Speaker 1: Hi, Brian, Hi Katie. You know, I'm a big admirer
Speaker 1: of Alec Baldwin. He has had some tremendous highs in
Speaker 1: his life and some pretty devastating low points as well.
Speaker 1: He is fascinating because he combines interests in the arts, politics.
Speaker 1: He's got a really interesting backstory, and he's had this
Speaker 1: incredible life that's been full of highs and lows, and
Speaker 1: he understands the media culture probably better than anyone through
Speaker 1: the mistakes he's made in dealing with the media. We
Speaker 1: kind of watched Alec, I think, learn on the job
Speaker 1: and in real time as a public figure and someone
Speaker 1: you know, he's not just an actor, but just someone
Speaker 1: who's the quintessential New Yorker. Yeah. Probably no one except
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has had as many run ins with the
Speaker 1: tabloid media pack in New York besides Alec Baldwin. And
Speaker 1: the interview didn't disappoint at all. I mean, as any
Speaker 1: fan of thirty Rock knows, he's a really funny guy,
Speaker 1: but he's also very smart and articulate. And we had
Speaker 1: a conversation that ranged from Donald Trump, of course, to
Speaker 1: hosting a game show. You asked him some insightful questions
Speaker 1: about his personal life, the best directors he's ever worked with,
Speaker 1: his experiences with Tony Hopkins and made us laugh probably
Speaker 1: more than any guest has. You know, just I just
Speaker 1: realized by the way that you and I we could
Speaker 1: have a show together. We could we could be on
Speaker 1: in the morning, like at seven in the morning, like
Speaker 1: two hours from seven to nine, and I would be
Speaker 1: the stars. We'd like talk to people and you could
Speaker 1: do some news and I could do like some interviews
Speaker 1: and stuff. We could we could be on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: g kitty, what is it like to do a two
Speaker 1: hour morning show from seven to nine every and it's hard?
Speaker 1: All right? Thank you for being here, and are very psyched, cab.
Speaker 1: We had so much to talk about. Where do we begin?
Speaker 1: I guess we have to begin with Donald Trump. I'm
Speaker 1: in the car coming here and he's doing this press conference,
Speaker 1: his first press conference, and I'm thinking, this guy hasn't
Speaker 1: had a press conference and so long. You would have
Speaker 1: thought he would have rehearsed, you know, we would have
Speaker 1: thought he would have had one of the greatest press
Speaker 1: conferences and just efficient and tight and presenting himself the
Speaker 1: right way. And instead he's on TV right now it's
Speaker 1: going very strangely. In fact, you were impersonating some of
Speaker 1: the things he was saying. NBC great organization, yet sure
Speaker 1: great and don't want to talk to you, and uh
Speaker 1: it's just uh feed fake news, fake like the Nazis
Speaker 1: would do that, say that. I, oh, you know, the
Speaker 1: Nazis said that that Hitler, but he liked to be
Speaker 1: on Hooker's in the Baktist gotten it's a fact, it's
Speaker 1: no in fact, everybody knows that. So we're just getting
Speaker 1: right into it here. I like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: wish that people could see Alec because as he's impersonating
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, he's got that uh sort of perpetual the
Speaker 1: mask of anxiety. Oh with his lips, he's got the
Speaker 1: O phase going on. But I think the big question
Speaker 1: is why should Trump change? Now? You said that, you know,
Speaker 1: you're surprised that he's not rehearsing, that he's lashing out,
Speaker 1: that he's saying offensive stuff. I mean, what lesson would
Speaker 1: he have learned from the campaign that would motivate him
Speaker 1: to change. That's a very good point, and I don't
Speaker 1: expect I have no expectation of him changing, but I
Speaker 1: do believe I truly just you know, being and this
Speaker 1: is the I can't think of any other way to
Speaker 1: phrase it. Being a student of human nature as the
Speaker 1: direct result of what I do for a living and
Speaker 1: watching people and observing people and thinking what's really the
Speaker 1: real thing that's going on with them behind the mask
Speaker 1: they're trying to manage all the time, you know, what
Speaker 1: are they really thinking and feeling? And they present themselves
Speaker 1: in public a different way. I fully expected Trump to
Speaker 1: relax once he won. I fully expected him to say
Speaker 1: that there were insecurities he had, and there was a
Speaker 1: defensiveness and there was a pettiness that would have not
Speaker 1: completely abayed. It would subside to some degree, and he
Speaker 1: would go on to become more presidential, if you will.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people alec are still having
Speaker 1: a hard time wrapping their heads around these words, President Trump.
Speaker 1: So how are you kind of processing it? And what's
Speaker 1: your attitude with the inauguration just around the corner? I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I mean, there's nothing I can
Speaker 1: say that you know you haven't read or seen before
Speaker 1: in terms of other people expressing their opinions about this,
Speaker 1: because it's all people talk about all day long. It's
Speaker 1: it's pretty much. It's phenomenal. It's pretty much a phenomenon
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. But I will say briefly that, um uh,
Speaker 1: you know when other men one in my lifetime that
Speaker 1: I was not fond of, when Reagan won and even
Speaker 1: the more kind of uh difficult one in two thousand
Speaker 1: and the Florida thing and Gore and everything, and he won.
Speaker 1: But in each of those cases, a few weeks go by,
Speaker 1: a few months go by, and everybody settles in and
Speaker 1: they realized that that men, because they were both men, obviously,
Speaker 1: is not malicious in any way. Now we have a
Speaker 1: guy who's the president the United States who's a malicious person.
Speaker 1: He's a malicious person, and I don't think people are
Speaker 1: going to settle in. I think that the way he
Speaker 1: behaves and the way people reacting this is going to
Speaker 1: be this way for the next four years. It's not
Speaker 1: going to subside at all. What advice would you give
Speaker 1: members of the media, because I think there is a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, I think ratings, I mean, alec
Speaker 1: you know, all about all this stuff. As much as anyone,
Speaker 1: they can't alienate a huge segment of their audience who
Speaker 1: want to give Donald Trump a chance who believe in
Speaker 1: his sort of his approach to governing, and yet they
Speaker 1: also don't want to normalize what is too many people
Speaker 1: really repugnant reprehensible behavior. So I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: caught between a rock and hard place in a way.
Speaker 1: What what would you say is important in terms of
Speaker 1: media coverage in the next four years. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big question, but I think that, Um.
Speaker 1: I think that there are two things that are the
Speaker 1: thing I see most vividly around Trump. One is that
Speaker 1: all of these men who and some women who diminished
Speaker 1: him and reduced him during the campaign, and some of
Speaker 1: them ran against him, have all signed on in in
Speaker 1: the way that partisan politics in this country demands right now,
Speaker 1: and because they all know that the only thing worse
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't win the election, they want the ryan.
Speaker 1: Everybody is signed on saying O, Trump's okay, Trump's okay,
Speaker 1: It's all going to be fine. Um. And that worries
Speaker 1: me because of these appointments. His appointments to me are
Speaker 1: very very, very frightening. I mean, I'm on the board
Speaker 1: of directors of People for the American Way, so I'm
Speaker 1: very concerned about the Court and a couple of vacancies
Speaker 1: that may come up, certainly a couple or three that
Speaker 1: will come up over the course of the next eight
Speaker 1: years if he is re elected. But when I think
Speaker 1: about Trump, now, what I think about is the word intervention.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone, I mean, his daughter, even who is
Speaker 1: close enough to him that a group of people can
Speaker 1: sit her down and coach her through something. And is
Speaker 1: she the one that can reach him and say to him,
Speaker 1: here's a list, very basically, here's three things you need
Speaker 1: to stop doing, and here's three things you need to
Speaker 1: start doing. Let's just begin there. I think she tried,
Speaker 1: didn't she like I mean, she was the one that
Speaker 1: brought our more in to talk to him at Trump Tower. Uh,
Speaker 1: there been Robert F. Kennedy, which is interesting. That's a
Speaker 1: whole another area. Now he's going to lead up the vaccine.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize Robert F. Kennedy was so anti vaccine.
Speaker 1: Very lily, that's a good word for vaccine. That's why
Speaker 1: I But you know, I think I think the Al
Speaker 1: Gore meeting sort of proved the point for those who
Speaker 1: are critical of Trump. That is, Ivanka brought Gore in.
Speaker 1: Gore talked to Trump for like over an hour, and
Speaker 1: then the next day he announced to A somebody who
Speaker 1: denies climate change, so I think people who are holding out.
