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Speaker 2: This is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, Aaron Rodgers going to the New York Jets

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Speaker 2: is official. The draft picks were around what most people speculated.

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Speaker 2: Nobody won the trade. I mean you can argue the

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Speaker 2: Jets won the trade because they get Aaron Rodgers. I

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Speaker 2: think my takeaway is that I've always said that once

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback comes in, I will give him a

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Speaker 2: year and a half year. Two Thanksgiving. You will know

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Speaker 2: what you have now. It used to be you gave

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback two full years. Bill Pollian would say three.

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Speaker 2: But with seven on seven summer camps, the personal quarterback coaching,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you to Thanksgiving your second year in. But

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Speaker 2: it is different with Jordan Love. Jordan Love has been

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Speaker 2: in the building for three years. I will give Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love until Thanksgiving. This year. You'll know. By getting another

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Speaker 2: second round pick, the Packers can pick up a wide

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Speaker 2: receiver in the first round, an edge rusher, and a

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Speaker 2: tight end in the second. It's an incredibly deep edge

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Speaker 2: rusher and tight end draft. So the Packers should be

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Speaker 2: able to get three starters in their first three picks.

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Speaker 2: And that's what they're going to go after in what order.

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Speaker 2: I have no IDEA wide receiver, tight end, and edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: It is not a deep wide receiver class. There is

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Speaker 2: one receiver maybe two in the first round, and the

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Speaker 2: Packers have the thirteenth pick. So my guess is they

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Speaker 2: go for the best receiver out of Ohio State. Then

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Speaker 2: they probably get a tight end in an edge rusher

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Speaker 2: in round two. Those are all going to be high

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Speaker 2: ready to win football games. Okay, we know Minnesota is

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Speaker 2: don't know if Chicago's any good and Detroit, though improved,

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Speaker 2: is Detroit with that gambling scandal. Who knows who's going

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Speaker 2: to be available in September. But this team is ready

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Speaker 2: to win or at least be competent. Jordan Love is

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Speaker 2: inheriting a top ten offensive line, two more than capable

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Speaker 2: emerging star at wide receiver, an offensive coach. They need

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Speaker 2: an edge rusher. They have a Pro Bowl corner, good

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Speaker 2: interior defensive linemen, excellent young safeties, you can't win nine

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Speaker 2: or ten games, and we'll know by Thanksgiving in the

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Speaker 2: weakest the NFC has been in twenty years, then you

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Speaker 2: got the wrong guy. This is one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: the architecture of it. I mean, the Jets were a

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Speaker 2: great example last year where they nailed their first four picks.

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Speaker 2: The Seahawks nailed their first five, and it literally set

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Speaker 2: the future up. I mean, if they get Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: the Jets will be able to play with anybody. Probably

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Speaker 2: have to get a left tackle and another receiver and

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Speaker 2: just need to upgrade at tight end, left tackle, wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Joe Douglas will do that in the draft. I mean, Seattle,

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Speaker 2: You know, now they just need another edge rusher. They

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Speaker 2: other drafts are different. Even a great college baseball player,

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Speaker 2: I think the NFL is the League of hope more

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Speaker 2: takes two to three free agent signings, four home runs

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait. Somebody is going to do a

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Speaker 2: Jets or a Seahawks, and I can't wait to watch it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike Silver, a valuable member of the volume.

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Speaker 2: When breaking news happens, Mike Silver happens, I love that.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a billboard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Colin, I know you remember a year ago, or

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Speaker 3: it's an exciting day and I don't want to gloss

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Speaker 3: over this. For Jets fans, this is awesome. The Jets

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Speaker 3: Hackett's now the coordinators. So people might say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: The Jets win the day today.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, this isn't perfectly analogous, but I've three

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Speaker 2: think their schedule is not the easiest. No, But what's

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Speaker 3: That's a great question because if you look at it

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Speaker 3: And they are the Jets. They do have some dudes.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I look at far his first year there, which

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Speaker 3: in ways that go beyond what most of us see.

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Speaker 3: It just changes the energy and the vibe of the organization.

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Speaker 3: It lends a credibility to the the meetings, the practices internally,

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Speaker 3: for one more year, I wouldn't be as wildly upbeat

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think all relationships can run their course,

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Speaker 2: I hope it's for two years, and I do think

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Speaker 2: as I've said, for a lot of situations. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting with Jordan Love, I don't know what we have.

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Speaker 2: Here's the good news. He's been there three years. The

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Speaker 2: after Bryce Young, he'd be the number two pick in

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: he equipped to do that. I have no idea, but

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Speaker 2: I will say this, it's a good team that needs

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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring on John Middlcoff. You know him,

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Speaker 2: I thought the first thing that jumped out to me

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Speaker 4: A J. Brown SEC guy Jalen Hurts. Well, I think

432
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: we think Oklahoma three years, Alabama SEC guy. So their core,

433
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: they all kind of speak the same language in terms

434
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 4: of that Southern football culture. Obviously they all come from

435
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: elite program, especially the BAM and Georgia guys. It's a

436
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: risky pick. I mean, this guy, I think scared a

437
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: ton of teams as you could see him going to

438
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: nine like that's pretty telling. But I think how he

439
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: feels very good about their infrastructure now with their coaches,

440
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: with their players to kind of operate a lot like

441
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 4: Belichick used to do for years with Tom and some

442
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: of their core guys where they as it went on,

443
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: they started taking some flyers because they felt really good

444
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: about their main guys. You can't act like an idiot

445
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: when when the top guys you look up to and

446
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: are kind of like, you know, you have a lot

447
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: in common with.

