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Speaker 1: was Joe f and DiMaggio sitting there all by himself,

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Speaker 1: staring at a wall, doing nothing. And I knocked down

430
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Speaker 1: the old that giant if you remember the old visitor's locker,

431
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you do that, that huge metal door when

432
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Speaker 1: we walked in and I knocked on the thing, and

433
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: he looked up and I said, excuse me, Mr DiMaggio,

434
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: can I get your autograph? And instead of him being

435
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: a jerk like I've heard he could be many many

436
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: many times, he wasn't just a you know, really easy

437
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: relaxed attitude. Ah, sure, kid, And then he said what

438
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing here? How did you get in?

439
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff, And he signed my book,

440
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: my my program and my autograph book, and we had

441
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: a little small talk. He was very house school, all

442
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and then he said, sent me

443
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Speaker 1: on my way. That was the end of it. But

444
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: that was another neat time. Nothing like sneaking into the

445
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: ravine and Joe DiMaggio is there and say, it's the

446
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: only time to as you ever signed his autograph and

447
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: his underwear, including Marilyn Monroe. Be sure to catch live

448
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: editions of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at two a m.

449
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the

450
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app. Well that's great because when I

451
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: was in high school, I tried to get to Maggio's autograph.

452
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: I we found out he was appearing in San Diego

453
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Speaker 1: at a card convention. The National Trading Card Convention was

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Speaker 1: in San Diego. So a buddy of mine found out

455
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: what hotel the Maggio was like, a lot of the

456
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: people were staying there. So I went down with some

457
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: friends to try to get to matt. We were we

458
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: were stalking the hotel, sitting in the lobby when when

459
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: we wanted autographs, right, yeah, yeah, So I wanted to

460
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Speaker 1: get to Maggio's autograph, and so I sat for as

461
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Speaker 1: I remember now, it might not have been this long,

462
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Speaker 1: but it felt like hours, as you know, sitting in

463
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Speaker 1: the lobby and and uh and security tried to get

464
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Speaker 1: us out of there, and then we came back and yeah, yeah,

465
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: so finally we to Magic. It was like the White whale,

466
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, how can we you know, it's

467
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: elusive and all that. So I remember the Maggio. We

468
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: saw him get off an elevator with like two other people.

469
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: But he was supposed to we were We had it

470
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: all planned out in her head. Tad that he was

471
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: gonna walk right through the lobby and out to the

472
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Speaker 1: front where the cars were, except he made a right

473
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Speaker 1: turn and walked to a side door, and he walked

474
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Speaker 1: through the kitchen, and we weren't allowed. Fact, as he

475
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: snug we saw I saw like a side shot of

476
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: the Maggio, like the back of his head as he

477
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Speaker 1: walked through the kitchen to get out of the hotel,

478
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: to a voice like an idiot sitting there waiting for hours,

479
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: of course, as we all did. But you got your

480
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Speaker 1: little brief you of Joe di Maggio, And if it

481
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Speaker 1: was today, you'd have your cell phone taking pictures. He say,

482
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: there he goes, it's also like the Suppruter film. After

483
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: a while, exactly exactly now, I have not I have

484
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Speaker 1: not read the entire book here, but the one. You know,

485
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: certain things that stand out ted and we have we

486
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Speaker 1: actually have a similar background. And the fact that you

487
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Speaker 1: went to l A City College. I went to Saddleback

488
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: for radio and stuff. And you the chapter ten about

489
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: radio one oh one in my d n A that

490
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: if you're a radio kind of kind of nerd radio geek,

491
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: we we have a lot of people that listen that

492
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: love radio, and people do radio well yeah, exactly even

493
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: on a podcast a rip off of radio live radio.

494
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Speaker 1: But you go into great detail there and you're you

495
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: got to go as a like a college kid. You

496
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: got to go watch a broadcast of Dodger postgame program.

497
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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Your was it your professor? That was

498
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: the guy that was doing it? Is that is that right? No?

499
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean all that stuff we did it on our own,

500
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: and that was older than me, and we just we

501
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: would go to games and literally sit and practice play

502
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: by play. But I think one of the things you

503
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: might be referring to was the nineteen seventy four World Series. Well,

504
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: I was already out of l A City College by

505
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: then about a year. Uh, and I was actually credential

506
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: to the seventy four World Series. That's how long ago

507
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: that was. Uh. But No, what we would do is

508
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: we would hang out in the press box area and

509
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: wait for them to leave their notes, you know, whatever

510
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: their reads were in their their assignments and all that stuff.

511
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: They would leave it on the desk because it was

512
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: just trash when the game was over, and we would

513
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: pick it up and read it, thinking that we just

514
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: found gold as we were trying to figure out how

515
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: to be broadcasters, and we just got Vince Scully's notes

516
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: from his NBC broadcast with Joe Garagiola, and so that's

517
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: what we would do, and then we would read it

518
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: and pun and use it during our fake broadcast when

519
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: he's sitting in the stands calling a game every damn night.