Speaker 1: He wrote everything into focus for me, and I decided
Speaker 1: to bring in an assassin to literally take out the
Speaker 1: e p A. Mr President Elect. I didn't realize you'd
Speaker 1: be joining us today. How did the whole Donald Trump
Speaker 1: impersonation gig come your way? Alec? I mean, obviously they
Speaker 1: knew they had to have somebody once he became the
Speaker 1: nominee as somebody to play that, and they had all
Speaker 1: these people in the bullpen that had done it for them,
Speaker 1: Carrol Hammond, Carol, Taryn Killing left the show, and Tina,
Speaker 1: I guess, was the one I was told that recommended
Speaker 1: to Lauren that I do it, And I said this
Speaker 1: before and it was just such an amazingly weird thing
Speaker 1: for me, which is I had no idea what I
Speaker 1: was gonna do. Literally the moment the stage manager had
Speaker 1: my arm in his hand and leading me to the
Speaker 1: stage to do the dress rehearsal of the first show
Speaker 1: eight o'clock that night, I sat in a room and
Speaker 1: we watched tapes of him and in anything, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a comedian, because comedians, to me are people
Speaker 1: who write their material to be a real comedian to write,
Speaker 1: and Tracy Morgan and Tina and so what. These are
Speaker 1: people who have that gift of right. I'm just an
Speaker 1: actor who says words of other people create. And we'd
Speaker 1: sit there and whether it was Tony Bennet or Broccino
Speaker 1: or de Niro or the little things I've done in
Speaker 1: an ancillary way in my work. That way, there's an
Speaker 1: element of appreciation for them, which is always important. And
Speaker 1: with Trump, I don't have that element of appreciation, which
Speaker 1: makes it difficult. So you wind up saying to yourself
Speaker 1: that it's not so much the voice, because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sound like him that much. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: you kind of get to a thing that's like a caricature,
Speaker 1: everything swollen and bloated and and exaggerated. It's the look
Speaker 1: where the hair is what it is. But to me,
Speaker 1: the key to doing him was to be a man
Speaker 1: who paused regularly, almost metronomically, paused to dig for a
Speaker 1: word and never came up with the better word or
Speaker 1: a stronger word. So Trump will sit there and go
Speaker 1: I was talking to the president of Mexico who is
Speaker 1: just a fantastic person, a great, great person, And like
Speaker 1: I mean, whenever he pauses, you feel like there's like
Speaker 1: in some Cone Brothers movie. It's like a bunch of
Speaker 1: men in a filing room, like in his brain was
Speaker 1: sweating and breathing heavily trying to find a word. And
Speaker 1: then look at look at the look at the main nerve,
Speaker 1: the guy in the big chair. Then we got nothing
Speaker 1: we got And Trump's like, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: We're gonna build a wall here in Mexico and that
Speaker 1: wall is going to be just a fantastic wall. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's like he's always pausing to come up
Speaker 1: with something with some rhetorical flourish or some muscular word,
Speaker 1: and he never gets it. Never. So I always try
Speaker 1: to build that into the impersonation where he's like, Melania,
Speaker 1: you know that I want just to be with some great,
Speaker 1: great people, you know for dinner. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what saying we don't want to be to do it
Speaker 1: seems so labored, right, and then you hear it and
Speaker 1: you're like, seriously, that's all you got. I wonder if
Speaker 1: I wonder truly if here is a guy I said
Speaker 1: to somebody that here's a guy who this is This
Speaker 1: is just my opinion, and I don't say this to
Speaker 1: pile up on him or be mean or what have you.
Speaker 1: This is just the reality which I find fascinating. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy who, through I guess the kind of odd
Speaker 1: uh nature of television, convinced a critical massive people, certainly
Speaker 1: not the majority of voters, as we've learned, but a
Speaker 1: critical massive people that he was this kind of whip
Speaker 1: cracking can do executive on this TV show, this reality show.
Speaker 1: Whereas in New York, where he lives and his home
Speaker 1: base of his company, Trump is not admired at all.
Speaker 1: When you see Trump in social circles in New York,
Speaker 1: he was endured, you know, he was always somebody people
Speaker 1: would nod to him and say, hey, how are you.
Speaker 1: Because of New York people at the very least respect
Speaker 1: other people who make a lot of money, and Trump
Speaker 1: has purportedly met a lot of money, so they've tipped
Speaker 1: their hat to him in that guard. But he's not
Speaker 1: an honored guest anywhere. He's not an invited speaker anywhere
Speaker 1: he's had a featured guest at some social event or
Speaker 1: a dinner. He's kind of an outcast in the world
Speaker 1: he lives in. When you when you got this gig
Speaker 1: doing Donald Trump for SNL Alec, did you think it
Speaker 1: was kind of a short term thing. Did you think, well,
Speaker 1: this will be fun during the campaign and now whole
Speaker 1: mother of god, I'm stuck doing this. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: view it as being stuck in the in the sense
Speaker 1: that you know, when it came on, and I certainly
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna lose, And I definitely thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna lose, but uh, maybe not by much. But
Speaker 1: I just never never dreamed we would be where we
Speaker 1: are now. So when he won, there really was a
Speaker 1: part of me that sat there and thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I I emailed Steve Higgins, the exact producer who runs
Speaker 1: a show with Laurence, and I said, what's the schedule
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season again, I literally have
Speaker 1: it on my phone. I can show it to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how many more shows are you doing this year?
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, I just to go to Paris to
Speaker 1: do Mission Impossible and may I'm just to go to
Speaker 1: this place in this place in March. Are you making
Speaker 1: plans so you can be part of the show from here?
Speaker 1: I'm do it again. I don't think I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it this week. I'm what I'm doing it definitely next week,
Speaker 1: and we're going to do the one for the inauguration.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say, you're so funny and
Speaker 1: it's so great watching you. And let's listen. We have
Speaker 1: a montage of some of your greatest hits as Donald
Speaker 1: Trump on SNL. Let's take a listen. What gives you
Speaker 1: the energy for all that? My deep love for America
Speaker 1: and a really really big handful of uppers that are
Speaker 1: meant for racehorces. I use a very private, very secure
Speaker 1: site what one can write whatever they want to. I
Speaker 1: know one will read it. It's called Twitter. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't quite say it on live television. Um, but basically, uh,
Speaker 1: you said you wanted to to grab them by the pussy.
Speaker 1: I deeply apologize. Are you trying to say apologize? No,
Speaker 1: I would never do that. What I am doing is
Speaker 1: Jina huge v China face is completely orange except around
Speaker 1: the eyes. Words wide sirie. How about kill lisis theory?
Speaker 1: What's your relationship with Donald Trump personally? Do you have one? No? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I would meet him in town. And and again,
Speaker 1: I mean you never want to be uh mean or
Speaker 1: impolite people like that. I mean, if you don't if
Speaker 1: you're not a fan of theirs or you're not some
Speaker 1: supporter of theirs. I never watched The Apprentice. I watched
Speaker 1: it like once when my brother Stephen was on. But
Speaker 1: I would never, you know, want to be rude to
Speaker 1: somebody like that to their face, even if they weren't,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody wanted to hang out with. So I
Speaker 1: would bump into him at events from here and there.
Speaker 1: And but also he also provided the location manager of
Speaker 1: a movie. I did uh an apartment in his building,
Speaker 1: the top floor of the International on the old Gulf
Speaker 1: and Western Building, and he allowed us to shoot a
Speaker 1: film there, and he stopped by more for shooting. And
Speaker 1: he's very gregarious and very fun. But I think what
Speaker 1: he's somebody is who he's uh uh. He wants to
Speaker 1: be appreciated. Yeah, when we're shooting the movie, he would
Speaker 1: welcome to go. Isn't this apartment great? Isn't this the
Speaker 1: most fantastic condominium you leather shot in in your entire
Speaker 1: Life's go ahead say it. And what I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: to you is before you speak of me, to say
Speaker 1: You're welcome. You're welcome. He wants gratitude and he wants
Speaker 1: recognition for what he does. So you haven't heard from him.
Speaker 1: He hasn't reached out. I know he's tweeted that SNL
Speaker 1: you know, has jumped the shark, etcetera appreciated Meryl Streep
Speaker 1: is overrated, and I thought that was great. Meryl Streep
Speaker 1: is overrated. I thought you really want to sit down
Speaker 1: with some advisors, like some acting coaches or something, or
Speaker 1: some PR people and the goat. Now, Donald, that would
Speaker 1: be a vivid example of what you shouldn't do. I
Speaker 1: have to ask you, since you brought it up, what
Speaker 1: did you think of Meryl streep speech at the Golden Globes. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that, um, you know, we were at a
Speaker 1: point now where that kind of thing where somebody in
Speaker 1: the arts, performers, you know, whether they're actors or musicians
Speaker 1: or what have you, that piggyback that kind of statement
Speaker 1: onto an event. We've seen a lot of that, and
Speaker 1: I think maybe people are kind of bored with that,
Speaker 1: and they don't they it's kind of predictable to them. However,
Speaker 1: I do give her my understanding of her. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a huge I'm completely in love with her, and
Speaker 1: I worked with her and at a great time and
Speaker 1: with her. I kind of give her a pass because
Speaker 1: she I think she was speaking as a woman. I
Speaker 1: think women are deeply hurt by what's happened and what
Speaker 1: he said and how he uh sounds like he treats
Speaker 1: women and views women or the less powerful. I think
Speaker 1: because she gave the example of the reporter right who
Speaker 1: had the disability. No, no, no, I I agree that
Speaker 1: that in her content, she's covering a broader spectrum. But
Speaker 1: I think what what what drives her as her being
Speaker 1: a woman where you know, I mean, Trump is someone
Speaker 1: who has abused power everywhere he's been in his life.
