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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to hoops tonight. You're at the VAUL.
Speaker 1: You have you Monday, everybody. Hope all of you guys
Speaker 1: had an incredible weekend. We just got a quick show
Speaker 1: for you today. We're gonna hit Suns Magic as the
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic had a defensive masterclass in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: just completely strangling the Suns as they came back to
Speaker 1: win by double digits. I thought that was super revealing
Speaker 1: about both teams. So we're gonna talk about that game
Speaker 1: for a little while, and then, as we usually do
Speaker 1: on Mondays, we're gonna do an edition of our power rankings.
Speaker 1: My power Rankings. Two weeks ago, those ten teams combined
Speaker 1: to lose twenty five games over the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of gonna be like a weirdly negative
Speaker 1: version of the power rankings because basically, aside from the Clippers,
Speaker 1: there were really ugly moments for every team in that list.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna update our power rankings and then we'll
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Speaker 1: talk some basketball. So, as I said, a complete and
Speaker 1: total defensive masterclass from the Orlando Magic. And I just
Speaker 1: to give you guys, just set the stage here a
Speaker 1: little bit. The Magic forced the Suns into seven turnovers
Speaker 1: just in the fourth quarter. From the ten minute mark
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter to about the two minute mark
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, they allowed just two points to
Speaker 1: a team led by Devin Booker, Bradley Beale, and Kevin Durant. Right,
Speaker 1: if you watch it on tape, there were a couple
Speaker 1: of decent looks in there, but man, they could barely
Speaker 1: even break free for a half decent look at the
Speaker 1: basket over that stretch. It was an amazing stretch of
Speaker 1: defensive basketball from the Orlando Magic in every phase of
Speaker 1: the game, in ball pressure situation, just getting up into
Speaker 1: the ball handlers as they're trying to bring the ball
Speaker 1: out the floor, when they're singing ball screens off ball
Speaker 1: denial played a huge role in this game, which forced
Speaker 1: them into a bunch of turnovers. You know. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because Orlando brings very like they bring wave after
Speaker 1: wave of physicality and like every phase of the game, right,
Speaker 1: you've got these point of attack guys that can be
Speaker 1: up in your business, Guys like Jalen Suggs, right, Guys
Speaker 1: like Markel Foltz, Guys like Anthony Black had an amazing
Speaker 1: stretch defensively in that fourth quarter. Then their ball handlers
Speaker 1: bring a certain level of that sort of kind of physicality, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's Palla Mancaro playing with a ton of physicality
Speaker 1: scoring in the posts in the fourth quarter, made a
Speaker 1: kickout on a double team to Franz Wagner for three.
Speaker 1: Franz in pick and roll brings a certain physical imposition
Speaker 1: to it, right. And then even they're big guys like
Speaker 1: move Wagner dominated the fourth quarter this game by killing
Speaker 1: Drew Eubanks in an individual matchup, just by rolling hard
Speaker 1: to the rim and scoring through contact and crashing the
Speaker 1: offensive glass. Yeah, length on the perimeter with guys like
Speaker 1: Jonathan Isaac, it's just wave after wave that they bring
Speaker 1: a you in terms of their physicality, and to Jamal
Speaker 1: Moseley's credit, like it's part of the culture of this team.
Speaker 1: It was kind of fun watching this game this morning
Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, I'm watching on I'm watching with
Speaker 1: the volume on, and you know, typically I'm listening to
Speaker 1: one of the uh the you know, the commentator crews
Speaker 1: for one of those league pass for league pass right.
Speaker 1: But in this particular game, what was dominating the audio
Speaker 1: kind of portion of the tape was the magic bench
Speaker 1: as they would force a turnover or play great individual
Speaker 1: defense and force a tough shot. It almost sounded like
Speaker 1: a college game with the way that you'd see the
Speaker 1: entire bench and coaching staff like freaking out on the
Speaker 1: bench after every time they make a play, getting excited.
Speaker 1: Everyone's on their feet. You can tell this team wants
Speaker 1: to be great at defense. It is part of their culture.
Speaker 1: It is everything about their basketball identity. And the two
Speaker 1: guys that I wanted to like shine a particular light
Speaker 1: on in this video were Anthony Black and Jonathan Isaac.
Speaker 1: I thought they kind of like like wrong the run,
Speaker 1: so to speak. In the middle of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: Anthony Black was on Bradley Beal at this phase in
Speaker 1: the middle of the fourth Devin Booker was actually on
Speaker 1: the bench, and Jonathan Isaac was on Kevin Durant. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the combination of ball pressure
Speaker 1: and off ball denial and how that can cause issues. Right, So,
Speaker 1: when you apply ball pressure, one of the most frequent
Speaker 1: things that you can do to a ball handler is
Speaker 1: cause them to speed up. It's actually very rare to
Speaker 1: find ball handlers that are good at handling ball pressure
Speaker 1: by slowing down and using it to their advantage. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why not having a point
Speaker 1: guard on this particular team. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: been overplayed a little bit from the same point of like,
Speaker 1: offensive initiation is offensive initiation. But if there is one
Speaker 1: way or one form of the game where missing a
Speaker 1: point guard has hurt this team, it's ball pressure. And
Speaker 1: I think you particularly see that at the end of
Speaker 1: games when teams really pick up their defensive pressure. Like
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, if it were
Speaker 1: up to them, they'd rather get to their spots first.
Speaker 1: They would rather start where the pick and roll stars.
Speaker 1: They'd rather start where the ISO starts, or starts start
Speaker 1: where the post up starts. Right. But like when part
Speaker 1: of the game is like actually getting the ball up
Speaker 1: the floor and getting into one of those spots, they
Speaker 1: can struggle a little bit there. And you've seen that
Speaker 1: in the turnovers throughout the season, which like literally has
Speaker 1: been a massive problem for the Suns all season long.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that the Magic do really
Speaker 1: well is we see so many teams in the NBA
Speaker 1: load up right, and when you load up, it makes
Speaker 1: easy passes. I mean, they're difficult in the sense that
Speaker 1: you have to get him over the top of the
Speaker 1: defense and across the court, but they leave openings on
Speaker 1: the weak side right. And so what will end up
Speaker 1: happening is you'll see a guy dribble in the basketball
Speaker 1: and there'll be a guy guarding him and they'll be
Speaker 1: digging down into driving lanes and kind of packing the
Speaker 1: paint right, and then the swing passes tend to be open.
