Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA EPI Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl, Danielle Moody, recording live from the Brooklyn Silarium. Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to bring back to you an episode
Speaker 1: of Planets Fuck, Make It Woke. It is our crossover
Speaker 1: episode with our friend and colleague, the Reverend Mark Thompson
Speaker 1: of Make It Plain in this conversation that we have,
Speaker 1: and it is a supersized episode that we put together
Speaker 1: for all of you. Is you know, because we decided
Speaker 1: to do this show as a monthly heading up to
Speaker 1: the mid term elections. We decided that this episode we
Speaker 1: would give a reflection on where things are, where things
Speaker 1: stand in our body politic right now, and what our
Speaker 1: thoughts are for when the calendar year changes and we
Speaker 1: rev up into the mid term. So I hope you
Speaker 1: will enjoy this new episode of Make It Woke, Plane
Speaker 1: as Fuck. You tell me, folks, I am so excited
Speaker 1: to welcome back everyone to our monthly crossover with our friend,
Speaker 1: the Reverend Mark Thompson of Make It Plane joining Woke
Speaker 1: a f so that we can make shit plane as fuck.
Speaker 1: So on this episode, you know we're going to provide
Speaker 1: a I guess what is it? Mark a reflection or
Speaker 1: wrap up a Hail Mary to the past year, looking
Speaker 1: ahead to what we expect is going to be happening
Speaker 1: in January. But you know, before we even jump into
Speaker 1: the specifics, I cannot believe that this is the end
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one. Like I, my mind is still
Speaker 1: blown that we are about to be two years inside
Speaker 1: of a pandemic that you know, even though Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is gone, Trumps M is winning and raging strong. How
Speaker 1: are you feeling as we're coming to the end of
Speaker 1: this year? The year has and first of all, always
Speaker 1: great to collaborate with you, Danielle. The year has flown by,
Speaker 1: and it's odd because we're still I guess coming out
Speaker 1: of or still in. I don't know if we're fully
Speaker 1: out of it yet. This pandemic culture and environment where
Speaker 1: it's it's very strange. And I think too looking at
Speaker 1: the days and weeks to come. You know, the news
Speaker 1: cycle is getting shorter and shorter, so we got a
Speaker 1: whole another month of stuff that could happen before we
Speaker 1: get to January. So I'm I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: to Christmas, which I'm not ready for yet. Uh not
Speaker 1: to mention it getting ready for January. I mean we
Speaker 1: even have if you I mean we just you know,
Speaker 1: we just had another another shooting. You know, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about that, um coming on the heels of
Speaker 1: ritten house. You know, there's still this gun violence. But
Speaker 1: nobody says right on wait violence you know we it's us.
Speaker 1: It's just we have when y'all going to address you
Speaker 1: all's problem with violence. And so there's that. UM. You
Speaker 1: and I talked the last time we together about the
Speaker 1: party which many of us support but doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: love us back. And it's gonna language. So this, this
Speaker 1: is it. This month is do or die for the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party in the sense that if these pieces of legislation,
Speaker 1: and there's a myriad of them from voting rights and
Speaker 1: then go to suppression all of that, even reparations, which
Speaker 1: I was on a meeting for today, if we have
Speaker 1: to this is breaking news. I have not even announced
Speaker 1: this on my show yet. I'll make a plan at
Speaker 1: this moment between with the total of co sponsors for
Speaker 1: HR forty, the reparations built, and the total of committed
Speaker 1: yes votes is two hundred fourteen, which means we are
Speaker 1: eight votes from passage. Of HR forty. Now, what usually
Speaker 1: happens in that situation is when it's that close, it's
Speaker 1: like it wasn't Build Back Better. They didn't have all
Speaker 1: the votes to build Back Better in the House. So
Speaker 1: what the leadership then does is they go and they whip,
Speaker 1: they get the last few they need, and they do
Speaker 1: whatever they need to do. Twist time, say hey, come
Speaker 1: with the caucus. Some Democrats are afraid. It is the irony.
Speaker 1: You got two hundred and fourteen people on the bill,
Speaker 1: but yet there's a small number who are afraid, Well,
Speaker 1: if you do this, we pass reparations that's going to
Speaker 1: hurt us in in vulnerable and competitive districts. But two
Speaker 1: hundred fourteen year all on the build and the two
Speaker 1: hundred fourteen members of the Congressional Black Caucus. This is
Speaker 1: a majority of white members of Congress that support HR forty.
