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Speaker 1: We've been waiting for.
Speaker 2: This episode, probably longer than we care to actually stay
Speaker 2: on the records. I don't know why it's taken almost
Speaker 2: three and a half years for us to finally bring
Speaker 2: to fortune. Uh the Jill Scott episode. I can't say
Speaker 2: enough about this woman. She helped me get my first Grammy,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate that. Jill Scott, she saved my life.
Speaker 2: She gave me my first and only hit, Wow, why
Speaker 2: only hit? No, Ladies and gentlemen, Jill Scott is much
Speaker 2: more than that to me.
Speaker 1: She's actually she's literally one of my.
Speaker 2: Favorite artists ever, accomplished poet, singer, actress. Yes, extraordinaire, Please
Speaker 2: welcome to Quest of Supreme.
Speaker 1: Finally, one and only Jill.
Speaker 2: Wait, Joe, what's your middle name? I'm gonna look this
Speaker 2: up on the internet. Jill, Wait, why don't we know your.
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Jill, did you take your middle name
Speaker 2: off of the Internet?
Speaker 4: Internet?
Speaker 3: Yes, you did?
Speaker 1: W is it barbarabody?
Speaker 2: Got a black ass middle name? Lady Scott, it's probably.
Speaker 4: I like lo Renal.
Speaker 2: Wait, are you trying to tell me that your middle
Speaker 2: name will never be known to the world?
Speaker 1: Ever?
Speaker 4: If you search hard enough, you'll find it.
Speaker 2: Jill is really secret, Like she didn't even want to
Speaker 2: tell me where she was at. She didn't want to
Speaker 2: tell me where her house was.
Speaker 1: Not even a state. Yeah, not even because you're a
Speaker 1: Philly for life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Philly all day?
Speaker 1: And what.
Speaker 4: I just like balance, man. I try to find a
Speaker 4: place where people don't know me at all for anything,
Speaker 4: and I go there and it's great. We have conversations
Speaker 4: about something and nothing. We get angry with each other
Speaker 4: and you know, call h O A on each other.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 2: You're trying to tell me that you you're in a
Speaker 2: circle in which people may or may not know who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 3: That's right, No, not impossible. They are white.
Speaker 2: I believe that I can believe that Yes, there's white famous,
Speaker 2: and then there's black famous.
Speaker 4: Yes, and white famous yes, and the white famous and
Speaker 4: uh no incomes texts, no state income text All that
Speaker 4: made sense to me an Acreage, I was like, yep,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: Wait, there's another place that's not Delaware that does this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm in Tennessee. Oh be good, she
Speaker 4: said it. I was scared she was gonna get us
Speaker 4: up if we said it. Oh yeah, I won't fight you, probably.
Speaker 3: Nigga, I'm scared of you.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 3: The first song was getting it. Let me tell you
Speaker 3: about basilinay.
Speaker 1: I never forget Jill, Jill am.
Speaker 4: I story time.
Speaker 3: Story time?
Speaker 2: Can I sell you all the first seven words I
Speaker 2: ever heard Jill Scott ever say? Okay, So, Jill Scott
Speaker 2: is best friend with a mutual friend of ours, Leslie
Speaker 2: Arnette Pina. Leslie is the voice of oh on Lazy Afternoon?
Speaker 1: Or do you want more? Right? So, I believe maybe
Speaker 1: this is when Leslie's cutting it.
Speaker 2: I'm not certain, but what I do know is that
Speaker 2: she brought her girlfriend down to the studio with her. Now,
Speaker 2: what makes this even crazier I'm not knowing that the
Speaker 2: guy that Jill was once dating is also currently messing
Speaker 2: with a roommate of someone that I lived with in
Speaker 2: the house that I was living in during the Do
Speaker 2: You Want More?
Speaker 1: Period?
Speaker 2: This sounds like an episode of Insecure. So it's all
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It's terrible.
Speaker 1: This is all I know. It's terrible, not sight unseen.
Speaker 2: I sat down on the couch and she must have
Speaker 2: gotten the news that that he did her wrong.
Speaker 1: And she said, and the most.
Speaker 2: Think of the most Oprah Harpo voice you can muster up,
Speaker 2: she said, She said, Jill.
Speaker 1: Scott, lady gentlemen. Yes, yeah, yep, Heather. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I was doing. Internet just told me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I was either midshew, I don't know if I was
Speaker 2: at my lunch or reading something. But I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm scared of this woman forever.
Speaker 3: What happened to him, what happened to do was gonna
Speaker 3: get cut off whatever. Let's see. What do I know?
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 1: Story at the house.
Speaker 4: This I can't tell you the rest.
Speaker 3: It's so bad.
Speaker 2: I think the special limitations is that I think you
Speaker 2: can go in Okay.
Speaker 4: So I went to the house. I went to the house,
Speaker 4: and and she was there at.
Speaker 3: The house, right he right, sorry, right.
Speaker 4: Drinking my kool aid out of the glass I bought. YEP,
Speaker 4: I happened to have a razor blade.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right, this is question of supreme Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, keep going. Everyone lived, Everyone lived, but his wardrobe
Speaker 4: didn't live.
Speaker 3: His ward.
Speaker 1: Kind of everything.
Speaker 4: And it was ever Erackey era everything and not on
Speaker 4: the scene.
Speaker 3: Where you can.
Speaker 2: Settle something for me, Jill, was he at all? Was
Speaker 2: he at all involved in music? Because I have another
Speaker 2: issue with him three weeks later. Now, mind you, this
Speaker 2: guy is messing with a girl that lives in my house,
Speaker 2: and he steals my drum machine.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 2: I put two and two together way after the fact,
Speaker 2: like you all just tarantinoed your way into my timeline,
Speaker 2: and then I had to put the story together to
Speaker 2: realize what was going on.
Speaker 1: But he also, I have reason to believe that he
Speaker 1: stole one of my drum machines that house probably, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, but that's how that's that's how I had
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: The second Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the second time, Jill was made three grand.
Speaker 2: Entrances in my life before I even started a real conversation.
Speaker 4: With her.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The second one was a little blurry because at the
Speaker 2: time I was at Richmond Dina's house. It was like
Speaker 2: a barbecue whatever, and it was like a spades tournament.
Speaker 2: And one of my greatest shames is also I learned late, right,
Speaker 2: so that that part's a little blurry. But I remember
Speaker 2: Jill there. But the third time with meeting Jill was
Speaker 2: at a poetry slam in West Philadelphia around fifty fourth
Speaker 2: and Baltimore Avenue.
Speaker 4: I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: You don't remember this, no, you all right?
Speaker 2: So I believe either to Peter Mason introduced you, somebody
Speaker 2: a fellow poet introduced you, and you cut her off
Speaker 2: before it was like ladies and gentlemen, we're going to
Speaker 2: bring up someone to the stage, and and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, from the back you went into Jo
Speaker 2: Diesses freaking.
Speaker 1: You from the audience.
Speaker 2: So it was like ladies and gentlemen, Okay, that was
Speaker 2: Ursula Rucker of Richmondina and you know coming up next
Speaker 2: as a sister from North Philadelphia, right, But no, man,
Speaker 2: it was like you know how like Felicia was shot
Speaker 2: over Nazi eight where's like like her last name is Alan,
Speaker 2: like Felicia Airs Allen or Debbie Allen from.
Speaker 1: The back of the room every time I closed, and.
Speaker 2: We lost our ghosts, like who the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: And she's just like slowly walked to the stage. It
Speaker 2: was like our were collectively wagging, like the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: And I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 4: Did I miss out on Jill's sexy poet like whole
Speaker 4: sexual poetry thing?
Speaker 1: That dog? You weren't there for that? No, I heard
Speaker 1: nothing to be fucking yeah. In nineteen ninety nine, I
Speaker 1: think you gotta be in.
Speaker 3: Sixteen Oh pudding.
Speaker 1: Pud' there's a wink in there.
Speaker 2: No, but I believe two three weeks later this is
Speaker 2: when you got me sort of.
Speaker 1: You started coming around the Sigma with Scott.
Speaker 4: So Nope, no, Jill tell a story. No, No, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't remember Baltimaring. It was so much poetry at
Speaker 4: the time. We were everywhere trying to earn fifteen dollars
Speaker 4: anywhere by miss his birthday parties, theaters, libraries. I was everywhere,
Speaker 4: just trying to earn a living as a poet. So
Speaker 4: I really don't remember that. But I do remember the
Speaker 4: night I met Yoe. Now we were on a I'm
Speaker 4: trying to remember the brother's name. He had a small
Speaker 4: record store, and he had closed the record store out
Speaker 4: for the evening so people could read. I think Rich
Speaker 4: might have been DJing.