Speaker 1: And you know what those defenses are trying to do
Speaker 1: is try to get you to basically settle for jump
Speaker 1: shots right, like they're looking to get you to pass
Speaker 1: the ball around the perimeter, because no one wants to
Speaker 1: drive into that thicket of defenders and take tough jump
Speaker 1: shots right. One of the things the Magic will do
Speaker 1: is they'll get up in you with ball pressure and
Speaker 1: then they'll n off the ball. And so what ends
Speaker 1: up happening there is there actually are some driving lanes,
Speaker 1: but when you have strong individual defenders, guys like Anthony Black,
Speaker 1: guys like Jonathan Isaac, Guys like Jalen Suggs. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: when you have those guys out there, the dude on
Speaker 1: the ball isn't just slashing around them and getting wide
Speaker 1: open layups, right, And so what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: when the on ball defender does a good job of
Speaker 1: basically forcing the on ball offensive player to either rush
Speaker 1: or to pick up his dribble or to get into
Speaker 1: a tough spot, then he starts looking for kickouts, right,
Speaker 1: but where are the kickouts? The ball is getting denied,
Speaker 1: and so that's what ended up leading Phoenix into so
Speaker 1: many of these turnovers. You would see, you know, Devin
Speaker 1: Booker or Bradley Beal dribble into a tough spot, pick
Speaker 1: up their dribble and end up in trouble. And there's
Speaker 1: Jonathan Isaac just with the long arm of the laws,
Speaker 1: so to speak, denying Kevin Durant that post entry or
Speaker 1: high post entry, and they can't get that pass in there.
Speaker 1: And so now they're throwing the ball all over the court,
Speaker 1: turning it over and like just the singular, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of force on defense of Anthony Black and Jonathan
Speaker 1: Isaac in that mid fourth quarter stretch. Just making Bradley
Speaker 1: Beal and Kevin Durant make a lot of mistakes went
Speaker 1: a long way to turning this game around. Because the
Speaker 1: thing with Orlando is they're not a very good offensive
Speaker 1: team right. In fact, they're a bad offensive team. Just
Speaker 1: to give you guys some stats, they scored ninety four
Speaker 1: points six points per one hundred half court possessions. That
Speaker 1: ranks twenty sixth in the NBA. According to Cleaning the Glass,
Speaker 1: they are the third worst pick and roll attack in
Speaker 1: the NBA including passes. They are the tenth worst ISO
Speaker 1: attack in the NBA including passes. They are the third
Speaker 1: worst post up attack in the NBA including passes. They're
Speaker 1: not good in transition like that. A lot of it
Speaker 1: is just it's a young basketball team with young shot
Speaker 1: creators learning how to be more efficient in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about Palo and Frans in the long
Speaker 1: run in their ability to become much more efficient shot creators.
Speaker 1: But they're young, they're learning on the fly, right and
Speaker 1: so their biggest advantage right now is they're huge. They're athletic,
Speaker 1: and they're young, and they play hard, and so they
Speaker 1: find ways to get into basketball games on the strength
Speaker 1: of their defense, and that's what they did. Like they
Speaker 1: they found a way to disrupt Phoenix's offense more than
Speaker 1: Phoenix could disrupt their offense, and that flipped the dynamic
Speaker 1: of the game again. They forced Phoenix into more turnovers
Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter than they had made field goals.
Speaker 1: It's seven turnovers and just five made field goals. And
Speaker 1: it's because their defense is flat out oppressive. Fifth in
Speaker 1: defensive rating, seventh in defensive rebounding percentage, sixth and half
Speaker 1: court defense according to Cleaning the Glass, fifth in transition
Speaker 1: defensive points added per one hundred possessions. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a catch all transition stat on Cleaning the Glass. They
Speaker 1: are the second best team in the league at forcing turnovers,
Speaker 1: sticking to that idea that I talked about about in
Speaker 1: ball pressure, aggressive blitzing, denying off the ball, just making
Speaker 1: it extremely difficult rushing teams into making mistakes. Right, They
Speaker 1: are the eighth best team in the league at limiting
Speaker 1: opponent three point makes. They are fourteenth and protecting the paint.
Speaker 1: But a big of that, A big part of that
Speaker 1: is when you're ball pressuring and you're denying, if someone
Speaker 1: does break through their layups to be had. Also, the
Speaker 1: center position has been a little inconsistent for them all year,
Speaker 1: in large part because of injuries. Right, So, again credit
Speaker 1: to Jamal Moseley's got these dudes locked in on that
Speaker 1: end of the floor. Credit to all the individual players
Speaker 1: for being uh for taking that on as a basketball character. Again,
Speaker 1: I will say watching them this year has been fun
Speaker 1: because of the just the energy and the verve that
Speaker 1: they bring to trying to win games in a way. Like, again,
Speaker 1: there's an offensive limitation there that is that is roster based.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna change. You can't. They're not gonna just
Speaker 1: suddenly become a great offense this season. They need to
Speaker 1: slowly reach that point through player development. Right, But like,
Speaker 1: they can still win NBA games on their strengths, and
Speaker 1: they're so locked in and so disciplined and their and
Speaker 1: their their their habits are great, their communication is great,
Speaker 1: all the details are there, and it's allowing them to
Speaker 1: be a respectable NBA team in spite of their offensive limitations.
Speaker 1: They've even a lot of good teams this year. They
Speaker 1: have thirteen wins against teams that are five hundred or better.