448
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: So I think that was I mean, an easy pick

449
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: for them obviously.

450
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, for those of you uninitiated,

451
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: John's a former scout. This is the kind of insight

452
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: you get, which I've never heard anybody talk about that.

453
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: But I think you're right on the money. And the

454
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: other thing that jumped out to me is I've said

455
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: with CJ. Stroud, he is a first round quarterback. I

456
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: don't see a ton of juice. He's accurate. Jared Goff

457
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: is a very accurate comp I think he's a little

458
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: better runner than Jared. But you know, there was a

459
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: lot of speculation. I kind of fell for it that

460
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: they would get Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. What did

461
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: you make of the Texans getting Stroud? What did it

462
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: tell you?

463
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: One thing I was I was stunned in the sense

464
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: that they just got a brand new coach who's young

465
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: and I'm A big believer in Demiko. When I was

466
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: with the Eagles, we traded for him as a player

467
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: because of his character and I've you know, lived in

468
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: the bear for a long time, went to the practices.

469
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan swears by the guy. I think he's going

470
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: to be a stud head coach. I mean, he's just

471
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 4: He's been good at everything he's ever done in his

472
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: entire life. I don't know why it's going to stop little.

473
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I understand why the GM in the

474
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: front office and the owner and needs to get a quarterback.

475
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: You look at there, But if you're Demiko, why rush

476
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 4: into this? You know, I think a lot of people

477
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: in the NFL. He throws a beautiful ball. But when

478
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: you look at Ohio State these last couple of years,

479
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 4: a lot like Tua when he was Alabama. I mean, Colin,

480
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: you're talking about three or four top fifteen wide receivers

481
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 4: on their team, not like a couple guys that play

482
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Right, these are top fifteen picks. Well

483
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: technically in JIGBA twenty, but you know what I mean.

484
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 4: I mean this is and the speed difference in the

485
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: Big ten relative to even two in the sec that

486
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: the advantage Ohio State has. I do think that Georgia

487
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: game though, because the Jared gofkomp was definitely something that

488
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: kind of kicks stay with it.

489
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: That Georgia game.

490
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: He was run around. He looked like kind of a

491
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: different player. Now, I don't know what your take was,

492
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: but the take of like when he responded to the test.

493
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: I'm not a test taker. I'm a football player. I

494
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: did love that quarterbacks get held to a higher standard. Man,

495
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: you know, I mean you're not playing slot receiver dB

496
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: so I mean Peyton Manning, Tom Brady Lamar He those

497
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: guys don't they don't get defensive over stuff like that.

498
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 4: But risky move. I actually thought they're moved trading back

499
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: up to get will Anderson, who I liked a lot.

500
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: But holy moly, they gave up a lot to go

501
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: back from twelve to three. Especially, But I guess when

502
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: you're in the court, when you've drafted the quarterback and

503
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: they got all these picks coming from Deshaun Watson, maybe

504
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: they're they're not thinking about Caleb Williams and Drake May anymore.

505
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: Obviously.

506
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: I mean I thought Seattle, you know, I just think Pete,

507
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people thought Jalen Carter, he

508
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: takes some swings. They did not mess around with that,

509
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: which I understand everyone I know. And teams that had

510
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: no shot of getting this guy, they loved Witherspoon kind

511
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: of a throwback to you know, some of those teams

512
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 4: they had with Russell Wilson, those LOB teams absolute just

513
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: m effort stud I mean, big time tackler, can play inside, outside,

514
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: you can move them around, can tackle.

515
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: Seattle's got two two's, a three and two fours. So

516
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: of their three needs, one was Locket Dk. They needed

517
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: another receiver, they needed they wanted another, and they got one.

518
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean he's good, he's awesome when healthy, yep. And

519
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: then they got a wide receiver and then they get

520
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: you know, Jackson Smith Jigba. So they end up getting

521
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: two of their three needs. I think they needed guard

522
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 2: now and then a later an edge rusher. But I mean,

523
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: if you look at last year's pick on ESPN, they

524
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: put up the last six or seven like great young players.

525
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean they are. They had a run John where

526
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: I think Pete Carroll and Paul Allen passed. They had

527
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: a run where Pete had too much control in the draft,

528
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: and it feels like they've given it back to John

529
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Snyder and the scouting department. They have not missed on

530
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: a pick.

531
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 4: With tackles. They got Kenneth Walker. I mean, they got

532
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: a good young nucleus. I mean they they won nine

533
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: games where I'm guilty. I thought they were going to

534
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 4: be terrible and they were really good. And I think

535
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 4: they're going to be even better. I mean because they

536
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: got so many young pieces that they're building around.

537
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think we both agree Seattle did well,

538
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: so Jamiir gives the running back, so people are to

539
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: bang on Detroit's picks. Now. Gibbs is a very dynamic

540
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: and again Alabama big school. You see them run over

541
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: guys and run past guys in the SEC. So you know,

542
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: my takeaway on Detroit is the last two drafts with

543
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: his front office, John, I've really liked him, and so

544
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: part of me thinks to myself with Swift and Gibbs

545
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: as they're trying to take they love their O line. Okay,

546
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: they solve their corner issue a little bit, right, are

547
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: they basically saying is we want to take the pressure

548
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: off Jared goff Or. I mean I was watching them

549
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: high five in the room, like this was not a

550
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: pick they had trepidation over. These guys were high five

551
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: And what did it say to get a running back

552
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: when they have swift because their O line can control

553
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: I think can control a lot of the defensive fronts

554
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: in that division. Is that what they're saying.