520
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: So it was it was a blast. But uh, we

521
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: would do everything on our own. I mean literally, we

522
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: went to like maybe fifty Dodger games a year, some

523
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Speaker 1: Angel games too, not as much because it was a

524
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Speaker 1: drive to Anaheim. And then we go to the Forum

525
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: and we do thirty or so Lakers games and King's games,

526
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: and we would have those notes from NBC, from the Dodgers,

527
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: from the Lakers and bug the hell out of the

528
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: p our guys. And they hated our guts after a while.

529
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: So some of them actually got it and they knew

530
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: that what we wanted to do, and we were sincere.

531
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: We weren't just messing around, and others used to be like,

532
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: can you guys get the hell out of here? Your

533
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: college students and you're bothering us, and so uh it was.

534
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: It was fascinating, but again it was whatever it takes, right,

535
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: give me notes. And if you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years

536
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: old and you're trying to get into the business and

537
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: you've got Vince Scully's read on the air, I mean, please,

538
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: I gotta have this. Did you keep any of that stuff?

539
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: Do you have any of those? You know what? I didn't.

540
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: I have one thing I kept that the nineteen seventy

541
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: four World Series notes. I still have because it was

542
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: in a World Series MLB. He used to have it

543
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: like a little folder and it would just say World

544
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Series on it or something, and it was the game notes.

545
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: And I stuck some of the whatever I we took

546
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: off the table we would put I put inside there

547
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: and just put it away and totally forgot about. I

548
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: found it about five years ago. It was sitting in

549
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: a folder somebody gave to me and said, Roboski's name,

550
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: how's that for old? And he was the best reliever

551
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: in the busines at that time. Uh so, yeah, there

552
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: was some St. Louis stuff and uh and and then

553
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: the seventy four World Series and we actually had Salve

554
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: Bando if you remember that name. He was an All

555
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Star for the Oakland A's in nineteen seventy four, third baseman.

556
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: And this is how it was been. How it's totally different.

557
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever lived this, because I think

558
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: it was gone by the time you showed up. We

559
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: were literally in the A's dugout twenty minutes before the

560
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: start of the World Series game because there's nobody here,

561
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean nobody cared. Yeah, the guys are coming off

562
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the field. We got sal Bando to come on our

563
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: fake pregame show. He sare the World Series game started.

564
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: He walked over, he was a guest. We got it

565
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: for like two or three questions. He was fantastic. He

566
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: was a really nice guy. And then we said, well, okay,

567
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: and we'll be back with the startup game one after this,

568
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: and then we went upstairs and and practice in the stands.

569
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: That's outstanding is that is a great story. So yeah,

570
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: I I was there a little bit in those you know,

571
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: it started to turn over around the time I started, unfortunately,

572
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of that stuff went away and I

573
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: got away. A quick little note on the sal Bando thing.

574
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: That game is, that is the famous game when Reggie

575
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Jackson hit the fly ball to right field where Joe

576
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Ferguson ran in front of Jimmy Winn and made one

577
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: of the greatest throws in the history of the World

578
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Series to throw a guy out of at the plate.

579
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: Do you remember seeing the video on that thing, the

580
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: toy cannon? Uh so not. Now we should point out

581
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: here touching greatness that you both you and we mentioned Paul,

582
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, the Yankee guy, and he did play by.

583
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: Both of you guys, you did play by play. You've

584
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: done play by playing for college and and minor league

585
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: hockey and a bunch of stuff over the years. And

586
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: you're a network. So both you guys made it and

587
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: and you would hang out in what the upper decade

588
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium doing mock broadcast the very time at Dodger Stadium,

589
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: we were at the field level. We sat in the

590
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: same seats almost every night. We got to know the

591
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: ushers at the Forum and Dodger Stadium, and if nobody

592
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: showed up with a season seat or a regular seat.

593
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: They let us sit on the last role behind home

594
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: plate in section five O five and we would sit

595
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: there and it would be um, it would be next

596
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: to because we needed this next to an electric plug

597
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: so we didn't have to use our batteries because we

598
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: couldn't afford them for our set player. So we could

599
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: plug into the wall, you know, which they use basically

600
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: for the clean up crew. Afterwards we used it. We said, hey,

601
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: this is great. We get to use Dodger Stadium electricity

602
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: for our cassette recorders. And that's we sat the same

603
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: seat almost every night, and the same seats at the

604
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Forum as well, because in those days the games weren't

605
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: sold out, so we sat up high at the Forum,

606
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: but again right by the place where we could plug in,

607
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: and we it was on office and people knew us

608
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: up there. The regulars up there used to turn off

609
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Chickern and Bob Miller and listened to us to the

610
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: play by play, and we we ate it up. It

611
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: was a blast. Well, I was gonna ask you that

612
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: because I've heard stories back in the old days it

613
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: like a Dodger stadium in particular, like Vince Scully, everyone

614
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: was listening to Vin call the game. It was like

615
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: you didn't have to have headphones on. So when you

616
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: were doing the play by play in the back, there

617
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: were people receptive and we're like, hey, it's shut up.

