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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Here on iHeart first of all our family. What's up

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Speaker 1: like you?

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Speaker 3: Hey? Yes?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why he can be sideye already me?

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Speaker 3: I'm not giving you said, I'm excited?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: No? No, I know this this is yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let me just bypass you guys some pay bill and

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Speaker 2: far Tickeola.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting for.

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Speaker 2: This episode, probably longer than we care to actually stay

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Speaker 2: on the records. I don't know why it's taken almost

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Speaker 2: three and a half years for us to finally bring

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Speaker 2: to fortune. Uh the Jill Scott episode. I can't say

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Speaker 2: enough about this woman. She helped me get my first Grammy,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate that. Jill Scott, she saved my life.

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Speaker 2: She gave me my first and only hit, Wow, why

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Speaker 2: only hit? No, Ladies and gentlemen, Jill Scott is much

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Speaker 2: more than that to me.

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Speaker 1: She's actually she's literally one of my.

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Speaker 2: Favorite artists ever, accomplished poet, singer, actress. Yes, extraordinaire, Please

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Speaker 2: welcome to Quest of Supreme.

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Speaker 1: Finally, one and only Jill.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Joe, what's your middle name? I'm gonna look this

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Speaker 2: up on the internet. Jill, Wait, why don't we know your.

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Jill, did you take your middle name

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Speaker 2: off of the Internet?

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Speaker 4: Internet?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you did?

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Speaker 1: W is it barbarabody?

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Speaker 2: Got a black ass middle name? Lady Scott, it's probably.

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Speaker 4: I like lo Renal.

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Speaker 2: Wait, are you trying to tell me that your middle

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Speaker 2: name will never be known to the world?

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Speaker 1: Ever?

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Speaker 4: If you search hard enough, you'll find it.

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Speaker 2: Jill is really secret, Like she didn't even want to

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Speaker 2: tell me where she was at. She didn't want to

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Speaker 2: tell me where her house was.

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Speaker 1: Not even a state. Yeah, not even because you're a

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Speaker 1: Philly for life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Philly all day?

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Speaker 1: And what.

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Speaker 4: I just like balance, man. I try to find a

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Speaker 4: place where people don't know me at all for anything,

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Speaker 4: and I go there and it's great. We have conversations

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Speaker 4: about something and nothing. We get angry with each other

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Speaker 4: and you know, call h O A on each other.

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Speaker 3: It's nice.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to tell me that you you're in a

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Speaker 2: circle in which people may or may not know who

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Speaker 3: That's right, No, not impossible. They are white.

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Speaker 2: I believe that I can believe that Yes, there's white famous,

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Speaker 2: and then there's black famous.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and white famous yes, and the white famous and

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Speaker 4: uh no incomes texts, no state income text All that

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Speaker 4: made sense to me an Acreage, I was like, yep,

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Wait, there's another place that's not Delaware that does this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm in Tennessee. Oh be good, she

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Speaker 4: said it. I was scared she was gonna get us

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Speaker 4: up if we said it. Oh yeah, I won't fight you, probably.

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Speaker 3: Nigga, I'm scared of you.

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 3: The first song was getting it. Let me tell you

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Speaker 3: about basilinay.

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Speaker 1: I never forget Jill, Jill am.

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Speaker 4: I story time.

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Speaker 3: Story time?

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Speaker 2: Can I sell you all the first seven words I

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Speaker 2: ever heard Jill Scott ever say? Okay, So, Jill Scott

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Speaker 2: is best friend with a mutual friend of ours, Leslie

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Speaker 2: Arnette Pina. Leslie is the voice of oh on Lazy Afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Or do you want more? Right? So, I believe maybe

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Speaker 1: this is when Leslie's cutting it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not certain, but what I do know is that

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Speaker 2: she brought her girlfriend down to the studio with her. Now,

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Speaker 2: what makes this even crazier I'm not knowing that the

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Speaker 2: guy that Jill was once dating is also currently messing

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Speaker 2: with a roommate of someone that I lived with in

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Speaker 2: the house that I was living in during the Do

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Speaker 2: You Want More?

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Speaker 1: Period?

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Speaker 2: This sounds like an episode of Insecure. So it's all

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: This is all I know. It's terrible, not sight unseen.

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Speaker 2: I sat down on the couch and she must have

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Speaker 2: gotten the news that that he did her wrong.

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Speaker 1: And she said, and the most.

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Speaker 2: Think of the most Oprah Harpo voice you can muster up,

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Speaker 2: she said, She said, Jill.

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Speaker 1: Scott, lady gentlemen. Yes, yeah, yep, Heather. Oh god, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I was doing. Internet just told me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing.

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Speaker 2: I was either midshew, I don't know if I was

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Speaker 2: at my lunch or reading something. But I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm scared of this woman forever.

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Speaker 3: What happened to him, what happened to do was gonna

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Speaker 3: get cut off whatever. Let's see. What do I know?

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Speaker 3: I know that.

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Speaker 1: Story at the house.

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Speaker 4: This I can't tell you the rest.

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Speaker 3: It's so bad.

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Speaker 2: I think the special limitations is that I think you

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Speaker 2: can go in Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I went to the house. I went to the house,

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Speaker 4: and and she was there at.

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Speaker 3: The house, right he right, sorry, right.

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Speaker 4: Drinking my kool aid out of the glass I bought. YEP,

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Speaker 4: I happened to have a razor blade.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right, this is question of supreme Thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep going. Everyone lived, Everyone lived, but his wardrobe

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Speaker 4: didn't live.

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Speaker 3: His ward.

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Speaker 1: Kind of everything.

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Speaker 4: And it was ever Erackey era everything and not on

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Speaker 4: the scene.

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Speaker 3: Where you can.

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Speaker 2: Settle something for me, Jill, was he at all? Was

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Speaker 2: he at all involved in music? Because I have another

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Speaker 2: issue with him three weeks later. Now, mind you, this

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Speaker 2: guy is messing with a girl that lives in my house,

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Speaker 2: and he steals my drum machine.

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Speaker 1: Dog.

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Speaker 2: I put two and two together way after the fact,

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Speaker 2: like you all just tarantinoed your way into my timeline,

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Speaker 2: and then I had to put the story together to

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Speaker 1: But he also, I have reason to believe that he

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Speaker 1: stole one of my drum machines that house probably, and

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Speaker 1: so yeah, but that's how that's that's how I had

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Speaker 3: The second Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the second time, Jill was made three grand.

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Speaker 2: Entrances in my life before I even started a real conversation.

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Speaker 4: With her.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The second one was a little blurry because at the

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Speaker 2: time I was at Richmond Dina's house. It was like

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Speaker 2: a barbecue whatever, and it was like a spades tournament.

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Speaker 2: And one of my greatest shames is also I learned late, right,

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Speaker 2: so that that part's a little blurry. But I remember

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Speaker 2: Jill there. But the third time with meeting Jill was

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Speaker 2: at a poetry slam in West Philadelphia around fifty fourth

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Speaker 4: I don't remember this.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember this, no, you all right?

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Speaker 2: So I believe either to Peter Mason introduced you, somebody

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Speaker 2: before it was like ladies and gentlemen, we're going to

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, from the back you went into Jo

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Speaker 2: Diesses freaking.

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Speaker 1: You from the audience.

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Speaker 2: So it was like ladies and gentlemen, Okay, that was

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Speaker 2: Ursula Rucker of Richmondina and you know coming up next

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Speaker 2: as a sister from North Philadelphia, right, But no, man,

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Speaker 2: it was like you know how like Felicia was shot

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Speaker 2: over Nazi eight where's like like her last name is Alan,

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Speaker 2: like Felicia Airs Allen or Debbie Allen from.