555
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 4: I think in most most drafts, when you see a

556
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: guy that you go, you know, I think it's fair

557
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: to say going into the any draft, a guy like

558
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: him is like an early second, you know, somewhere in

559
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: like thirty two to forty pick. This draft was viewed

560
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: as pretty terrible. Like the difference between pick eight and

561
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: twenty five. You know, you might not be able to

562
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: tell the difference, like Ken Kaid going twenty five to

563
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: the Bills might be no different than the six pick.

564
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: You know.

565
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: So it's just time will tell people were not that

566
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: comp This was not Jamar Chase and the Waddles and

567
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: the Pinasoles and the Michael Parsons. That wasn't this draft.

568
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: So when you go, well, they got to a super

569
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 4: Bowl with Jared Goff when he had a great running game,

570
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: right with Sean McVay in with La and last year

571
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: Jared Goff statistically was excellent. Well, they had another pick

572
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: and they got a linebackers. Their defense, I mean, I

573
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: think Aiden Hutchinson is going to be a really really

574
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: good player. To me, he's got some whiffs of Joey Bosa.

575
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: I mean, he's got a chance to be a twelve

576
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: fifteen sack guy next year immediately. So if their defense

577
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: is just incrementally better, their offense. I mean, the USC

578
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: wide receiver they have as a stud, like you said,

579
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 4: their offensive lines of stud. Their coach, while he's an

580
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: offensive because he's a tight end, is really wired more

581
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: like a defensive tackle. I mean, he wants to be

582
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: a tough, physical guy. I'm with you if you love

583
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: this guy, and I'm going to give them the benefit

584
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: of doubt because I watched them last year and they

585
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: were an expressive operation.

586
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: So I think they know the wiring.

587
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: The other thing is Dan Campbell came from Sean Payton,

588
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: you know, over that five or six year run when

589
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: he got fired from Miami and went there became an

590
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: assistant head coach. They had really good drafts during that

591
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: time when the Saints were really good at the end

592
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: of the two thousand, you know, the teams right the

593
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen nineteen, So I think he knows the wiring

594
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: of the guys. I remember sometimes the Saints, you'd be like, wow,

595
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: they did that, and then it would work out right.

596
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: So I'm with you. It was a little eye opening

597
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: because you see the second running back come off at twelve.

598
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: But I'm going to give them the benefit of the

599
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: doubt because I know their play style and I know

600
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: what they want to do. The other thing is when's

601
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: the last time a running back from Alabama beside Trent

602
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 4: Richardson hasn't worked in the NFL. You watch them all

603
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: over the league. They were all successful players well. And

604
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: Jared Goff's history is when Gurley was he he's been

605
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: a really good quarterback. When Jared gets in trouble is

606
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: third and long. Okay, so is Detroit saying we love

607
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: our oc we just don't want to get in third

608
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 4: and long. You and I know I saw Goff out

609
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: Duel Mahomes when they had Gurley and naked run. Jared

610
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: was getting you to the super Bowl. It's when the

611
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: O line aged and they didn't have a consistent run game.

612
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: Now you leene on Jared Goff and it's not pretty right.

613
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: So I look at Detroit and I think they love

614
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: their OC. They have good young receivers, excellent O line,

615
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: Swift got banged up, and maybe they're just saying, listen,

616
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: we're just gonna do a one two punch and we're

617
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: gonna go. And by the way, in that division, the

618
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: D line for the Vikings, the D line for the Packers,

619
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: the D line for the Bears, are you gonna pick

620
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: them to win the division? You pick Minnesota last year?

621
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: To me, obviously, injuries can happen, but Detroit would be

622
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: my pick as of recording this today to win the North.

623
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 2: And again, I think, is Detroit looking at that division

624
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: and thinking our O line is significantly better in those

625
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: six games against the D lines in our division? Can

626
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: we go five and one in that division?

627
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: For sure?

628
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: And in a weird way because they haven't even made

629
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: the playoffs, right, But if you assume that they're going

630
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: to be in the mix, the three teams that are

631
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: at the top of the conference, the Eagles, the Niners,

632
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: and Cowboys are all physical teams. So you're getting this

633
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: is not a lightweight fight. You're getting in the ring

634
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: to fight heavyweights, So you have to be willing to

635
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: play like that. And Dan Campbell is now building a

636
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: team who they draft their second pick in the first round,

637
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: a linebacker from Iowa. Right, I mean, they have a

638
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: type of guy that they're looking for to build their team.

