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Speaker 1: What does it feel like to be standing out front

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Speaker 1: guarding Lebron teams.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Even describe it, Bro, I'm like, it feels like you

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Speaker 1: like like you're thinking it though you ain't got no word.

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Speaker 3: You just missed.

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Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Ogs. It is a play Maker

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Speaker 6: original presented by Draft Kings.

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Speaker 3: We have a true o g in the building to day,

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Speaker 3: a lot of og matchups for the bill of the days.

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Speaker 7: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is gosh damn it.

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Speaker 6: Uh, two time NBA Champion, three time All Star, two

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't know what all Star is is. I

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Speaker 7: I never made it.

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Speaker 6: But we don't let him tell we got We gonna

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Speaker 6: let him tell us about it, Okay, But we appreciate

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Speaker 6: you coming on D West for real.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, bro, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir all good man.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you'all having hey man D West First and foremost,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you doing this, Bro. I know, like a

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Speaker 5: lot of times when we competed against each other, obviously

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Speaker 5: our for males get in one room, you know what I'm.

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Speaker 7: Saying, and it get crazy.

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Speaker 5: But obviously as a basketball player and not just a

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Speaker 5: basketball player as a man. Always had a lot of

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Speaker 5: respect for you, bro, So appreciate you taking the time.

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Speaker 3: Dog.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, sir, all good, all the nature of the sport.

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Speaker 7: Yes, So let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: We talk about coming out of Xavier eighteenth pick and

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Speaker 5: you go and you have an opportunity early with Chris Paul.

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Speaker 5: Just talk about that and how that kind of molded

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Speaker 5: your career because probably, if not the greatest, one of

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Speaker 7: So let's talk.

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Speaker 5: About earlier in your career just having one of those

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Speaker 5: guys like that gets you the ball position, just making

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I I got drafted to New

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Speaker 7: You can say that again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I knew I was going to

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Speaker 5: You kind of had the game that I was jealous of,

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Speaker 5: just soaking into that because you came in when power

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Speaker 6: I just remember you as a Hornets because one time

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Speaker 2: The powerful Oh my god, was a problem.

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Speaker 1: Like them, dudes could go, they could know you d

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Speaker 1: you were one of those guys that could guard the position,

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Speaker 5: you every time to the coach take you out, you

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Speaker 5: got to prove you can stop it. Yes, so literally

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Speaker 5: I competed so hard because I knew if I didn't

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Speaker 3: I still don't explainby it threw me in the stance

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Speaker 3: and so damn hard. All I remember is all I remember.

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Speaker 2: I think I got suspended for that.

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Speaker 6: All I remember in the back of my head still

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Speaker 2: You hit me in the back of my head.

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Speaker 3: I probably chief shot you.

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Speaker 1: You hit me in the back of my head, and

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Speaker 2: Like kind of. I was like, yo, man, did you

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Speaker 7: We used to just look at him, do with you

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Speaker 1: Those series, man, it was like you know, there were

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Speaker 2: Their numbers were insane that it was like something stupid.

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Speaker 5: So all we had to do was just defend and

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Speaker 5: They're gonna go to the level they're gonna go to,

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Speaker 5: and they're gonna leave your ass at the fifth floor

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Speaker 5: it was nothing that I was knocking against the Wade

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Speaker 5: more calculated, you know what I'm saying, but I'm happy

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Speaker 5: you brought that. You brought that up, because they literally

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Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't really when somebody talks about

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Speaker 6: You know, it's amazing what he's doing now at forty

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Speaker 3: I cannot not go with Rory McElroy.

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Speaker 7: I'm just gonna ask a question.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's one.

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Speaker 7: So is this PJ live?

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Speaker 2: This PG?

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Speaker 3: This is a major PG.

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Speaker 7: I can go. I can compete you just live.

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Speaker 3: I'm stay at it.

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Speaker 7: If it's live, I could with it.

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Speaker 3: Who you got the shambo?

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go Justin.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I love j T. You know JT.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go Justin.

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Speaker 3: I like j T too. No, that's good, that's good.

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Speaker 3: You're making a lot of money.

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Speaker 7: I'm going Brooks.

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Speaker 3: You're going Brooks.

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Speaker 7: I'm going Brooks when he got a house like in

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Speaker 7: like West Palm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Brooks.

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Speaker 5: Brooks and Brooks os are eighteen hundred. So if you

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Speaker 7: Real cool with Cal. I heard a lot about you

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Speaker 7: through Cal Brooks.

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Speaker 3: I'm just with Justice and Jupiter. I believe Nashville and Jupiter.

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Speaker 7: Yeah I know, but oh they got the same odds.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 7: So this strictly our preference.

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Speaker 3: Who you like? Can we parlay here? That's the question.

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Speaker 7: Can we go?

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Speaker 3: Can we can?

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Speaker 2: We?

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Speaker 3: Can we go? Can we go to the We should

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Speaker 3: do like the wind place and with like the horse race.

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Speaker 6: I'm going I do like Bryce and to Shamba in

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Speaker 6: this too. I got to I got two picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I can't go.

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Speaker 7: I'm going Justin and Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Rory, Rory.

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Speaker 6: The only concern I have about Rory is the man, just

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Speaker 6: the man. You just one amazing You got the career grands.

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Speaker 7: But but what would you do if you know?

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Speaker 3: I would I put the foot.

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Speaker 7: The gas, put the gas, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Belt the ass Belt, the gas Belt. They got all

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Speaker 3: kinds of things happening. So yeah, I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Gonna go Rory and Brooks. I'm trying to make a

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Speaker 7: little bread.

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Speaker 6: You got Rory Brooks, I got Rory, I got, I

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Speaker 6: got Rory Bryson, de Shamba, Rory Bryce and Draft Kings

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Speaker 7: So I know.

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Speaker 5: I know we talked about Indiana, and we're talking a

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Speaker 5: lot about Indiana, But I really want to touch on

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Speaker 5: some of the ogs because you had a chance to

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Speaker 5: play with Steve Smith, had a chance to play with PJ.

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Speaker 3: Brown.

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Speaker 5: These are some of the OG's that I still today

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Speaker 5: have conversations with, picked their brain and respect a lot

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Speaker 5: about them. Just the impact that they were able to

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Speaker 5: have on you. You know what I'm saying is is

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Speaker 5: you could talk about it, but I know what they've

548
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Speaker 5: been able to do for me. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: just the mental part and the approach of the game.

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Speaker 5: But just talk about Smitty Man and PJ and what

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Speaker 5: they meant to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, like I said, Man, I came in, I was

554
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Speaker 1: on the oldest team in the league.

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Speaker 2: Bro I had literally you know, you mentioned Smitty.

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Speaker 7: And Peace, but I had Stacy a plastic man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, hey, before you before you go on though.

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Speaker 6: Track the trailer, I think what you said. They're so

559
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Speaker 6: important though for these kids. They're coming in there and

560
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Speaker 6: we came in. You came in as one rookie, and

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Speaker 6: you have thirty year old men as your freaking locker roommates.

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Speaker 6: Right now you're coming in. These guys are coming in

563
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Speaker 6: with three rookies and the guy next year is twenty one.

