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I say this every week. It's time to 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: start reading other people's success stories and start writing your own. 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: I always tell people who talk about passions and gifts, 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: lead with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family, 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning or living your dreams. 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: My interviews on money making conversations are with consumers and 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: business owners includes give I give you access, I like 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: to believe to celebrities, CEO entrepreneurs, and people I like 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: to call industry decision makers. My next guest is by Jove. 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: He's an activist and founder of Legal Equalizer and mobile 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: app that allows users to capture police encounters after being 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: pulled over, automatically notified loved ones in real time, provide 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: information on legal right it's involving that encounter, and received 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: legal advice at the saint on the scene, which is 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: really important nowadays. It contains laws for all fifty states, 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: allows you to record or go live with someone. By 36 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: is originally from Gambia, West Africa, and moved to US 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty when he was just nine years old. 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: Since living in the US, By has dedicated countless hours 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to helping others, including volunteering at homeless shelters and the 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: local churches, as well as helping with the Fair Fight 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: and New Georgia projects. Please work with the money making 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: conversations the first time. I love what he represents. He's 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: a techie, but a legal, a game changer. I'd like 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: to say, please work on to money making conversation by job. 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: How you doing pretty good with my friend? I appreciate 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: you taking the time to be on the show. Uh. 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: Where you're so you're based in Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, I 48 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: actually just recently moved moved this weekend to Davidson, North Carolina, 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: which is my alma mater. So the school gave me 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: a grant to come up here and work on the 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: app with some students and have the students learned how 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: to be entrepreneurs and helped them with that. So I 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: just moved up to North Carolina, right north to Charlotte. 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: But I'm normally in Atlanta. That's whole. Well, I'm very 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: familiar with the Queen City. That's what Uh, that's what Charlotte, 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: North Carolina is called a good food, good people. But 57 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you're back in Atlanta and it's good food and good 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: people here too, and you have an app. So once 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: said the word app or somebody who engaged in developing 60 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: the app, the word techie comes up. Oh, do you 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: have a tech background? I do not. That's the funny thing. 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I have no background in tech at all. So I've 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: had to get people that could code and do all 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: of that stuff to get the app done for me. Now, 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: why was it important to create this app? Because I 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: read in the bio kind of like what the incidents 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: in St. Louis and going to young man lose Michael 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: Brown at the time that that it was didn't infuriate you? 69 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Did it angry? To make you angry? To make you 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: feel helpless? What led to that? What were the emotions 71 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: that was running through your your mind and your body 72 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: at the time. It was a combination of a bunch 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: of things for us, So it was that you know, 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: I was angry, um, nervous, uh, sad, you feel helpless? Um. 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: And for me during that time Mike Brown and in 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the subsequent incidents afterwards, what really got me was that 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: feeling also of always when anything happened, it was always 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: gonna be um, what did they do wrong? What did 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: this person do wrong? Instead of you know, asking, okay, 80 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: what where's the video, where's the where's the proof of 81 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: what happened? 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I know I've been stopped, uh 136 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: and I have cars that so why are you stopping me? 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: You know? And it makes you feel defense lists to 138 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: talk about the walkers through the steps. So because as 139 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: an African American male especially, we all have different experiences. 140 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: We all look at the police differently. I know, myself 141 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: when the police stop me is like the number one 142 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: question is okay, fear. Fear goes through my mind, you know, 143 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: fear on the Okay, how do I get away from this? 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about my side of the story. By Uh, 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: how do I make sure I leave this moment alive? 146 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: That's really crazy? I'm talking like this. I'm educated man, 147 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm a successful man. I live in a upper up 148 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: in the upper tier neighborhood. I drive up with tier cars. Uh, 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: and so, but here I am being stopped. And just 150 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: recently I was stopped in Atlanta and de Luke and 151 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: and uh, when you pulled me over, you know, put 152 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: the digitent to made sure my hands won't the stair wheel, 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I asked him. He asked me for my my auto insurance. 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: I said, do you mind I gotta reach over here 155 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: and look into my glove compartment and he said fine. 156 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: I did that. There was no sudden rush to go 157 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: over there, because I don't know how he's going to react. 