Speaker 1: That was Rich's spot. Oh, Keith my current my current
Speaker 1: product manager.
Speaker 3: Years later, Yeah, it was Keith. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, in South Philly.
Speaker 4: Yes, so I think we were there, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: And I read something and I came off and you
Speaker 4: said you do you write songs? And I lied, I
Speaker 4: said yes, which I did not do, and you were like, okay, Bet,
Speaker 4: I'm going to hook you up.
Speaker 3: You should come to the studio.
Speaker 4: Had I been to a studio yet? I don't even
Speaker 4: think I had been to a studio anywhere except of
Speaker 4: the night I met you at Aga Sigma Sigma Sound,
Speaker 4: where I met you. That was the first time I
Speaker 4: had ever been in the studio. This will be the second.
Speaker 4: So you hooked me up with Scott Storch, who I
Speaker 4: knew only because I had seen him play in the
Speaker 4: keys at every jam session and every time that I
Speaker 4: saw you guys perform. You know, Scott was there. You
Speaker 4: You asked me if I could write a song. I said, okay,
Speaker 4: didn't know how at all. And we sat there and
Speaker 4: Scott and I got blazed for like, I don't know, like, so.
Speaker 1: You Got Me?
Speaker 4: Was that the first generation? Like you gave him your
Speaker 4: first draft or you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Yeah, there were seven songs, but you got Me.
Speaker 2: I still that cassette You Got Me was number three.
Speaker 2: You worked on seven sketches. You Got Me was number three,
Speaker 2: And when I heard it, I said to myself, this
Speaker 2: song's going to change my life.
Speaker 1: I knew ten seconds in when you sang it.
Speaker 2: I was like, this HiT's going to change my life,
Speaker 2: and instantly ran downstairs to Dave Ivory's room and Scott
Speaker 2: happened to be there, and we just cut it right
Speaker 2: on the spot because I knew. I wanted to get
Speaker 2: it out the way before like Rich and Tariq caught
Speaker 2: demo itis.
Speaker 1: I was like, this song's going to change my life.
Speaker 1: So before Rich.
Speaker 2: And Tarik hear it in its current state and get
Speaker 2: demo itis and be like, Nope, this is the version
Speaker 2: of that we're going to, I was like, let me
Speaker 2: do the drums right now. And then there's there's a
Speaker 2: whole nother like eight hour story of even the Battle
Speaker 2: of drum and bass music at the end of it.
Speaker 4: That was a.
Speaker 2: Dog because then it was like, dude, why are you
Speaker 2: why are you going to ruin the song? Like just
Speaker 2: be like was Rich's whole JOm was like, look, stay
Speaker 2: straight ahead whatever, and I was like, no, this is
Speaker 2: a drumming bass song because initially I wanted to whole
Speaker 2: song to be that, and Rich was like, oh yeah
Speaker 2: that one, keep it straight ahead, and so you know,
Speaker 2: and the compromise of it all was like, Okay, at
Speaker 2: the end, you get your little prize at the in
Speaker 2: the Cereal Box.
Speaker 3: Okay, here, we're still waiting for that part too. Like
Speaker 3: I just knew.
Speaker 4: It was just every time you talk about that story,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say it should have been part two
Speaker 4: to that song. We had part two, part three. We
Speaker 4: ended up having so many versions of the.
Speaker 2: Songs live yeah on the Roots, on the Things Fall
Speaker 2: Apart Box at.
Speaker 4: Two dollars Bill performance. That's probably still one of my
Speaker 4: favorites ever in DC.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: We are, we are, We're jumping the gun. We're in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. Jill Scotty, Where were you born?
Speaker 1: Where are you born.
Speaker 4: At Albert Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: You want to be blue?
Speaker 1: N O r F North Philly.
Speaker 4: Oh N O r F yep, North Philly?
Speaker 1: Where? Okay? Where in? Because North Phillies is anything above.
Speaker 2: Broad Street to me, like Gotts Avenue or like, what
Speaker 2: what's like here in North Philly?
Speaker 3: I'm Lee High? Oh yeah, Lee High, Broad Lee High Avenue.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's banging. Now what was it? Then?
Speaker 3: It was? It was the bottom. Yikes, it was the bottom.
Speaker 1: Then that's near j Street.
Speaker 3: I don't know Jade Street, all right.
Speaker 1: It's.
Speaker 4: In the big shooting Like really, that's many, many, many shootings.
Speaker 4: You know where Dobbins is Dobbins Vocational High School. I
Speaker 4: taught there for a couple of months, but I lived
Speaker 4: around the corner from Dobbins.
Speaker 1: You're a school teacher too.
Speaker 4: I'm an English teacher.
Speaker 2: Wow here Harley new Yee. Okay, so in growing up
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia? Like all right, first of all, how did
Speaker 2: you cause? The thing is that, if you're saying you're
Speaker 2: in North Philly, especially growing up in the eighties, getting
Speaker 2: out of North Philly is an achievement on its own. Yes, indeed, sir,
Speaker 2: So what was life like navigating through North Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: You know what I really you know, I know that
Speaker 4: it was tough. I know that there was there was
Speaker 4: a lot of murders. There were a lot I lost
Speaker 4: a lot of like, well, we all lost a lot
Speaker 4: of young men. Early one summer, we lost like seven
Speaker 4: young guys. You know, I knew them all. They were
Speaker 4: drug dealers, but I you know the drug dealers that
Speaker 4: I knew. They carried my mom's groceries home. You know,
Speaker 4: they wrote me poetry, they said on they said on
Speaker 4: my steps and let me read the Megarall and Poe.
Speaker 4: You know, they were they were sweet to me. And
Speaker 4: I know it seems absurd to some people, but I
Speaker 4: had a very very idyllic uh concept of the hood.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was beautiful. You know. There was neighbors who played
Speaker 4: the guitar and kept their screens open and so you
Speaker 4: could hear it. There were neighbors that everybody swept, you know.
Speaker 4: And then then crack came. Crack came like a thief
Speaker 4: in the night and just destroyed everything good not everything.
Speaker 4: There were still good people around, but it made it
Speaker 4: really hard.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I definitely got shot at. I definitely had to fight
Speaker 4: a lot, and then I thought of ways of trying
Speaker 4: to not hurt anybody because I thought I was going
Speaker 4: to end up in jail if I didn't figure it out. So,
Speaker 4: you know, my mom took me to Juvie. I saw
Speaker 4: some stuff in there and I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: don't have to worry about me. No, she took me
Speaker 4: to juvi Want some scared straight John, Yeah, before there
Speaker 4: was a scared straight. She was like, you should you know,
Speaker 4: I get. She didn't tell me where we were going.
Speaker 4: We just got on the thirty three and we got
Speaker 4: off and ended up in Juvie. It was a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of girls that looked a lot like me, that
Speaker 4: looked like they had been through hell in a basket.
Speaker 4: You know. I heard a couple of horrible stories about
Speaker 4: being in Juvie, and I was like, I'm good. Like
Speaker 4: I had to find a way to survive without fighting,
Speaker 4: without having to defend myself because I don't you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not the kind of person that just puts my
Speaker 4: hands up and we're going to fight and it's over.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know how to stop because I'm kind.
Speaker 4: You know, it might so terrible, but I am I
Speaker 4: don't want to hurt anybody. So I'm in a position
Speaker 4: where in order to survive, I'm going to have to
Speaker 4: hurt somebody pretty badly and they may not make it.
Speaker 3: So I figured out other ways.
Speaker 4: Step to everybody, I don't well, I do, I do.
Speaker 3: I have a sister from my father.
Speaker 1: But you grew up the loon child. Yeah, household.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you didn't have the story of I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get my cousin to fuck you up, like there's none
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 4: My cousins hated. My cousins hated. I could read through
Speaker 4: her words that Jill didn't have a problem being able
Speaker 4: to fight, because that was the problem that you were
Speaker 4: started being good at it.
Speaker 3: It sounded like like you It wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't. I would never call it. I think.
Speaker 3: It was. It was you didn't lose that too often.
Speaker 4: It wasn't. It just wasn't fair. You know, I didn't
Speaker 4: know how to stop. I didn't know how to win
Speaker 4: a fight and stop, So I don't really. I try
Speaker 4: my best not to be in that position, to the
Speaker 4: to the very end, to the bitter end, to the
Speaker 4: you're going to jail in And I didn't want that
Speaker 4: for myself. I was scared of it. So I embraced
Speaker 4: every possible way to be kind and loving and open
Speaker 4: in my hood. So and try at the same time
Speaker 4: not to be a sucker, you know, to get played
Speaker 4: by the crackheads or by the drug dealers. But you know,
Speaker 4: be friendly and be nice and be helpful where you can,
Speaker 4: but not give anybody money because if you give crackheads
Speaker 4: money to come back the next day like a squirrel,
Speaker 4: you know. So you know, trying to find that balance
Speaker 4: to navigate living or dying. And yes, it was very
Speaker 4: hard to get out of North Philly. So I worked
Speaker 4: three jobs and did poetry and hoped that I could
Speaker 4: make some kind of a living. God in Dobbin's High
Speaker 4: School was teaching English. It was dope. I loved it,
Speaker 4: but they weren't very helpful.