Speaker 1: That's the ninth most in the NBA and then on
Speaker 1: the Phoenix front. So there are three major issues that
Speaker 1: come off the screen for me most of the times
Speaker 1: that I watched the Suns this season, but especially in
Speaker 1: that game last night, one their stars struggling to handle
Speaker 1: ball pressure. They've had forty three turnovers in the last
Speaker 1: two games, including the Pacers game. They're actually the fifth
Speaker 1: worst team in the league at taking care of the basketball.
Speaker 1: I talked about this earlier, but again, like you know, Phoenix,
Speaker 1: I don't think that their lack of a point guard
Speaker 1: so to speak, affects their ability to score because when
Speaker 1: they do get into the half court setting and they
Speaker 1: do get one of their stars to their spot, whether
Speaker 1: it's Devin Booker getting ready to run a ball screen
Speaker 1: or a kind of face up ISO at eighteen feet,
Speaker 1: or it's Kevin Durant doing the same thing, or it's
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal you know, getting his like kind of downhill
Speaker 1: ISOs that he goes to where he's hitting a bunch
Speaker 1: of in and out dribbles. Right Like, regardless of where
Speaker 1: those spots are, when they get there, they're efficient. You
Speaker 1: don't have to look far to see the points per
Speaker 1: possession data and see that those guys can get quality
Speaker 1: shots when they get to those spots. But teams, what
Speaker 1: we've seen consistently throughout the year is aggressive defense towards
Speaker 1: those guys. That's the book is out, Like, that's what
Speaker 1: the scouting report says. The scouting report says, ball pressure
Speaker 1: the hell out of Phoenix. Just ball pressure them, and
Speaker 1: over the course of the game, you'll kind of wear
Speaker 1: them down physically. And Like, one of the things that
Speaker 1: I've talked about is, like I talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the value of strength in basketball, and you know, we
Speaker 1: look at it with rebounding, and we look at it
Speaker 1: with like defense and holding your position and stuff, but
Speaker 1: strength is a big thing on the offensive end of
Speaker 1: the floor too. You want to know why Nikola Jokic
Speaker 1: like always seems to kind of like thrive in those
Speaker 1: rock fight environments. He's so damn big and strong that
Speaker 1: you can't really deny him the basketball. Like Joel Embiid's
Speaker 1: the only guy I've really ever seen do it. He's
Speaker 1: just so big and strong he's going to be able
Speaker 1: to physically hold somebody off long enough to create a
Speaker 1: passing angle. Right. Like in general, like we used to
Speaker 1: do this drill when I was when I was in
Speaker 1: college my last year in college, we called it the
Speaker 1: tight space passing drill, and it was like basically from
Speaker 1: the lane line to the corner kind of like up
Speaker 1: to where like the block was, and then back to
Speaker 1: the sideline like a square just kind of there in
Speaker 1: the short corner, and we'd put three defensive players or
Speaker 1: three offensive players in there and two defensive players and
Speaker 1: basically we would just apply great ball pressure on the
Speaker 1: ball with one guy and then that other guy's kind
Speaker 1: of splitting the difference. But it's in such a small
Speaker 1: space that it's tough, and so it really comes down
Speaker 1: to fighting for position. Like the on ball guy has
Speaker 1: a dude swiping at him and getting physical and being
Speaker 1: really aggressive, and so he has to be strong with
Speaker 1: the basketball to like create space for him to see
Speaker 1: the floor, and then one of those other two guys
Speaker 1: has to fight for position to create a passing angle
Speaker 1: for that second for that of the guy with the
Speaker 1: ball to actually make that pass. And we did it
Speaker 1: all the time because it was one of the drills
Speaker 1: that my coach a shout out coach Jeff Rudder at
Speaker 1: Arizona Christian University. He kind of implemented that as a
Speaker 1: way to learn how to better take care of the
Speaker 1: basketball because one of the things that I consistently talk
Speaker 1: about is when you run into really good teams, they
Speaker 1: tend to be big and strong and athletic, right, And
Speaker 1: teams that are big and strong and athletics tend to
Speaker 1: be really good on defense, and really good, big, strong,
Speaker 1: athletic defensive teams tend to be very physically aggressive, and
Speaker 1: they tend to try to get up into the basketball
Speaker 1: and get up into passing lands, no different than the
Speaker 1: Orlando Magic like we were talking about earlier, right, And
Speaker 1: so you know, one of the things is like, these
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys that are kind of used
Speaker 1: to operating from their spots, and these are a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that aren't particularly strong for their position, and
Speaker 1: so when teams bring really physical ball pressure, really physical
Speaker 1: ball denial, they can struggle to create openings. And you
Speaker 1: saw that. I think that's been a I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the most clear weaknesses in this team that
Speaker 1: the league knows about, and that the league is going
Speaker 1: into these games looking to exploit. Like finesse is cool
Speaker 1: and all like, and it's a huge part of player development.
Speaker 1: And God knows that I teach that to the kids
Speaker 1: as well when I'm coaching my high school team. Right,
Speaker 1: but like it's all at all, it all can go
Speaker 1: south when somebody punches you in the mouth, right, when
Speaker 1: somebody brings real physicality to the situation. Finesse can't be
Speaker 1: your only move. You've got to be able to do
Speaker 1: both right and then again like even extending onto the
Speaker 1: defensive end of the floor, when you when you've got big,
Speaker 1: strong guys like a Nicole Jokich or Franz Wagner and
Speaker 1: Pala Bancaro mo Wagner bring in just this like real
Speaker 1: kind of like downhill verve to the situation. It's that
Speaker 1: strength that allows you to hold up in those situations.
Speaker 1: And so, like Phoenix is going to eventually run into
Speaker 1: a team in the playoffs that is big, strong and
Speaker 1: can bring that certain like physical imposition to the game,
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. They're going to have to find
Speaker 1: a way to handle it. Now, there are some solutions, right,
Speaker 1: Like one of the things you can do to combat
Speaker 1: ball pressure is like don't have the guy bring it
Speaker 1: up against the best defensive player, right, Like find Paolo's
Speaker 1: man or Franz's man and have them bring the ball
Speaker 1: up the floor, right, Like have Eric Gordon or Grayson
Speaker 1: Allen bring the ball up the floor so that you're
Speaker 1: not going against Anthony Black, so that you're not going
Speaker 1: against Jonathan Isaac. Those are things that you can do right,
Speaker 1: But the reality is is they just have to be better.