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Speaker 6: So you're the rest of the college. Because that's the

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Speaker 6: same thing I had Patrick Ewing, Horace Grant, Grant Hill

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Speaker 6: like I had Real Do, Darryl Armstrong like real o

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Speaker 6: gs Mony Williams, right, Like, I like that talk about

568
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Speaker 6: that because that's that's so different coming in the league

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Speaker 6: that way than it is now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they you know, they were beyond all them too.

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Speaker 1: So they were like no nonsense, like, young fella, if

572
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Speaker 1: you want to if you want to play ten plus years,

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Speaker 1: do this. And they all thirteen twelve, you know, ten

574
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Speaker 1: eleven twelve, They all deep into it, so you know,

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Speaker 1: it was like, all right, I'm gonna do it. So

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Speaker 1: they would tell me stuff like Stacey Alwin's the one

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Speaker 1: that got me sitting down on the end of the bench.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, because he says a lot of politics

579
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Speaker 1: and chatter going on up there. You need to sit

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Speaker 1: down here, Steven learn And I would sit down there,

581
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Speaker 1: especially my rookie year when I wasn't playing a whole lot,

582
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Speaker 1: I'd be sitting down listening to them conversate about the game,

583
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Speaker 1: you know, them telling me, yo, man, a lot of

584
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Speaker 1: these dudes ain't gonna dunk the ball early on in

585
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Speaker 1: the game, young fellas, So you should challenge shots when

586
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Speaker 1: you get in there early. Challenge shots early in the

587
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Speaker 1: game because some of these boys ain't warmed up yet.

588
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Speaker 2: And he used to give me little gems like that,

589
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like, you know, we I would watch them prepare and

591
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Speaker 1: then watch them towards the end of their career still

592
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Speaker 1: be you know, still have nights where they could just

593
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Speaker 1: catch fire, like Smitty could get going, you know, even.

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Speaker 2: You know his last thing that was his last year playing.

595
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Speaker 2: I mean, Smitty could get going.

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Speaker 1: You know, we watched you know, George Lynch and rebounding

597
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Speaker 1: and taking care of his body, and you know, PJ

598
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Speaker 1: just kind of being a consummate professional, like the steady

599
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Speaker 1: one in the locker room, which I probably learned the

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Speaker 1: most repeat because it's just about coming to work every day.

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Speaker 1: He's like, man, you can get caught up in the

602
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Speaker 1: other stuff, but like, but the basis is to come

603
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Speaker 1: in here, you know work, you know, respect what you do,

604
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Speaker 1: so others can respect what you do and just handle

605
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Speaker 1: your business. You know, he was very open. He's like,

606
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Speaker 1: you know, you're here to replace me West. He's like,

607
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Speaker 1: it may not be this year, but you know that's

608
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Speaker 1: what you're here for. So you got I got to

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Speaker 1: make sure you're.

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Speaker 2: Ready for that.

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Speaker 7: Man, that's a real og practice.

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Speaker 2: So he just showed me everything.

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Speaker 1: Man, showed me how to stay in the league, and

614
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Speaker 1: you'll show me how to how to handle myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy you brought that up about sitting at the

616
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Speaker 5: end of the bench, and I get it. You know,

617
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Speaker 5: a lot of times coaches want the young players to

618
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Speaker 5: the front and they want to talk to him and

619
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Speaker 5: they want to be in their ear. But I've always

620
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Speaker 5: liked to sit at the end of the bench, so

621
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Speaker 5: I can see everything. I don't want to be frightmizing

622
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Speaker 5: with the coach, but I also want to have conversations

623
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Speaker 5: with all of my guys about what's going on on

624
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Speaker 5: the court, right, So I always took that end of

625
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Speaker 5: the bench spot. So if I had anything to say,

626
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Speaker 5: I just looked down that line or walk and say

627
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Speaker 5: what I gotta say and go back with all that

628
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Speaker 5: sitting up there with the coach and all that thing,

629
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Speaker 5: that politics, I ain't doing all that, man. And we

630
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Speaker 5: also watching who sit by the coach too?

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Speaker 2: You?

632
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Speaker 5: But you, it's the one we got to keep eye on. You,

633
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Speaker 5: the one wearing a wire.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sitting up there by the coach all the goddamn time.

635
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Speaker 3: You was wearing a wire. No, I wasn't you wire

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Speaker 3: you got.

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Speaker 5: I was a fan, You were a fan, you were

638
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Speaker 5: and you got and you got my boy, young bird man?

639
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Speaker 7: How was that? How was young bird?

640
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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, let me let me tell you something, man.

641
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Speaker 3: That sounds like the same bird.

642
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Speaker 6: We got you you got, We got the same bird

643
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Speaker 6: you got that.

644
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But but see we had bird man. Bird was

645
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Speaker 2: bird was going through it.

646
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Speaker 1: Man, you know, shout out to bird and he just

647
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Speaker 1: he was his authentic self man. So he you know,

648
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: he had to learn a lesson obviously, but like man,

649
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Speaker 1: Bird would was wide open. He being Bird's the only god.

650
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I swear to God, it's a true story. We'd be

651
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Speaker 1: doing three man. We and you know in some in

652
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Speaker 1: some you ever been in the gym where the scores

653
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Speaker 1: table is out but the bleachers are back, so the

654
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: space behind the scores table, you know what.

655
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about.

656
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Speaker 1: Yo, Bird used to run behind the scores table when

657
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Speaker 1: we're running three man. We like just to show like

658
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, he was, he was flying high, he was

659
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Speaker 1: in better shape.

660
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Speaker 2: Thing. Everybody, this dude would be booking it.

661
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about going were like all right Bird, all right,

662
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Speaker 1: Like he would just be out there teach. Were in Oklahoma.

663
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Bird is wearing white beaters. He's getting tatted up. But

664
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: he in Oklahoma. It's ten degrees outside.

665
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, I mean.

666
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: I mean he was wide open with us, bro He

667
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: was wide open.

668
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: So he was a little he was a little bit

669
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: more calm when he was mixed with you guys.

670
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: I tell you what, he was a little calld with us.

671
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Was wild. He's a wild boar.

672
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 7: Got that couple of.

673
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: Mud a couple of mud. That man had seven cups

674
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: of coffee for the game, called a.

675
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: Couple of sevent team seven, every team, every every time

676
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: you walk in.

677
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 6: And he's a cold ass hockey Paul George duncked on

678
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 6: his ass so nasty in the playoffs, remember.

679
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 7: Hey, man, why are you gonna bring that up?

680
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: Bird man?

681
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 5: I think that I think that's when they took game one.

682
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: Did they take game one to Miami? Y'all take game

683
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: one to Miami?

684
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: Right?

685
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 7: Oh, y'all took game two?

686
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: I think it was game two.

687
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 7: That's when they don't they took game to of Miami. Yeah,

688
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 7: I ain't gonna tell you.

689
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: I know how y'all felt on y'all side, But on

690
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 5: our side, we was a little we can say it now,

691
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 5: we was a little shaky.

692
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 7: It was a house of cars, was a house.

693
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: All we hope for like we could put the pressure on,

694
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, to try to sleep on for real.

