Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
Speaker 1: build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 3: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
Speaker 3: I'm Jay Glazer and joining me now is somebody who
Speaker 3: you know everybody loves a redemption story and redemptions on us.
Speaker 3: I always have a saying, you never know what lies
Speaker 3: around next Tuesday. The next Tuesday, your life can change.
Speaker 3: You can go for the bed or can you can
Speaker 3: make a choice and make your life get back on
Speaker 3: a track you never even knew it would lead to.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good way to intro our. Next guest
Speaker 3: Marion Jones, who has one time labeled the fastest woman alive,
Speaker 3: had five medals you have to correct me, five Olympic
Speaker 3: medals and life Firal.
Speaker 2: Had some drug issues. I was involved in Balco, did some.
Speaker 3: Prison time, but before he hit that because I always
Speaker 3: want to do the redemptions first and then go back
Speaker 3: to it. You have used all your experiences to now
Speaker 3: come up with a new podcast. It's just launched called
Speaker 3: Second Wind, which I love obviously with who you are,
Speaker 3: but kind of dive into how this all came about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay well, thank you for having me on. It's
Speaker 1: nice to meet you. It has been an incredible ride,
Speaker 1: to say the least. And there's not many people in
Speaker 1: this world, I think that can truly say that they
Speaker 1: have hit one of the one of the peaks of
Speaker 1: their career, right, and I certainly did. At least I
Speaker 1: thought that was the peak of my career because I
Speaker 1: am of course on my second wind. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: choices and life and things happen and you kind of
Speaker 1: lose it all and you wonder for a short period
Speaker 1: of time, Jay, like like what's next? Like where am
Speaker 1: I going after all of this? You know, what does
Speaker 1: redemption look like for me? And then you just grind
Speaker 1: and you bounce back and you pick yourself up and
Speaker 1: you figure it out and you learn tools on not
Speaker 1: only how to cope, but how to push through even further.
Speaker 1: And so that's where we're at now. Yes, So you know,
Speaker 1: alongside my friend and business partner Susanne Evans, we've launched
Speaker 1: Second Wind, which launched on March the eighteenth. Again, really,
Speaker 1: what it is is a podcast for everybody, Jay, It's
Speaker 1: for people whom again have caught a bad break. I've
Speaker 1: made a poor choice, which I think encompasses most people
Speaker 1: on this earth, right, and you're right, and then you
Speaker 1: come back and your second win, and so we chat
Speaker 1: with entrepreneurs and celebrities and athletes and people whom I
Speaker 1: feel like are on their second win and have just
Speaker 1: a really inspiring story to share. And it's been something
Speaker 1: that has been in my wheelhouse for many years and
Speaker 1: it's come to fruition this year and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Mart I like to say I'm fucked up, and I'm
Speaker 2: good with my fucked upness.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm very open about everything I've ever done
Speaker 4: or issues, and I think it was really trying to
Speaker 4: I wrote a mental health a few years ago, called
Speaker 4: them breakable because I'm like, the center of dude is mom, football, fighting, ballers.
Speaker 3: No one's question my manhood. So I could the more
Speaker 3: I talk about things, the more I fell. I think
Speaker 3: I'm being in service and it's helping in between my ears.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate somebody coming on and saying, hey, this
Speaker 3: is what this is what I did. So I got
Speaker 3: a bunch of different questions for you. So let's go back,
Speaker 3: obviously to when you're the fastest woman in the world.
Speaker 3: Were you the fastest woman in the world without the
Speaker 3: use of drugs, and if you were, what got you
Speaker 3: to use them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is I certainly believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: without making the choices to without making the choices to
Speaker 1: do certain things, that I would have been considered the
Speaker 1: fastest woman in the world. And that's simply just based
Speaker 1: off of facts. This is not me guessing, This is
Speaker 1: not my opinion. This is the fact that from the
Speaker 1: time I was an age group tracked to the time
Speaker 1: when I decided to step away from the sport, I
Speaker 1: was dominating and there was a certain amount of time
Speaker 1: in that were you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two
Speaker 1: years old, right and right like the world is on
Speaker 1: a silver platter to me, and I'm making choices in
Speaker 1: regards to whom I'm surrounding myself with. And it's one
Speaker 1: of the things I tell my clients and that I
Speaker 1: share with young people and young aspiring athletes. Be very careful,
Speaker 1: as you know, Jay, the company that you keep and
Speaker 1: surround yourself with people who are going to lift you
Speaker 1: up and not just try and take from you. And
Speaker 1: it's very easy when you're that age and you're making
Speaker 1: a lot of money, A lot.