Speaker 1: So what's what's the big deal? So we got to
Speaker 1: deal with that, and then really the whole jig is up.
Speaker 1: We hope that happens back the end of the month.
Speaker 1: But just like build back Better, build back Better has
Speaker 1: to happen bay the end of the month. And also
Speaker 1: either John Lewis for the people of freedom to vote,
Speaker 1: which was the Mansion compromise. All of those would address
Speaker 1: the jerrymandering and rot to suppression. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you got states like Ohio jerrymandering eighty percent, for Trump's
Speaker 1: North Carolina jereymandering seventy eight percent. I don't mean I
Speaker 1: for Trump for Republican House seats, Texas sixty five percent
Speaker 1: for Republican House seats. All of these states Ohio, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and Texas Trump barely won, barely states that Biden one
Speaker 1: Georgia jeremandering sixty four Republican House seats. One Wisconsin jeremandering
Speaker 1: seventy five percent Republican House seats. So this is this
Speaker 1: is existential. They can they have the ability to jerrymander
Speaker 1: themselves a House majority without people voting them out. And
Speaker 1: I hope I made that clear. They create more Republican
Speaker 1: districts that we definitely can win in and then they
Speaker 1: get a House majority. Mansion is doing that, and how
Speaker 1: one person still how the White House and no one
Speaker 1: else has figured out how to prevent one person from
Speaker 1: having that power, And it's got to happen this month.
Speaker 1: So December is do a dad for the Democrats. You know.
Speaker 1: It's so I don't think you know, you use the
Speaker 1: word existential, and that is absolutely the right word to use.
Speaker 1: And the fact is is that I don't believe that
Speaker 1: people across the country, regular Americans, understand exactly what an
Speaker 1: existential threat this is. I think that right now, even
Speaker 1: with what the Supreme Court is doing with the gutting,
Speaker 1: completely dismantling of Roev Wade, I put up a map
Speaker 1: the other day on you on Instagram that shows exactly
Speaker 1: what the country will look like in a post Rob
Speaker 1: Wade world, and it is like about ten states that
Speaker 1: women are going to be able to get an abortion
Speaker 1: in and it is going to be outlawed because what
Speaker 1: people don't know is that they have trigger laws that
Speaker 1: are in place that if you move viability right of
Speaker 1: a collection of sales, if you move viability from twenty
Speaker 1: four weeks right to fifteen, then there's no reason why
Speaker 1: it won't be ten, it won't be nine, it won't
Speaker 1: be a week, right. And so these trigger laws that
Speaker 1: folks in the South and across the Midwest have are
Speaker 1: just itching and waiting. And the thing that I have
Speaker 1: put up and said is that if you think this
Speaker 1: stops at Roe v. Wade, You are out of your mind.
Speaker 1: This just this Robert's Court is the reason why we
Speaker 1: have over four hundred bills right now right across the
Speaker 1: country that are about jerrymandering and voter suppression. It's because
Speaker 1: of the decision that was made right to end preclearance
Speaker 1: for historically racist states in this country. Roberts wanted us
Speaker 1: to believe. At what Rachel Madao how said on the
Speaker 1: election out of Obama, Oh, we're post racial, so we
Speaker 1: don't need to have the same preclearance when these historically
Speaker 1: racist states that have been ground zero for domestic terrorism
Speaker 1: in this country. Oh, they don't need anymore oversight when
Speaker 1: they decide to change your voter suppression laws. As soon
Speaker 1: as that became the new law of the land, as
Speaker 1: soon as we hollowed out this nineteen forty nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four Act, Republicans the salivating that we have seen right
Speaker 1: the chomping at the bit to undermine our democracy and
Speaker 1: to literally silence the voices of the majority of this country.
