WEBVTT - Unbreakable Episode 125 - Marion Jones 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:07.600 This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:10.799 build you from the inside out. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.680 Now here's Jay Glacier. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.360 Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.520 I'm Jay Glazer and joining me now is somebody who 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.200 you know everybody loves a redemption story and redemptions on us. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:25.680 I always have a saying, you never know what lies 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.440 around next Tuesday. The next Tuesday, your life can change. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.400 You can go for the bed or can you can 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.159 make a choice and make your life get back on 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.400 a track you never even knew it would lead to. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.160 That's a pretty good way to intro our. Next guest 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.600 Marion Jones, who has one time labeled the fastest woman alive, 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.559 had five medals you have to correct me, five Olympic 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.280 medals and life Firal. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.519 Had some drug issues. I was involved in Balco, did some. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.360 Prison time, but before he hit that because I always 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.440 want to do the redemptions first and then go back 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.560 to it. You have used all your experiences to now 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.240 come up with a new podcast. It's just launched called 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.120 Second Wind, which I love obviously with who you are, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.199 but kind of dive into how this all came about. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.080 Yeah, Jay well, thank you for having me on. It's 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.319 nice to meet you. It has been an incredible ride, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.360 to say the least. And there's not many people in 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:21.839 this world, I think that can truly say that they 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.800 have hit one of the one of the peaks of 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.280 their career, right, and I certainly did. At least I 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.840 thought that was the peak of my career because I 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.440 am of course on my second wind. And then, you know, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.960 choices and life and things happen and you kind of 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.720 lose it all and you wonder for a short period 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.240 of time, Jay, like like what's next? Like where am 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.960 I going after all of this? You know, what does 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.800 redemption look like for me? And then you just grind 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.640 and you bounce back and you pick yourself up and 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.840 you figure it out and you learn tools on not 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.919 only how to cope, but how to push through even further. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.080 And so that's where we're at now. Yes, So you know, 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.840 alongside my friend and business partner Susanne Evans, we've launched 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.480 Second Wind, which launched on March the eighteenth. Again, really, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.120 what it is is a podcast for everybody, Jay, It's 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:25.280 for people whom again have caught a bad break. I've 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.280 made a poor choice, which I think encompasses most people 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.520 on this earth, right, and you're right, and then you 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.200 come back and your second win, and so we chat 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.440 with entrepreneurs and celebrities and athletes and people whom I 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.000 feel like are on their second win and have just 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:46.840 a really inspiring story to share. And it's been something 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.560 that has been in my wheelhouse for many years and 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.800 it's come to fruition this year and I'm so excited 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:52.240 about it. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.919 Mart I like to say I'm fucked up, and I'm 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.079 good with my fucked upness. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.239 You know, I'm very open about everything I've ever done 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.239 or issues, and I think it was really trying to 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.079 I wrote a mental health a few years ago, called 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.400 them breakable because I'm like, the center of dude is mom, football, fighting, ballers. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.919 No one's question my manhood. So I could the more 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.720 I talk about things, the more I fell. I think 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.519 I'm being in service and it's helping in between my ears. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.040 So I appreciate somebody coming on and saying, hey, this 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.320 is what this is what I did. So I got 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.720 a bunch of different questions for you. So let's go back, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.280 obviously to when you're the fastest woman in the world. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.200 Were you the fastest woman in the world without the 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.240 use of drugs, and if you were, what got you 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:34.520 to use them? 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:41.560 Yeah, the answer is I certainly believe that, you know, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.840 without making the choices to without making the choices to 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.680 do certain things, that I would have been considered the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.280 fastest woman in the world. And that's simply just based 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.040 off of facts. This is not me guessing, This is 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.960 not my opinion. This is the fact that from the 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.480 time I was an age group tracked to the time 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.440 when I decided to step away from the sport, I 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.320 was dominating and there was a certain amount of time 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.840 in that were you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.680 years old, right and right like the world is on 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.160 a silver platter to me, and I'm making choices in 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.200 regards to whom I'm surrounding myself with. And it's one 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:22.960 of the things I tell my clients and that I 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.800 share with young people and young aspiring athletes. Be very careful, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.920 as you know, Jay, the company that you keep and 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.599 surround yourself with people who are going to lift you 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.960 up and not just try and take from you. And 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.160 it's very easy when you're that age and you're making 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:41.279 a lot of money, A lot. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.679 Of crowd DUTs, Yeah, a lot of crowd duds. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.760 Yes, I like to say, you know, like just it's 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.760 very easy for people to take, take, take, and I 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.680 just made choices and didn't ask questions about supplements that 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.840 were given to me and all the like. I didn't 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.480 ask questions. I just trusted people. But again, to answer 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.400 your initial question, do I think right, like you know, 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.800 I could have won the gold medals and the bronze 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.599 medals and all the success that came my way without 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.320 having been given certain stuff. Yes, all right, And so 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.680 I always like to clear up though, j when we're 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.240 sharing the story, like the facts of it, and that 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.080 is that like in all of it, like, did I 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.160 sit down and take anything like knowingly thinking that that 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.560 was going to make me faster? The answer is no, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.200 besides what I thought was all natural. Right now, My issue, right, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.039 and I like to clear this up for people don't 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.799 know the story or don't remember the story or whatever. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.320 My issue is that I made choices years later to 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.479 lie about what I was given once I found out 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.400 what it was, and I lied to federal investigators, which 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:49.039 is always a no no, right, And because of that, Jake, right, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.599 I accepted my sentence of six months incarceration. But again, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:58.239 like there's no excuses, like I messed up, paid the consequences. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.039 But you know, I like to say, man, do I 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.080 wish I could go back and do things slightly different? Sure, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.120 but I would be right as you Jay, You wouldn't 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.520 be the man that you are today without having gone 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.839 through some shit, and I would not be the woman 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.800 that I am today without the same. And so in 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.760 a way, in a really fed up, odd type of way, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.280 I am grateful for the hiccups. I'm grateful for the 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.919 bumps because one you quickly realized who your true circle is, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.440 right when you have nothing to provide for them, right 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.280 except who you are, Right Like there was a period 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.400 of time where there was no gifts being shared, right, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:45.360 there's no success being had, and the people who were 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.800 through it with me through it all and are with 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.680 mouth like, those are the people you hang on to. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.200 So just I always always like to give that little 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.880 bit of a bit of information, Jack, I love that 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:55.920 because people. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.280 This podcast know I say all the time, I'm most 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:02.400 proud of my scores. Right, so look I'm in the 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.000 TV Hall of Fame. That was the second guy in 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.239 the NFL fight professionally in midst martial art Diana Emmy. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.640 I never talked about them, but I just did right there. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.320 But I never talked about it. I always talk about 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.200 the shit I've overcome, you know, the grind and the 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.160 grind and the grind and the grind in the hours 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.280 of work when people don't see your you know, training 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.720 guys with twelve ruptures on my back and you know, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.000 breaking my nose seven times and my help. The scars 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.680 are that's our equity and we all have them, I mean, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.600 so for you to embrace them, I think it's amazing 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.840 that you do it. What got you to because a 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.880 lot of people resentment, resentful of their scars and their experiences. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.200 What was the pivot for you to go? You know what, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.640 I can either be you know, just curious that this 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.760 all happened. Ark he used to be of service. What 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:46.480 was that pivot for you? 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.040 Yeah, well, I'll tell you there was a brief moment 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.920 and I think we all go through it when you 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.000 just sit in disbelief, you pissed off with yourself. You're 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.840 pissed off, yeah, and then once you get past that point, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.160 you're like, okay, right, Like I also think let me 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.200 tell you, Jay, and I'll answer your question in a moment. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.240 But I also think that you know, you realize that, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.960 oh I do at least that I must have just 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.400 been because I'm a believer, right like, and I think 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.080 that you're not ever given more than what you can handle. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.720 I also think that my background in sport at the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.120 highest level has kind of given me certain tools to 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:29.640 handle stress and to handle hard times. And that's not 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.040 to say that everybody who wasn't an athlete can't, of course, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:34.959 but I think that I have a leg up and 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:40.040 advantage when it comes to that. But right, like, that's 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.520 my life, right, Like I teach my clients now, you 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.240 need to embrace the discomfort, right because that's when the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.400 true growth happens. Right if you're like, oh this hurts. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.319 Or oh this is uncomfortable, okay, But like I get 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:54.840 to that, you get to that moment where you're like, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.640 you know what, how can I use this for the 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.680 good and not just the good to make me better 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.959 or you know, like financially sound, but like how. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.760 Can I use this mess? And we've heard the term 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.560 many times, how can I turn this mess into just 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.640 a message to help people? You're there, Jay, You've been there. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.640 It's what you do, right, Like the hope, the goal 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.800 is that you know only I have to go through 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.880 stuff and not everybody right, people are gonna go right, right? 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.640 How can I turn this mess into just a message 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.520 for people not to have to go through it? 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.560 We go through this pain to help others do theirs. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.840 That is my fuel. I talk fuel now. I'll tell 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.000 you for a few reasons. Jay. One, I'm almost fifty. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.600 I'm aa turn fifty this year. It's crazy, crazy to 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.320 think that, But I'm embarking on a new physical challenge 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.320 which I haven't had since I retired from sport over 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.199 many years ago. And then I'm starting to do some triathlons. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.440 I'm starting to focus on an endurance sport which I 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.199 know nothing about, right, Like my sport of choice was 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.240 quick move here, and so the idea, at the age 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.280 of fifty, I'm going to tackle a sport that I've 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.320 had so much respect for for decades, and endurance fort 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.240 So I mentioned the word fuel because that's all that 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.800 triathletes talk about, making sure you fuel your workouts, making 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.240 sure you fuel your competition. But now like making sure 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.200 that I fuel my community, right, like I give them 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.640 the tools on how to not only hope with their 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.319 shits right, like base it head on and deal with it, 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.640 but like move forward. And when was that necessary moment 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.320 for me when I realized that either they are effed 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.280 over or they make choices to do it to themselves. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.720 It's resonates with everybody. It's not just women, it's not 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.679 just people of color, like whatever, it's everybody. And so 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.719 like this idea that my story which is very personal, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.720 and there's moments even when I sit and I'm like, man, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.839 the amount of people that I think need to hear 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.600 it are hearing it, and they're like, yeasty, stuck in 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.600 our off failure is not forever. Our setbacks And it's 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.199 kind of my mantra now, Jay, like, our setbacks can 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.880 be the catalyst for our biggest comeback in life. Right, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.440 you don't have to stay there. I hate it. I'll 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.080 tell you I hate it when I hear people say, oh, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.439 I don't know way out, like I don't know a 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:24.640 way okay. First is for you to look in the mirror, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.720 right and for you to say yes, like I made 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.839 a mess of this situation. I acknowledge it. You apologize 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.760 you do whatever you gotta do with your people, with 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.160 your family. Let's handle it, like, what are the tools 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:39.400 to get you out of your stuff? 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:39.720 Right? 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.440 And don't stay there? It's huge for me. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.120 So I am the king of self sabotage, and like 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.520 my mental health issues, my depression, anxiety, my bipole or 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.240 everything always tell me I'm not worthy of things. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:53.920 So I will. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.600 Sabotage because the pain of living in question for when 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.880 it's going to end is worse than an ending. I'll 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.440 speed up the end so I know I've done it, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.240 and I've done a ship ton of work on this. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.360 I just got married last year. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.280 I wouldn't have been able to get married to this amazing, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.800 beautiful Rosie Tennis and had I not done this work 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.280 and be able to deal with that. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.920 But I understood why I'm sabotaging. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.120 Have you figured out the why you decided to do 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.520 what you did then, because obviously you said, we have 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.440 some some shit. Was it trusting people? Was it you 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.599 saying no, I don't Is it unworthiness thing? Kind of 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.959 die deep of beer? 