Speaker 2: Of crowd DUTs, Yeah, a lot of crowd duds.
Speaker 1: Yes, I like to say, you know, like just it's
Speaker 1: very easy for people to take, take, take, and I
Speaker 1: just made choices and didn't ask questions about supplements that
Speaker 1: were given to me and all the like. I didn't
Speaker 1: ask questions. I just trusted people. But again, to answer
Speaker 1: your initial question, do I think right, like you know,
Speaker 1: I could have won the gold medals and the bronze
Speaker 1: medals and all the success that came my way without
Speaker 1: having been given certain stuff. Yes, all right, And so
Speaker 1: I always like to clear up though, j when we're
Speaker 1: sharing the story, like the facts of it, and that
Speaker 1: is that like in all of it, like, did I
Speaker 1: sit down and take anything like knowingly thinking that that
Speaker 1: was going to make me faster? The answer is no,
Speaker 1: besides what I thought was all natural. Right now, My issue, right,
Speaker 1: and I like to clear this up for people don't
Speaker 1: know the story or don't remember the story or whatever.
Speaker 1: My issue is that I made choices years later to
Speaker 1: lie about what I was given once I found out
Speaker 1: what it was, and I lied to federal investigators, which
Speaker 1: is always a no no, right, And because of that, Jake, right,
Speaker 1: I accepted my sentence of six months incarceration. But again,
Speaker 1: like there's no excuses, like I messed up, paid the consequences.
Speaker 1: But you know, I like to say, man, do I
Speaker 1: wish I could go back and do things slightly different? Sure,
Speaker 1: but I would be right as you Jay, You wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the man that you are today without having gone
Speaker 1: through some shit, and I would not be the woman
Speaker 1: that I am today without the same. And so in
Speaker 1: a way, in a really fed up, odd type of way,
Speaker 1: I am grateful for the hiccups. I'm grateful for the
Speaker 1: bumps because one you quickly realized who your true circle is,
Speaker 1: right when you have nothing to provide for them, right
Speaker 1: except who you are, Right Like there was a period
Speaker 1: of time where there was no gifts being shared, right,
Speaker 1: there's no success being had, and the people who were
Speaker 1: through it with me through it all and are with
Speaker 1: mouth like, those are the people you hang on to.
Speaker 1: So just I always always like to give that little
Speaker 1: bit of a bit of information, Jack, I love that
Speaker 1: because people.
Speaker 3: This podcast know I say all the time, I'm most
Speaker 3: proud of my scores. Right, so look I'm in the
Speaker 3: TV Hall of Fame. That was the second guy in
Speaker 3: the NFL fight professionally in midst martial art Diana Emmy.
Speaker 3: I never talked about them, but I just did right there.
Speaker 3: But I never talked about it. I always talk about
Speaker 3: the shit I've overcome, you know, the grind and the
Speaker 3: grind and the grind and the grind in the hours
Speaker 3: of work when people don't see your you know, training
Speaker 3: guys with twelve ruptures on my back and you know,
Speaker 3: breaking my nose seven times and my help. The scars
Speaker 3: are that's our equity and we all have them, I mean,
Speaker 3: so for you to embrace them, I think it's amazing
Speaker 3: that you do it. What got you to because a
Speaker 3: lot of people resentment, resentful of their scars and their experiences.
Speaker 3: What was the pivot for you to go? You know what,
Speaker 3: I can either be you know, just curious that this
Speaker 3: all happened. Ark he used to be of service. What
Speaker 3: was that pivot for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll tell you there was a brief moment
Speaker 1: and I think we all go through it when you
Speaker 1: just sit in disbelief, you pissed off with yourself. You're
Speaker 1: pissed off, yeah, and then once you get past that point,
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, right, Like I also think let me
Speaker 1: tell you, Jay, and I'll answer your question in a moment.
Speaker 1: But I also think that you know, you realize that,
Speaker 1: oh I do at least that I must have just
Speaker 1: been because I'm a believer, right like, and I think
Speaker 1: that you're not ever given more than what you can handle.
Speaker 1: I also think that my background in sport at the
Speaker 1: highest level has kind of given me certain tools to
Speaker 1: handle stress and to handle hard times. And that's not
Speaker 1: to say that everybody who wasn't an athlete can't, of course,
Speaker 1: but I think that I have a leg up and
Speaker 1: advantage when it comes to that. But right, like, that's
Speaker 1: my life, right, Like I teach my clients now, you
Speaker 1: need to embrace the discomfort, right because that's when the
Speaker 1: true growth happens. Right if you're like, oh this hurts.
