WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Jill Scott (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on iHeart first of all our family. What's up

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<v Speaker 1>like you?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why he can be sideye already me?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not giving you said, I'm excited?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I know this this is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just bypass you guys some pay bill and

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<v Speaker 2>far Tickeola.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode, probably longer than we care to actually stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the records. I don't know why it's taken almost

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<v Speaker 2>three and a half years for us to finally bring

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<v Speaker 2>to fortune. Uh the Jill Scott episode. I can't say

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<v Speaker 2>enough about this woman. She helped me get my first Grammy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate that. Jill Scott, she saved my life.

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<v Speaker 2>She gave me my first and only hit, Wow, why

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<v Speaker 2>only hit? No, Ladies and gentlemen, Jill Scott is much

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<v Speaker 2>more than that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually she's literally one of my.

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<v Speaker 2>Favorite artists ever, accomplished poet, singer, actress. Yes, extraordinaire, Please

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Quest of Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, one and only Jill.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, Joe, what's your middle name? I'm gonna look this

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<v Speaker 2>up on the internet. Jill, Wait, why don't we know your.

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, Jill, did you take your middle name

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<v Speaker 2>off of the Internet?

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<v Speaker 4>Internet?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you did?

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<v Speaker 1>W is it barbarabody?

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<v Speaker 2>Got a black ass middle name? Lady Scott, it's probably.

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<v Speaker 4>I like lo Renal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, are you trying to tell me that your middle

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<v Speaker 2>name will never be known to the world?

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<v Speaker 1>Ever?

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<v Speaker 4>If you search hard enough, you'll find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jill is really secret, Like she didn't even want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me where she was at. She didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me where her house was.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even a state. Yeah, not even because you're a

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<v Speaker 1>Philly for life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, Philly all day?

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<v Speaker 1>And what.

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<v Speaker 4>I just like balance, man. I try to find a

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<v Speaker 4>place where people don't know me at all for anything,

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<v Speaker 4>and I go there and it's great. We have conversations

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<v Speaker 4>about something and nothing. We get angry with each other

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, call h O A on each other.

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<v Speaker 3>It's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>You're trying to tell me that you you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>circle in which people may or may not know who

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<v Speaker 2>you are.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, No, not impossible. They are white.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that I can believe that Yes, there's white famous,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's black famous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and white famous yes, and the white famous and

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<v Speaker 4>uh no incomes texts, no state income text All that

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<v Speaker 4>made sense to me an Acreage, I was like, yep,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, there's another place that's not Delaware that does this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I'm in Tennessee. Oh be good, she

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<v Speaker 4>said it. I was scared she was gonna get us

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<v Speaker 4>up if we said it. Oh yeah, I won't fight you, probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Nigga, I'm scared of you.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that.

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<v Speaker 3>The first song was getting it. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 3>about basilinay.

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<v Speaker 1>I never forget Jill, Jill am.

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<v Speaker 4>I story time.

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<v Speaker 3>Story time?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I sell you all the first seven words I

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard Jill Scott ever say? Okay, So, Jill Scott

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<v Speaker 2>is best friend with a mutual friend of ours, Leslie

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<v Speaker 2>Arnette Pina. Leslie is the voice of oh on Lazy Afternoon?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you want more? Right? So, I believe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is when Leslie's cutting it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not certain, but what I do know is that

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<v Speaker 2>she brought her girlfriend down to the studio with her. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what makes this even crazier I'm not knowing that the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that Jill was once dating is also currently messing

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<v Speaker 2>with a roommate of someone that I lived with in

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<v Speaker 2>the house that I was living in during the Do

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<v Speaker 2>You Want More?

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<v Speaker 1>Period?

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds like an episode of Insecure. So it's all

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all I know. It's terrible, not sight unseen.

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<v Speaker 2>I sat down on the couch and she must have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten the news that that he did her wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, and the most.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of the most Oprah Harpo voice you can muster up,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, She said, Jill.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott, lady gentlemen. Yes, yeah, yep, Heather. Oh god, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I was doing. Internet just told me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was either midshew, I don't know if I was

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<v Speaker 2>at my lunch or reading something. But I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm scared of this woman forever.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened to him, what happened to do was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get cut off whatever. Let's see. What do I know?

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<v Speaker 3>I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Story at the house.

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<v Speaker 4>This I can't tell you the rest.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the special limitations is that I think you

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<v Speaker 2>can go in Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went to the house. I went to the house,

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<v Speaker 4>and and she was there at.

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<v Speaker 3>The house, right he right, sorry, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Drinking my kool aid out of the glass I bought. YEP,

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<v Speaker 4>I happened to have a razor blade.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, all right, this is question of supreme Thank you, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, keep going. Everyone lived, Everyone lived, but his wardrobe

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<v Speaker 4>didn't live.

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<v Speaker 3>His ward.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of everything.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was ever Erackey era everything and not on

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<v Speaker 4>the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Settle something for me, Jill, was he at all? Was

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<v Speaker 2>he at all involved in music? Because I have another

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<v Speaker 2>issue with him three weeks later. Now, mind you, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is messing with a girl that lives in my house,

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<v Speaker 2>and he steals my drum machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I put two and two together way after the fact,

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<v Speaker 2>like you all just tarantinoed your way into my timeline,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I had to put the story together to

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<v Speaker 2>realize what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also, I have reason to believe that he

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<v Speaker 1>stole one of my drum machines that house probably, and

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, but that's how that's that's how I had

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<v Speaker 1>And then.

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<v Speaker 3>The second Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But the second time, Jill was made three grand.

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<v Speaker 2>Entrances in my life before I even started a real conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>With her.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The second one was a little blurry because at the

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<v Speaker 2>time I was at Richmond Dina's house. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>a barbecue whatever, and it was like a spades tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of my greatest shames is also I learned late, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so that that part's a little blurry. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Jill there. But the third time with meeting Jill was

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<v Speaker 2>at a poetry slam in West Philadelphia around fifty fourth

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<v Speaker 2>and Baltimore Avenue.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember this.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember this, no, you all right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I believe either to Peter Mason introduced you, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>a fellow poet introduced you, and you cut her off

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<v Speaker 2>before it was like ladies and gentlemen, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up someone to the stage, and and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, from the back you went into Jo

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<v Speaker 2>Diesses freaking.

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<v Speaker 1>You from the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was like ladies and gentlemen, Okay, that was

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<v Speaker 2>Ursula Rucker of Richmondina and you know coming up next

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<v Speaker 2>as a sister from North Philadelphia, right, But no, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like you know how like Felicia was shot

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<v Speaker 2>over Nazi eight where's like like her last name is Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>like Felicia Airs Allen or Debbie Allen from.

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<v Speaker 1>The back of the room every time I closed, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We lost our ghosts, like who the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's just like slowly walked to the stage. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like our were collectively wagging, like the fuck is that?

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't remember that at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Did I miss out on Jill's sexy poet like whole

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<v Speaker 4>sexual poetry thing?

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<v Speaker 1>That dog? You weren't there for that? No, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to be fucking yeah. In nineteen ninety nine, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you gotta be in.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen Oh pudding.

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<v Speaker 1>Pud' there's a wink in there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I believe two three weeks later this is

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<v Speaker 2>when you got me sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>You started coming around the Sigma with Scott.

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<v Speaker 4>So Nope, no, Jill tell a story. No, No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember Baltimaring. It was so much poetry at

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<v Speaker 4>the time. We were everywhere trying to earn fifteen dollars

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere by miss his birthday parties, theaters, libraries. I was everywhere,

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<v Speaker 4>just trying to earn a living as a poet. So

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't remember that. But I do remember the

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<v Speaker 4>night I met Yoe. Now we were on a I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying to remember the brother's name. He had a small

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<v Speaker 4>record store, and he had closed the record store out

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<v Speaker 4>for the evening so people could read. I think Rich

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<v Speaker 4>might have been DJing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Rich's spot. Oh, Keith my current my current

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<v Speaker 1>product manager.

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<v Speaker 3>Years later, Yeah, it was Keith. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yes, in South Philly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so I think we were there, if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 4>And I read something and I came off and you

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<v Speaker 4>said you do you write songs? And I lied, I

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<v Speaker 4>said yes, which I did not do, and you were like, okay, Bet,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to hook you up.

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<v Speaker 3>You should come to the studio.