Speaker 1: Kevin Urant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal have to get
Speaker 1: better at handling those aggressive coverages, handling that ball pressure,
Speaker 1: handling that ball denial. Because, to put it simply, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be what teams do in the postseason if they
Speaker 1: get into a first round series with the team the
Speaker 1: other team is gonna sit down and they're gonna start
Speaker 1: talking about their advantages, and one of the first things
Speaker 1: they're gonna look at is like, we got to get
Speaker 1: up into these guys ninety four feet and just try
Speaker 1: to wear them down at the point of attack and
Speaker 1: try to force them into their worst tendencies. Number Two,
Speaker 1: The second biggest thing that stood out for me on
Speaker 1: the screen, true, you Banks probably can't play for you
Speaker 1: in a playoffs. Now. To be clear, use of Nurkic
Speaker 1: was out in this particular game, but Drewy Banks has
Speaker 1: been kind of their backup center a lot of this
Speaker 1: a lot for a lot this season. They've gone with
Speaker 1: a bunch of other guys as well. But he got
Speaker 1: his aunt his lunch eaten by Mo Wagner last night.
Speaker 1: It was really struggling with him on hard rolls to
Speaker 1: the basket, was getting beat on baseline crashes on the
Speaker 1: offensive glass. There was one where it was like a
Speaker 1: middle fourth quarter where Drew kind of like saw Mo
Speaker 1: Wagner coming from that left side corner turn and like
Speaker 1: went to box him out, and Moe just like literally
Speaker 1: just ran him over. But like Drew just turns and
Speaker 1: starts complaining to the refs. But like one of the
Speaker 1: things there is like fighting for your position actually goes
Speaker 1: a long way there. Like if you don't really fight
Speaker 1: for your position there and Mo comes in, the ref's
Speaker 1: not gonna want to reward you for not holding your ground,
Speaker 1: right unless you flop extravagantly, right, in which case you
Speaker 1: might get a call, depending on what kind of ref
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. Right, But like he like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: just if you actually like sit there and fight and
Speaker 1: hold your ground. If Mo pushes through you, then you
Speaker 1: probably get an over the back call, but he just
Speaker 1: got manhandled by Mo all over the floor, you know.
Speaker 1: And again like this is gonna be an issue with
Speaker 1: them over the course of this playoff run as well,
Speaker 1: is what do you do about the center position? Like
Speaker 1: Usuf Nurkic is gonna hold up really well in certain matchups,
Speaker 1: but then there are gonna be other matchups where it
Speaker 1: puts them in a predicament where they get attacked a
Speaker 1: lot and pick and roll, right, We've seen that throughout
Speaker 1: the season. So that center position is going to be
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on, and it may come
Speaker 1: down to them having to do a lot more of
Speaker 1: the KD at the five than maybe they wanted to
Speaker 1: when it comes time for the postseason. And then number three,
Speaker 1: the defensive commitment has to be part of their identity.
Speaker 1: It can't just be a fad that they do for
Speaker 1: a week or two. It's got to be something that
Speaker 1: they stick to long term. They had this seven game
Speaker 1: winning streak they defended the defense has completely fallen apart since,
Speaker 1: like they were really sloppy against Orlando. They were bad
Speaker 1: in transition defense, not getting matched up, they were bad
Speaker 1: in their pick and roll coverages. Drew Eubanks was like
Speaker 1: atrocious in pick and roll. They're on ball guys were
Speaker 1: bad in pick and roll. They were hugged up on
Speaker 1: shooters off the ball, Like Bradley Beal at one point
Speaker 1: was just watching them score and pick and roll while
Speaker 1: he's standing guarding Anthony Black in the corner, who's a
Speaker 1: thirty percent I think a thirty three percent corner three
Speaker 1: point shooters. So, like, their off ball stuff isn't good.
Speaker 1: They're getting beat on back cuts, they're getting beat on
Speaker 1: offensive rebound crashes. You know, Like and especially in a
Speaker 1: game like that last night, defense could be what helps
Speaker 1: you regain control because Orlando's offense isn't good. One of
Speaker 1: the ways that Phoenix could have fought through that mess
Speaker 1: was really lock in on defense, force Orlando into their
Speaker 1: worst tendencies and look for transition opportunities and try to
Speaker 1: kind of beat Orlando to two spots before they can
Speaker 1: really load up on their stars. Right, But like that
Speaker 1: just wasn't the thing. It was like, as the offense
Speaker 1: was falling apart against Orlando, their defense was also falling apart.
Speaker 1: And that's how I mean, that's how you end up
Speaker 1: with the twenty one to two run as the game
Speaker 1: kind of flips on them like that. The bottom line
Speaker 1: is the Suns are top heavy. They have three awesome
Speaker 1: players Kevin Durant, Bradley Beal, and Devin Booker, and they
Speaker 1: have two solid role player guards, Eric Gordon and Grayson Allen, Right,
Speaker 1: and then they have some flawed role players like Josha
Speaker 1: Kog and use Off Nurkic who are really good at
Speaker 1: some things and really bad at others, right, and then
Speaker 1: it's like a big drop off, like the rest of
Speaker 1: the roster are mostly guys that would not even be
Speaker 1: in rotations for really good playoff teams around the league.