158 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: That is my experience, And of course eventually I was 159 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: allowed to move on the second time I was cop stopped, 160 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: I was in the vehicle and the that officer was white. 161 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: The other officers black. He talking about, Uh, my type 162 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: of vehicle was in a hit and run accident. Of 163 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: course I didn't have a dent on my car. Why 164 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: are you stopping me? Brother? You can just walk around 165 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: to what what did you not say hit and run? 166 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: Because I didn't have attitude. I'm trying to get away, 167 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: not by okay, but you just say hit and run? Though, okay, 168 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: I said, can you look around my vehicles seeing the damage? 169 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Walked around, y'all don't see anything. I said, Can I go? 170 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can go, you go, you go. But 171 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: these are the type of things that people of color, 172 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: especially African American men, have to deal with. Tell us 173 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: some of your experiences and what runs through your head 174 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: by when you're stopped by the police, black or white 175 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: police officer. You explained a lot of it. It's you know, 176 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I've never been the war, 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: but I kind of understand what. So just talk about 178 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: how PTSD feels. Like I was saying, it's a lot 179 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: of the same experiences that you have. You described exactly 180 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: what I've been through. Um, it's the PTSD feeling of 181 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: your hand starts sweating, you get nervous, you know, you've 182 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: got nothing wrong, and you're still wondering, are they gonna 183 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: put those lights on or they're gonna pull me over? 184 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: If they do pull me over, what they're gonna pull 185 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: me over for? What kind of excuses it? So I've 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: had everything where I've been pulled over from um. Like 187 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: I said, the first time, when I was twelve years 188 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: old on an academic team trip in South Georgia. My 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: team was predominantly a bunch of black kids. We had 190 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: a few white kids on there, and then the other 191 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: middle schools there were almost all black. And we were 192 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: outside playing cards outside the hotel and they came there 193 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: and they told us that, oh, yeah, there was a 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: robbery here in the area, and you guys fit the 195 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: description of the robber. Come to find out, it was 196 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old person. I was like six five, 197 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: two hundred forty pounds, and here we are a bunch 198 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: of middle school kids. Nobody called them five six, nobody 199 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: way more than a hundred and fifty pounds. So can 200 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: wet and so you know, it's that I've been pulled 201 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: over for wearing my seatbelt the wrong way. He said, um, 202 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, and I asked him how how do I 203 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: wear my seatbelt the wrong way. I've been stopped for 204 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: being in my own neighborhood countless time, just like you said, people, well, 205 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: you know we don't have any black people living in 206 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: this neighborhood. What are you doing here? And you show 207 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: him your idea and it's like, oh, you do live here. 208 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: And actually the impetus that got me to get the 209 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: app started. What got me going, honestly, was three months 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: after Mike Brown that December. It was um I had. 211 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: I got pulled over three times in about a week 212 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: and a half time frame by the Cab County p D. 213 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: The first time the officer pulled me over, literally he 214 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: told me, asked me what I was doing in my 215 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: own neighborhood when I saw show him my I D was, 216 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: oh you do live here. Okay, I'm sorry, You're free 217 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: to go. And so the second time I got pulled over, 218 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: it's the only time that the judge has ever apologized 219 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: in court. The officer printed on the ticket that I 220 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: was at the stop time for three seconds and not 221 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: for five seconds. And so when I went to court, 222 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: that judge looked at it and literally as that you 223 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: haven't stopped. Watch where you are on your you know 224 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: phone timing, like how you know it's three not four 225 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: dot five, And so he was like, I'm sorry for it. 226 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Some time, You're free to go. And the third time 227 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: I got stopped is really what got the impetus to 228 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: get the app going, because like I've been thinking about 229 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: it for a while but had made the move, and 230 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: this was times like okay, now we had to make 231 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: this move. And so this time, um, I was headed 232 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: to work. It was December twelve, heading to work. Another time, 233 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I was working for insurance. I was selling insurance at 234 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: all State and like, I've just been pulled over twice 235 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: in the previous nine days by that state department. Officer 236 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: gets behind me, and so I don't think any of it. 237 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: I drive a mill. He's still behind me. I switched lane. 238 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: He switches lanes behind me. I switched another lane. He 239 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: goes behind me. I'm like, okay, he's about to pull 240 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: me over. Found the CUSSS lights, pulls me over, gets 241 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: over there, and I'm like wondering why I got stopped 242 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: because I was like, hey, I know I have my insurance. 