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<v Speaker 4>Had I been to a studio yet? I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>think I had been to a studio anywhere except of

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<v Speaker 4>the night I met you at Aga Sigma Sigma Sound,

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<v Speaker 4>where I met you. That was the first time I

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<v Speaker 4>had ever been in the studio. This will be the second.

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<v Speaker 4>So you hooked me up with Scott Storch, who I

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<v Speaker 4>knew only because I had seen him play in the

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<v Speaker 4>keys at every jam session and every time that I

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<v Speaker 4>saw you guys perform. You know, Scott was there. You

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<v Speaker 4>You asked me if I could write a song. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know how at all. And we sat there and

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<v Speaker 4>Scott and I got blazed for like, I don't know, like, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You Got Me?

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<v Speaker 4>Was that the first generation? Like you gave him your

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<v Speaker 4>first draft or you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, Yeah, there were seven songs, but you got Me.

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<v Speaker 2>I still that cassette You Got Me was number three.

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<v Speaker 2>You worked on seven sketches. You Got Me was number three,

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<v Speaker 2>And when I heard it, I said to myself, this

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<v Speaker 2>song's going to change my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew ten seconds in when you sang it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this HiT's going to change my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and instantly ran downstairs to Dave Ivory's room and Scott

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<v Speaker 2>happened to be there, and we just cut it right

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot because I knew. I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>it out the way before like Rich and Tariq caught

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<v Speaker 2>demo itis.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this song's going to change my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So before Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tarik hear it in its current state and get

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<v Speaker 2>demo itis and be like, Nope, this is the version

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<v Speaker 2>of that we're going to, I was like, let me

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<v Speaker 2>do the drums right now. And then there's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole nother like eight hour story of even the Battle

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<v Speaker 2>of drum and bass music at the end of it.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog because then it was like, dude, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>why are you going to ruin the song? Like just

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<v Speaker 2>be like was Rich's whole JOm was like, look, stay

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<v Speaker 2>straight ahead whatever, and I was like, no, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a drumming bass song because initially I wanted to whole

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<v Speaker 2>song to be that, and Rich was like, oh yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that one, keep it straight ahead, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the compromise of it all was like, Okay, at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, you get your little prize at the in

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<v Speaker 2>the Cereal Box.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here, we're still waiting for that part too. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I just knew.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just every time you talk about that story,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna just say it should have been part two

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<v Speaker 4>to that song. We had part two, part three. We

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<v Speaker 4>ended up having so many versions of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Songs live yeah on the Roots, on the Things Fall

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<v Speaker 2>Apart Box at.

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<v Speaker 4>Two dollars Bill performance. That's probably still one of my

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<v Speaker 4>favorites ever in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>We are, we are, We're jumping the gun. We're in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine. Jill Scotty, Where were you born?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you born.

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<v Speaker 4>At Albert Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia?

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<v Speaker 3>You want to be blue?

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<v Speaker 1>N O r F North Philly.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh N O r F yep, North Philly?

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<v Speaker 1>Where? Okay? Where in? Because North Phillies is anything above.

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<v Speaker 2>Broad Street to me, like Gotts Avenue or like, what

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<v Speaker 2>what's like here in North Philly?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Lee High? Oh yeah, Lee High, Broad Lee High Avenue.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's banging. Now what was it? Then?

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<v Speaker 3>It was? It was the bottom. Yikes, it was the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Then that's near j Street.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know Jade Street, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's.

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<v Speaker 4>In the big shooting Like really, that's many, many, many shootings.

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<v Speaker 4>You know where Dobbins is Dobbins Vocational High School. I

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<v Speaker 4>taught there for a couple of months, but I lived

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<v Speaker 4>around the corner from Dobbins.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a school teacher too.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an English teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow here Harley new Yee. Okay, so in growing up

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<v Speaker 2>in Philadelphia? Like all right, first of all, how did

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<v Speaker 2>you cause? The thing is that, if you're saying you're

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<v Speaker 2>in North Philly, especially growing up in the eighties, getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of North Philly is an achievement on its own. Yes, indeed, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>So what was life like navigating through North Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I really you know, I know that

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<v Speaker 4>it was tough. I know that there was there was

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of murders. There were a lot I lost

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of like, well, we all lost a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of young men. Early one summer, we lost like seven

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<v Speaker 4>young guys. You know, I knew them all. They were

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<v Speaker 4>drug dealers, but I you know the drug dealers that

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<v Speaker 4>I knew. They carried my mom's groceries home. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they wrote me poetry, they said on they said on

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<v Speaker 4>my steps and let me read the Megarall and Poe.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they were they were sweet to me. And

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<v Speaker 4>I know it seems absurd to some people, but I

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<v Speaker 4>had a very very idyllic uh concept of the hood.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was beautiful. You know. There was neighbors who played

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<v Speaker 4>the guitar and kept their screens open and so you

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<v Speaker 4>could hear it. There were neighbors that everybody swept, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And then then crack came. Crack came like a thief

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<v Speaker 4>in the night and just destroyed everything good not everything.

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<v Speaker 4>There were still good people around, but it made it

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<v Speaker 4>really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely got shot at. I definitely had to fight

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, and then I thought of ways of trying

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<v Speaker 4>to not hurt anybody because I thought I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to end up in jail if I didn't figure it out. So,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my mom took me to Juvie. I saw

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<v Speaker 4>some stuff in there and I was like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to worry about me. No, she took me

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<v Speaker 4>to juvi Want some scared straight John, Yeah, before there

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<v Speaker 4>was a scared straight. She was like, you should you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I get. She didn't tell me where we were going.

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<v Speaker 4>We just got on the thirty three and we got

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<v Speaker 4>off and ended up in Juvie. It was a whole

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of girls that looked a lot like me, that

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<v Speaker 4>looked like they had been through hell in a basket.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. I heard a couple of horrible stories about

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<v Speaker 4>being in Juvie, and I was like, I'm good. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I had to find a way to survive without fighting,

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<v Speaker 4>without having to defend myself because I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not the kind of person that just puts my

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<v Speaker 4>hands up and we're going to fight and it's over.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't know how to stop because I'm kind.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it might so terrible, but I am I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to hurt anybody. So I'm in a position

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<v Speaker 4>where in order to survive, I'm going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>hurt somebody pretty badly and they may not make it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I figured out other ways.

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<v Speaker 4>Step to everybody, I don't well, I do, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a sister from my father.

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<v Speaker 1>But you grew up the loon child. Yeah, household.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you didn't have the story of I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get my cousin to fuck you up, like there's none

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 4>My cousins hated. My cousins hated. I could read through

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<v Speaker 4>her words that Jill didn't have a problem being able

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<v Speaker 4>to fight, because that was the problem that you were

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<v Speaker 4>started being good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounded like like you It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't. I would never call it. I think.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was you didn't lose that too often.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't. It just wasn't fair. You know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know how to stop. I didn't know how to win

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<v Speaker 4>a fight and stop, So I don't really. I try

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<v Speaker 4>my best not to be in that position, to the

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<v Speaker 4>to the very end, to the bitter end, to the

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to jail in And I didn't want that

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<v Speaker 4>for myself. I was scared of it. So I embraced

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<v Speaker 4>every possible way to be kind and loving and open

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<v Speaker 4>in my hood. So and try at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>not to be a sucker, you know, to get played

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<v Speaker 4>by the crackheads or by the drug dealers. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>be friendly and be nice and be helpful where you can,

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<v Speaker 4>but not give anybody money because if you give crackheads

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<v Speaker 4>money to come back the next day like a squirrel,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. So you know, trying to find that balance

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<v Speaker 4>to navigate living or dying. And yes, it was very

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<v Speaker 4>hard to get out of North Philly. So I worked

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<v Speaker 4>three jobs and did poetry and hoped that I could

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<v Speaker 4>make some kind of a living. God in Dobbin's High

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<v Speaker 4>School was teaching English. It was dope. I loved it,

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<v Speaker 4>but they weren't very helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Good got in and subsequently went back there to teach.

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<v Speaker 4>No. I went to girls High okay, but I taught

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<v Speaker 4>at doc events and I realized I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 4>make any money, which is so foul to this day.

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<v Speaker 4>That I wasn't going to make any money, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't going to have any kind of support. There's no

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<v Speaker 4>support for teachers. My principal told me I was young

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<v Speaker 4>and idealistic and I would get over it and I quit.

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<v Speaker 4>I quit everything that day, like this sucks. There's gotta

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<v Speaker 4>be something else. And then Ozzi Jones, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if you got y'all know.

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<v Speaker 3>Izzy, Yes, yes Jones.