Speaker 1: You see, because when when we all got the alert
Speaker 1: that twenty thirty, twenty fifty it was going to be
Speaker 1: majority minority, right, majority bipop people in this country, right,
Speaker 1: we're all sitting around applauding and getting excited. They got actionable,
Speaker 1: the white supremacy got actionable. And so if this is
Speaker 1: what it looks like when we have the House, the Senate,
Speaker 1: and the White House, what do we think it's gonna
Speaker 1: look like when they take back the House and the
Speaker 1: Senate in twenty twenty two. And they're not even doing
Speaker 1: it on any policy. They're just doing it on saying
Speaker 1: we're about white supremacy. We're about no mandates whatsoever unless
Speaker 1: we are mandating what a woman can and cannot do
Speaker 1: with her reproductive health. You know, you're right. That Row
Speaker 1: piece was pretty a devastating display of just subjugation. And
Speaker 1: then the Mississippi ag comparing Road to Plussy versus Ferguson.
Speaker 1: And I think that Justice Sotomayor probably gave one of
Speaker 1: the the will go down in history as one of
Speaker 1: the greatest quotes in the history of the Screen Court
Speaker 1: when she said this looks too political? What will the
Speaker 1: result of the stench be from making these types of decisions?
Speaker 1: But let gonna tell you last night, I'm on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I started to call you, see if you got your
Speaker 1: passport ready? I was like, let's go to Poland. Then
Speaker 1: people in the streets. It looks like the million man
Speaker 1: March and the march Women's March all together at the
Speaker 1: same time in Poland right now for the same reason.
Speaker 1: Because they're trying to outlaw a bush. They are in
Speaker 1: the streets. So now if we were to do that
Speaker 1: in this country, if they really go back against Row
Speaker 1: and see women, this is where y'all come in. Take
Speaker 1: something right now, Women can change his whole thing. That's
Speaker 1: the only saving grace. If they reverse Row Danielle and
Speaker 1: then women respond on Moss at the polls and elsewhere,
Speaker 1: that might be the only thing that keeps them out
Speaker 1: of the majority. To me, that's a big gamble for
Speaker 1: them because I mean, do you want to awaken this
Speaker 1: sleeping giant, And by sleeping, I mean women have yet
Speaker 1: as an electorate. They did it in twenty twenty. That's
Speaker 1: why Biden's a women decide, Okay, we finish the Trump.
Speaker 1: But then they decided to come back in Kentucky and
Speaker 1: let us know, that's just we just want to get
Speaker 1: rid of Trump, but we'll deal with moderately racist people.
Speaker 1: But women have got to decide as the majority of
Speaker 1: people in this country the majority of electorate, are you
Speaker 1: going to allow them to take away your reproductive rights?
Speaker 1: It's tricky because for a segment of the white women's electorate,
Speaker 1: things go back to the way they were before Row.
Speaker 1: They can still get abortions because they can afford to
Speaker 1: go somewhere and get them. So the question is will
Speaker 1: they stand up for women who afford that writes privacy?
Speaker 1: And and and just one more thing, it ain't just about
Speaker 1: a bostion, y'all, As Danielle said, it's a slippery slope
Speaker 1: to everything else. See see folks saw them take away
Speaker 1: the chief extract the teeth from the Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 1: and nobody thought would they might do the same thing
Speaker 1: the road or the same sex or the marriage equality.
Speaker 1: But that's what they do. They start in one place
Speaker 1: and then they started coming for everything. If y'all think
Speaker 1: that you don't think they can, they can reconsider and
Speaker 1: see some people on the front line and order to
Speaker 1: get that. They already bracing for them to come back
Speaker 1: to marriage equality. Even so, so you know this is
Speaker 1: this is that we cannot rest. This is the war
Speaker 1: we're in and we people have got to stop being
Speaker 1: radicalized by false issues like critical race theory. That's not
Speaker 1: real right now. It's about critical voter suppression theory, critical
Speaker 1: women's rights to their own body. That's the real stuff.
Speaker 1: But they want to distract you, oh Market Danielle trying
Speaker 1: to get a critical race theory in the school. No, no no,
Speaker 1: we're not trying to get critic race theory ain't in
Speaker 1: the schools. It never was. And if anything, the movement
Speaker 1: that we had back in the nineties, late eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties around changing curriculum, African center curriculum, multicultural curriculum, we
Speaker 1: lost that battle. They beat us on that, and so
Speaker 1: we would have been the ones to bringing that back up,
Speaker 1: y'all bringing up critical race theory to use it as
Speaker 1: a you know, a foil to mobilize white fear, to
Speaker 1: stoke white fear for no reason at all. You know.