Speaker 1: Good got in and subsequently went back there to teach.
Speaker 4: No. I went to girls High okay, but I taught
Speaker 4: at doc events and I realized I wasn't going to
Speaker 4: make any money, which is so foul to this day.
Speaker 4: That I wasn't going to make any money, and I
Speaker 4: wasn't going to have any kind of support. There's no
Speaker 4: support for teachers. My principal told me I was young
Speaker 4: and idealistic and I would get over it and I quit.
Speaker 4: I quit everything that day, like this sucks. There's gotta
Speaker 4: be something else. And then Ozzi Jones, I don't know
Speaker 4: if you got y'all know.
Speaker 3: Izzy, Yes, yes Jones.
Speaker 4: Izzy Jones called me the day I quit everything and said, Yo,
Speaker 4: there's an apprenticeship at the Ardent Theater Company. Do you
Speaker 4: want to try out for it? It's one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty dollars a week. You're gonna end up working somewhere
Speaker 4: between fourteen and sixteen hours a week, but you'll get
Speaker 4: free acting classes and you'll learn everything about theater.
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 4: And I auditioned and I had several meetings and I
Speaker 4: was the oldest and the only black person in the building.
Speaker 4: One thing begat another Yeah.
Speaker 1: So wait, so no freedom theater, none of this stuff
Speaker 1: ever comes into.
Speaker 3: Your No, I wish I couldn't afford.
Speaker 1: Were singing in church as as a young like none of.
Speaker 4: That didn't grow up in church.
Speaker 3: Wait, so that meant that story about you, It was
Speaker 3: a story about you.
Speaker 4: Not being a part of freedom, but that like you
Speaker 4: actually used to help clean up and do stuff around
Speaker 4: the building.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 4: The cleaning up part came later when I was in college.
Speaker 4: But uh, that was that was just because I thought
Speaker 4: it was dope. But I couldn't afford classes. Where you
Speaker 4: go to school Temple, which one I went for two
Speaker 4: years and I took off a year, went for three years,
Speaker 4: took off two years.
Speaker 1: Came back were major.
Speaker 4: No. No, I don't even know how many times I
Speaker 4: went to Temple. I don't.
Speaker 3: It was just a blur, I swear to you.
Speaker 4: I just was trying to finish, to be the one
Speaker 4: in my family who finished school. And you know, they
Speaker 4: ended up giving me a honorary PhD, which I took.
Speaker 5: And I took that, Scott, I went that.
Speaker 4: On my passports so bad, like I don't know how
Speaker 4: to get that done. I'm trying to tell you the first,
Speaker 4: the first degree I earned. After that, they gave me
Speaker 4: the next and the next. Food. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 4: I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: Damn, Jill. I would have I would have known you, yo.
Speaker 4: I got in the creative and performing arts. I really
Speaker 4: would have known you.
Speaker 1: I would have went to Kapa.
Speaker 4: Why got into both schools to girls Hiding and Kappa,
Speaker 4: and I was terrified I was terrified of that neighborhood.
Speaker 4: I was like, I already got enough ship. Now I'm
Speaker 4: going to south neighborhood. I'm scared, like they're gonna kill me.
Speaker 3: They're gonna try to.
Speaker 1: You said that like all day. Julie pronounced A scared
Speaker 1: s K A E R D T scared.
Speaker 4: I was scared. I was like, they're going to kill me.
Speaker 4: I can't go here. That was at the audition, and
Speaker 4: I changed my mind and I got in as a writer.
Speaker 1: You're creative writing major.
Speaker 4: I was a creative I would have.
Speaker 1: The English teacher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been, but I changed my mind
Speaker 4: and went to girls high instead.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. Okay, okay, so wait, did you know
Speaker 1: Sean in high school?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 4: We went on together?
Speaker 1: Manager?
Speaker 3: You know Sean in high school?
Speaker 1: Wow? Said she just said that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we weren't sure.
Speaker 1: You were surely prom day?
Speaker 4: No, we went on a prom together. We all went
Speaker 4: and sat together.
Speaker 1: We were same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many Sean?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: It was me and my date, him and his date
Speaker 4: Court and in his date, so it was six of us.
Speaker 4: That's right. Wow, that's dope. That a story of you
Speaker 4: and Sean, Like what an evolution Oh yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I met him when I was I was fourteen. I
Speaker 4: had to be fourteen or fifteen. I think I might
Speaker 4: have been fifteen. But I got pictures of a young
Speaker 4: showing in my office somewhere.
Speaker 1: We need this black mail material.
Speaker 2: Oh come on, y'all, wait damn I know, wait a
Speaker 2: damn ship because I know Sean's gonna listen to this episode.
Speaker 1: I got some really good on showing.
Speaker 3: You got, you got some tapes, you got some rap tapes?
Speaker 1: What you got?
Speaker 3: What you got?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: I scoured the earth for Showan's record. O, my god,
Speaker 1: are you gonna pull up? All right? Wait, here's the
Speaker 1: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Now, I got it. And he, you know, like he
Speaker 2: sounds like it's straight. He's straight ll eighty five like.
Speaker 3: Right now, fante, he said he talked to his whole style.
Speaker 1: That's what he says sounds.
Speaker 2: But the thing is that Sean was like the family
Speaker 2: star Tarika Fomo because, like, you know, Thanksgiving, Sean asked
Speaker 2: twelve and single out.
Speaker 1: And was getting played on local radio.
Speaker 2: Blowie B was like, you know, and Tarik was like,
Speaker 2: way they get a load of me.
Speaker 1: And then that's what inspired to ree to like step up.
Speaker 4: That Sean and Tica are cousins because most people up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is where it even goes deeper. Angela
Speaker 2: Nissel my Angie, former Okay player, partner in current writer
Speaker 2: at Mixed Dish. One day she asked me for like
Speaker 2: some interstitial rap music, Like do I know, like a
Speaker 2: real cheap, random rap song that's like kind of bad
Speaker 2: from like nineteen eighty five eighty six, like when they
Speaker 2: do a flashback thing like that time back in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then right, And so.
Speaker 2: I was this close to getting that song clear on
Speaker 2: Mixed Dish, but I would have had to I would
Speaker 2: have to been the owner of the publishing to make
Speaker 2: it happen.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, because I wanted to be something where
Speaker 2: like se is just watching TV and it just hurt fem.
Speaker 4: How do I get this?
Speaker 1: Oh, since I get off this phone, I will send
Speaker 1: it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been saving I've been saving this record for
Speaker 2: like the right woman to drop it.
Speaker 1: I save this.
Speaker 3: You know what I want?
Speaker 4: I mean, I want to hear the other six songs
Speaker 4: that Scott and I did. What happened to them? I
Speaker 4: don't know if you have them, but I'm curious because.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my first time with Scott not having Babbage, not
Speaker 5: having baggage, right Babbage, Babbage, Oh Babbage right Babbage?
Speaker 1: Oh real weird?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Scott. Scott was on the whole other level.
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, wait, wow, this is this is wonderful,
Speaker 4: this is a beautiful sensation. Yeah. Yeah, that was Scott's
Speaker 4: at work.
Speaker 2: At what point, even though you didn't have a traditional
Speaker 2: uh experience or community theater experience as most of our
Speaker 2: guests do. Oh, like, where does music play in your
Speaker 2: life for at least the first four miative years? Like
Speaker 2: your first eight years? Like, what was the first record
Speaker 2: you ever brought of? The first concert you went to
Speaker 2: and allowed?
Speaker 3: I said, well, she allowed to have it?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, blowing a dark record player. I was allowed.
Speaker 4: Let's see, I my first record. I don't know the
Speaker 4: first record, but I took the Whiz to my third
Speaker 4: grade show and tell.
Speaker 3: And everybody hated it. I was devastated. I me, something
Speaker 3: was wrong with those people.
Speaker 1: You played the wi.
Speaker 4: And they hated it.
Speaker 2: So you brought the records to school? Yes, and they
Speaker 2: didn't appreciate it as.
Speaker 4: Much at all.
Speaker 3: They thought it was awful.
Speaker 4: They booed I was like, you're all insane. I'm out
Speaker 4: of here.
Speaker 3: I'm not what was your jam on the record?
Speaker 1: Jail?
