WEBVTT - Alec Baldwin: Impersonator-in-Chief 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:08.119 Hi, Brian, Hi Katie. You know, I'm a big admirer 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:12.320 of Alec Baldwin. He has had some tremendous highs in 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.279 his life and some pretty devastating low points as well. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:23.280 He is fascinating because he combines interests in the arts, politics. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.880 He's got a really interesting backstory, and he's had this 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.800 incredible life that's been full of highs and lows, and 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.040 he understands the media culture probably better than anyone through 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.320 the mistakes he's made in dealing with the media. We 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.760 kind of watched Alec, I think, learn on the job 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:47.000 and in real time as a public figure and someone 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.160 you know, he's not just an actor, but just someone 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.560 who's the quintessential New Yorker. Yeah. Probably no one except 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.960 Donald Trump has had as many run ins with the 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:00.200 tabloid media pack in New York besides Alec Baldwin. And 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.960 the interview didn't disappoint at all. I mean, as any 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.040 fan of thirty Rock knows, he's a really funny guy, 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:11.119 but he's also very smart and articulate. And we had 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.360 a conversation that ranged from Donald Trump, of course, to 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.400 hosting a game show. You asked him some insightful questions 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:22.000 about his personal life, the best directors he's ever worked with, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.120 his experiences with Tony Hopkins and made us laugh probably 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:31.800 more than any guest has. You know, just I just 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.840 realized by the way that you and I we could 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.840 have a show together. We could we could be on 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.760 in the morning, like at seven in the morning, like 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.280 two hours from seven to nine, and I would be 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.520 the stars. We'd like talk to people and you could 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.120 do some news and I could do like some interviews 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:52.559 and stuff. We could we could be on the internet. Yeah, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.120 g kitty, what is it like to do a two 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.680 hour morning show from seven to nine every and it's hard? 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.480 All right? Thank you for being here, and are very psyched, cab. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.600 We had so much to talk about. Where do we begin? 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.240 I guess we have to begin with Donald Trump. I'm 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.840 in the car coming here and he's doing this press conference, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.320 his first press conference, and I'm thinking, this guy hasn't 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.880 had a press conference and so long. You would have 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.400 thought he would have rehearsed, you know, we would have 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.440 thought he would have had one of the greatest press 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.160 conferences and just efficient and tight and presenting himself the 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.079 right way. And instead he's on TV right now it's 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.239 going very strangely. In fact, you were impersonating some of 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.000 the things he was saying. NBC great organization, yet sure 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.880 great and don't want to talk to you, and uh 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.560 it's just uh feed fake news, fake like the Nazis 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.280 would do that, say that. I, oh, you know, the 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.400 Nazis said that that Hitler, but he liked to be 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.079 on Hooker's in the Baktist gotten it's a fact, it's 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.200 no in fact, everybody knows that. So we're just getting 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.120 right into it here. I like, I don't know. I 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.280 wish that people could see Alec because as he's impersonating 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:06.240 Donald Trump, he's got that uh sort of perpetual the 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:12.200 mask of anxiety. Oh with his lips, he's got the 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.680 O phase going on. But I think the big question 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.560 is why should Trump change? Now? You said that, you know, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.080 you're surprised that he's not rehearsing, that he's lashing out, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.320 that he's saying offensive stuff. I mean, what lesson would 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.919 he have learned from the campaign that would motivate him 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.680 to change. That's a very good point, and I don't 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.240 expect I have no expectation of him changing, but I 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:38.000 do believe I truly just you know, being and this 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.280 is the I can't think of any other way to 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.560 phrase it. Being a student of human nature as the 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.320 direct result of what I do for a living and 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.800 watching people and observing people and thinking what's really the 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.320 real thing that's going on with them behind the mask 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.480 they're trying to manage all the time, you know, what 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.080 are they really thinking and feeling? And they present themselves 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.800 in public a different way. I fully expected Trump to 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.320 relax once he won. I fully expected him to say 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.880 that there were insecurities he had, and there was a 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.480 defensiveness and there was a pettiness that would have not 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.880 completely abayed. It would subside to some degree, and he 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.760 would go on to become more presidential, if you will. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.720 I think a lot of people alec are still having 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.679 a hard time wrapping their heads around these words, President Trump. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:25.000 So how are you kind of processing it? And what's 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.640 your attitude with the inauguration just around the corner? I 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.039 think that, you know, I mean, there's nothing I can 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.760 say that you know you haven't read or seen before 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.839 in terms of other people expressing their opinions about this, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.800 because it's all people talk about all day long. It's 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.880 it's pretty much. It's phenomenal. It's pretty much a phenomenon 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.320 I haven't seen. But I will say briefly that, um uh, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.479 you know when other men one in my lifetime that 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.840 I was not fond of, when Reagan won and even 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.760 the more kind of uh difficult one in two thousand 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.360 and the Florida thing and Gore and everything, and he won. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.760 But in each of those cases, a few weeks go by, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.040 a few months go by, and everybody settles in and 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.240 they realized that that men, because they were both men, obviously, 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.880 is not malicious in any way. Now we have a 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.400 guy who's the president the United States who's a malicious person. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.160 He's a malicious person, and I don't think people are 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.600 going to settle in. I think that the way he 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.560 behaves and the way people reacting this is going to 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.560 be this way for the next four years. It's not 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.800 going to subside at all. What advice would you give 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.680 members of the media, because I think there is a 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.599 lot of you know, I think ratings, I mean, alec 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.960 you know, all about all this stuff. As much as anyone, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.440 they can't alienate a huge segment of their audience who 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.480 want to give Donald Trump a chance who believe in 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.280 his sort of his approach to governing, and yet they 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.760 also don't want to normalize what is too many people 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.840 really repugnant reprehensible behavior. So I think they're kind of 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.840 caught between a rock and hard place in a way. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.360 What what would you say is important in terms of 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.480 media coverage in the next four years. Well, I mean 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.880 that's a that's a big question, but I think that, Um. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.479 I think that there are two things that are the 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.400 thing I see most vividly around Trump. One is that 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.200 all of these men who and some women who diminished 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.200 him and reduced him during the campaign, and some of 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.040 them ran against him, have all signed on in in 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.560 the way that partisan politics in this country demands right now, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.680 and because they all know that the only thing worse 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.360 is that he doesn't win the election, they want the ryan. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.840 Everybody is signed on saying O, Trump's okay, Trump's okay, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.200 It's all going to be fine. Um. And that worries 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.240 me because of these appointments. His appointments to me are 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.200 very very, very frightening. I mean, I'm on the board 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.000 of directors of People for the American Way, so I'm 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.360 very concerned about the Court and a couple of vacancies 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.440 that may come up, certainly a couple or three that 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.080 will come up over the course of the next eight 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.600 years if he is re elected. But when I think 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.800 about Trump, now, what I think about is the word intervention. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.240 Is there anyone, I mean, his daughter, even who is 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.760 close enough to him that a group of people can 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.000 sit her down and coach her through something. And is 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.160 she the one that can reach him and say to him, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.040 here's a list, very basically, here's three things you need 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.880 to stop doing, and here's three things you need to 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.000 start doing. Let's just begin there. I think she tried, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.720 didn't she like I mean, she was the one that 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.760 brought our more in to talk to him at Trump Tower. Uh, 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.760 there been Robert F. Kennedy, which is interesting. That's a 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:41.240 whole another area. Now he's going to lead up the vaccine. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.400 I didn't realize Robert F. Kennedy was so anti vaccine. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:51.040 Very lily, that's a good word for vaccine. That's why 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.680 I But you know, I think I think the Al 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.240 Gore meeting sort of proved the point for those who 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.840 are critical of Trump. That is, Ivanka brought Gore in. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.480 Gore talked to Trump for like over an hour, and 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.800 then the next day he announced to A somebody who 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.920 denies climate change, so I think people who are holding out. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.920 He wrote everything into focus for me, and I decided 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.840 to bring in an assassin to literally take out the 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.240 e p A. Mr President Elect. I didn't realize you'd 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.360 be joining us today. How did the whole Donald Trump 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.560 impersonation gig come your way? Alec? I mean, obviously they 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.360 knew they had to have somebody once he became the 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.160 nominee as somebody to play that, and they had all 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.040 these people in the bullpen that had done it for them, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.360 Carrol Hammond, Carol, Taryn Killing left the show, and Tina, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.000 I guess, was the one I was told that recommended 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.280 to Lauren that I do it, And I said this 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.920 before and it was just such an amazingly weird thing 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.760 for me, which is I had no idea what I 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.040 was gonna do. Literally the moment the stage manager had 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.400 my arm in his hand and leading me to the 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.360 stage to do the dress rehearsal of the first show 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.320 eight o'clock that night, I sat in a room and 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.080 we watched tapes of him and in anything, I mean, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.600 I'm not a comedian, because comedians, to me are people 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.320 who write their material to be a real comedian to write, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.440 and Tracy Morgan and Tina and so what. These are 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.800 people who have that gift of right. I'm just an 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.600 actor who says words of other people create. And we'd 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.840 sit there and whether it was Tony Bennet or Broccino 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.520 or de Niro or the little things I've done in 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.400 an ancillary way in my work. That way, there's an 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.240 element of appreciation for them, which is always important. And 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.680 with Trump, I don't have that element of appreciation, which 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.680 makes it difficult. So you wind up saying to yourself 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.320 that it's not so much the voice, because I'm not 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.080 going to sound like him that much. I'm kind of 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.600 you kind of get to a thing that's like a caricature, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.960 everything swollen and bloated and and exaggerated. It's the look 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.319 where the hair is what it is. But to me, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.959 the key to doing him was to be a man 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:58.320 who paused regularly, almost metronomically, paused to dig for a 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.920 word and never came up with the better word or 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.160 a stronger word. So Trump will sit there and go 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.240 I was talking to the president of Mexico who is 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:13.560 just a fantastic person, a great, great person, And like 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.040 I mean, whenever he pauses, you feel like there's like 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.440 in some Cone Brothers movie. It's like a bunch of 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.760 men in a filing room, like in his brain was 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.599 sweating and breathing heavily trying to find a word. And 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.520 then look at look at the look at the main nerve, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.800 the guy in the big chair. Then we got nothing 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.280 we got And Trump's like, let me tell you something. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.040 We're gonna build a wall here in Mexico and that 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.920 wall is going to be just a fantastic wall. And 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.840 you know, it's like he's always pausing to come up 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.559 with something with some rhetorical flourish or some muscular word, 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.760 and he never gets it. Never. So I always try 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.120 to build that into the impersonation where he's like, Melania, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.280 you know that I want just to be with some great, 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.719 great people, you know for dinner. You know, you know 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.280 what saying we don't want to be to do it 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.400 seems so labored, right, and then you hear it and 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.319 you're like, seriously, that's all you got. I wonder if 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.680 I wonder truly if here is a guy I said 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.840 to somebody that here's a guy who this is This 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.520 is just my opinion, and I don't say this to 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.520 pile up on him or be mean or what have you. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.880 This is just the reality which I find fascinating. Here's 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.560 a guy who, through I guess the kind of odd 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:31.360 uh nature of television, convinced a critical massive people, certainly 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.080 not the majority of voters, as we've learned, but a 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.079 critical massive people that he was this kind of whip 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.439 cracking can do executive on this TV show, this reality show. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.319 Whereas in New York, where he lives and his home 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.760 base of his company, Trump is not admired at all. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.680 When you see Trump in social circles in New York, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.960 he was endured, you know, he was always somebody people 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.600 would nod to him and say, hey, how are you. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.440 Because of New York people at the very least respect 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.320 other people who make a lot of money, and Trump 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.880 has purportedly met a lot of money, so they've tipped 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.920 their hat to him in that guard. But he's not 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.440 an honored guest anywhere. He's not an invited speaker anywhere 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.880 he's had a featured guest at some social event or 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.559 a dinner. He's kind of an outcast in the world 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.440 he lives in. When you when you got this gig 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.280 doing Donald Trump for SNL Alec, did you think it 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.320 was kind of a short term thing. Did you think, well, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.520 this will be fun during the campaign and now whole 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.480 mother of god, I'm stuck doing this. Well, I didn't 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.520 view it as being stuck in the in the sense 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.560 that you know, when it came on, and I certainly 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.960 thought he was gonna lose, And I definitely thought he 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.160 was gonna lose, but uh, maybe not by much. But 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.600 I just never never dreamed we would be where we 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.679 are now. So when he won, there really was a 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.080 part of me that sat there and thought, you know, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.880 I I emailed Steve Higgins, the exact producer who runs 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.880 a show with Laurence, and I said, what's the schedule 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.920 for the rest of the season again, I literally have 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:49.320 it on my phone. I can show it to you. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.120 I'm like, how many more shows are you doing this year? 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.200 I'm like, Wow, I just to go to Paris to 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.080 do Mission Impossible and may I'm just to go to 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.280 this place in this place in March. Are you making 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.439 plans so you can be part of the show from here? 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:02.959 I'm do it again. I don't think I'm gonna do 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.520 it this week. I'm what I'm doing it definitely next week, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.880 and we're going to do the one for the inauguration. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.080 I mean, I have to say, you're so funny and 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.600 it's so great watching you. And let's listen. We have 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.080 a montage of some of your greatest hits as Donald 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.000 Trump on SNL. Let's take a listen. What gives you 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.600 the energy for all that? My deep love for America 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.400 and a really really big handful of uppers that are 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:30.800 meant for racehorces. I use a very private, very secure 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.160 site what one can write whatever they want to. I 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.760 know one will read it. It's called Twitter. You know, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.920 I can't quite say it on live television. Um, but basically, uh, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:49.520 you said you wanted to to grab them by the pussy. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.920 I deeply apologize. Are you trying to say apologize? No, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.920 I would never do that. What I am doing is 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:05.560 Jina huge v China face is completely orange except around 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:11.760 the eyes. Words wide sirie. How about kill lisis theory? 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.760 What's your relationship with Donald Trump personally? Do you have one? No? No, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.520 I mean I would meet him in town. And and again, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.000 I mean you never want to be uh mean or 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.960 impolite people like that. I mean, if you don't if 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.680 you're not a fan of theirs or you're not some 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.040 supporter of theirs. I never watched The Apprentice. I watched 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.600 it like once when my brother Stephen was on. But 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.000 I would never, you know, want to be rude to 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.080 somebody like that to their face, even if they weren't, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.120 you know, somebody wanted to hang out with. So I 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.920 would bump into him at events from here and there. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.560 And but also he also provided the location manager of 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.520 a movie. I did uh an apartment in his building, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.920 the top floor of the International on the old Gulf 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.720 and Western Building, and he allowed us to shoot a 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.640 film there, and he stopped by more for shooting. And 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.200 he's very gregarious and very fun. But I think what 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:04.640 he's somebody is who he's uh uh. He wants to 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.400 be appreciated. Yeah, when we're shooting the movie, he would 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.480 welcome to go. Isn't this apartment great? Isn't this the 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:15.320 most fantastic condominium you leather shot in in your entire 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.680 Life's go ahead say it. And what I'm gonna say 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.040 to you is before you speak of me, to say 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.800 You're welcome. You're welcome. He wants gratitude and he wants 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.480 recognition for what he does. So you haven't heard from him. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.640 He hasn't reached out. I know he's tweeted that SNL 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.960 you know, has jumped the shark, etcetera appreciated Meryl Streep 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.400 is overrated, and I thought that was great. Meryl Streep 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.840 is overrated. I thought you really want to sit down 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.280 with some advisors, like some acting coaches or something, or 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.840 some PR people and the goat. Now, Donald, that would 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.800 be a vivid example of what you shouldn't do. I 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.520 have to ask you, since you brought it up, what 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.760 did you think of Meryl streep speech at the Golden Globes. Well, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.600 I think that, um, you know, we were at a 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:59.320 point now where that kind of thing where somebody in 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.240 the arts, performers, you know, whether they're actors or musicians 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.400 or what have you, that piggyback that kind of statement 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.760 onto an event. We've seen a lot of that, and 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.120 I think maybe people are kind of bored with that, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.480 and they don't they it's kind of predictable to them. However, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.720 I do give her my understanding of her. I mean, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.240 I'm a huge I'm completely in love with her, and 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.600 I worked with her and at a great time and 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.600 with her. I kind of give her a pass because 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.520 she I think she was speaking as a woman. I 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.680 think women are deeply hurt by what's happened and what 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.520 he said and how he uh sounds like he treats 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.760 women and views women or the less powerful. I think 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.960 because she gave the example of the reporter right who 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.600 had the disability. No, no, no, I I agree that 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.040 that in her content, she's covering a broader spectrum. But 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.200 I think what what what drives her as her being 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.800 a woman where you know, I mean, Trump is someone 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.200 who has abused power everywhere he's been in his life. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.880 I mean everywhere he's gone, he's abused power and people 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.600 who were less powerful than him. But I do think 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.360 that what she said was very smart, was very active. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.240 But I can see now where you know, there's people 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.720 in this country they just want to they want to 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.520 take a deep breath, and they want to right after 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.399 the inauguration, we have to accept where we are and 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.040 the task at hand. For people who are political opponents 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.720 of Trump's, you know, whining about Trump and lampooning Trump 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.000 and our mouth, our hand over our mouth, aghast, Oh 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.000 my god, Trump's the president. We've got to get over 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.760 that now. But you were just to get earlier in 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.399 the conversation, though, Alec, you were saying, you know, you 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.280 you went through sort of the stages of grief with 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.760 other presidential candidates who you didn't agree with, but it 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.639 was hard to get to that level of acceptance, if 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.320 you will, the final stage and the Elizabeth Coogler Ross, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.119 you know, stages, agree with somebody like Donald Trump because 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.320 he is a malicious person. So I hear you saying 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.479 both things exactly. I think it is both things at 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.280 the same time. I think, well, I think it's people will. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.600 The task is to move on and to use this 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:02.720 to energize the the the entification, and if you will, 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.200 the selection of someone to run against him. We need 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.120 to find that person who's gonna win, and that needs 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.480 to be job one. Number two. I think while he's 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.720 in office, he's just not going to enjoy what other 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.000 people have enjoyed. I mean, I think I think people 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.119 are going to be the press, and he's invited this 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.240 quite frankly, the press and the public that are not 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.240 supportive of him. They're going to keep giving it to 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.359 him right to the end. Speaking of the end, we 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.080 gotta take a quick break, um to hear some messages 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.960 from our sponsor, and we'll be right back. God, you're good. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.000 Everybody has been talking about Russia. It's in so many 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.359 headlines these days, Briant and so. On our next episode, 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.160 we're going to be speaking with a man named Bill 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.600 crowd Or. He was once Russia's large as foreign investor. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.199 He is now a very strong and vocal anti Putin voice, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.600 and we really want to talk to him about the 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.679 pros and cons of a closer relationship with Russia and 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.840 get some better understanding about the risk reward ratio of 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.520 a reset. Very illiterative, aren't I? So what questions do 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.840 you have about Russia for Mr Browder? Leave us a 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:20.560 message by calling nine to nine to four, six three seven. Oh, brother, 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.520 Bryan is really really smart. No, don't set expectations too 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.080 high now, he's gonna be crying. Worked with me at 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.920 CBS UM and he went to Harvard and then Stanford 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.000 Law School, and for some reason I was interested in media. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.719 But he's also like a political chunkie here. Always tell 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.840 me he was sort of a producer helped me with 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.560 the Sarah Palin interview. We spent like four days together 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.679 in my den together coming up with all the questions 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.760 for Sarah Palin has a photographic memory about all things political. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.560 I always tell the story that he got kicked at, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.520 that he got grounded in high school for sneaking out 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.960 of his room to watch c SPAN. That's how big 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.200 a nerd this guy is. Sad. What I love is 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.160 the image of you um getting this job where you're 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.280 on on the mic so to speak with her, where 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:15.760 she says to me, where she says to you, I'm 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.040 gonna go and do this podcast, would you like to 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.399 come with me? And there's this Eve Harrington moment for 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.920 you where you're like, yeah, I'll come with you. But 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.520 I don't want to be on the air with you. Yeah, 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.320 I don't want to be a producer. See, I want 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.080 to be on the air. Well, that's why I want 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.520 Brian to to be on the air. I want him 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.320 to have that voice. Me to a plastic surgeon and 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.159 in a few months I'll be Yeah, I'm gonna have 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.000 a face cliff. I said to my wife, said I'm 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.600 gonna have a face stiff when I'm sixty, which is 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.840 almost Hey, I just turned sixty. They're timeless. Very well, 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.919 you're a time but you're a timeless beauty. You're the 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.679 prompt queen of all of media, and we know that. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.199 But my point is, I'm going to be sixty. I'm 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.359 gonna be fifty nine in April. So a year after that, 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:03.879 I'm sixty and I said to my I want to 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.400 have a facelift. She said, no, Alec, don't have a facelift, 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.440