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<v Speaker 4>Izzy Jones called me the day I quit everything and said, Yo,

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<v Speaker 4>there's an apprenticeship at the Ardent Theater Company. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>want to try out for it? It's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty dollars a week. You're gonna end up working somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>between fourteen and sixteen hours a week, but you'll get

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<v Speaker 4>free acting classes and you'll learn everything about theater.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say?

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<v Speaker 4>And I auditioned and I had several meetings and I

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<v Speaker 4>was the oldest and the only black person in the building.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing begat another Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, so no freedom theater, none of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>ever comes into.

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<v Speaker 3>Your No, I wish I couldn't afford.

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<v Speaker 1>Were singing in church as as a young like none of.

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<v Speaker 4>That didn't grow up in church.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, so that meant that story about you, It was

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<v Speaker 3>a story about you.

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<v Speaker 4>Not being a part of freedom, but that like you

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<v Speaker 4>actually used to help clean up and do stuff around

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<v Speaker 4>the building.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>The cleaning up part came later when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh, that was that was just because I thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was dope. But I couldn't afford classes. Where you

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<v Speaker 4>go to school Temple, which one I went for two

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<v Speaker 4>years and I took off a year, went for three years,

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<v Speaker 4>took off two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Came back were major.

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<v Speaker 4>No. No, I don't even know how many times I

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<v Speaker 4>went to Temple. I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a blur, I swear to you.

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<v Speaker 4>I just was trying to finish, to be the one

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<v Speaker 4>in my family who finished school. And you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>ended up giving me a honorary PhD, which I took.

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<v Speaker 5>And I took that, Scott, I went that.

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<v Speaker 4>On my passports so bad, like I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>to get that done. I'm trying to tell you the first,

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<v Speaker 4>the first degree I earned. After that, they gave me

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<v Speaker 4>the next and the next. Food. I'm cool with it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, Jill. I would have I would have known you, yo.

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<v Speaker 4>I got in the creative and performing arts. I really

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<v Speaker 4>would have known you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have went to Kapa.

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<v Speaker 4>Why got into both schools to girls Hiding and Kappa,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was terrified I was terrified of that neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I already got enough ship. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to south neighborhood. I'm scared, like they're gonna kill me.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna try to.

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<v Speaker 1>You said that like all day. Julie pronounced A scared

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<v Speaker 1>s K A E R D T scared.

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<v Speaker 4>I was scared. I was like, they're going to kill me.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't go here. That was at the audition, and

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<v Speaker 4>I changed my mind and I got in as a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>You're creative writing major.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a creative I would have.

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<v Speaker 1>The English teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would have been, but I changed my mind

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<v Speaker 4>and went to girls high instead.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy. Okay, okay, so wait, did you know

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<v Speaker 1>Sean in high school?

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<v Speaker 3>I did?

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<v Speaker 4>We went on together?

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<v Speaker 1>Manager?

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<v Speaker 3>You know Sean in high school?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Said she just said that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but we weren't sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You were surely prom day?

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<v Speaker 4>No, we went on a prom together. We all went

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<v Speaker 4>and sat together.

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<v Speaker 1>We were same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how many Sean?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>It was me and my date, him and his date

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<v Speaker 4>Court and in his date, so it was six of us.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Wow, that's dope. That a story of you

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<v Speaker 4>and Sean, Like what an evolution Oh yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 4>I met him when I was I was fourteen. I

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<v Speaker 4>had to be fourteen or fifteen. I think I might

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 4>have been fifteen. But I got pictures of a young

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<v Speaker 4>showing in my office somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>We need this black mail material.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh come on, y'all, wait damn I know, wait a

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<v Speaker 2>damn ship because I know Sean's gonna listen to this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I got some really good on showing.

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<v Speaker 3>You got, you got some tapes, you got some rap tapes?

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<v Speaker 1>What you got?

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<v Speaker 3>What you got?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>I scoured the earth for Showan's record. O, my god,

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna pull up? All right? Wait, here's the

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I got it. And he, you know, like he

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like it's straight. He's straight ll eighty five like.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, fante, he said he talked to his whole style.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he says sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is that Sean was like the family

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 2>star Tarika Fomo because, like, you know, Thanksgiving, Sean asked

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and single out.

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<v Speaker 1>And was getting played on local radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Blowie B was like, you know, and Tarik was like,

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<v Speaker 2>way they get a load of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that's what inspired to ree to like step up.

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<v Speaker 4>That Sean and Tica are cousins because most people up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this is where it even goes deeper. Angela

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<v Speaker 2>Nissel my Angie, former Okay player, partner in current writer

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<v Speaker 2>at Mixed Dish. One day she asked me for like

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<v Speaker 2>some interstitial rap music, Like do I know, like a

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<v Speaker 2>real cheap, random rap song that's like kind of bad

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<v Speaker 2>from like nineteen eighty five eighty six, like when they

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<v Speaker 2>do a flashback thing like that time back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then right, And so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was this close to getting that song clear on

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Mixed Dish, but I would have had to I would

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<v Speaker 2>have to been the owner of the publishing to make

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<v Speaker 2>it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, because I wanted to be something where

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<v Speaker 2>like se is just watching TV and it just hurt fem.

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<v Speaker 4>How do I get this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, since I get off this phone, I will send

0:27:58.800 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been saving I've been saving this record for

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<v Speaker 2>like the right woman to drop it.

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<v Speaker 1>I save this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I want?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I want to hear the other six songs

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 4>that Scott and I did. What happened to them? I

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 4>don't know if you have them, but I'm curious because.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my first time with Scott not having Babbage, not

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<v Speaker 5>having baggage, right Babbage, Babbage, Oh Babbage right Babbage?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh real weird?

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, Scott. Scott was on the whole other level.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, wait, wait, wow, this is this is wonderful,

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 4>this is a beautiful sensation. Yeah. Yeah, that was Scott's

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<v Speaker 4>at work.

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<v Speaker 2>At what point, even though you didn't have a traditional

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<v Speaker 2>uh experience or community theater experience as most of our

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>guests do. Oh, like, where does music play in your

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.959
<v Speaker 2>life for at least the first four miative years? Like

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>your first eight years? Like, what was the first record

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you ever brought of? The first concert you went to

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<v Speaker 2>and allowed?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, she allowed to have it?

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, wait.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, blowing a dark record player. I was allowed.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's see, I my first record. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 4>first record, but I took the Whiz to my third

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 4>grade show and tell.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody hated it. I was devastated. I me, something

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>was wrong with those people.

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<v Speaker 1>You played the wi.

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<v Speaker 4>And they hated it.

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 2>So you brought the records to school? Yes, and they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't appreciate it as.

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 4>Much at all.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 3>They thought it was awful.

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 4>They booed I was like, you're all insane. I'm out

0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 4>of here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not what was your jam on the record?

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<v Speaker 1>Jail?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh Brandon Day. You know how I know how you

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 4>are about the Wiz, Like, yes, the Wiz poster is

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 4>in a frame above my son's toilet.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the Wiz is a great horror movie. Dude.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>The Wiz is a hard cell.

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 3>It is.

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>One night, one night, I just I conducted experiment. It

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>was one of these nights where where we had like

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving run uh, like a tour. I had Thanksgiving off,

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>but not enough to really like plan anything with family.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So this time I was stuck with a bunch of

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 2>people that I work with. We call them white people,

0:30:53.000 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and I was wondering when you were to me and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I want to see how white people react.

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>To the Wiz.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh this is good.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Yo. It freaked them out.

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>It was to them it was like an acid trip,

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>like and watching the Wiz through their eyes.

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Then they were like, yo, this is the scariest ship

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>we have ever seen.

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Like now as a kid, like watching the Wiz and

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>when Eveline's when her nails nails go backwards and get

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck out of here man. That was I think

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>we were just happening to see black people. I think

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that's what it was. We was like, we got Michael Jackson,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>we got Dan A. Ross, Like we're just happened to

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>see black people acting.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 4>But but the force were so perfect. Black man can't

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 4>catch cab in New York City, Yeah, the young woman

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 4>who can't get out of the house, you know, still

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 4>living at home with her mama. You know, all of

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 4>those things that were actually occurring, to poppy fields or

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 4>the hookers on the street, you know all of that.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 4>It was the metaphors were perfect for the hood. It was.

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 4>It was wonderful. As a writer, I just fell in love.

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 4>And then I met Quincy Jones and was like, I

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 4>just looked on you with the third grade. He was like,

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 4>I hated that. I hated that whole. Charlie, Yeah, Charlie.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 4>They hated each other. Well, he hated Charlie because.