Speaker 4: Oh Brandon Day. You know how I know how you
Speaker 4: are about the Wiz, Like, yes, the Wiz poster is
Speaker 4: in a frame above my son's toilet.
Speaker 1: I think the Wiz is a great horror movie. Dude.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 1: The Wiz is a hard cell.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: One night, one night, I just I conducted experiment. It
Speaker 2: was one of these nights where where we had like
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving run uh, like a tour. I had Thanksgiving off,
Speaker 2: but not enough to really like plan anything with family.
Speaker 2: So this time I was stuck with a bunch of
Speaker 2: people that I work with. We call them white people,
Speaker 2: and I was wondering when you were to me and
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to see how white people react.
Speaker 1: To the Wiz.
Speaker 3: Oh this is good.
Speaker 1: Yo. It freaked them out.
Speaker 2: It was to them it was like an acid trip,
Speaker 2: like and watching the Wiz through their eyes.
Speaker 1: Then they were like, yo, this is the scariest ship
Speaker 1: we have ever seen.
Speaker 2: Like now as a kid, like watching the Wiz and
Speaker 2: when Eveline's when her nails nails go backwards and get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here man. That was I think
Speaker 2: we were just happening to see black people. I think
Speaker 2: that's what it was. We was like, we got Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: we got Dan A. Ross, Like we're just happened to
Speaker 2: see black people acting.
Speaker 4: But but the force were so perfect. Black man can't
Speaker 4: catch cab in New York City, Yeah, the young woman
Speaker 4: who can't get out of the house, you know, still
Speaker 4: living at home with her mama. You know, all of
Speaker 4: those things that were actually occurring, to poppy fields or
Speaker 4: the hookers on the street, you know all of that.
Speaker 4: It was the metaphors were perfect for the hood. It was.
Speaker 4: It was wonderful. As a writer, I just fell in love.
Speaker 4: And then I met Quincy Jones and was like, I
Speaker 4: just looked on you with the third grade. He was like,
Speaker 4: I hated that. I hated that whole. Charlie, Yeah, Charlie.
Speaker 4: They hated each other. Well, he hated Charlie because.
Speaker 2: It's you know what it was, Okay, as the elder
Speaker 2: statesman of this crew, because you all were three at
Speaker 2: the time when it came out, I'm saying that to
Speaker 2: watch like the morning that it came out, and to
Speaker 2: watch it in its first run, I had to stand.
Speaker 2: I had to stand in line for three and a
Speaker 2: half hours. You remember the Sam Eric say that the
Speaker 2: movies like you saw it. You know, I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, no, no, no, no, the Wiz.
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think now that I'm looking
Speaker 2: in hindsight, the excitement and the build up to what
Speaker 2: The Whiz was was probably better than the movie itself. No, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it was a bad film, because
Speaker 2: this is the thing we have to know, Like Sidney
Speaker 2: Lament technically lost his career after The Whiz, like after
Speaker 2: batting out the Park with like Dark Day Afternoon was
Speaker 2: the one. Yeah, all these other films that he did,
Speaker 2: I think he did Cerproco and The Wiz was seen
Speaker 2: as a failure now, you know. And I also have
Speaker 2: issues with how black films are judged by non black critics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by higher level.
Speaker 2: So I know that there is also points off of
Speaker 2: that of just craulually not understanding got Tony.
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we talking about it?
Speaker 2: I know, but The Wiz is a hard cell now
Speaker 2: recently watching it.
Speaker 1: It's a hard cell.
Speaker 2: Recently watching it, I realized what Jill was saying, like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of the Whiz could also be like
Speaker 2: a self esteem motivational package, because I saw it in
Speaker 2: a whole different light now post therapy, life coach and
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3: I see the lessons alive. You're standing straw.
Speaker 1: Steve. Have you ever seen I saw The Wiz and
Speaker 1: I saw the sequel Whiz Wit. Wait what I thought
Speaker 1: that joke would do better? I don't say there's a
Speaker 1: try to keep up reloaded.
Speaker 4: I wanted another one. I really I still want another one,
Speaker 4: but it couldn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's the second what's this plot line of
Speaker 2: the Wiz?
Speaker 1: What's the second? What would be the next the sequel
Speaker 1: in the Wiz? Like, what's the storyline?
Speaker 4: It would have to be a lost Dorothy. A lost
Speaker 4: Dorothy meaning she doesn't know who she is or how
Speaker 4: to be. She's trapped in a world where she's uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know, weaved out and uh contacted and what
Speaker 4: it may be. But I think I think there's a
Speaker 4: lot of like that going on.
Speaker 1: Version of Wicked, just like they have it now.
Speaker 3: You know, I love Wicked. That was because it was
Speaker 3: so good. The sequel to the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 2: Was like, Yeah, what's better the movie or the soundtrack.
Speaker 4: For the Wiz. Yeah, I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 1: The movie because there's dancing allans. Soundtrack doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: unless you've seen the movie.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because the soundtrack is technically a story.
Speaker 2: It's a movie without visuals, which is why I think
Speaker 2: it was a hard sell for Jill to get a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of third kids, third and fourth grade class.
Speaker 1: Home teachers playing for them.
Speaker 4: No I was a student.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, they booed live anywhere. Y'all think home
Speaker 3: can live anywhere?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what does that mean?
Speaker 3: What does home mean of the song? I'm just saying
Speaker 3: the song, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Anywhere, anytime, anybody. But I wouldn't want to see. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to see like pop stars sing it. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to see I would like to see, like,
Speaker 4: grab some folks out of Juilliard, you know, and have
Speaker 4: them portray these incredible people to make it stick to
Speaker 4: it has ribs, you know, not just you know, fancy characters.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that. I would like to
Speaker 4: I would like Dorothy to have guts. I would like
Speaker 4: her to be afraid.
Speaker 2: What was it like for you to perform in front
Speaker 2: of Michael Jackson at the thirtieth anniversary performance or was
Speaker 2: that just a weird experience altogether?
Speaker 4: It was a very strange experience. I got there and honestly,
Speaker 4: it felt like nobody was there about before Michael Jackson,
Speaker 4: no one, And that bothered me a lot because I
Speaker 4: had turned down a role with Denzel Washington to be
Speaker 4: there because I really really wanted to honor Michael Jackson
Speaker 4: and I was doing the Whiz, so it meant a
Speaker 4: lot to me. And I got there and it just
Speaker 4: felt like nobody was about it, like nobody was really
Speaker 4: there to honor him. And I remember getting on stage
Speaker 4: and now they've added other people to this performance, which
Speaker 4: really frustrated me too, great artists, but I just that's
Speaker 4: not what I had in mind. And anyway, long.
Speaker 1: Story short, was your idea was to do? What to do?
Speaker 4: You can't win? To have the scarecrows, the whole thing,
Speaker 4: the dancing. I think they had Fatima on board at
Speaker 4: the time to choreograph the thing. I wanted to present
Speaker 4: him the Whiz, you know, the way that he did
Speaker 4: it as best as I could with all of my heart.
Speaker 4: And uh, that didn't work out. They kept adding other
Speaker 4: people and then added something from the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 4: to honor e Liza Minelli, who was his homegirl. And
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck? And I got on
Speaker 4: stage and I looked to the left and there was
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson. He he was paper white. It wasn't like
Speaker 4: it wasn't any kind of human white he was. He
Speaker 4: was paper white. And I didn't want to look anymore.
Speaker 4: I was like trying to hold back tears during the
Speaker 4: performance because he was sitting Liza uh not e Liza
Speaker 4: Manlly Taylor was sitting on one side of him, and
Speaker 4: Macaulay Coffin was sitting on the other. He he just
Speaker 4: didn't even look like a person. He was there. But
Speaker 4: when I tell you that color was not a people color,
Speaker 4: it just it was. It hurt me. It hurt me.
Speaker 4: And I get off stage and I'm all upset. I'm
Speaker 4: so upset, and everybody's so happy. I feels crazy. When
Speaker 4: you're in the midst of this business and something impacts
Speaker 4: you in a way, you know, you're, yeah, in the
Speaker 4: midst of it. Like so I get off stage and
Speaker 4: everybody's celebrating and how great that was, And I can't
Speaker 4: even hear them. And then I turn my head and
Speaker 4: there's Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston, and why Bobby, I
Speaker 4: mean Whitney Houston, God rest her soul walks over and
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get myself together, and I look down
Speaker 4: and all I could think was that her her knees
Speaker 4: were bigger than and her thighs. My heart is racing,
Speaker 4: and I just I cried the rest of the night.
Speaker 4: I just I just could not stop crying. I could
Speaker 4: not get myself together because these are people that I
Speaker 4: admired and respected and wanted them to be okay, you know,
Speaker 4: I wanted them to be healthy and and thrive, and
Speaker 4: they just weren't. They just they just weren't.