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere he's gone, he's abused power and people
Speaker 1: who were less powerful than him. But I do think
Speaker 1: that what she said was very smart, was very active.
Speaker 1: But I can see now where you know, there's people
Speaker 1: in this country they just want to they want to
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and they want to right after
Speaker 1: the inauguration, we have to accept where we are and
Speaker 1: the task at hand. For people who are political opponents
Speaker 1: of Trump's, you know, whining about Trump and lampooning Trump
Speaker 1: and our mouth, our hand over our mouth, aghast, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Trump's the president. We've got to get over
Speaker 1: that now. But you were just to get earlier in
Speaker 1: the conversation, though, Alec, you were saying, you know, you
Speaker 1: you went through sort of the stages of grief with
Speaker 1: other presidential candidates who you didn't agree with, but it
Speaker 1: was hard to get to that level of acceptance, if
Speaker 1: you will, the final stage and the Elizabeth Coogler Ross,
Speaker 1: you know, stages, agree with somebody like Donald Trump because
Speaker 1: he is a malicious person. So I hear you saying
Speaker 1: both things exactly. I think it is both things at
Speaker 1: the same time. I think, well, I think it's people will.
Speaker 1: The task is to move on and to use this
Speaker 1: to energize the the the entification, and if you will,
Speaker 1: the selection of someone to run against him. We need
Speaker 1: to find that person who's gonna win, and that needs
Speaker 1: to be job one. Number two. I think while he's
Speaker 1: in office, he's just not going to enjoy what other
Speaker 1: people have enjoyed. I mean, I think I think people
Speaker 1: are going to be the press, and he's invited this
Speaker 1: quite frankly, the press and the public that are not
Speaker 1: supportive of him. They're going to keep giving it to
Speaker 1: him right to the end. Speaking of the end, we
Speaker 1: gotta take a quick break, um to hear some messages
Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we'll be right back. God, you're good.
Speaker 1: Everybody has been talking about Russia. It's in so many
Speaker 1: headlines these days, Briant and so. On our next episode,
Speaker 1: we're going to be speaking with a man named Bill
Speaker 1: crowd Or. He was once Russia's large as foreign investor.
Speaker 1: He is now a very strong and vocal anti Putin voice,
Speaker 1: and we really want to talk to him about the
Speaker 1: pros and cons of a closer relationship with Russia and
Speaker 1: get some better understanding about the risk reward ratio of
Speaker 1: a reset. Very illiterative, aren't I? So what questions do
Speaker 1: you have about Russia for Mr Browder? Leave us a
Speaker 1: message by calling nine to nine to four, six three seven. Oh, brother,
Speaker 1: Bryan is really really smart. No, don't set expectations too
Speaker 1: high now, he's gonna be crying. Worked with me at
Speaker 1: CBS UM and he went to Harvard and then Stanford
Speaker 1: Law School, and for some reason I was interested in media.
Speaker 1: But he's also like a political chunkie here. Always tell
Speaker 1: me he was sort of a producer helped me with
Speaker 1: the Sarah Palin interview. We spent like four days together
Speaker 1: in my den together coming up with all the questions
Speaker 1: for Sarah Palin has a photographic memory about all things political.
Speaker 1: I always tell the story that he got kicked at,
Speaker 1: that he got grounded in high school for sneaking out
Speaker 1: of his room to watch c SPAN. That's how big
Speaker 1: a nerd this guy is. Sad. What I love is
Speaker 1: the image of you um getting this job where you're
Speaker 1: on on the mic so to speak with her, where
Speaker 1: she says to me, where she says to you, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and do this podcast, would you like to
Speaker 1: come with me? And there's this Eve Harrington moment for
Speaker 1: you where you're like, yeah, I'll come with you. But
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on the air with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a producer. See, I want
Speaker 1: to be on the air. Well, that's why I want
Speaker 1: Brian to to be on the air. I want him
Speaker 1: to have that voice. Me to a plastic surgeon and
Speaker 1: in a few months I'll be Yeah, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a face cliff. I said to my wife, said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have a face stiff when I'm sixty, which is
Speaker 1: almost Hey, I just turned sixty. They're timeless. Very well,
Speaker 1: you're a time but you're a timeless beauty. You're the
Speaker 1: prompt queen of all of media, and we know that.
Speaker 1: But my point is, I'm going to be sixty. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be fifty nine in April. So a year after that,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty and I said to my I want to
Speaker 1: have a facelift. She said, no, Alec, don't have a facelift,
Speaker 1: because men, it looks so funny. I said, that's the point.
Speaker 1: I want people to gasp when they say, what a thing?
Speaker 1: What has he done? Because that's my favorite do anything
Speaker 1: for attention? What's my favorite New Yorker cartoon with a
Speaker 1: guy looks at the woman and the doctors in the
Speaker 1: office with the woman and he says, he says, I
Speaker 1: can't make you look younger, but I can make you
Speaker 1: look like you've had a lot of expensive plastic serion,
Speaker 1: just like Yes, okay, let's talk a little bit about well,
Speaker 1: there is one thing you and Donald Trump have in common,
Speaker 1: which is your proximity or you're the way that you've interacted,
Speaker 1: if you will, with the New York media, tabloid culture. Um,
Speaker 1: he to me seems to have utilized it with the
Speaker 1: notion that all press is good press, and you, to me,
Speaker 1: has what what expression did you use for Alex relationship
Speaker 1: with the New York tabloid media? Kind of careful now?
Speaker 1: Whipsawed by Yeah, a little bit whipsawd by it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I can say to that
Speaker 1: is when you're provoked by certain people in the media, Um,
Speaker 1: I definitely did the wrong thing a handful of times,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like it happened. Uh, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: a lot of it has been very close succession. When
Speaker 1: you become that person that is a click bait or
Speaker 1: cover bait subject for like the New York Post and
Speaker 1: so forth, that's uh, that's a tough current to paddle
Speaker 1: your way out of, and there are ways to do that.
Speaker 1: But I think that I mean, you know, I write
Speaker 1: this in my book, My Memoirs, coming out in in April,
Speaker 1: And in my book I talked about how I walked
Speaker 1: down the streets of New York and there was a
Speaker 1: guy coming toward me, an elderly couple, and the guy
Speaker 1: was this very distinguished looking guy in a suit and
Speaker 1: a tie and a camel hair coat, this African American guy,
Speaker 1: and he took one look at me, saw that it
Speaker 1: was me, and it's like there's that unmistakable glint of recognition,
Speaker 1: and he kind of like shook his head and looked
Speaker 1: down to the ground. Because it wasn't like a week prior,
Speaker 1: the New York posted that I called this guy this
Speaker 1: racial epithet. It was a photographer from the post. Now,
Speaker 1: as I said repeatedly, if I was going to use
Speaker 1: a word that was a racial epithet, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: something from a Rod Steiger movie from nineteen sixty nine
Speaker 1: and we're down and like so that you make them
Speaker 1: Georgia or something, but from the in the heat of
Speaker 1: the night or something. And I and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: there are other words. And when I grew up in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, people might have used. But I went to
Speaker 1: have an interview with the d a's office. They called
Speaker 1: me in to have a hate crimes investigation, a preliminary investigation,
Speaker 1: and they were contemplating charging me with a hate crime
Speaker 1: for saying this to this guy. When we were done,
Speaker 1: I said, well, would be very beginning. I said, well,
Speaker 1: the guy's a photographer. Of paparazzi and a videographer. Is
Speaker 1: there a video tape? And there was this odd moment.
Speaker 1: It was this pause that the d A had this
Speaker 1: woman because what she was hoping that I would implicate
Speaker 1: myself in spite of the presence of the tape, that
Speaker 1: I'd say that I did something, because they're obviously they're
Speaker 1: wawyers who know that that's a possibility. As a pause,
Speaker 1: and she said, yes, there's a tape. I said, well,
Speaker 1: let's play the tape. And we play the tape and no,
Speaker 1: at no point in the day do you hear me
Speaker 1: say any of what he accused me of saying. But
Speaker 1: you do hear him say he walks back to the
Speaker 1: to the journalist that he's working with in Tandeman says,
Speaker 1: she was what happened? What happened? He goes, I think
Speaker 1: he called me, and there's a pause, he goes a
Speaker 1: coon or something. And you never hear them on the
Speaker 1: tape at all, and you hear everything recorded on the tape.
Speaker 1: So I said to the woman from the d a's office,
Speaker 1: I said, are you going to hold a press conference
Speaker 1: and announced that you did not discover And of course
Speaker 1: the answer was no. So the tabloids spatter you with
Speaker 1: all this mud, and you get covered with all of
Speaker 1: this mud, and in my profession, it damages your reputation,
Speaker 1: which is really all you have. Significantly. It takes you
Speaker 1: a lot of time to wipe all that off of you.
