WEBVTT - President Trump Suggests Lawmakers Should Be Executed For “Seditious Behavior” 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:05.440 Hey, folks, it is Friday, November twenty first, and we 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.360 have several members of Congress who have had to have 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.680 their security stepped up. Even their families are being checked on, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.600 all because of a threat that's come their way. The 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.479 threat came from President Trump, and with that, Welcome to 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.400 this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I took some 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.639 liberties in the introduction before the most part. What I 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.880 said is exactly what people are saying has taking place. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.800 The President of the United States called for the death 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:34.960 of certain members of Congress. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.839 Yes, there's no other way to say it. He suggested 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:45.920 that certain members of Congress be tried and potentially executed. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.599 Even there was a suggestion a retweeting of being hanged 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:56.000 for sedition because of a video that six lawmakers put 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.000 out on social media. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.320 Yeah. The President's also he didn't like to He didn't 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.080 like so he reacts, which he often does. Want to 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.520 say here off the top, I don't want to wait 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.400 until we get to the bottom of this of this episode, 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.200 but when you're talking about something in this series. This 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.920 went on for the most part of the day yesterday. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.600 There's back and forth in DC. The President's spokesperson did 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.760 come out later was asked directly, and she said no, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.119 that was the answer. She didn't go farther and explain 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.920 when she was asked, does the president want any members 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.800 of Congress? Actually killed no, and then she went on 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.920 to something else. So what's happened now is that he 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.720 amplified this thing with his messages. How many people are 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.800 going to pay attention? That wasn't a forceful response, it 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:38.240 was just no. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.240 There was no explanation, there was no impact. She turned 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.600 the tables, as she often does. We're talking about Carolyn Levitt, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.000 the White House Press secretary, back towards the media that 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.640 you weren't getting what actually the story is, and it's 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.520 about this video. It's not about what the president said. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.800 But what the president said was extraordinary and deeply concerning, 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.440 and in this era of the President and Republicans saying 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.600 that words matter, that words incite violence, and they point 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.399 to Charlie Kirk's asassination as example or exhibit a, what 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.800 in the hell is the president doing? 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.799 So we'll tell you exactly what he said. We've said 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.639 this before. He was kind of on one last night, 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.280 or at least when he was starting to put these together. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.080 If you ever go to his truth Social page. You 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:23.919 can tell kind of what was going on with him 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.200 for the day. Some of them are just sometimes it's 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.520 so many in a row that it's hard to keep 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.320 up with, and it's hard to understand how he has 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.440 this much time to post all of these things. But 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.800 this was kind of a you tried to piece together, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.080 kind of an unhinged rapid fire messages that, frankly, some 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.400 of them wrote, He's used to explaining a lot in 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.919 his messages. It seemed like some of these he was 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.080 just firing off right quick. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.880 Yes, and we can start with some of what he 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.079 wrote on True Social. The president wrote, it's called seditious 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.320 behavior at the highest level. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:58.640 That was in all caps. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.639 Each one of these traders to our country should be 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.840 arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.359 to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:10.920 must be set. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.600 Their words he's talking about there. Their words cannot be 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.680 allowed to stand. He didn't like that these members of Congress, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.440 all Democrats. I think all of them had military backgrounds. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.600 They all had military service, but they came. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.160 Out and put this video together, put out on social media, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:30.160 essentially bringing attention to something and also, I would say 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.640 urging members of the military and the intelligence community, you 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:38.440 have the right, you do not have to follow unlawful orders. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.480 That's the message they were getting out, and that's what 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:41.240 upset the president. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.840 Correct, And so the President went on to say this 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.400 is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words again, 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:54.400 cannot be allowed to stand. Seditious behavior from traders three 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:59.480 exclamation points, lock them up, question mark, question mark, question 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:00.360 mark got me. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.080 He seemed like he was fishing for it, like, give 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.320 me your response, what do you think? 