack of

494
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: housing and lack of accessibility to housing that affected me

495
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 5: as a child, and that is going to affect the

496
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 5: children that are around me now and the teenagers and

497
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: the single parents. So that's why we need these better solutions.

498
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 5: And Yeah, like Jenna said, for the two or three

499
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: years that Eunice's has been around in office, we've only

500
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: seen her two or three times. She doesn't know what's

501
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: going on half the time. And she is actively supporting

502
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: shops here in Chinatown that are gentrifying the community. Not

503
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: only herself, but her office is actively trying to divide

504
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: our organization and our tenant association.

505
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

506
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: I think even during her initial meetings with us, she

507
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 6: would kind of use this line of I don't want

508
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 6: to hear from organizers, especially one of our most committed

509
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 6: organizers is a white male lawyer.

510
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: He's there with us every single week.

511
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: She would specifically scapego him and you know, say, oh,

512
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 6: I don't want to hear from a white lawyer.

513
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: I'm here to hear from the tenants.

514
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 6: And that dynamic actually like really got entrenched in our organizing,

515
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: where some tenants then began to weaponize that and sow division, and.

516
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: She continues to use that as a.

517
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 6: Talking point, Like we saw during the most recent protest

518
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 6: at her house, she continued to use both of these

519
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 6: tactics weaponizing identity politics, which was really ironic because as

520
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 6: she was saying that, you know, from one side of

521
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 6: her mouth, on the other side, she's receiving advice from

522
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 6: this white hipster musician that she appointed to her office

523
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 6: who's literally telling her every two minutes, like what is

524
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 6: actually on this contract because she clearly has not read.

525
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 6: So it was just really ironic to see that play

526
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 6: out in real time. She continued to say that she

527
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 6: only wants to hear from tenants, even though tenants are

528
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 6: saying the same exact things that the organizers are, but

529
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 6: she's infantilizing them right by saying, like, oh, you wouldn't

530
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 6: believe these things if these organizers weren't putting them into

531
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 6: your brains. No, these tenants very much have the ability

532
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 6: to make their own decisions and their own critical thinking,

533
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 6: and we're offering them information that they are then you know,

534
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 6: taking in themselves. And then ultimately, with the most recent protests,

535
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 6: she just completely gas lit us for demanding more than

536
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 6: she's giving. The whole vibe was basically like, why aren't

537
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 6: you guys grateful for the ten year extension. Why aren't

538
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 6: you grateful to me for finding two hundred and fifty

539
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 6: thousand dollars to help you repay your debt?

540
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 4: Maybe we're not grateful.

541
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 6: Because when that two hundred and fifty thousand dollars runs out,

542
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 6: tenants were on fixed incomes are immediately vulnerable to eviction,

543
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: and they're vulnerable to eviction even before that if they

544
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 6: even just blast their music too loud in the patio

545
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 6: based on this lease. So, yeah, we are very very

546
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 6: pissed off at CDU one right now.

547
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, people, people listen to the

548
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: show a lot, like you should all recognize these tactics

549
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: because these are all incredibly standard union busting tactics, like

550
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: the whole like dragging out the first contract negotiation, UH,

551
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: trying to do divide and conquer between the union and

552
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, doing the Oh these are outside organizers, like

553
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: the union's outside organizer. This is all just straight up

554
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: union busting one oh one stuff exactly.

555
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that word up, because

556
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 6: that's what we've been calling it the past year, exactly

557
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: like you said, third partying the union dragging out contract negotiations.

558
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 6: And the I think the sad thing is that tenant

559
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 6: organizing has a lot less protections than labor organizing or

560
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 6: a lot less you know, formalized law, so we don't

561
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 6: have things like the NLRB that can maybe give us

562
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: a little bit more teeth in fighting against unfairly por practices.

563
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 4: So that could probably be.

564
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 6: A whole other conversation, a comparison between tenant and labor organizing,

565
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 6: but so many parallels as well.

566
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: And then like also, she made so many promises and

567
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: sweet talked so many of us, and there's this like

568
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 5: respectability politics that a lot of even tenants became divided

569
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 5: within our movement because they put so much trust into

570
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 5: her office and into the in their hands, whereas other

571
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 5: tenants were still very critical and very hard on U

572
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: Niss anytime she was around, we really questioned them and

573
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: a lot of the tenants didn't like that, and they,

574
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: you know, demanded that we not question them and that

575
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 5: we behave in an educated manner. But look look at

576
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 5: what we have now. We have a contract that is

577
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 5: completely has sold all of us out and what for,

578
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 5: you know, for these promises and fooling the people into

579
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 5: believing her into trusting those promises or that she would

580
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 5: actually have our best interest. So here we are and

581
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: these are some of the things that we've also been

582
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: dealing with in the association.

583
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to quickly add on to the point

584
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: you were just making an I E. I think we've really.

585
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 6: Learned these past few years about the insidiousness of these

586
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 6: so called progressive electeds, right, who come from some kind

587
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 6: of left leaning background. Aganieces comes from Law Defensa, which

588
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: is a nonprofit that has organized for you know, certain

589
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 6: kinds of reforms within prison spaces, and so she would

590
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 6: constantly refer to herself as an organizer and weaponize that right,

591
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 6: like as an organizer, like I know what I'm doing

592
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 6: and you guys can trust me. Whereas with Sidillo, the

593
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 6: previous council member, the contradictions were just obvious, like we

594
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 6: knew this guy was bullshit, and you know, we would

595
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 6: just be openly fighting him all the time. But in

596
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 6: a lot of ways, us getting her elected I think

597
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 6: made our organizing harder because of the way that she would,

598
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 6: you know, call us her fam which should have been

599
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 6: a red flag from the beginning, right, that's also another word. Yeah, yeah,

600
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 6: call your co worker, here's your family. But yeah, I

601
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 6: think that's definitely been a huge lesson in the past

602
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 6: few years.

603
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's I think something is not very well

604
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: understood about the way that sort of campaigns are destroyed

605
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: is that like someone who is nominally on the same

606
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: side view is significantly more dangerous of an opponent than

607
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: someone who isn't right. And I mean, like you can

608
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: look at immediately after World War Two in Italy in

609
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen nineteen twenty, there's this thing called the Bennio Rosso.

610
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 9: This is the two Red years.

611
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: The two Red Years culminate in what becomes known as

612
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: the occupation of the factories. This is these mass sort

613
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: of workers' movements sort of cumulating from all of the

614
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: effects of the war and all of the sort of

615
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: repression that's been happening for centuries in Italy. And what

616
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: happens is instead of calling a conventional general strike, in

617
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: which you know, workers leave the factories and allow boss

618
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: to hold on to them, workers instead just seize control

619
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: and occupy the factories they work.

620
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 9: And this is why, you know, it's called the occupation

621
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 9: of the factories.

622
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: And in this period, right, these workers have the capitalists

623
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 3: on the ropes.

624
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 9: Right.

625
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: Without control of the factories, the bosses can't restart production

626
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: with scabs. And more importantly, it puts the workers in

627
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: the position to simply drive the bosses out entirely and

628
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: restart production under the control of the workers who work

629
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: in these places and who literally build the entire economic

630
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: system that these capitalists have been profiting from. And this

631
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: was the best chance and any country in Europe was

632
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: ever going to get to defeat the capitalists once and

633
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: for all. Right, this was this was the best they

634
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: were ever going to have it. But the worker's oldest allies,

635
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: these are the socialists and social democratic politicians in the

636
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: Socialist Party opposed the occupations. And these these Socialist Party politicians,

637
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: these are their friends, These are their comrades, these are

638
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: these are the people who lead their unions. I mean,

639
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: these are people who you know, a lot of these

640
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: people have spent thirty years organizing with these people just

641
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: to carve the workers movement out of sort of the

642
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: stone of history. These are the people, you know, who,

643
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: in a lot of cases like they had gone to

644
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: war with. So when the social democrats told them to

645
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: immobilize and told them to go home and told them to,

646
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: you know, just give the fact the factories back to

647
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: the capitalists and give up all of their leverage, the

648
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: workers listened, and once they've been totally demobilized, there was

649
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: no way for them to resist the fascists. Lussolini Marsha

650
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: on Rome the next year, and in the wake of

651
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: the socialists betrayal, the fascists would rule Italy for twenty

652
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: five years. You have to be incredibly weary of these

653
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: people who who take power from you know, like the

654
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: most personal example to be is we have this with

655
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Brandon Johnson, who was like a you know, the big

656
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: here that he was the mayor of Chicago, where I

657
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: I guess technically now I don't live there, but I

658
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: live there for ages. Who was you know, quote our

659
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: quote unquote movement mayor and then immediately started just fucking

660
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: putting migrants that had been like bust up in just

661
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Speaker 3: like these fucking horrible conditions in camps. People were dying,

662
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Speaker 3: people are getting fucking terrible diseases, like buildings with mold

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Speaker 3: in them, like stuff that was condemned, and like all

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Speaker 3: of this stuff happened, and you know, and it really

665
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: kind of in a very similar way. Because this was

666
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: you know, this was supposed to be one of us.

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Speaker 3: The resistance to it has been really inutered. And that's

668
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Speaker 3: a dynamic that you know, we haven't had as much

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Speaker 3: in the US because there hasn't been a left in

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Speaker 3: this country until really the last maybe decade, and that's

671
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: stretching it. And now, you know, we need to actually

672
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Speaker 3: get back to understanding how this kind of stuff works,

673
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: because more and more the people who are going to

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Speaker 3: be arresting you are people who you know, you used

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Speaker 3: people used to be organizing with people, people who you

676
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: used to know, and people who even when you put

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00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: a mic in front of their face, will claim to

678
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Speaker 3: be on your side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, those are some really great comparisons to draw to.