Speaker 1: And I turned to the woman, thinking, you know, one
Speaker 1: statement from you to the press would say, we conducted
Speaker 1: this investigation, and so what's the point of this investigation.
Speaker 1: Is it just to we view of a burden or
Speaker 1: are you willing to exonerate me in the process. And
Speaker 1: they did nothing. The d a's office didn't They would
Speaker 1: not make a statement. They did nothing. So you are left,
Speaker 1: for the most part, to perform this function for yourself,
Speaker 1: which is very time consuming and very very painful. Now
Speaker 1: I learned some profound lessons from getting fired from MSNBC
Speaker 1: above the flurry of things right around two thousand thirteen
Speaker 1: and two thousand fourteen, which is that the less you
Speaker 1: have the press in your life, the better you want
Speaker 1: to cherry picket and just do every now and then
Speaker 1: you in my business, which is one thing, and I'll
Speaker 1: finish with this. One thing people don't understand is the
Speaker 1: fulcrum for the the reison debt for my relationship with
Speaker 1: the press is nearly always contractually obligated the people I
Speaker 1: work for him me a contract and say you must
Speaker 1: talk to some percentage of these people to promote this project,
Speaker 1: and if you don't, you're in breach of your contract. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I sincerely doubt I would do you know any percent
Speaker 1: of what they asked me to do? Why do you
Speaker 1: think it was so relentless over that period of time, Alec?
Speaker 1: And because I feel like, you know, it became a
Speaker 1: weird kind of sport and that do you think they
Speaker 1: somehow smelled weakness or vulnerability or your reaction to it
Speaker 1: made it more enticing to cover you. I think it
Speaker 1: was one of bury people who they have some who
Speaker 1: they think has some other potential. Meaning that was a
Speaker 1: time when people were coming to me. I mean I
Speaker 1: had some pretty prominent people come to me. And aspect
Speaker 1: a run from mayor in two thousand, UH went to
Speaker 1: Blasio one. I mean I had people. I mean I
Speaker 1: was on the cover of New York magazine. They said
Speaker 1: I was going to run for the Senate twenty years
Speaker 1: ago in advance of the campaign. Um, the do you
Speaker 1: think it was to cut you off at the knees. Politically,
Speaker 1: I think it was I think that they want to
Speaker 1: damage people who all hope they have a dream, a
Speaker 1: desire to reduce and to null of by all people
Speaker 1: that are their political opposites, whether they're there in the arts,
Speaker 1: whether actually bona fide political figures. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they look at me as somebody who's some virile political candidate,
Speaker 1: But I'm somebody who is a loud and persistent, opinionated,
Speaker 1: opinionated yet rock in their shoe in terms of their
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm constantly pissing on the Post, and I mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's put it this way. The Post is nothing
Speaker 1: but a mouthpiece for Murdoch. It hemorrhages money. It loses tens,
Speaker 1: if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year the Post,
Speaker 1: and Murdoch and his family maintained that as a as
Speaker 1: a as a a forum for them to launch their
Speaker 1: political pi they've kind of backed off. I'm wondering why
Speaker 1: you're kind of poking them in the with a sharp
Speaker 1: stick right now, because I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 1: I read the stuff when you went through this sort
Speaker 1: of phase where you were in there in their target
Speaker 1: or and and I was always thinking, it's nice that
Speaker 1: Alec has made his peace with them, or they've made
Speaker 1: his their piece with him, and they're not kind of
Speaker 1: I don't think make peace with them. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think you ever do, know, just a question of it.
Speaker 1: They move on to somebody else, and they move on,
Speaker 1: and I'm not as as interesting for that those purposes anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll give it to they'll give it to
Speaker 1: Merrill for the next couple of months over what she said,
Speaker 1: and they'll they'll identify somebody else who their staff. It's
Speaker 1: like that bullpen you see on TMZ, and they all
Speaker 1: sit around shooting the breeze about what stories that they
Speaker 1: think are the most tabloid worthy, and and that energy
Speaker 1: moves on and meanders to other other people. So I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, you know, for me, um, if you could
Speaker 1: write a check to some organization and pay them to
Speaker 1: never see your name in the paper again, I would
Speaker 1: be the first in line to write that check. And
Speaker 1: that includes The New York Times. By the way, Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting a couple of years ago media, really, you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of attention for writing a piece about
Speaker 1: how you were retiring from public life. What did you
Speaker 1: mean by that? And have you have you done that
Speaker 1: since then? I think that that that number one again,
Speaker 1: that that idea was to ever think that I could
Speaker 1: have a successful relationship with the media, to talk about
Speaker 1: my work and with any joy or any um uh
Speaker 1: kind of collegiality, deal with the media as a necess
Speaker 1: as a necessary element of my work, like I go
Speaker 1: into rooms periodically. I just came from the press conference
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at the t c A. And to
Speaker 1: always be going into these rooms with these people and
Speaker 1: dealing with them and hoping that they would have some
Speaker 1: desire to and s and and and subsequently ability to
Speaker 1: interpret even remotely who you really are. I'm that way. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're to get people. You're not malicious. And but my
Speaker 1: point just to finished that The point is that so
Speaker 1: the answer is that was a bit premature for me
Speaker 1: to put it in. I probably should to put it differently,
Speaker 1: which is that is I've tried to minimize that as
Speaker 1: much as possible. I mean, I have been through this
Speaker 1: Trump thing, for example, offered the cover of every magazine
Speaker 1: you could possibly imagine. I've been offered untold hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to put the wig on and walk
Speaker 1: in and do you know what speaking fees are in
Speaker 1: this business. I've been offered a ton of money, and
Speaker 1: I agreed with Lauren when we started that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I wouldn't monetize this gig at all. Really,
Speaker 1: I just says, that's why we announced on the show,
Speaker 1: on the on the on the in the media that
Speaker 1: they pay me the S and L guest fee of
Speaker 1: fourteen dollars a show to do the show. This isn't
Speaker 1: about money but a proposed what you're saying, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to dwell on this, which is that, uh
Speaker 1: that the idea that I could make it fun and
Speaker 1: I could make it relaxed, to make it easy, and
Speaker 1: I'd have my relationship with reporters and things like that
Speaker 1: and try to handle it a certain way. That's over.
Speaker 1: That's what died, and that is that I can never
Speaker 1: trust because the media is so desperate for funds. Now,
Speaker 1: all media sources are so desperate for clickbait and ratings
Speaker 1: that they will go to any lengths. I mean, I
Speaker 1: say this to you of old people, and I remember,
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't enjoy saying this. It kind
Speaker 1: of makes me sad. But like when I had this
Speaker 1: thing where I left this message from my daughter on
Speaker 1: this tape, NBC and their producers in the Today Show
Speaker 1: producers went and got Harvey Levin and put him on
Speaker 1: the air before me, and I was doing thirty Rock,
Speaker 1: and everyone in my life was saying to me that
Speaker 1: I would get a gift basket that said from your
Speaker 1: NBC family. I thought, oh, my god, I think I
Speaker 1: might be in the wrong family if h Mattlauer is
Speaker 1: going to interview Harvey Levin before me, and nobody even
Speaker 1: contacted me. They put Levin on, and I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: knew how to reach me, and I was working for them.
Speaker 1: And when they did that, I never did the Today
Speaker 1: Show ever since then ever, And that was in two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, And I said to my that's ten years ago.
Speaker 1: And I said to myself, not with any anger or
Speaker 1: any hatred. I just said to myself, I need to
Speaker 1: have less of this in my life. Did you ever
Speaker 1: talk to him out about it? Not? Really. There was
Speaker 1: a quick mention of it because he guessed it on
Speaker 1: thirty Rock, but there really wasn't anything to say because
Speaker 1: certainly Matt didn't make that decision as producers did. It
Speaker 1: wasn't really up to Matt So. But but when you
Speaker 1: make that thing, I mean out of anger and frustration.
Speaker 1: I hoped that I would never have to speak to
Speaker 1: the media again. But believe it or not, I certainly
Speaker 1: have reduced it a great deal. And I made exceptions
Speaker 1: for people who have law degrees from Stanford University. But
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. But I called the Stanford rule. So
Speaker 1: can we talk about your upbringing and kind of how
Speaker 1: you got into all of this, because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. You grew up on Long
Speaker 1: Island in the nineteen sixties. Your dad was a school teacher,
Speaker 1: your mom was a housewife, you were one of six kids,
Speaker 1: money was tight. How did that upbringing affect your choice
Speaker 1: of career and kind of how you've pursued your life.
Speaker 1: So that's really a very important theme in the book
Speaker 1: I wrote, which is that that there were other things
Speaker 1: I dreamed of doing. There were other things I wanted
Speaker 1: to do, and people kind of enticed me into trying this.