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 2>It's you know what it was, Okay, as the elder

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 2>statesman of this crew, because you all were three at

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the time when it came out, I'm saying that to

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 2>watch like the morning that it came out, and to

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>watch it in its first run, I had to stand.

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I had to stand in line for three and a

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>half hours. You remember the Sam Eric say that the

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 2>movies like you saw it. You know, I'm just saying, yeah,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh shit, no, no, no, no, the Wiz.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think I think now that I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>in hindsight, the excitement and the build up to what

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>The Whiz was was probably better than the movie itself. No, no,

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that it was a bad film, because

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>this is the thing we have to know, Like Sidney

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Lament technically lost his career after The Whiz, like after

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>batting out the Park with like Dark Day Afternoon was

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>the one. Yeah, all these other films that he did,

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he did Cerproco and The Wiz was seen

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<v Speaker 2>as a failure now, you know. And I also have

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>issues with how black films are judged by non black critics.

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by higher level.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So I know that there is also points off of

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that of just craulually not understanding got Tony.

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what are we talking about it?

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, but The Wiz is a hard cell now

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>recently watching it.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a hard cell.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Recently watching it, I realized what Jill was saying, like, oh, man,

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of the Whiz could also be like

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>a self esteem motivational package, because I saw it in

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a whole different light now post therapy, life coach and

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>that stuff.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, oh, okay.

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 3>I see the lessons alive. You're standing straw.

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Steve. Have you ever seen I saw The Wiz and

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.439
<v Speaker 1>I saw the sequel Whiz Wit. Wait what I thought

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>that joke would do better? I don't say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>try to keep up reloaded.

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.959
<v Speaker 4>I wanted another one. I really I still want another one,

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 4>but it couldn't.

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what's the second what's this plot line of

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the Wiz?

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>What's the second? What would be the next the sequel

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Wiz? Like, what's the storyline?

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 4>It would have to be a lost Dorothy. A lost

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Dorothy meaning she doesn't know who she is or how

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 4>to be. She's trapped in a world where she's uh,

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, weaved out and uh contacted and what

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 4>it may be. But I think I think there's a

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 4>lot of like that going on.

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Version of Wicked, just like they have it now.

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, I love Wicked. That was because it was

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 3>so good. The sequel to the Wizard of Oz.

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Was like, Yeah, what's better the movie or the soundtrack.

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 4>For the Wiz. Yeah, I'm gonna go with.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>The movie because there's dancing allans. Soundtrack doesn't make sense

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>unless you've seen the movie.

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 2>And it's weird because the soundtrack is technically a story.

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a movie without visuals, which is why I think

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>it was a hard sell for Jill to get a bunch.

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 4>Of third kids, third and fourth grade class.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Home teachers playing for them.

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 4>No I was a student.

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Yeah, they booed live anywhere. Y'all think home

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 3>can live anywhere?

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but what does that mean?

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 3>What does home mean of the song? I'm just saying

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 3>the song, Oh yeah.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Anywhere, anytime, anybody. But I wouldn't want to see. I

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't want to see like pop stars sing it. I

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't want to see I would like to see, like,

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 4>grab some folks out of Juilliard, you know, and have

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 4>them portray these incredible people to make it stick to

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 4>it has ribs, you know, not just you know, fancy characters.

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to see that. I would like to

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 4>I would like Dorothy to have guts. I would like

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 4>her to be afraid.

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>What was it like for you to perform in front

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of Michael Jackson at the thirtieth anniversary performance or was

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>that just a weird experience altogether?

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 4>It was a very strange experience. I got there and honestly,

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.760
<v Speaker 4>it felt like nobody was there about before Michael Jackson,

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 4>no one, And that bothered me a lot because I

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 4>had turned down a role with Denzel Washington to be

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 4>there because I really really wanted to honor Michael Jackson

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 4>and I was doing the Whiz, so it meant a

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 4>lot to me. And I got there and it just

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 4>felt like nobody was about it, like nobody was really

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>there to honor him. And I remember getting on stage

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 4>and now they've added other people to this performance, which

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 4>really frustrated me too, great artists, but I just that's

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 4>not what I had in mind. And anyway, long.

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Story short, was your idea was to do? What to do?

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 4>You can't win? To have the scarecrows, the whole thing,

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 4>the dancing. I think they had Fatima on board at

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 4>the time to choreograph the thing. I wanted to present

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.919
<v Speaker 4>him the Whiz, you know, the way that he did

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.919
<v Speaker 4>it as best as I could with all of my heart.

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 4>And uh, that didn't work out. They kept adding other

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.720
<v Speaker 4>people and then added something from the Wizard of Oz

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 4>to honor e Liza Minelli, who was his homegirl. And

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 4>I was like, what the fuck? And I got on

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 4>stage and I looked to the left and there was

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Michael Jackson. He he was paper white. It wasn't like

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't any kind of human white he was. He

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 4>was paper white. And I didn't want to look anymore.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 4>I was like trying to hold back tears during the

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 4>performance because he was sitting Liza uh not e Liza

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 4>Manlly Taylor was sitting on one side of him, and

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Macaulay Coffin was sitting on the other. He he just

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't even look like a person. He was there. But

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 4>when I tell you that color was not a people color,

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 4>it just it was. It hurt me. It hurt me.

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.319
<v Speaker 4>And I get off stage and I'm all upset. I'm

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 4>so upset, and everybody's so happy. I feels crazy. When

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 4>you're in the midst of this business and something impacts

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 4>you in a way, you know, you're, yeah, in the

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 4>midst of it. Like so I get off stage and

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.959
<v Speaker 4>everybody's celebrating and how great that was, And I can't

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 4>even hear them. And then I turn my head and

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 4>there's Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston, and why Bobby, I

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 4>mean Whitney Houston, God rest her soul walks over and

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to get myself together, and I look down

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 4>and all I could think was that her her knees

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 4>were bigger than and her thighs. My heart is racing,

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 4>and I just I cried the rest of the night.

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 4>I just I just could not stop crying. I could

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 4>not get myself together because these are people that I

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>admired and respected and wanted them to be okay, you know,

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 4>I wanted them to be healthy and and thrive, and

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 4>they just weren't. They just they just weren't.

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>What year was this.

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 4>Two thousand and one and the next day eleven, The

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 4>next day was nine to eleven one.

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Because I know that there were I.

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 4>Don't know, I only had I did one and then

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 4>I saw it. It was on TV one night years later,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 4>and I wasn't even in it, and I was like,

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 4>did you ever get to circle back? And like did

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 4>you ever speak with him? Did you ever get to

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 4>have contact with Michael? I just talked to him on

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 4>the phone he called me one time to say that

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 4>he liked me, and you know, that was it. I

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 4>was on tour and and he just called to say

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 4>that he liked me, and he was gonna send me

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 4>a hat that I never got. Yeah, I didn't. I

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 4>didn't like that Michael Jackson thing. I know, you don't know.

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm you've had.

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 4>You must have had quite a few moments of like

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 4>those industry clarity moments. I know Fonte has them all

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.879
<v Speaker 4>the time too, when you just like.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 3>This is where I wanted to be.

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Man, you mean as far as diminished returns are concerned.

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the reality of this reality.

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>So how long is it before it kicks into you? Now,

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I got into an unfortunate place where the only way

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>that I could navigate my way through those disappointments was

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to then lower myself and lower my spirit to a

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 2>place where I constantly just came in enough to be

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 2>disappointed exactly, which is really putting a band aid over

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 2>a bullet wound because it might help cope with that moment,

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>But in the long run, that didn't service like my

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.959
<v Speaker 2>soul or my being and enjoying life and that sort

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of thing, because then, I mean, you do that for

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 2>ten years, and then you become cynical, and then you

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 2>become evil, and then you become I mean, it's just

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 2>levels of low self esteem and all that stuff. So

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how long was it until, like, for you,

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 2>was there ever a point where you're just like, oh,

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 2>all my idols might disappoint me, or let me not

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>meet them and let me not take this phone call

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>or have this lunch with this person. You know, I

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't even know you could have access to Michael Jackson.

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait a minute, you had Prince.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Meeting him was a very big be careful for what

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>you ask for it because I meant, I'm not saying

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't idea. I mean we had great moments where

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>it was fun and it was like everything I dreamed

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>about playing with my idol.