618
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I want to hear what Vin has to say. What

619
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: do you do a great question? And there was always

620
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: every once in a while you get somebody like, hey,

621
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: I I paid my four dollars or whatever the hell

622
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: it was in those days to to come to this game.

623
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: But almost everybody, I guess we sounded good enough. They

624
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed it and they could see that we were we

625
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: were just screwing around. I mean, we were trying to

626
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: be as as keen a broadcaster as possible and just

627
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: learned after game after game after game, and almost everybody

628
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: was nice to listen. A lot of them say yes,

629
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: soon as we come, we in the radio off. We

630
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: just listen to you guys, and they were having a

631
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: blastom By the way, nobody was wearing headphones in those days.

632
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Headphones didn't exist. All right, well, fine, you called me on.

633
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: So now another thing that I had like a lightbulb

634
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: moment here because you you and a chapter of hanging

635
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: out with Elgin Baylor and we both have a mutual

636
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: friend who passed away a few years ago, Dave Stone,

637
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: who worked at Fox Sports Radio, who I always I

638
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: remember we were in his service. Like to me, he

639
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: was the biggest Elgin Baylor fanatic I had ever. He

640
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: knew everything about el He he used to tell me

641
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Elgin was better than Michael Jordan's or Kobe Bryant or

642
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: any of these guys. And and but I didn't see

643
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see el I only knew Elgin as the

644
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Clipper GM. So that the problem. Yeahn't see him. So

645
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: they're all dead. Now what can I tell you? But

646
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: you saw him, and you you became friends with him,

647
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: right you you knew him them you stopped Joan Masual.

648
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: But I got to hang out with Elgin for fifty years.

649
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: And Joe, you're still waiting for Joe to sign your

650
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: damn book. Difference. Uh. When I went to Fairfax High

651
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I moved into a neighborhood that I had had no idea. Uh.

652
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: When I was playing B and C basketball in school,

653
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: and one of the guys my first year says, hey,

654
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: you moved into a neighbor where Elgin Baylor lives. Remember

655
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: he was playing at that time. This is nineteen sixty eight.

656
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm losing track of this year. So he was still

657
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: the superstar. I mean, he was Michael Jordan before Michael

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: Jordan was a sperm. I always say, you know, I mean,

659
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: it was, it was that simple. And uh so when

660
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: he got to the point where I realized, g I,

661
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: if Elgin really lives here, I gotta find this guy.

662
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I used to hitchhike up the hill. It was.

663
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: It was a very steep hill about Sunset Boulevard, and uh,

664
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I didn't drive yet, so I had to hitchhike to

665
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: get home, and it was too long to walk. And

666
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: one day, uh, in this story, in the chapter Dela Reese,

667
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: the the late great Dela Reese, the actress, singer. She

668
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: used to pick me up regularly and drive me half

669
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: the way home. She lived up that hill and she

670
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: was really nice to me. And one day she dropped

671
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: me off and I'm walking the rest of the way

672
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: home and I look, I look over as cars are

673
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: coming by, and I could have sworn that's that's gotta

674
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: be Elgian Baylor. I couldn't believe it. He was driving

675
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: an old giant Buick, a brown one and and I'm

676
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: staring at the car, thinking, I gotta find this car

677
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: I have And that was my whole life the next

678
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: several weeks, Where the hell is this car? And I

679
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: walked up the hill, uh, and sideways and every which

680
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: way I was running into rattlesnakes. I was past houses,

681
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: just trying to find and one day I finally it

682
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: was only two blocks away from me, but it was

683
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: a hidden could de sac that he lived at the

684
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: end of the cul de sac and uh, and he

685
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: had to continually walk up this this grueling hill and

686
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: there was a house with that car sitting right there

687
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: in the driveway. And I said, I just found gold.

688
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: This is the greatest thing. Okay, now, what the hell

689
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: do I do? What am I gonna do? Knock on

690
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: the door and say, hey, I'm here. I'm your new

691
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: best friend. You know, it's great. I found his far

692
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: who cared right anyway, I did knock on the door,

693
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: and Mrs Baylor Ruby, his first wife, answered the door.

694
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: She was so nice and she says, Teddy's um, he's

695
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: taking a nap right now. And Reverence during the season

696
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: while he was playing, So I said, uh, is there

697
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: any chance he goes? You know what, come back tomorrow

698
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: about the same time. He should be Uh, everything should

699
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: be great. You can be just They were very neighboring.

700
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: All right, it was great. So I came back the

701
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: next day. I was so excited. And I write in

702
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: the book how nervous I was that if I was

703
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: if I was my age, then I would have keeled over.