Speaker 1: And specifically, none of their top five guys on that roster,
Speaker 1: saying Kevin Durant, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker, Er, Gordon, Grayson Allen,
Speaker 1: none of those top five guys other than KD can
Speaker 1: really inflict their physicality on the game, right, So what
Speaker 1: does that mean? They can't afford to not be sharp
Speaker 1: on the details, right, Like they're gonna lose a lot
Speaker 1: of battles just because of their personnel, especially defensively, especially
Speaker 1: on the glass, right, Like that, some of that stuff
Speaker 1: is just kind of baked into the roster. So what
Speaker 1: you can afford to do is also give up the
Speaker 1: plays that are to come from mistakes. Right, this team
Speaker 1: does not have the margin for error to not be disciplined,
Speaker 1: to not be sharp, to not have good habits. And
Speaker 1: it's not something that they can do for two weeks
Speaker 1: and be fine. They need months. They need months of
Speaker 1: these habits built up to go into the playoffs and
Speaker 1: be ready to get to be ready to compete physically
Speaker 1: at that point. Right, Like, one of the things we
Speaker 1: talked about with Denver last year after the postseason, and
Speaker 1: where I had to admit I was wrong, is like
Speaker 1: they were a mediocre defense through most of the season,
Speaker 1: but they were huge. There was a physical imposition on
Speaker 1: the game that they were able to bring, and then
Speaker 1: they had good athlete defenders and cacp and Aaron Gordon
Speaker 1: that could take primary point of attack assignments and so
Speaker 1: they actually became a good defense when they got into
Speaker 1: that postseason environment. Phoenix does not have that luxury. They
Speaker 1: have to be incredibly sharp. Every single guy on the roster,
Speaker 1: including their skill guys, has to be locked in on
Speaker 1: those details and it's just something to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on over the course of the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: They will hemorrhage points in many phases of the game.
Speaker 1: Because of their physical limitations. They can't also be lazy.
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Speaker 1: Moving on to our power rankings. So, as I said,
Speaker 1: we had twenty five losses out of our top ten
Speaker 1: teams from two weeks ago. Specifically, our top eight teams
Speaker 1: lost eighteen games. So this is gonna be a weirdly
Speaker 1: negative power rankings in the sense that, like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kind of complain about all the teams to some extent,
Speaker 1: just because I thought like a lot of their downsides
Speaker 1: were on display this year. It's just gonna be kind
Speaker 1: of the theme, except for the Clippers. The Clippers went
Speaker 1: five and ozens our last rankings, so they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: We had two teams drop out, the Pelicans, they've gone
Speaker 1: two to four since our last rankings and basically lost
Speaker 1: to every good team they played over that span. In
Speaker 1: their defense is falling apart. Then the Miami Heat. They've
Speaker 1: lost six games in a row. They've been the worst
Speaker 1: offense in the league over that span in the twenty
Speaker 1: ninth ranked defense, so the bottom's falling out for Miami.
Speaker 1: They're off the rankings for now as well, So without
Speaker 1: any further ado, Number ten, the Indiana Pacers. Pascal Siakam
Speaker 1: is already helping the Pacers hold up better in the
Speaker 1: physicality areas of the game. He's averaging eight rebounds per game.
Speaker 1: Before the trade, the Pacers were the fourth worst rebounding
Speaker 1: team in the league. In the six games since the
Speaker 1: Pacers have been the eighth best rebounding team in the league.
Speaker 1: So from fourth worst to eighth best just since the
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam trade just goes to show you how much
Speaker 1: having a real high quality NBA forward as that low
Speaker 1: man in the four spot can help reinforce a team
Speaker 1: that was really struggling in the physicality areas of the game.
Speaker 1: They've never been much of an offensive rebounding team, but
Speaker 1: they've been the fourth best offensive rebounding team since the trade,
Speaker 1: so they've brought a new element to their offensive attack
Speaker 1: through attacking the offensive glass. They actually beat Phoenix the
Speaker 1: other night just relentlessly attacking the offensive glass. They've now
Speaker 1: won three games in a row, all without Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam in the sixth game span is averaging twenty
Speaker 1: one points, eight rebounds, and six assists on fifty nine
Speaker 1: percent from the field thirty nine percent from three to two.
Speaker 1: It's giving them a legit shot creation. So far in
Speaker 1: six games for the Pacers, Siakams ran sixty pick and rolls,
Speaker 1: ISOs and post ups, including passes, leading to eighty points
Speaker 1: eighty one point three three points per possession. I talked
Speaker 1: about this before the trade, but Pascal was having one
Speaker 1: of his best shot creation seasons of his career in
Speaker 1: Toronto before coming over, especially out of the post. And
Speaker 1: so he's come over and brought that extra element immediately.
Speaker 1: One other guy I wanted to shout out was Andrew Nemhart.
Speaker 1: It's kind of stepped into that primary shot creator role
Speaker 1: from the perimeter or from the guard position. I should say,
Speaker 1: since Tyre's Halliburton got hurt. Here's the thing, Like, like
Speaker 1: Andrew Nemhart's good. I broke down a game last year,
Speaker 1: if you guys remember against the Warriors where he, like
Speaker 1: I want to say, he ran something like thirty pick
Speaker 1: and rolls in a game that led to like fifty points.
Speaker 1: Like he just utterly picked apart the Golden State Warriors
Speaker 1: in a game like he can he can play, and
Speaker 1: it's just a team that's loaded up with guards, and
Speaker 1: so he's been squeezed from time to time. But like
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of talk about like whether or
Speaker 1: not Tyrese Haliburton is as valuable as people think, because
Speaker 1: the Pacers have looked good without him from time to time.
Speaker 1: And it's like, how about we just credit the fact
Speaker 1: that they're really deep at guard, and so when they
Speaker 1: suffer an injury at guard, another really good guard waiting
Speaker 1: to step into that slot. And also, like they're seven
Speaker 1: and six without Tyrs Aliberton this year, it's not like
Speaker 1: they're killing people. Also, Pascal Siakam is awesome and has
Speaker 1: gone a long way towards helping them on that front,
Speaker 1: as they've gone three to zero in their last three games.
Speaker 1: Number nine, the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. I was really
Speaker 1: high on the Sixers after their six game winning streak.