Speaker 5: Or oh this is uncomfortable, okay, But like I get
Speaker 5: to that, you get to that moment where you're like,
Speaker 5: you know what, how can I use this for the
Speaker 5: good and not just the good to make me better
Speaker 5: or you know, like financially sound, but like how.
Speaker 1: Can I use this mess? And we've heard the term
Speaker 1: many times, how can I turn this mess into just
Speaker 1: a message to help people? You're there, Jay, You've been there.
Speaker 1: It's what you do, right, Like the hope, the goal
Speaker 1: is that you know only I have to go through
Speaker 1: stuff and not everybody right, people are gonna go right, right?
Speaker 1: How can I turn this mess into just a message
Speaker 1: for people not to have to go through it?
Speaker 2: We go through this pain to help others do theirs.
Speaker 1: That is my fuel. I talk fuel now. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you for a few reasons. Jay. One, I'm almost fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm aa turn fifty this year. It's crazy, crazy to
Speaker 1: think that, But I'm embarking on a new physical challenge
Speaker 1: which I haven't had since I retired from sport over
Speaker 1: many years ago. And then I'm starting to do some triathlons.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to focus on an endurance sport which I
Speaker 1: know nothing about, right, Like my sport of choice was
Speaker 1: quick move here, and so the idea, at the age
Speaker 1: of fifty, I'm going to tackle a sport that I've
Speaker 1: had so much respect for for decades, and endurance fort
Speaker 1: So I mentioned the word fuel because that's all that
Speaker 1: triathletes talk about, making sure you fuel your workouts, making
Speaker 1: sure you fuel your competition. But now like making sure
Speaker 1: that I fuel my community, right, like I give them
Speaker 1: the tools on how to not only hope with their
Speaker 1: shits right, like base it head on and deal with it,
Speaker 1: but like move forward. And when was that necessary moment
Speaker 1: for me when I realized that either they are effed
Speaker 1: over or they make choices to do it to themselves.
Speaker 1: It's resonates with everybody. It's not just women, it's not
Speaker 1: just people of color, like whatever, it's everybody. And so
Speaker 1: like this idea that my story which is very personal,
Speaker 1: and there's moments even when I sit and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: the amount of people that I think need to hear
Speaker 1: it are hearing it, and they're like, yeasty, stuck in
Speaker 1: our off failure is not forever. Our setbacks And it's
Speaker 1: kind of my mantra now, Jay, like, our setbacks can
Speaker 1: be the catalyst for our biggest comeback in life. Right,
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay there. I hate it. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you I hate it when I hear people say, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know way out, like I don't know a
Speaker 1: way okay. First is for you to look in the mirror,
Speaker 1: right and for you to say yes, like I made
Speaker 1: a mess of this situation. I acknowledge it. You apologize
Speaker 1: you do whatever you gotta do with your people, with
Speaker 1: your family. Let's handle it, like, what are the tools
Speaker 1: to get you out of your stuff?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And don't stay there? It's huge for me.
Speaker 3: So I am the king of self sabotage, and like
Speaker 3: my mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, my bipole or
Speaker 3: everything always tell me I'm not worthy of things.
Speaker 2: So I will.
Speaker 3: Sabotage because the pain of living in question for when
Speaker 3: it's going to end is worse than an ending. I'll
Speaker 3: speed up the end so I know I've done it,
Speaker 3: and I've done a ship ton of work on this.
Speaker 2: I just got married last year.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to get married to this amazing,
Speaker 3: beautiful Rosie Tennis and had I not done this work
Speaker 3: and be able to deal with that.
Speaker 2: But I understood why I'm sabotaging.
Speaker 3: Have you figured out the why you decided to do
Speaker 3: what you did then, because obviously you said, we have
Speaker 3: some some shit. Was it trusting people? Was it you
Speaker 3: saying no, I don't Is it unworthiness thing? Kind of
Speaker 3: die deep of beer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay, you know, it's a little bit of all
Speaker 1: of that. It's a little bit of this idea. And
Speaker 1: again I don't. I am cautious to like, excuse, excuse, excuse,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see any of this as that
Speaker 1: I see. These are just me identifying, like just speaking
Speaker 1: flax along the way. You know, I am a product
Speaker 1: of an incredible single parent household, right like my mom
Speaker 1: is a is was it will always be a rock star.
Speaker 1: She came to this country to create a better life
Speaker 1: for herself and her two kids, my older brother and I.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have a father figure in the house.