Speaker 1: The reality here too, is that you want to go
Speaker 1: back to marriage equality. And I tweeted and I said,
Speaker 1: I want you to recognize ROPI Wade has been around
Speaker 1: for forty eight years, right and you're looking, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: go back to Brown versus the Board of Education. If
Speaker 1: you think that that isn't going to be up on
Speaker 1: the chopping blocks and I said, everything that you think
Speaker 1: was codified into law is the quote unquote law of
Speaker 1: the land became up for grabs when Mitch McConnell stole
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland's Supreme Court seat and then got too additional, right,
Speaker 1: got too additional. That's what happened. You have three over
Speaker 1: three hundred federal judges that were put that were put
Speaker 1: in by Donald Trump, many of which the American Bar
Speaker 1: Association said are not even qualified. And then you have
Speaker 1: three Supreme Court justices that were also put in by Trump.
Speaker 1: People think that getting rid of Trump was going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, our saving grace. Trump Ism has now is
Speaker 1: going to be here for generations. Right, Kids that are
Speaker 1: not even born are going to have to live under
Speaker 1: Trump is m because of what Mitch McConnell was able
Speaker 1: to do to the courts and what we allowed him
Speaker 1: to do because there was room there for pushback, there
Speaker 1: was room there for lawsuits, there was room there. But Obama,
Speaker 1: you know, SETA, I don't want to ruffle feathers. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do I don't you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be up in arms around this. You know,
Speaker 1: we can still collaborate with people who have been at
Speaker 1: war with you, and again you use the exact right
Speaker 1: word war. This is the war that we are in.
Speaker 1: They have been waging a non violent civil war that
Speaker 1: just recently, with Kyle Rittenhouse being the first shot literally
Speaker 1: over the ball right, has turned violent. You have Paul
Speaker 1: Goser in Congress, a congressman putting out violent anime of
Speaker 1: him murdering one of his colleagues. Where do folks think
Speaker 1: that this is going? You have Marjorie Taylor Green with
Speaker 1: an ar fifteen, sunglasses on, and and and and gun
Speaker 1: shots behind her again with the faces of her colleagues.
Speaker 1: So we keep wanting to believe and operate in this
Speaker 1: did this false reality that we are in a two
Speaker 1: party system where you have Republicans that believe in the
Speaker 1: success of the country regardless of who is at the
Speaker 1: helm of it. And what Republicans have been telling us
Speaker 1: and showing us since two thousand and eight is that
Speaker 1: they don't want the country to succeed, that they benefit
Speaker 1: more if it is in peril, right, because they're able
Speaker 1: to hold power, grab power, and scare the shit out
Speaker 1: of people into believing that somebody's coming to take your guns.
Speaker 1: A black man's gonna marry your white daughter, and like
Speaker 1: all hell is going to break loose. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, this is where we are. Mark, you brought up.
Speaker 1: We had a school shooting, right enough, This was according
Speaker 1: to analysts who do guns gun rights. This was the
Speaker 1: twenty eighth school shooting this school year. It's December. It's December,
Speaker 1: schools at school, it's only been in session for four
Speaker 1: damn months, and it's the twenty eighth. One four kids
Speaker 1: are dead. Right, But you have parents, you have white
Speaker 1: parents in the Midwestern, in the South, wanted to protests
Speaker 1: at school boards for mass mandates that they think will
Speaker 1: traumatize their kids. Where the fuck are the protests for
Speaker 1: not sending your kids to school? In a hal of bullets?
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right because because that's the
Speaker 1: culture of America. Bullets. Okay, we're good with that. We
Speaker 1: can have bullets. It turns out the mother of the
Speaker 1: shooter thank Trump for the right to bear arms in
Speaker 1: a twenty sixteen open letter. This is the culture. This
Speaker 1: is this is the culture of America. Violence, intimidation, the romanticization.
Speaker 1: These people still romantics as Jane where six, They don't
Speaker 1: see anything wrong with they still see that as okay.
Speaker 1: They they mark, they romanticize and still perform the Civil War.
Speaker 1: They have Civil War reenactments. Of course they are about
Speaker 1: to there. Of course they are still romanticizing January six
Speaker 1: because they think that those motherfuckers were patriots right, like
Speaker 1: they are patriots. They stood up for what was right.