243 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: Is good. I just got pulled over. I had the 244 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: other tickets. There was nothing else going on. So he 245 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: pulls me over. He tells me, oh, there's a warrant 246 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: for your arrest, and I told him, no, there's not, 247 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: and he was like, how are you so sure? I 248 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: was like, literally, got put it by your same department 249 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: two times in the past week and a half, and 250 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: none none of them mentioned the warmth of my arrest. 251 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: So then his attempt to get around that was then 252 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: telling me, well, maybe the system for that. And when 253 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: he told me that, I showed him the ticket I 254 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: got from the same department before and said, well, sir, 255 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: if the systems were down last week, how is he 256 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: able to print out a ticket. It's not a handwritten ticket. 257 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: This is the printed ticket he gave me, So how 258 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: was the system able to print this ticket but not 259 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: tell him I had a warmth of my arrest? And 260 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: so had he gone back to the car and let 261 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: me chill to check on that, there probably wouldn't even 262 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: be an app right now. But instead of doing that, 263 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: he said, well, while I check on this warmth of 264 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: my safety, I'm gonna have to put you in handcuffs 265 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: and put you in the backs of my car. So 266 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: he cussed me, sat me in the back of his 267 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: car forward seemed like ten to fifteen minutes while instead 268 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: of calling in that warrant, he wasn't he was. Then 269 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: I watched them walking around my car with a flashlight 270 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: trying to see if he could find something in there. 271 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: And he gets that it comes back. He's like, oh, 272 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: said vald A warranted free to go. So I asked him, well, 273 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: where is the warrant from um what county? What's what stay? 274 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: And he was like, well, well, you know, this is 275 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: the value to arrest. So I got his badge number, 276 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: I got his name, and my mom and I went 277 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and made a complaint the next day. It's the only 278 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: time I've made a complaint to the police department. But 279 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: I could have had a lot more. But you know, 280 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: it was at that time because I was just set 281 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: up and so I made a complaint. They say he 282 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: did nothing wrong, do something about it. So when I 283 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: started to act, it wasn't even to start a business. 284 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't to make money. It wasn't anything more so 285 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: than hey, if I get pulled over, I want my mom. 286 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: I wanted my girlfriend at the time, you know where 287 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I was. I would know my best friends to know 288 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: where I was, and I wanted the video of anything 289 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: happened so people could not argue about, hey, what did 290 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: he do wrong? And so literally that's what started the 291 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: whole process of getting it was that stop of him 292 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: not letting me call my job, not letting me call 293 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: my mom, and him basically profiling me and pulling me 294 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: over for no reason. It was like, you're free to 295 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: go because I told him I felt like one of 296 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: those fishing I was catching release ponds. Now you're gonna 297 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: catch me at least eat me, don't just waste my time. 298 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: So so that's that's that's what got the impetusis started 299 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: thinking about creating something to start protecting people when they 300 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: got stopped. Imagine, because I've never been handcuffed, I've never 301 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: been seated in the back of police call. What was 302 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: running through your mind when that happened. It's uh, it's 303 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: it was for me. It was just dehumanizing, That's what 304 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was. I know, here I am, I'm 305 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: a grown man who hasn't done no wrong, who has 306 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: been fine, and you know, I'm like, got no criminal 307 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: records or anything like that, and I can't do anything 308 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: about that. You know, if I fight you, if I 309 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: do anything, you have the license to shoot and kill me. 310 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: So all I have is just to sit here and 311 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: take it and hopefully it comes out like it then 312 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: where it says what you're accusing me of is completely 313 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: false and I'm free to go. So honestly, that's like 314 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: the last time I actually, like I had a heavy, 315 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: heavy cry, you know, was because after they just felt 316 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: like you weren't a man, you weren't even a human anymore, 317 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: and it was just a de humanizing feeling to know 318 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: that you've done nothing wrong and to have those handcuffs 319 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: without you sitting the back of that car and just wondering, Hey, 320 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: is he gonna make up something? And for me, I'm thinking, 321 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: what if he planned something in my car and says, 322 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: now I found all these drugs, I found this gun 323 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: or something like that, and then what am I gonna 324 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: have to do next? Do I have legal recourds? What 325 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: do I have to do there? So those are all 326 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: the things I think about sitting in the back of 327 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: that car. Is okay, how can I contact my mother? 