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Speaker 1: The back of the room every time I closed, and.

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Speaker 2: We lost our ghosts, like who the fuck is this?

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Speaker 2: And she's just like slowly walked to the stage. It

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Speaker 2: was like our were collectively wagging, like the fuck is that?

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Speaker 3: And I don't remember that at all.

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Speaker 4: Did I miss out on Jill's sexy poet like whole

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Speaker 4: sexual poetry thing?

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Speaker 1: That dog? You weren't there for that? No, I heard

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Speaker 1: nothing to be fucking yeah. In nineteen ninety nine, I

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Speaker 1: think you gotta be in.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen Oh pudding.

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Speaker 1: Pud' there's a wink in there.

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Speaker 2: No, but I believe two three weeks later this is

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Speaker 2: when you got me sort of.

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Speaker 1: You started coming around the Sigma with Scott.

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Speaker 4: So Nope, no, Jill tell a story. No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember Baltimaring. It was so much poetry at

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Speaker 4: the time. We were everywhere trying to earn fifteen dollars

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Speaker 4: just trying to earn a living as a poet. So

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Speaker 4: I really don't remember that. But I do remember the

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Speaker 4: night I met Yoe. Now we were on a I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to remember the brother's name. He had a small

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Speaker 4: record store, and he had closed the record store out

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Speaker 4: for the evening so people could read. I think Rich

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Speaker 4: might have been DJing.

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Speaker 1: That was Rich's spot. Oh, Keith my current my current

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Speaker 3: Years later, Yeah, it was Keith. Look at that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, in South Philly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so I think we were there, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 4: And I read something and I came off and you

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Speaker 4: said you do you write songs? And I lied, I

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Speaker 4: said yes, which I did not do, and you were like, okay, Bet,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to hook you up.

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Speaker 3: You should come to the studio.

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Speaker 4: Had I been to a studio yet? I don't even

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Speaker 4: think I had been to a studio anywhere except of

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Speaker 4: the night I met you at Aga Sigma Sigma Sound,

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Speaker 4: where I met you. That was the first time I

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Speaker 4: had ever been in the studio. This will be the second.

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Speaker 4: So you hooked me up with Scott Storch, who I

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Speaker 4: knew only because I had seen him play in the

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Speaker 4: keys at every jam session and every time that I

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Speaker 4: saw you guys perform. You know, Scott was there. You

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Speaker 4: You asked me if I could write a song. I said, okay,

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Speaker 4: didn't know how at all. And we sat there and

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Speaker 4: Scott and I got blazed for like, I don't know, like, so.

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Speaker 1: You Got Me?

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Speaker 4: Was that the first generation? Like you gave him your

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Speaker 4: first draft or you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Yeah, there were seven songs, but you got Me.

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Speaker 2: I still that cassette You Got Me was number three.

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Speaker 2: You worked on seven sketches. You Got Me was number three,

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Speaker 2: And when I heard it, I said to myself, this

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Speaker 2: song's going to change my life.

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Speaker 1: I knew ten seconds in when you sang it.

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Speaker 4: It was just every time you talk about that story,

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Speaker 4: Two dollars Bill performance. That's probably still one of my

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I was there.

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Speaker 2: We are, we are, We're jumping the gun. We're in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. Jill Scotty, Where were you born?

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Speaker 1: Where are you born.

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Speaker 4: At Albert Einstein Hospital in Philadelphia?

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Speaker 3: You want to be blue?

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Speaker 4: Oh N O r F yep, North Philly?

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Speaker 1: Where? Okay? Where in? Because North Phillies is anything above.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lee High? Oh yeah, Lee High, Broad Lee High Avenue.

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Speaker 4: I'm an English teacher.

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Speaker 2: Wow here Harley new Yee. Okay, so in growing up

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Speaker 4: It was beautiful. You know. There was neighbors who played

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know how to stop because I'm kind.

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Speaker 4: You know, it might so terrible, but I am I

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Speaker 3: So I figured out other ways.

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Speaker 4: Step to everybody, I don't well, I do, I do.

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Speaker 3: I have a sister from my father.

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Speaker 1: But you grew up the loon child. Yeah, household.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you didn't have the story of I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: My cousins hated. My cousins hated. I could read through

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Speaker 3: It sounded like like you It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I would never call it. I think.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was you didn't lose that too often.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't. It just wasn't fair. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 4: School was teaching English. It was dope. I loved it,

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Speaker 4: but they weren't very helpful.

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Speaker 1: Good got in and subsequently went back there to teach.

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Speaker 4: No. I went to girls High okay, but I taught

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Speaker 4: I quit everything that day, like this sucks. There's gotta

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Speaker 4: if you got y'all know.

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Speaker 3: Izzy, Yes, yes Jones.

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Speaker 4: Izzy Jones called me the day I quit everything and said, Yo,

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Speaker 4: there's an apprenticeship at the Ardent Theater Company. Do you

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Speaker 4: fifty dollars a week. You're gonna end up working somewhere

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Speaker 4: between fourteen and sixteen hours a week, but you'll get

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Speaker 3: What do you say?

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Speaker 4: And I auditioned and I had several meetings and I

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Speaker 4: One thing begat another Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So wait, so no freedom theater, none of this stuff

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Speaker 3: Your No, I wish I couldn't afford.

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Speaker 1: Were singing in church as as a young like none of.

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Speaker 3: Wait, so that meant that story about you, It was

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Speaker 4: Not being a part of freedom, but that like you

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Speaker 4: actually used to help clean up and do stuff around

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Speaker 3: That's not true.

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Speaker 4: The cleaning up part came later when I was in college.

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Speaker 4: But uh, that was that was just because I thought

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Speaker 4: it was dope. But I couldn't afford classes. Where you

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Speaker 4: took off two years.

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Speaker 1: Came back were major.

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Speaker 4: No. No, I don't even know how many times I

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Speaker 3: It was just a blur, I swear to you.

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Speaker 4: I just was trying to finish, to be the one

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Speaker 4: ended up giving me a honorary PhD, which I took.

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Speaker 5: And I took that, Scott, I went that.

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Speaker 4: On my passports so bad, like I don't know how

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Speaker 4: to get that done. I'm trying to tell you the first,

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Speaker 4: the first degree I earned. After that, they gave me

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Speaker 4: the next and the next. Food. I'm cool with it.

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Speaker 4: I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: Damn, Jill. I would have I would have known you, yo.

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Speaker 4: I got in the creative and performing arts. I really

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Speaker 1: I would have went to Kapa.

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Speaker 4: Why got into both schools to girls Hiding and Kappa,

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Speaker 4: I was like, I already got enough ship. Now I'm

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Speaker 4: going to south neighborhood. I'm scared, like they're gonna kill me.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna try to.

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Speaker 1: You said that like all day. Julie pronounced A scared

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Speaker 4: I was scared. I was like, they're going to kill me.

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Speaker 4: I can't go here. That was at the audition, and

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Speaker 4: I changed my mind and I got in as a writer.

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Speaker 1: You're creative writing major.

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Speaker 4: I was a creative I would have.

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Speaker 1: The English teacher.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been, but I changed my mind

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Speaker 4: and went to girls high instead.

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Speaker 1: That is crazy. Okay, okay, so wait, did you know

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Speaker 1: Sean in high school?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 4: We went on together?

450
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: Manager?

451
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: You know Sean in high school?

452
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Wow? Said she just said that.

453
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we weren't sure.

454
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: You were surely prom day?

455
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 4: No, we went on a prom together. We all went

456
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: and sat together.

457
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: We were same thing.

458
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many Sean?