704
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: It would have been all over. I would add cardiac

705
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: arrest with him saying I can feel my heart pounding

706
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: out of my chest. I was so nervous. And then finally, Uh,

707
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I got up enough nerve to hit the door again,

708
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and she answered to hold on one second. Elgin came

709
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: over and he looked down at me, and you know,

710
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm about three ft tall at the time, and I'm

711
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: not that much taller now. And he looked down him

712
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and he goes, hi, I'm Elgin, and I'm looking at

713
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: him like no ship, I guess anyway, So it was fantastic,

714
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: and he invited me into his his He had this

715
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: trophy room where he had the m v P and

716
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: all these Seattle University and unbelievable trophies everywhere. And this

717
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: was towards the end of his career, but he was

718
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: still playing, and it I was. I was about to

719
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: leave the house, so I spent about fifteen minutes with him.

720
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: He was really nice, and Tommy Hawkins once told me

721
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: the former Laker in his his his one time roommate

722
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: for a long time, said to me, I'm surprised Elgin

723
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: is not usually like that, but I think maybe his

724
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: wife was a good influence on him in that department.

725
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: So uh. He spent some quality time with me and

726
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: then basically said, hey, it was nice to meet you,

727
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: and now good luck to the rest of your life.

728
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: And as Mrs Baylor was about to close the door

729
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: and I mean literally it was almost closed, and saying

730
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: thank you, it's nice to meet you, and you know,

731
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: good luck, I turned around. A light bulb went off

732
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: my head Ben and I said to myself, this can't

733
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: be it. There's got to be more to this than that.

734
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: And I quickly turned around. Excuse me, Mrs Baylor. Would

735
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: it be possible for you guys to take me to

736
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: a game sometime? I don't drive you. He looked at

737
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: me like I was insane, and I didn't know what

738
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: to say, and she says, well, I don't know. I

739
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: have to ask Elsie watch you come back another time

740
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: and we'll bring it up. And that's all. Oh, thank you,

741
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: And I walked away and I'm laughing running back down

742
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: the hill to my place. They can they just invited

743
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: me back. I'm on my way back, and I did,

744
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: and they did, and they took me. They started taking

745
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: me to games. And I used to hang out with

746
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: their kids, uh at their house and shoot baskets in

747
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: his backyard. And the one time that Al and his

748
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: son invited me over and said, let's shoot some baskets.

749
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: Um Elgin was there practicing his free throws and I

750
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna die. So anyway, it was just

751
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: an incredible time. And you can't do that anymore. You

752
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: you have to get through the sixteen security guys with

753
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: the machetes and the machine guns and you know, all

754
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, get over the moat and good luck. So

755
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: I imagine imagine a kid today going up to Lebron,

756
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: because elm was like the Lebron of his days. Hey,

757
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: you go up to Lebron's house in bel Air. Hey, Lebron,

758
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: I want to hang out and see your trophies. Good luck?

759
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Can you come up? Can you take me the games?

760
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: From now on? It's like now those days are over.

761
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: But that's it wasn't only amazing to me, but because

762
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: it's decades later and the world has changed so much,

763
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's sort of a time piece

764
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: there where I can say, this is the way it

765
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: used to be, at least potentially. Not everybody went over

766
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: to Aldam Baker's house, I hope, But you know what

767
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, you had that beach balls to

768
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: do it in the first place, and then it just

769
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: worked out so great well. And I remember ted Tommy,

770
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: you bought Tommy Hawkins name up and he told I

771
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: love Tommy. He told me a story one time when

772
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: he was on the Minneapolis Lakers when they came to

773
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: l a and he said, in the early days the Lakers,

774
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: it's amazing to think about this because I I'm surrounded

775
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: by Laker area historians that love to brag about the

776
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: Lakers and us. But when the Lakers moved from Minneapolis,

777
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: basketball was not very popular like pro basketball, and the

778
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: Laker players, Tommy said, would have to go out, you know,

779
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: the day of games. They'd ride around in the back

780
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: of trucks or flatbed trucks and try to get people

781
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: to come to the game that night. Uh, I mean,

782
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: that's that's insane to think about now, considering how popular

783
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: the Lakers were and and imagine if you had players

784
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: today to if you told again Lebron or these guys,

785
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: can you go out and promote the game that night,

786
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: said we can sell some tickets before. I mean, it's

787
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: it's it's insane to think about, but then it's totally

788
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: a sane I mean, as a matter of fact, they

789
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: would say, talk to the union, get I'll get back

790
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: to you about twenty years when I'm retired. You know

791
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: that not one person would do it. And uh, but

792
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: you had to do it that I mean, remember these guys,

793
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them had jobs on the side. This

794
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: was not big money in those days, so this was

795
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: their seasonal job and then they go back being a

796
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: lifeguard in a car wash or something after that, you know,

797
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: until the next season. So it was really a lot

798
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: of amazing stuff in those days. And I used to

799
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: go to the sports Arena, not your Clippers sports arena,

800
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: but when the Lakers played there, and it was a

801
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: dump when it was new. I never how we thought

802
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: in places it died that I was there and was

803
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: half full for a Lakers game, and so yeah, it

804
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: was just a different world. Uh people, remember it wasn't.