639
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: And honestly, that should translate to playing the Cowboys the

640
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: Eagles and just give them a chance. If not in

641
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: twenty three, the next couple of years. Obviously, you know

642
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: Jared Goff is going to be the guy we talk

643
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: about the most, but he's proven if you can do

644
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: it around him and their roster. I liked the lot

645
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 4: with the Lions have going on a lot, so I

646
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: mean the Will Levice situation. I talk to people that

647
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: I really trust. Their big concern with him was, listen,

648
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: the kid is smart. We know his mom went to

649
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: an I League school Yale. We know he's a four

650
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: point student. Why is his judgment so bad? And what

651
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: I heard was Jay Cutler is that Jay Cutler was

652
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: arrogant and obstinate, and if Jay had a rope, Jay

653
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: had an arm, and if Jay wanted to sling it,

654
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: he didn't give a shit what the coach said. And Jay,

655
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 4: I'll argue it forever. Jay had one of the best

656
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 4: arms in the league. When he played, he had an

657
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: absolute host, but Jay was stubborn, rigid, difficult, and people

658
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: worried Will Levi us with the selfies, the gun show,

659
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: look at me the combine. He wore a muscle shirt.

660
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: I had a head coach and a GM told me

661
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 4: they hated that. I mean, I listen, Brady Quinn works

662
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: at Fox, and I like Brady, but that was one

663
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: of the knocks I heard is that an he can't

664
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: be jacked as a quarterback. You have to be flu

665
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: and you don't see biceps on Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.

666
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: Your take on Will levis dropping.

667
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

668
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: I mean I think that he was a fascinating player

669
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: coming into the season, and then the season was a disaster,

670
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: and I had people that really like him. They aren't

671
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: necessarily quote unquote decision makers, but are you know, high

672
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: in their organization said if coming out his junior season

673
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: or whatever two years ago, when Liam Cohen, right, the

674
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: Rams guy, was his offensive coordinator, he would have been

675
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: a lock top five pick. Then he goes to Rich Skangarello,

676
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: who a lot of people are down on disastrous season,

677
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: and then, like you said, kind of has a bad offseason,

678
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: the lifting things that you're not playing offensive tackle or lineback,

679
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: No one cares. It's about pliability. It's about fluidity, and

680
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: that's a big knock on his game is fluidity. Touch.

681
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: And we've seen so many guys Brady Quinn Kaepernick got

682
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: really big. Whether you can throw at one hundred and

683
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 4: twenty miles an hour, If you can't throw a strike,

684
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 4: who cares, You're not going to make the big leagues, right.

685
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: Touch is a big issue with him. I also think that,

686
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: like Anthony Richardson, who this raw guy was viewed as

687
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: very mouldable. One thing I have heard like when he

688
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: went and met with people, they were just like, you

689
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 4: know what this guy means?

690
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Well, like I would love to be around this guy.

691
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 4: There was a lot of positive vibes around him.

692
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Very grateful. Like Anthony Richardson wrote a Penda letter, he

693
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: was like humble and grateful. And it's like, John, you

694
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: look at that and you think, Okay, this kid wants

695
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: to learn.

696
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and whether it works out, only time will tell,

697
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 4: and more than the history would show us it probably won't.

698
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 4: But I know that a lot of people were down

699
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: on him, and during the process came away the opposite,

700
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: like I'm rooting for this guy. I think this guy

701
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: not crazy to go in the top five. Is the

702
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: ceiling is sky high, and I think will Levis started

703
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: getting more negative and negative. Not like you said anything malicious, right,

704
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: but the buff stuff to the lifting the pictures on

705
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: Instagram within the last month, Like what are we doing?

706
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: You know, it's just I mean, he didn't im he tumbled.

707
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 4: I mean, this was a guy that I think after

708
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: last season twenty one, when Kentucky had a really good year,

709
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: I don't see how he wouldn't have been a top

710
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: five pick, not with those measurables, right, But then yeah,

711
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I clearly the league is very I mean,

712
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: this is a quarterback star of the leak. For no

713
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: one to touch him, it's crazy.

714
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Speaker 5: Colin, how you doing?

715
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 4: Man?

716
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 5: What a game? Harrison Barnes with the shot of his life.

717
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: He had a chance to erase all the pain and

718
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 5: suffering from the twenty sixteen finals that he left it long.

719
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: Well, they needed that Draymond block, They needed the twenty

720
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: two from Jordan Poole. I feel like I'm watching the

721
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: younger Warriors take on the old Warriors. They Stephen Dearin

722
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: get baskets, get great looks when they want, you have enforcers.

723
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: You know what, I watched this tonight in the second half,

724
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, outside of Denver, is this the Western

725
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Conference Final? Now that the Warriors are full strength, are

726
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: we watching essentially the Western Conference Final? In round one?

727
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: I remember I had a similar thought after the playing games,

728
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: and everyone's like, oh man, the Wolves and the Lakers,

729
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 5: they're both terrible. What an ugly basketball game. And I

730
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 5: have like a completely different feeling about this. I think

731
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 5: all of these teams are awesome. I think the Kings

732
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 5: are awesome. I think the Warriors are awesome. I think

733
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: the Lakers are awesome. I think the Suns are awesome.

734
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: The Nuggets have been arguably the most impressive team in

735
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 5: the first round here in the Western Conference, And like, again,

736
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: like what you're seeing here is that it doesn't it's

737
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: a two to seven matchup, and it's a first round matchup.

738
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: But these are two teams from an overall talent standpoint

739
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: that are typically the types of teams that you'd see

740
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 5: in later playoff rounds. It's they're incredibly evenly matched. I

741
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: want to I want to give a special shout out

742
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: to Deer and Fox because there's this thing that happens.