459
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

460
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: It was me and my date, him and his date

461
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: Court and in his date, so it was six of us.

462
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: That's right. Wow, that's dope. That a story of you

463
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: and Sean, Like what an evolution Oh yeah, I think

464
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: I met him when I was I was fourteen. I

465
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 4: had to be fourteen or fifteen. I think I might

466
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: have been fifteen. But I got pictures of a young

467
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: showing in my office somewhere.

468
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: We need this black mail material.

469
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: Oh come on, y'all, wait damn I know, wait a

470
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: damn ship because I know Sean's gonna listen to this episode.

471
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: I got some really good on showing.

472
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: You got, you got some tapes, you got some rap tapes?

473
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: What you got?

474
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 3: What you got?

475
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: Man?

476
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: I scoured the earth for Showan's record. O, my god,

477
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: are you gonna pull up? All right? Wait, here's the

478
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

479
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: Now, I got it. And he, you know, like he

480
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: sounds like it's straight. He's straight ll eighty five like.

481
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: Right now, fante, he said he talked to his whole style.

482
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: That's what he says sounds.

483
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: But the thing is that Sean was like the family

484
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: star Tarika Fomo because, like, you know, Thanksgiving, Sean asked

485
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: twelve and single out.

486
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: And was getting played on local radio.

487
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: Blowie B was like, you know, and Tarik was like,

488
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: way they get a load of me.

489
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: And then that's what inspired to ree to like step up.

490
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 4: That Sean and Tica are cousins because most people up.

491
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is where it even goes deeper. Angela

492
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: Nissel my Angie, former Okay player, partner in current writer

493
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: at Mixed Dish. One day she asked me for like

494
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: some interstitial rap music, Like do I know, like a

495
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: real cheap, random rap song that's like kind of bad

496
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: from like nineteen eighty five eighty six, like when they

497
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: do a flashback thing like that time back in nineteen

498
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: eighty five.

499
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, then right, And so.

500
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: I was this close to getting that song clear on

501
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Mixed Dish, but I would have had to I would

502
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: have to been the owner of the publishing to make

503
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: it happen.

504
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Damn.

505
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, because I wanted to be something where

506
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: like se is just watching TV and it just hurt fem.

507
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 4: How do I get this?

508
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Oh, since I get off this phone, I will send

509
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: it to you.

510
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been saving I've been saving this record for

511
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: like the right woman to drop it.

512
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: I save this.

513
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: You know what I want?

514
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I want to hear the other six songs

515
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 4: that Scott and I did. What happened to them? I

516
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: don't know if you have them, but I'm curious because.

517
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, my first time with Scott not having Babbage, not

518
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: having baggage, right Babbage, Babbage, Oh Babbage right Babbage?

519
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh real weird?

520
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Scott. Scott was on the whole other level.

521
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, wait, wow, this is this is wonderful,

522
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: this is a beautiful sensation. Yeah. Yeah, that was Scott's

523
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: at work.

524
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: At what point, even though you didn't have a traditional

525
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: uh experience or community theater experience as most of our

526
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: guests do. Oh, like, where does music play in your

527
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 2: life for at least the first four miative years? Like

528
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: your first eight years? Like, what was the first record

529
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: you ever brought of? The first concert you went to

530
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: and allowed?

531
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: I said, well, she allowed to have it?

532
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wait.

533
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah right, blowing a dark record player. I was allowed.

534
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: Let's see, I my first record. I don't know the

535
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: first record, but I took the Whiz to my third

536
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: grade show and tell.

537
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: And everybody hated it. I was devastated. I me, something

538
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: was wrong with those people.

539
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: You played the wi.

540
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: And they hated it.

541
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: So you brought the records to school? Yes, and they

542
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: didn't appreciate it as.

543
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: Much at all.

544
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: They thought it was awful.

545
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: They booed I was like, you're all insane. I'm out

546
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: of here.

547
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm not what was your jam on the record?

548
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Jail?

549
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: Oh Brandon Day. You know how I know how you

550
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: are about the Wiz, Like, yes, the Wiz poster is

551
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: in a frame above my son's toilet.

552
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I think the Wiz is a great horror movie. Dude.

553
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: You know what.

554
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: The Wiz is a hard cell.

555
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: It is.

556
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: One night, one night, I just I conducted experiment. It

557
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: was one of these nights where where we had like

558
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving run uh, like a tour. I had Thanksgiving off,

559
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: but not enough to really like plan anything with family.

560
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: So this time I was stuck with a bunch of

561
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: people that I work with. We call them white people,

562
00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: and I was wondering when you were to me and

563
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to see how white people react.

564
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: To the Wiz.

565
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: Oh this is good.

566
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Yo. It freaked them out.

567
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: It was to them it was like an acid trip,

568
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: like and watching the Wiz through their eyes.

569
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: Then they were like, yo, this is the scariest ship

570
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: we have ever seen.

571
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Like now as a kid, like watching the Wiz and

572
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: when Eveline's when her nails nails go backwards and get

573
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here man. That was I think

574
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: we were just happening to see black people. I think

575
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: that's what it was. We was like, we got Michael Jackson,

576
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: we got Dan A. Ross, Like we're just happened to

577
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: see black people acting.

578
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: But but the force were so perfect. Black man can't

579
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: catch cab in New York City, Yeah, the young woman

580
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: who can't get out of the house, you know, still

581
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: living at home with her mama. You know, all of

582
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: those things that were actually occurring, to poppy fields or

583
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: the hookers on the street, you know all of that.

584
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: It was the metaphors were perfect for the hood. It was.

585
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: It was wonderful. As a writer, I just fell in love.

586
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: And then I met Quincy Jones and was like, I

587
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: just looked on you with the third grade. He was like,

588
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: I hated that. I hated that whole. Charlie, Yeah, Charlie.

589
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 4: They hated each other. Well, he hated Charlie because.

590
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: It's you know what it was, Okay, as the elder

591
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: statesman of this crew, because you all were three at

592
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: the time when it came out, I'm saying that to

593
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: watch like the morning that it came out, and to

594
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: watch it in its first run, I had to stand.

595
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: I had to stand in line for three and a

596
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: half hours. You remember the Sam Eric say that the

597
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: movies like you saw it. You know, I'm just saying, yeah,

598
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, no, no, no, no, the Wiz.

599
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think now that I'm looking

600
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: in hindsight, the excitement and the build up to what

601
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: The Whiz was was probably better than the movie itself. No, no,

602
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it was a bad film, because

603
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: this is the thing we have to know, Like Sidney

604
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: Lament technically lost his career after The Whiz, like after

605
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: batting out the Park with like Dark Day Afternoon was

606
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: the one. Yeah, all these other films that he did,

607
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: I think he did Cerproco and The Wiz was seen

608
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: as a failure now, you know. And I also have

609
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: issues with how black films are judged by non black critics.

610
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, by higher level.

611
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: So I know that there is also points off of

612
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: that of just craulually not understanding got Tony.

613
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we talking about it?

614
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: I know, but The Wiz is a hard cell now

615
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: recently watching it.

616
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: It's a hard cell.

617
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: Recently watching it, I realized what Jill was saying, like, oh, man,

618
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of the Whiz could also be like

619
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: a self esteem motivational package, because I saw it in

620
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: a whole different light now post therapy, life coach and

621
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: that stuff.

622
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, okay.

623
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: I see the lessons alive. You're standing straw.

624
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: Steve. Have you ever seen I saw The Wiz and

625
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: I saw the sequel Whiz Wit. Wait what I thought

626
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: that joke would do better? I don't say there's a

627
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: try to keep up reloaded.

628
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 4: I wanted another one. I really I still want another one,

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: but it couldn't.