Speaker 1: What year was this.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and one and the next day eleven, The
Speaker 4: next day was nine to eleven one.
Speaker 1: Because I know that there were I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, I only had I did one and then
Speaker 4: I saw it. It was on TV one night years later,
Speaker 4: and I wasn't even in it, and I was like,
Speaker 4: did you ever get to circle back? And like did
Speaker 4: you ever speak with him? Did you ever get to
Speaker 4: have contact with Michael? I just talked to him on
Speaker 4: the phone he called me one time to say that
Speaker 4: he liked me, and you know, that was it. I
Speaker 4: was on tour and and he just called to say
Speaker 4: that he liked me, and he was gonna send me
Speaker 4: a hat that I never got. Yeah, I didn't. I
Speaker 4: didn't like that Michael Jackson thing. I know, you don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm you've had.
Speaker 4: You must have had quite a few moments of like
Speaker 4: those industry clarity moments. I know Fonte has them all
Speaker 4: the time too, when you just like.
Speaker 3: This is where I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Man, you mean as far as diminished returns are concerned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the reality of this reality.
Speaker 2: So how long is it before it kicks into you? Now,
Speaker 2: I got into an unfortunate place where the only way
Speaker 2: that I could navigate my way through those disappointments was
Speaker 2: to then lower myself and lower my spirit to a
Speaker 2: place where I constantly just came in enough to be
Speaker 2: disappointed exactly, which is really putting a band aid over
Speaker 2: a bullet wound because it might help cope with that moment,
Speaker 2: But in the long run, that didn't service like my
Speaker 2: soul or my being and enjoying life and that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, because then, I mean, you do that for
Speaker 2: ten years, and then you become cynical, and then you
Speaker 2: become evil, and then you become I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: levels of low self esteem and all that stuff. So
Speaker 2: I mean, how long was it until, like, for you,
Speaker 2: was there ever a point where you're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: all my idols might disappoint me, or let me not
Speaker 2: meet them and let me not take this phone call
Speaker 2: or have this lunch with this person. You know, I
Speaker 2: didn't even know you could have access to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, you had Prince.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Meeting him was a very big be careful for what
Speaker 2: you ask for it because I meant, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it wasn't idea. I mean we had great moments where
Speaker 2: it was fun and it was like everything I dreamed
Speaker 2: about playing with my idol.
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of I mean you've seen
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of moments that were like, ah, man,
Speaker 2: it was better off in my head, the idea of
Speaker 2: my head of Prince than what I got dealt with.
Speaker 4: There are a couple of things. One is I'm really
Speaker 4: grateful that I grew up as a Jehovah's witness. I
Speaker 4: had posters of new addition on my wall.
Speaker 3: I loved them.
Speaker 4: I talked to them my grandmother. I came home one
Speaker 4: day and my grandmother took all my posters down and
Speaker 4: she said, you're idolizing these boys. And I was like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not, No, I'm not. And she's like, you're in
Speaker 4: there talking to them and telling them how you feel.
Speaker 3: They're they're painful.
Speaker 4: No man is above you and no man is beneath you.
Speaker 4: I was devastating. I didn't like my grandmother for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: That's real shit. Shit, Yeah, they cost you twenty bucks.
Speaker 4: This is the shits of it all. You have these
Speaker 4: dreams and you have these ideas of what the world
Speaker 4: is supposed to be like, and it is what it is.
Speaker 3: So what do I do.
Speaker 4: I take the good wherever I can find it, and
Speaker 4: I hold on to that as hard as I can.
Speaker 4: That's all I can do.
Speaker 3: The rest.
Speaker 4: I see it for what it is, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'll forgive it for because it's whack. You know, I'll
Speaker 4: just forgive it because just cousin keep pushing. There's no
Speaker 4: need to hold on to that shit. It's disturbing and disappointing.
Speaker 2: But you know has there been times in your career
Speaker 2: where it may have been someone that you met, like
Speaker 2: a younger artist or just anyone where you think you
Speaker 2: may have came across the wrong way to them and
Speaker 2: kind of in the disappointment of them, and you had
Speaker 2: to kind of go back and clear up and be like, yo,
Speaker 2: I didn't really mean it that way, or whatever, like
Speaker 2: have you ever found yourself on that side of the transaction.
Speaker 4: I'm certain. I'm certain because I'm not, you know, perfect,
Speaker 4: I'm certain that they caught me in the middle of
Speaker 4: something and I'm trying to deal, just to deal. I
Speaker 4: remember this is a you know, an advanced artist.
Speaker 3: But I saw sha Ka Khan. I was so excited.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.
Speaker 3: You please love me so much.
Speaker 4: And we're at the Grammys. I think I won that time.
Speaker 4: So I'm walking around like, oh ship, you know, I
Speaker 4: want to write shoes. I wore flip flops. You know,
Speaker 4: my feet don't hurts, so my personality is good, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. And one of her folks comes over
Speaker 4: to me and they're like, miss miss Khan is upset
Speaker 4: with you. I said, Miss Khan, who is a Shakaka
Speaker 4: is upset with me, so I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 4: going over there to find out because it's Shaka Khana
Speaker 4: and I love her. So I go over there and
Speaker 4: she was like, you called me a beast and.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I'm glad you clear up.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I had the good sense to
Speaker 4: go over there. We laughed hysterically. I was like, you
Speaker 4: know what I end, but.
Speaker 3: Whatever, Like who got the goal to say that? Ship
Speaker 3: to you? Ms conn for real? And me me?
Speaker 4: You know, how could I call? I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, this is this is crazy but very funny.
Speaker 3: These things happen. These things happen.
Speaker 2: What are the what are the beginning steps that starts
Speaker 2: with you getting your record deal?
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, First of all, can you clear up something?
Speaker 2: I'll try What was is Hidden Beach Michael Jordan's label?
Speaker 2: And I'm only asking this because I'm so obsessed with
Speaker 2: the ESPN thirty for thirty Michael Jordan's last dance documentary thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah I was.
Speaker 2: I think I was told that Hidden Beach was his
Speaker 2: label or something like like what is what was Hidden Beach?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Hidden Beach?
Speaker 4: Steve Keith and Michael Jordan invested. It was I think,
Speaker 4: like the major investor in the face of.
Speaker 3: At the time.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if if Steve or Michael, if Michael
Speaker 2: like started the label and then had him running or whatever.
Speaker 4: No, but it was it was incredible to be around him.
Speaker 4: And uh, he certainly put me in really nice rooms. Sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he kind of liked me a little bit. And I
Speaker 4: was glad I got a chance to see some things
Speaker 4: and taste some things I didn't know existed. I was like,
Speaker 4: what is this you say, don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my buddies, a buddy mine from down here,
Speaker 2: Charles Whitfield, he was around that time. And yeah, I've
Speaker 2: heard a lot of those stories, the m J stories a.
Speaker 3: While, parties, he was parties, all that.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Bulet.
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me.
Speaker 3: Later what the Bulet? Oh, the Bulet is the black
Speaker 3: scaling bones.
Speaker 1: And bones and you know, the like Illuminati.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Black they called the Bulet. Didn't want me, Okay,
Speaker 3: they didn't want me. They recruiting one of my DC friends.
Speaker 1: Bill.
Speaker 3: That's not for you to know, my friend.
Speaker 1: Clearly, thank you.
Speaker 2: You don't know, Bill, I don't want to join society.
Speaker 3: It's the black the black skull.
Speaker 1: And black skull boats.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: They never wanted me ever, No, I didn't get the form.
Speaker 1: I didn't get my bulet.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's real quiet because it's in it.
Speaker 1: Listen, be in it. Tell us jif so, you've known
Speaker 1: Amir for a long time, longer than you know of us.
Speaker 1: Have God, you see him evolve? Who is the who
Speaker 1: is the person?
Speaker 3: You met?
Speaker 1: You this question? She's next? How have you seen?
Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, in the in the beginning, he was so quiet.
Speaker 4: He hardly ever said anything to me. He barely ever
Speaker 4: looked me in the face. And you in my line,
Speaker 4: you hardly ever looked me in the face. And I
Speaker 4: was coming in and give me a hug, give me
Speaker 4: a hug. And I had to, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Actually.
Speaker 4: Five years ago we were more lovely than you were.
Speaker 3: Rich was a lovey.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, you know.
Speaker 4: Do you remember you had played? I was on the
Speaker 4: road with you guys. You had played or something, and
Speaker 4: you were really tired, and I was like, well, let
Speaker 4: me massage your ankles. Do you remember this? And I
Speaker 4: came to your room and massaged your ankles, and you
Speaker 4: fell asleep.
Speaker 1: That's my jail.