Speaker 1: You have Kyle Rittenhouse that killed two people. Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 1: Green's trying to give him a Congressional Medal of Freedom.
Speaker 1: You have you have members of Congress that are want
Speaker 1: arm Russell to make and to make yeah, and to
Speaker 1: make him a congressional intern. So if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: a woman of color and I'm working on Capitol Hill,
Speaker 1: if I'm Alexandrio Cassio Cortez, a representative ilhan Omar, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about bringing in a murderer to come and
Speaker 1: work on Capitol Hill, and then you're threat and then
Speaker 1: you're sending out violent anime videos to why are we
Speaker 1: still acting like this Republican Party is a is a
Speaker 1: party of opposed ideology when when what they are is
Speaker 1: a terrorist organization that is very well funded by the
Speaker 1: fucking taxpayers. That's the conversation that I want to see
Speaker 1: and be having in mainstream media when they're still bringing
Speaker 1: on Republican representatives talking about, Oh, I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be gumming up the works. They are literally organizing
Speaker 1: an army of the unvaccinated and literally organizing militias to
Speaker 1: come take this country back. But we want to we
Speaker 1: want to pretend right now that the biggest problem that
Speaker 1: we're dealing with is an impending government shut down. When
Speaker 1: they are trying to shut democracy down, let me be
Speaker 1: the grinch, because it's beginning to look a lot like
Speaker 1: autocracy everywhere. You look like I mean it to me,
Speaker 1: you know, And I want to I want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts and reflections too, on the recent cases that
Speaker 1: we followed with regard to the McMichaels right in the
Speaker 1: killing of amand Aubrey, who were found guilty on pretty
Speaker 1: much all counts to the written House case right. And
Speaker 1: what I have said on wok AF so many times
Speaker 1: is that you know, White America loves to see this
Speaker 1: like kind of cancel out approach, right so that they
Speaker 1: can continue to believe that the justice system actually works,
Speaker 1: when in fact it does not. Because the fact that
Speaker 1: we were praying right for a guilty verdict in the
Speaker 1: McMichael's case when it was so evident, right what happened,
Speaker 1: and that if it had not been for people uprising,
Speaker 1: for people marching right, that two da and the cops
Speaker 1: in Georgia sent the McMichaels home with blood on them,
Speaker 1: talking about go along with your day, right, there would
Speaker 1: have been no trial. There would have been no guilty verdict.
Speaker 1: And I had to remind folks of that that wanted
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, at least justice was served in
Speaker 1: this case. What the fuck are you talking about justice?
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Right? And so you know, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts when we have these two very clear cases.
Speaker 1: And again, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't kill black people. He killed
Speaker 1: white folks. He killed the white folks allies, just like
Speaker 1: they were killing white folks you know during the civil
Speaker 1: the civil rights you know, bus tours into the South,
Speaker 1: ripping people up and tearing them off of the buses,
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of them, blowing them up. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's the freedom writers,
Speaker 1: it's the same, it's the same situation. And they weren't
Speaker 1: convicted then and they're not being convicted now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is. I mean, all of that is true, all
Speaker 1: of that is real. The thing is that it's hard
Speaker 1: for us to feel but so much relief from the
Speaker 1: McMichael's trial when we know that a man never should
Speaker 1: have been killed in the first place in your right.
Speaker 1: It was just really prayer and grace and intervention that
Speaker 1: those charges we've brought people had to go down to Georgia.