695
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 6: That whole that whole East though, man, I'm telling you,

696
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 6: like you guys, Boston, Chicago, it was all physical brands

697
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 6: of basketball. I mean it was it was a gosh

698
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 6: damn that was tough.

699
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: It was a different and you know, it was just Uh,

700
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: it was very It was a very thin line like

701
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: between we had this week, experience this in the West

702
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and then it happened while I was in the East.

703
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: But like in the West, one year we had I mean,

704
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: everybody won fifty.

705
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: Plus fifty games like an.

706
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, so you know, we had been used to

707
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: like them kind of tight playoff battles. But in the

708
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: East we were we were thinking the same thing, like

709
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, the divisional games for us meant a lot,

710
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, fighting with with Chicago, you know, obviously, trying

711
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: to keep pace with because the Knicks, the Knicks were mellow,

712
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: and then they had built a tough group too, So

713
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: trying to stand in the hunt for one of those

714
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: top one or two or three spots in the East,

715
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, so we could be positioned to potentially make

716
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: a deep run was all that we had on our

717
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: on our focus. And then when we realized like okay,

718
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: you know we weren't because we kind of gave ourselves

719
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: like some measuring sticks, you know, how we how we

720
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: fared against the best teams, how many teams we could

721
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: beat in the West, and how many of those you know,

722
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: how it is you go on those road trips and

723
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: you you win five or six games out West, You're like, okay,

724
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: we we we we might be onto something. So we

725
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: did that early on and then the confidence grew from

726
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: there for for us as a group.

727
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: Talk to us about Golden State. So you go up

728
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: and play Golden State.

729
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

730
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: So now the Warriors, Man, the Warriors was a great

731
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: experience for me. Right obviously won championships. And I'll tell you, man,

732
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: like this real this real, Like I went. There would

733
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: be a moment every one of those series, bro where

734
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: I would be standing on the free throw line and

735
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, we lost it three years in a row.

736
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: And I'd be standing on that free throw line looking

737
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: at facing Miami's bench, and I would always make eye

738
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: contact with James Jones.

739
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: He would have this smirk on his face that.

740
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: Would be like the tried, but you didn't that.

741
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: That smirk used to drive me crazy.

742
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: And so when I when I got the Golden State,

743
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, this is this is it? Like you

744
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: you feel this this level of like you know, you

745
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: know you've got the group to win it, you know

746
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not like it was in Indiana

747
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: where we're like, you know, we got a lot of

748
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: things have to go right. With the Warriors, it was like,

749
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: we just can't this up, like we gotta be you know,

750
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: people don't realize like that environment. You know, obviously when

751
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I was in Indiana, we had an environment like this,

752
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: but that winning environment, it's it. There's no there's no letdown.

753
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: So every single day, you know, foot is on the gas,

754
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: every shoot around, every video session, every weight room session,

755
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: every practice, every every every city that we go into.

756
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: There's like this seriousness that you carry yourself with because

757
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you've got this really really high expectation of yourself. So

758
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, we were able to put it together like

759
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: and that a lot of people's love the team with

760
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: super talented.

761
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: It was, but y'all been in the NBA locker rooms.

762
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: The ego is crazy, and so being able to have

763
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: keep everybody's ego and check and everybody kind of get

764
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: on the same page, have this kind of you know,

765
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: professionalism and this continuity that was that would all but

766
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: ensure we're gonna give ourselves the best shot to win it.

767
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: So having having gone through that experience twice was great.

768
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: You know, being able to learn and watch watch these

769
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: guys preparing, but really watch the championship level of preparation

770
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: from the coaches and all that stuff.

771
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: It was really a good learning experience for me. You

772
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

773
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I've been coaching AAU for like twenty plus years now, man,

774
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: so I really like, you know, working with young people.

775
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: So I was able to use a lot of that

776
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: and like, you know, develop my own style and back,

777
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, coaching style, basketball philosophy. I got all that

778
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: my last five six, seven years in the NBA. That's

779
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: what it became about for me. It was really just

780
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: becoming a basketball guy, learning as much as I could,

781
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: retaining as much as i could, taking notes, keeping scout, wokports,

782
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: all that, just so I could have this knowledge base

783
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: for basketball that I use when when I'm coaching young people.

784
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, it sounds like they have a culture,

785
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: and I'm always interested because I know if you're winning

786
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 5: a team that wins consistently, there is a culture. I

787
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 5: only know what the Miami Heat culture is. I've only

788
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 5: been around that, but you know from Afar, Golden State

789
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: has a culture, you know what I'm saying, And it

790
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: could be different, but I'm happy you touched on that

791
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 5: because the success that they have and the things they

792
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 5: speak on Steph. You got a chance to be around Steph.

793
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: You got a chance to be around KD. These guys

794
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: are not great just by accident. They ain't just throwing

795
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: the wall to see if it sticked.

796
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Man.

797
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: Just talk about the work ethic, you know what I'm saying,

798
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: and the professionalism that those two guys have. And do

799
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: you think that KD got a little bit too much

800
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: of us, you know, flat for you know, coming to

801
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: Golden State the.

802
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: Right Well, I'll say this, man, like the first time

803
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: I saw Steph work out, you know, and I usually

804
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: try to see what guys are doing and try to say, hey, man,

805
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I can tell this to a young kids, see if

806
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: you can do it. None of the kids, none of

807
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: that was applicable level that he puts itself through. You

808
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: couldn't ask no kid to do that, you know what

809
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you couldn't that. I mean, it's just

810
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I like? Just the the the

811
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of makes you gotta you know what I'm saying,

812
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Like the dunkers like you gotta make twenty five straight

813
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: and they all.

814
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: Got to be I'm like, damn.

815
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: But like you know, how long it would take somebody

816
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: to do this stuff that he's doing in a minute

817
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: two minutes, you know, hitting fifty straight threes and then

818
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: moving and all this other type like it's it's banana.

819
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: So it was.

820
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's no secret why he's the way he is, right,

821
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: he just works at that level, just like all of

822
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: those guys, all the great guys have that level of

823
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: work ethic that you know a lot of us are

824
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: like them. You just you get to a point where

825
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I can't do that, and that's just

826
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: passed the limits of my you know who I am, Like,

827
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: I just can't you know, you literally can't do some

828
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: of the stuff that some of these guys do. The

829
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: four am workouts, you know, then you know you're just

830
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: getting the reps and the type of reps and the

831
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: shooting proficiency, oh, I mean all of that stuff. So

832
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: seeing all of that kind of locked in and then

833
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: you know they never took days off like they were

834
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: in the gym's play stuff in the gym all the time, KD.

835
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, like this is why, like this

836
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: is why they shoot the ball like this, this is

837
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: why they can bang off, you know, the first time

838
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I was in there with KDI.

839
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: I remember this.

840
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: The first time we looked at the stat sheet and

841
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: both them up it shot like thirteen fourteen threes a piece,

842
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: And we looked at this.

843
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: I said, I mean, like, you know what I'm saying.

844
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, but you can't question it.

845
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because they literally getting five

846
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: six hundred makes after shoot around, and then three four

847
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: hundred makes before the game, and then six hundred makes

848
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: after practice before like just constantly comes in. So it's

849
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: so you're like, all right, well, bet some games we're

850
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna shoot eighteen threes. You know where I'm looking at it, Like,

851
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: man in Indiana, eighteen threes is like three games work.