Speaker 3: By the way, were like, I don't even let my
Speaker 3: fucker see my ankles.
Speaker 1: He's very sexy.
Speaker 4: He allowed me that time and he rested, and which
Speaker 4: is what I hope for. He seems so stressed and tired,
Speaker 4: and I was like, ankles.
Speaker 3: It is rare. Amir did not rest So that was
Speaker 3: a big right, Okay, I have massaged.
Speaker 4: A lot of people in this lifetime.
Speaker 1: Just I wish I remembered this.
Speaker 4: It's just like you forgot.
Speaker 1: I think I can help.
Speaker 3: It's not there.
Speaker 4: I just think I can help.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, side note, side note because wait, wait, side note,
Speaker 2: because the first time that Erica tells the story of
Speaker 2: didn't you know, she said the same thing about Dylan
Speaker 2: and I hit him. I'm like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 2: had a massage by eric a bad when you was
Speaker 2: making like she was massaging him as he was cutting up,
Speaker 2: chopping up the sample, the blue sample.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't remember it happening like that, though
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It was anything but sweetness. It was good, and which good.
Speaker 2: I'm probably the happiest place in my life right now. Uh, Jill,
Speaker 2: So that look you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Take that on paid Bill sho a
Speaker 1: sweat your ward motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Though, So now that we did all the soft and
Speaker 4: can I just ask because the story, because I know
Speaker 4: that Jill ended up on tour singer you got Me?
Speaker 3: But how did we get.
Speaker 4: To the point of the different vocalist? And then I
Speaker 4: want to know?
Speaker 1: Okay, so on the verses, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I want to hear yours.
Speaker 1: Here's so.
Speaker 2: What I remember was Joe and I had a lunch date.
Speaker 2: And do you remember us going to Copas two on
Speaker 2: South Street.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jill.
Speaker 2: Jill is one of six people whose demo I actually
Speaker 2: listened to and actually liked, like envy that it wasn't mine.
Speaker 1: The other and I've said the story before.
Speaker 2: The other acts were blow Slim Village, little Brother, Jill Scott,
Speaker 2: Georgia m Maldreu. She's been around along that Jay Davy.
Speaker 1: No I heard it.
Speaker 4: I never let you forget. He told me I would
Speaker 4: never sell a record. No no no no.
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no.
Speaker 1: I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot.
Speaker 2: Now, first of all, this is me, that is met.
Speaker 2: Does that sound like me or that's sound like Rich Nichols.
Speaker 3: That was you.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you shut up, Steve Wowe.
Speaker 2: Wait, Jill, you brought this up. Before you brought this up.
Speaker 2: You brought this up, and I and I have issue
Speaker 2: with this. I don't think I ever said that.
Speaker 1: Alternate fact.
Speaker 2: No, listen, I remember sitting at the table you handed
Speaker 2: me your your your discmand Yes it was.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: I still have that, by the way, And.
Speaker 2: I remember first I was like, wait a minute, there's
Speaker 2: someone else in Philadelphia making music.
Speaker 1: First of all, I was m vias of the tracks
Speaker 1: because I didn't know.
Speaker 3: You are skating around this one song. I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to get that.
Speaker 1: Not no no, no, no no no, I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 2: But this starts at Copas. It starts at Copas. And
Speaker 2: she said that. I said never. I don't think that ever.
Speaker 1: Like Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm the king, Jill, I'm the king of
Speaker 2: my thoughts and my words being on the opposite sides
Speaker 2: of the town. But I don't think there's ever a
Speaker 2: time in life in which I was not your biggest fan.
Speaker 3: So why is it not her a eve?
Speaker 5: I'm just just.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, but Jill, No, no, no, But Jill has always
Speaker 2: said that in the beginning, I wasn't fully supportive and
Speaker 2: I said that she would never sell anything, only because
Speaker 2: I don't think that I thought that, or maybe I
Speaker 2: just thought like, oh, this is so good that maybe mainstream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: That mainstream audience won't get this, but I was instantly
Speaker 2: in love with it.
Speaker 1: I've heard this story about baduism. I haven't heard it
Speaker 1: about Jill.
Speaker 4: Damn. You told her she wouldn't make it without you.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: What I heard what you saying? I've read in the magazine.
Speaker 2: It was I think it was Vibe or something you
Speaker 2: heard about the wism and you were like, yo, I
Speaker 2: like it, but will you know the hood get it?
Speaker 1: We'll just right.
Speaker 2: I think the things that I love isn't necessarily palatable
Speaker 2: to mainstream America, and that I was wrong. So maybe
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to say, but I in
Speaker 2: no way was I not. I want to I want
Speaker 2: to repaint this history between you and I, Jill Scott
Speaker 2: and saving the record that I was your I mean,
Speaker 2: if I took a lunch date with you about your music.
Speaker 2: I've never invited no one to the studio but you,
Speaker 2: and that includes D'Angelo and Erica and anyone else I've
Speaker 2: worked with.
Speaker 1: You're literally the lone human being. Angelo. He just didn't
Speaker 1: show up left.
Speaker 2: So all right, now you know I heard that quote.
Speaker 2: I was listening to the episode that quote. It's an
Speaker 2: inside joke, all right. So now for Liea's story. All right,
Speaker 2: So the story you got me is I hear it
Speaker 2: and instantly know that this is going to change my life.
Speaker 2: I run downstairs from Joe Tarcia's room where Scott's playing
Speaker 2: it for me.
Speaker 1: Me, Scott and.
Speaker 2: Rich are listened to the results of him and Jill,
Speaker 2: and we're like, that's the one. And instantly I told
Speaker 2: Scott stop playing it because I don't want Rich getting demo.
Speaker 1: As we ran downstairs, I did it.
Speaker 2: So the German bassed argument was probably like a three
Speaker 2: day thing, and I was like, okay, great, I'll just
Speaker 2: do it the regular way. I won't put any fancy,
Speaker 2: spancy things on it, and I'll do it.
Speaker 1: We do the song. It's fucking awesome. So we go
Speaker 1: to New York and this is what Reek's vocals on
Speaker 1: and everything is done and done? Or is it just
Speaker 1: the best? You know what I think?
Speaker 2: I think he struggled with the last verse, so I know,
Speaker 2: all right, So we have other issues going on.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: Communication in the roots band in the nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: wasn't too.
Speaker 1: Much all motherfuckers? Why but we know.
Speaker 2: There's something that you guys don't know. Communication and the
Speaker 2: roots band here isn't two ideas. So here's the all right,
Speaker 2: so snack number one and you got me? Okay number one.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've we've made it very public. Malik's codependency
Speaker 2: problems now becoming a major problem for the band. There
Speaker 2: have been situations of fights and money.
Speaker 1: And all this stuff, and it's sort of like, well
Speaker 1: is he or is he? What's he doing? Is he
Speaker 1: drinking too much? Da da da da?
Speaker 2: And then you see vals of white powder and shit
Speaker 2: and so we're dealing with that type of drama. So
Speaker 2: something happens that gets us kicked out of Sigma because
Speaker 2: of Malik.
Speaker 1: So now Vocal Vocal.
Speaker 2: Headquarters are now at Larry Golds at the studio. So
Speaker 2: problem number one is we're not all in the same
Speaker 2: place at the same time, working and interacting. So now
Speaker 2: it's like a factory. Joe Tarcia still likes me because
Speaker 2: of his history with my father, so sort of like
Speaker 2: a mirror. You can stay, but you know, Malick and
Speaker 2: all his running buddies and all that stuff. They gotta
Speaker 2: do right. So all music's being tracked at Sigma and
Speaker 2: then we send them to Seventh and Cala Hill to
Speaker 2: the studio to be recorded. So while that's happening, there's
Speaker 2: also a third factor is mixing. So between mixing with
Speaker 2: the Axual NEOs and Bob Power. So in the morning
Speaker 2: I'm tracking, and then the evening I'm mixing in New York.
Speaker 2: Suddenly I'm getting these tapes and I'm hearing this girl
Speaker 2: like wait, and I'm calling Rich like wait, who's this
Speaker 2: female voice on track fourteen doing ad libs? And he
Speaker 2: was like, you know that girl, Eve, that's her, and
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, man, come on.
Speaker 3: Oh I even have a part in the ear.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: She was Wow, that's no, that.
Speaker 1: Was Rique em Mail and come on.
Speaker 2: And I mean, look, by this point and we're we're
Speaker 2: totally skipping over, like the jam sessions that are happening
Speaker 2: at the house and everyone being at the house. So
Speaker 2: Jill's a presence, Jaguars a presence, the jazzy fan Nazis
Speaker 2: are a presence, News a presence. Uh occasionally, you know,
Speaker 2: ten year old Jasmine Sullivan's the presence and at some
Speaker 2: point then suddenly it's like okay, Eve. And at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, it was like her and her girlfriends that
Speaker 2: she was stripping with or whatever, like they come to
Speaker 2: the crib Malex bringing over these dudes.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They putting a ship out of my carpet.