630
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's the second what's this plot line of

631
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: the Wiz?

632
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: What's the second? What would be the next the sequel

633
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: in the Wiz? Like, what's the storyline?

634
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: It would have to be a lost Dorothy. A lost

635
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: Dorothy meaning she doesn't know who she is or how

636
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: to be. She's trapped in a world where she's uh,

637
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, weaved out and uh contacted and what

638
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: it may be. But I think I think there's a

639
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: lot of like that going on.

640
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Version of Wicked, just like they have it now.

641
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: You know, I love Wicked. That was because it was

642
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: so good. The sequel to the Wizard of Oz.

643
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: Was like, Yeah, what's better the movie or the soundtrack.

644
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: For the Wiz. Yeah, I'm gonna go with.

645
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: The movie because there's dancing allans. Soundtrack doesn't make sense

646
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: unless you've seen the movie.

647
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: And it's weird because the soundtrack is technically a story.

648
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: It's a movie without visuals, which is why I think

649
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: it was a hard sell for Jill to get a bunch.

650
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: Of third kids, third and fourth grade class.

651
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: Home teachers playing for them.

652
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: No I was a student.

653
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, they booed live anywhere. Y'all think home

654
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: can live anywhere?

655
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what does that mean?

656
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: What does home mean of the song? I'm just saying

657
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: the song, Oh yeah.

658
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: Anywhere, anytime, anybody. But I wouldn't want to see. I

659
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to see like pop stars sing it. I

660
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to see I would like to see, like,

661
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: grab some folks out of Juilliard, you know, and have

662
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: them portray these incredible people to make it stick to

663
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: it has ribs, you know, not just you know, fancy characters.

664
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that. I would like to

665
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 4: I would like Dorothy to have guts. I would like

666
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: her to be afraid.

667
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: What was it like for you to perform in front

668
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: of Michael Jackson at the thirtieth anniversary performance or was

669
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: that just a weird experience altogether?

670
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: It was a very strange experience. I got there and honestly,

671
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 4: it felt like nobody was there about before Michael Jackson,

672
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: no one, And that bothered me a lot because I

673
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: had turned down a role with Denzel Washington to be

674
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: there because I really really wanted to honor Michael Jackson

675
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: and I was doing the Whiz, so it meant a

676
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: lot to me. And I got there and it just

677
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 4: felt like nobody was about it, like nobody was really

678
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: there to honor him. And I remember getting on stage

679
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: and now they've added other people to this performance, which

680
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 4: really frustrated me too, great artists, but I just that's

681
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: not what I had in mind. And anyway, long.

682
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Story short, was your idea was to do? What to do?

683
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: You can't win? To have the scarecrows, the whole thing,

684
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: the dancing. I think they had Fatima on board at

685
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: the time to choreograph the thing. I wanted to present

686
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 4: him the Whiz, you know, the way that he did

687
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 4: it as best as I could with all of my heart.

688
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: And uh, that didn't work out. They kept adding other

689
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: people and then added something from the Wizard of Oz

690
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: to honor e Liza Minelli, who was his homegirl. And

691
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck? And I got on

692
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: stage and I looked to the left and there was

693
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson. He he was paper white. It wasn't like

694
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: it wasn't any kind of human white he was. He

695
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: was paper white. And I didn't want to look anymore.

696
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: I was like trying to hold back tears during the

697
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: performance because he was sitting Liza uh not e Liza

698
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: Manlly Taylor was sitting on one side of him, and

699
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: Macaulay Coffin was sitting on the other. He he just

700
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: didn't even look like a person. He was there. But

701
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: when I tell you that color was not a people color,

702
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: it just it was. It hurt me. It hurt me.

703
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: And I get off stage and I'm all upset. I'm

704
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: so upset, and everybody's so happy. I feels crazy. When

705
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: you're in the midst of this business and something impacts

706
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: you in a way, you know, you're, yeah, in the

707
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: midst of it. Like so I get off stage and

708
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 4: everybody's celebrating and how great that was, And I can't

709
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: even hear them. And then I turn my head and

710
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 4: there's Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston, and why Bobby, I

711
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: mean Whitney Houston, God rest her soul walks over and

712
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get myself together, and I look down

713
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: and all I could think was that her her knees

714
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: were bigger than and her thighs. My heart is racing,

715
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: and I just I cried the rest of the night.

716
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: I just I just could not stop crying. I could

717
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: not get myself together because these are people that I

718
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: admired and respected and wanted them to be okay, you know,

719
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: I wanted them to be healthy and and thrive, and

720
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: they just weren't. They just they just weren't.

721
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: What year was this.

722
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: Two thousand and one and the next day eleven, The

723
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: next day was nine to eleven one.

724
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: Because I know that there were I.

725
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: Don't know, I only had I did one and then

726
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 4: I saw it. It was on TV one night years later,

727
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: and I wasn't even in it, and I was like,

728
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: did you ever get to circle back? And like did

729
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: you ever speak with him? Did you ever get to

730
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: have contact with Michael? I just talked to him on

731
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: the phone he called me one time to say that

732
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: he liked me, and you know, that was it. I

733
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: was on tour and and he just called to say

734
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: that he liked me, and he was gonna send me

735
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: a hat that I never got. Yeah, I didn't. I

736
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: didn't like that Michael Jackson thing. I know, you don't know.

737
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm you've had.

738
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: You must have had quite a few moments of like

739
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: those industry clarity moments. I know Fonte has them all

740
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 4: the time too, when you just like.

741
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: This is where I wanted to be.

742
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Man, you mean as far as diminished returns are concerned.

743
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the reality of this reality.

744
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: So how long is it before it kicks into you? Now,

745
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: I got into an unfortunate place where the only way

746
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: that I could navigate my way through those disappointments was

747
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: to then lower myself and lower my spirit to a

748
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: place where I constantly just came in enough to be

749
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: disappointed exactly, which is really putting a band aid over

750
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: a bullet wound because it might help cope with that moment,

751
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: But in the long run, that didn't service like my

752
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 2: soul or my being and enjoying life and that sort

753
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: of thing, because then, I mean, you do that for

754
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: ten years, and then you become cynical, and then you

755
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: become evil, and then you become I mean, it's just

756
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: levels of low self esteem and all that stuff. So

757
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, how long was it until, like, for you,

758
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: was there ever a point where you're just like, oh,

759
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: all my idols might disappoint me, or let me not

760
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: meet them and let me not take this phone call

761
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: or have this lunch with this person. You know, I

762
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: didn't even know you could have access to Michael Jackson.

763
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, you had Prince.

764
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but.

765
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: Meeting him was a very big be careful for what

766
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: you ask for it because I meant, I'm not saying

767
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't idea. I mean we had great moments where

768
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: it was fun and it was like everything I dreamed

769
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: about playing with my idol.

770
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of I mean you've seen

771
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: that stuff.

772
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: There are a lot of moments that were like, ah, man,

773
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: it was better off in my head, the idea of

774
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: my head of Prince than what I got dealt with.

775
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: There are a couple of things. One is I'm really

776
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: grateful that I grew up as a Jehovah's witness. I

777
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: had posters of new addition on my wall.

778
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: I loved them.

779
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: I talked to them my grandmother. I came home one

780
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: day and my grandmother took all my posters down and

781
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: she said, you're idolizing these boys. And I was like, no,

782
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: I'm not, No, I'm not. And she's like, you're in

783
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 4: there talking to them and telling them how you feel.

784
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: They're they're painful.

785
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: No man is above you and no man is beneath you.

786
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: I was devastating. I didn't like my grandmother for a

787
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: long time.

788
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: That's real shit. Shit, Yeah, they cost you twenty bucks.