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:03.760 Yeah? 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.160 Does anyone else agree that this should happen? And then 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:11.520 in a third post, this is among the scariest seditious 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.679 behavior punishable by death, and he has death in all 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:21.320 caps with an exclamation point. And then he reposted some 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.560 posts that other truth social users were putting out there 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:29.400 after his initial string of posts, including one that said 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.720 hang them George Washington, would. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.560 We keep talking about temperature going up and down? I 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.760 don't know how you defend I don't know how you 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.000 defend this and say it's not contributing to what is 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.280 an awful time of political discourse in this country that 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.359 has led to death, that has led to violence. He 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.000 didn't just say investigate them. He could have said that 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.240 we need to look into this language, or this is 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:02.120 flat out rove. This is terrifying because someone sees this 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.880 as marching orders. Someone sees this as well, he's given 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.440 me permission. Will someone also see this and go, well, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.839 my guys in the White House I do this for him, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.480 like he said, maybe he'll pardon me, Like what is 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.080 the message here? Is clear? Like it's almost it feels 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.359 like marching orders. And look they came back and they said, no, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.200 he doesn't actually want them, but man words, you cannot 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:29.840 take this back and these get amplified. Nobody's amplifying her answer, no, 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:31.440 because that's all she said. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.880 She said, so yes, she's just said Carolyn love it. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.520 And I actually wanted to read what she went on 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.760 to say afterwards, because she did not bring the temperature 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.279 down period with her no. And then she went on 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.520 to say, many in this room want to talk about 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.520 the president's response, but not what brought the president to 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.080 responding in this way. You have sitting members of the 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.880 United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a bit 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.599 you a message to members of the United States military, 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.279 to active duty service members, to members of national security apparatus, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.120 encouraging them to defy the president's lawful orders. That is 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.440 not true. If you read the video, they specifically say 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.280 to defy illegal orders. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.000 Yes, that's all they're talking about, obviously, clearly, plainly, it's 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.440 exactly what they're talking about here. And it's difficult to 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:31.480 she justified him calling for the death possibly of members 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.240 of Congress. It's justified because what you should be talking 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.000 about is that video that caused him to react this way. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.719 If it's really difficult in you, look, we do not 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.880 do politics here. We do not go back and forth 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:49.920 with political with issues and take a stance. We don't 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.240 do that. But at some point we all have to 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.359 look at the same thing and agree that the President 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.919 of the United States should not be calling for the 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.040 death of members of Congress. If you want to say, well, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.760 he didn't really mean it, you can if you want to, fine, 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:09.000 But you still cannot argue that this is not helpful 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:10.040 and where. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.640 We are and we are not ad living or inferring 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.200 from or assuming what he meant. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.680 By no, we are reading exactly what he said. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.920 And I do appreciate, Babe, that you pointed out this 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.640 is not about politics. This is not about Republicans and 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.880 Democrats and where we stand politically. This is about what's 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:31.600 right and what's wrong, and how can anyone defend that language. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.760 And I will say this again. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.560 Having Carolyn Levitt put out in that press briefing room 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:43.000 misinformation that these lawmakers were calling for members of the 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.600 US military to defy the president's lawful orders is just 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:47.960 a boldfaced lie. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.920 Their argument, I guess she would say, is that they 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.880 believe every order the president has given is lawful. I 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.880 think that is what they would say. Now, plenty of 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.520 judges at this point courts have said no, that is 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.400 not lawful. Deployment of National Guard in this city on 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.200 that street up. Yes, he's lost some of these, but 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.360 in his mind it's lawful. I'm just saying in a 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.560 technical case, she's probably believed everywhere. Came out of her mouth. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.040 That's true. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.760 I believe she believed what she was saying, she went 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.240 on to say. Levitt went on to say that the 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:20.360 video perhaps is punishable by law, so she agreed with 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.640 the President on that, and then she added, I'm not 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.680 a lawyer. I'll leave that to the Department of Justice 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.880 and the Department of War to decide. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:35.480 Okay, I'm just discouraged. I'm really really well. Just the 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:36.920 temperature this is now. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:37.240 Now. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.600 We talked about this, go back to January sixth, even 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:45.240 right well, people were arguing, is was he inciting an 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.199 insurrection in that moment in that speech, And people will 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.280 tell you yes, it sounds like he was giving marching 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:51.920 orders to go up there and fight like hell and 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.480 all these things. So how how can anyone here or 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:01.480 listen a follower, a fringe follower, someone who's not quite right? 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.640 This is my god. The president just said their words 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.360 can't be allowed to stand. He didn't just say trial, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.440 he didn't say investigation. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:17.760 Punishable by death. I just reposted someone suggesting that they 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.920 should be hanged. That is not That is not something 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.360 to be taken lightly. It's not in ingest. It's not funny, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.560 it's not it's not cute, koy. This is serious. And 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:34.160 six democratic lawmakers again who have military service, who served 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.840 our country, are now fearing for their life and their 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:38.800 famili's safety. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.600 There are a lot of times and you know what, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.600 even the piggy thing, even when that happened, he called 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.320 a reporter a piggy. It's whatever degree he has a 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.120 different standard that we hold him to. And we heard 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.840 that even in one day, Yeah Trump and went about 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.679 our business. It's rare for him to shock the hell 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.080 out of you. This one's I'm this is this is 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.040 something else, just given the times we are, and good 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.400 Lord Charlie Kirk, after we saw this man gunned down 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.319 over words, over politics, over somebody saying his words can't 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.440 be allowed to stand. He can't continue to eat you 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.559 shut somebody up. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.720 Teachers are fired, people are losing their jobs because they 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.240 suggested something or they made light of a death. And 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:27.080 yet the president says what he says, and Carolyn Levitt 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.839 tells us that we're focused on the wrong thing. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.080 Well, aren't there people out there, including maybe many of 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.839 his supporters, who will see or who will take this 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.320 and go yeah, I agree, who are following his direction 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.520 and following his policies. They're following his mindset, They're following 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.680 the way he sees things. I'm trying, I'm really really 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.680 trying to be on that side, to look at it 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.160 from that angle and go, wow, these members of Congress 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.120 did something so egregious that they should be looked into 0:10:54.480 --> 0:11:01.480 as treasonous as seditious. It does it right. I'm trying 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.160 to see the other side and to where you would 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.120 use this type of language, to where you would make 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.920 this type of suggestion over what they said. I just 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:10.680 can't get there. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.160 I would like to read what they said because I 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.040 have it here. So, folks who are listening, if you 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.280 haven't watched the video, certainly you should. It's on Senator 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.679 Alissa Slotkin's social media pages that the whole video is 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.520 up there, and certainly it's been running on all the 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.200 news shows today. But this is what the lawmaker said. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.080 We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.640 Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.160 The administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.600 professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.920 oath to protect and defend this constitution. Right now, the 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.480 threats to our constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.600 from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.880 can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.920 one has to carry out orders that violate the law 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.560 of our constitution. Now, these lawmakers did not call for 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.280 any opposition to a specific policy or to a specific order, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.920 but They're just saying, you actually have a duty as 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.920 a member of the US military to uphold the constitution 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.000 and to reject any illegal order. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:21.319 They say they made this. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.800 Video because they've been hearing from rank and file members, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:28.560 from their contacts that people are concerned about being forced 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.360 to do something that they believe is illegal. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.760 They stated facts, and they stated law, and they stated 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.800 do they not as this is understood, all of us 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.560 have some kind of knowledge of that tangentially or whatever 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.600 that that exists, that you're not permitted and you're okay 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.080 to refuse somebody just tells you, hey, go in there 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.200 and attack that Walmart. For me, you're not going to 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.200 follow that order because it's illegal, right, It's very simple stuff. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.640 How does that rise to the level of you, all 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:56.760 the traders who need to die? 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.320 You got me? 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.000 I'm trying, I'm trying to find I'm always trying to 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.160 look at both sides and not just go after and criticize. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.319 But this is just dangerous stuff. How many of these 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.640 episodes have we done talking about violence, talking about Charlie Kirk, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.040 talking about everything that came after that rose. Oh we 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.120 could what the lawmakers were killed up in? Was it Michigan. Yes, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.079 this year Pennsylvania governor house set on fire. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.840 Yes, this is Nancy Pelosi's husband attacked. I mean, you 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:26.920 can keep going on and on. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.479 It's been happening in greater numbers over the years, and 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.920 this is the exact opposite of what we need in 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.760 this country of bringing. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.480 The temperature down with folks. We don't just take our 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.920 word for it. We certainly got us thinking. A lot 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:47.000 of people are talking about treason versus sedition, versus insurrection. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.120 Those have been thrown around. We'll get some clarity on that. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.160 We do have the law here in front of us. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.600 Also some famous cases. Maybe you know about the cases 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.160 of treason, but maybe not the ones having to do 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:09.160 with seditions. Stay with us here, we're right back, all right. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.199 We continue now on this episode of Amy and TJ 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.959 talking about sedition. The president's tweets in which he said 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.880 that certain members of Congress who did something he didn't 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.280 like should possibly be charged with sedition, which is punishable 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.760 by death. One of my you know, one of my 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.200 favorite favorite favorite movies, Michael Douglas, American President. You remember 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.120 that movie. Yes, there's a great scene with a net 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.720 Benning when he first meets her in the White House. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.160 She was showing off talking about him in some meeting. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.920 He sneaks in, They turn around, they see him there, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.680 and he, with a great smile, says, let's take him 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.840 out back and shoot him. And he gets this laugh 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.120 out of it because it was just this cool moment 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.600 and it scared everybody in the room. The President's here, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.120 we're talking about him, and and he made this joke. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.240 And I always love that scene in that line because 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.320 it was delivered perfectly, and it gave you an idea 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.840 of I guess the energy in the room and why 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.120 something like that sounds so ridiculous. That obviously is. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.200 Jogi right coming from the President of the United States. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.480 Clearly he would never call for the death of someone. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.480 Take him out back and shoot is what he said 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.560 in front of them. And here we are. That was funny, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:19.200 and it's so ridiculous that it you'd have to laugh. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.080 You knew it was a joke. Yes, immediately today not 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:23.600 so much. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.480 We have to take everything he says. Seriously. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.440 Wow, it's frightening. So we went and looked up what 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.440 sedition actually is, and so the US Code defines sedition 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.200 as this a crime involving two or more people in 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.600 the United States for any of the following purposes. To 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.680 conspire to overthrow or destroy by force, the government of 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.040 the United States, or to wage war against it, To 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.720 oppose by force the authority of the United States Government, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.800 to prevent, hinder, or delay by force, the execution of 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.720 any law of the United States. Or to take, sees 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.040 or possessed by force any property of the United States. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.280 This is the way it has to This involves conspiracy, right. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.040 At least two people, two or more people in the 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:10.960 United States. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.520 Okay, this is why it jumped out to me when 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.640 you were talking about this early. I'm looking back at 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.680 Carolyn Levitt's she used some language that seemed to try 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.320 to set up there. It is you have sitting members 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.440 of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.480 like it was specific language. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.080 But this is the caveat here that really got me 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:37.320 to get a conviction for seditious conspiracy. The government has 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:42.000 to prove that the defendants conspired to use force. Simply 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.360 advocating for the use of force is not the same thing. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.480 By that definition. This is a non sense. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.320 It's a moot point, yes. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.520 But has impact who knows what kind. Yes, they're not 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.840 going to trial, They're not going to get hauled into 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:57.440 court over this. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.040 No. Yes. And the interesting thing is, if you are 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.560 just a US citizen and you're convicted of sedition, you 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.480 can face up to twenty years in prison. But if 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.680 you are a member of the military, if you are 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.800 a military or you can face the death penalty under 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.119 the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And these members of 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.679 Congress were members of the military, So by that connection 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.359 you would say it's possible that they could get a 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.240 death sentence if they were to be convicted of sedition. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.159 And we tried to find there are not a lot 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.120 of cases historically having to do with sedition. We thought 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.159 that might be a bunch of famous cases. It's actually 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.239 really not, not names you would know, but there was 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.040 what was the best two years, I guess this was 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.840 pretty high profile members of the Oath keeper Low. Yes. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.080 Yes, yes, those who were charged January sixth, Yes, there 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.480 were some sedition charges in a few of those cases. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.840 But this is really really rare. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.640 I went and looked the AP says that in the 0:17:53.800 --> 0:18:00.200 history of the United States, only twelve people have been 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.200 convicted either through treeson or s edition, and we're talking 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:09.960 Aaron Burr, we're talking Tokyo Rose, We're talking very different cases. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.840 Completely, it was Benedict Arnold. We go back to that. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.199 He wasn't. Actually we consider him a traitor, but he 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.560 was never formally. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.320 He's not on this list. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.560 The point is you have to go back a ways. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:22.000 Correct. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.040 This isn't used a lot. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.760 Correct, and so this is just I mean, I would 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.560 say the only good thing that has come out of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.120 the story is that maybe we as Americans are learning 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.840 more about our laws more. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:32.639 I'm serious. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.880 I looked up and learned things I did not know 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.120 that I wouldn't have looked out or looked at either way. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.240 And also looking at the Uniformed Code of Military. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:45.560 Justice, which is basically what the military is allowed to 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.119 do when it comes to lawful orders. And I actually 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.200 looked at all of this too, and it was really interesting. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.919 So basically, any person subject to this chapter who willing 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.680 willfully disobeys a lawful command shall be punished, Okay, so 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.960 that could be punished by death. So if you disobey 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.040 a lawful command, that could be punished by death, just 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.000 by the way, and. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.760 Then if the offense is committed. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.320 You end up outside of a war time, you can 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.879 be court martialed and again serious significant punishments. 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.480 But I thought this was interesting. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.199 An order is considered lawful, and this is where I 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.680 think the question is between what the lawmakers are saying 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.240 and what the president is saying. A military order is 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:35.800 lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.520 of the United States, or lawful superior orders, or for 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.160 some other reason beyond the authority of the official issuing. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.000 So it is a little confusing. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.400 Well, who gets to say whether or not this order 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.840 is lawful or not? Especially a lot of this stuff 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.960 is tied up in a court, correct, So is it 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.800 an illegal order to tell me to go patrol this 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:58.160 street because a judge just said this is an illegal deployment. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:03.199 It is a gray area and very confusing, especially in 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.399 these times when President Trump is ordering, yes, members of 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.600 the military to go in to cities and then you 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.840 have judges saying you're not allowed to go into said cities. 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:20.440 So where whose orders are the lawful ones? It is confusing. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.439 It's an interesting conversation. It just doesn't need to be 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.600 fueled with all this horrific rhetoric. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:27.840 That's a good point, we could still be having the 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.280 same debate without this part being in it. But folk, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.359 we just if you listen to us a little bit 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.640 at all and our pat you know, we always are 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.639 on trying to just bring the rhetoric down and words 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:45.159 matter and careful of what you say. So we encourage 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.080 you all to being careful in what you're saying today 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.359 and just remember always that words matter. And please be 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.680 a part of bringing the temperature down in this country 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.679 if you can. If that's even with a conversation on 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.000 the subway, at the grocery store, just please, we gotta 0:20:59.320 --> 0:20:59.960 be better. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.960 Or around the Thanksgiving Thanksgiving dinner this coming week. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.600 There's a lot to talk about here. Thank you for listening, everybody. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.119 We always appreciate you. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:12.040 We will talk to you soon.