Speaker 1: I mean Beanie and and and yeah.
Speaker 2: Chris and Nathan those guys, but I don't know them
Speaker 2: from a cannapign and they're putting it out of my carpet.
Speaker 2: So I started hating the jam sessions. So once it
Speaker 2: hit me, wait, wait, this is this is the stripper joint,
Speaker 2: like the joint with the short hair that's on this record.
Speaker 2: And Rich was like yeah, and now I'm like a man,
Speaker 2: we're about to do that, like come to the studio
Speaker 2: and I'm like this is this is Like I don't
Speaker 2: know how I feel about Like no, one had a
Speaker 2: meeting with me about people on the record, So that's
Speaker 2: where communications started getting bad. So that was ain't saying
Speaker 2: nothing new. So it's like, okay, I'll put her ad
Speaker 2: libs down because I'm just like, no one had a
Speaker 2: conversation with me about it, so you got me time.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, wait a minute, who's this rhyming on
Speaker 1: the thing?
Speaker 2: And it was the same situation, and I was just
Speaker 2: like yo, like y'all just putting people on this record
Speaker 2: and not saying shit like this is our hit, Like
Speaker 2: now we got we already have a voice on here,
Speaker 2: and now what now another person is doing around like
Speaker 2: this is our one chance to hit this ball out
Speaker 2: the park.
Speaker 1: There can only be one unknown and now there's like
Speaker 1: four entities and like what do we do?
Speaker 2: So that shit caused like a three week debate argument whatever.
Speaker 2: So we get the song done, we're playing we're playing
Speaker 2: it for MCA, and now they're like, okay, we believe
Speaker 2: in the song, but you know, the girl sings good,
Speaker 2: but we've like you should have a name to really
Speaker 2: do that, and we're like no, like.
Speaker 1: This, she's killing the ship. She's killing the ship.
Speaker 2: So then it became a group meeting of like you
Speaker 2: got me just started to be a nightmare to deal with.
Speaker 2: Tarik didn't have a third verse. Now it's like, wait,
Speaker 2: so now we gotta or who's going to tell Jill?
Speaker 1: Who told you Jill?
Speaker 4: No one, No, nobody told me?
Speaker 3: Wow, nobody told me?
Speaker 1: Guys mump at new Flash.
Speaker 2: Communication it wasn't the best Wait.
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to I want to make an announcement.
Speaker 1: I want to make an announcement.
Speaker 2: Communication was never the strong points.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like a mean spirited thing.
Speaker 2: It was more just like, oh, he'll do it, or
Speaker 2: he'll do it, or I got other ship to worry about.
Speaker 3: That's Jill when she heard it, I.
Speaker 1: Remember, all right, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 2: Really, their logic was like yo, you know I've heard
Speaker 2: stories of like well she wasn't marketable d D. This
Speaker 2: to them was like this is, yeah, she sings great,
Speaker 2: but she's unknown. And Berna hand beats too in the
Speaker 2: push and Eric about you said yes and you gotta
Speaker 2: do it, And then me and Bob Power and Tarique
Speaker 2: we flew to Dallas, which at that point she was
Speaker 2: literally it was still I think we did.
Speaker 1: You got me?
Speaker 2: Maybe early ninety eight, because I know that Dre three thousand.
Speaker 2: When we got to the studio, Erica just finished whatever
Speaker 2: she was singing on Outcast's Liberation, so a quim and
Speaker 2: I wasn't out yet, so I feel like this is
Speaker 2: early ninety eight.
Speaker 1: We get there, we do it.
Speaker 2: It was cool, but I didn't have the fire in
Speaker 2: my soul that I felt with Jill's version. At one
Speaker 2: point midway, Erica stopped and said, yo, her version is jamming, Yo, Like,
Speaker 2: why don't y'all just use her version? And I was
Speaker 2: about to agree, and Rich was like, you know, Rich's
Speaker 2: whole thing is like, look, let's let's say be it
Speaker 2: like just attempted a few times in Revenue and you
Speaker 2: don't work with it. If it doesn't work, then da
Speaker 2: da da da da. But knowing good and well, like
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving here without without your vocal, without this version,
Speaker 2: because I ready to give it.
Speaker 3: To play it a mirror, a mir who gets to
Speaker 3: play it this week? Who should get to play it
Speaker 3: this week?
Speaker 1: On versus First of all, with this episode, even be it.
Speaker 3: Does not matter, people will still want to know.
Speaker 4: I just need to know this is after this just yes,
Speaker 4: this would be afterwards, but still who gets who gets
Speaker 4: the right to put.
Speaker 2: Well, there's two versions of you Got Me, so Erica
Speaker 2: can play her version from being's small part and from
Speaker 2: bell part. I say, I say, I would say it's.
Speaker 3: Because you did opera, jazz blues, no anybody, that's that's
Speaker 3: a whole.
Speaker 4: It's long, it is long.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Jill's version of you You Got Me is also one of
Speaker 2: the things fall apart.
Speaker 1: It is twentieth anniversary. It is I think that's rather cute.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I was gonna say. I think two things. One,
Speaker 1: I think Jill.
Speaker 2: Should get to play it because she wrote it. Two,
Speaker 2: I would like to offer my hot take the complexity.
Speaker 2: Complexity is a far better song than You Got Me.
Speaker 1: That's just me. Let's start.
Speaker 2: That's complexity because I must give Jill props with complexity
Speaker 2: because complexity is a very hard word to sing, and
Speaker 2: you would not said it that so well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, complexity is my joint. That's like my favorite
Speaker 1: roots Jill joint. I love that fucking song. You know
Speaker 1: what weird We knock that often like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: I remember it's knocking out very quickly and me actually
Speaker 2: thinking like wow, this was not the like, thank god,
Speaker 2: this wasn't the drama that you got me? Was?
Speaker 1: There was there.
Speaker 4: Lyrics to complexity. When I came in, I don't remember no.
Speaker 1: But it just hit me. It just hit me.
Speaker 2: You were one of the fourteen for the you Oh
Speaker 2: my god, we did you know what? Complexity was so
Speaker 2: easy it made me forget the drama that was that
Speaker 2: you got me or now you got me to break
Speaker 2: you off?
Speaker 1: To break you.
Speaker 4: Remember that?
Speaker 2: And you know what's weird? E, this is so weird
Speaker 2: to say this on the air. Jill, you wrote that
Speaker 2: bridge break you Off? I forgot she wrote that?
Speaker 3: Did she get that crut?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking about that right now, Like wait
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 3: Now is your time for all apologies that you have to.
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: I get to Actually I could do a whole episode
Speaker 2: alone on the drama that was break you Off. By
Speaker 2: the time it got to Jill, it wasn't even break
Speaker 2: you off. It was magic Foster whatever it was, your your.
Speaker 1: Metaphor magic false magic.
Speaker 4: Yea wait, Jill, you don't remember it, like like an
Speaker 4: old Jill Scott poem.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know the second part, you know the
Speaker 2: second part that the second part.
Speaker 1: Of the song that music sings baby, right.
Speaker 2: He changed the words, but that was that was Jill's course,
Speaker 2: and it was like it was it was some sort
Speaker 2: of metaphorical uh definition of whatever, like i'll you know,
Speaker 2: i'll stroke something and then your FOSSi turned.
Speaker 4: You know, I wrote that.
Speaker 2: Well, the only part they kept was the baby, baby baby,
Speaker 2: and then you're it's we're different.
Speaker 1: But I think I think carbon.
Speaker 3: It sounds foreign to you.
Speaker 4: I think magic, fawcet, elementary.
Speaker 2: No you you break you off. Started with weird enough
Speaker 2: Keky Wyatt to read, all right, Who's who's the guy
Speaker 2: that invented the King of Comedy? Uh no, no no,
Speaker 2: but uh the guy that that promoted the other black
Speaker 2: Steve Marves, not bi.
Speaker 1: Al Hayman.
Speaker 2: But whoever that guy is that? I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: Will Packard of kind of for the comedy. He's the
Speaker 2: reason why Harvey, Steve Harvey and Mack and and all those,
Speaker 2: etcric the entertainers are the stars they are now. He's
Speaker 2: the one that threw the Kings of Comedy that Spike shot.
Speaker 2: He had an idea to have a black SNL and
Speaker 2: we shot that, uh that pilot in two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: and it was like, the Roots were the house band.
Speaker 1: Think of SNL.