328 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: How can I contact my brother? How can I contact 329 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: my girlfriend? Like? How can I let my best friends know? 330 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Just different things like that's what brand through my mind 331 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: that whole time. Well, you know the thing that what 332 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking to Jack. He's an activist and founder of 333 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Legal Equalizer, a mobile app that allows users to capture 334 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: police encounters after being pulled over, automatically notifying loved ones 335 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: in real time, provide information on legal rights involving that encounter, 336 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: and receive legal advice at the scene. It contains laws 337 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: for all fifty states. Now, when you when you when 338 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: you start an app like this, the first thing people go, 339 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: how can you? How does it work? I'm trying to 340 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: get you your head now and develop the Legal Equalize. 341 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, all ideas start out of frustration. 342 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: All ideas start from trying to make life easier or 343 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: much more or less complicated. In this case, this is 344 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: a This is a social activist app. I would like 345 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: to believe from a standpoint of it can physically protect you, 346 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: can keep you, uh, protect your rights, and also educate 347 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: you about your rights on the spot. Now is it okay? 348 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: So walk me through how it would actually work if 349 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: a police officer, because this is a video as where 350 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: how would it work if something I'm sitting in there? 351 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: Do I hold my phone up and he sees me 352 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: holding the phone up? How does it work by So 353 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: now we know in Georgia, in most states you can't 354 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: have your phone in your hand. You have to have 355 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: some kind of stand up there for the hands free sir. 356 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: And so we have the app there and so we 357 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: can do a couple of ways. So if you get 358 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: pulled over, So when you first log into the app, 359 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: what happens is you go through the log in process 360 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: and asks you for access to your contacts. When you 361 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: get there, you're gonna pick at least five people, um 362 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: that you trust, friends, family, or whoever. And those are 363 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: your emergency contacts. Now within the app, we have laws 364 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: for all fifty stage rights and things that you can 365 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: do and all that stuff. We don't want you doing 366 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: that when you get pulled over. That's a little bit 367 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: too late for that. People to get educated before all 368 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So now if you see those 369 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: lights get pulled over, you can do one of two things. 370 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: You can say hey, you know, you say Serie activate 371 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Legal Equal I said hey Google activate legal open helpen 372 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: up that you can do it by voice, or you 373 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: can just open up with your hands. So the app 374 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: now opens up within two seconds. You can hit that 375 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: button it says I need help for and the list 376 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: comes out it says I need helpful police stop, general, emergency, 377 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: domestic violence, situation, immigration, ice, active shooter. So you put 378 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: I need help for police stop and you hit that 379 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: set and it says those people the Texas says, hey, 380 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: I've been stopped by the police. My location is and 381 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: it gives me exact location. If you don't hear from 382 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: me in the next thirty minutes, police call the police 383 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: department this area and also has a Google pinpoint now there, 384 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: So within five sect of those people already have that 385 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: text message, no you've been stopped. Now you don't have 386 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: whatever your choice is next. You can either now choose 387 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: to record that encounter and we're gonna have that recording 388 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: saved onto the phone, or what we're having in this 389 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: new release, which we've been testing out this morning and 390 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: this past week, you can now hit a live video 391 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: option and those people are gonna gonna notification you have 392 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: a live video, and just like we're talking now, by 393 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: the time that police caught that police obviously comes to 394 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: your door, you're gonna have those people on your phone 395 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: looking right back at them, and the officer is gonna 396 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: be able to see them. 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Welcome 435 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: out in machines. Well, I I love the fact that, 436 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: first of all, using your force, because that's what I 437 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: do when I get my vehic car, I'd say navigate 438 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: to or call somebody. That really simplifies the process for sure. 439 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: And so but when you when you develop something like this, 440 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: were there naysayers that my job? They really came into 441 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: your lane of going. First of all, you go, you 442 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: got this, why the big y? Then you got this 443 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: that's unnecessary? And that's okay, who are you? You've never 444 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: done anything like that? Were those sort of the statements 445 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: that came your way by when you were trying to 446 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: put together the legal equalizer? Um? It was that. It 447 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: was that you know, I'm being anti police. Um, it 448 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: was you know, you don't know what you're doing. I'm 449 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: not a lawyer. So I was like, you don't know 450 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: the law, you don't know any of that stuff. Why 451 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: would use this? Why can't I do that? Well, the 452 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: officers might shoot somebody pleasing your ap And so I 453 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: just have to talk people through