805
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: The media wasn't what it is now, or forget now,

806
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: even thirty years ago. Uh, you couldn't. There was no

807
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: important game of the week that was on all the time.

808
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: It was just so different. So of course, early on

809
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: when they moved to l A, you had to establish

810
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: the fact that hey, we got a professional basketball team here.

811
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: And you guys, if you don't read the sports page,

812
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you're not gonna know it exists. So yeah, hawkey to

813
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: talk about that where they drive up and down, and

814
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: it was also sometimes I think it was a convertible

815
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: and they'd have their little megaphones out and say, hey,

816
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: well it's a seven thirty start tonight at the sports Arena.

817
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: The New York knickerby hers are in town. And I

818
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: love those stories. I think it's great because it's it's

819
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: it's impossible to imagine today, but it's the way it was. Yeah,

820
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: that's wild. So now you you're a great storyteller, Ted,

821
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: which is wonderful radio guy. No, but we if somebody's

822
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: still undecided Ted right now listening to this and and

823
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: this far into this podcast. Well, I know, but you've

824
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: covered You've covered l A obviously mostly l A sports,

825
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: but you worked in with you were in Wisconsin for

826
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: a while at one point. You've traveled all over the place.

827
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: But why tell the guy sell the book ted? Because

828
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: I want to see this do well, I'll tell you

829
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: why in a second. But touching greatness here, Uh, somebody

830
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: in Sheboygan or Punksitani or Springfield, like, why why would

831
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: they want to read a book that's mostly about you know,

832
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, el Jin Baylor in l A type sports.

833
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Why why would they want to buy this book? Well,

834
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: first of all, it's not just l A. It happens

835
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: to be my memoir plus a lot of other stuff.

836
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: But there is a lot of people in Sheboygan, and

837
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: not that I hang out there, so I don't know

838
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: for sure. But if you're listening to this in Sheboygan,

839
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: you're probably fascinated by stuff that goes on in Los Angeles.

840
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: That's why we have too many damn people, because the

841
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: second you come here and visit, ten minutes later you're

842
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: living here and we've got four billion people in one

843
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: lane on the freeway. This is part of the problem.

844
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: So remever, I used to live in Wisconsin, and there's uh,

845
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: there'll be a future volume of Touching Greatness with some

846
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: stuff about my Wisconsin days. But there's also a football

847
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: chapter right now with a lot of Aaron Rodgers and

848
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: Bart Star because I grew up a Green Bay Packers

849
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: fan as a little kid when they were great during

850
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: the Vince Lombardi era. So I talked about getting a

851
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: chance to meet my idols, and that's a lot of

852
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: what this book is about. It doesn't matter you're from

853
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: l A or from Mars. There's a lot of um.

854
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: I hopefully it'll be inspirational stuff, but at the same time,

855
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: just make you smile stuff, because it's the kind of

856
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: thing that the average person who might be a sports

857
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: fan walks down the street and if they got a

858
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: chance to meet Ted Williams or or Joe them as

859
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: you or anybody in between, Colfax Drysdale from the other era,

860
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: or Kobe and Tiger Woods from this era, Um, you're

861
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna love it. I mean this, you're it's

862
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: a moment you'll never forget. Well. I write about many, many,

863
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: many moments I never forgot in that vein, and it's

864
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: There's there's also music in here too. I talked about

865
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: being around. There's a chapter called Laurel Canyon Days, and

866
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: I was there in the late sixties when I went

867
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: to Fairfax High School. I lived not far away from

868
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Loyal Canyon. When it was the place it is, it

869
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: was the capital of music, Uh in the world. Everything

870
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: was based on a Laurel Canyon. You know, the Birds

871
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: and the Beach Boys and everybody was living there, and

872
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: and the and the bands like um, like the Eagles

873
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: and all those guys were formed there. And I have

874
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: stories about I break a couple of stories on how

875
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: two of the songs from the Eagles, Uh, New Kid

876
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: in Town and Tequila Sunrise were written by around the

877
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: guy that is former l A King's player Geane Carr,

878
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: and Jean gave me an exclusive story that's something he's

879
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: never told anybody else before. And he just thought he

880
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: felt comfortable with me, and it was great. He's a

881
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: super guy and uh he told me the history New

882
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Kid in Town was written about him when he got

883
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: traded to l A from the New York Rangers. Uh.

884
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: And he did, and Glenn Friday became extremely close friends.

885
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: Glenn fry the Eagles, who passed away a couple of

886
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: years ago. And Glenn Fried. You probably ever seen him.

887
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: He was always a Laker games and King's games and

888
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, he was a season ticket older.