Speaker 1: So when I decided right, I graduated from college, I
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. And again success hit me
Speaker 1: very fast. At the age of twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: I was a young student athlete at the University of
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and when I graduated, like success hit me
Speaker 1: like that. In regards to money, in regards to fame,
Speaker 1: in regards to man, I'm I'm physically gifted. I'm being
Speaker 1: able to use this for all of this. And I
Speaker 1: find that at that time, right when people are telling
Speaker 1: you how great you are, how great you are marrying
Speaker 1: and patting you on the back, and they become yes people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Those are people that are
Speaker 1: gonna say yes to you, no matter what do you
Speaker 1: call them jags? Right, and you start to be like,
Speaker 1: oh this and you distance yourself from the people in
Speaker 1: your life who're going to give it to you straight
Speaker 1: and is probably, you know, success happening so fast me
Speaker 1: was probably the worst thing that could happen as opposed
Speaker 1: to it be a slow, hard climb right now, hit
Speaker 1: me so fast? And so because of that, I can
Speaker 1: identify like certain reasons why and and all of that.
Speaker 3: Weyler Maren also won the NC double A tournament for
Speaker 3: a North Carolina which is what you has are crazy
Speaker 3: back there? If people what's the difference in euphoria when
Speaker 3: you win an NC double A tournament and win a
Speaker 3: gold medal?
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that's a great question. They're both so incredibly satisfying.
Speaker 1: The one the gold medal for an individual event is
Speaker 1: special because it's you versus the clock, right, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: you have the support of your family and your friends,
Speaker 1: but literally it's a lonely, lonely journey to win an
Speaker 1: individual event at the Games, right. I find that the
Speaker 1: more success you get in the life, the lonelier your
Speaker 1: journey has been. But with a team sport and a
Speaker 1: national championship, it has created a a sisterhood, right, that
Speaker 1: is unbreakable. We celebrated our thirty plus year anniversary, which
Speaker 1: is crazy again to think Jay incredible, Like, if I
Speaker 1: get those thirteen other women next to me right now,
Speaker 1: it'll feel like I'm seventeen, eighteen years old. It is
Speaker 1: an incredible moment. Anyways, Yeah, that's that's a special special
Speaker 1: time for me before the chaos and crazy of life began.
Speaker 3: So I always like to say that the secret of
Speaker 3: grade this is really the amount of work you put
Speaker 3: them when no one's watching you. I have a wrestling background.
Speaker 2: Nobody watches us.
Speaker 3: We're usually cafeteria somewhere, you know, just filthy, grimy, cutting weights, disgusting,
Speaker 3: But that it's maybe why I am.
Speaker 2: And you're kind of saying the same a little bit
Speaker 2: same thing about track and fuel.
Speaker 3: Tell me about what as to be the best in
Speaker 3: track and feel those hours and the rest of us
Speaker 3: don't see.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start sharing this part of the story with
Speaker 1: a little with a little story for you. An example.
Speaker 1: So when I was training, I trained it back in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. After I graduated, I stay there for a
Speaker 1: bit and train, and I would get to the track
Speaker 1: right Like again, it's a lonely, lonely at the top
Speaker 1: is lonely, right, and and people who are like, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you find success? I'm gonna tell you, a
Speaker 1: are you prepared? Right to me?
Speaker 2: As if no one's willing to get up when you're
Speaker 2: getting up and.
Speaker 1: All nobody knows the pain, nobody knows restless nights when
Speaker 1: those legs can't like relax or your brain or your body. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that's that's again a whole other story.
Speaker 2: But I like to hear this what we want to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would get to the track every single workout,
Speaker 1: every single workout. I would get there early, always before
Speaker 1: everybody else, Like I don't. I mean, there are millions
Speaker 1: of elite athletes who tell you the same, like it's
Speaker 1: just part of who we are. Because I need to
Speaker 1: process it, right, I need to process the setting. I
Speaker 1: need to process like who's gonna show up that day.
Speaker 1: I know who's gonna show up, but hey, get in
Speaker 1: that frame of mind. I always like to train early
Speaker 1: so that there's no more distractions in the day. I'm
Speaker 1: not opening mail and sing something. I'm not opening up
Speaker 1: the paper back then and seeing something. Right, there was
Speaker 1: no social media, thankfully, I'm a jeep lover. So I'd
Speaker 1: sit in my jeep and I'd flip down my visor Jay,
Speaker 1: and I'd look at myself in that mirror. I'm by myself,
Speaker 1: and I'd say, marrying, who's gonna show up today? Is
Speaker 1: anybody in the world going to train better than you?