common sense, right, And 454 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: I tell them if if somebody has my the phone 455 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: out and then have it out, you think the officers 456 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: gonna shoot them cause they have my app open? I 457 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: was like, that's not the issue. Also shooting somebody because 458 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: of their phone. We have a big issue that whatever's 459 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: on that phone and we need to go back to 460 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: that root cause. So yeah, so it's been you know, 461 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: and like I said, when I started, I don't know 462 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: how to code. Still I don't know how to code. 463 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how to build. I had to ask people, 464 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: and my whole time, I've had nothing but black coders 465 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: as well to come help build me with this. So 466 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: I used to work at Apple the you know, and 467 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: the store on the business team making sales. So when 468 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: I got done, I was like, somebody in the store. 469 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I got to know somebody that can code, So I 470 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: asked them, and I had somebody to build my very 471 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: first version of that app, and we need to upgrade, 472 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: and I had to go ask somebody else, and I 473 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: knew in tech in Atlanta, was like, hey, Rodney, can 474 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: you find me somebody that can code because my old 475 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: CODA can't do the things I need to get done. 476 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: And now we have somebody that's been here for three 477 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: or four years and knows what to dude, knows the 478 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: vision and can code and build our stuff out as well. 479 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing, because you know, you need help 480 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: from the community, you need help from the society and 481 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: you definitely need here from politicians when you're trying to 482 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: do anything like this, because some people couln't throw the 483 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: word controversial, put the word council culture. Uh claim that 484 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: you anti blue, you are you want to defund the police. 485 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: But what are some of the things are three things 486 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: at least at the community to society in general can do, 487 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: especially positive politicians can do to help you address the 488 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: root of the problems that you're trying to solve with 489 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: the legal equalizer. Um, well, politicians can do a lot 490 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: to start with. For one, I completely disagree with qualified immunity. 491 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: I think they need to get rid of them because, 492 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: like I got tell a police officer, if you're a 493 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: good police officer, you're doing your job, you ain't gotta 494 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: worry about geting suit m But right now they can 495 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: beat you up, they can shoot you, they can stab you, 496 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: they can do whatever to you, and technically you cannot 497 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: sue that with your officer just because of that job. 498 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: So I asked them all the time, would you go 499 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: to a doctor that can just do whatever and you 500 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: can sue them if they messed up? You probably asked why? 501 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: And so it's that same issue with qualified immunities. One 502 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: issue I have with policing. The second issue I have 503 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: the politicians I think well, and and policing is local 504 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: as well. So that's nothing we didn't talk about. It's 505 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: not you know, federal and all that, and so an 506 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: other thing we can do with policing as well is 507 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: a so in terms of the hiring and looking at 508 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: the quality of officers were hiring, the fact that you know, 509 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: somebody can go six months of training and now be 510 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: licensed to kill somebody. When you have attorneys have to 511 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: go to law school, you have other people have to 512 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: go to all kinds of training to get that. And 513 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: so personally I told police officer, if I was in charge, 514 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: I would cut the police departments by a lot, but 515 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: I would pay the officers there are a lot more 516 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: and I give those guys a lot more money and 517 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: a lot more resources because when you look at crimes 518 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: right now, they don't solve the majority of crimes. The 519 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: most crimes go completely unsolved. When you look at how 520 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: many thousands of hundreds of thousands of rape kits we 521 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: have that don't give it checked right now, so they're 522 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: not worrying or healing. Murders are going unsolved, and so 523 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: we're not giving them those resources. We have officers that 524 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: we're paying money to just do traffic stuff to basically 525 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: down the highway and see if you're speeding and do 526 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff, rather than actually dealing with the real 527 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: issues in society and stuff. Um. A third thing I 528 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: think we need to do is um deal with those 529 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: police union contracts, because those contracts are what gives them 530 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: that qualified immunity. They're what gives them the right to 531 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: do a lot of this stuff there. What like in Georgia, 532 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: until a few years ago, if the officers killed somebody, 533 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: they were able to sit in that grand jury room 534 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: and testify, but they couldn't even get cross examined. And 535 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: so imagine that you're sitting there, Okay, I can hear 536 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: his side of the story, I can't ask him any 537 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: questions or anything like that, which is why we didn't 538 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: have many officers even indicted. And so and