743
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 5: And I mean we've even seen the reverse side of

744
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 5: this with Darius Garland on the Calves this year, as

745
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 5: he's really really struggled to just be constantly effective throughout

746
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: the series. Every time we see a young player kind

747
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 5: of rise up the echelons of the NBA, there's always

748
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: this question like is his game gonna work when they

749
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: get to the playoffs, and some guys struggle to get separations,

750
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: some guys struggle in the physicality, Like Trey Young had

751
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 5: a really good game in Game three against Boston. That's

752
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: the outlier. He's had like six straight playoff stinkers before that.

753
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. Darren Fox, his game translates

754
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: so well to this level. And I actually think you'll

755
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 5: find this interesting, Colin, because you've been super critical of

756
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 5: this type of player, right, this ultra athletic point guard

757
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: that is this unbelievable downhill force that plays with passion

758
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 5: and energy. That player has failed time and time and

759
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 5: time again in NBA history. And the thing that separates,

760
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: in my opinion, Darren Fox from the others is he

761
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 5: legitimately has outrageously good shooting touch from everywhere on the floor,

762
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: and so whoever's guarding him like to give a certain

763
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 5: amount of space, just just an attempt to contain the

764
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: drives and so and when he and he's deadly on

765
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 5: those shots.

766
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: Well.

767
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: And also Westbrook and Wall especially, they didn't play with

768
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: a ton of self awareness in their prime. They were

769
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: going a thousand miles an hour. Dearen pays with plays

770
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: with really good pacing. He knows when to slow it up.

771
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you look like you're watching a twelve year

772
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: veteran like he knows when to speed it up. Steph

773
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: does this? You know when? When do you know he'll

774
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: He'll go right through traffic. He's trying to speed the

775
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 2: tempo up, and it's not really to get a shot.

776
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: It's just kind of to see if he can find

777
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: a little crevice and get to the basket. If he can't,

778
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: then he pulls it up and waits for the bigs

779
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: to come down. Dearan's got a real understanding of pace

780
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: and tempo. He's not playing with his head down everything,

781
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: you know. It's like Patrick Mahomes. He sees the field,

782
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: he sees the court, he sees everybody. Darren Fox is

783
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 2: really smart. And he plays like a really smart basketball player.

784
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: Steph Curry's really smart. Some of this is just guys

785
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Deer and also not that he's not vertical, but he's

786
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: kind of uh he's I would I would, you know,

787
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: if I was a scout, I'd say smooth, smart, beautiful

788
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: offensive game. It's gorgeous. I mean, mid range outside, everything

789
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: is pretty. So I don't really put him in that

790
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: I you know, and I feel like he's he's a

791
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: little bit like Steph. Probably I trust Deer and Moore

792
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: in a mid range Steph on a three, but I

793
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: think their games are so much about manipulating pace and tempo.

794
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: John Wall never did. John was just get me the

795
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: ball and I'm gonna race everybody down the floor. And

796
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: the wings are like, bro, hold up, I can't keep

797
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: up with you. And Westbrook has a little bit of that.

798
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: It's a one hundred mile an hour fastball. It's the

799
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: quarterback that has a fastball.

800
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: You know.

801
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: He throws it on the deep post, he throws it

802
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: on the screen. It's it's a one tempo thrower. And

803
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: so I dearon Is, I think he's an all timer.

804
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: I think next year he'll be I think, right now

805
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: he feels like a top ten player, maybe ten, But

806
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: I think if they get past the Warriors, he's going

807
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: to be a top ten player, because I feel like

808
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: he's just twelve ish. And then you're watching them in

809
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: this series, you're like, I mean, if I told you

810
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: today John Morant or him, I'd take dearon Fox.

811
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: He's been great in every game. This is an out

812
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 5: every gaming defense in a high stakes playoff series where

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 5: he came in as the underdog, and he's been great

814
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 5: in every game like he I mean, look like people

815
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: always get a little freaked out when we start to

816
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: talk about lists because you feel bad about bumping guys.

817
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: But I mean, here's the deal. Like he's he is

818
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 5: performing at this level against this type of defense, at

819
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 5: a higher level than most of the players around the league.

820
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 5: I think that's completely reasonable. I think, you know, it's funny.

821
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: Over the course of the series, I've been talking a

822
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 5: lot about how the Kings have no answer for Steph Curry,

823
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 5: and that's a big part of why I have it.

824
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 5: I've been yet to relinquish my stance at the will

825
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: win this series, and I still feel that way I

826
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: picked them in six. I'm gonna stick with that for

827
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: right now. But like the reality is is like the

828
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 5: Kings should feel really good about their chances because the

829
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 5: same thing is in reverse like they I did think

830
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 5: it was interesting that we didn't see as much Gary

831
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: Payton today. They spent a lot of time with Draymond

832
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 5: Green on Deer and Fox today, which is a super

833
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 5: interesting adjustment. Yes, oh yeah, so just what a again?

834
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: What a what an amazing luxury as a coach to

835
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 5: be able to do that, And they did a similar

836
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 5: thing last year in the finals if you remember when

837
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: they moved Draymond Green out onto Jlen Brown because he can.

838
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 5: Just the thing with Draymond is he has these obnoxiously

839
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 5: long alarms. First of all, his defensive performance down the

840
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: stretch of this game was so ridiculous, And there was

841
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 5: a lot of talk over the last couple of days, Oh,

842
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 5: the Warriors better without Draymond, which everyone just gets dumber

843
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: whenever that happens. They were eleven points better per one

844
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: hundred possessions with him than without him in last year's postseason.