681
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Speaker 6: And yeah, I think we've definitely learned to be more

682
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Speaker 6: vigilant collectively.

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Speaker 4: It's here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is there anything else that you two want to

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Speaker 3: say before you wrap up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's really important to hold people accountable always.

687
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Speaker 5: As much as they don't want to be held accountable,

688
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: they still they probably won't, but they still have a

689
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Speaker 5: responsibility to the community. And yeah, I think we need

690
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 5: to do stick to direct action and less working alongside

691
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Speaker 5: of politicians because at the end of the day, the

692
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: same thing will happen again and again, will be sold

693
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Speaker 5: out and it'll be a big.

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Speaker 7: Waste of time.

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Speaker 5: So I think the collective power of community in doing

696
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: direct action always will be the solution. And that's something

697
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Speaker 5: that I've learned more recently and the way that things

698
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Speaker 5: have kind of unfolded with Hillside Villa. And lastly, I

699
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: know there are some key demands for CD one we

700
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Speaker 5: can share it too.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I think picking up on what you were saying,

702
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Speaker 6: an Ie, direct action has always been our bread and

703
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 6: butter to actually get meaningful results, and we're already seeing

704
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Speaker 6: it after this recent protest at a Unicis's house where

705
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 6: CD one, the city council district, is now completely changing

706
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Speaker 6: their tun and saying oh this this lease was just

707
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 6: a draft, like you don't have to feel pressured to

708
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Speaker 6: sign it. You can put together a counter proposal, and

709
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 6: that is completely not what they were saying at all

710
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 6: before the protest. They were really really pressuring us to

711
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 6: sign the lease, and even at the protest right a

712
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 6: niece is recommending that a family member would sign it.

713
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Speaker 6: So we're already seeing the results, and in our counterproposal,

714
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Speaker 6: we plan to really highlight a few demands. First and foremost,

715
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Speaker 6: that the rent debt is turned into consumer non evictible debt.

716
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Speaker 6: No behavior stipulations, those are bullshit, the eviction cases actually

717
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Speaker 6: get dismissed and not suspended in court for six years.

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Speaker 4: And finally, no.

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Speaker 6: Fifteen million for Bots until a fair deal is reached.

720
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Speaker 6: And that's a key point of leverage because CD one

721
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Speaker 6: is acting as the escrow of the fifteen million, meaning

722
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Speaker 6: that they're supposed to, Yeah, see if both parties, so

723
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Speaker 6: US and Bots quote unquote like fulfill what we're supposed

724
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Speaker 6: to with a deal before giving Bots the fifteen million.

725
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Speaker 4: And so they have so much power over this situation.

726
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Speaker 6: They keep throwing their hands up and saying they don't

727
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Speaker 6: have power, but they.

728
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Speaker 4: Can withhold the fifteen million from him until.

729
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Speaker 6: He actually responds to some of these demands. So that's

730
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Speaker 6: what we really want to highlight in this moment. And

731
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Speaker 6: for folks who you know, want to kind of stay

732
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Speaker 6: updated on the struggle.

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Speaker 4: Our handle on both Twitter and Instagram, I believe is

734
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Speaker 4: Hellside Underscore.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so feel free to check us out there and

736
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Speaker 6: stay updated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll put link to the description too. And

738
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Speaker 3: on that note, thank you to both so much for

739
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Speaker 3: coming on. And yeah, fuck them fuck did d you

740
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Speaker 3: say elected? Fuck the landlords? What the hell department? I

741
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: hope you hope you crushed the ball?

742
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, fuck them all.

743
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having us. And yeah, definitely

744
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 5: the city a lot needs to be dismantled and reimagined

745
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: and reconstructed, starting with housing and so much more. But

746
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Speaker 5: thank you again.

747
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I encourage everyone listening to the show. Give

748
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Speaker 3: him hell, who whoever them is in this scenario, give

749
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Speaker 3: him hell.

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Speaker 9: Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Andrew Siege at

751
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 9: the YouTube channel andrews and I'm excited to discuss yet

752
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 9: in the facet anarchus history from another part of the route.

753
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 9: This time would take a look at the history of

754
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 9: anarchism in Chile. In my discussion of Peruvian anarchistsyndicalism. I

755
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 9: mentioned the cross border contacts between Peruvian and Chilean syndicalists,

756
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 9: particularly of the IWW variety, So what else were they

757
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 9: doing in that time? Howid's syndicalism get started in Chile,

758
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 9: let's find out. All credit due to the work of

759
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 9: Larry Cambone's anarchism in Chile and especially Jose Antonio Quterres

760
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 9: Danton's eighteen seventy two to nineteen ninety five anarchism in

761
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 9: Chile without further ado nos comensimos. During the French Revolution

762
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 9: of eighteen forty eight that founded the French Second Republic,

763
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 9: which was part of the so called Springtime of the

764
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Speaker 9: People's where revolutions swept through Europe. Two notable figures of

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Speaker 9: Chilean and liberal revolutionary history happened to be at Paris

766
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Speaker 9: at the time, Santiago Arcos and Francisco Bilbao. Santiago Arcos

767
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 9: was a Chilean liberal who lived in exile in Paris

768
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Speaker 9: because of his father's involvement with the independence government. He

769
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 9: rubbed shoulders with French socialists and liberals alike, and also

770
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 9: met Francisco Bilbao upon his families whore two into Chile,

771
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 9: they tried and failed to start a bank due to

772
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 9: government pressure, so his father returned to Europe, but Arcos

773
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 9: stayed in Chile, and after his father died he got

774
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 9: a hefty inheritance and would go on to take part

775
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 9: in various struggles around Latin America. Arcos also famously wrote

776
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 9: Frontiers and Indians, a Question of Indians, and which he

777
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 9: advocated for killing off of the indigenous people because it

778
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 9: was cheaper than maintain the garrison to protect the settlers

779
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 9: from attacks. Bit of a record scratch movement, but unfortunately

780
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Speaker 9: typical of the time. Francisco Bilbao was another Chilean liberal

781
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 9: who lived in Paris. Prior to his migration, he published

782
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Speaker 9: a rather controversial article to Chilean sociability lass, Sociability Dad Chilena,

783
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 9: which was condemned by Chilean authorities as blasphemous and immoral

784
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Speaker 9: for its critique to the Church and state. After his condemnation,

785
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Speaker 9: he moved to Peru, where he was condemned for criticizing

786
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Speaker 9: the Peruvian president. So he left for Paris, and in

787
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Speaker 9: Paris he met Arcos, and upon their return to Chile,

788
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Speaker 9: together Arcos and Bilbau founded lassosier Dad de la igual Dad,

789
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Speaker 9: or the Equality Society, which was marginally influenced by mutualist thought.

790
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 9: You see, anarchism fungus came to Chile by way of

791
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Speaker 9: the mutualist strain. Unfortunately, it was quickly suppressed by the

792
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Speaker 9: conservative government, but not before the establishment of the country's

793
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Speaker 9: first mutual aid society of as many of one hundred artisans.

794
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Speaker 9: Those artisans would take part in the eighteen fifty one

795
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Speaker 9: Chilean Revolution against the Conservative government, which unfortunately didn't succeed.

796
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Speaker 9: After the feeling of the revolution, the conservative government began

797
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 9: a program of political persecution against the instigators of the uprisings,

798
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Speaker 9: which included arrests and deportations. Bilbao and Arcos were among

799
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Speaker 9: those exiled. Other mutual societies were forming the late eighteen

800
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Speaker 9: fifth as mutualism was caden influence among artisans like printmakers, shoemakers,

801
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 9: and tailors. In eighteen sixty two, the mutual aid Society

802
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 9: La Union was founded as a general mutual for all

803
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 9: artists of all trades in Santiago and offered both workshops

804
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Speaker 9: and medical services, and established a school for artisans and

805
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Speaker 9: their children. By the early eighteen sixties, there were some

806
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Speaker 9: seventy cooperatives, both consumer and producer. By eighteen seventy there

807
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 9: were thirteen neutrals, which saved alleviate misery. In spite of

808
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 9: economic depression. La Union branched out over a dozen cities,

809
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 9: and in addition to education, health and welfare, it formed

810
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Speaker 9: a philharmonic society. So why do you think these orcs

811
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 9: became influential. It's probably because they were practicing what they preached,

812
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 9: showing the proof of concert to their ideas through practical

813
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 9: application of the principles of libertymutuality, solidarity and self education.

814
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 9: In eighteen seventy two, the Chilean section the International Workingmen's

815
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 9: Association was established in Valparaiso, which is a major coastal

816
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 9: city in Chile. Eighteen seventy two was also the year

817
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 9: the anarchists were kicked out of the International, so the

818
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 9: Chilean section didn't last too long, but it did plant

819
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 9: a seed. Libertarian ideas were spread in particularly among the

820
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 9: nitrate miners. Keep that in mind for later. Then boom

821
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Speaker 9: eighteen seventy nine, Chile goes to war with Bolivia and

822
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 9: Peru and actually wins, which makes Bolivia landlocked. And that's

823
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Speaker 9: why it still land ocked to this day. The war

824
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Speaker 9: profited the Chilean and English nitrate mine bosses and the

825
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 9: Chilean state, but of course the workers themselves suffered. By

826
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Speaker 9: eighteen eighty there were thirty nine mutual aid societies responding

827
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Speaker 9: to those needs after the war. In eighteen eighty seven,

828
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Speaker 9: the Union Republicana del Pueblo or People's Republican Union, was

829
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Speaker 9: formed with an anarchist platform. Not long after, with a

830
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 9: series of strikes by rail workers, miners and others, the

831
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Speaker 9: workers launched the first national general strike in eighteen ninety

832
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Speaker 9: and it was brutally crushed and followed by further brutality

833
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Speaker 9: as in eighteen ninety one, the president Bamasada tried to

834
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Speaker 9: press through reforms against the wishes of both Congress and

835
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Speaker 9: foreign capital interests, which led to a civil war. The

836
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Speaker 9: workers suffered Semo Semo and Bamaceada was defeated and deposed

837
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Speaker 9: and then committed suicide. Truly revolutionary anarchism came to Chile

838
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Speaker 9: in the eighteen nineties through an anarchist immigrant from Spain

839
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Speaker 9: named Manuel Chinchilla. Chilean anarchist Carlos Rquera was influenced by Chinchilla,

840
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Speaker 9: and together they formed the Centro des Studio Socialists Center

841
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 9: for Social Studies in eighteen ninety two and published the

842
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 9: paper El O Primido The Oppressed. Another group of anarchists

843
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 9: from IL Centro Sociality, the Tarbahadores or Workers Social Center,

844
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Speaker 9: founded the journal L three to dil Pueblo the People's Scream.