Speaker 1: They beat Sacramento, they beat Houston, they beat Denver in
Speaker 1: that impressive game where Joel and Bid kind of shut
Speaker 1: down the Nuggets offense down the stretch, and they beat Orlando,
Speaker 1: but then they went into Indiana and laid an egg
Speaker 1: and then they late scratched every one against Denver. And look,
Speaker 1: I understand that Embiid's Embiid fans kind of feel like
Speaker 1: there's a narrative here and that the narrative isn't necessarily fair,
Speaker 1: But like, guys, and Bead's not doing himself any favors
Speaker 1: on this front. Like last year, Joel Embiid played in
Speaker 1: thirteen straight games before sitting out in Denver, and then
Speaker 1: immediately played in the next five games, So he played
Speaker 1: in eighteen out of nineteen games. In the one he
Speaker 1: sat out was the game in Denver. This year, he
Speaker 1: plays in six straight games, including hunting points in a
Speaker 1: seventy point night against the San Antonio Spurs, and then goes, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm resting my knee. I'm gonna sit out against Denver.
Speaker 1: Like he told Jokic he'd see him there. He said
Speaker 1: so in his postgame presser after they won in Philly.
Speaker 1: He wasn't on the injury report before the game. Shamsrachrani
Speaker 1: reported fifteen minutes before the game he was not on
Speaker 1: the injury report. The Sixers on social media were advertising
Speaker 1: the matchup as Jokis vs. MBID and then he sat out.
Speaker 1: They're almost certainly going to get fined for it. And again,
Speaker 1: like when when you're talking about the narrative, If you're
Speaker 1: gonna gun for seventy points against the Spurs and then
Speaker 1: sit out against Denver, saying we want to make sure
Speaker 1: his knee is ready for the playoffs, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: the side eye from a lot of people. You just
Speaker 1: are It's completely fair criticism. And also, I mean this
Speaker 1: team kind of needed a signature win. They're twenty nine
Speaker 1: to fifteen, but they played a comically easy schedule. Just
Speaker 1: ten of those twenty nine wins were against teams that
Speaker 1: are five hundred are better. As of right now, they've
Speaker 1: played the third easiest schedule in the league per opponent
Speaker 1: win percentage. Those ten wins against five hundred are better
Speaker 1: teams ranks sixteenth in the NBA. They are also just
Speaker 1: one in four on the road against teams in my
Speaker 1: contender list, with their one win being against the young
Speaker 1: and tiny Oklahoma City Thunder. So like they needed this
Speaker 1: kind of like big road win to kind of just
Speaker 1: almost as like a test, like it would have been
Speaker 1: a great test for them, and they punted it and
Speaker 1: it just left a bad taste in my mouth. So
Speaker 1: I have the Sixers down at number nine right now.
Speaker 1: Number eight the Cleveland Cavaliers. They've won nine of their
Speaker 1: last ten games, including two wins over the Bucks and
Speaker 1: a couple of other dominant road wins against the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Hawks and the Orlando Magic. They're number one in defense
Speaker 1: and number one in net rating by a mile. Over
Speaker 1: that ten game stretch, the defense has been super impressive,
Speaker 1: Isaacacoro Max screws are competing at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: Dean Wade has been excellent in off bassage suations and
Speaker 1: especially in switches. Donovan Mitchell has had some of the
Speaker 1: best closeouts I've ever seen from him in his NBA career.
Speaker 1: He looks locked in on the defensive end. And then
Speaker 1: Jared Allen is this super versatile big. Honestly, like they're
Speaker 1: not the most talented team in the world with Evan
Speaker 1: Mobley and Darius Garland out of the lineup, but the
Speaker 1: lineup is much more synergistic now, Like it actually falls
Speaker 1: in line with my kind of like belief system surrounding
Speaker 1: the whole, Like, uh, you know, like normal basketball lineup
Speaker 1: type of construction, because you have athleticism in the backcourt,
Speaker 1: you have a perimeter forge, you have an interior four.
Speaker 1: Like it just it's all lined up a lot better
Speaker 1: now because you have you just have guys kind of
Speaker 1: in all of the needed positions to construct a basketball team,
Speaker 1: especially on the defensive end of the floor. It just
Speaker 1: looked different when you were constantly running out there with
Speaker 1: two small guards, right, And I mean, like the Bucks
Speaker 1: really wanted to win that last game in Milwaukee. They
Speaker 1: really wanted to win that one, and and they just
Speaker 1: beat the Cash just went in there and beat them
Speaker 1: and shut them down on offense. Like four different guys
Speaker 1: got stops on an island against Damian Lillard. They were
Speaker 1: constantly building a wall in front of Giannis and making
Speaker 1: him into a passer. It was a really impressive win.
Speaker 1: The Calves are good. I have Carter Rodriguez from the
Speaker 1: Chase Down Pod coming on the show on Wednesday for
Speaker 1: a deep dive on the Cleveland Cavaliers. So Cavs fans,
Speaker 1: make sure you're around on Wednesday. That should be fun,
Speaker 1: all right. Number seven, the Milwaukee Bucks. They're four and
Speaker 1: two since our last rankings. They beat the Calves once
Speaker 1: and had a dominant win over a reeling Pelicans team.
Speaker 1: But I thought the Calves losses shined a light on
Speaker 1: some of their issues. We've talked a lot about their
Speaker 1: point of attack defense, but I want to focus on
Speaker 1: two other issues that have been popping up. One their
Speaker 1: transition defense. Cleveland exposed their lack of transition defense in
Speaker 1: their last two losses. They scored sixty seven points in
Speaker 1: transition in those two games. Constantly bad floor balance, constantly
Speaker 1: bad principles like not getting matched up, not communicating, not
Speaker 1: sprinting back. Most importantly, they've looked slow in transition. You
Speaker 1: can really see their lack of footspeed beyond Giannis in
Speaker 1: the lineup. It's been a huge problem for them. And
Speaker 1: then secondly, another Dame stinker. In the last loss in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: he couldn't beat anyone off the dribble unless it was
Speaker 1: Sam Merrill. He kept having to settle for these tough,
Speaker 1: contested jump shots. I talk a lot about this like
Speaker 1: push and pull when it comes to on ball scoring.
Speaker 1: Like if you're the defender and I'm the offensive player,
Speaker 1: and you're terrified of my pull up jump shot and
Speaker 1: you're terrified of my ability to beat you off the dribble,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect situation because then you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: either play up and I'm going right by you, or
Speaker 1: you're playing off and I'm knocking down the jump shot right.