845
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 5: They were fourteen points better with him than without him

846
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 5: in this regular season. Like that, that argument is dead

847
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: on arrival. I can't believe it ever even gets brought up.

848
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 5: He blew up some plays around the rim. You're thinking

849
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 5: of the block, Oh my god, Bonus, you get another play.

850
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: So Bonus is coming down the floor in a short role.

851
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 5: It's a two on one. Harrison Barnes is standing wide

852
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 5: open in the dunker spot ready to go up and

853
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 5: dunk it, and Sa Bonus goes to pass it to

854
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: Harrison Barnes and Draymond just pokes it out of Sabonis's hands.

855
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: He blew up a two on one that's a basket

856
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 5: ninety five percent of the time in the NBA like

857
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: he was. He was unbelievable defensively in this game. But

858
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: even with him, he has to give a little bit

859
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 5: of ground to de Aaron Fox to try to contain

860
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: this drive in on that final shot, the one that

861
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 5: d'eren made that brought it back to one, like you

862
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 5: got a great contest on it. But that's what great

863
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 5: players do, and Darreon Fox has done that this entire series.

864
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: He can adjust his release based on where he is

865
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 5: on the floor and he can knock these shots down well.

866
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: And also Dramon's got really good hands. Klay Thompson's are Okay, Wiggins.

867
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: I think I've really noticed it with Wiggins. He doesn't

868
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: quite have his wind yet and his hands. Sometimes when

869
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: you don't have your wind, you can lose your legs

870
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: where you get sloppy. Wiggins today had four or five

871
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: that he just couldn't secure. For a guy that's not

872
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: a great shooter, Draymond's got strong hands and good hands.

873
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: Like he touches it, he gets it his timing. There's

874
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: certain players in the league that and because you know

875
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: I employed Draymond one of his many employers, by the way,

876
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: talented guy, you know people are going to, you know, say, Colin,

877
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: you have a bias. First of all, I've said this

878
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: a thousand times in my career. Every great team of

879
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: my life has them for the heat, Rodman for the Bulls,

880
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: Derek Rick Fox for the Lakers, Lambert for the Pistons,

881
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, all great dynasties, Bruce Bowen for the Spurs.

882
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: Have a feisty, annoying, tough guy and his job. He's

883
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: in the league because he's smart enough to know. I mean,

884
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: Bruce Bowen scored, he could score twenty a game in

885
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: the league. He's like not I knew on this team.

886
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: My way in the league to rings was to play

887
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: the way I had to play, do the stuff that

888
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: nobody else wanted to do. If you don't get Draymond Green,

889
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: like if you don't understand, have you ever noticed out

890
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: around outside the arc they bring him up. They want

891
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: him to have the ball in his hands, him to

892
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: set the screen, him to make the pass. Like that

893
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: organization puts him in the crosshairs. You make a mistake

894
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: out there, it's a layuper a dunk the other way, like,

895
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: this organization has so much trust for Draymon. With the

896
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: basketball in his hands, we think of him defensively, but

897
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: as you watch him Jason, he's such a catalyst, his passing,

898
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: his screening, his hands. If you don't people that don't

899
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: get him, you don't get the game. Like anybody know.

900
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that Darren Fox and stuff are great. That

901
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: doesn't take you know you're watching Jalen Brunson, He's obviously

902
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: it's such a unique fun player. Guys like Draymon like

903
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: they just don't. Sometimes I watch Draymond and I think

904
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: he should open a clinic on how to make the

905
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: NBA as a star in average eight, a game like

906
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: he does so many things that you don't think they

907
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: like screening, passing, He does so many little things well

908
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: that you don't necessarily like, you don't get points in

909
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 2: a box score for screening or those little he'll screen

910
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: those little touch passes that don't get the assist, but

911
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: they're the pass before the assist, the incubator of it. Like,

912
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: he doesn't get a lot of credit for that, but

913
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: he was so big late today to your point.

914
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny because a lot of people

915
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: have been comparing him in Dylan Brooks, which drives me crazy.

916
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: They'll be like, oh, they both make the Oh I've

917
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 5: never seen Draymond Green shove a cameraman just to be

918
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 5: a jerk. Okay, Like there's there's a different there's a

919
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 5: difference between like like just being a jerk and being

920
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 5: a guy who's kind of a physical instigator. There's no

921
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 5: doubt that Draymond's a physical instigator and Dylan Boroks is

922
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 5: that a and Moore And the other thing too, is

923
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 5: like Dylan Brooks is a bad is a limited offensive

924
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 5: player from a skill standpoint that doesn't get it. And

925
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 5: we'll take eleven shots in a quarter and in a

926
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 5: road playoff game in Los Angeles, and you're like, dude,

927
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 5: what the hell are you doing? Like, Raymond has his

928
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 5: offensive limitations, but he understands his role. And I love

929
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: how you pointed out all those whole things because it's

930
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 5: you're right. They love to have the ball in his hands.

931
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 5: They've been running a ton of Steph high pick and

932
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: roll as this series has progressed, Like there was a

933
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: play at the end of this game where Andrew Wiggins

934
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 5: made a floater. Steph runs the high pick and roll,

935
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: they trap him, he makes the drop off pass to Draymond.

936
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: He's rolling down the basket. Looney and Wiggins kind of

937
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 5: mess up. They both cut, and you never want to

938
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: both cut because now you're getting in each other's way.