Speaker 1: Harder than you, faster than you, smarter than you? I
Speaker 1: would flip it down. I'd make my way out to
Speaker 1: the track. Two, three, four hours later, I get back
Speaker 1: in the jeep, open up the visor, and I will
Speaker 1: tell you in this, in the career span of over
Speaker 1: a decade, right, and I'm being honest with you, I
Speaker 1: open up that visor and a no more than a
Speaker 1: handful of five times. Right. I looked at myself and
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody today, right, nobody today. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know why those five times?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm always kicked myself. It's one of a reason
Speaker 1: I have many sleepless nights like why that one day?
Speaker 1: Who showed up? But that's how I am, even with
Speaker 1: what I do, right, Like, I'm always like, how to
Speaker 1: make it bigger? How to impact more people's lives? And
Speaker 1: it is a it is a it is a it's
Speaker 1: a crusher situation. But again, I feel like not everybody
Speaker 1: in this life, Jake has been given certain things to
Speaker 1: impact the masses, right, And no I'm not a god.
Speaker 1: I'm not here with God complex or any of that.
Speaker 1: But we all have our strengths in life, right, and
Speaker 1: it's our responsibility we've been once, we've been handed them
Speaker 1: at birth, to research it, to work on it, to
Speaker 1: make it better, to impact more people. And I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 1: did you do it today? Did you did you put
Speaker 1: in the hour today? Even now, No, it's not like
Speaker 1: training at the level that I did before, although now
Speaker 1: it is for a triathlete a little bit, but now
Speaker 1: it's other things. It's impacting the lives of the people
Speaker 1: in my community. We have social media, which has been
Speaker 1: a whole other beast and having to figure out now Jay,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't grow up with that shit, right. I
Speaker 1: wish we could go back in time, right and like.
Speaker 2: We were around and uninvented.
Speaker 1: But then again, for people, I speak with a lot
Speaker 1: of entrepreneurs about like how to be successful in business
Speaker 1: and how to come back from loss, whether it's financial
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I have so many clients who are
Speaker 1: like our age and a little bit older who are
Speaker 1: so anti social media. Right, if you're wishing and hoping
Speaker 1: that we're gonna like it's it's gonna be a fad, right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a thing. Like you you must not
Speaker 1: want your business to throw, right, you better figure that out.
Speaker 1: I had to figure that out during COVID. I'm also
Speaker 1: a trainer, like love health. I love fitness, you know,
Speaker 1: I love wellness. And I was a trainer for a
Speaker 1: lot number of years. And COVID hit and my background
Speaker 1: and technology, I didn't grow up with the computer in
Speaker 1: my house, right, like we used to have the little
Speaker 1: uh I don't know, the cameras where you would take
Speaker 1: to Walgreens and they you know those type and so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the suzzble ones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I made a decision like this is my I love it,
Speaker 1: it's my passion. I want to help people. And you
Speaker 1: mean that something has happened in the world, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to know because I always see things as an opportunity,
Speaker 1: Like people can just look at things and be like
Speaker 1: whoe is me? I'm like, nope, how can I make
Speaker 1: this opportunity? Right? And so when COVID hit and I
Speaker 1: couldn't be in person with clients, right, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you mean I have the idea and the ability now
Speaker 1: to train people from around the world, right, like.
Speaker 2: What zoom.
Speaker 1: And and so in the height of Zoom, I was
Speaker 1: training too three hundred clients at one time. Wow, Jay,
Speaker 1: I had like ten eleven pages that I would have
Speaker 1: to scroll through. People are listening to me. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: turn your camera on if you want, if you want
Speaker 1: me to be able to help your form, right, and
Speaker 1: we get through this workout, and so I'm having to
Speaker 1: scroll through anyways. The whole point of that is that
Speaker 1: you have to embrace we go back through. It's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: The difference. I was up at four forty five this
Speaker 1: morning and I have my other thing, like I have
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I have my business of training entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: but I still double in my fitness training. I was
Speaker 1: up in four forty five because I love it. Find
Speaker 1: your passion and don't let anybody like say you can't
Speaker 1: do it. You know, all those type of things. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you can hear them, like when we talk about certain
Speaker 1: stuff that you can hear that I'm just passionate about
Speaker 1: and it exudes from me and I tell my clients
Speaker 1: that if if you don't have a passion, if you're
Speaker 1: not selling something that you love, that you'd be okay
Speaker 1: with not making any money making zooed from your pores
Speaker 1: when you walk into the room, Do you have a
Speaker 1: certain confidence about you before.
Speaker 2: You even open your mouth?