Speaker 1: In every month or whatever period you want to use
Speaker 1: to calibrate it, that I remained in this business, things
Speaker 1: got better. I got a job right out of school,
Speaker 1: out of acting school, I went to Los Angeles, I
Speaker 1: got work. I just kept working. I just kept lightening
Speaker 1: one off the other. I was changed shooting, and I
Speaker 1: was like just working, working, working. Then I got into
Speaker 1: you know, primetime TV. Then I got into supporting roles
Speaker 1: of movies and bigger roles in movies, and they all
Speaker 1: just had this momentum but the entire time, and I
Speaker 1: will say this pertains to inside the body of the
Speaker 1: work I've done. And this is a big part of
Speaker 1: what the book is about, is I never really often
Speaker 1: got to do what I wanted to do because my
Speaker 1: background left me obsessed with I had to make money
Speaker 1: and not be like my dad. So when I worked,
Speaker 1: it was always like I gotta I gotta work, I
Speaker 1: gotta keep working. I gotta make as much money as
Speaker 1: I can. I don't want to, you know. My dad
Speaker 1: didn't uh you know. He was a school teacher, and
Speaker 1: there were things in his colleagues and other school teachers
Speaker 1: did that they didn't want to do to supplement their income.
Speaker 1: I mean the father My father had friends of his
Speaker 1: that were younger men who painted houses in the summer. Well,
Speaker 1: they had floor polishing companies where they sent out men
Speaker 1: to banks and clean the floors of hospitals and banks.
Speaker 1: My father had friends talking about teachers, teachers who when
Speaker 1: the summer would come, they ran travel agencies and they
Speaker 1: went and did they went on cruise ships. So they
Speaker 1: had some crazy supplemental work that they did, and my
Speaker 1: dad didn't do that. He Everything my dad did was
Speaker 1: a paycheck from the school. He coached football, he coached
Speaker 1: rifle ry, he did a lot of different things. Wasn't
Speaker 1: the money or was it the gravy train that was
Speaker 1: so enticing? Or was it the work? Wasn't that enticing?
Speaker 1: It was necessary? Well? That was that was the problem.
Speaker 1: Was What was enticing was the work. And what got
Speaker 1: in the way was my need to make a living.
Speaker 1: So there were many many opportunities to work and do
Speaker 1: things I wanted to do, and you know, different than acting.
Speaker 1: No no jobs within the business. Some some you know,
Speaker 1: monster directors saying come with me to Australia for six
Speaker 1: months and we're gonna make a movie and the sequel
Speaker 1: while we're down there, and you're gonna play the lead
Speaker 1: role in this gigantic blockbuster movie and me turning and going, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I'm married I just had a baby,
Speaker 1: my wife I was married to Kim. My wife's not
Speaker 1: coming to Australia for six months with my daughter. So
Speaker 1: my life getting in the way of that, or or
Speaker 1: somebody saying, here's a movie you're gonna do, that's the
Speaker 1: movie you need to be doing it. We don't have
Speaker 1: any money. We don't have any money to bring your
Speaker 1: family come to the Caribbean and we're gonna be shooting
Speaker 1: it on a boat. And it's an extraordinarily interesting project,
Speaker 1: but we can't bring your family down. We're gonna pay
Speaker 1: you fifty cents to do the movie. And I go, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't leave my wife. And
Speaker 1: I'm remarried and have have three kids. So everything has been
Speaker 1: family and I'm not complaining. I'm not asking for like
Speaker 1: a medal here. I'm no different than anybody else in
Speaker 1: that way. And then I would turn around and I
Speaker 1: have to do a job to make money, and and
Speaker 1: I would I'd have to supplement that. And so without
Speaker 1: beating at the death in a patchwork of decisions, I
Speaker 1: had to make countless scores of decisions over the years.
Speaker 1: There's things I might have done that would have made
Speaker 1: me um more uh what's the word, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of cemented in my career and everything would be a
Speaker 1: lot more of Tom Hanks whatever. Yeah. I don't like
Speaker 1: to compare to other people because they are who they are,
Speaker 1: but I would have had a much more easy time
Speaker 1: of things. Now. Having said that, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: your career choices have been so that's interesting and smart
Speaker 1: and had you've done such a variety of things ale
Speaker 1: that I have done everything, you know, and I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think your life and career have been
Speaker 1: far more interesting because of that. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, and I don't want to just turn it
Speaker 1: on you, but you know, you're probably you know, you're
Speaker 1: one of the four or five most famous women in
Speaker 1: the history of the news business. And you did a
Speaker 1: show which was the number one show in the morning,
Speaker 1: and you were like, like people wake up and brush
Speaker 1: their teeth. You know, they might as well just had
Speaker 1: a tooth rush with you on it, you know, because
Speaker 1: you were so a part of their lives on the
Speaker 1: morning show. And when the time came for that to end,
Speaker 1: that was your decision for it to end. Im, assuming
Speaker 1: you couldn't kept doing it forever, I could have, right,
Speaker 1: and when when you didn't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind my asking why, I think for me,
Speaker 1: I the show itself had become a little repetitive. Um,
Speaker 1: I wanted a new challenge. Uh. I wanted to leave
Speaker 1: before people wanted me to leave in a way, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, and I had an opportunity to do something.
Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to try something new and be challenged.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think, you know, sometimes I wonder
Speaker 1: about that. I could have stayed. I could have been
Speaker 1: celebrating twenty five years while Matt was celebrating twenty and UM,
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's just I didn't want my
Speaker 1: life to be that one thing and that one thing alone.
Speaker 1: And I think probably motivated by some of the things
Speaker 1: that you've been motivated by. I think that people don't
Speaker 1: realize it no matter how lucrative the job is, no
Speaker 1: matter how famous you are, and there are a few
Speaker 1: people who were as famous as successful as you've been. Uh,
Speaker 1: you do you know, twenty years goes by and go
Speaker 1: wait a second, you know, I would like to just
Speaker 1: do something different. And for me, I mean, the biggest
Speaker 1: thing in my life now that dictates what I do
Speaker 1: is that I met someone and I fell in love
Speaker 1: and I got married, and I'm fifty nine years old.
Speaker 1: Pretty soon I have three children three and under. We
Speaker 1: have three children in three years. And so when someone
Speaker 1: says to me, come to a movie. There were two
Speaker 1: examples that I don't want to mention the details and
Speaker 1: offend anybody, but there are two examples of movies like
Speaker 1: La La Land. They were like, we we don't really
Speaker 1: want this Ryan Gosling guy. They're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: to him. They said, is there anybody you recommend me
Speaker 1: hired now that you're not going to do it? As
Speaker 1: I really like Ryan Goslin. He reminds me he's a younger.
Speaker 1: I said, you really what you really want to be
Speaker 1: younger me? And that's what whether be Ryan Goslin. Um.
Speaker 1: But um, well, these two films. Somebody came to me
Speaker 1: and said do you want to do this film? And
Speaker 1: there were both people who I had on a list
Speaker 1: of people who if they called me, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: think about it. I would just do it. Two directors,
Speaker 1: both men who I really admired so deeply, and in
Speaker 1: both cases I said I can't do it because of
Speaker 1: my wife and my kids. One was like, let's go
Speaker 1: to the city for five weeks and we can't bring
Speaker 1: your family have no money, And I thought, I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want my son to wake up
Speaker 1: and go because my wife will do that with on FaceTime.
Speaker 1: If I do go away for a day or so,
Speaker 1: my wife will we will FaceTime. And my son's looking
Speaker 1: at me like, you know, you're not around the corner
Speaker 1: in the bedroom or you know, in the bathroom brushing
Speaker 1: your teeth, and I just don't want to miss that.
Speaker 1: So I've so I say no to a variety of things,
Speaker 1: whether it's a money gig or creative gig, and then
Speaker 1: I go do match game. What was that match game was?
Speaker 1: They came to me and said, would you do ten episodes?
Speaker 1: Because I love you, but I saw you on television
Speaker 1: doing that and I was like, why on earth is
Speaker 1: Alec doing. I'm gonna tell you real quickly, which is
Speaker 1: that they said, let's do a ten We're gonna do
Speaker 1: ten episodes in the summer block and I can put
Speaker 1: the money on my charity because I'm always looking for
Speaker 1: these cookie ways to fund my charity. Capital one commercials
Speaker 1: Amazon Echo commercial for the Super Bowl all the funds
Speaker 1: go to my charity. Then we did match game and
Speaker 1: it was very successful and they said would you do more?
Speaker 1: And my wife said to me, go ahead and do
Speaker 1: more and and don't give the money to charity. This
Speaker 1: is the charity. Uh. And it's something that is it
Speaker 1: something that was in my bucket list of things I
Speaker 1: wanted to do as an actor. No, but at the
Speaker 1: same time it meets full on the criteria of what
Speaker 1: I need. Is that it's in New York. I don't
Speaker 1: have to travel. I can stay home with my family.
Speaker 1: And that's a tough, tough part in this career. Is
Speaker 1: because I have young kids. Is that I just I
Speaker 1: don't want to travel anymore. I just don't. And what
Speaker 1: is your charity? Focus on the arts? Mostly? I mean
Speaker 1: when we we did Capital One and we've made big gifts,
Speaker 1: you a million dollar gifts to n y U, my
Speaker 1: Ama Monitor round About Theater too. I think you're a
Speaker 1: big guil and you very graciously came into the show
Speaker 1: with us Guild Hall in East Hampton, Hampton Film Festival,
Speaker 1: a lot of smaller people for the American Way, Peter,
Speaker 1: some political things, but mostly the arts. Mostly the arts.