889
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: He's a big sports fan and and I love to

890
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: play golf regularly. So a lot of that stuff is

891
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: in the book. And it's unusual stuff. I mean, you

892
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: just don't see this anywhere. And I just happened to

893
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: live through. And again I've told people's stories forever about

894
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: this and that, but I go into uh, literally, there's

895
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: a where were you when JFK was shot? Well, I

896
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: know where you were. You didn't exist yet, right, A

897
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: lot of people will still ask that question. We're still

898
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: were around today. Where were you? It's one of these

899
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: It's one of the events of all time, of course,

900
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: negative or positive. And it got to the point where,

901
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I remember that moment like it was yesterday,

902
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: and I thought it was an interesting thing to recall.

903
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: And I tied it in around my favorite baseball player,

904
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: Don Drysdale, who was just a phenomenal guy and became

905
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: just an icon around here, and the Drysdale Cofax hold

906
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: out of the sixties and how how much that meant.

907
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more than just because it's l A.

908
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: But I talked about Tiger Woods and UH covering him

909
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: at the at the British Open at St. Andrews, and

910
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: and UH and Kobe this first game that he played,

911
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: his first I should say, his first season that he played,

912
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: and his last game of his first season was his

913
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: air ball game when he shot four air balls in

914
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: the last few minutes and he looked like the worst

915
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: player who ever lived. I just happened to be in

916
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: Utah that night because I was announcing a minor league

917
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: hockey game the night before and the night after, so

918
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: I got a credential to come for that game, and

919
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: I was there and I I ended up winning a Golden

920
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Mite for the damn thing, and I talked about that story.

921
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: So look, there's just tons of stuff. It's not just

922
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: l A. It's mostly icons that I discussed, and even

923
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: Vegas the rat pack era. I mean, even Ben Mallard

924
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: knows that the rat back. Yeah, they were all ninety

925
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: years old by the time you showed up. That is true.

926
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: I remember Sinatra occasionally going to a Dodger game when

927
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: I first started. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But even have seen

928
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: him a few times over there. I did, right, I did. Yeah,

929
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: it was why I remember the last time I remember

930
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: him showing up. There was a rumor in the press

931
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: box that he was going to be there, and then

932
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: like the it was at that time he was bigger

933
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: than life by the end of his career and stuff.

934
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: But exactly you exactly, exactly exactly thing like you used

935
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: to it all. But he's Frank Sinatra, so that nobody

936
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: cared exactly. Uh. And you I also love and this

937
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: is how I consume books dead. You know, I don't

938
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: read too many books, but I love the fun facts.

939
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Did you know? Because you know I those are right

940
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse, little nuggets that you can, you know,

941
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: kind of wrap your mind around. One of them that

942
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: stood out to me in touching great because I did

943
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: not know. My mom was a huge Sandy Kofax fan

944
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: used to regale me with stories about Sandy Kofax and

945
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: all that. But he he actually owned He owned a

946
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: hotel in that Laurel Canyon, uh chapter of Santa Monica Boulevard,

947
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: right down the street from the Troubadour. He owned a

948
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: little kind of roads like roots sixties six hotel type

949
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: thing is that it was just it was literally like

950
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: a motel motor in kind of a place. It was

951
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: sort of a cheap, old place. But uh, for a while,

952
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: his name was not on it, and then it became

953
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: the Sandy co Fax whatever it was, I can't remember anymore.

954
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: Something in it was only for a few years, maybe

955
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: five years or something like that. But that's where the

956
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: bands used to stay and party and do whatever the

957
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: hell they did back in the sixties. Who played at

958
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: the Troubadour and the Whiskey a Go Go Someone were there,

959
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: including Jim Warrison was a regular. He used to stay

960
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: at that hotel all the time. And I have a

961
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: fun interview and they're a little quick Q and A

962
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: with Robbie Kreeger, who was the guitar player for the Doors,

963
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: who was also a golfer, and I've known him for

964
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: a little bit for a several years. He's a really

965
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: good guy and he loves talking about the old days.

966
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: And he gave me the answer. I said, did you

967
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: guys know the Sandy Kofax on this? And what would

968
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Jim Morrison have said? And it's in the book. I mean,

969
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: when's the last time you read anything with Jim Morrison

970
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: and Sandy Kofax's name in the same damn sentence. It

971
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: ain't never gonna exist again. No, it's it's a tremendous

972
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I I really stuck with me as a fun factory.

973
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: Sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show

974
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific, Ha and

975
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Dou got the The podcast is called All Ball. We

976
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more

977
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: about the stories about what made these people love their

978
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We

979
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: talked to kill we talked to players, We tell you stories.