852
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: When I was in New Orleans, we look at Pay.

853
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: He just shot like four or five threes. He was like,

854
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: damn Pays, it was jacking today, Bro, Like this five

855
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: or six threes.

856
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: Bro.

857
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, today he's got to

858
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: shoot that in the first quarter.

859
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah.

860
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 6: Extendo, I haven't I haven't been around a step to

861
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 6: see his work, but obviously you see it at levels

862
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: I've been around KD in the summertime, I think the

863
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 6: most important thing for any young player is to see

864
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 6: those guys work and actually getting work outs to those

865
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 6: guys because it's an eye opening like you're saying, like

866
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 6: I watched KD. He's year sixteen seventeen. I was with

867
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 6: him last summer. I brought Polo out there to work

868
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 6: with him. It's like, Yo, see every rep, every rep's

869
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 6: a game rep, and it's the same thing every day.

870
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 6: The dude's a hoop junkie like that dude is just

871
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: a basketball savant, like he loves it.

872
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: But that's why he scored so easy. He's he just

873
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: score I've ever seen. I love. I love the way

874
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: he plays.

875
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 5: Right, You had some time spending San Antonio with Pop,

876
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 5: and Pop is always so fascinating to me because before

877
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 5: I signed with him, he the San Antonio Spurs was

878
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 5: actually the first team to offer me a contract. They

879
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: offered me a one year deal, and he came back

880
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 5: and offered me a two year deal. So obviously I

881
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 5: took the longer deal in side of Miami, but I

882
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: was excited when Pop was the first one to sign me,

883
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: and I was excited for the opportunity to play for Pop.

884
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. Never got that chance.

885
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: But just tell me how was that playing for Pop

886
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: his basketball mind?

887
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 7: How he owes you accountable?

888
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: You know, is anything you was able to learn from

889
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 5: Pop that you can use now?

890
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?

891
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: I mean that year was like going to basketball college, man,

892
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Like you know that training camp it was. It was

893
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: they had you know a lot of the fire coaches

894
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: were there during that training camp and they would just

895
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: sit and watch practice take notes. It's like I remember

896
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: Tims was down there and Negro was down there, you know,

897
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: like the guys who were kind of in between you know,

898
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: jobs or whatever's coaches. So it's literally like basketball. It

899
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: was like basketball school in there.

900
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: Bro.

901
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: They got white boards everywhere and instructions and this regimen

902
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, doing stuff and so and then a lot

903
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: of drill work station work, like very very a very

904
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: rigid structure. But it was great. It was great basketball, uh,

905
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: and a great opportunity to play. You know, I was

906
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: a Spurs fan when I was younger, Tim Duncans fan,

907
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: David Robinson fan. So the opportunity to go play, you know,

908
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: being that environment for you at that point in my

909
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: career where I was just trying to have great experience

910
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: and and play some good basketball. You know, it was good,

911
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: and then you know when you're you know, you're competing

912
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: against that machine for all these years, and I was

913
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: competing against them for years. Uh, just getting inside the

914
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: machine and seeing how well it was operated and really

915
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: what made it tick. Man was like damn, you know,

916
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: and obviously realized that the players made it go. It

917
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: was they had three you know, all time greats and

918
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: TV and UH and Tony and Manu. So with those

919
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: three buying in and they gave them like the engine

920
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: to just you know, plug and play for like five

921
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: championships and so they were just a dominant force, you know,

922
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: so we it was something I wanted the experience and

923
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: definitely a great learning experience.

924
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: He said, it was like basketball school.

925
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 5: It doesn't trust me. Bro was so excited. Yeah, but

926
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: the opportunity to Sidney too, to play for Pop my

927
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 5: first year. Yeah, literally, that's all I wanted to do

928
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 5: is soak up all the game I could.

929
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 6: When you said that, it reminded me of when I

930
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 6: played in Memphis with Hube Brown. That's how I felt

931
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 6: with Hubee. I felt like basketball school. And the reason

932
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 6: it sounded like that was because the structure, the basically

933
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: the set up all the coaches came because you in

934
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 6: thirty minutes you learn more about the basketball game than

935
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 6: most people forget, you know, I mean like that's that's

936
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: how they are.

937
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: They're just their.

938
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 6: Geniuses when it comes to basketball and organization of it,

939
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 6: and they get the players to do what they tell

940
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 6: them to do.

941
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 5: So you say, you've been coaching at AAU circuit man,

942
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: talking the road, you're one of those guys that, like,

943
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 5: you know, we don't hear much about you, you know

944
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. But obviously we know what you're doing.

945
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 5: Sunday tells me what you're doing, and I hear about it.

946
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 5: But overall, you know what I'm saying, people don't hear.

947
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 5: So just talk about what you're doing now on the

948
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: impact that you have with.

949
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: The youth man.

950
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: So, uh, you know, I played for Going to Road

951
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: when I first moved to North Carolina back in ninety six.

952
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 5: Say it again, Keyler, because you said what you said,

953
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: got road.

954
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: Gotta Road.

955
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 7: I know what you know about it too.

956
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so the agent, So the agent know about

957
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 5: it too, must be pretty good, dad, dus.

958
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: It's a special place man, And I played there and

959
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: then when you know, my brother got in the leadership

960
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, and that was right when

961
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I when I would come back home in the summer

962
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: from college, I would always go play there and pick

963
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: up on Saturdays and Sundays. So when my brother got

964
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: into the leadership, it was only natural, like I started

965
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: tagging along with him. And the crazy thing is like

966
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I started meeting kids that were in the NBA, right, So,

967
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: like Kyle Anderson is the first kid I remember meeting.

968
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: Ask Kyle, He'll tell he was nine years old and

969
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: I saw.

970
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, which Cale Anderson? We talk about Sloo.

971
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 7: It was nine years old.

972
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: I met Slo moo he yes in Coco Beach, Florida,

973
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: I believe, and in the trip because was in uh

974
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: and San Antonio that one year and he was like, yo,

975
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: you remember that.

976
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I remember that. And I saw

977
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: him grow up.

978
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of kids because I was actually

979
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I was just fascinated going to the games.

980
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: It was a great way to like learn the game,

981
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: see the game in a different way.

982
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: And like, you know, my nephew was playing my brother's coaching,

983
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: Like I started developing relationships with you know, some of

984
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: the kids. I'm like, yo, like, you really got a shot.

985
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: So I would just start working with him. My brother

986
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: started letting me work the practice is, so I'm literally

987
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: getting drills from the NBA and coming here and working

988
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: with the kids.

989
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: And then I met TJ.

990
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: Warren at like eleven, and then I was like, oh, nah,

991
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: this kid got a shot. So I started just like,

992
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, working with that group a lot. And there

993
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: were other kids in the program that I just you know,

994
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: wanted to pour into. So you know, we got a

995
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: really good, strong legacy.

996
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: You know that.

997
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: It's like our thirty fifth year of being around was

998
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: founded in nineteen ninety, you know, so you know we've

999
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: been we've been at the Helm here now some almost

1000
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: twenty something years now. So it's been a really really

1001
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: positive experience. You know what I'm saying. It's just a

1002
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: way for me to stay connected with with young people.