845
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Speaker 9: Among the other societies and papers forming during this period

846
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Speaker 9: included societad the Protecti al Trabahador Imutuo Apoyo or Society

847
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 9: for Workers Protection and Mutual Aid, and Il Proletario the Proletaria.

848
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Speaker 9: In eighteen ninety four, the Chilean mutualists formed the Federacion

849
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Speaker 9: de Tabahadores Chile or Workers Confederation the FTCH, which was

850
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 9: the first national federation of workers in Chile and history.

851
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 9: It wasn't all that radical outside the context of conservative government,

852
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 9: that is, as it fought for social reform as well

853
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 9: as the usual activities of education and health insurance, but

854
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 9: it was influential. By nineteen twenty five it had more

855
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 9: than one hundred thousand members. In eighteen ninety eight, there

856
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 9: was a general strike in the coastal city of Ikike,

857
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 9: and new societies were formed like Partido Obrero Francisco Bilbao,

858
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 9: which became an anarchist group in eighteen ninety nine, and

859
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 9: resistant societies were also formed for railway workers and carpenters,

860
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 9: which should go on to play a major role in

861
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 9: Santiago General Strike of nineteen oh seven. Magazines, as always

862
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 9: were also founded, like La Tromba Irrebele and Latin Torture.

863
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 9: We also got to see the fust demonstrations against military

864
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Speaker 9: service and the army in Chilean history, under the slogan

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Speaker 9: the army is the academy of crime. From nineteen hundred

866
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 9: to nineteen ten, anarchists were the best organized of all

867
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Speaker 9: the radical groups, according to Larry Gombone, particularly in print making,

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Speaker 9: bacon shoemaking, and the docks. In nineteen hundred, there were

869
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Speaker 9: thirty resistant societies concentrated in central Chile among industrial workers.

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 9: The resistant societies were decentralized rotated positions, acted autonomously and

871
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 9: were active in strikes. By nineteen ten, there were four

872
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Speaker 9: hundred and thirty three resistant societies, the total membership of

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Speaker 9: fifty five thousand. The year nineteen hundred also marked the

874
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 9: establishment of man communales or brotherhoods within the mutualist movement,

875
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 9: which fused the mutual aid societies were trade unions. The

876
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 9: first Man Cuminale organized in Nikike Balloon into a movement

877
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 9: of six thousand members, which is the majority of the

878
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 9: nitrate and maritime workers in northern Jule. The Man Communale

879
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 9: movement favored direct action at a much greater level of

880
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 9: organization and solidarity than the resistance societies. The resistant societies

881
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 9: were local, Man communales spanned large territories, uniting different trades

882
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 9: on a city, then provincial, then national level. One of

883
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 9: the accomplishments of these movements was the crowing presence of workers' strikes,

884
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 9: empowered by solidarity. In nineteen oh two, harbor workers staged

885
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 9: a sixty day strike, and in nineteen oh three there

886
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 9: was a general strike in the port city of Alparaiso,

887
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 9: resulting in the murder of more than one hundred workers

888
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 9: by the state. That rebellion spread to the cities of Antofagasta,

889
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 9: Iota and Coronet and lasted for forty three days. When

890
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 9: the Man Communales federated in nineteen oh four as the

891
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 9: Grand man Coominal Dolberas, they brought together twenty one thousand members.

892
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 9: A year after their federation was the Red Week of

893
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 9: nineteen oh five. Tired of the inhuman conditions, the cost

894
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 9: of living, the high taxes, a workers committee known as

895
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 9: Centreo their Studios sociated dad at the Nao Obrero called

896
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 9: all workers to join the strike and to support the cause.

897
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 9: By October twenty second of nineteen oh five, thirty eight

898
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 9: thousand people had joined the uprising, including bushers, shoemakers, tanners,

899
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 9: cigar makers, truckmen, tapestry makers, typographers, telegraphers, blacksmiths, tinsmiths, bakers,

900
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 9: and railway workers. The mayor eighteen hundred police officers tried

901
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 9: to kill the energy on the streets, as did the

902
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 9: ruling class funded White Guard, but despite their massacre two

903
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 9: hundred and fifty workers, the movement continued to grow. By

904
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 9: nineteen oh six, workers were active in the Ferracio the

905
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 9: Tapadores de Chile or the FDCCH, and students had organized

906
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 9: the Feracio and their Studiantest de Chile or FECCH. Unfortunately,

907
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 9: the mancominale movement and almost died after the nineteen oh

908
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 9: seven depression and severe military repression, the worst instance of

909
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 9: which was the Santa Maria massacre. Of Ikike, where over

910
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 9: three thousand minitrate miners and their supporters were killed by

911
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 9: machine gun file after going on strike for better living

912
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 9: conditions than the company towns built around the mines. The

913
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 9: company towns were run by the mine owners, who owned

914
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 9: the workers' housing, owned the company's store, monopolized all commers,

915
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 9: employed a private police force, and paid workers in tokens

916
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 9: instead of money. The strikers was joined by their wives,

917
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 9: children and other workers in the city of Ahike and

918
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 9: had set up strike headquarters at the Santa Maria School.

919
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 9: They were given an hour to disband or be fired upon.

920
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 9: When they stood firm, a certain General silver Renard, known

921
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 9: as the Butcher of Ikike, gave US troops the order

922
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 9: to fire upon the strikers, their wives, and their children.

923
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 9: One eyewitness said quote on the central balcony stood thirty

924
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 9: or so men in the prime of their life, life

925
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 9: quite calm, beneath a great Layan flag, and surrounded by

926
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 9: the flags of other nations. They were the strike committee.

927
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 9: All eyes were fixed on them, just as all the

928
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 9: guns were directed at them. Standing they received the shots

929
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 9: as though struck by lightning. They fell, and the great

930
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 9: flags fluttered down over their bodies. There was a moment

931
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 9: of silence as the machine guns were lowered to aim

932
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 9: the school yard and the hall occupied by a compact

933
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 9: mass of people who spilled over into the main square.

934
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 9: There was a sound like thunder as they fired. Then

935
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 9: the gunfire ceased and the foot soldiers went into the

936
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 9: school by the side doors, firing as men and women

937
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 9: fled in all directions. End quote estimates vary, with conservative

938
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 9: estimates placing the death toll of over two thousand, while

939
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 9: Jose Touterres Danton's account reckons as many as three thousand,

940
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 9: six hundred. In any case, if all three thousand of

941
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 9: those miners were members of the Grand Man Comunale Delbreras,

942
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 9: that had mean roughly fifteen percent of the movement was

943
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 9: laughtered in one massacre, a significant tragedy for show. Following

944
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 9: the massacre, the movement formed the Feracion Obrera de Chile

945
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 9: or FOCCH, which aimed to pull together all the organizations

946
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 9: involved in the struggle, whether anarchists, Marxists or liberals. It

947
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 9: was co created by the Ones falter in Mancominalys and

948
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 9: grew in militancy until I had fully adopted anarchistiniclist principles.

949
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 9: Even the trade unions outside of the FOCCH were anarchist cynicalist,

950
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 9: but eventually the Synacalists and FOCICH would be overtaken by

951
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 9: the Marxists following the rise of the Soviet Union and

952
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 9: the deeper intentions between Anarchists and Marxists. Also in the

953
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 9: nineteen tens, the famous Chilean poet Pablo and the Ruder

954
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 9: was Robin Schoulers of the Anarchists, though he eventually became

955
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 9: a Communist of the Marxist fariety. Meanwhile, the student org

956
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 9: FCCH established a popular university to link workers and students

957
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 9: and develop popular education. In nineteen twelve, the Federacion Obrera

958
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 9: Regionale de Chile FOOR or FOT was formed, while nineteen

959
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 9: nineteen marked the launch of the Chilean IWW, which expanded

960
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 9: to nineteen cities and a ten thousand strong membership. All

961
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 9: the while the strikes continued. Nineteen nineteen marked yet another

962
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 9: general strike. The nitrate minds weren't as profitable as they

963
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 9: once were, creating more attention as workers were laid off.

964
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 9: The state was in debt and with domestic disarray, it

965
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 9: needed a distraction, so it tried to spark yet another

966
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 9: war with Peru. Thankfully, the war never happened when it

967
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 9: looked like it would be. It was roundly condemned by

968
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 9: the FECCH, as they should, but nineteen nineteen was also

969
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 9: the year that reactionaries broken too the fcch's headquarters and

970
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 9: burned down the building. While archiss workers were being jailed,

971
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 9: tortured and murdered all the way into the nineteen twenties. Still,

972
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 9: by nineteen twenty five, there were two hundred and fourteen

973
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 9: syndicates in Chile, posting the active participation of more than

974
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 9: two hundred thousand people, and it was the first year

975
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 9: where Chilean dedication of the IWW was able to participate

976
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 9: in an IWA Congress. Santiago had a wrench strike, and

977
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 9: yet still work of blood was being spilled and tortured,

978
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 9: and then a coup happened in nineteen twenty five. Carlos

979
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 9: Ibaniez took power and by nineteen twenty seven sort of

980
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 9: fully abolished the labor movement. Union offices were raided, anarchist

981
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 9: groups disbanded, and journals shut down. The labor movement persisted,

982
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 9: the ideas lived on, but the anarchists were hit particularly hard.