789
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: This is the shits of it all. You have these

790
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: dreams and you have these ideas of what the world

791
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: is supposed to be like, and it is what it is.

792
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: So what do I do.

793
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: I take the good wherever I can find it, and

794
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: I hold on to that as hard as I can.

795
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 4: That's all I can do.

796
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: The rest.

797
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: I see it for what it is, and you know,

798
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: I'll forgive it for because it's whack. You know, I'll

799
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 4: just forgive it because just cousin keep pushing. There's no

800
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 4: need to hold on to that shit. It's disturbing and disappointing.

801
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: But you know has there been times in your career

802
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: where it may have been someone that you met, like

803
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: a younger artist or just anyone where you think you

804
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: may have came across the wrong way to them and

805
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: kind of in the disappointment of them, and you had

806
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: to kind of go back and clear up and be like, yo,

807
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: I didn't really mean it that way, or whatever, like

808
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: have you ever found yourself on that side of the transaction.

809
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: I'm certain. I'm certain because I'm not, you know, perfect,

810
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm certain that they caught me in the middle of

811
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: something and I'm trying to deal, just to deal. I

812
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: remember this is a you know, an advanced artist.

813
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: But I saw sha Ka Khan. I was so excited.

814
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.

815
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: You please love me so much.

816
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: And we're at the Grammys. I think I won that time.

817
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: So I'm walking around like, oh ship, you know, I

818
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: want to write shoes. I wore flip flops. You know,

819
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: my feet don't hurts, so my personality is good, you know.

820
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. And one of her folks comes over

821
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: to me and they're like, miss miss Khan is upset

822
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: with you. I said, Miss Khan, who is a Shakaka

823
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 4: is upset with me, so I don't know, but I'm

824
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: going over there to find out because it's Shaka Khana

825
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: and I love her. So I go over there and

826
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 4: she was like, you called me a beast and.

827
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I'm glad you clear up.

828
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I had the good sense to

829
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: go over there. We laughed hysterically. I was like, you

830
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: know what I end, but.

831
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: Whatever, Like who got the goal to say that? Ship

832
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: to you? Ms conn for real? And me me?

833
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 4: You know, how could I call? I was like, oh

834
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: my god, this is this is crazy but very funny.

835
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: These things happen. These things happen.

836
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: What are the what are the beginning steps that starts

837
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: with you getting your record deal?

838
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, First of all, can you clear up something?

839
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: I'll try What was is Hidden Beach Michael Jordan's label?

840
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: And I'm only asking this because I'm so obsessed with

841
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: the ESPN thirty for thirty Michael Jordan's last dance documentary thing?

842
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah I was.

843
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: I think I was told that Hidden Beach was his

844
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: label or something like like what is what was Hidden Beach?

845
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 4: Well?

846
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: Hidden Beach?

847
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: Steve Keith and Michael Jordan invested. It was I think,

848
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 4: like the major investor in the face of.

849
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: At the time.

850
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know if if Steve or Michael, if Michael

851
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: like started the label and then had him running or whatever.

852
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: No, but it was it was incredible to be around him.

853
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 4: And uh, he certainly put me in really nice rooms. Sure, yeah, yeah,

854
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: he kind of liked me a little bit. And I

855
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: was glad I got a chance to see some things

856
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: and taste some things I didn't know existed. I was like,

857
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 4: what is this you say, don't.

858
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my buddies, a buddy mine from down here,

859
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: Charles Whitfield, he was around that time. And yeah, I've

860
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: heard a lot of those stories, the m J stories a.

861
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: While, parties, he was parties, all that.

862
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: It was.

863
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: It was great.

864
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 4: I don't know.

865
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Bulet.

866
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me.

867
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: Later what the Bulet? Oh, the Bulet is the black

868
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: scaling bones.

869
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: And bones and you know, the like Illuminati.

870
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Black they called the Bulet. Didn't want me, Okay,

871
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: they didn't want me. They recruiting one of my DC friends.

872
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Bill.

873
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: That's not for you to know, my friend.

874
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Clearly, thank you.

875
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: You don't know, Bill, I don't want to join society.

876
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 3: It's the black the black skull.

877
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: And black skull boats.

878
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: Okay.

879
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: They never wanted me ever, No, I didn't get the form.

880
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get my bulet.

881
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's real quiet because it's in it.

882
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: Listen, be in it. Tell us jif so, you've known

883
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: Amir for a long time, longer than you know of us.

884
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: Have God, you see him evolve? Who is the who

885
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: is the person?

886
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: You met?

887
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: You this question? She's next? How have you seen?

888
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, in the in the beginning, he was so quiet.

889
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 4: He hardly ever said anything to me. He barely ever

890
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: looked me in the face. And you in my line,

891
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: you hardly ever looked me in the face. And I

892
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: was coming in and give me a hug, give me

893
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 4: a hug. And I had to, you know, like.

894
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Actually.

895
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 4: Five years ago we were more lovely than you were.

896
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: Rich was a lovey.

897
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, you know.

898
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: Do you remember you had played? I was on the

899
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: road with you guys. You had played or something, and

900
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 4: you were really tired, and I was like, well, let

901
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: me massage your ankles. Do you remember this? And I

902
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: came to your room and massaged your ankles, and you

903
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: fell asleep.

904
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: That's my jail.

905
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: By the way, were like, I don't even let my

906
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: fucker see my ankles.

907
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: He's very sexy.

908
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: He allowed me that time and he rested, and which

909
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: is what I hope for. He seems so stressed and tired,

910
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, ankles.

911
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: It is rare. Amir did not rest So that was

912
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: a big right, Okay, I have massaged.

913
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: A lot of people in this lifetime.

914
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Just I wish I remembered this.

915
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: It's just like you forgot.

916
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I think I can help.

917
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: It's not there.

918
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: I just think I can help.

919
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: Wait wait, side note, side note because wait, wait, side note,

920
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: because the first time that Erica tells the story of

921
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: didn't you know, she said the same thing about Dylan

922
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: and I hit him. I'm like, wait a minute, you

923
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: had a massage by eric a bad when you was

924
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: making like she was massaging him as he was cutting up,

925
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: chopping up the sample, the blue sample.

926
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't remember it happening like that, though

927
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: it was.

928
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 4: It was anything but sweetness. It was good, and which good.

929
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm probably the happiest place in my life right now. Uh, Jill,

930
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 2: So that look you, thank you.

931
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Take that on paid Bill sho a

932
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: sweat your ward motherfucker.

933
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 4: Though, So now that we did all the soft and

934
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: can I just ask because the story, because I know

935
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: that Jill ended up on tour singer you got Me?

936
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: But how did we get.

937
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: To the point of the different vocalist? And then I

938
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: want to know?

939
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so on the verses, here's the deal.

940
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I want to hear yours.

941
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: Here's so.

942
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: What I remember was Joe and I had a lunch date.

943
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: And do you remember us going to Copas two on

944
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: South Street.

945
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

946
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jill.

947
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: Jill is one of six people whose demo I actually

948
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: listened to and actually liked, like envy that it wasn't mine.

949
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: The other and I've said the story before.

950
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: The other acts were blow Slim Village, little Brother, Jill Scott,

951
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: Georgia m Maldreu. She's been around along that Jay Davy.

952
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: No I heard it.

953
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 4: I never let you forget. He told me I would

954
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 4: never sell a record. No no no no.

955
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no

956
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: no no no.

957
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot.

958
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Now, first of all, this is me, that is met.

959
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Does that sound like me or that's sound like Rich Nichols.

960
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: That was you.

961
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like you shut up, Steve Wowe.

962
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Wait, Jill, you brought this up. Before you brought this up.