1003
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: I love. I love coaching and working with young people.

1004
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: Partly is you know, when I was in college, coach

1005
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: process he used to make us work his basketball caad

1006
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: so he would be like, yo, y'all got to learn

1007
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: how to how to coach, how to run practice, how

1008
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: to you know, run plays.

1009
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: So he really held us accountable in the summer with that.

1010
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: So that's where I developed it, and I've just been

1011
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I've just been locked in ever since. It's a great

1012
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: way to stay around the game, stay active in the

1013
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: gym with the kids, you know, and just again pour

1014
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: out what I what I've learned over these years, and

1015
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: try to help him get better and improved.

1016
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 6: Just so you know, I haven't watched his AU program

1017
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 6: playing a couple of years, but they played just like

1018
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 6: you think they would if there from him.

1019
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, they got that. They got that.

1020
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 7: I like that.

1021
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 5: It's crazy because when you said Kyle Anderson, I had

1022
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 5: to make sure we was talking about the same cale

1023
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 5: because I thought all this was the same age.

1024
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: Coles move like.

1025
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 7: I thought that the same age college. No, he's a

1026
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 7: good dude too, man.

1027
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 5: He's with the Heat right now, and since he's been

1028
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: traded to the Miami Heat, I could tell just his

1029
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 5: impact that he's had on the team, not just on

1030
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: the court, but off the court as well with his

1031
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: leadership and just being a good guy in the locker room.

1032
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 7: And he's one of those guys.

1033
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: Do you mind if we fire a couple of fan

1034
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: questions at you?

1035
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up all right?

1036
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: At Heat? Muse favorite memory during the Heat Pacers rivalry.

1037
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: So I would say probably the highest moment was, uh

1038
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: when we felt that desperation. So that was when I

1039
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: saw when I saw d Wade yelling that yelling bad.

1040
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: They have to be separated. That was probably the highlight

1041
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: of that that whole series because I was like, nah,

1042
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: we got them, like we got to him, you know,

1043
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes and he dealing with a great you know

1044
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: that that that Miami Heat organization, but then those players

1045
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: all of that, that was like a great moment, you

1046
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean in basketball history. So to be

1047
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: able to you know, have you know, ruptured that a

1048
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: little bit, put a little bit of doubt in there.

1049
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: It was a great feeling for us. We were really

1050
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we were like and it probably we

1051
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: probably got too high from it, you know what I

1052
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we were like, oh, nah, we ain't

1053
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: never seen this, We never seen them like this. And

1054
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: then it was like dope, just thought.

1055
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 5: Hey, let me ask you this, dus, what the hell

1056
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 5: did Mario do to you?

1057
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 7: What the hell was good? What the hell was Mario?

1058
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 5: Because I know he did something I ain't know what

1059
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 5: he did, but I know he did something because Mario

1060
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 5: always doing something right.

1061
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: So what's crazy is like the crazy thing about the NBA.

1062
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: At least the way we played was like because we

1063
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: were on ball screening team, so I had this you.

1064
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: Know, we had we played.

1065
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: We did a lot of pick and roll Indiana, a

1066
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: lot of pick and roll in in New Orleans. So

1067
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: you developed this relationship with the guards, right like you

1068
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: know you're gonna hit these and pop these dudes and

1069
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: give them shots.

1070
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: So Mario was one of them dudes. He would wait

1071
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: to get his lick back.

1072
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 7: I know Mario did something.

1073
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: He'll wait till your back is turn not looking at like, yo,

1074
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: what's up? Like, and it's whatever happened might have been

1075
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: three or four plays ago. So it was just one

1076
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: of the things where he just he was getting his

1077
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: link back and I'm like, nah, bro, you tripping like

1078
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to.

1079
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 7: I knew, I know he did something, bro.

1080
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: He was He was a competitor though, man, like you know,

1081
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I respect him because he competed, but he was one

1082
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: of the guys like a well, if you're gonna scream me,

1083
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through my elbow on my knee or something.

1084
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna figure out something.

1085
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 7: I know he did something, bro, I know he did something.

1086
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 5: I never know what he did, but I know he

1087
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: because he always doing does we called him reckless real,

1088
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: we call him reckless reel.

1089
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1090
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 6: Right, Uh, this is a question for basically both of

1091
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 6: you guys at BIS game, Maine. Is it devastating to

1092
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 6: see the mid range game become somewhat extinct in the

1093
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 6: days that being, considering you guys were so effective at it.

1094
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 5: Man asked both y'all this question. I go first, Hell, yeah,

1095
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 5: that's ended my career. Listen, d West, let me tell

1096
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 5: you something I had about.

1097
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: Hold On and his career played twenty seven years years.

1098
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 7: I ain't gonna say, I ain't gonna say ended.

1099
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: But that's the reason why, like I stopped playing as

1100
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: much early, because everybody wanted the threes in the mid range.

1101
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: Like that's that literally, Like I went from playing to

1102
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: like sitting on the bits because I didn't shoot threes

1103
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 5: just that fast, like a flicker with switch right, So yeah,

1104
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 5: it bothered me. And I was also one of those

1105
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 5: guys where if I wasn't hitting mid range, I damn

1106
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: sure wasn't a live threat. I mean, I catch a few,

1107
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 5: but I ain't you know, I ain't no roll to

1108
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 5: the lob big every time, you know what I'm saying.

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00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 7: It really it really impacted my game. I don't know

1110
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: d West could speak on it.

1111
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know, I like the I don't

1112
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: like the fact that it's off the table because it's.

1113
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: A weapon, and like why using that, you know what

1114
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Hi, killing these dudes.

1115
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 7: At death getting to a spot, popping the head, got

1116
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 7: way to guard it.

1117
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: But like if you can shoot those shots and you

1118
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: practice making those shots, they're effective, you know what I mean,

1119
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: Like they're a weapon, legit weapon. Now again, it's like

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00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: I look at it like this, like MJ shot mid

1121
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: range joints.

1122
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: You know, Kobe shot mid range shots, KD.

1123
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean even Dirt, Like Dirt didn't shoot that many threes,

1124
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, was Dirt did not live in a world

1125
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: where he was shooting nine, ten, eleven threes a game.

1126
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: Burt was killing you from the mid range and the

1127
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: mid range drives and the baseline attacks, right, So like

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00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: some of the greatest players and the greatest scores using

1129
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: mid range. So I mean, I hate it because it

1130
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: takes away a viable skill set and the vibal point

1131
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: of attack for a lot of guys. So again, if

1132
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: you're not able to shoot threes and half to like

1133
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: literally eighty percent of these dudes they shoot threes, should

1134
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: not be shooting. Every NBA game you watch, you hear

1135
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: somebody say he's shooting twenty three percent from the three

1136
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: point line. Well, why the hell is he still shooting threes?

1137
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So it's like you hear that,

1138
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's just like, even though it's a numbers thing,

1139
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: it's not a field thing. And I think the mid

1140
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: range is a field thing, right, Like you get to

1141
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: your spot and shoot the ball, right like it's a field.