983
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 9: Next we'll find out what happens in the rest of

984
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 9: the twentieth century for the anarchist movement in Chile. We're

985
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 9: back talking about the history of anarchism in Chile. We

986
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 9: almost gave Das Sayer and arrest of the Sierra Bene.

987
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 9: Let's see what they get up to for the rest

988
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 9: of the twentieth century. In nineteen thirty, the indush tree

989
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 9: that Chile had been relying on for years, the one

990
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 9: that had caused so much strife for workers across the country,

991
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 9: had suffered a major blue. German scientists discovered a synthetic

992
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 9: nitrate there was far cheaper than the natural one. Nitrate

993
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 9: has used in both foot liizer production ammunitions manufactory. So

994
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 9: with the cheap alternative to the form found in the ground,

995
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 9: the meager livelihoods of thousands of workers was now under threat.

996
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 9: The mine owners may have had to reshuffle their finances

997
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 9: a bit to recover from the loss of the booming industry,

998
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 9: but it was the workers who dealt with the worst

999
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 9: of such a crisis. They faced famine, mass migration, and overcrowding,

1000
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 9: compounded by the existing economic pressures of the worldwide recession.

1001
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 9: The nineteen thirties. Crisis hit the population hard, but they

1002
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 9: kept strikeing regardless. The dictatorship of Colonel Carlos Ibanie's fell

1003
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 9: in nineteen thirty one due to all that popular unrest.

1004
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 9: Then things went from bad to worse. The center of

1005
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 9: workers struggled. The city of Santiago, the headquarters of the

1006
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 9: Ferracion Obrera de Chile or FOCCH, where organizations of all

1007
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 9: flavors had worked together, came under attack in April nineteen

1008
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 9: thirty four. The police and the White Guards, which were

1009
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 9: a group of capitalists funded meadheads, opened fire on the compound,

1010
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 9: killing seven workers and a child, while badly injuring around

1011
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 9: two hundred others. In June of that same year, nineteen

1012
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 9: thirty four, four hundred and seventy seven peasants were slain

1013
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 9: in Alto, Biobio, Rankiel and Lonqui May, all fairly small

1014
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 9: towns in the countryside of Chile. Two years later, in

1015
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 9: December nineteen thirty six, the Ferracion Obrera Regionale de Chile

1016
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 9: or FRCH or FORT and the Chilean IWW worked together

1017
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 9: to form the Conferracion General de Trabajadores or CGT. It

1018
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 9: was their anarchist alternatives, the communist and socialist founded Workers

1019
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 9: Confederation of Chile or CTCH, which they saw as more reformists. Together,

1020
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 9: they fought to achieve the eight hour workday, Sundays off,

1021
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 9: indemnity for accidents at work, monetary recognition for years of service,

1022
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 9: the right to retirement, and the right to an old

1023
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 9: age pension. Meanwhile, the Chilean Anarchist Federation or FACCH got

1024
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 9: active and sent some brigades to support their comrades in

1025
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 9: the Spanish Civil War. During the Civil war period, anarchism

1026
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 9: had another upswing of popularity in Chile, but since the

1027
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 9: reformist Union had legal and institutional back in, since the

1028
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 9: anarchists were being heavily repressed, and since there was some

1029
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 9: disorganization among them, the anarchists had started to lose their popularity.

1030
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 9: Anarchist cyndicalism had declined significantly going into the nineteen forties,

1031
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 9: while reformist cynicalism stayed strong under the control of the socialists,

1032
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 9: Communists and Christian Democrats. In nineteen forty six, eight workers

1033
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 9: were murdered and many more were seriously injured by the

1034
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 9: police dogs at Bulmes Square in Santiago. The persecution of

1035
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 9: workers and particularly anarchist workers continued into nineteen forty seven

1036
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 9: as Pisagua, a notorious and Tuoman camp once used to

1037
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 9: detain key folks from the Carlossi when he has dictatorship,

1038
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 9: was transformed into a concentration camp for socialists, communists, anarchists

1039
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 9: under President Gabrielle Gonzalez Fidela. The notorious Chilean dictator Augusto

1040
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 9: Pinochet had a stint run in the camp in that

1041
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 9: time as well, so, of course, fearing for their lives,

1042
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 9: anarchist organizations had to go underground. Even underground, they were

1043
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 9: able to accomplish some radical work. For example, the Luisa

1044
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 9: Michelle Cultural Center, renamed in the nineteen fifty three to Luisa

1045
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 9: Michelle Libertarian School, which sought to educate female workers and

1046
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 9: later children as well. It had at a time over

1047
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 9: seventy students. He was able to last for a decade

1048
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 9: up until nineteen fifty seven, despite authoritarian repression. In nineteen

1049
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 9: fifty the anarchist syneclist Ernesto mirandl brought together twelve federations

1050
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 9: and several syndicates into the Movimento Unitario Nacionaletraes or Month

1051
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 9: or Movement for Workers Unity. Prior to the Formation of

1052
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 9: the Month, Miranda got started in the workers movement at

1053
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 9: the age of twenty way back in nineteen thirty two.

1054
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 9: While working in the shoe industry, he fought the local

1055
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 9: Nazis and the police were taking part in various unions

1056
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 9: and unitary committees for in the formation of Month. Nineteen

1057
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 9: fifty three saw the formation of the Central Unitaria the

1058
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 9: Trebadores or CUT, Chile's United Labor Center. The initial aims

1059
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 9: and principles of CUT were drawn up by members of

1060
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 9: the Confederacio and General de Tabahadores or CGT, and anarchist

1061
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 9: syncalists filled the shoe worker, printer and maritime unions. In

1062
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 9: the CUTS Declaration, the workers proclaimed that the amountcipation of

1063
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 9: the workers is the work of the workers themselves and

1064
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 9: that quote the present capitalist system based on private ownership

1065
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 9: of land, instruments, and means of production, and exploitation of

1066
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 9: man by man, which divides society into antagonistic classes exploited

1067
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 9: and exploiters, must be replaced by a social economic system

1068
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 9: that abolishes private property until a class less society is reached.

1069
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 9: In which man and humanity are assured of their full development.

1070
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 9: The Central Workers Union will carry out a revindicative action

1071
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 9: within the principles and methods of the class struggle, maintaining

1072
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 9: its full independence from all governments and partisan political sectarianism. However,

1073
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 9: the Central Workers Union is not an apolitical union. On

1074
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 9: the contrary, representing the conjunctions of all sector of the

1075
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 9: work in masses, its humanimatory action will be derived above

1076
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 9: the political parties in order to maintain its organic cohesion.

1077
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 9: The trade union struggle is an interiral part of the

1078
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 9: general class movement, the proletaria and the exploited masses, and

1079
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 9: as such a connoty must not remain neutral in the

1080
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 9: social struggle and must assume its proper leadership rule. Consequently,

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Speaker 9: it declares that all trade unions organizations for the defense

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01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 9: of the interests and goals the workers within the capitalist system,

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 9: but at the same time the organizations of class struggle

1084
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 9: that points to the economic emouncipation of the workers as

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 9: their goal, that is, the socialist transformation of society, the

1086
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 9: abolition of classes and the organization of human life to

1087
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 9: the abolition of the oppressive state. Endcode. The cut tried

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 9: and failed to call a general strike in nineteen fifty five,

1089
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 9: partially because, unbeknownst to them, the communist and socialist groups

1090
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 9: within the CUT had reached their own agreement with the government.

1091
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 9: By nineteen fifty seven, the CUT were severely split. The

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 9: Anacho Synicalists abandoned it in protest of its involvement in

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 9: an electoral pact with the FRAP the Friende Amplio Popular,

1094
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 9: a left wing party during the lead up to the

1095
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 9: presidential election in nineteen fifty eight. The anarchist Synicalists rightfully

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 9: believed that the CUT getting involved with the political party

1097
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 9: would compromise working class independence. However, that act of protest

1098
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 9: would also diminish the influence of the anarchists and the

1099
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 9: union movement. Nineteen fifty seven also marked the rise of

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01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 9: Elmo Vimiento Libertario, Theie de de Julio or the Seventh

1101
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 9: of July libertarian movement, the Bratiada. The anarchists, Centrade unionists

1102
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 9: from Osorno, Temuco, Concepcion, Dinares and Talca were dispersed after

1103
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 9: leaving the CUT. It unfortunately dissolved a decade later as

1104
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 9: his participants got involved in other organizations. Ernesto Miranda, one

1105
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 9: of the co creators of Month, went on to create

1106
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 9: Committee the Defenser the Revolution Cubana, although by nineteen sixty

1107
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 9: the Anarchist Federation FAH was already warning of the Cuban

1108
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 9: Revolution's involvement with Russia. Miranda later went on to form

1109
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 9: the MIR the Movemento de Squierreta Revolutionaria the revolutionary left

1110
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 9: wing movement, in nineteen sixty five, alongside anarchist synclist Cultario

1111
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 9: Blest and Trotzkis Enriqueesepulveda. Cultario Blest had previously visited Cuba,

1112
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 9: which had impressed upon him the need for insurrectionary action.