Speaker 1: Yes? And and create what I call when I was
Speaker 1: talking to a group earlier today, Jay, like, create a
Speaker 1: sticky memory with people, right, Create something in your business,
Speaker 1: in your world that people are going to think back
Speaker 1: on and be like, oh, like this chip something about her,
Speaker 1: like I want to know more about her, like I
Speaker 1: want like like just like right, and you know, you
Speaker 1: just get people to say, no, we don't got to
Speaker 1: be stuck. You don't care who you are. You don't
Speaker 1: care if you're on the cover of Vogue magazine and
Speaker 1: lost it all right, there's still something incredible about you
Speaker 1: that the world should hear and just make it happen.
Speaker 1: So that's so when.
Speaker 2: Did you when? What was the thing that got you
Speaker 2: make that switch from I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if you were resentful or bift or or
Speaker 3: had a pitty party, whatever it was.
Speaker 4: This second win, well, you know, I I'm proud of
Speaker 4: you for this murder.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jay, well, I like to say, well, I
Speaker 1: had a lot of downtime in my six month vacation.
Speaker 2: I do want to ask you about that.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: To reflect, and again, I'm gonna make the best of
Speaker 1: every situation. I stepped out of most time to.
Speaker 2: Go with the pity party route.
Speaker 3: And again it keeps going that way or something usually
Speaker 3: trips us to make to go the other way going
Speaker 3: you know what, to use my pain to help others
Speaker 3: do theirs.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you what that moment was, Jay, Right,
Speaker 1: like when I won, when I stepped out of the
Speaker 1: facility in Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas. That was the
Speaker 1: federal institution I was housed in. I one stepped out
Speaker 1: of there the best shape in my life. Okay, really
Speaker 1: because I had so much time like a movement and exercise.
Speaker 1: That is my stress reliever. And I don't care if
Speaker 1: you keep me in solitary, which I was for forty
Speaker 1: nine days, right, if you keep me stuck in a
Speaker 1: small space, unless you put me in a sharp cage, right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Jay. And I became friends with the guards
Speaker 1: and they would slit me an extra peanut butter and
Speaker 1: banana to make sure I had some fuel. Right anyway,
Speaker 1: But in those quiet, dark, hard times, I like to say,
Speaker 1: I and was able to reflect because things before I
Speaker 1: was on this wave. Right, listen to this example. I'm
Speaker 1: on this wave and it just takes you further and
Speaker 1: further out sometimes where you can't touch the bottom and
Speaker 1: you're just kind of treading and you're kind of existing
Speaker 1: and surviving and you're moving away from like the reality
Speaker 1: of the ground and the earth, right, and so you're
Speaker 1: making decisions and it's quick and you're not right. But now,
Speaker 1: like the wave that had brought me back, and I'm
Speaker 1: on the shore and I'm like, you know what, how
Speaker 1: did I get to be to this? How did I
Speaker 1: get here? Right? But more important, like what was my mother?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who sacrificed so much right and left this small third
Speaker 1: world country and made the decision at whatever age I
Speaker 1: don't know how old she was when she came here
Speaker 1: with my older brother, and she's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I don't know, but I've heard, I've
Speaker 1: read that it can give a better life for me
Speaker 1: and my babies, right, Like, how does how do if
Speaker 1: I'm here sulking about them stuck? I'm stuck, and my
Speaker 1: mom right, it's a hard childhood just says you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm going to do it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the future holds, but I know it's got
Speaker 1: to be better than where I'm at right now. And
Speaker 1: that was my inspiration, right, that one right, like the
Speaker 1: dream that my mom had, right for her babies, right
Speaker 1: to be a success, to make a real impact in
Speaker 1: this life was not going to go unheard, right, And
Speaker 1: that was my fuel, really, And it was the first time.
Speaker 1: And I give the story about the wave and the
Speaker 1: treading water so you can get some context. I'm moving
Speaker 1: fast and there's chaos and I needed I needed a
Speaker 1: moment of stillness, right, And it was prison for me.
Speaker 1: I hope. My hope is that it's not for others, right,
Speaker 1: But that's for me. Sometimes you just need to be
Speaker 1: like you need your you can slow your ass damp
Speaker 1: and you need to get away from that world of
Speaker 1: chaos and say, okay, who am I? But more importantly,
Speaker 1: who do I want to be? Who do I want
Speaker 1: to be in this world? Right? Do I want to
Speaker 1: just be remembered as the fast? To me, it's like
Speaker 1: the idea of being remembered as the fastest woman in
Speaker 1: the world. There was a time, Jay, when I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to be remembered at. Right when
Speaker 1: when you're and you get to a certain age where
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I want to be remembered for like
Speaker 1: a human who sacrificed and like made real impact in
Speaker 1: the lives of people. Like you get to a place
Speaker 1: in your life when that is what you aspire to
Speaker 1: do and to be and that is to me and
Speaker 1: people will say it's so true. I mean it is.