1142
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: You gotta have a basketball field when the when to

1143
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: stop there or get to the rim, or get to

1144
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: the rim and move. So I don't like the fact

1145
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: that they're taking it away. I just I find it

1146
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: comical that, you know, some analytics dude could have to

1147
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: the power to tell a guy who can make those

1148
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: shots not to shoot.

1149
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 3: You know what, analytics? You know?

1150
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 6: You know, the thing is that I find the humor.

1151
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 6: You watch an NBA playoff game, the last four minutes,

1152
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 6: there's gonna be a lot of mid range shots.

1153
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 7: That's the thing. That's what I don't agree.

1154
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 6: All that thrown away, and it comes down to Katie

1155
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 6: getting to his spot, Kawhi getting to his spot, and

1156
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 6: Polo getting to his spot, Tatum getting to his spot.

1157
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: Like at the end of the day, all.

1158
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 6: The analytics goes away, as we're gonna win this game,

1159
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 6: and it's the last four minutes of every NBA playoff game.

1160
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 6: You see it. It's gonna be an elbow jumper. It's

1161
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 6: gonna be a logo jumper.

1162
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 5: For forty five minutes. For forty five minutes, we want

1163
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 5: dunks in threes, and in the last three minutes take

1164
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 5: whatever buckets you because it's like you said, it's the

1165
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 5: most it's the ass backwards.

1166
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 6: But it's like what he said, though, at the last

1167
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 6: four minutes of the game, you don't want a twenty

1168
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 6: three percent dude shooting that three to win a game

1169
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 6: for you and God and God forbid that guy who

1170
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 6: shoots twenty three percent doesn't want to shoot it either.

1171
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 5: And it also goes back to what he said about

1172
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: habits Steph Clay. They're shooting four hundred, five hundred, six hundred,

1173
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 5: they have the habits you must show up seven thirty

1174
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: with no habits and start fine up. It don't make

1175
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 5: no sense, But I agree with you day du wes Man.

1176
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 5: It ain't just because personally it impacted my game, but

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Speaker 5: just the overall game of basketball.

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00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 7: It's still.

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: It's still there though.

1180
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 6: It really is because, like I'm telling you, when it

1181
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 6: comes down to winning time, it's it's it's analyza're out,

1182
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 6: It's how do I get a bucket? How do you

1183
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 6: get the foul line? It's gonna be free throw line down.

1184
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 7: It's I mean, let's just call it analytics what they are.

1185
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 5: We're gonna use this as a scapegoat not to pay

1186
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 5: or play certain people.

1187
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 7: That's what you're gonna use the analytics for.

1188
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 5: We're gonna use this as an escapegoat not to pay

1189
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 5: or play certain people.

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00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: I wish that had analytics what I was coming through,

1191
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: they definitely had.

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 6: He even said that Me and right, Me and Ray

1193
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 6: used to laugh at all the time, like you saw

1194
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 6: that the level.

1195
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: Of game go and change.

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 6: Like when we first came through the league, if you

1197
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 6: didn't shoot forty percent from three, you didn't shoot yo. Yeah,

1198
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 6: Like we we go into it, we go into a

1199
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 6: called guy a red dude like a hot guy shooting

1200
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 6: thirty two percent, but he shoots nine a game. You're like,

1201
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 6: that's not a hot guy, right, that's a guy whohould

1202
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 6: get off the rock?

1203
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: Guy?

1204
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: Right right, right right, like we're running.

1205
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 6: We're running this guy off like nine one one, Like

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00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 6: what But when you look at the analyts except it

1207
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 6: and and Huey Brown was before his time on this part.

1208
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 6: Like if you shoot thirty three from three, it's like

1209
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 6: shooting fishing from the field. So he'd break that down,

1210
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 6: but it's still didn't make any sense while you.

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: Shoot twelve of them, right right.

1212
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 6: I mean I wish I had shot twelve of them.

1213
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 6: Hosts at that sounds like all the question of same,

1214
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 6: mister West, as a Pacers fan, what was the missing

1215
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 6: piece that would have helped y'all get past the heat

1216
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 6: those series you played them?

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's yo. Danny Granger, healthy Danny Granger.

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00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: We traded Danny, uh you know one the one the

1219
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: first year we lost in the conference finals. He was hurt, yes,

1220
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: and then the second year we traded him. But you know,

1221
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: we always we we didn't have Danny, and we always

1222
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: Danny had great size, you know, you know with the switches,

1223
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: the rebounding, his shot making.

1224
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1225
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: And then when we when he did play, he would

1226
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: always get an offensive rebound over d Wade because he

1227
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: was bigger than him, like literally because he was six

1228
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: or nine. And I remember Coach Vogel and I talked

1229
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: about it one time. We were like, yo, that that

1230
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: moment right there could win us the series.

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00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: And we never We never got him in that point

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00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: to challenge.

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00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: So Danny, Danny was probably the missing piece. We never

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: got him when he was healthy. And then that last

1235
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: year they just weren't happy with.

1236
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: The speed we did.

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: Who didn't trade it for?

1238
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: You know, they made they made a decision.

1239
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: Who did trade him for?

1240
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: Evan Turner?

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00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 5: I think yes, he spend Danny and spending some time

1242
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 5: in Miami with us for a little bit, and the injuries,

1243
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 5: but he spent some time with us.

1244
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: Good dude.

1245
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 6: We touched on We touched on Kawhi a little bit.

1246
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 6: But there's another fan question. What was it like playing

1247
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 6: with a young Leonard?

1248
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: He was Kawhi was quiet, but he was a worker.

1249
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 6: I had had to be a worker because let me

1250
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 6: tell you something, I watched him at San Diego State.

1251
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: Fun fact, my brother was coaching at New Mexico at

1252
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 6: the time, same league, So we watched him a ton.

1253
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 6: He was like an eighteen percent three point shooter at

1254
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 6: heights in college.

1255
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

1256
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 6: It might have been twenty wow, but either way, it

1257
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 6: wasn't very good. He's turned himself obviously mid Rangers is

1258
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 6: still bread and butter. But so that was his game,

1259
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 6: his MIDI yeah, and just at the rim and just.

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00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: Right.

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: He was a dog, but quiet dog. Go ahead. I

1262
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: didn't want to interrupt it.

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00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead, no, no, no, no, no, you know, just a

1264
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: guy that worked, and you can see that. You can

1265
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: see the talent, like you know, he'd already won the

1266
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: championship or the MVP and all that stuff, so you

1267
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: can see the talent.

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00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously with him is just a matter of health.

1269
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: Like if the dude is healthy, he's one of the

1270
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: baddest dudes on the planet, right, so he's gonna be

1271
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: able to create and get your team in a position

1272
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: to win every single night, no matter no matter what.

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00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 5: Oh, now I elevate your game segment presented by Tommy John.

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 7: There you go, good job, don't go make it.

1275
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 5: Really We're gonna make this real easy for you ds,

1276
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 5: because I think this is a question that all of

1277
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 5: us have. What do you think about Golden States answers

1278
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 5: right now with Steph but Jimmy being a little banged up,

1279
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 5: if Jimmy's not back, what do you think about their

1280
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 5: chances with Jimmy and without Jimmy.