1113
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 9: Upon his return to Chile, Blest formed the Third of

1114
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 9: November Movement M three END to promote revolution and unite

1115
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 9: the revolutionary life left against electoralism. Before the MIR was founded,

1116
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 9: there was the MFR, the Movement of Revenue Starying Forces

1117
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 9: in nineteen sixty one, which brought together non line anarchists, trusteists, maoists,

1118
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 9: socialists and communists in the trade union work. With the

1119
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 9: growing involvement of communist parties that eventually took over the

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01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,560
Speaker 9: anarchists were eventually sideline in the MR, and it was

1121
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 9: quickly known as a fully mL org. The MIR persists

1122
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 9: to this day. Another organization was also founded in this time,

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 9: the VP of Van Guardia Organizata del Pueblo, which rejected

1124
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 9: the authoritarianism of the MIR with an ideological blend of

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 9: anarchism and anti authoritarian Marxism. Both MIR and vop were

1126
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 9: doing their thing and would play struggles and getting their

1127
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 9: finance in through bank robberies, but this wouldn't last and

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01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 9: both groups should also faced repression and reaction from the authorities.

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 9: Then came nineteen seventy with the election of Popular Unity

1130
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 9: candidate of Salvador Allende to the presidency. Allende was considered

1131
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 9: a democratic socialist, the first Marxist democratically elected in Latin America.

1132
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 9: Allenda declared an amnesty for all political prisoners and even

1133
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 9: to con members of VOPI as part of his personal

1134
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 9: guard or Crupo de Amigo's personalities gap. By nineteen seventy one,

1135
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 9: they already warned the president that the right was plotting

1136
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 9: to overthrow the government, but the president didn't take them on,

1137
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,440
Speaker 9: so they took matters into their own hands and executed

1138
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 9: one of the key plotters in the coup plans for

1139
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 9: that they were punished. In nineteen seventy two, workers began

1140
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 9: to take over their workplaces as the US had imposed

1141
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 9: a trade and credit embargo in retaliation for the nationalization

1142
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 9: of US ow and copper minds. Neighborhood committees took goods

1143
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,919
Speaker 9: from the work of control factories and distributed them amongst

1144
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 9: the communities. The FDR or friend Dated Trabahadori's revolution Scenarios

1145
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 9: or Revolutionary Workers Front, played a major role in this process.

1146
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 9: Proven that workers were quite capable of running a factory

1147
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 9: by themselves, and their government and bosses were no longer necessary.

1148
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 9: But for all his alleged socialist credits, Allende couldn't believe

1149
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 9: this was possible, so he sent observers to give orders

1150
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 9: within the affected factories. Meanwhile, peasants were taken over land

1151
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 9: and organizing through the MCR or Moving Miento de Campesinos

1152
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 9: serv Scenarios or Revolutionary Peasants Movement. The government was feeling

1153
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 9: the pressure applied from without and within. By nineteen seventy three,

1154
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 9: Henry Kissinger and the other demons of the US did

1155
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 9: a test run coup, but the people barricaded the neighborhoods

1156
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 9: and factories from the police and army. Being the first

1157
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 9: elected president of Latin Miracle, Allende was patient zero for

1158
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 9: a pattern of interventions that would plague the region for

1159
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 9: years to come. After the three years of presidency and

1160
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 9: a second coup attempt, a Costo Pinochet took power in

1161
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 9: a US backed coup in nineteen seventy three. A few

1162
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 9: months after the first cop attempt, tanks rolled on the

1163
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 9: streets of Santiago. Thousands were tortured, raped and murdered. Anarchists

1164
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 9: were disappeared. Those that escaped death found themselves in concentration camps,

1165
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 9: many of which were ironically established on the remains of

1166
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 9: the old Nitride Mind villages. All political parties and trade

1167
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 9: unions were banned. Some courses at universities were closed down,

1168
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 9: denounced as the home of revolutionary sentiment. The secret police

1169
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 9: direction intell Hinteria National called folks in Fair. The executive

1170
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 9: would be thrown into the sea and Pinochet would go

1171
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 9: on to rule for nearly seventeen years. In nineteen seventy five,

1172
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 9: anarchists Cultario Blessed and Ernesto Miranda would activate a Committee

1173
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 9: of Defense of Human Rights, the Code which would become

1174
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 9: of vital importance for those persecuted by the dictatorship. They

1175
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,799
Speaker 9: would record the rights violations and rescue and help escape

1176
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 9: those being persecuted. In nineteen seventy seven and seventy eight,

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 9: the Kodas managed to organize the first event during the

1178
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 9: dictatorship to commemorate International Worker's Day, which helped to disrupt

1179
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 9: the fair people had of the dictatorship. Six years after

1180
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 9: the coups, heading into the eighties, despite the oppression, the

1181
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 9: anarchists were starting to reorganize. Alongside libertarian leading members of

1182
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 9: the former Popular Unity Coalition. They created the Umbrella group

1183
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 9: Socialist Ideas and Action PAS and took part in the

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 9: struggles against the dictatorship in the eighties. In nineteen eighty,

1185
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 9: syndicates affiliated with Norway's IWA was able to secure the

1186
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 9: freedom of europe members who had been in prisoned for

1187
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 9: nearly a decade, exchanging the m prison one for exile,

1188
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 9: while the Marxist mir managed to assas Saint the chief

1189
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 9: of Army intelligence from her Reverergara Campos and a few

1190
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 9: other significant military figures, as well as bombing US affiliated corporations.

1191
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 9: In nineteen eighty two, textile workers went on strike despite

1192
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 9: the risk of oppression, and they were joined by a

1193
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 9: solidarity strike by nineteen eighty three, when children and teachers

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 9: wouldn't attend school, people wouldn't buy anything, and workers would

1195
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 9: stay home. The police tried to disrupt the marches of

1196
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 9: the people. Two were killed as a result and one

1197
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 9: hundreds were arrested or wounded. But between nineteen eighty three

1198
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 9: and nineteen eighty four, mass protests became more frequent and

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01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 9: the people defended themselves against the police with molotovs, stones

1200
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 9: and barricades. While anarchists were involved in these struggles, anarchists

1201
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 9: ideas went to focus. The focus was on top leand

1202
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 9: the dictator. However, by nineteen eighty four you had a

1203
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 9: libertarian magazine called Lavois, the latter he is most circulating.

1204
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 9: In nineteen eighty seven, the anarchist black flags reappeared in Santiago.

1205
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 9: Concepcion and social centers were also established with an anarchist streak,

1206
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 9: such as a Center for Social Studies Elduende the ELF

1207
01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 9: and Santiago and the Collectiva Anarquista Libracion cal Conceptcion, both

1208
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 9: under the umbrella of the Taira. The Analyst in NiCl

1209
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 9: Social the Studio for Social Studies and Analysis, which was

1210
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,919
Speaker 9: created with the aim of Brighton and Space for the oppressed.

1211
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 9: A newspaper called Akrata Anarchist was published by Collectivo Anarchista Conceptcion,

1212
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 9: and the Bulletin Liberacion by the cal Accion Director was

1213
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 9: published by Anarchist Comrades in Santiago. For nineteen eighty nine,

1214
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 9: Pinochet had to accept defeat and stepped down. By nineteen ninety,

1215
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 9: liberal democracy had returned somewhat to Chile. In the nineties,

1216
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 9: several anarchist groups formed, disappeared, and regrouped, and several anarchists

1217
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 9: publications were printed and spread. The ID the Anarchist inter Cities,

1218
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 9: Federation Veracio and Alarquista Interciodana, the cham Or Jubetures and

1219
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 9: Time Militaristas the Mallow, the Movement Too Anarchistas, Luis Cole,

1220
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 9: the FAI Conceptcion, Collectivo Cultural Libertario, Bnartesta, Conceptsion, Read Anarchista,

1221
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 9: and various other groups in Viallemana, Osorno, Tinuco, Concepcion, Paparaiso Santiago,

1222
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 9: et cetera. Jose Antoniogo terrest Anton, the author of one

1223
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 9: of the historical accounts I referenced took part in several

1224
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 9: of these orcs as well as their own collective Arboronegro

1225
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 9: returned to delegations the IWA Congress in Spain in December

1226
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 9: of nineteen ninety four and took over the work of

1227
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 9: the IWW in Chile. As of the twenty first century,

1228
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 9: several collectives and individuals are disseminated in anarchist ideas and practices.

1229
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 9: Anarchist book fairs have been hosted in Santiago, and the

1230
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 9: Anarchist Federation Santiago has been working in organizing an anarchist platform.

1231
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 9: Anarchists inspired or adjacent movements have lit the streets against

1232
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 9: the government, protest formations, review central authorities, and indigenous Mapuche

1233
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 9: activists carry on their deco nil struggle against the state

1234
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 9: by various means, sometimes bordering on an arcchic and the

1235
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 9: mapuch struggle in Chile, by the way, is a fascinating

1236
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 9: story that really deserves its own episodes, which I hope

1237
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 9: to explore in the future. Anarchist activists have also continued

1238
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 9: to be killed by the police or other reactionaries following

1239
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 9: the return of democracy, such as Claudia Lopez ben Aches

1240
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 9: in nineteen ninety eight and Honey Carrikeo Yanez and Juan

1241
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 9: Cruz Magna in two thousand and eight. Chilean anarchists have

1242
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 9: also allegedly been set in bombs around the country meant

1243
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 9: to cause damage to law enforcement, security forces, banks, and

1244
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 9: transnational corporations property, but also caused an occasional injury or

1245
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 9: death to people. Cambone also writes the mutual aid societies

1246
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 9: still function and in a society where the welfare state

1247
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 9: is practically non existent, mutual aid plays a much greater

1248
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 9: role than elsewhere. Cooperatives both agricultural and consumer are found

1249
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 9: in Chile, although you don't have the same level of

1250
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 9: economic influence that similar movements have in Western Europe or Canada.