980
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: You download it, you listen to it. I think you

981
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Gotlieb on

982
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or ever you

983
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: get your podcast. So now full disclosure. We need this

984
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: book to do well because I need the second I

985
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: need the second edition of Touching Greatness because Ted, one

986
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: of the cool things about knowing you, you worked with

987
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: one of my idols, one of my inspirations to get

988
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: into radio, Jim Healy, and you knew him and you

989
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: were around him, and uh, it's not in this book,

990
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: but you've told me that if there is a second book,

991
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: that if this does want, I believe it will do well. Ted,

992
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna write an entire chapter about Jim Healey, my

993
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: my radio hero. So I can't written, Oh good, Okay,

994
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got a chance to even

995
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: it yet. I'm trying to get people to buy the book, Ted,

996
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: so I I want you to get the second book

997
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: so that yes, but I did write it already, and

998
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: maybe it's I sent you the unedited version. If you

999
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: haven't listened to Jim Healy and you're too young, or

1000
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: you just didn't know of him, or you certainly if

1001
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: you're not from l A. There's a good chance you've

1002
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: never heard of him. There's stuff online and I'm sure

1003
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: that you could pass people send him to links and whatever.

1004
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: Listen to these shows. There's a million stuff out there.

1005
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable, he was. But I started when he started,

1006
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: when I was in college in nineteen seventy three is

1007
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: when he started doing his stick on the air. That way,

1008
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: and Paul Olden the following several months after that worked

1009
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: at k l a C in l a UH in

1010
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: the news department there while he was still going to college,

1011
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, they found an opening there. And

1012
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't just an internship, it was actual job in

1013
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: the in the news department. And he started getting this

1014
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: sound off the newsreels for Healey to use, and he

1015
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: started using them. And one of the early things was

1016
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: there was a there was a sound effect album, one

1017
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: of many, many, many volumes where there was a sound

1018
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: effect of a man falling down the stairs. You can

1019
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: hear them hitting the stairs, each stair and every time

1020
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: he hit him. All right, uh, do you remember that

1021
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: at all? So yeah, he would use that when like

1022
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: let's say, for example, Uh, in those days, let's say

1023
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: Ali punched out Joe Frazier and he went down, and

1024
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: he would play that sound effect as a guy falling

1025
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: down and getting the crap beat out of him. Well,

1026
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: that sound effect came from me because I heard that

1027
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: when I was a kid on the Dave Hole Show.

1028
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Was my radio idal as a non sports radio aonal

1029
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: one of the great DJs in the history of l A.

1030
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: The hullabalooor and Dave used to play that all the time.

1031
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: So when I got into radio, and I forget professionally,

1032
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: when I got into the radio department at l A.

1033
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: City College. I looked everywhere for that sound effect. I

1034
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: couldn't find it, and we finally went to a library

1035
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: one where where they had old albums of sound effects,

1036
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: and I went through dozens of them and I finally

1037
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: found it. And I didn't know that it was labeled

1038
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: as man Falling down stairs. That was the title of it.

1039
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: And it last like four seconds and we're not talking about,

1040
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, a whole album here. And so I found

1041
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: it and I said, Paul, I said, you gotta give

1042
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: this to Heally. I know he could use it a

1043
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: million times. The next night it was on the air

1044
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: and he used it for the next twenty years. So

1045
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: that was my first contribution to his show. And then

1046
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I did a thing where um, when wald Alston was

1047
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: the manager of the Dodgers, Uh, we used to be

1048
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: sitting in the stands doing our practice play by play

1049
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: and there was one game where I was just fed up.

1050
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: Alston was almost literally falling asleep in the dugout. I

1051
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: mean it was just you could see his head like

1052
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: nodding off. It was embarrassing. And we had good seat,

1053
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: so I was close enough to tell and uh, and

1054
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I think he was half asleep when he left whoever

1055
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: was in the game at the time, these guys getting bombed,

1056
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: and we're saying what they we're doing our practice play

1057
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: if I played, what is he doing? How do you

1058
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: not have any believer? Bring him in off the bus?

1059
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Stop anybody right now getting his ass kick? And finally

1060
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: that he brought somebody in and Allston's walking out to

1061
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: the mound after way too many runs were scored and

1062
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: I stood up and I yelled, your stupid Allston. And

1063
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: it because where we were, the whole the hall was

1064
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: right behind us at the stadium. It was this incredible

1065
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: like an echoing sound. And we would listen to our

1066
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: broadcast every night on the cassette tape, and Paul listened

1067
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: back and he goes, wow, I shut up. Just happened

1068
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: to be you yelled your stupid Alston. That came out

1069
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: so good. I'm giving that to Healey and Jim used

1070
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: that for years seven every time a Dodgers screwed up,

1071
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: You're stupid Alston, and he would and that would be me,

1072
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: although my name wasn't on it. He called it. He

1073
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: called the voice of that man, the I rate fan,

1074
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: And now the irate fan is all over Austin again

1075
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: that I Boom, You're stupid all and that was the

1076
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: start of a lot of other stuff. We were totally

1077
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: involved in that show. That's awesome. And yeah, Jimmy, there's

1078
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of Jim Healy clips on YouTube. There's actually

1079
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: if you google the right words, there's a Jim Jim Healy.