Speaker 1: But like, let's say my jumper is not going in
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, even if I'm an outstanding
Speaker 1: driver to the basket, You're gonna start giving space and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to have a hard time like
Speaker 1: finding those angles and you're seeing that kind of go
Speaker 1: both ways for Dame. He's not making these pull up
Speaker 1: jump shots, so guys are giving him a little bit
Speaker 1: more space. He's not as quick as he used to be,
Speaker 1: so is he's starting to make those downhill moves. Guys
Speaker 1: are beating him to spots, and you're seeing it manifest
Speaker 1: in the numbers over the course of this eighteen game stretch.
Speaker 1: This over the course of Dame's last eighteen games, excuse me,
Speaker 1: twenty three point eight points per game on below forty
Speaker 1: percent from the field and thirty percent from three an
Speaker 1: eighteen game stretch, and we're we're almost halfway through that.
Speaker 1: We are over halfway through the season now. And to
Speaker 1: put it simply, the Bucks will not win the title
Speaker 1: unless they get the Dame from last year, and they
Speaker 1: need some other stuff to go right as well. But
Speaker 1: they need Dame to be better than he has been.
Speaker 1: He has not been very good this year. Number six,
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Timberwolves just two and three in their last
Speaker 1: five games, just dropped games to Charlotte and San Antonio. Now,
Speaker 1: some of this, I should say, most of this is
Speaker 1: just the letdown after getting through the tough part of
Speaker 1: their schedule, right like they get through this insane stretch
Speaker 1: where they play like twenty like something crazy, like sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen straight games against really good teams. And they did
Speaker 1: really well in that stretch, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: like you're like, Okay, we're good, we feel accomplished, and
Speaker 1: then you just exhale, right like you exhale. The problem
Speaker 1: is the NBA so damn talented that they'll make you
Speaker 1: pay for that. Charlotte has players Brandon Miller is cooking
Speaker 1: right now, and he lit them up. LaMelo Ball picked
Speaker 1: them apart. He had like thirteen assists in that game.
Speaker 1: Victor women Yama and Devin Vessala are hoopers, Like if
Speaker 1: you don't bring it against the Spurs, they can beat you,
Speaker 1: and so like a lot of this is like effort,
Speaker 1: But the concerning part is their offense. My main concern
Speaker 1: with the Wolves all season has been their ability to
Speaker 1: function offensively in a slow down environment, especially in that
Speaker 1: like kind of playoff type of environment, and the two
Speaker 1: things that we look at to kind of track that
Speaker 1: are like half court offense and clutch offense. That's the
Speaker 1: closest thing in the NBA regular season to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and they've been a mediocre half court offense this year,
Speaker 1: and they've been a mediocre clutch offense this year, and
Speaker 1: especially as of late, they've been really bad in clutch
Speaker 1: situations on offense. They're one in three in clutch situations
Speaker 1: just in this five game stretch. Just the ninety two
Speaker 1: point one offensive rating in those clutch situations for the
Speaker 1: season just to one oh eight point nine. That's not good.
Speaker 1: That's seventy five minutes a slow down end of game
Speaker 1: basketball where they have not been very good offensively. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Mike Conley is an older skill guard and
Speaker 1: he was out for two of those games. They depend
Speaker 1: on him a lot, but at the same time, he's
Speaker 1: an older skill guard. Anthony Edwards is a superstar in
Speaker 1: the making, but he's very very young, and young players
Speaker 1: struggle with decision making. And then Carl Towns is a
Speaker 1: notorious poor decision maker in these types of situations. So
Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter how good their defense is or
Speaker 1: what the the other advantages they have if when they
Speaker 1: get into the slowdown environment, they can't execute as well
Speaker 1: as the other great teams around the league. It's been
Speaker 1: a consistent issue. It has been an issue in this
Speaker 1: stretch the defense is real and it's always gonna give
Speaker 1: them a chance to win games. But they will fet
Speaker 1: they will face much better half court execution teams than them,
Speaker 1: and that could and that could end up being what
Speaker 1: gets them beat Number five. The New York Knicks six
Speaker 1: and one since our last rankings, twelve and two in
Speaker 1: their last four team games, tied to the Clippers for
Speaker 1: the best record in the league over that span, seventh
Speaker 1: in offense, first in defense, and first and rebounding one
Speaker 1: ugly loss of the Orlando Magic in there where they
Speaker 1: kind of lost in a physical game and some ugly
Speaker 1: moments down the stretch of that game, but back to
Speaker 1: back dominant wins over the Eastern and Western Conference defending
Speaker 1: champions in the Miami Heat in the Denver Nuggets, og
Speaker 1: and Andobi and Dante DiVincenzo are dominating at the point
Speaker 1: of attack. Defensively, Jalen Brunson and Julius Randall are bringing
Speaker 1: like a physical imposition on offense. Although Julius Randall dislocated
Speaker 1: his shoulder, Hopefully he's okay. But they're wearing teams down.
Speaker 1: They're a really, really good team. I think I think
Speaker 1: the Knicks are one of those teams where like I
Speaker 1: don't think they can win the conference necessarily, but the
Speaker 1: teams that are above them that have flaws to exploit.
Speaker 1: Like I would not be surprised if New York knocked
Speaker 1: off a Milwaukee, I would not be surprised if New
Speaker 1: York knocked off of Philly. They have the talent to
Speaker 1: do so, and those teams have flaws. That's really just
Speaker 1: when they get to the top top tier of the NBA,
Speaker 1: where I think they would run into some issues, just
Speaker 1: in terms of firepower. Number four, the Oklahoma City Thunder
Speaker 1: mixed results since our last rankings. They had impressive road
Speaker 1: wins at Minnesota and at New Orleans, but they got
Speaker 1: beat by the veteran Laker and Clippers teams, and then
Speaker 1: they got manhandled by Jalen Duran and the Pistons without
Speaker 1: Kid Cunningham last night. What a weird game that was.