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But there were a lot of I mean you've seen

0:42:59.040 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of moments that were like, ah, man,

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 2>it was better off in my head, the idea of

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 2>my head of Prince than what I got dealt with.

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 4>There are a couple of things. One is I'm really

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 4>grateful that I grew up as a Jehovah's witness. I

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 4>had posters of new addition on my wall.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I loved them.

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 4>I talked to them my grandmother. I came home one

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 4>day and my grandmother took all my posters down and

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 4>she said, you're idolizing these boys. And I was like, no,

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm not, No, I'm not. And she's like, you're in

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.720
<v Speaker 4>there talking to them and telling them how you feel.

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 3>They're they're painful.

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 4>No man is above you and no man is beneath you.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 4>I was devastating. I didn't like my grandmother for a

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 4>long time.

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>That's real shit. Shit, Yeah, they cost you twenty bucks.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 4>This is the shits of it all. You have these

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 4>dreams and you have these ideas of what the world

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 4>is supposed to be like, and it is what it is.

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:51.399
<v Speaker 3>So what do I do.

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 4>I take the good wherever I can find it, and

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 4>I hold on to that as hard as I can.

0:43:58.040 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 4>That's all I can do.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 3>The rest.

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 4>I see it for what it is, and you know,

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:08.359
<v Speaker 4>I'll forgive it for because it's whack. You know, I'll

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 4>just forgive it because just cousin keep pushing. There's no

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 4>need to hold on to that shit. It's disturbing and disappointing.

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know has there been times in your career

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>where it may have been someone that you met, like

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 2>a younger artist or just anyone where you think you

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 2>may have came across the wrong way to them and

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of in the disappointment of them, and you had

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>to kind of go back and clear up and be like, yo,

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really mean it that way, or whatever, like

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 2>have you ever found yourself on that side of the transaction.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm certain. I'm certain because I'm not, you know, perfect,

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm certain that they caught me in the middle of

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 4>something and I'm trying to deal, just to deal. I

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 4>remember this is a you know, an advanced artist.

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.320
<v Speaker 3>But I saw sha Ka Khan. I was so excited.

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 3>You please love me so much.

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 4>And we're at the Grammys. I think I won that time.

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 4>So I'm walking around like, oh ship, you know, I

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 4>want to write shoes. I wore flip flops. You know,

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 4>my feet don't hurts, so my personality is good, you know.

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm so excited. And one of her folks comes over

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 4>to me and they're like, miss miss Khan is upset

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 4>with you. I said, Miss Khan, who is a Shakaka

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:28.439
<v Speaker 4>is upset with me, so I don't know, but I'm

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 4>going over there to find out because it's Shaka Khana

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 4>and I love her. So I go over there and

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.439
<v Speaker 4>she was like, you called me a beast and.

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Wow, I'm glad you clear up.

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad that I had the good sense to

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 4>go over there. We laughed hysterically. I was like, you

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 4>know what I end, but.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, Like who got the goal to say that? Ship

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 3>to you? Ms conn for real? And me me?

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 4>You know, how could I call? I was like, oh

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 4>my god, this is this is crazy but very funny.

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 3>These things happen. These things happen.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 2>What are the what are the beginning steps that starts

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 2>with you getting your record deal?

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, First of all, can you clear up something?

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll try What was is Hidden Beach Michael Jordan's label?

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>And I'm only asking this because I'm so obsessed with

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the ESPN thirty for thirty Michael Jordan's last dance documentary thing?

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I was.

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I was told that Hidden Beach was his

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>label or something like like what is what was Hidden Beach?

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Well?

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Hidden Beach?

0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 4>Steve Keith and Michael Jordan invested. It was I think,

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 4>like the major investor in the face of.

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:06.720
<v Speaker 3>At the time.

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if if Steve or Michael, if Michael

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>like started the label and then had him running or whatever.

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 4>No, but it was it was incredible to be around him.

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:24.919
<v Speaker 4>And uh, he certainly put me in really nice rooms. Sure, yeah, yeah,

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 4>he kind of liked me a little bit. And I

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 4>was glad I got a chance to see some things

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 4>and taste some things I didn't know existed. I was like,

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 4>what is this you say, don't.

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of my buddies, a buddy mine from down here,

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Charles Whitfield, he was around that time. And yeah, I've

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.240
<v Speaker 2>heard a lot of those stories, the m J stories a.

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>While, parties, he was parties, all that.

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 4>It was.

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:57.360
<v Speaker 3>It was great.

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:47:57.880 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Bulet.

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:02.879
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna tell me.

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Later what the Bulet? Oh, the Bulet is the black

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 3>scaling bones.

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 1>And bones and you know, the like Illuminati.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Black they called the Bulet. Didn't want me, Okay,

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:18.760
<v Speaker 3>they didn't want me. They recruiting one of my DC friends.

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Bill.

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 3>That's not for you to know, my friend.

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Clearly, thank you.

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 2>You don't know, Bill, I don't want to join society.

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 3>It's the black the black skull.

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 1>And black skull boats.

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 3>They never wanted me ever, No, I didn't get the form.

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get my bulet.

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's real quiet because it's in it.

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Listen, be in it. Tell us jif so, you've known

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Amir for a long time, longer than you know of us.

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Have God, you see him evolve? Who is the who

0:48:58.840 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 1>is the person?

0:48:59.440 --> 0:48:59.839
<v Speaker 3>You met?

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 1>You this question? She's next? How have you seen?

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Wow? Okay, in the in the beginning, he was so quiet.

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.959
<v Speaker 4>He hardly ever said anything to me. He barely ever

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 4>looked me in the face. And you in my line,

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 4>you hardly ever looked me in the face. And I

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 4>was coming in and give me a hug, give me

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:32.640
<v Speaker 4>a hug. And I had to, you know, like.

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Actually.

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Five years ago we were more lovely than you were.

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Rich was a lovey.

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to, you know.

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember you had played? I was on the

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 4>road with you guys. You had played or something, and

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 4>you were really tired, and I was like, well, let

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 4>me massage your ankles. Do you remember this? And I

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 4>came to your room and massaged your ankles, and you

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 4>fell asleep.

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 1>That's my jail.

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 3>By the way, were like, I don't even let my

0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 3>fucker see my ankles.

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 1>He's very sexy.

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 4>He allowed me that time and he rested, and which

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 4>is what I hope for. He seems so stressed and tired,

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, ankles.

0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>It is rare. Amir did not rest So that was

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:28.399
<v Speaker 3>a big right, Okay, I have massaged.

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 4>A lot of people in this lifetime.

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Just I wish I remembered this.

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 4>It's just like you forgot.

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I can help.

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:41.399
<v Speaker 3>It's not there.

0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 4>I just think I can help.

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, side note, side note because wait, wait, side note,

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 2>because the first time that Erica tells the story of

0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, she said the same thing about Dylan

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and I hit him. I'm like, wait a minute, you

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 2>had a massage by eric a bad when you was

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>making like she was massaging him as he was cutting up,

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 2>chopping up the sample, the blue sample.

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't remember it happening like that, though

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it was.

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:19.839
<v Speaker 4>It was anything but sweetness. It was good, and which good.

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably the happiest place in my life right now. Uh, Jill,

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.479
<v Speaker 2>So that look you, thank you.

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Take that on paid Bill sho a

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>sweat your ward motherfucker.

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Though, So now that we did all the soft and

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 4>can I just ask because the story, because I know

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 4>that Jill ended up on tour singer you got Me?

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:48.920
<v Speaker 3>But how did we get.

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:52.360
<v Speaker 4>To the point of the different vocalist? And then I

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 4>want to know?

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so on the verses, here's the deal.

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I want to hear yours.

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 1>Here's so.

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>What I remember was Joe and I had a lunch date.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you remember us going to Copas two on

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<v Speaker 2>South Street.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jill.

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<v Speaker 2>Jill is one of six people whose demo I actually

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<v Speaker 2>listened to and actually liked, like envy that it wasn't mine.

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<v Speaker 1>The other and I've said the story before.

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<v Speaker 2>The other acts were blow Slim Village, little Brother, Jill Scott,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia m Maldreu. She's been around along that Jay Davy.

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<v Speaker 1>No I heard it.

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<v Speaker 4>I never let you forget. He told me I would

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<v Speaker 4>never sell a record. No no no no.

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<v Speaker 2>No no no no no no no no no no

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<v Speaker 2>no no no.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, first of all, this is me, that is met.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that sound like me or that's sound like Rich Nichols.