Speaker 1: And that's why the defense atternity didn't want any of
Speaker 1: us down there. And he preaches any leaders, any civil
Speaker 1: rights folk, any activists, because if it had not been
Speaker 1: for that type of activism, that other prosecutor never would
Speaker 1: have gotten called out. This case would have never have
Speaker 1: been seen. And it really been shade them because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this and the timing, folks,
Speaker 1: our Bury was before Floyd yep now and people may
Speaker 1: not remember this now because we we would would you
Speaker 1: go back to remember it's stuck in the house, our
Speaker 1: Bury happens and that video was on a loop these
Speaker 1: and it really traumatized the whole country. I mean, I
Speaker 1: had white folks, I didn't heard the front of them
Speaker 1: me years. I didn't heard white folks don't even like me, man,
Speaker 1: We gotta talk it's what you want to talk to
Speaker 1: me for. I can't believe this, this, this stuff still happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been trying to tell you all that, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean it really mucked people up, right, and then
Speaker 1: comes Floyd to just put the you know, put it
Speaker 1: the exclamation point on it. And then right after that
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor. That was the summer y'all of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: um and as traumatic as those first Army and it
Speaker 1: was so bad. Remember there was even a movement to
Speaker 1: get people don't show the video anymore. It's too traumatic,
Speaker 1: too triggering. It's dishonoring the victim about that because because
Speaker 1: maybe il Mobile put Im Matill's pictures out there for
Speaker 1: the people with world to see, so I don't there's
Speaker 1: a thin line between that and something else. But be
Speaker 1: that as it may. It was taken down and then
Speaker 1: nothing was still going to happen. Nothing was going to happen.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the reality of everyday life
Speaker 1: in America that we have to pray that our sons
Speaker 1: and daughters are not pursued and killed in this way.
Speaker 1: It is that is something we wake up every moore
Speaker 1: and as black people that crosses our minds that this
Speaker 1: could happen this and then you, like you said, you
Speaker 1: get written house. Well, yeah, he killed a couple of
Speaker 1: white people, but these were people who were um demonstrating
Speaker 1: in support of Black Lives matter. Yeah, and he could
Speaker 1: have very easily killed two black people. Could have killed anybody,
Speaker 1: and he might and others might. Ye, there may be
Speaker 1: more written houses because you you've even got laws now.
Speaker 1: One of the things colored change is fighting. You've even
Speaker 1: got laws now that encourage people to harm First Amendment protesters.
Speaker 1: That's scary. So how many amendments are there? How many
Speaker 1: amendments in the bill rights? I don't remember ten twelve
Speaker 1: I came in, Okay, ten amendments. I think, Um, this
Speaker 1: ain't amendment two, three, four or five. This amendment one,
Speaker 1: very first amendment is the right to as symbol right one.
Speaker 1: They didn't put it on the list priority, they didn't
Speaker 1: put it down nine ten. It is one. And they're
Speaker 1: saying now that you can be a written house, you
Speaker 1: can you can kill they have a First Amendment rights protests,
Speaker 1: you have a First Amendment right to kill them. That's
Speaker 1: what happened with Heather Higher in Charlottesville, and that's to
Speaker 1: scare us. And it is scared because anyway that could
Speaker 1: be any one of us, any the car can run
Speaker 1: over us in a demonstration. I mean that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the santis. That's what he passed, right
Speaker 1: that if if if, if you are shutting down because
Speaker 1: what had become effective if folks remember back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, what had become effective was shutting down the highways,
Speaker 1: shutting down the roads, you know, uh, in order to
Speaker 1: in order to protest, right, if I got to live
Speaker 1: a life of being traumatized, right, then I'm gonna inconvenience you.
Speaker 1: How about that? Because racism, systemic racism is fucking inconvenient
Speaker 1: to me. Right. And so then you have all these
Speaker 1: slew of Republican governors and mayors being like, oh no,
Speaker 1: kill him, right and and nothing will happened to you.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Donald Trump had said at
Speaker 1: his rallies during the twenty sixteen presidential election. Rough him up,
Speaker 1: kill him, knock him out, I'll pay your legal fees, right,
Speaker 1: And so that this is the thing when you said
Speaker 1: at the beginning, you know, we because we do not
Speaker 1: control the media, right, Black and brown people have always
Speaker 1: been presented as if we are the We are the
Speaker 1: violent ones that need to be subdued, that need to
Speaker 1: be put down, We are the animals. Right, But if
Speaker 1: you actually look at the history of violence in this country,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is at the helm of it? From
Speaker 1: the trail a Teers to hundreds of years of it
Speaker 1: slavery right to then a hundred years of Jim Crowe.
Speaker 1: Who is the one that is wielding the power of
Speaker 1: terror and violence in this country? It is White America.
Speaker 1: But because they're the ones that are in control and
Speaker 1: are the ones that get to tell the narrative, that
Speaker 1: get to write the history, that get to decide who
Speaker 1: and when and how it's taught, they get to say
Speaker 1: that it's us that we are. We we have to
Speaker 1: act in reaction to and in protection of our land,
Speaker 1: our home, our property, because without such they'll run them up.