1080
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: There's a web page that still exists, has a lot

1081
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: of his old sounds. Right. You know when Kirk Ipson

1082
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: at the big home run, uh, and then the following year,

1083
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: I remember that was the last at bat that he

1084
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: had for many many months because he went and had

1085
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: surgery on his I think it was his knee at

1086
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: the time, and uh, when he came back the following season.

1087
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: I was there that night working for the Dodgers audio wire.

1088
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: You might remember the name Jimmy Pell's. You knew him, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1089
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: absolutely so. Jimmy ran the Dodger audio wire and I

1090
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: used to fill in for him a lot whenever he

1091
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: just needed an extra body or he was on vacation.

1092
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: And that night happened to be the night that Kurt

1093
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: Gibson made his comeback first game since the home run.

1094
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: It of course, it's like around I don't know, mid

1095
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: season or something. He missed a lot of the early

1096
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: part of the season in eighty nine, so he came

1097
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: back and and uh he didn't do that much and

1098
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: the Dodgers lost, so it wasn't a big deal, but

1099
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: the story was he's back. So I besides the fact

1100
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm working for whoever, I was working for maybe a

1101
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: P or U P. I getting my twelve second sound bites.

1102
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: I needed something for the Dodger audio wire. So we

1103
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: waited and waited for him. He finally showed up. Never

1104
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: forget he had the big, giant white towel wrapped around him.

1105
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: And he's just the typical piste off Kirk Gibson. He

1106
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: was possible to deal with. He was a total jerk

1107
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: to most of us on a regular basis. I know

1108
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: he's a lot of people's idols and hero but uh,

1109
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: if you had to deal with him, he would be

1110
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: off that list pretty quick. Anyway. Uh So I got

1111
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: to the point where we were waiting for him to

1112
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: give us a five seconds, so we just get a

1113
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: couple of questions. So one of my questions was, Hey,

1114
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: I just spoke to Kenny Howell, who was a former

1115
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Dodger pitcher who's pitching for the Phillies that night. And uh,

1116
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: and I said, because I ran in there first, got

1117
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: howl sound, and he said that I didn't have my

1118
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: best stuff. Blah blah blah blah. You know, figured out

1119
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: a way to win that kind of junk. So I

1120
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: came back in there and I said, I just spoke

1121
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: to Kenny Allen. He said he didn't have his best stuff,

1122
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: and he went all over He starts cussing me out.

1123
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: It's a ramp that ended up on Jim Healy Show.

1124
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: And uh, it was. There weren't a lot of f

1125
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: bombs or anything, but there are a couple of little ones.

1126
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: But it was this attitude. It was like, gee, what

1127
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: it's great to have you back. You haven't played since

1128
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: the big old running. The total jerked everybody and Healy

1129
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: was all over him. And and that thing is posted

1130
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: online somewhere. You can find that, and you can hear

1131
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: me answer the question. It's not again, not as famous

1132
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: as what's your opinion the King's performance, And it's not

1133
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: about being famous. Basically, Healy said, the guy's working for

1134
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: the Dodger audio wire and he's still ripping it. That's outstanding.

1135
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: We got we gotta have this up there. But the

1136
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: book Touching Great is where can people find is everywhere?

1137
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: Is this available all over the place? Do you want

1138
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: to direct people to a certain website or just direct

1139
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: people to Amazon. That's the easiest place. It's also on

1140
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Coaches Choice and that's plural Coaches CEO, A, C. H. E. S. Choice.

1141
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: That's the publisher and you get it directly from them.

1142
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: But it's on Amazon right now. It is not in

1143
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: bookstores yet. It's very new. Not sure when it will

1144
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: be because that's the whole political thing on how to

1145
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: get your book and from a smaller publisher into the bookstore.

1146
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: So it may or may not ever get into any

1147
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: of the big bookstores. Will that's all to be determined.

1148
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: But just go to Amazon Touching Great instead. Sobel it's

1149
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: right there, and uh, I hope you and check it

1150
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: out for whatever reason, if you're into sports, if you're

1151
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: into music, if you're just into the history of southern

1152
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: California the way it was in the sixties. I go

1153
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: back and talk about growing up in Culver City with

1154
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: restaurants the way it was my favorite food then MGM

1155
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: Studios and how it used to be and I used

1156
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: to sneak in there and my favorite shows like Superman

1157
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: and UH and the Andy Griffith showing all that stuff.

1158
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: We're all recorded down the street from where I lived,

1159
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: and we tried to sneak into the studios and it

1160
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: was just a lot of fun stories like that. No,

1161
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: that's a great book, Ted, Thank you so much. We'll

1162
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: hang on at some point again, I appreciate I'll see

1163
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: it a game or something. Thank you, you got it,

1164
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: Thanks be. I appreciate it.