939
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 5: It's better for one guy to cut, one guy to

940
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 5: stay at the three point line. And Draymond like hangs

941
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: in the air and just waits barely for Wiggins to

942
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 5: kind of break open and hits him in stride, and

943
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 5: Wiggins makes the floater, and I'm like, man, that was

944
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 5: kind of an impressive play in traffic in the short role.

945
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 5: They like having the ball in his hands. He can

946
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 5: disrupt guys below the rim. Defensively, he can disrupt guys

947
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: above the rim. Defensively. Tap out rebounds is a big one.

948
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: There'll be like a ball in the air and he

949
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: knows he can't go get it, but he'll just run

950
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 5: up and just tap at it and just keep it alive.

951
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: So I kind of feel like Sacramento almost ended the Dynasty,

952
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna look at that film on

953
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: the way home and they're gonna think, we just gave

954
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: one away. We just gave a game away. They outplayed

955
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: Golden State early, too many turnovers. They're a tough out man.

956
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: They are the Baby Warriors. They are a tough out

957
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: and they're really smart. As I said at the start

958
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: of this, I just feel like they need another shooter

959
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: and they'll probably get that in the draft or you know,

960
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: somewhere in free agency.

961
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 5: I actually think if they upgrade the Sabonus position at

962
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 5: any point, they could be super dangerous because like the

963
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 5: unsung heroes of this series have been well, I say unsung,

964
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 5: the real heroes of this series have been Malik, Bunk

965
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 5: and Deer and Fox and the simple fact that nobody

966
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: can played well. Malik's been good in this whole series.

967
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: And it's funny because the Lakers couldn't afford to keep him.

968
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 5: But that's the only reason he's not a Laker right now.

969
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 5: He was one of the rare bright spots last year,

970
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 5: just an excellent shot creator that can beat people off

971
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 5: the dribble and knock down threes. He just played so

972
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: well that the Lakers were financially incapable of retaining him.

973
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. I actually think the Warrior are

974
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 5: the Kings deserve to be slight favorites right now. They've

975
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 5: played well enough, and they have two games at home.

976
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 5: It's pretty simple that said. These games are going to

977
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 5: reach a fever pitch of intensity and drama and stakes,

978
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 5: and so I still lean I still lean Warriors just

979
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 5: because they've There's look, if it's Game five and it's

980
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: one hundred to one hundred with three minutes left, there's

981
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 5: no doubt that the Warriors will be more comfortable in

982
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: that situation, simply because they right in those situations before.

983
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: The same goes for a game seven. Again, the Kings

984
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 5: should I bet you they were positive in the locker room.

985
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 5: I bet you they feel good in their film session.

986
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 5: They should feel confident. But I think these games are

987
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: going to get even more sweaty palms, even more high drama,

988
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: and I just trust the.

989
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: Warriors a little bit more.

990
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 5: What was your take on that Lakers blowout of the

991
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 5: Grizzlies yesterday. Do you think it's Do you think the

992
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: real matchup is more like the first quarter or more

993
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 5: like the last three quarters?

994
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think the Lakers. I think we both chose

995
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: the Lakers. I think they're better. I always felt there

996
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: was two things that were true about Memphis. They were

997
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: they're deep, and they're inexperienced. And I'm not saying depth

998
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: and experience are everything, but it's they feel like they

999
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: need another score. To me, you know, jaw was sensational,

1000
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: but I just feel like they need another dependable score.

1001
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you really don't want somebody scoring forty five

1002
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: points in a playoff game. You really don't. I mean

1003
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: that's just I mean, everybody's in awe of Jamran. It's like,

1004
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, you can go back to the Kobe stats,

1005
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: like the Lakers were awful when he scored over thirty

1006
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: five points, right, and so you know, Jos starts playing well,

1007
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: he plays downhill and it's fun, it's magical. But I

1008
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 2: just I never I mean, listen, they were a two seed,

1009
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: the Lakers were seven, and I feel it was you know,

1010
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: I sit on the air, I said, if I say

1011
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: it on the air, I believe it. I'm like, I

1012
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: think the Lakers are gonna win the series. They were

1013
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: a forty three win team, right, one's the left to

1014
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: a forty three wins seven seed. You take them over

1015
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 2: a two seed confident, and Memphis is one of the Yeah,

1016
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: and Memphis is one of the best home teams in

1017
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: the league. So I just don't. I don't feel and

1018
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: we're seeing it with Cleveland, by the way, you know,

1019
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: you really young have some depth, but Garland and Mitchell.

1020
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the Knicks aren't even getting a good series

1021
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: from Julius Randall. He's not playing well. And so I

1022
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: just don't feel like I think Sacramento regardless of I

1023
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: think Sacramento is really close to being a championship team,

1024
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: like a player away.

1025
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

1026
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: With Memphis, I don't always love. I feel they're at

1027
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: a little less mature than Sacramento, a little chippier, a

1028
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: little less self awareness. Their stars had some problems. The

1029
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: King Star is like Steph mature. So it's not that

1030
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: I don't buying a Memphis, but I really never bought

1031
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: into them as a championship team. I really don't. In fact,

1032
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: if you told me the two really young teams in

1033
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: the NBA, I like I would say, it's Sacramento in Cleveland.