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.120 Yeah, Jay, you know, it's a little bit of all 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.959 of that. It's a little bit of this idea. And 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:46.280 again I don't. I am cautious to like, excuse, excuse, excuse, 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.280 I don't. I don't see any of this as that 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.320 I see. These are just me identifying, like just speaking 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:57.400 flax along the way. You know, I am a product 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.600 of an incredible single parent household, right like my mom 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.920 is a is was it will always be a rock star. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.319 She came to this country to create a better life 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.360 for herself and her two kids, my older brother and I. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.040 So I didn't have a father figure in the house. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.920 So when I decided right, I graduated from college, I 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.840 had a lot of success. And again success hit me 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.800 very fast. At the age of twenty one years old. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.559 I was a young student athlete at the University of 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.280 North Carolina, and when I graduated, like success hit me 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.280 like that. In regards to money, in regards to fame, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.920 in regards to man, I'm I'm physically gifted. I'm being 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.640 able to use this for all of this. And I 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.960 find that at that time, right when people are telling 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.080 you how great you are, how great you are marrying 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.640 and patting you on the back, and they become yes people, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.760 you know what I mean? Those are people that are 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.040 gonna say yes to you, no matter what do you 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.520 call them jags? Right, and you start to be like, 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.760 oh this and you distance yourself from the people in 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.720 your life who're going to give it to you straight 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.920 and is probably, you know, success happening so fast me 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.240 was probably the worst thing that could happen as opposed 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:22.240 to it be a slow, hard climb right now, hit 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.200 me so fast? And so because of that, I can 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.840 identify like certain reasons why and and all of that. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.800 Weyler Maren also won the NC double A tournament for 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.040 a North Carolina which is what you has are crazy 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.320 back there? If people what's the difference in euphoria when 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.200 you win an NC double A tournament and win a 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:40.720 gold medal? 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:48.000 Oh, oh, that's a great question. They're both so incredibly satisfying. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.240 The one the gold medal for an individual event is 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.360 special because it's you versus the clock, right, Like, yes, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.080 you have the support of your family and your friends, 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:01.000 but literally it's a lonely, lonely journey to win an 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.160 individual event at the Games, right. I find that the 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.680 more success you get in the life, the lonelier your 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.480 journey has been. But with a team sport and a 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:15.720 national championship, it has created a a sisterhood, right, that 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:21.320 is unbreakable. We celebrated our thirty plus year anniversary, which 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.440 is crazy again to think Jay incredible, Like, if I 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.160 get those thirteen other women next to me right now, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.560 it'll feel like I'm seventeen, eighteen years old. It is 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.840 an incredible moment. Anyways, Yeah, that's that's a special special 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.960 time for me before the chaos and crazy of life began. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.320 So I always like to say that the secret of 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.280 grade this is really the amount of work you put 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.920 them when no one's watching you. I have a wrestling background. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:47.840 Nobody watches us. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.560 We're usually cafeteria somewhere, you know, just filthy, grimy, cutting weights, disgusting, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.360 But that it's maybe why I am. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.200 And you're kind of saying the same a little bit 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.600 same thing about track and fuel. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.360 Tell me about what as to be the best in 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.520 track and feel those hours and the rest of us 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:04.200 don't see. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.080 Well, I'll start sharing this part of the story with 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.320 a little with a little story for you. An example. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.640 So when I was training, I trained it back in 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.760 North Carolina. After I graduated, I stay there for a 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.320 bit and train, and I would get to the track 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.000 right Like again, it's a lonely, lonely at the top 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.760 is lonely, right, and and people who are like, you know, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.360 how do you find success? I'm gonna tell you, a 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.400 are you prepared? Right to me? 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.080 As if no one's willing to get up when you're 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:32.720 getting up and. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.680 All nobody knows the pain, nobody knows restless nights when 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:41.640 those legs can't like relax or your brain or your body. Anyways, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.280 that's that's again a whole other story. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.120 But I like to hear this what we want to hear. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.520 Yeah, I would get to the track every single workout, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.320 every single workout. I would get there early, always before 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.440 everybody else, Like I don't. I mean, there are millions 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.280 of elite athletes who tell you the same, like it's 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.400 just part of who we are. Because I need to 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.040 process it, right, I need to process the setting. I 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.400 need to process like who's gonna show up that day. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.080 I know who's gonna show up, but hey, get in 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.919 that frame of mind. I always like to train early 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.480 so that there's no more distractions in the day. I'm 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.159 not opening mail and sing something. I'm not opening up 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.040 the paper back then and seeing something. Right, there was 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.240 no social media, thankfully, I'm a jeep lover. So I'd 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.960 sit in my jeep and I'd flip down my visor Jay, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.640 and I'd look at myself in that mirror. I'm by myself, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.399 and I'd say, marrying, who's gonna show up today? Is 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.080 anybody in the world going to train better than you? 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.879 Harder than you, faster than you, smarter than you? I 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.960 would flip it down. I'd make my way out to 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.840 the track. Two, three, four hours later, I get back 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.400 in the jeep, open up the visor, and I will 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.960 tell you in this, in the career span of over 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.960 a decade, right, and I'm being honest with you, I 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.639 open up that visor and a no more than a 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.679 handful of five times. Right. I looked at myself and 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:04.040 I was like, nobody today, right, nobody today. Now, I 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.560 don't know why those five times? 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:05.800 Right? 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.160 Like, I'm always kicked myself. It's one of a reason 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.800 I have many sleepless nights like why that one day? 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:16.480 Who showed up? But that's how I am, even with 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.000 what I do, right, Like, I'm always like, how to 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.600 make it bigger? How to impact more people's lives? And 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.520 it is a it is a it is a it's 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.480 a crusher situation. But again, I feel like not everybody 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:33.879 in this life, Jake has been given certain things to 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.880 impact the masses, right, And no I'm not a god. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.919 I'm not here with God complex or any of that. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.719 But we all have our strengths in life, right, and 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.200 it's our responsibility we've been once, we've been handed them 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.399 at birth, to research it, to work on it, to 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:58.200 make it better, to impact more people. And I'm always like, oh, 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.280 did you do it today? Did you did you put 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.800 in the hour today? Even now, No, it's not like 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.200 training at the level that I did before, although now 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.880 it is for a triathlete a little bit, but now 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.880 it's other things. It's impacting the lives of the people 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.719 in my community. We have social media, which has been 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.320 a whole other beast and having to figure out now Jay, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.760 Like we didn't grow up with that shit, right. I 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.000 wish we could go back in time, right and like. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.240 We were around and uninvented. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.080 But then again, for people, I speak with a lot 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.600 of entrepreneurs about like how to be successful in business 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.920 and how to come back from loss, whether it's financial 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.480 or whatever. And I have so many clients who are 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.200 like our age and a little bit older who are 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:48.080 so anti social media. Right, if you're wishing and hoping 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.880 that we're gonna like it's it's gonna be a fad, right, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.280 it's gonna be a thing. Like you you must not 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.800 want your business to throw, right, you better figure that out. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.359 I had to figure that out during COVID. I'm also 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.480 a trainer, like love health. I love fitness, you know, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.080 I love wellness. And I was a trainer for a 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.639 lot number of years. And COVID hit and my background 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.080 and technology, I didn't grow up with the computer in 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.800 my house, right, like we used to have the little 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.400 uh I don't know, the cameras where you would take 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:24.399 to Walgreens and they you know those type and so yeah. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.120 Yeah, yeah, the suzzble ones. Yeah. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.359 I made a decision like this is my I love it, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.439 it's my passion. I want to help people. And you 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.720 mean that something has happened in the world, and I'm 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.240 going to know because I always see things as an opportunity, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.000 Like people can just look at things and be like 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.520 whoe is me? I'm like, nope, how can I make 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.240 this opportunity? Right? And so when COVID hit and I 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.160 couldn't be in person with clients, right, And I'm like, 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.040 you mean I have the idea and the ability now 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.119 to train people from around the world, right, like. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.600 What zoom. 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.800 And and so in the height of Zoom, I was 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.840