1251
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 9: And there are other libertarian oriented developments as well. Between

1252
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 9: Christians and ex Marxistanists who rejected the Van Guard Party

1253
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 9: formed local based committees working in progracis. They function as

1254
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 9: mutual aid societies and centers to organize local issues. I

1255
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 9: hope that the people of Chile, like everywhere else, can

1256
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 9: find true freedom after overst century of anarchist struggle. I

1257
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 9: hope they can find revolutionary success. Until that day, this

1258
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 9: has been andrew sage of Andrewism. It could happen here

1259
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 9: given the historical context of anarchism in Chile. Where am

1260
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 9: I to go next? Hopefully far? All power to all

1261
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 9: the people of peace?

1262
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 11: Hi, Hi, everyone to it could happen here. It's me

1263
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 11: James today and I'm joined by Sharen and also Almato,

1264
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 11: who was a volunteer. Was father a non violent protective

1265
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 11: presence volunteer in Palestine.

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 8: How are you doing today?

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 12: I'm good?

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01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 10: Thank you, Yeah, thanks so much for being here.

1269
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, we appreciate it. So we met through a

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01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 11: mutual friend who is also a volunteer with you. And

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 11: the reason that that frame contacted me was that unfortunately

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01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 11: the IDF shot you. And that's obviously a pretty shitty situation.

1273
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 11: And would you be okay with just beginning by recounting

1274
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 11: the incident. I don't know if that's something you're okay

1275
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 11: going back to, just because I think the fucking wantonness

1276
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 11: of the violence is so stark that I think it

1277
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 11: might help people to hear it.

1278
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 13: So I volunteered with FAZA and we go to a

1280
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 13: demonstration in Beta every Friday. The aim is to go

1281
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 13: back to their land was stolen from them. I think

1282
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 13: there's a settlement called Avatar Avtar on the Palestinian land

1283
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 13: and their aim is just to go back to it

1284
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 13: and plant the Palatini your flag. So we get there

1285
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 13: and they're doing Juma prayer and then after Duma prayer

1286
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 13: is when they start chanting, so like not even it

1287
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 13: was like between five to ten minutes when they started

1288
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 13: shooting tear gas at us. You're in the prey after

1289
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 13: the prayer, after the prayer, yeah, So the prayer went

1290
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 13: without an incident, and then afterwards was when they shot

1291
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 13: tear gas at us, multiple tear gas canisters, and then

1292
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 13: once they started firing live rounds. We hid behind a

1293
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 13: concrete wall. Tear gas still being shot at us, and

1294
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 13: then live rounds as well. You could see the dust

1295
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 13: coming off of the concrete walls as they shot. And

1296
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 13: then once it seemed like they were coming down from

1297
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 13: the tower, I think Palestines were running because they thought

1298
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 13: they were coming, so we ran and we went over

1299
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 13: a concrete wall. We ran for I don't even know

1300
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 13: how long, but once we got to a clearing and

1301
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 13: they thought it was safe, we regrouped with everyone. So

1302
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 13: the road going up to where we were there were

1303
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 13: Palestinians still running down. There's palestinian is running to the right,

1304
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 13: and we just waited maybe thirty seconds, and then someone

1305
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 13: told us to go, so we ran with them, and

1306
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 13: then we got to rest for like five minutes, had

1307
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 13: a quick smoke coffee, some people had teeth. But then

1308
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 13: some Palestines were moving towards the street to our right,

1309
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 13: so we followed them, a couple of us and some

1310
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 13: of them stayed. And as we were approaching there, this

1311
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 13: was the road that went straight up to the watchtower.

1312
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 13: We saw them on before, so there was still some

1313
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 13: tear guys shot at us and some live rounds as well,

1314
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 13: but we saw them actually coming down from the tower

1315
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 13: this time, and before you know they even drove down,

1316
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 13: there was Palestines to our left that were running. So

1317
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 13: whenever we see them running, we know that it's a

1318
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 13: threat they think may be fatal, so we're running. We

1319
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 13: actually could run to the Alli grows behind us. And

1320
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 13: as we were running, just making sure all my comrades

1321
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 13: were good, I hear a loud bang and then I

1322
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 13: feel a pain in my leg. I thought it was

1323
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 13: like a tear gas canister that hit my leg because

1324
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 13: it just felt like a blunt force, but I've never

1325
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 13: felt that pain before, and one of my comrades were

1326
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 13: helping me up while I was still running and limping.

1327
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 13: And then finally once we got to a clearing, that's

1328
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 13: when all the palestins ran to me and carried me

1329
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 13: away to the pickup truck, which then went to the

1330
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 13: health clinic or the emergency clinic in Beta.

1331
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 12: After that, the army.

1332
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 13: Trucks blocked our away while I was in the ambulance

1333
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 13: when I was transferred, and then there's two checkpoints afterwards,

1334
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 13: and the two checkpoints they demanded to see who was inside,

1335
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 13: which delayed my care further. And then finally getting to

1336
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 13: Rafitia Hospital, Jesus swept fucking hell.

1337
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 10: Classic of them to block the ambulance for so many times.

1338
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 11: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm really glad that it

1339
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 11: wasn't like an arteriobled or something when that time would

1340
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 11: have been a life and death.

1341
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, those minutes, right, it's a really good point.

1342
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1343
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 13: I was smiling because I was like, I don't know

1344
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 13: what just happened to me, but I'm hope, I hope

1345
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 13: I'm okay, And also I know I'm here for Palestine,

1346
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 13: so you know, yeah, I kept smiling, but I didn't

1347
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 13: know what was happening. And thankfully it was no artery

1348
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 13: or bone, so I was very late.

1349
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, and do you know what right for your show with?

1350
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 11: Because I know they sometimes used like smaller calibers for

1351
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 11: crowd control.

1352
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1353
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 12: From what I heard was sixteen American name.

1354
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1355
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 8: So yeah, they're just really game for it. Un believable.

1356
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 8: I'm glad you're okay.

1357
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 11: I like, just we spoke about this before, but just

1358
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 11: so listeners, like, you're healing up, you feel like you're

1359
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 11: on the path to at least physical recovery.

1360
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, Like, uh, So I got shot and one

1361
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 13: week later I went from wheelchair, the crutches, the cane.

1362
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 13: I'm still in the cane, but I can move around

1363
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 13: pretty well like indoors. Like when I'm outside. I have

1364
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 13: to use the cane because my leg buckles and the

1365
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 13: hole in the front bagsit wound is still healing. It's

1366
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 13: not fully closed yet, but a lot better.

1367
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 10: Did the bullet go straight through?

1368
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 13: Yeah, I went straight through, no fragments. I believe they

1369
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 13: had to do surgery to stitch me up, but also

1370
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 13: to take the dead tissue out and I think they

1371
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 13: had to put together some muscles as well.

1372
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jesus.

1373
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 11: So, like I want to talk about a couple of

1374
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 11: things regarding this. First of all, I think like a

1375
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 11: uusit in Yeah. Yeah, so like a foreign military shot

1376
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 11: at US citizen right as you're a no senator representative.

1377
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 11: Any of these people who are supposed to give a

1378
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 11: single fuck about this like reached out to you.

1379
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,919
Speaker 12: Now, so it was just the embassy.

1380
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 13: The embassy didn't contact us, maybe the same day I

1381
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 13: was shot just a little bit later, but no representatives

1382
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 13: here in the United States have reached out to me.

1383
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's pretty reprehensible. Yeah, do you want to give

1384
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 11: people a representive? Who those might be? I don't want

1385
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 11: to like dox you and where you live, but.

1386
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 12: I'm in Jersey City.

1387
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 13: There is a vacancy actually for one of the representatives,

1388
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 13: so that is one reason why. But the other ones, yeah,

1389
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 13: Jersey senators, local politicians, nobody has reached out.

1390
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, nobody's reached out.

1391
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think, like we said this again before,

1392
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 11: but like it's not that your leg is more important

1393
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 11: than someone's child's life in Gaza, right, Like that's I

1394
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 11: don't want to imply that for a second, but like, yeah,

1395
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 11: you know, the assist of states as it is today

1396
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 11: works in a certain way, and in theory, those people

1397
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 11: should care about you. And like, I think it really

1398
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 11: gets us to something else I wanted to talk about,

1399
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 11: which is that like the existence of Palestine, like as

1400
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 11: as it is today and as it wishes to be

1401
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 11: in the future, much like you know other places I've

1402
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 11: worked in Kurdistan, in the liberated parts of Myanmar, is

1403
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 11: a threat to the system of states and governments as

1404
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 11: it exists today. And like, at some point you decided

1405
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 11: that the government and right into your senator or whatever

1406
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 11: tweeting people do wasn't enough or wasn't going to work,

1407
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 11: and you decided that, like you wanted to put your

1408
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 11: body in between the people trying to kill the people

1409
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 11: and then people trying to survive. So can you talk

1410
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,919
Speaker 11: us through that journey? Like have you always been invested

1411
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 11: in in the Palestinian cause?

1412
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 8: Is it something that you became aware of at some point?

1413
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1414
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 13: So I'm part of the Philippine Movement on a Bayon

1415
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 13: part of Bayon and the National Democratic Movement in the Philippines,

1416
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 13: So through them I was in contact and collaboration with Palestinians,

1417
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 13: and that's when I started to understand Palestinian struggle. And

1418
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 13: actually I was at the protest in New York recently,

1419
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 13: and it came full circle because Nerdane within our lifetime,

1420
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 13: stated that she actually started it because of the National

1421
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 13: Democratic Movement and our work together and our studies. So

1422
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 13: because I also saw Palestinian standing for the liberation of

1423
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 13: the Philippines, we always had that connection or I had

1424
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 13: that connection with Palestinians, and it grew over time, and

1425
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 13: the escalation of October seventh really had me just disregulated

1426
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 13: because I'm a teacher in Jersey and for the first

1427
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 13: few months it was so hard for me to It

1428
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 13: was like I was just going on autopilot because how

1429
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 13: could we, you know, just go on with our daily

1430
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 13: lives seeing this these atrocities happening every day.