1034
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: Cleveland's been disappointing, like these playoffs, basically, Jason, nothing surprised

1035
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: us except Cleveland. I mean, that's the only series where

1036
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 2: if you'd have told anybody, yeah, Julius Randall, good game one,

1037
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything and they lead three to one, that

1038
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: would be a surprise. I think almost everything we're seeing,

1039
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: including the Lakers Grizzlies, we all kind of expected. We

1040
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: trusted Lebron in ad over the last three weeks. They

1041
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: just won a lot of close games, and they won

1042
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: a lot of games against for the same reason they're

1043
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: winning this one.

1044
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 5: I'm glad you said that about Memphis because I actually agree.

1045
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 5: I don't think they're close either. A couple things, the

1046
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 5: only position I think that they have really the only

1047
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 5: spots that I feel really good about, like really good

1048
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: about our Jared Jackson in jaw Desmond Baine has been

1049
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: bad in almost every playoff game that he's played, especially

1050
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 5: over the last couple of years. He struggles mightily to

1051
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 5: create his own shot off the dribble, and guys are

1052
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: good at chasing him over those screens to lessen the

1053
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 5: quality of the shots, and he can't make it. Like

1054
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 5: Austin Reeves has soundly outplayed him in this series, you

1055
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: know what I mean. The Grizzlies have severe limitations in

1056
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 5: shot creation and off ball offensive skill. I was talking

1057
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 5: with a buddy yesterday about this, Like what scares me

1058
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: for the Lakers is they can get lazy. And you

1059
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 5: saw that, Like I tweeted right after the first quarter yesterday,

1060
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, just get ready for them to do the

1061
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 5: bare minimum to try to win this game.

1062
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, like the whole game.

1063
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 5: The whole game, it was like, oh, they got back

1064
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 5: to eleven, I guess we should start trying again. I

1065
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: get it up to sixteen, seventeen, and then they'd have

1066
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 5: three bad possessions in a row and to be a

1067
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: ten and we're like, all right, call time out. All right,

1068
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Speaker 5: let's go get control of this game again. Like I

1069
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 5: think the Lakers are so much better than the Grizzlies.

1070
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Speaker 5: I think that people are. But to your point about

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Speaker 5: the arrogance, the way Jaw was acting in that fourth quarter, like, Oh,

1072
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Speaker 5: I've got these guys like I'm like, they're not even

1073
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Speaker 5: playing anymore. They're jogging back in transition. They're barely guarding you.

1074
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Speaker 5: In the first quarter, you couldn't even get a clean look.

1075
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Speaker 5: He shot two for ten on two point shots before

1076
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Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, like they they have figured out the

1077
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 5: job pick and roll because Jared Vanderbilt and Anthony Davis

1078
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 5: have taken away his floater and they've shut off the

1079
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Speaker 5: rig on him. They've they've they've kind of figured that out. Memphis,

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Speaker 5: to me, so has so far to go. But with

1081
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Speaker 5: the Lakers in their lapses in execution and effort, what

1082
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 5: freaks me out for them? There is Sacramento in Golden

1083
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: State because Memphis is a young athletic team that loves

1084
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 5: to play fast, but they're unskilled, like remarkably unskilled compared

1085
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 5: to other NBA teams. Yep, Sacramento and Golden State love

1086
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 5: to play fast and they are super skilled like at

1087
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 5: every position. So like they will those teams if they

1088
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Speaker 5: have those same brief lapses in judgment and effort in execute,

1089
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 5: the Lakers will get run off the floor by the

1090
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Speaker 5: Warriors and Kings, so like it's good, it's weird. I

1091
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Speaker 5: feel so confident that the Lakers are going to beat

1092
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Speaker 5: the Grizzlies, but I am so hesitant to pick them

1093
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Speaker 5: as a team that can make a real run because

1094
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 5: they just had to. It is part of their identity.

1095
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Speaker 5: As soon as they start to feel even remotely comfortable,

1096
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Speaker 5: Lebron and Anthony Davis go, how can I start conserving energy?

1097
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Speaker 5: And it's going to be something that gets them beat?

1098
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Speaker 5: I think, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I also think that the question we asked

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Speaker 2: about Memphis all year because John is not a great shooter.

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Speaker 2: He's a great athlete. He's got the floater, he finishes

1102
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Speaker 2: at the rim. If you take the rim away, you

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Speaker 2: take a chunk of his field goal. I mean, it's

1104
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Speaker 2: it's the Westbrook. He's a better shooter than Westbrook. But

1105
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Speaker 2: if you took the rim away from Russell Westbrook, he

1106
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: can have really bad nights and it gets into his

1107
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: head really fast. Even great shooters. I mean, Lebron for

1108
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Speaker 2: a big chunk of his career, like didn't like bigs

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Speaker 2: around the basket because if he lost confidence in his three,

1110
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Speaker 2: he could always beat guys off the dribble score and

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Speaker 2: get back into it. Lebrono was like, liked his bosh

1112
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Speaker 2: and his Kevin loves you. Stay clear. I didn't get

1113
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Speaker 2: this point in his career. He shoots threes, makes the misses,

1114
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Speaker 2: nothing's in his head. He's kind of graduated last couple

1115
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Speaker 2: of years. But Jaw's not a great natural shooter. So

1116
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Speaker 2: if he's not hitting the three and the rims closed off,

1117
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Speaker 2: you're not beating people on floaters and mid range jumpers.

1118
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Speaker 2: And so I think when I look at this team

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Speaker 2: all year, my takeaway was, well, if you shut Jaw

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Speaker 2: down a little bit and make him shoot forty one percent,

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