Speaker 2: We shot a blown up with earthquake and whoever the
Speaker 2: black comedians were that were popping at the time shot
Speaker 2: this thing, and the Roots were the house band, and
Speaker 2: Kiki Whatt and Music were sitting in with us and
Speaker 2: just fucking around.
Speaker 1: That's how it break you off gets birthed. And it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, that song we didn't sound check. That
Speaker 1: was pretty cool and let's let's do it.
Speaker 2: And so then it went for music to I think
Speaker 2: Alicia had showed us up seven times, and then Joe
Speaker 2: Lavert did his version, who he technically did the best version.
Speaker 1: I want to Jill.
Speaker 2: Wrote it, and then that didn't work out, and then
Speaker 2: I think, yep, that was my plan.
Speaker 1: I can se.
Speaker 4: That was my plan. It was also Frankie.
Speaker 3: Beverly, No no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: I had three George Benson, Geraldiver does Frankie Beverly.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That was when I was twelve.
Speaker 4: That was my list twelve.
Speaker 3: That mustache, but okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't really do mature old fast.
Speaker 4: I thought he was fabulous because.
Speaker 1: I wasn't twelve years old. Think about fucking Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 2: When I was right, right, right, yeah, but yeah, that
Speaker 2: song went around the world. Then then it went to
Speaker 2: Blaud's version was the most curious because he was crying
Speaker 2: on his version.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: And then somehow just wound up back to break you off.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so by the time all that was
Speaker 2: done then, yeah, complexity was done in like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: So I love that song. I love that song.
Speaker 4: I like it when it's it's easy like that, when
Speaker 4: it's you don't even think about it, it's just happening.
Speaker 4: That's so fun, and then you go on to the
Speaker 4: next thing. So how did I hear about it? I
Speaker 4: was on twenty second Street. I was in North Philly.
Speaker 4: I think I think I was probably headed to my
Speaker 4: theater job. I don't know, I'm not sure, probably, And
Speaker 4: it was coming out of one of the hair beauty
Speaker 4: supply places.
Speaker 3: It was on you know how the wa It was
Speaker 3: on the radio when I heard it, When she heard
Speaker 3: a radio.
Speaker 4: When I heard it for the first.
Speaker 1: Time, we are horrible, we trash. Wait, wait, she's.
Speaker 3: Still We played the record on the radio.
Speaker 1: Wait, no, no, on the It.
Speaker 4: Came out of the stores on twenty second Street. I
Speaker 4: was coming to getting probably a perm or something, and
Speaker 4: I was walking from the beauty supply place. It was
Speaker 4: coming out of every store and I heard the beginning
Speaker 4: and I got all excited. I was like, oh, ship
Speaker 4: my my inner you know, my inner self. I'm just
Speaker 4: so pleased and nobody knows. And I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, and even when it comes on, nobody's gonna
Speaker 4: know it's me. I'm so excited. And then I heard
Speaker 4: a voice that was not my own, and I was like,
Speaker 4: that's Erica and I'm looking, there's nobody to talk to.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything. You know, I don't know anybody.
Speaker 4: I can't share this story with anybody. So yet, I mean,
Speaker 4: I were cell phones. I just think. I think. I
Speaker 4: just walked to the end of the block. And by
Speaker 4: the time I got there, I was like, Eric, aby
Speaker 4: do is singing my song?
Speaker 3: Okay, my song?
Speaker 4: No? No? I I as a writer to go from
Speaker 4: ZIP to a Grammy Award winning singer singing your song
Speaker 4: like I was like, I'm in, I'm in. I can't
Speaker 4: even deny that. And then you guys were like, well,
Speaker 4: let's take her on the road. And then I had
Speaker 4: that horrible lawyer who tried to gank y'all for all
Speaker 4: of this money. It was horrible. Luckily we were able
Speaker 4: to work that out.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was terrible. She was just trying to bleed
Speaker 4: you dry to sing a hook to one song. I
Speaker 4: didn't do anything else but sing one hook. And then
Speaker 4: you took me on the road and and treated me
Speaker 4: like a newbie and left me in Paris.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that came through. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you heard that.
Speaker 1: Wait what happened? They Pis?
Speaker 4: There was a ticket at the desk for me to
Speaker 4: go home. Luckily, luckily, I got the ticket and had
Speaker 4: to figure out how to get to the airport, because
Speaker 4: you know the French, they don't like it if you
Speaker 4: don't see French. Straight out of fact that I found
Speaker 4: a way to get through the airport. Through the airport
Speaker 4: at the time, they didn't have English translation on anything
Speaker 4: in the French airport. In the Paris airport, you could.
Speaker 4: You could left my ass in Paris, and I learned everything.
Speaker 4: I learned everything from you. I'm gonna say I'm mayor,
Speaker 4: but from the roots I learned how I don't want
Speaker 4: to travel. I learned how I don't I don't know
Speaker 4: about how you are now. But they put me in
Speaker 4: a hotel that it was across the street from their hotel.
Speaker 4: I think we were in Detroit, and they said, your
Speaker 4: hotel is over there, and I was like over here.
Speaker 4: They were like, yep, right across the street. Clearly, the
Speaker 4: smell of cigarette smoke was so strong. When I walked
Speaker 4: in the front door, I was like, I gotta take
Speaker 4: a shower.
Speaker 3: I gotta take a shower. I'm on a bus.
Speaker 4: Full of dudes. I can't. I gotta take a shower.
Speaker 4: So I go in the room and and it's you
Speaker 4: know how, it's when the woodworks have been painted again
Speaker 4: and again and again again. Yeah, the bad I questioned.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I can't do that. So I
Speaker 4: took all the towels and I put them into and
Speaker 4: I showered and dried off with my clothes and.
Speaker 3: Got out of there.
Speaker 4: But while I was in the shower, I had my
Speaker 4: luggage up against the door because on the outside they
Speaker 4: were like, I told you back my money sold on.
Speaker 2: So let me understand that. So this was a hotel,
Speaker 2: this was a motel. Like you opened the door and
Speaker 2: it led to outside, It led.
Speaker 4: To crazy house. It was a small house with winding
Speaker 4: steps that they called the hotel that I think they
Speaker 4: used prostution.
Speaker 1: That was the damn halfway house.
Speaker 4: That's where I was staying. Yes, samn, Yes, explains a lot,
Speaker 4: because I bet you on that tour in Switzerland and
Speaker 4: I was like, man, she showing short with the hello
Speaker 4: nice Okay she was yeah.
Speaker 1: Damn y'all had jill in the lack of wanna blues house.
Speaker 4: You guys, I feel like everybody has to have They
Speaker 4: have to be haze to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: You have a writer.
Speaker 4: It was the same way with theater. It's the same
Speaker 4: way with this business. It's the same way with touring.
Speaker 3: Y'all would do this.
Speaker 4: This is my favorite. You never you didn't smoke. But
Speaker 4: the guys would be like, yeah, me so, oh is
Speaker 4: good for that?
Speaker 3: No he is, admittedly, so he don't.
Speaker 4: It was it was everybody. The only person that was
Speaker 4: nice to me. Come Al was nice to me, and
Speaker 4: Comar was nice to me. And Hub would occasionally hub.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: There was a gentleman there.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: Occasionally he would tell me you're doing okay and I
Speaker 4: said okay. Other than that, that was it. I learned
Speaker 4: so much. I learned so much. Thank you? Did I
Speaker 4: ever tell you thank you? Did I ever tell you?
Speaker 4: Thank you so so so much my life.
Speaker 2: I feel like if we had the sound bite of
Speaker 2: Miss Sophia saying, woman ain't chasing a house full of men.
Speaker 4: Damn Yeah, that's the roughest tour I've ever been on
Speaker 4: to maintain that fro, that whole tour, that that fro
Speaker 4: was beautiful.
Speaker 3: It made Muhammada go wait, somebody. I feel like.
Speaker 4: That my barber had my hair looking like it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Man, remember barber's.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, thank you so Jill, damn it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, it's.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4: I've done everything happens for a reason, nothing but none
Speaker 4: of this would have happened if not for the other thing.
Speaker 3: So right, it's like.
Speaker 2: Our first real extended conversation has lasted more than an
Speaker 2: hour in our twenty years of knowing each other, and
Speaker 2: now I don't.
Speaker 1: Understand why she ended up working with jazz.
Speaker 2: Jail ladies and gentlemen. You hate to hear it, I
Speaker 2: hate to say it, but you know, hey, it is
Speaker 2: what it is. That's only part one of our two
Speaker 2: part interview with Jill Scott next week. We promise you,
Speaker 2: promise you more, more and.
Speaker 1: More, Jill.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it was cool, right and then
Speaker 2: I had to come in and I know anyway, QLs.
Speaker 2: We will see y'all next week with part two of
Speaker 2: Jill Scott.
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