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01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: You know, obviously with him, they I think they got

1282
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: a shot. But depending on how you know, how healthy

1283
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: he is. I think that's gonna determine, you know, the

1284
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: outcome of their their season.

1285
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: If he's healthy, you know it's gonna be They're gonna

1286
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: be a tough out.

1287
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: They banged up, I think, you know, I don't know

1288
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: if those guys can replace and replicate what he does collectively,

1289
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: And it might just be a little bit much to ask.

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 6: I love Steph Currey, think he's fantastic. I want to

1291
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 6: see him get the game six and seven with these

1292
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 6: wearing all. If he does that, he's gonna go to

1293
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 6: a whole new level for me, because, like if you

1294
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 6: watch him now watching it as a forty five year

1295
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 6: old man, I'm exhausted for him, you know what I mean,

1296
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 6: Because every time he goes somewhere, they're hitting him. I'm

1297
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 6: telling you, bro, that dude's not human there because that's.

1298
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna give you a chance, a chance.

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01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: But I think they meet Jimmy scoring and play making,

1300
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Butler. Man. I'll say this, but I

1301
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: remember when he first came in the NBA Man, and

1302
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy was a straight up power forward. He was when

1303
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: he was with Chicago. You know, we were just kind

1304
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: of letting him roam. He wasn't shooting it, you know,

1305
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: wasn't handling this stuff. He was just he was undersized

1306
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: power forward. And what he's been able to develop into

1307
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: basically a franchise level guy. You know, they can get your,

1308
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, get you in the conversation for a championship.

1309
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: It's been really incredible. But it also is a point

1310
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: of like, yo, you can keep developing after you after

1311
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: you make it, right, like after you make the NBA level,

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Speaker 6: Ye I'm glad you said that because now in my

1332
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 6: second life in basketball and the agency stuff our third life,

1333
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 6: I coached a little bit. Jimmy Butler's a prime example.

1334
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 6: It's not who you are when you're get in the league.

1335
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 6: It's how you get on the floor and earn minutes

1336
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 6: and grain trust and opportunities, because everybody wants to come

1337
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 6: in and be someone different than they are right away,

1338
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 6: or you know, get thirty minutes and jack up every shot.

1339
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 6: Jimmy Butler came in at this and as he grew

1340
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 6: involved and grew, he became something completely different. And that's

1341
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 6: that's important for people to understand. It's like coming out there,

1342
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 6: just playing time is the most important thing. How do

1343
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 6: impact winning?

1344
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, how do you impact winning? Can you help

1345
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 7: somebody win?

1346
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1347
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 5: Right?

1348
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 7: To tell that people all the time.

1349
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 5: Your role might not be the road that you want,

1350
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 5: might not be the road that you trained up a

1351
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 5: pare for in the summer time, but that's your role.

1352
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 5: That can you help me win in this role? And

1353
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 5: can you starn this role and helped me? And one thing,

1354
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 5: I one thing I guarantee. If you don't play, you're

1355
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 5: not gonna play ten plus years in the league and

1356
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 5: you're not gonna get paid.

1357
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 3: So figure out. Yeah, yeah, I want to shoot thirty

1358
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: seven threes too. Yeah, that wasn't who I was.

1359
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 6: While we're talking about Golden State, who do you got

1360
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 6: coming out of the West and who you got coming

1361
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 6: out of the East?

1362
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: The East?

1363
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Speaker 1: I mean, if if all right, I think it's gonna

1364
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: be between Boston and Cleveland in.

1365
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Speaker 6: The East series.

1366
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Speaker 2: In the West. I just don't know.

1367
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: Man, obviously Golden State is depending if Jimmy gets right,

1368
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: and I think Golden State will have a shot too,

1369
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Okayse's good.

1370
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Speaker 2: I just I just don't know.

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01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they can hold up against

1372
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, those uh, those more experienced teams, especially in

1373
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: that next roey. They might get through this one, but

1374
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: I'd be anxious to see what that second round match up.

1375
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 5: Yes, all right, So anyway, d wes Man, what you

1376
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 5: think about NI l over time of League? You know,

1377
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 5: I know you got your hands in on some of

1378
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 5: that stuff. Man, talk to me about that, the nil,

1379
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 5: the overtime of league, you know, the Historical Basketball League

1380
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 5: and all these things that you do.

1381
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we you know, we tried to create a league.

1382
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: So we were the Historical basketb All League and then

1383
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: we changed it to the Professional Collegiate League. You know,

1384
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: we part we were part of that original like push.

1385
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: We jumped out here and I was I was explaining

1386
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: this to Sonny a little bit. You know, we probably

1387
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: were a little bit too public, rushed a little bit

1388
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: too fast, and ultimately a lot of our ideas that

1389
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: we came up with, you know, we saw implemented in

1390
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: over time, you know, and even in the gd ignite

1391
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: and and then obviously where college basketball is gone, and

1392
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: we you know, we had to have conversations at every

1393
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: level with most some uh iteration of one of those groups,

1394
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So uh we, you know,

1395
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: we kind of, you know, just kind of backed off

1396
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: once we saw like the way things were going college

1397
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: was moving and at least the compensation direction, right, I

1398
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: still think that guys, it's still a professional system. So

1399
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: ultimately it's not gonna be right until these guys at

1400
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: a union that's representing them that can, you know, make

1401
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: sure that their rights are being protected and then everybody

1402
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: can get paid and then going about their business.

1403
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: So it's moving in the right direction. But you do

1404
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: need guys to have.

1405
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: Some protections, contracts with protections and things like that, like

1406
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: we do, you know, at the professional level. And ultimately

1407
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: that's what it is when you're talking about I think

1408
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: I just saw the other day somebody's got close to

1409
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: an eighteen and twenty million dollar roster in basketball for college.

1410
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, these guys, these guys right now in

1411
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 6: the in the transfer portal. Yeah, we're talking about three

1412
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, here's here's what's happening you guys. You

1413
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 6: guys really put a foot in the ass of the

1414
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 6: n C double A, that league, h G League, Knight

1415
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 6: Overtime Elite because what NC double It did was reacted

1416
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 6: so quick they didn't have their them their ducts in

1417
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 6: the row right and now, and now you're looking at

1418
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 6: it like I'm really having a conversation with players now,

1419
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 6: like your mid first round pick, but I can get

1420
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 6: you four million to go play at such and such

1421
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 6: right right, And that's that ass. Those are kind real

1422
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 6: conversations now. And if you slide to twenty three and

1423
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 6: I can get you three and a half, that's like

1424
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 6: being the sixteenth pick in the draft.

1425
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 3: So but what you're saying is exactly right.

1426
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 6: They gotta start if they really want this to be seriously,

1427
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 6: we can't have we can't have transfer portal every every summer.

1428
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 6: So you gotta have if you're gonna if you want

1429
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 6: to get three million dollars a year to play college basketball,

1430
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 6: which is got to bless them.

1431
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 3: As an agent, I love it. Three four million.

1432
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 6: You gotta sign a four year deal and if you

1433
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 6: leave the NBA, your deal gets ripped up. But you

1434
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 6: can't be just doing it or because it's highest bidder

1435
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 6: every summer, right.

1436
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: Every summer, right, And that's what I'm saying. You gotta

1437
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: stabilize it to a degree. And that's what I say.