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<v Speaker 3>That was you.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you shut up, Steve Wowe.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, Jill, you brought this up. Before you brought this up.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought this up, and I and I have issue

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<v Speaker 2>with this. I don't think I ever said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alternate fact.

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<v Speaker 2>No, listen, I remember sitting at the table you handed

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<v Speaker 2>me your your your discmand Yes it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 4>I still have that, by the way, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember first I was like, wait a minute, there's

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 2>someone else in Philadelphia making music.

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I was m vias of the tracks

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:45.839
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't know.

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 3>You are skating around this one song. I'm just trying

0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 3>to get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Not no no, no, no no no, I'm gonna get to that.

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 2>But this starts at Copas. It starts at Copas. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said that. I said never. I don't think that ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm the king, Jill, I'm the king of

0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 2>my thoughts and my words being on the opposite sides

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 2>of the town. But I don't think there's ever a

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<v Speaker 2>time in life in which I was not your biggest fan.

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<v Speaker 3>So why is it not her a eve?

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:23.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm just just.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but Jill, No, no, no, But Jill has always

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.839
<v Speaker 2>said that in the beginning, I wasn't fully supportive and

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I said that she would never sell anything, only because

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that I thought that, or maybe I

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:44.040
<v Speaker 2>just thought like, oh, this is so good that maybe mainstream.

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I could see that.

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 2>That mainstream audience won't get this, but I was instantly

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 2>in love with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard this story about baduism. I haven't heard it

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>about Jill.

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<v Speaker 4>Damn. You told her she wouldn't make it without you.

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>What I heard what you saying? I've read in the magazine.

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 2>It was I think it was Vibe or something you

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 2>heard about the wism and you were like, yo, I

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<v Speaker 2>like it, but will you know the hood get it?

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>We'll just right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the things that I love isn't necessarily palatable

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to mainstream America, and that I was wrong. So maybe

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was trying to say, but I in

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<v Speaker 2>no way was I not. I want to I want

0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.320
<v Speaker 2>to repaint this history between you and I, Jill Scott

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 2>and saving the record that I was your I mean,

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.800
<v Speaker 2>if I took a lunch date with you about your music.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I've never invited no one to the studio but you,

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and that includes D'Angelo and Erica and anyone else I've

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 2>worked with.

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.959
<v Speaker 1>You're literally the lone human being. Angelo. He just didn't

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 1>show up left.

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 2>So all right, now you know I heard that quote.

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to the episode that quote. It's an

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:18.399
<v Speaker 2>inside joke, all right. So now for Liea's story. All right,

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 2>So the story you got me is I hear it

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and instantly know that this is going to change my life.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I run downstairs from Joe Tarcia's room where Scott's playing

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:32.400
<v Speaker 2>it for me.

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Me, Scott and.

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Rich are listened to the results of him and Jill,

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, that's the one. And instantly I told

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Scott stop playing it because I don't want Rich getting demo.

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 1>As we ran downstairs, I did it.

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 2>So the German bassed argument was probably like a three

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 2>day thing, and I was like, okay, great, I'll just

0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>do it the regular way. I won't put any fancy,

0:56:56.480 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>spancy things on it, and I'll do it.

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>We do the song. It's fucking awesome. So we go

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to New York and this is what Reek's vocals on

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and everything is done and done? Or is it just

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the best? You know what I think?

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 2>I think he struggled with the last verse, so I know,

0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, So we have other issues going on.

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, all right, So here's the deal.

0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Communication in the roots band in the nineteen ninety nine

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:25.919
<v Speaker 2>wasn't too.

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<v Speaker 1>Much all motherfuckers? Why but we know.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 2>There's something that you guys don't know. Communication and the

0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 2>roots band here isn't two ideas. So here's the all right,

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 2>so snack number one and you got me? Okay number one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've we've made it very public. Malik's codependency

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:57.680
<v Speaker 2>problems now becoming a major problem for the band. There

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 2>have been situations of fights and money.

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 1>And all this stuff, and it's sort of like, well

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.800
<v Speaker 1>is he or is he? What's he doing? Is he

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:08.280
<v Speaker 1>drinking too much? Da da da da?

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 2>And then you see vals of white powder and shit

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and so we're dealing with that type of drama. So

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 2>something happens that gets us kicked out of Sigma because

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 2>of Malik.

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 1>So now Vocal Vocal.

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Headquarters are now at Larry Golds at the studio. So

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.360
<v Speaker 2>problem number one is we're not all in the same

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 2>place at the same time, working and interacting. So now

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like a factory. Joe Tarcia still likes me because

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of his history with my father, so sort of like

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a mirror. You can stay, but you know, Malick and

0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>all his running buddies and all that stuff. They gotta

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>do right. So all music's being tracked at Sigma and

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 2>then we send them to Seventh and Cala Hill to

0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the studio to be recorded. So while that's happening, there's

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 2>also a third factor is mixing. So between mixing with

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the Axual NEOs and Bob Power. So in the morning

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm tracking, and then the evening I'm mixing in New York.

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly I'm getting these tapes and I'm hearing this girl

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 2>like wait, and I'm calling Rich like wait, who's this

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 2>female voice on track fourteen doing ad libs? And he

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.640
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know that girl, Eve, that's her, and

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:30.680
<v Speaker 2>so I'm like, oh, man, come on.

0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh I even have a part in the ear.

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 3>She was Wow, that's no, that.

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Was Rique em Mail and come on.

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, look, by this point and we're we're

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 2>totally skipping over, like the jam sessions that are happening

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 2>at the house and everyone being at the house. So

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Jill's a presence, Jaguars a presence, the jazzy fan Nazis

0:59:56.080 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 2>are a presence, News a presence. Uh occasionally, you know,

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 2>ten year old Jasmine Sullivan's the presence and at some

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:09.280
<v Speaker 2>point then suddenly it's like okay, Eve. And at the time,

1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:12.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was like her and her girlfriends that

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:14.400
<v Speaker 2>she was stripping with or whatever, like they come to

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 2>the crib Malex bringing over these dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. They putting a ship out of my carpet.

1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean Beanie and and and yeah.

1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Chris and Nathan those guys, but I don't know them

1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 2>from a cannapign and they're putting it out of my carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started hating the jam sessions. So once it

1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 2>hit me, wait, wait, this is this is the stripper joint,

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 2>like the joint with the short hair that's on this record.

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.240
<v Speaker 2>And Rich was like yeah, and now I'm like a man,

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.560
<v Speaker 2>we're about to do that, like come to the studio

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:51.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like this is this is Like I don't

1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:54.240
<v Speaker 2>know how I feel about Like no, one had a

1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.360
<v Speaker 2>meeting with me about people on the record, So that's

1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 2>where communications started getting bad. So that was ain't saying

1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 2>nothing new. So it's like, okay, I'll put her ad

1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.680
<v Speaker 2>libs down because I'm just like, no one had a

1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.280
<v Speaker 2>conversation with me about it, so you got me time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm like, wait a minute, who's this rhyming on

1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the same situation, and I was just

1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>like yo, like y'all just putting people on this record

1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and not saying shit like this is our hit, Like

1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:29.120
<v Speaker 2>now we got we already have a voice on here,

1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and now what now another person is doing around like

1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:36.080
<v Speaker 2>this is our one chance to hit this ball out

1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the park.

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<v Speaker 1>There can only be one unknown and now there's like

1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:42.040
<v Speaker 1>four entities and like what do we do?

1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So that shit caused like a three week debate argument whatever.

1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:52.840
<v Speaker 2>So we get the song done, we're playing we're playing

1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:56.360
<v Speaker 2>it for MCA, and now they're like, okay, we believe

1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.439
<v Speaker 2>in the song, but you know, the girl sings good,

1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:02.920
<v Speaker 2>but we've like you should have a name to really

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:05.680
<v Speaker 2>do that, and we're like no, like.

1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.760
<v Speaker 1>This, she's killing the ship. She's killing the ship.

1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So then it became a group meeting of like you

1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:16.320
<v Speaker 2>got me just started to be a nightmare to deal with.

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Tarik didn't have a third verse. Now it's like, wait,

1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:23.440
<v Speaker 2>so now we gotta or who's going to tell Jill?

1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Who told you Jill?

1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:33.480
<v Speaker 4>No one, No, nobody told me?

1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow, nobody told me?

1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Guys mump at new Flash.

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<v Speaker 2>Communication it wasn't the best Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I want to I want to make an announcement.

1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to make an announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Communication was never the strong points.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't even like a mean spirited thing.