Speaker 1: It is the feeling that knowing that, like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: had to go through stuff and my time away and
Speaker 1: from what I've had to deal with with the public
Speaker 1: and like fighting for my name back and like all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff and my reputation. It's been a
Speaker 1: hard wood.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: When people hear the story and they're like, wait, if
Speaker 1: she can do this and she can pull herself off
Speaker 1: and she bounced back and she can be here and
Speaker 1: there and everywhere, and now getting an opportunity and a
Speaker 1: platform to share her story when there were so many doors, Jay,
Speaker 1: that were shut when I came out of prison and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, y I'll shoo my story. No boom,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear it. No boom, nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hear it. And I'm patient. And I put into time right,
Speaker 1: and I nurtured myself and I grew, and I nurtured
Speaker 1: my family and they grow right and and and then
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I get a call, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be on Special Forces, which is just
Speaker 1: an incredible show that I was on last this past year.
Speaker 1: It's on Hulu now, the World's Toughest Task. Like that's
Speaker 1: not just that's me putting in the work. That's God.
Speaker 1: But like all those those type of things don't just happen.
Speaker 1: And then from there it's a catalyst for something else.
Speaker 1: And it's the podcast, and it's the triathlon, and it's
Speaker 1: all these different things, and it just lines up because
Speaker 1: I put in the time and it was hard.
Speaker 2: If you're going forward, you ain't going backwards.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: But I had two more questions for you.
Speaker 3: One just a last I just want to hit on
Speaker 3: telling you said you got put in the whole for
Speaker 3: forty nine days.
Speaker 1: Why ah, okay, let me give you a quick Let
Speaker 1: me give me the quick story. So as some people
Speaker 1: know that might be seeing and hearing this, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're incarcerated, there's there's no money, right, so you
Speaker 1: can purchase from commissary. I think goods, things that you
Speaker 1: need and want. Usually your family will put money on
Speaker 1: your books and type of stuff. But also people make
Speaker 1: money if they don't have family and friends that put
Speaker 1: on the books. They're hustle, right, They they help with laundry, right,
Speaker 1: they sew, they cook, they do all these little things
Speaker 1: right to make money if they don't have a support
Speaker 1: system to put money on their books. Also, in a
Speaker 1: lot of these institutions, right, there's theft, and so you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to stand at the washer and dryer
Speaker 1: for two hours, so you hire somebody with it who's
Speaker 1: trying to make money, which I quickly realized like that
Speaker 1: was the thing. I don't want I stealing my stuff,
Speaker 1: So you hire somebody to do your lune. Well, I
Speaker 1: find and I worked out Jay while I was there,
Speaker 1: and so I had a few different like sweatsuits, but
Speaker 1: I call it that all right. And all of a sudden, Jay,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing, like I don't have a s my sweat
Speaker 1: sure they're coming up missing, and I'm still paying out
Speaker 1: via commissary this individual and so like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: navigate the prison system. I don't have any history of it.
Speaker 1: Nobody in my family ever has. So I learned when
Speaker 1: you get in there. And so I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: how am I going to like bring this up to
Speaker 1: this person without offending anybody? Right? And so I decided
Speaker 1: one you don't do it around a lot of people, right,
Speaker 1: like anybody, you do it one on one. So one
Speaker 1: day the young lady and I asked her gently. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I didn't ask her. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I think. I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: start to do my own laundry, right like, just like that,
Speaker 1: like you know, thank you, and I'll finish paying you. Well,
Speaker 1: she took offense. Why because that's her last through your hood.
Speaker 1: I also found out a little bit later she was
Speaker 1: on some some meds and stuff. She hadn't been taking them.
Speaker 1: So there was an altercation, right, and I ran out
Speaker 1: of the room after there was some as we back
Speaker 1: in the day used to say, fist the cuffs, fist
Speaker 1: the cuffs, and I ran to the guard. She was
Speaker 1: bleeding all kinds of stuff and because of that, we
Speaker 1: got taken across the street to High security. I was
Speaker 1: putting the shoe. If you know with you know a
Speaker 1: federal institution that's lock up twenty three out of twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day. And because it was her word
Speaker 1: versus my word, they had to do an investigation. And
Speaker 1: so forty nine days later I was able.
Speaker 2: To do forty nine days Because you want to fight,
Speaker 2: that's not fair.