Speaker 1: But I bet people were equally skeptical about Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: playing this character on thirty Rock. I mean when I
Speaker 1: first saw that show, I didn't know that you could
Speaker 1: be funny like that. So amazed you say that, No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean truly, it was like a revelation, and you
Speaker 1: were for that whole period. I mean, in my mind,
Speaker 1: at least, by far, the funniest person on television. And
Speaker 1: I still clothes well, no, because most people couldn't execute
Speaker 1: it the way you did. I mean I think I
Speaker 1: think that role was really all about how you played
Speaker 1: the part and how dead pan you were. And I
Speaker 1: mean I still think about every time I put on
Speaker 1: a tuxedo, which is not very often. It's after six?
Speaker 1: What am I a farmer? Damn? I wish this event
Speaker 1: were tonight. It's not tonight. When is it February? Why
Speaker 1: are you wearing a tux It's after six? What am
Speaker 1: I a farmer? You know that's turned into a very
Speaker 1: popular Jeff? Is that how the kids say a Jeff
Speaker 1: or Giff? I think it's either way right now, I
Speaker 1: don't know. In fact, we have a question for you,
Speaker 1: Alec from one of our listeners in Phoenix, Arizona, Jack
Speaker 1: these are prerecorded questions. Hi. My question for Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: is his character that he played on thirty Rock Jack Donneghie.
Speaker 1: Does he have a favorite memorable line that sticks out
Speaker 1: to him? Thank you? Right? Um, well you mentioned that
Speaker 1: after six and one of my Farmer. That was one
Speaker 1: of them. When the when Carrie Fisher was on the
Speaker 1: Late Carrie Fisher, who we loved, came on and I
Speaker 1: was thanking her. She was a veteran writer there in
Speaker 1: the comedy constellation. And when she left my office, I
Speaker 1: turned to Tina. I said, don't ever introduced me to
Speaker 1: a woman that age again. I don't ever ask me
Speaker 1: to talk to a woman that age again. That was
Speaker 1: a good one, Um, but you're laughing. Uh right, I
Speaker 1: was Tina's Uh. There was this wonderful actor who played
Speaker 1: Tina's agent who was like this preternatural man child. He
Speaker 1: was like a little boy in a suit. And I said,
Speaker 1: did I said that you and I know a few
Speaker 1: things about women, don't we. John whatever his name was,
Speaker 1: He goes, I've seen a few bras, but I think
Speaker 1: my old time. Um, I mean, I guess the two
Speaker 1: scenes that stand out for me most when they came
Speaker 1: to me, this is emblematic of that show. They came
Speaker 1: to me and said, you're going to play. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do the Patty Duke thing, and you're gonna act opposite
Speaker 1: yourself and you're gonna play a gay Mexican soap opera star.
Speaker 1: And I said them, I go, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: you guys, come on. And they said no, no, no,
Speaker 1: You're gonna play they hand a relishimo and be the
Speaker 1: gay Mexican soap opera star. And we did it. I
Speaker 1: shot against myself and at the end, I look at
Speaker 1: the guy. I go, I look at the general, the general,
Speaker 1: and I go, you really are super gay. And the
Speaker 1: General goes, okay so, and I just love that he
Speaker 1: goes he's like this mustache. She goes okay so. And
Speaker 1: I love when we did hand to release him and
Speaker 1: that was like just so absurd. And I guess the
Speaker 1: end when we had to finish the show and I
Speaker 1: had this long, weird monologue to tell Tina that I
Speaker 1: loved her, and uh the speech that I say, lemon,
Speaker 1: there is a word which comes from the old German,
Speaker 1: and I go into this long which comes from the
Speaker 1: German luba, which means to be pleased, which is from
Speaker 1: the lube, was from the verb blue bell, which means
Speaker 1: to be pleasing. And I go into this rambling nonsense thing.
Speaker 1: Before I even finished tea, he goes, I love you too, Jack.
Speaker 1: And when we shot that scene at the end, it
Speaker 1: just was like a knife in me. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: because it was like the best. And even though I
Speaker 1: whined and complained, but I was there about certain things.
Speaker 1: It was the best job I'll ever had. It was
Speaker 1: the best. Were you sorry? I mean, why did it
Speaker 1: have to end? Well? I think Tina very Tina smart,
Speaker 1: and she's smart and always and not just in writing jokes.
Speaker 1: Tina was the you know, the principal producer of the show,
Speaker 1: and she knew that she wanted to go out before
Speaker 1: we had gotten down. There was no juice on the
Speaker 1: rind anymore. She didn't want to jump the show. And
Speaker 1: she had two kids, said two kids, and she wanted to.
Speaker 1: I think I think that to to write and produce
Speaker 1: and star in that show. I mean I always say
Speaker 1: the same thing, which is not at all, uh a
Speaker 1: critique at all, But I knew we were going to
Speaker 1: go off the air when Tina came into rehearsal one
Speaker 1: morning and laid down on the couch, which he had
Speaker 1: never done in the six years prior. And the second
Speaker 1: season was a short order, was thirteen episodes, and we
Speaker 1: came into the seventh season, the final thirteen episodes, and
Speaker 1: Tina came in one day and she just lay on
Speaker 1: the couch and kind of like moaned softly. She was
Speaker 1: so tired. And I looked at some people, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is over, We're done. So what's on your what
Speaker 1: is a part of your current poo poo platter of
Speaker 1: professional responsibilities right now? Well, I'd like to use the
Speaker 1: phrase topas myself more Kati, if you don't mind. Seems
Speaker 1: upper East side thing, you'd say, very kind of dated
Speaker 1: side of Kawa. Yeah, the side of what's your Manila?
Speaker 1: The Well, I'm gonna go to Emilio esteve as his
Speaker 1: new movie called The Public and uh, that's a name
Speaker 1: I haven't heard for a long time. I love Amelio.
Speaker 1: He's a great, you, very serious filmmaker. He did this
Speaker 1: wonderful film with his father called The Way which Martin
Speaker 1: Sheen crosses the the Great Hike in Spain, and Amelia
Speaker 1: did a movie about the staff of the CINCIDENTI Public
Speaker 1: Library takes over the library, and I play the hostage negotiator,
Speaker 1: which tries to talk about of it because they're threatening
Speaker 1: all these budget cuts and they want to broom out
Speaker 1: all the homeless people and they want to kind of
Speaker 1: fluff up the library all the rich trustees. And I
Speaker 1: love Amelia. He's just such a sweet guy and so
Speaker 1: into it, because when you make a movie, you want
Speaker 1: to be with somebody who's clear. He's very clear. So
Speaker 1: I have that my book is coming out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a lot of press for that. Was writing a
Speaker 1: book fun for you? Was it? Well? I mean I
Speaker 1: don't need to tell you. I mean you've done a
Speaker 1: lot of writing. It's like what you put in and
Speaker 1: what you don't put in and what you leave out
Speaker 1: and should people would go crazy. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: just because of all these life experiences I have had,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, my husband dying of cancer or
Speaker 1: these really interesting experiences I've had working at different network.
Speaker 1: Um you you, I'm gonna say something that's gonna sound funny,
Speaker 1: but and some of it they might be funny, But
Speaker 1: it's like there's people who just owe the public a memoir.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those people. I don't think I
Speaker 1: owe the public and memoir, but you are certainly one
Speaker 1: of the people who owe the public and memoir because
Speaker 1: people love you so much. I kind of get that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of get how much people love you.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, but people love you like boundlessly and you
Speaker 1: should come. I can't believe you haven't written a book
Speaker 1: to invite Alec tell me about Mission Impossible. Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go off and do the movie. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: always the way it is with those guys were with
Speaker 1: some slight exceptions. It's like Tom flies around the world
Speaker 1: and saves the world and jumps out of this and
Speaker 1: jumps off of this and then I'm in an office.
Speaker 1: I go to a set in London. They shoot in London,
Speaker 1: the sets, the stages, and I'm honest set with Tom,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I thought, I told you to stop
Speaker 1: doing that thing. I don't want you doing that jumping
Speaker 1: off that thing again. Tom goes and jumps off another
Speaker 1: thing and blows up another thing that I'm saying, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with you that you remember our last conversation where
Speaker 1: I told you don't do that again? You know, look,
Speaker 1: whatever the thing is, I'm the head of the CIA
Speaker 1: and I work with him now. And what was appealing
Speaker 1: about doing this movie for you? You know, I've made
Speaker 1: so many movies and I haven't made a lot of
Speaker 1: movies like that in a while. I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time doing Dirty Rock. I would be in Indie
Speaker 1: Land doing movies where budgets are tight and tough compromises,
Speaker 1: I mean really painful compromises are made in order to
Speaker 1: try to make the film. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: went and did It's Complicated with Merrill, which was you know,
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of money on that movie. Was
Speaker 1: Nancy Meyers who gets a lot of dough to make
Speaker 1: her films, and it's very comfortable. But I haven't made
Speaker 1: I hadn't made a lot of those. And when you're
Speaker 1: on the set, it's just remarkable, like what money and
Speaker 1: they wanted on screen. They're all very responsible people, and
Speaker 1: there's no one who was more of a thrill to
Speaker 1: work with than Tom Oh. He's just unbelievable. He's unbelive.