963
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: You brought this up, and I and I have issue

964
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: with this. I don't think I ever said that.

965
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Alternate fact.

966
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: No, listen, I remember sitting at the table you handed

967
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: me your your your discmand Yes it was.

968
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety eight.

969
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: I still have that, by the way, And.

970
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: I remember first I was like, wait a minute, there's

971
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: someone else in Philadelphia making music.

972
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: First of all, I was m vias of the tracks

973
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: because I didn't know.

974
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: You are skating around this one song. I'm just trying

975
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: to get that.

976
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: Not no no, no, no no no, I'm gonna get to that.

977
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: But this starts at Copas. It starts at Copas. And

978
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: she said that. I said never. I don't think that ever.

979
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: Like Joe Biden.

980
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm the king, Jill, I'm the king of

981
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: my thoughts and my words being on the opposite sides

982
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: of the town. But I don't think there's ever a

983
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: time in life in which I was not your biggest fan.

984
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: So why is it not her a eve?

985
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 5: I'm just just.

986
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that.

987
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that.

988
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: Okay, but Jill, No, no, no, But Jill has always

989
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: said that in the beginning, I wasn't fully supportive and

990
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: I said that she would never sell anything, only because

991
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that I thought that, or maybe I

992
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: just thought like, oh, this is so good that maybe mainstream.

993
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.

994
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: That mainstream audience won't get this, but I was instantly

995
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: in love with it.

996
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: I've heard this story about baduism. I haven't heard it

997
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: about Jill.

998
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 4: Damn. You told her she wouldn't make it without you.

999
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no.

1000
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: What I heard what you saying? I've read in the magazine.

1001
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: It was I think it was Vibe or something you

1002
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: heard about the wism and you were like, yo, I

1003
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: like it, but will you know the hood get it?

1004
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: We'll just right.

1005
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: I think the things that I love isn't necessarily palatable

1006
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: to mainstream America, and that I was wrong. So maybe

1007
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to say, but I in

1008
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: no way was I not. I want to I want

1009
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 2: to repaint this history between you and I, Jill Scott

1010
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: and saving the record that I was your I mean,

1011
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: if I took a lunch date with you about your music.

1012
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: I've never invited no one to the studio but you,

1013
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: and that includes D'Angelo and Erica and anyone else I've

1014
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: worked with.

1015
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: You're literally the lone human being. Angelo. He just didn't

1016
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: show up left.

1017
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: So all right, now you know I heard that quote.

1018
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: I was listening to the episode that quote. It's an

1019
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: inside joke, all right. So now for Liea's story. All right,

1020
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: So the story you got me is I hear it

1021
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: and instantly know that this is going to change my life.

1022
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: I run downstairs from Joe Tarcia's room where Scott's playing

1023
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: it for me.

1024
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: Me, Scott and.

1025
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: Rich are listened to the results of him and Jill,

1026
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: and we're like, that's the one. And instantly I told

1027
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: Scott stop playing it because I don't want Rich getting demo.

1028
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: As we ran downstairs, I did it.

1029
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: So the German bassed argument was probably like a three

1030
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: day thing, and I was like, okay, great, I'll just

1031
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: do it the regular way. I won't put any fancy,

1032
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: spancy things on it, and I'll do it.

1033
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: We do the song. It's fucking awesome. So we go

1034
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: to New York and this is what Reek's vocals on

1035
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: and everything is done and done? Or is it just

1036
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: the best? You know what I think?

1037
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: I think he struggled with the last verse, so I know,

1038
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: all right, So we have other issues going on.

1039
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, So here's the deal.

1040
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: Communication in the roots band in the nineteen ninety nine

1041
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 2: wasn't too.

1042
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Much all motherfuckers? Why but we know.

1043
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: There's something that you guys don't know. Communication and the

1044
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: roots band here isn't two ideas. So here's the all right,

1045
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: so snack number one and you got me? Okay number one.

1046
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: I mean, we've we've made it very public. Malik's codependency

1047
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: problems now becoming a major problem for the band. There

1048
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: have been situations of fights and money.

1049
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: And all this stuff, and it's sort of like, well

1050
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: is he or is he? What's he doing? Is he

1051
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: drinking too much? Da da da da?

1052
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: And then you see vals of white powder and shit

1053
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: and so we're dealing with that type of drama. So

1054
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: something happens that gets us kicked out of Sigma because

1055
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: of Malik.

1056
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: So now Vocal Vocal.

1057
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: Headquarters are now at Larry Golds at the studio. So

1058
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: problem number one is we're not all in the same

1059
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: place at the same time, working and interacting. So now

1060
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: it's like a factory. Joe Tarcia still likes me because

1061
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: of his history with my father, so sort of like

1062
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: a mirror. You can stay, but you know, Malick and

1063
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: all his running buddies and all that stuff. They gotta

1064
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: do right. So all music's being tracked at Sigma and

1065
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: then we send them to Seventh and Cala Hill to

1066
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: the studio to be recorded. So while that's happening, there's

1067
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: also a third factor is mixing. So between mixing with

1068
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: the Axual NEOs and Bob Power. So in the morning

1069
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm tracking, and then the evening I'm mixing in New York.

1070
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: Suddenly I'm getting these tapes and I'm hearing this girl

1071
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: like wait, and I'm calling Rich like wait, who's this

1072
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: female voice on track fourteen doing ad libs? And he

1073
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: was like, you know that girl, Eve, that's her, and

1074
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, man, come on.

1075
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: Oh I even have a part in the ear.

1076
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1077
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: She was Wow, that's no, that.

1078
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: Was Rique em Mail and come on.

1079
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: And I mean, look, by this point and we're we're

1080
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: totally skipping over, like the jam sessions that are happening

1081
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: at the house and everyone being at the house. So

1082
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: Jill's a presence, Jaguars a presence, the jazzy fan Nazis

1083
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: are a presence, News a presence. Uh occasionally, you know,

1084
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: ten year old Jasmine Sullivan's the presence and at some

1085
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: point then suddenly it's like okay, Eve. And at the time,

1086
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, it was like her and her girlfriends that

1087
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: she was stripping with or whatever, like they come to

1088
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: the crib Malex bringing over these dudes.

1089
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. They putting a ship out of my carpet.

1090
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean Beanie and and and yeah.

1091
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 2: Chris and Nathan those guys, but I don't know them

1092
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: from a cannapign and they're putting it out of my carpet.

1093
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: So I started hating the jam sessions. So once it

1094
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: hit me, wait, wait, this is this is the stripper joint,

1095
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: like the joint with the short hair that's on this record.

1096
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: And Rich was like yeah, and now I'm like a man,

1097
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: we're about to do that, like come to the studio

1098
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 2: and I'm like this is this is Like I don't

1099
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: know how I feel about Like no, one had a

1100
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: meeting with me about people on the record, So that's

1101
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: where communications started getting bad. So that was ain't saying

1102
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: nothing new. So it's like, okay, I'll put her ad

1103
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: libs down because I'm just like, no one had a

1104
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: conversation with me about it, so you got me time.

1105
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, wait a minute, who's this rhyming on

1106
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: the thing?

1107
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: And it was the same situation, and I was just

1108
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: like yo, like y'all just putting people on this record

1109
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: and not saying shit like this is our hit, Like

1110
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: now we got we already have a voice on here,

1111
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: and now what now another person is doing around like

1112
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: this is our one chance to hit this ball out

1113
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: the park.

1114
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: There can only be one unknown and now there's like

1115
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: four entities and like what do we do?

1116
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: So that shit caused like a three week debate argument whatever.