these were 539 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: all deals that were made by these unions or by 540 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: these organizations police groups that come here and they'll defend 541 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: any officer or anything wrong, right or whatever. And I 542 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: can keep going like with these things. You know, another 543 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: thing I was hoping for with officers. Is that make 544 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the officers live in the neighborhoods they work too. Many 545 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: times we have officers that live thirty forty five minutes 546 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: away and drive into the inner city and drive the 547 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: other places. They know nobody there, and they assume things 548 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: about these people and they use as solutions to work 549 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: do that rather than the police in their own neighborhoods, 550 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: rather than no, hey, that's Johnny over there. Johnny has 551 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: had multiple personality disorder. The whole neighborhood knows this. Instead 552 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: of coming out, hey with a gun, let's call somebody, 553 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: talk Johnny down and work with that. You know, that's 554 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: Jim over there. You know Jim has a drinking problem. 555 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: You know he'll get drunk and he'll do this. But 556 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: instead of getting roughed up with Jim, we can take 557 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: it here and let him sober down. We know that 558 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: his momba lives over there, you know, we know his 559 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: dad and his girlfriend. Like. It's things like that we 560 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: can do. So it's common sense things we can do 561 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: to help improve policing and make it simpler. But anytime 562 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: you want to make those suggestions as you're anti police, 563 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: you're this and that, And even when we talk about 564 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: the defunding the police. It's not defunding the police. I 565 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: tell him. People used the wrong term there. You just 566 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: call it re reallocating your money, reallocating your funds, because 567 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: all that does is for instant Atlanta. If we don't 568 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: spend forty of our city budget on police, and we 569 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: can spend thirty percent of our city by john police, 570 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: take that extra temper cent. Put it back in the 571 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: inner city neighborhoods. Build grocery stores there to have healthy 572 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: food instead of having junk stuff there. That gives people jobs, 573 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, give people opportunities in those areas where now, okay, 574 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: we got people constructing this grocery store. We got people 575 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: working in the the strowing store. We need managers here. These 576 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: kids can come here to be cashiers. Oh now that 577 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: out here doing the water boys stuff. They're not coming 578 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: in crimes that We've invested that money back into the community. 579 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: And now all these so called crimes that's going wild. Oh, 580 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of that has been solved because the roots 581 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: of that crime, the root cause of those crimes are 582 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: now being solved. And so these are some of the 583 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: things I wish politicians and all leaders would think about 584 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: more and add that more when it comes to you know, 585 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: criminal justice of public safety. Hey, you know I got 586 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: My show is gonna go live on w c okay 587 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: starting in September seven. I want to bring you back. 588 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: It's for Atlanta because what you're talking about, you know, 589 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: it's gone beyond the legal equalizer of Apple, which is 590 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: a fantastic reason I brought you on it. But the 591 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: whole concept, especially when you hit the water Boys, and 592 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: that goes into your volunteering at the homeless shelters and 593 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: local churches and helping people in Fair Fight and the 594 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: New Georgia Project organization. I want to bring you back 595 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: really talk about that, because I think that's one of 596 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: the reason why I want to take my show live. 597 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: I want to be able to take phone calls. I 598 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: wanted people to hear people like you have that passion. 599 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to turn into a militant conversation. I 600 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: want to create a conversation, and a lot of times 601 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the conversation is not created with the right information. And 602 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: that's what angered me the most about the media to day, 603 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: because they fund the bad information, they promote the bad information, 604 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: and the class of examples that when when Cuomo's brother 605 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: doesn't even mention him in the news, and he's the 606 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: headline news every day. Okay, you mean you can pick 607 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: and cho news now, that's how we're doing news. And 608 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: that you don't have to talk about your brother even 609 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: when he retired, an when he resigned, you an't talking 610 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: about it. So now lets we know that news in 611 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: general does not give us the right message. So but 612 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for coming on the show. 613 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Talk about the lead equal Lizer. Uh it's a downloadable app. 614 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can get them the Google play store, yep, 615 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: Google play Store and iTunes. They're both free. They're both free. Again, brother, 616 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you again. I'm gonna be You'll be here from 617 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: again by in regards to coming back on the show 618 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: like starts September seven, every Tuesday, six to seven pm, 619 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: sit down talk. You come to studio and do it 620 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: on call. It doesn't have to be a zoom call. 621 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: You can just be a regular call. 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