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, but again her word versus my word. But
Speaker 1: not again, I tell you to be by myself like
Speaker 1: I had. I needed that in my life. Even when
Speaker 1: I was on the lower security side they call it
Speaker 1: a camp. I was around a lot of people and
Speaker 1: I was having to navigate life and how to figure
Speaker 1: that out. Which, again, Jay, if I would have had
Speaker 1: that time that I needed to figure out who I want,
Speaker 1: who I am, I'm moving forward what I was going
Speaker 1: to do. So I am grateful for those forty nine
Speaker 1: days in the shoe. They were tough, but hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it all right?
Speaker 2: Question for you?
Speaker 3: I asked all my guests, this, give me your real
Speaker 3: breakable moment, the moment that sharebroken. You could have and didn't,
Speaker 3: and as a result, you came through the other side
Speaker 3: of that tull stronger.
Speaker 2: You may have already discussed it, but just frame it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't discussed it yet. So my unbreakable moment,
Speaker 1: Jay was standing on the courtroom steps after everything happened.
Speaker 1: It was the day of my sentencing. I had already,
Speaker 1: you know, made the decision that I was going to
Speaker 1: share with the world that I had lied to federal investigators,
Speaker 1: and we had the sentencing and going into that day,
Speaker 1: you know, I had my legal team and everything. Going
Speaker 1: into that day, it was recommended that I would get probation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Was prison time a possibility, of course, it always is,
Speaker 1: But the court recommends stuff. They research the person's life
Speaker 1: on what potentially good can come out of them being incarcerated,
Speaker 1: and what good they weigh that, and what good the
Speaker 1: person probation maybe help athletes, maybe help young people make
Speaker 1: better choices. And so stepping in that courtroom, we me
Speaker 1: and my legal team were fairly you know, fairly prepared
Speaker 1: for a sentence of probation, fines, et cetera. And three
Speaker 1: hours later, I looked to my left and right my
Speaker 1: legal team, and I had to ask them, did he
Speaker 1: did this guy just say six months locked up? Like
Speaker 1: like I couldn't even fathom it, Jay, Right, Like, even
Speaker 1: though you knew it was on the table, right, like
Speaker 1: everybody's like marrying, don't even don't even like you're not
Speaker 1: going to go to p like no other athlete like
Speaker 1: this a whole other story, no nobody else who was
Speaker 1: involved in any of this. Right, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And I had to look to my left and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was just done. You're just donned. I
Speaker 1: don't know. At that point, I had two little boys,
Speaker 1: two kids. Now I have three beautiful kids who are
Speaker 1: almost grown now. But man, I'm like what. So after that,
Speaker 1: in that moment of just being in shock, I walk
Speaker 1: out of the courtroom and I walked down the steps
Speaker 1: and there are, however, maybe felt like a thousand cameras
Speaker 1: waiting for a statement from me, and I could have
Speaker 1: easily just kind of like been ushered to the car,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, right, like the world embraced me.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, the world embraced me. Right, they put
Speaker 1: me on every cover of every magazine. Talk but right,
Speaker 1: it is my responsibility to step up now and do
Speaker 1: the right thing right and share with the world what
Speaker 1: happened that I'm sorry for it. And my unbreakable moment
Speaker 1: is when I stood in front of that microphone and
Speaker 1: I shared with the world that I had made poor choices.
Speaker 1: But my unbreakable moment was not just that. It was
Speaker 1: my mom's hand on my shoulder right like, giving me
Speaker 1: comfort and support, whispering in my ear You've got this,
Speaker 1: I'm here. We're going to get through this. And that
Speaker 1: was the moments. As hard as it was Jay to
Speaker 1: know that my rep everything at that moment would change forever,
Speaker 1: but feeling her hand on my shoulder, knowing that she
Speaker 1: loves me no matter what, and if my mama tells
Speaker 1: me that we're going to get through this, we're going
Speaker 1: to get through this.
Speaker 4: And so that was my moment, Jay, Maren, I really
Speaker 4: appreciate you joining me in vulnerability.
Speaker 3: Vulnerability is true track and I really appreciate it. Tell
Speaker 3: everybody again about your podcast before we.
Speaker 2: Let you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the podcast is called Second Win. It's on
Speaker 1: anywhere that you hear and see your podcast. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just an interesting perspective. Everybody wants to
Speaker 1: come back, want to see and hear a comeback story.
Speaker 1: And these are people that you know, that you've heard of,
Speaker 1: that you've been a fan of, that have been knocked down.
Speaker 1: Similar to, maybe, whoever is hearing this and you want
Speaker 1: to hear what their second win in life is all about?
Speaker 1: Tune in. Yeah, it's something special.
Speaker 2: Love it We ever want to guess? You got my peeps,
Speaker 2: I'm in. Thanks Ran Jones, Thanks you for joining the
Speaker 2: Unbreaable Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah awesome