1117
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: So we get the song done, we're playing we're playing

1118
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: it for MCA, and now they're like, okay, we believe

1119
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 2: in the song, but you know, the girl sings good,

1120
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: but we've like you should have a name to really

1121
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: do that, and we're like no, like.

1122
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: This, she's killing the ship. She's killing the ship.

1123
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: So then it became a group meeting of like you

1124
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: got me just started to be a nightmare to deal with.

1125
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: Tarik didn't have a third verse. Now it's like, wait,

1126
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: so now we gotta or who's going to tell Jill?

1127
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Who told you Jill?

1128
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: No one, No, nobody told me?

1129
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: Wow, nobody told me?

1130
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: Guys mump at new Flash.

1131
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: Communication it wasn't the best Wait.

1132
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to I want to make an announcement.

1133
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: I want to make an announcement.

1134
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: Communication was never the strong points.

1135
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like a mean spirited thing.

1136
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: It was more just like, oh, he'll do it, or

1137
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: he'll do it, or I got other ship to worry about.

1138
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: That's Jill when she heard it, I.

1139
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: Remember, all right, I'm just saying that.

1140
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: Really, their logic was like yo, you know I've heard

1141
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: stories of like well she wasn't marketable d D. This

1142
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: to them was like this is, yeah, she sings great,

1143
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: but she's unknown. And Berna hand beats too in the

1144
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: push and Eric about you said yes and you gotta

1145
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: do it, And then me and Bob Power and Tarique

1146
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: we flew to Dallas, which at that point she was

1147
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: literally it was still I think we did.

1148
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: You got me?

1149
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: Maybe early ninety eight, because I know that Dre three thousand.

1150
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: When we got to the studio, Erica just finished whatever

1151
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: she was singing on Outcast's Liberation, so a quim and

1152
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't out yet, so I feel like this is

1153
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 2: early ninety eight.

1154
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: We get there, we do it.

1155
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: It was cool, but I didn't have the fire in

1156
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: my soul that I felt with Jill's version. At one

1157
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: point midway, Erica stopped and said, yo, her version is jamming, Yo, Like,

1158
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: why don't y'all just use her version? And I was

1159
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: about to agree, and Rich was like, you know, Rich's

1160
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: whole thing is like, look, let's let's say be it

1161
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: like just attempted a few times in Revenue and you

1162
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: don't work with it. If it doesn't work, then da

1163
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: da da da da. But knowing good and well, like

1164
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving here without without your vocal, without this version,

1165
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: because I ready to give it.

1166
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 3: To play it a mirror, a mir who gets to

1167
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: play it this week? Who should get to play it

1168
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: this week?

1169
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: On versus First of all, with this episode, even be it.

1170
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: Does not matter, people will still want to know.

1171
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: I just need to know this is after this just yes,

1172
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: this would be afterwards, but still who gets who gets

1173
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 4: the right to put.

1174
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: Well, there's two versions of you Got Me, so Erica

1175
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: can play her version from being's small part and from

1176
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: bell part. I say, I say, I would say it's.

1177
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: Because you did opera, jazz blues, no anybody, that's that's

1178
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: a whole.

1179
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: It's long, it is long.

1180
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: It was.

1181
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: Jill's version of you You Got Me is also one of

1182
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: the things fall apart.

1183
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: It is twentieth anniversary. It is I think that's rather cute.

1184
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I was gonna say. I think two things. One,

1185
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: I think Jill.

1186
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: Should get to play it because she wrote it. Two,

1187
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: I would like to offer my hot take the complexity.

1188
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: Complexity is a far better song than You Got Me.

1189
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: That's just me. Let's start.

1190
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: That's complexity because I must give Jill props with complexity

1191
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: because complexity is a very hard word to sing, and

1192
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: you would not said it that so well.

1193
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, complexity is my joint. That's like my favorite

1194
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: roots Jill joint. I love that fucking song. You know

1195
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: what weird We knock that often like fifteen minutes.

1196
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: I remember it's knocking out very quickly and me actually

1197
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: thinking like wow, this was not the like, thank god,

1198
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 2: this wasn't the drama that you got me? Was?

1199
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: There was there.

1200
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 4: Lyrics to complexity. When I came in, I don't remember no.

1201
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: But it just hit me. It just hit me.

1202
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: You were one of the fourteen for the you Oh

1203
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: my god, we did you know what? Complexity was so

1204
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: easy it made me forget the drama that was that

1205
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: you got me or now you got me to break

1206
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: you off?

1207
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: To break you.

1208
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 4: Remember that?

1209
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: And you know what's weird? E, this is so weird

1210
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: to say this on the air. Jill, you wrote that

1211
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: bridge break you Off? I forgot she wrote that?

1212
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: Did she get that crut?

1213
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking about that right now, Like wait

1214
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: a minute.

1215
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: Now is your time for all apologies that you have to.

1216
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: Wait?

1217
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: I get to Actually I could do a whole episode

1218
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: alone on the drama that was break you Off. By

1219
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 2: the time it got to Jill, it wasn't even break

1220
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: you off. It was magic Foster whatever it was, your your.

1221
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: Metaphor magic false magic.

1222
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: Yea wait, Jill, you don't remember it, like like an

1223
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 4: old Jill Scott poem.

1224
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know the second part, you know the

1225
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: second part that the second part.

1226
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: Of the song that music sings baby, right.

1227
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: He changed the words, but that was that was Jill's course,

1228
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: and it was like it was it was some sort

1229
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: of metaphorical uh definition of whatever, like i'll you know,

1230
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: i'll stroke something and then your FOSSi turned.

1231
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 4: You know, I wrote that.

1232
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: Well, the only part they kept was the baby, baby baby,

1233
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: and then you're it's we're different.

1234
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: But I think I think carbon.

1235
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 3: It sounds foreign to you.

1236
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 4: I think magic, fawcet, elementary.

1237
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,959
Speaker 2: No you you break you off. Started with weird enough

1238
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: Keky Wyatt to read, all right, Who's who's the guy

1239
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: that invented the King of Comedy? Uh no, no no,

1240
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: but uh the guy that that promoted the other black

1241
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: Steve Marves, not bi.

1242
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 1: Al Hayman.

1243
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: But whoever that guy is that? I mean, he's the

1244
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: Will Packard of kind of for the comedy. He's the

1245
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: reason why Harvey, Steve Harvey and Mack and and all those,

1246
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 2: etcric the entertainers are the stars they are now. He's

1247
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: the one that threw the Kings of Comedy that Spike shot.

1248
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: He had an idea to have a black SNL and

1249
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: we shot that, uh that pilot in two thousand and one,

1250
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: and it was like, the Roots were the house band.

1251
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: Think of SNL.

1252
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: We shot a blown up with earthquake and whoever the

1253
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: black comedians were that were popping at the time shot

1254
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: this thing, and the Roots were the house band, and

1255
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: Kiki Whatt and Music were sitting in with us and

1256
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 2: just fucking around.

1257
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: That's how it break you off gets birthed. And it

1258
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: was like, hey, that song we didn't sound check. That

1259
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: was pretty cool and let's let's do it.

1260
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: And so then it went for music to I think

1261
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: Alicia had showed us up seven times, and then Joe

1262
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: Lavert did his version, who he technically did the best version.

1263
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: I want to Jill.

1264
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: Wrote it, and then that didn't work out, and then

1265
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: I think, yep, that was my plan.

1266
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: I can se.

1267
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 4: That was my plan. It was also Frankie.

1268
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 3: Beverly, No no, no, no no.

1269
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 4: I had three George Benson, Geraldiver does Frankie Beverly.

1270
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 3: I don't know. That was when I was twelve.

1271
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 4: That was my list twelve.

1272
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 3: That mustache, but okay, yeah.