Speaker 1: He is unbelievable. He just is like, let's the days
Speaker 1: he wasn't shoting he was on the set because he's
Speaker 1: a producer. He'd come up to me and say us yeah,
Speaker 1: and he'd even to give me an idea. He'd say
Speaker 1: to me, what do you think about this? He's like
Speaker 1: a machine, you know. I said to Michael, what do
Speaker 1: you do to unwind when this is over? I said,
Speaker 1: what do you go? Like? What's your guilty pleasure? What's
Speaker 1: the thing you do in between? He said, what's my
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure? Because when we're done, he said, I find
Speaker 1: another script? And I started all over again. He's I
Speaker 1: just love to shoot. I love to shoot. And I thought,
Speaker 1: if I was you, i'd love to shoot too, because
Speaker 1: it's pretty good life he has, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: just he's I'm dying to go over there and do
Speaker 1: that with him again. I just don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing yet. Did you like working with Scorsese and The Departed?
Speaker 1: Because I thought that was one of your best roles,
Speaker 1: those kinds of films. I mean, you were a guest. Really,
Speaker 1: you're not playing a big part, so it's what you
Speaker 1: get to watch. I mean, you do your scenes. When
Speaker 1: I did The Aviator, it was really a thrill to
Speaker 1: watch Leo. I have this bottomless admiration or and then
Speaker 1: to do The Departed with that crowd, and you know,
Speaker 1: Marty is obviously one of the top examples of people
Speaker 1: who they see the movie, they know what they want,
Speaker 1: what they don't want. You know. One of the first
Speaker 1: films I ever made was Working Girl with Mike Nichols,
Speaker 1: and he was just a dream in that sense, which
Speaker 1: was you know, he'd say, what do you think of this?
Speaker 1: And you'd have an idea in the rehearsal and he'd say, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that, and he like right away
Speaker 1: it was it was like he knew rather than us
Speaker 1: kind of masturbating for a day after day of like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the movie is, he knew
Speaker 1: what the movie was and he knew what he wanted
Speaker 1: you to do, which is a great uh pleasure. You
Speaker 1: You've worked with so many extraordinary people. Is there someone
Speaker 1: you admire the most? I wouldn't say the most, but
Speaker 1: the person that comes to mind about is Tony Hopkins.
Speaker 1: When I want to go to the Edge with Tony
Speaker 1: and he had just come from doing Nixon before that,
Speaker 1: and I wrote this in the book, I tell this
Speaker 1: story like when we were in the Canadian Rockies, which
Speaker 1: was the most beautiful place I've ever been. My sister
Speaker 1: Beth came to see me, and she comes into the
Speaker 1: woods uh to see me and greet me. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, and Tony was lying on the
Speaker 1: ground on an air mattress. They made like a little
Speaker 1: bed for him because he'd hurt his back. And he's
Speaker 1: reading the newspaper. And I said, Tony, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: interrupted you. Would like to introduce you to my sister,
Speaker 1: my sister Beth, And Tony puts down the newspaper and
Speaker 1: he gathers himself up and he stands up very slowly,
Speaker 1: and he raises himself up and he takes my sister's hand.
Speaker 1: He says, Elizabeth, with a great pleasure to meet you,
Speaker 1: and kisses her hand. And my sister, who was married
Speaker 1: had six children. I literally saw her like kind of
Speaker 1: like swoon. She developed it all behind my great pleasure
Speaker 1: to meet you. You are such a good mimic. He
Speaker 1: was killing me. And my sister was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: She was like completely gonna wet her pants because Tony
Speaker 1: Hopkins kissed her hand. And you admire him so much
Speaker 1: because he's so elegant, talented, gracious, so varied. Can you
Speaker 1: do a kat impression? Much more important? Why can you
Speaker 1: do a Katie impression? No? No, but but he doesn't mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't mean Tony Bennett. Do me a good quick
Speaker 1: Tony Bennett thing. Come on. When we did the show,
Speaker 1: we had begged Danny Bennett to have Tony come on,
Speaker 1: and he finally did come on and uh, and he
Speaker 1: played I played Tony and so funny to say this
Speaker 1: to me. I played Tony Bennett and he played Uh
Speaker 1: Anthony di Benedetto, who was a Tony Bennett impersonator who
Speaker 1: I sued, I read, I sued the big Jesus out
Speaker 1: of it, and I said, tell him the name you're
Speaker 1: using your act now. He says, I go by the
Speaker 1: name Phony Bennett. So we said to Danny would he
Speaker 1: come on with us? And Danny said, yeah, but my
Speaker 1: dad really doesn't quite get it, like what are you
Speaker 1: guys up to? Like he just wants you to say
Speaker 1: to me, what is it you guys are doing? And
Speaker 1: I said, well, we obviously make it silly and stupid.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of stupid thing about him, you know,
Speaker 1: have having having had his life as a womanizer. You know,
Speaker 1: I met a gal once it had toenails that were
Speaker 1: like a stack of bob a cute Frido's. He said,
Speaker 1: Lamas silk and tough phone cream for nails was the commercial.
Speaker 1: And uh and and Danny said, what is the thing?
Speaker 1: And I go, well, underneath it all, there has to
Speaker 1: be something joyful. Im positive, I said, in the positive
Speaker 1: is that Tony reminds us that the business is supposed
Speaker 1: to be fun. We're supposed to be having fun and
Speaker 1: not complaining and and and stressing out all the time
Speaker 1: we do the show. The show's over, it's one o'clock.
Speaker 1: He packs up his bags. He's ketting to the elevator.
Speaker 1: Now it's probably closer to one thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: Back then he was like eighty years old. And uh.
Speaker 1: He and the cast came out, some of them to
Speaker 1: have their picture taken with him on their phones. And
Speaker 1: Tony turns to them and says, your kids are terrific.
Speaker 1: This has been a million dollar night. And he said
Speaker 1: the phrase, this has been a million dollar night. And
Speaker 1: we always are like, oh my god, he's such I
Speaker 1: love him and I love Danny. I mean, the two
Speaker 1: of them together. Did you see zenn of Bennett? Oh,
Speaker 1: my people who are listening to this, get that documentaries
Speaker 1: Zen of Bennett. It's such a great one. And you
Speaker 1: had a big role in his recent n idea of
Speaker 1: Birthday at Radio City. Right out, I played Tony Bennett
Speaker 1: and we brought on Phony Bennett again, so so funny.
Speaker 1: Before we leave this podcast, we just got to ask
Speaker 1: about your podcast, which is a huge hit. So we're
Speaker 1: trying to learn from you. How long have you been
Speaker 1: doing it, how long do you want to keep doing it,
Speaker 1: and what do you think makes it so special. Well,
Speaker 1: in the way that we talked about work that I
Speaker 1: did that was dictated by my life and my kids
Speaker 1: and so forth. That I came up with the idea
Speaker 1: of doing a radio show. Lisa Burnbach was going to
Speaker 1: be my co host. Is very witty and funny, great
Speaker 1: writer Lisa Brenbach and preppy handbook, and we were gonna
Speaker 1: have a news person and a culture person. That idea,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of work and a lot of
Speaker 1: writing and a lot of producing and staffing. These people
Speaker 1: came to from w n y C and said, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Do this you and Mike and you interview
Speaker 1: people into a podcast and you try to access people
Speaker 1: you know in the business who you might have some
Speaker 1: context with it, are famous or successful, I would have
Speaker 1: you or admired. And the only thing that I do
Speaker 1: in my show that is the is it? You know?
Speaker 1: It is a decision I don't want to say technique,
Speaker 1: but is to have a longer format like this where
Speaker 1: people can relax. Rob Mills, who's the head of ABC,
Speaker 1: who was the guy that's my executive at ABC for
Speaker 1: the match game work that we do. I love him
Speaker 1: and he's one of the biggest reasons that I do
Speaker 1: match game because I love Rob so much. I'm when
Speaker 1: I go do match game. We do have fun. It's
Speaker 1: it's silly and dope, I know, And I'm sorry I've
Speaker 1: disappointed you in doing that. I understand. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: home right away. I'm gonna start looking up the things
Speaker 1: you've done that you've disappointed me, and I'm gonna email you.
Speaker 1: See by the way I came across this, what was
Speaker 1: that about Katie? Hello? You know we've all disappointed her
Speaker 1: at various moments in our lives. It's okay, it's a
Speaker 1: sort of growing up. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm her brother, and she's like you that's what you're
Speaker 1: wearing for Halloween. And that's the lamest constume I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. What do you zoro? What is that?