1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:57.720
<v Speaker 2>It was more just like, oh, he'll do it, or

1:02:57.760 --> 1:02:59.840
<v Speaker 2>he'll do it, or I got other ship to worry about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Jill when she heard it, I.

1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember, all right, I'm just saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, their logic was like yo, you know I've heard

1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:14.360
<v Speaker 2>stories of like well she wasn't marketable d D. This

1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to them was like this is, yeah, she sings great,

1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:20.680
<v Speaker 2>but she's unknown. And Berna hand beats too in the

1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 2>push and Eric about you said yes and you gotta

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:28.000
<v Speaker 2>do it, And then me and Bob Power and Tarique

1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:31.160
<v Speaker 2>we flew to Dallas, which at that point she was

1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:35.040
<v Speaker 2>literally it was still I think we did.

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<v Speaker 1>You got me?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe early ninety eight, because I know that Dre three thousand.

1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:46.680
<v Speaker 2>When we got to the studio, Erica just finished whatever

1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:50.040
<v Speaker 2>she was singing on Outcast's Liberation, so a quim and

1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't out yet, so I feel like this is

1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:53.479
<v Speaker 2>early ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>We get there, we do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was cool, but I didn't have the fire in

1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.320
<v Speaker 2>my soul that I felt with Jill's version. At one

1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:05.800
<v Speaker 2>point midway, Erica stopped and said, yo, her version is jamming, Yo, Like,

1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:08.840
<v Speaker 2>why don't y'all just use her version? And I was

1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.600
<v Speaker 2>about to agree, and Rich was like, you know, Rich's

1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:13.360
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is like, look, let's let's say be it

1:04:13.440 --> 1:04:15.600
<v Speaker 2>like just attempted a few times in Revenue and you

1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:16.960
<v Speaker 2>don't work with it. If it doesn't work, then da

1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:18.880
<v Speaker 2>da da da da. But knowing good and well, like

1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not leaving here without without your vocal, without this version,

1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:25.600
<v Speaker 2>because I ready to give it.

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<v Speaker 3>To play it a mirror, a mir who gets to

1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.080
<v Speaker 3>play it this week? Who should get to play it

1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:31.760
<v Speaker 3>this week?

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<v Speaker 1>On versus First of all, with this episode, even be it.

1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Does not matter, people will still want to know.

1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:39.240
<v Speaker 4>I just need to know this is after this just yes,

1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:41.800
<v Speaker 4>this would be afterwards, but still who gets who gets

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<v Speaker 4>the right to put.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's two versions of you Got Me, so Erica

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<v Speaker 2>can play her version from being's small part and from

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<v Speaker 2>bell part. I say, I say, I would say it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you did opera, jazz blues, no anybody, that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole.

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<v Speaker 4>It's long, it is long.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Jill's version of you You Got Me is also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>It is twentieth anniversary. It is I think that's rather cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, I was gonna say. I think two things. One,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jill.

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<v Speaker 2>Should get to play it because she wrote it. Two,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to offer my hot take the complexity.

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<v Speaker 2>Complexity is a far better song than You Got Me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just me. Let's start.

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<v Speaker 2>That's complexity because I must give Jill props with complexity

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<v Speaker 2>because complexity is a very hard word to sing, and

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<v Speaker 2>you would not said it that so well.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, complexity is my joint. That's like my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>roots Jill joint. I love that fucking song. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what weird We knock that often like fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it's knocking out very quickly and me actually

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<v Speaker 2>thinking like wow, this was not the like, thank god,

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't the drama that you got me? Was?

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<v Speaker 1>There was there.

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<v Speaker 4>Lyrics to complexity. When I came in, I don't remember no.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just hit me. It just hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>You were one of the fourteen for the you Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, we did you know what? Complexity was so

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<v Speaker 2>easy it made me forget the drama that was that

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<v Speaker 2>you got me or now you got me to break

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<v Speaker 2>you off?

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<v Speaker 1>To break you.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what's weird? E, this is so weird

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<v Speaker 2>to say this on the air. Jill, you wrote that

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<v Speaker 2>bridge break you Off? I forgot she wrote that?

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<v Speaker 3>Did she get that crut?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm thinking about that right now, Like wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>Now is your time for all apologies that you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I get to Actually I could do a whole episode

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<v Speaker 2>alone on the drama that was break you Off. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time it got to Jill, it wasn't even break

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<v Speaker 2>you off. It was magic Foster whatever it was, your your.

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<v Speaker 1>Metaphor magic false magic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea wait, Jill, you don't remember it, like like an

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<v Speaker 4>old Jill Scott poem.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you know the second part, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>second part that the second part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the song that music sings baby, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He changed the words, but that was that was Jill's course,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like it was it was some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of metaphorical uh definition of whatever, like i'll you know,

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<v Speaker 2>i'll stroke something and then your FOSSi turned.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I wrote that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the only part they kept was the baby, baby baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're it's we're different.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think carbon.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds foreign to you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think magic, fawcet, elementary.

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<v Speaker 2>No you you break you off. Started with weird enough

1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Keky Wyatt to read, all right, Who's who's the guy

1:08:19.320 --> 1:08:24.599
<v Speaker 2>that invented the King of Comedy? Uh no, no no,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh the guy that that promoted the other black

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Marves, not bi.

1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Al Hayman.

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<v Speaker 2>But whoever that guy is that? I mean, he's the

1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Will Packard of kind of for the comedy. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why Harvey, Steve Harvey and Mack and and all those,

1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:56.719
<v Speaker 2>etcric the entertainers are the stars they are now. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the one that threw the Kings of Comedy that Spike shot.

1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:04.360
<v Speaker 2>He had an idea to have a black SNL and

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<v Speaker 2>we shot that, uh that pilot in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like, the Roots were the house band.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of SNL.

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<v Speaker 2>We shot a blown up with earthquake and whoever the

1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:19.240
<v Speaker 2>black comedians were that were popping at the time shot

1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:22.240
<v Speaker 2>this thing, and the Roots were the house band, and

1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Kiki Whatt and Music were sitting in with us and

1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:26.400
<v Speaker 2>just fucking around.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it break you off gets birthed. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, that song we didn't sound check. That

1:09:31.040 --> 1:09:32.680
<v Speaker 1>was pretty cool and let's let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then it went for music to I think

1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Alicia had showed us up seven times, and then Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Lavert did his version, who he technically did the best version.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to Jill.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrote it, and then that didn't work out, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yep, that was my plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I can se.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my plan. It was also Frankie.

1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Beverly, No no, no, no no.

1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:10.439
<v Speaker 4>I had three George Benson, Geraldiver does Frankie Beverly.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That was when I was twelve.

1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:16.760
<v Speaker 4>That was my list twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>That mustache, but okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't really do mature old fast.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought he was fabulous because.

1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't twelve years old. Think about fucking Aretha Franklin.

1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:36.120
<v Speaker 2>When I was right, right, right, yeah, but yeah, that

1:10:36.280 --> 1:10:39.360
<v Speaker 2>song went around the world. Then then it went to

1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Blaud's version was the most curious because he was crying

1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>on his version.

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<v Speaker 4>Like.

1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:48.439
<v Speaker 1>And then somehow just wound up back to break you off.

1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:51.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's so by the time all that was

1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:54.479
<v Speaker 2>done then, yeah, complexity was done in like ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love that song. I love that song.

1:10:57.600 --> 1:10:59.760
<v Speaker 4>I like it when it's it's easy like that, when

1:10:59.760 --> 1:11:02.280
<v Speaker 4>it's you don't even think about it, it's just happening.

1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:04.960
<v Speaker 4>That's so fun, and then you go on to the

1:11:05.000 --> 1:11:10.120
<v Speaker 4>next thing. So how did I hear about it? I

1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:12.200
<v Speaker 4>was on twenty second Street. I was in North Philly.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think I was probably headed to my

1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:20.559
<v Speaker 4>theater job. I don't know, I'm not sure, probably, And

1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:24.960
<v Speaker 4>it was coming out of one of the hair beauty

1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:26.320
<v Speaker 4>supply places.

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<v Speaker 3>It was on you know how the wa It was

1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:33.559
<v Speaker 3>on the radio when I heard it, When she heard

1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:34.519
<v Speaker 3>a radio.

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<v Speaker 4>When I heard it for the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, we are horrible, we trash. Wait, wait, she's.

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<v Speaker 3>Still We played the record on the radio.

1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Wait, no, no, on the It.