1273
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't really do mature old fast.

1274
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 4: I thought he was fabulous because.

1275
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't twelve years old. Think about fucking Aretha Franklin.

1276
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: When I was right, right, right, yeah, but yeah, that

1277
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: song went around the world. Then then it went to

1278
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 2: Blaud's version was the most curious because he was crying

1279
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: on his version.

1280
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 4: Like.

1281
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: And then somehow just wound up back to break you off.

1282
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so by the time all that was

1283
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: done then, yeah, complexity was done in like ten minutes.

1284
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: So I love that song. I love that song.

1285
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 4: I like it when it's it's easy like that, when

1286
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 4: it's you don't even think about it, it's just happening.

1287
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 4: That's so fun, and then you go on to the

1288
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 4: next thing. So how did I hear about it? I

1289
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 4: was on twenty second Street. I was in North Philly.

1290
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 4: I think I think I was probably headed to my

1291
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 4: theater job. I don't know, I'm not sure, probably, And

1292
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 4: it was coming out of one of the hair beauty

1293
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 4: supply places.

1294
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: It was on you know how the wa It was

1295
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 3: on the radio when I heard it, When she heard

1296
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: a radio.

1297
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 4: When I heard it for the first.

1298
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: Time, we are horrible, we trash. Wait, wait, she's.

1299
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 3: Still We played the record on the radio.

1300
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: Wait, no, no, on the It.

1301
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 4: Came out of the stores on twenty second Street. I

1302
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 4: was coming to getting probably a perm or something, and

1303
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 4: I was walking from the beauty supply place. It was

1304
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 4: coming out of every store and I heard the beginning

1305
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 4: and I got all excited. I was like, oh, ship

1306
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: my my inner you know, my inner self. I'm just

1307
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 4: so pleased and nobody knows. And I was like, oh

1308
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: my god, and even when it comes on, nobody's gonna

1309
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 4: know it's me. I'm so excited. And then I heard

1310
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 4: a voice that was not my own, and I was like,

1311
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 4: that's Erica and I'm looking, there's nobody to talk to.

1312
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 4: I don't know anything. You know, I don't know anybody.

1313
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 4: I can't share this story with anybody. So yet, I mean,

1314
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 4: I were cell phones. I just think. I think. I

1315
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 4: just walked to the end of the block. And by

1316
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 4: the time I got there, I was like, Eric, aby

1317
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 4: do is singing my song?

1318
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: Okay, my song?

1319
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: No? No? I I as a writer to go from

1320
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 4: ZIP to a Grammy Award winning singer singing your song

1321
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 4: like I was like, I'm in, I'm in. I can't

1322
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 4: even deny that. And then you guys were like, well,

1323
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: let's take her on the road. And then I had

1324
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 4: that horrible lawyer who tried to gank y'all for all

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 4: of this money. It was horrible. Luckily we were able

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 4: to work that out.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it was terrible. She was just trying to bleed

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 4: you dry to sing a hook to one song. I

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: didn't do anything else but sing one hook. And then

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01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 4: you took me on the road and and treated me

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01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 4: like a newbie and left me in Paris.

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that came through. I don't

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01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: know if you heard that.

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: Wait what happened? They Pis?

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 4: There was a ticket at the desk for me to

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01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 4: go home. Luckily, luckily, I got the ticket and had

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 4: to figure out how to get to the airport, because

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 4: you know the French, they don't like it if you

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 4: don't see French. Straight out of fact that I found

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 4: a way to get through the airport. Through the airport

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01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 4: at the time, they didn't have English translation on anything

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 4: in the French airport. In the Paris airport, you could.

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 4: You could left my ass in Paris, and I learned everything.

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01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 4: I learned everything from you. I'm gonna say I'm mayor,

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 4: but from the roots I learned how I don't want

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 4: to travel. I learned how I don't I don't know

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01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 4: about how you are now. But they put me in

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: a hotel that it was across the street from their hotel.

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 4: I think we were in Detroit, and they said, your

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 4: hotel is over there, and I was like over here.

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01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 4: They were like, yep, right across the street. Clearly, the

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 4: smell of cigarette smoke was so strong. When I walked

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 4: in the front door, I was like, I gotta take

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 4: a shower.

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: I gotta take a shower. I'm on a bus.

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01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 4: Full of dudes. I can't. I gotta take a shower.

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01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 4: So I go in the room and and it's you

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01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 4: know how, it's when the woodworks have been painted again

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 4: and again and again again. Yeah, the bad I questioned.

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01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I can't do that. So I

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 4: took all the towels and I put them into and

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 4: I showered and dried off with my clothes and.

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 3: Got out of there.

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 4: But while I was in the shower, I had my

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01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 4: luggage up against the door because on the outside they

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 4: were like, I told you back my money sold on.

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: So let me understand that. So this was a hotel,

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: this was a motel. Like you opened the door and

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01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,520
Speaker 2: it led to outside, It led.

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 4: To crazy house. It was a small house with winding

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01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 4: steps that they called the hotel that I think they

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01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 4: used prostution.

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: That was the damn halfway house.

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 4: That's where I was staying. Yes, samn, Yes, explains a lot,

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 4: because I bet you on that tour in Switzerland and

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01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 4: I was like, man, she showing short with the hello

1379
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 4: nice Okay she was yeah.

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01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: Damn y'all had jill in the lack of wanna blues house.

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 4: You guys, I feel like everybody has to have They

1382
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 4: have to be haze to a certain degree.

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01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: You have a writer.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 4: It was the same way with theater. It's the same

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 4: way with this business. It's the same way with touring.

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 3: Y'all would do this.

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 4: This is my favorite. You never you didn't smoke. But

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 4: the guys would be like, yeah, me so, oh is

1389
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 4: good for that?

1390
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 3: No he is, admittedly, so he don't.

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01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 4: It was it was everybody. The only person that was

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 4: nice to me. Come Al was nice to me, and

1393
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 4: Comar was nice to me. And Hub would occasionally hub.

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

1395
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 4: There was a gentleman there.

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01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 5: Yes.

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 4: Occasionally he would tell me you're doing okay and I

1399
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 4: said okay. Other than that, that was it. I learned

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01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 4: so much. I learned so much. Thank you? Did I

1401
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 4: ever tell you thank you? Did I ever tell you?

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 4: Thank you so so so much my life.

1403
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: I feel like if we had the sound bite of

1404
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: Miss Sophia saying, woman ain't chasing a house full of men.

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 4: Damn Yeah, that's the roughest tour I've ever been on

1406
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 4: to maintain that fro, that whole tour, that that fro

1407
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 4: was beautiful.

1408
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 3: It made Muhammada go wait, somebody. I feel like.

1409
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 4: That my barber had my hair looking like it was gorgeous.

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,480
Speaker 1: Man, remember barber's.

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, thank you so Jill, damn it.

1412
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, it's.

1413
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: Okay, it's okay.

1414
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 4: I've done everything happens for a reason, nothing but none

1415
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 4: of this would have happened if not for the other thing.

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 3: So right, it's like.

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01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: Our first real extended conversation has lasted more than an

1418
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 2: hour in our twenty years of knowing each other, and

1419
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: now I don't.

1420
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 1: Understand why she ended up working with jazz.

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01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: Jail ladies and gentlemen. You hate to hear it, I

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01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: hate to say it, but you know, hey, it is

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01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: what it is. That's only part one of our two

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: part interview with Jill Scott next week. We promise you,

1425
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: promise you more, more and.

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: More, Jill.

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know it was cool, right and then

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: I had to come in and I know anyway, QLs.

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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: We will see y'all next week with part two of

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01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 2: Jill Scott.

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