Speaker 1: The offense is sputtering their nineteenth in offense over this
Speaker 1: eight game span. Basically, everybody that's not Shay Gilders, Alexander
Speaker 1: or Jalen Williams is struggling, Chet is slumping, Josh Giddey
Speaker 1: is slumping, Loudort is slumping. But in spite of all that,
Speaker 1: they're five and four versus my top five contenders, and
Speaker 1: they're the number one seed in the West, so they're
Speaker 1: holding down the five spot for me, excuse me, the
Speaker 1: four spot for me for right now. Number three the
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics dropping down from number one. Another disappointing loss
Speaker 1: and a major in a major game, they got dominated
Speaker 1: by the Clippers. On the tail, the Clippers run a
Speaker 1: back to back and they get dominated. They have three
Speaker 1: losses in their last ten games. Here's how they break down.
Speaker 1: They are seven and zero against teams that are outside
Speaker 1: of my top five contenders. They are zero to three
Speaker 1: against teams that are in my top five contenders, including
Speaker 1: two of those losses at home. And even worse, what
Speaker 1: has been my main concern for the Celtics team all
Speaker 1: year offensive process. Can they make Can they consistently hunt
Speaker 1: and take and make the right shots against the best
Speaker 1: teams in the league. They had one hundred and two
Speaker 1: points against the Milwaukee Bucks, they had one hundred points
Speaker 1: against Denver. They had ninety six points against the Clippers.
Speaker 1: So they have only three losses in their last ten games,
Speaker 1: all against my top contenders, all of them. The offense sputtered.
Speaker 1: That's concerning. It's very concerning. Jason Tatum last five games,
Speaker 1: eight for twenty six on pull up threes. That's thirty
Speaker 1: one percent. So we had a brief stretch where they
Speaker 1: were going in and it looked great and everything was great,
Speaker 1: and now we're back where we've been the previous three years.
Speaker 1: And again, guys like twenty six of them in five games.
Speaker 1: This is a third of his shot diet. A third
Speaker 1: of Jason Tatum's shots are like pull up threes off
Speaker 1: the dribble that he makes about a third of the time,
Speaker 1: if not less, And so like it just was it
Speaker 1: was really discouraging. And again, like that's the thing with
Speaker 1: Celtics fans. I have them all the time in my comments.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, why didn't you say anything after we
Speaker 1: beat the shit out of Miami or why blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, And like again, I tell you, guys, like
Speaker 1: it's in the schedule. I schedule the games I'm going
Speaker 1: to cover, and I primarily schedule Celtics games when they're
Speaker 1: playing the best teams and they keep losing to the
Speaker 1: best teams, and when they do, it's the same stuff
Speaker 1: that gets them beat the other times they lose to
Speaker 1: the best teams, and so like bizarrely enough, seven and
Speaker 1: three in their last ten games and a super super
Speaker 1: concerning stretch of Boston Celtic basketball. They seem super super
Speaker 1: dependent on chrisops Porzingis as well. There's just again still
Speaker 1: have them as number two in my contenders list because
Speaker 1: everyone else has a bunch of issues too. And like
Speaker 1: I said at the start of this list, today's a
Speaker 1: very negative version of the power rankings. But I thought
Speaker 1: it was a concerning couple of weeks for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 1: Number two Nuggets three and two on their five game
Speaker 1: road trip, big wins over Boston and Indie, tough losses
Speaker 1: to New York and Philly teams with real size and
Speaker 1: physicality can give Denver some issues, especially when Denver's not
Speaker 1: locked in, like Embiid's denial of Jokic really bothered their
Speaker 1: offense when they were down in Philly. New York's athleticism
Speaker 1: and passing lanes caused Jokic to turn the ball over
Speaker 1: uncharacteristically a lot. Like you could tell like the big,
Speaker 1: physical teams can give them some issues. But I still
Speaker 1: think this is the best team in basketball, and I
Speaker 1: think in the mix of all these teams struggling, I
Speaker 1: just trust them the most, So I'm keeping them at
Speaker 1: number two. Number one the Los Angeles Clippers. They're undefeated
Speaker 1: since our last list, thirteen and two in their last
Speaker 1: fifteen games. Number one offense in the league over that spanned,
Speaker 1: Number six defense, doing a ton of damage on the
Speaker 1: offensive glass. Two. Their perimeter athleticism is a factor here, Like,
Speaker 1: they are really athletic on the perimeter, between Terrence Mann
Speaker 1: and Norman Powell and Russell Westbrook and Kawhi, Leonard and George,
Speaker 1: Like they just bring wave after wave of perimeter athleticism
Speaker 1: in a league that has so much more jump shooting,
Speaker 1: there's all these long rebounds, and so they can really
Speaker 1: do a lot of damage on the offensive glass just
Speaker 1: with their perimeter athleticism. And again, like they're a bottom
Speaker 1: ten defensive rebounding team even over this span, So like
Speaker 1: it's important for them to try to kind of like
Speaker 1: make up for some of that on the other end
Speaker 1: of the floor. It's been interesting an incredibly impressive ass
Speaker 1: kicking of the Celtics in Boston. Kawhi and Paul George
Speaker 1: just thoroughly outplayed Jason Tatum and Jylen Brown. They are
Speaker 1: looking flat out scary, and I'm ending the show like
Speaker 1: this today, I am moving my contenders again. I'm taking
Speaker 1: Milwaukee off of that three spot and I'm moving the
Speaker 1: Clippers up to number three. So I'm going Denver Boston
Speaker 1: Clippers than the Bucks. They just have fewer question marks
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and they went from going zero to
Speaker 1: six in their first six games after the hard and
Speaker 1: Trade to being number one in our power rankings. Shout
Speaker 1: out to the LA Clippers. All right, guys, that is
Speaker 1: all I have for today. We'll be back tomorrow with
Speaker 1: a breakdown of some games from tonight's slave. We got
Speaker 1: a bunch of really good games tonight. I look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing you guys. Then. I appreciate the sport. See
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. The volume