1438
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: You create this, you know, create this union that will

1439
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: help organize it that way, and it can be there's

1440
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: enough money for everybody to go around. The players can

1441
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: be paid because they're being paid now and in a

1442
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways.

1443
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

1444
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's really because again it's not

1445
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: based on some of their performers, right.

1446
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: If you look at some of the numbers, I'm like, man.

1447
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: These guys are getting a lot of money, you know,

1448
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: for minimal production. And you know, make sure there's some

1449
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: some layer of protection in there for the player, because

1450
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: it's not even though the guys are doing it and

1451
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: you want to give them the freedom, it's not. We

1452
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: know it's not the healthiest environment for them to be

1453
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: able to jump around year to year.

1454
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 6: And I think if you ask every past player their

1455
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 6: happiest hell for these kids, this is where it's supposed

1456
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 6: to be. It's exactly what the direction is supposed to

1457
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 6: be going in. But there also has to be some

1458
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 6: kind of transparency right, like, you should know what that

1459
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 6: player is making. Everyone assumes always making four million. Man,

1460
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 6: he ain't making four millions making but what is it?

1461
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 6: So if they start getting that transparency like in the NBA,

1462
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 6: I knew exactly what you were making.

1463
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 3: He knew exactly what he was making. He knew exactly

1464
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: what he was making.

1465
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 6: You gotta start having some transparencies, an organization, a union,

1466
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 6: like protect these kids. It's more to protect them because

1467
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 6: right now you don't know what anyone's making. But it's

1468
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 6: you know, it's good to see this game going like that,

1469
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 6: because that's that's where.

1470
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: It should be.

1471
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 5: Hey, Man, d West, last thing before we get out

1472
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 5: of here. Man, you were one of the guys that's

1473
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 5: been very vocal about professional athletes using their platform and

1474
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 5: you know, speaking on injustice and different things like this,

1475
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 5: and you said, we if we can't just dribble and

1476
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 5: shut up, if we don't use our voice, we part

1477
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 5: of the problem. I mean what, Because I know I

1478
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 5: was in a situation where I had to speak to

1479
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 5: the whole community of Miami and I didn't plan for it.

1480
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 5: I was literally just chilling and got a car from

1481
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 5: the mayor and I ended up speaking on the platform

1482
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 5: in front of the whole city. But just what catapulted

1483
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 5: you just to use your voice and your platform?

1484
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 7: Why is that important to you?

1485
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's kind of twofold man, Like you

1486
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: got to be able to connect, I think, with the

1487
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: broader community, right, Like, we're not living in this world

1488
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: outside of what's going on, So as human beings, man,

1489
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 1: it's natural for us to react sometimes and feel empathy

1490
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 1: for what we're seeing.

1491
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 2: So you know, there was always a moment.

1492
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: I'll always be at least trying to be honest and

1493
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: what I was, what I was feeling, or what I

1494
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: was saying. It wasn't whether or not anybody gave a

1495
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: damn about what I was saying. It was just you know,

1496
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: you feel sometimes compelled to just speak and if your

1497
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: if your opinion is it's heard, fine, If it's not,

1498
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: that's fine too, because maybe somewhere in your subconscious just

1499
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: want to get it out. So I was in that moment,

1500
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: right But I never took I never took you know,

1501
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: kind of what I was or what professional sports is

1502
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: out of context, right Like, So I was always the

1503
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: person that was like, Okay, if I say something, I

1504
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: want to be able to direct somebody to a viable,

1505
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, viable resource or a place they can get

1506
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: more information or a place that they could get help,

1507
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, if they're seeking help or whatever. So that

1508
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: was the way that I would try to at least

1509
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: use my platform, and then obviously working with you know,

1510
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 1: working with young people directly, I always felt like I

1511
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: had a greater you know, great impact because there are

1512
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I could say to a

1513
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: kid and maybe their dad or their uncle, grandma whatever

1514
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: was saying to them, but it would resonate different when

1515
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: it came from me. So as much as it is

1516
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: important to speak, you know, and to be knowledgeable about

1517
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world, at the same time,

1518
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 1: we can use kind of who we are and the

1519
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: influence that we do have to impact young people that

1520
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: we can actually reach out to touch and communicate with,

1521
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So and it's just, you know,

1522
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: it's just a way to be you know, a way

1523
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: to be uh, just way to be connected, to be

1524
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: tied in with people because ultimately, you know, you want

1525
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: to be judged by the way you treat people, the

1526
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: way you interact with them, and the energy that they

1527
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: feel you know when someone talks about that experience that

1528
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: you have when when you cross path.

1529
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 6: D Man, we appreciate you coming on man, congrats everything

1530
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 6: to UD.

1531
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. It just came

1532
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: to me. So we was at rookie transition, right, uh huh?

1533
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: You remember this was that rookie transition and they was

1534
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: playing They had like this Madden tournament or something, and

1535
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: these that got to the finals.

1536
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 2: It was U D versus Bron somebody.

1537
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna call the dude name, but there was

1538
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: somebody there, right, so you did and Broun playing this game.

1539
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: But there's somebody else there who's like, he's like a

1540
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: Lebron cheerleader.

1541
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 7: Right.

1542
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: I'll never forget this.

1543
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: Cuz me and Kurt Heimer behind y'all, we like playing pool,

1544
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: drinking and talking to detail because that's how we used

1545
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: to get down. Like we just talked back and forth.

1546
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: And then Kurt like, yo, you getting mad, and I'm

1547
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: like what So they playing, they having this crazy Madden

1548
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: game and the dude just keeps like, yeah, Bron, great

1549
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: down bro, and.

1550
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: You like, dumb up.

1551
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 7: I'm like, yo, I remember that.

1552
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: Kurt Like Kurt like, let it go. Let it go yo.

1553
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: Maybe like two minutes later, dog you the exploded kill

1554
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: you like it was we had to break them up.

1555
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: You don't remember that, Bro, Yes, but I don't want

1556
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: to tell you to do.

1557
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 5: I remember that, and I had stopped with them video games.

1558
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 5: I left the video games alone the West because that's

1559
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 5: had that got too serious that day.

1560
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 7: I'm saying, I stopped playing Mad Yo.

1561
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: I remember standing in front of you like yo yo.

1562
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: We we're in the NBA now like.

1563
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,480
Speaker 5: The West, and I stopped with that mad after that.

1564
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 5: That's what I was like, this is too serious.

1565
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise you one bit. That story.

1566
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell my.

1567
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

1568
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 7: Appreciate Bro, thank you.

1569
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get your number from Sunny to Bro because

1570
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 5: I just want to stay connected. Man, you wanted them dudes, bro,

1571
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying. Regardless of anything like that,

1572
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 5: I just feel like somebody who I could talk to

1573
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 5: I can learn from.

1574
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 7: I got questions.

1575
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 5: There ain't too many people that I can feel like

1576
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 5: I had those conversations with, So make sure I stay

1577
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 5: tapped in with you.

1578
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 3: Brother.

1579
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah it's Sonny Bro.

1580
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 3: He got my appreciate your homie.

1581
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus from Man West appreciate you. My my.

1582
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 4: My my my my my my