1431
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 12: And once it was the end of the year, it

1432
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 12: was hot.

1433
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 13: A smoking cigarette, I put my CAFA on the gate

1434
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 13: outside of our school and then I came out because

1435
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 13: I had to bring the snacks in for my students

1436
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 13: for the last week of school and it was gone,

1437
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 13: so I had to buy another one, and when I did,

1438
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 13: it came with a really beautiful handwritten postcard from Palestine

1439
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 13: and it was just talking about thank you for supporting

1440
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 13: us through these difficult times. And then it's had invitation

1441
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 13: to visit. So that was what prompted me to like

1442
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 13: research and ask other friends in the movement, and then

1443
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 13: they told me about FASA, and then I took the

1444
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 13: orientation and training and I went over during my summer break.

1445
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, great, to ease your summer, We'll just stop for

1446
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 11: some advertisements here and then come back.

1447
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 8: We are back.

1448
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 11: Unfortunately you've had toism to some advert so hopefully you've

1449
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 11: skipped them. So I wanted to ask about like that journey,

1450
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 11: the journey to Palestine. Now, I imagine it's very difficult,

1451
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 11: and like how did it feel. I guess like this

1452
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 11: is a cause you've been invested in for some time, right,

1453
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 11: and then you've seen these horrific things, and then suddenly

1454
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 11: you're on the ground, like was to be in solidarity

1455
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 11: with people like I know my experience at the border

1456
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 11: has been that, Like, I would much rather be like

1457
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 11: in it, even if it's terrible, than at home seeing

1458
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 11: pictures of it.

1459
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 8: I wonder how it was for you.

1460
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 13: Yeah, for me, I've always just wanted to visit Palestine,

1461
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 13: and I want to be in solidarity with the Palestinian people.

1462
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 13: As a Filipino American, I've seen Palestine's there the support

1463
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 13: of Filipinos. I've been there in the streets with them,

1464
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 13: you know, when they supported Americans, the black Americans, you know,

1465
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 13: against police brutality. So it just felt like a duty

1466
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 13: as an organizer, as a revolutionary to you know, show

1467
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 13: the same solidarity back, as well as knowing that I'll

1468
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 13: be in a beautiful place with beautiful people under horrible circumstances.

1469
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish more people.

1470
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 11: And it's not just Palestine, right, we have these revolutions

1471
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 11: that we talk about in these causes that we talk about,

1472
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 11: like and I understand it's not always easy. People have

1473
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 11: commitments financial and interpersonal, and but like, if you can go,

1474
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 11: you should go.

1475
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1476
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 11: Do you feel like your solidarity grew because you experienced

1477
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 11: solidarity in return? Right, like somebody ran towards gunfire to

1478
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 11: pick you up at some point? Do you feel like

1479
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 11: a more profound sense of solidarity after that experience, having

1480
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 11: also experienced like setle colonial violence.

1481
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 12: I guess absolutely.

1482
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 13: It's like you know, before I'm talking about it, we

1483
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 13: talk about in circles, and I did have the privilege

1484
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 13: to be able to go. You know, you're not a

1485
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 13: lot of people have the financial ability, mental ability, physical capabilities.

1486
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 13: So I'm lucky on that end as well. But if

1487
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 13: one is willing and able in all those different aspects,

1488
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 13: they should go if they can, especially during all of

1489
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 13: the harvest right now, which is an escalation of settler

1490
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 13: violence that we've seen recently, and even the Israeli army.

1491
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,799
Speaker 12: So I get updates from.

1492
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 13: Kuspa right now and I just see everything that's happening still,

1493
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 13: and I know all of harvest is a huge economic

1494
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 13: thing for the Palestinians. So yeah, it'd be great for

1495
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 13: anyone that's able to go.

1496
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, leading up to you getting shot and maybe after,

1497
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 10: can you describe maybe what the environment was like like

1498
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 10: on the ground, how people were living your experiences with

1499
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 10: the idea of me before that, Like, can you just

1500
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 10: walk us through what that was like on the ground.

1501
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1502
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 13: So my first day there, I was in and we

1503
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 13: were just getting the money that we need. We got

1504
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 13: some groceries I believe I had. I only had like

1505
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 13: two pairs of clothes I packed leg and then we

1506
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 13: had dinner with the Palestinia. Family, very beautiful collective dinner

1507
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 13: and when you have lunch or dinner there, you know,

1508
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 13: it's not like a quick thirty minutes and you're gone.

1509
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 13: You're there for like three hours. Even if we have

1510
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 13: different language barriers. It's just very beautiful culture and people.

1511
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 13: And then I get shot the second day.

1512
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 14: The second day good, yeah, yeah, so second full day,

1513
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 14: and so I think I was the first person shot

1514
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 14: at a demonstration there.

1515
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 13: So people were ready for I guess the usual tear

1516
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 13: gas and live rounds, but I don't think anyone is

1517
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 13: expecting anyone to get shot that day, including me. But yeah,

1518
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 13: so I was healing in the hospital, I heard the

1519
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 13: Israeli army came into Kusra, and you know, we had

1520
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 13: the amount of people we had on the ground, and

1521
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 13: one person had to kind of stay around me. So

1522
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 13: I was scared and feared for my people over there.

1523
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 13: And then another day goes by, the next day after that,

1524
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 13: I'm back in town, and then there was reports of

1525
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 13: a seller that was killed, and then we heard that

1526
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 13: all the settlements there was a call to attack Cusra.

1527
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,799
Speaker 13: So right when I get back, we're already on Hylert.

1528
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 13: We're watching making sure nothing was happening. Thankfully, nothing did

1529
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 13: to happen that day, but then, yeah, it happens like

1530
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 13: every other day where either the Israeli army comes in

1531
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 13: or settler's attack in Kusra. We also try to open

1532
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 13: the gate between the town, because the Israeli Army put

1533
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 13: a gate between the town so people can't travel with

1534
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 13: you know, within the town, and we tried opening it,

1535
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 13: but they have the key, and a peaceful demonstration turned

1536
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:07,879
Speaker 13: into the IDF or the IOF coming with like twelve

1537
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 13: soldiers intimidating folks, loading up some kind of automatic weapon

1538
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 13: pointing tear gas. At a few days after that, they

1539
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 13: came into town at night shot up the town. A

1540
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 13: few days after that, Israeli army was guarding settlers really

1541
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 13: close to town, were actually in town.

1542
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 12: And then a couple.

1543
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 13: Of days after that too, I think one of the

1544
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 13: last days I was there, they raided the town. They

1545
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:46,879
Speaker 13: shot like twelve tear gas canisters like two to three,

1546
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 13: like flash bangs, and then like three live rounds and

1547
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 13: they shot a boy in the back. Thankfully he's also okay.

1548
01:36:55,240 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 13: And then after I left, settlers attacked international volunteers, US

1549
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 13: citizens as well with rocks and Dioeft shot like five

1550
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 13: other Palestinians as well.

1551
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 12: So it's just continual violence. You know. What I faced

1552
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 12: that one day is what they face every day.

1553
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like they go and get to

1554
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 11: go home like it it's at home. Can you explain

1555
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 11: for people who aren't familiar, right? I think a lot

1556
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 11: of people have come into solidarity with Palestine in the

1557
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 11: last eleven months, which is fine. You don't have to

1558
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 11: know like textbooks of history to be like genocide is bad.

1559
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1560
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 11: So, like you're in the West Bank, right, can you

1561
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 11: explain where that lies in relation to Gaza and what

1562
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 11: is happening in the West Bank, especially right now in

1563
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 11: the last few days and weeks. That is extremely concerning

1564
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 11: and I don't know how to fred it like terrible.

1565
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1566
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 13: So the decimation of Gaza on Israel's end is a

1567
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 13: response to October seventh escalation, even though October seventh was

1568
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 13: a response to, however, many decades of oppression that they've faced.

1569
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 13: So Gaza is being decimated, but Israel wants more land,

1570
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 13: the greater Israel that they've been advertising. Settlers want to

1571
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 13: move into Gaza. Settlers want to continue to move into

1572
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 13: West Bank, the West Bank. Also from reports, Israel gave

1573
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 13: authority or something of being able to get more land,

1574
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 13: which is Palestinian land. So what kind of authority do

1575
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 13: they have over that all the legal settlements, But they're

1576
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 13: trying to just take all the land that they can get,

1577
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 13: whether it's in Gaza, whether it's in West Bank. So

1578
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 13: they're obviously connected because it is Palestine. But now they're

1579
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 13: just going into the West Bank because there's further resistance

1580
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 13: now as well, and there has always been just a

1581
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 13: lot more quiet than Gaza at the moment because I

1582
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,799
Speaker 13: guess of the government that's over them in Palestinian authority.

1583
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,560
Speaker 13: But yeah, it's all connected and they want to just

1584
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 13: squash any kind of resistance there is, whether it's in

1585
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 13: the West Bank and Gaza, as well as just trying

1586
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 13: to take as much land as possible before international intervention happens,

1587
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 13: which we haven't seen because the US continues to supply

1588
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 13: weapons and arms to Israel.

1589
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, apparently what happened to you isn't going to stop

1590
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 11: that like nothing else is, I know, what is just

1591
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 11: for people who aren't familiar, the West Banks are much

1592
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 11: larger geographical area.

1593
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 8: Bank refers to the Jordan River.

1594
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 9: Right.

1595
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 11: Setl colonialism is a term that people are familiar with, right, like,

1596
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 11: and it happens, it's not. I'm not saying it doesn't

1597
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 11: happen in America because it still happens every day. Like there,

1598
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 11: It's a process that we continue to create. It's not

1599
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 11: one that stops in nineteenth century, right. I don't want

1600
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 11: imply that, but like where you were is the bleeding

1601
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 11: edge of Setla colonialism.