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<v Speaker 4>Came out of the stores on twenty second Street. I

1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:53.360
<v Speaker 4>was coming to getting probably a perm or something, and

1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:57.200
<v Speaker 4>I was walking from the beauty supply place. It was

1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:59.799
<v Speaker 4>coming out of every store and I heard the beginning

1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:02.559
<v Speaker 4>and I got all excited. I was like, oh, ship

1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:06.519
<v Speaker 4>my my inner you know, my inner self. I'm just

1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:09.320
<v Speaker 4>so pleased and nobody knows. And I was like, oh

1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:11.679
<v Speaker 4>my god, and even when it comes on, nobody's gonna

1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:14.240
<v Speaker 4>know it's me. I'm so excited. And then I heard

1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:16.360
<v Speaker 4>a voice that was not my own, and I was like,

1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:23.439
<v Speaker 4>that's Erica and I'm looking, there's nobody to talk to.

1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.439
<v Speaker 4>I don't know anything. You know, I don't know anybody.

1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:30.599
<v Speaker 4>I can't share this story with anybody. So yet, I mean,

1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:32.680
<v Speaker 4>I were cell phones. I just think. I think. I

1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:35.720
<v Speaker 4>just walked to the end of the block. And by

1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:38.519
<v Speaker 4>the time I got there, I was like, Eric, aby

1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:39.800
<v Speaker 4>do is singing my song?

1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, my song?

1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:50.080
<v Speaker 4>No? No? I I as a writer to go from

1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:54.519
<v Speaker 4>ZIP to a Grammy Award winning singer singing your song

1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:59.000
<v Speaker 4>like I was like, I'm in, I'm in. I can't

1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.720
<v Speaker 4>even deny that. And then you guys were like, well,

1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:04.200
<v Speaker 4>let's take her on the road. And then I had

1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:06.960
<v Speaker 4>that horrible lawyer who tried to gank y'all for all

1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:09.720
<v Speaker 4>of this money. It was horrible. Luckily we were able

1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:10.880
<v Speaker 4>to work that out.

1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know.

1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:14.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it was terrible. She was just trying to bleed

1:13:14.880 --> 1:13:17.680
<v Speaker 4>you dry to sing a hook to one song. I

1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:21.120
<v Speaker 4>didn't do anything else but sing one hook. And then

1:13:21.560 --> 1:13:25.639
<v Speaker 4>you took me on the road and and treated me

1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:30.760
<v Speaker 4>like a newbie and left me in Paris.

1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that came through. I don't

1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:36.599
<v Speaker 3>know if you heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what happened? They Pis?

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<v Speaker 4>There was a ticket at the desk for me to

1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:51.680
<v Speaker 4>go home. Luckily, luckily, I got the ticket and had

1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:54.160
<v Speaker 4>to figure out how to get to the airport, because

1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:55.320
<v Speaker 4>you know the French, they don't like it if you

1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:58.479
<v Speaker 4>don't see French. Straight out of fact that I found

1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:01.639
<v Speaker 4>a way to get through the airport. Through the airport

1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:05.880
<v Speaker 4>at the time, they didn't have English translation on anything

1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:14.000
<v Speaker 4>in the French airport. In the Paris airport, you could.

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<v Speaker 4>You could left my ass in Paris, and I learned everything.

1:14:20.439 --> 1:14:23.840
<v Speaker 4>I learned everything from you. I'm gonna say I'm mayor,

1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:26.800
<v Speaker 4>but from the roots I learned how I don't want

1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:32.800
<v Speaker 4>to travel. I learned how I don't I don't know

1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:41.080
<v Speaker 4>about how you are now. But they put me in

1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:44.479
<v Speaker 4>a hotel that it was across the street from their hotel.

1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:48.800
<v Speaker 4>I think we were in Detroit, and they said, your

1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:51.639
<v Speaker 4>hotel is over there, and I was like over here.

1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:55.519
<v Speaker 4>They were like, yep, right across the street. Clearly, the

1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:58.400
<v Speaker 4>smell of cigarette smoke was so strong. When I walked

1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.080
<v Speaker 4>in the front door, I was like, I gotta take

1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:01.639
<v Speaker 4>a shower.

1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I gotta take a shower. I'm on a bus.

1:15:04.000 --> 1:15:06.839
<v Speaker 4>Full of dudes. I can't. I gotta take a shower.

1:15:07.320 --> 1:15:12.320
<v Speaker 4>So I go in the room and and it's you

1:15:12.360 --> 1:15:15.400
<v Speaker 4>know how, it's when the woodworks have been painted again

1:15:15.560 --> 1:15:21.759
<v Speaker 4>and again and again again. Yeah, the bad I questioned.

1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:24.599
<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, I can't do that. So I

1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:28.080
<v Speaker 4>took all the towels and I put them into and

1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.080
<v Speaker 4>I showered and dried off with my clothes and.

1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Got out of there.

1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:33.600
<v Speaker 4>But while I was in the shower, I had my

1:15:33.680 --> 1:15:38.080
<v Speaker 4>luggage up against the door because on the outside they

1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:44.720
<v Speaker 4>were like, I told you back my money sold on.

1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:46.639
<v Speaker 2>So let me understand that. So this was a hotel,

1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:48.920
<v Speaker 2>this was a motel. Like you opened the door and

1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:51.520
<v Speaker 2>it led to outside, It led.

1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:55.640
<v Speaker 4>To crazy house. It was a small house with winding

1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:58.040
<v Speaker 4>steps that they called the hotel that I think they

1:15:58.200 --> 1:15:59.280
<v Speaker 4>used prostution.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the damn halfway house.

1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:09.040
<v Speaker 4>That's where I was staying. Yes, samn, Yes, explains a lot,

1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:11.240
<v Speaker 4>because I bet you on that tour in Switzerland and

1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:13.400
<v Speaker 4>I was like, man, she showing short with the hello

1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:17.479
<v Speaker 4>nice Okay she was yeah.

1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Damn y'all had jill in the lack of wanna blues house.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys, I feel like everybody has to have They

1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.759
<v Speaker 4>have to be haze to a certain degree.

1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:30.280
<v Speaker 1>You have a writer.

1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.320
<v Speaker 4>It was the same way with theater. It's the same

1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.880
<v Speaker 4>way with this business. It's the same way with touring.

1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Y'all would do this.

1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:41.320
<v Speaker 4>This is my favorite. You never you didn't smoke. But

1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:49.320
<v Speaker 4>the guys would be like, yeah, me so, oh is

1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:49.800
<v Speaker 4>good for that?

1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:53.800
<v Speaker 3>No he is, admittedly, so he don't.

1:16:53.880 --> 1:16:55.920
<v Speaker 4>It was it was everybody. The only person that was

1:16:56.040 --> 1:17:00.559
<v Speaker 4>nice to me. Come Al was nice to me, and

1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:04.720
<v Speaker 4>Comar was nice to me. And Hub would occasionally hub.

1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay.

1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:11.360
<v Speaker 4>There was a gentleman there.

1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes.

1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Occasionally he would tell me you're doing okay and I

1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:24.840
<v Speaker 4>said okay. Other than that, that was it. I learned

1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:28.439
<v Speaker 4>so much. I learned so much. Thank you? Did I

1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.280
<v Speaker 4>ever tell you thank you? Did I ever tell you?

1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:35.640
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so so so much my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if we had the sound bite of

1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Miss Sophia saying, woman ain't chasing a house full of men.

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<v Speaker 4>Damn Yeah, that's the roughest tour I've ever been on

1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:53.320
<v Speaker 4>to maintain that fro, that whole tour, that that fro

1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:54.160
<v Speaker 4>was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>It made Muhammada go wait, somebody. I feel like.

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<v Speaker 4>That my barber had my hair looking like it was gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, remember barber's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Yeah, thank you so Jill, damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, okay, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I've done everything happens for a reason, nothing but none

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<v Speaker 4>of this would have happened if not for the other thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So right, it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first real extended conversation has lasted more than an

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<v Speaker 2>hour in our twenty years of knowing each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>now I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand why she ended up working with jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>Jail ladies and gentlemen. You hate to hear it, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate to say it, but you know, hey, it is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. That's only part one of our two

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<v Speaker 2>part interview with Jill Scott next week. We promise you,

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<v Speaker 2>promise you more, more and.

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<v Speaker 1>More, Jill.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know it was cool, right and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had to come in and I know anyway, QLs.

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<v Speaker 2>We will see y'all next week with part two of

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<v Speaker 2>Jill Scott.

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