Speaker 1: Like a little weird mask on? But um, the uh,
Speaker 1: the podcast. The thing is that Rob said, he said,
Speaker 1: what I love about your techniquecause he says, I call
Speaker 1: it the warm bath interview technique. He said, you just
Speaker 1: get your your subjects to come into that warm bath
Speaker 1: with you and they relax. Actually twenty minutes go by
Speaker 1: and they start telling you who they really are. It's true.
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's true that there's something more
Speaker 1: intimate about this. There's something more relaxed and revealing as
Speaker 1: a result. But I think, listen, you've interviewed, infinitely, I
Speaker 1: mean to the innth degree, more people than I have
Speaker 1: as a result of all of these different things you've done,
Speaker 1: whether it was with NBC and beyond, and you've interviewed
Speaker 1: countless more people than I have, mostly in those tighter
Speaker 1: TV segments of six or seven minutes or so. And
Speaker 1: what I find is that when you interview people, is
Speaker 1: that the length of the podcast and the length of
Speaker 1: time we have, which of course we cut down, provides
Speaker 1: us with a chance to let them give it to us.
Speaker 1: We don't have to try to take it. If they
Speaker 1: feel you're not predatory, If they feel you're not trying
Speaker 1: to facilitate something with them, and you let them make
Speaker 1: let it be their decision, they will very often tell
Speaker 1: you the things that they might not have otherwise. Before
Speaker 1: we go, I have to ask you two quick family questions.
Speaker 1: One from your early childhood. You know you're one of six.
Speaker 1: It's you obviously have a close relationship with Beth, who
Speaker 1: came to visit you on that set. But your brothers,
Speaker 1: you know, particularly Stephen, your politics could not be more
Speaker 1: different than his. It must be a strange dynamic and
Speaker 1: a family with more than one person in show biz.
Speaker 1: As they say, how has that affected your relationship with
Speaker 1: your siblings? Alec, I always wondered that about you. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that that by and large, over time, these
Speaker 1: spasms that happen where people act out a certain way
Speaker 1: that one side is an approving of they have like
Speaker 1: any family, were no different than anybody else. There's some ramification,
Speaker 1: there's some period we were seeking some detant there. You know,
Speaker 1: with my brother Stephen, he is uh and we've had
Speaker 1: this conversation. And I'm not saying this to be you know,
Speaker 1: mean spirited or whatever. He falls right into that Trump
Speaker 1: dynamic of a percentage of Trump's support, it's not all
Speaker 1: of them certainly, which is uneducated. My brother didn't go
Speaker 1: to college. He went right into the business. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of anti government sentiments. You know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like paying his taxes. I mean it was in
Speaker 1: the paper that he almost got arrested for not paying
Speaker 1: his state income taxes and so forth. And uh, there's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a Fox News component to this, a
Speaker 1: DNA to this about people who need their politics predigested
Speaker 1: for them, you know, like most people. I know, I
Speaker 1: don't need people to give me. I want to read
Speaker 1: things and get information from the New York Review of
Speaker 1: Books in the New Yorker and the New York Times,
Speaker 1: but other sources as well. Um, and I don't need
Speaker 1: that stuff pre chew for me. And the other side
Speaker 1: seemed to need a lot of that. These people need
Speaker 1: people to articulate their opinions and tell them and kind
Speaker 1: of shape what they're thinking. Hannity's telling you what you
Speaker 1: really mean is this, and what you really need is this,
Speaker 1: and my brother was kind of fallen victim to that.
Speaker 1: I think has that created some tension between you or yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh sure. I mean I decided he would
Speaker 1: email me and say, you're gonna do that Trump thing?
Speaker 1: He said, I said, yeah, he goes. He said, you're
Speaker 1: just playing right into Donald's hands. He said. Now, when
Speaker 1: Trump won, there was a kind of a stinging effect
Speaker 1: that had to me, which was, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Trump won as a result of
Speaker 1: you know, five or six critical things, and some of
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we didn't get the best Hillery
Speaker 1: on the campaign trail either, by the way, but the
Speaker 1: and I'm a great admirer. First I just thought that
Speaker 1: could have gone better. But yeah, there's been some tensions
Speaker 1: about it because I I don't think he understands what
Speaker 1: he's doing. You know, when I listened to Trump today
Speaker 1: in the car on the way here, and again I
Speaker 1: don't say this with any malice. I don't enjoy saying this.
Speaker 1: I think that he has some kind of neurological disorder.
Speaker 1: I think he has something wrong with him physically, because
Speaker 1: he just is stuck in this kind of flailing rhetorically
Speaker 1: flailing He's like a guy who's drowning. In lifeguards school,
Speaker 1: they tell you you've got to slap the guy across
Speaker 1: the face was drowning. I'll still drown you too. Trump
Speaker 1: is borderline hysterical sometimes, and that's not going to work
Speaker 1: for us, for someone to be in that in that job.
Speaker 1: I love that Alec uses words like paripatetic and metronomically.
Speaker 1: He's an amazing vocabulary. You do. It's awesome and it's
Speaker 1: such a it's such a pleasure to listen to someone
Speaker 1: who is so fascile with the English language. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say that as it very hard to craft
Speaker 1: the words I say in such a way that they
Speaker 1: sound just so fantastic to the American people. I try
Speaker 1: so hard, I really do. Cut that schmaltz with a
Speaker 1: big orange knife right there. Yeah, all right, we've got
Speaker 1: to go, but before we you I just have to
Speaker 1: ask you one final question. Not to sound like cheesy,
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy that you're in such a great place.
Speaker 1: I feel like professionally things are going so well for you,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the match game, that you're doing
Speaker 1: so many greats highly you know, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: just I feel like you're just in a in a
Speaker 1: great place, but also in terms of your personal life,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's so nice to see you have
Speaker 1: this really second chapter with Hilaria, and I'm curious, what
Speaker 1: is it about your relationship with Hilaria, about your children,
Speaker 1: about where you are in life personally that that's working
Speaker 1: so well for you. Well, before I answer that, let
Speaker 1: me say that I have uncovered the match game analogy
Speaker 1: for your career, and then, as as a devoted Today's
Speaker 1: Show watcher and a worshiper of you personally, when you
Speaker 1: came down a staircase, I think it was a Halloween
Speaker 1: show when you were dressed as Marilyn Monroe, when you
Speaker 1: did Diamonds or a Girl's best Friends at a low
Speaker 1: point and you were busting out of some like lamb
Speaker 1: a cost to with some chiffon costume, I said, my god,
Speaker 1: where has my Katie gone? What happened to her? She's gone?
Speaker 1: Than thank you for reminding that diamonds are girls, but
Speaker 1: you can google that, by the way, trying to Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's It was amazing. And so having
Speaker 1: said that, um, the answer to your question is, you know,
Speaker 1: my wife is a very self actualized person. She knows
Speaker 1: who she is and where she is and what she wants.
Speaker 1: And there's not a lot of self sabotage there. That's
Speaker 1: not a lot of unnecessary, uh you know, psychological. The
Speaker 1: treat is surround with her. She's a very very very
Speaker 1: smart and wise young woman. So I'm lucky, and my
Speaker 1: kids are very lucky. She's a great mom. You know,
Speaker 1: we're on this journey together and I'm just really lucky.
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to have met her. She's such a
Speaker 1: she's such a decent and she does not complicate things unnecessarily.
Speaker 1: No drama, she's not yeah, she's like yeah, you just
Speaker 1: without even commenting on it. She just her nature is
Speaker 1: to sidestep the drama very effectively, you know. And she's changed.
Speaker 1: Her life can be quite cant and mental. But diamonds
Speaker 1: a girl's best friend. On that, on those notes, on
Speaker 1: those many notes, Ale, it's so fun having you. Thank
Speaker 1: you really so much for coming by. Um really happy,
Speaker 1: really happy for everything, Catherine Anne. And let the record
Speaker 1: reflect he was kissing her hand as Tony Hopkins. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: close friends call him Tony, Tony, I call him Tone.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're close to him, you call him tone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hurt me, you cut me into the that's only
Speaker 1: a Stanford wallgrad could. It's nice to meet you. It's
Speaker 1: very nice to meet you too. Pleasuring this of pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alec. As always, we want to thank Gianna
Speaker 1: Palmer for producing the show and Jared O'Connell for engineering
Speaker 1: and mixing it. Thanks as well to Mark Phillips for
Speaker 1: our theme music, which I've been listening to in the
Speaker 1: shower not really. Also, remember you can email us at
Speaker 1: comments at correct podcast dot com. You can find me
Speaker 1: on social media. I'm Katie Couric on Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: and Katie dot correct on Snapchat. I religiously follow Brian Goldsmith,
Speaker 1: so Brian tell us your handles so everyone else can
Speaker 1: to add Goldsmith be on Twitter. Best of all, you
Speaker 1: can rate and review us on iTunes. Don't forget to
Speaker 1: subscribe as well. Thanks so much for listening. We've had
Speaker 1: fun talking. We hope you've had fun listening to us
Speaker 1: and asking great questions, and we'll talk to you next time. Bye,