1602
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 8: Right.

1603
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 11: It's a family being kicked out of their house. It's

1604
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 11: people not being allowed to go back to their homes.

1605
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 11: Do you have a sense of like what does that

1606
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:12,560
Speaker 11: look like? Because it's incredibly violent, right, and incredibly inhumane.

1607
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,560
Speaker 11: No reasonable person would think that like, oh yeah, this

1608
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 11: seems normal and cool. Can you explain, like perhaps how

1609
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 11: that would appear for one family or for the farm

1610
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 11: or the village.

1611
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 13: So in Kusra, there has been a good amount of

1612
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 13: resistance even before October seventh from the leaders.

1613
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 12: There and the community.

1614
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 13: But even with that, three months before it looked like

1615
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 13: settlers coming into town, a whole wave of them burning

1616
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 13: eleven houses.

1617
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 12: I believe it was cars.

1618
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 13: Attacking people with Israeli army there not stopping anything. I

1619
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 13: believe it was Muskvaryata, where other activists are, where they

1620
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 13: literally come to the land say this is ours, try

1621
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 13: to destroy instructure.

1622
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:02,440
Speaker 12: Like water wells.

1623
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 13: They come in and literally say God told me this

1624
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 13: is my land, and I'm here and try to settle there.

1625
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 13: There's I guess I saw a place where the Israeli

1626
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 13: occupation forces would guard around a mosque, not for the

1627
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 13: Muslims there, but for settlers to come in and pretty

1628
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 13: much making a synagogue for however long.

1629
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 12: It looks like someone coming in and claiming.

1630
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 13: That your home is theirs and destroying any infrastructure so

1631
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 13: you don't come back, whether it's the home, the streets, water,

1632
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 13: whatever it is.

1633
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, I keep thinking about like one, how much it

1634
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 10: didn't matter that you were American. But I keep thinking

1635
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 10: about Rachel cor and how maybe that was the most

1636
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 10: like egregious recent example I can think of of an

1637
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 10: American citizen. I think she was twenty three when she died,

1638
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 10: got run over by a fucking bulldozer from the iof

1639
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 10: nothing happened. Her parents are still trying to remind the

1640
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 10: world what happened, like year after year, and so it's

1641
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 10: not surprising to me that no one reached out to

1642
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 10: you and that there is no outrage. But it's just

1643
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 10: really frustrating that it really doesn't matter, like it you

1644
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 10: could have, like you could have lost your life and

1645
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 10: no one would have bad an eye in government. Like

1646
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 10: it really really just makes my blood boil because it's

1647
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 10: I don't know, That's what I've been thinking about for

1648
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 10: a tiny bit. It just reminded me of that and

1649
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 10: how there's a protection being American where you're on the

1650
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 10: ground in Palestine at all.

1651
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, when we're there, our power comes from having a

1652
01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 13: passport somewhere else and our phone. Right why we go

1653
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 13: there to volunteer to create a buffer between the Israeli

1654
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 13: army settlers and the Palestinians. And it shows their complete

1655
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 13: disregard the caveat there is that they said it was

1656
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 13: a mistake, which they went straight through my leg, So

1657
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 13: I don't know what kind of mistake goes straight through

1658
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 13: my leg. But also someone was arrested and heard that

1659
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 13: they thought I was Palestinian, So it just shows even

1660
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 13: more so the complete disregard for Palestinian life, whether they

1661
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 13: thought I was or not, that they would just shoot me.

1662
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 13: And yes, there was two US citizens that were recently

1663
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 13: attacked by settlers and the IOF did not do anything,

1664
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 13: you know, only a little bit after they said, you know,

1665
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 13: stop throwing rocks, but the damage is done. Yeah, our

1666
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 13: government has complete disregard for Palestinian lives because there was

1667
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 13: also a lot of Palestinian Americans that have been dead. Ye,

1668
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 13: and our lives are my life or others that are

1669
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 13: just American with another nationality have you know, I guess

1670
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 13: a little bit more value in their eyes. But because

1671
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 13: they don't want outrage, international outrage. But yeah, our government

1672
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 13: they haven't reached out to me, which showcases that they

1673
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 13: don't care about US citizens that support Palestine. Even Biden

1674
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 13: said that, you know, if a US citizen got hurt,

1675
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 13: you would do something, and nothing has happened.

1676
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1677
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's kind of illustrative, right, Like we're

1678
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 11: supposed to live in a democracy, and like here they

1679
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 11: are like choosing the interests of a state to do

1680
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 11: what is extremely clearly and like it's very widely agreed

1681
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 11: upon illegal, and to do so in a genocilal manner,

1682
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 11: and they're going to back that over your right to

1683
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 11: not be shot in the leg.

1684
01:44:58,520 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1685
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,560
Speaker 10: I do think it's it's funny maybe that's not the

1686
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 10: right word, but the fact that they thought you were

1687
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 10: a Palestinian, as if that was a good enough excuse

1688
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 10: to shoot.

1689
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh oh oh.

1690
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 10: That explains it, of course, Like okay, sure that makes

1691
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 10: me so so mad.

1692
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, God, we mistook that person for a

1693
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 11: person whose life doesn't matter.

1694
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 10: Like, yeah, it's shameful.

1695
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 8: You know what, you're really giving it away?

1696
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think, like, I know, it seemed to

1697
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 11: me that our government is not going to solve this, right,

1698
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 11: like it realistically in the election, you know, there are

1699
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 11: third parties and stuff. I'm going to vote for someone

1700
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 11: who said nice things about a Sade, but like, you

1701
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 11: don't have a box you can take that will make

1702
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 11: this stop in November, right, And the only way we

1703
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 11: can do anything is with solidarity. So like, what do

1704
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 11: people do? Like how you've been there, you've seen it, Like,

1705
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 11: how do people most effectively be in solidarity?

1706
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1707
01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 13: I think the biggest thing is national pressure that we've

1708
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 13: seen all across the globe, which has showcased some results

1709
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 13: in other countries not here, where arms exports are actually

1710
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 13: at least some are being banned or restricted all together.

1711
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 13: But here, I think it's continuing to build up anti

1712
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 13: impeerless organizations like on By and like the many pro

1713
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 13: Palestinian organizations, like many revolutionary Black organizations, and then uniting

1714
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 13: and come in together to create a power that is

1715
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 13: beyond the two party system and uniting with everyone that

1716
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 13: is pro Palestinian that does want to see true democracy

1717
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 13: in the United States and all across the globe. Because

1718
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 13: I was one person and people call me a hero,

1719
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 13: but for me, the Palestines face this every day, the heroes,

1720
01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 13: and we should be uniting to support them in their liberation.

1721
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 13: And sometimes it looks like building those organizations. Sometimes it

1722
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 13: also looks like going to Palestine and joining things like FAZA,

1723
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 13: like International Solidarity Mission to you know, be a buffer

1724
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 13: as much as we can, even though it's showcased that

1725
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 13: they don't care. And I think when we unify, we

1726
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 13: would be able to pressure, especially when we have good organizations,

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01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 13: to pressure elected officials to really divest from the two

1728
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 13: party system and people that support genocide and have that

1729
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 13: pressure amount to more than the lobby for Israel or

1730
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 13: you know, people lobbying for arms for Israel, to have

1731
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 13: that outweigh the pressure financially that they have politicians.

1732
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's very informative and really appreciate sharing your experience. Yeah,

1733
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 10: thank you for all the work you do.

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01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 11: People might want to support your healing, they might want

1735
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 11: to support father, they might want to support international diary mission,

1736
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 11: they might want to find out more about how they

1737
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 11: can be that buffer. Do you have any suggestions on

1738
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 11: where people could do any of those or all of

1739
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 11: those things.

1740
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 13: Oh, I don't have a personal fund right now, which

1741
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 13: is fine going back to work teaching, but there are

1742
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 13: people that need funds to be able to participate, especially

1743
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 13: during the all of the harvest. So following a Faza

1744
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 13: faz three a underscore pa L is somewhere to follow,

1745
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 13: as well as Defend Palestine dot org. They're both connected,

1746
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 13: so you can follow the news on what's happening on

1747
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 13: the ground as well as I believe contacting them. There's

1748
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 13: a general fund for folks that want to travel to

1749
01:48:57,200 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 13: Palestine but are not able to, so there's a general

1750
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 13: fun for that in the future. My friend was going

1751
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 13: to make a T shirt to help fund the Palestinian

1752
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,679
Speaker 13: Ambulance Center over there that I got a first aid

1753
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 13: training with Amado Sison on there. So I don't know

1754
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 13: if it'll work here, but over there desnin'tly. So there's

1755
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 13: a lot of different things. I know there's the different

1756
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 13: camps that are being raided right now. I think there's

1757
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 13: some fundraisers for them as well. In Gaza there's plenty too.

1758
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 13: But in any way that people can contribute to any

1759
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 13: of those things, you know, it always goes a long

1760
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 13: way for them.

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01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's pretty great.

1762
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 11: Thank you, Tarantia. You wanted to say to people a

1763
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 11: mother before we finish up.

1764
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, I hope that one day, folks, persons listening right now,

1765
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 13: if you're capable and able to join up to see

1766
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 13: the beauty of Palestine. The landscape, it's gorgeous outside of

1767
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:04,599
Speaker 13: the settlement. The people are so loving and caring, and

1768
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 13: the culture is just amazing. And I just hope that

1769
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:13,639
Speaker 13: you will be able to see Palestine one day, whether

1770
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 13: it is to be in solidarity with them as a

1771
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 13: protective presence or just to see it. And hopefully one

1772
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 13: day in Shallah it's free and we are all.

1773
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:24,679
Speaker 12: Able to visit.

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01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:30,800
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