Speaker 1: There'll be a whole revolt. Right. Why all the black
Speaker 1: kids can't sit together in the cafeteria, Why black people
Speaker 1: can't gather without being passed by police on the fucking street,
Speaker 1: going all the way back to slavery. No, No, because
Speaker 1: too many black people and brown people together talking, they
Speaker 1: must be trying to overthrow the system. And in this
Speaker 1: fucking case, I absolutely am eh ah overthrow. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I don't know when we're going to overcome Mark,
Speaker 1: So so my feeling, right, You've been working to overcome,
Speaker 1: You've been marching and preaching to overcome, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I am ready to overthrow because I I don't see
Speaker 1: I feel And this is you know, one of the
Speaker 1: last questions for you is that, like, do you see
Speaker 1: an option? As we are headed into this new year,
Speaker 1: to this election year, to this cycle, we have a
Speaker 1: new variant right of COVID nineteen. We got federal judges
Speaker 1: that are blocking the president's vaccine mandates to just ensure
Speaker 1: that COVID continues to mutate on itself every single moment. Right.
Speaker 1: We have killers that are being allowed to you know,
Speaker 1: walk the streets in attend college and just act as
Speaker 1: if all is okay. Right, we got gun violence running
Speaker 1: them up, I mean, we got abortion on the line, Like,
Speaker 1: where do you see because tell me, where do you
Speaker 1: see the hope As we're getting ready to turn this
Speaker 1: calendar year of our ability to fight back against what
Speaker 1: I am seeing as the inevitable, Well, I think that
Speaker 1: this is a very interesting question. You're asking the hope
Speaker 1: in our ability to fight back. Part of the problem
Speaker 1: and part of the culture in America is that it
Speaker 1: promote and encourage promotes and encourages apathy. If we could
Speaker 1: get a vaccine for apathy, we could slay all these dragons.
Speaker 1: But but but we don't. We don't have one. And
Speaker 1: when the when those who are oppressed, be the African Americans,
Speaker 1: or immigrants, or women or LGBT who whatever group is
Speaker 1: dealing with oppression, and then the overarching oppression for all
Speaker 1: of these people. One of the things I think Bishop
Speaker 1: Barbera does is it point out how all of us
Speaker 1: in middle class are really de facto working poor. So
Speaker 1: when you don't have anybody you're just trying to make it,
Speaker 1: it's even more challenging to fight back and do the
Speaker 1: very overthrow you're talking about. It. It's not always as
Speaker 1: many because everybody's just literally struggling to try to make
Speaker 1: ends meet. And that's how they control us. That's what
Speaker 1: capitalism does. We've got to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: enable people to get out here and still provide for
Speaker 1: their families minimally, but at the same time get in
Speaker 1: the streets other cultures do it. We in this country
Speaker 1: somehow tend to be more placated by certain things that
Speaker 1: distract us from doing that. We look at the country
Speaker 1: trying where folks get down the street, they shut it down.
Speaker 1: What you're saying overthrow. We may have to get to
Speaker 1: that point, and it may take it may take role,
Speaker 1: because I do think women play an important role in this,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, if women got
Speaker 1: organized and mobilized, it would make a great deal difference,
Speaker 1: especially young women. It may take something like road to
Speaker 1: get that done. But but there's the hope and the
Speaker 1: ability for me is that I know that we have
Speaker 1: the capacity to do it. The question is whether or
Speaker 1: not we have the resources and the energy. Just for example,
Speaker 1: and this is not what I'm about to say. It's
Speaker 1: not even revolutionary what you're talking about. And I'm totally
Speaker 1: about revolutionary. But see even in my case, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a younger man, not that I'm not
Speaker 1: still young, I would talk more and more about revolution.
Speaker 1: Ready for the revolution. That's how Climy Tira used to
Speaker 1: always greet people when he answer the phone, Ready for
Speaker 1: the revolution. Ready for the revolution. But when you're out
Speaker 1: here moving around. You have to stay within the context
Speaker 1: of where the people are. Well, I was, we don't
Speaker 1: on people saying that, so what about Nobody else was
Speaker 1: talking about revolution, So we kind of had to work
Speaker 1: within the confines of what people will and capacity was okay,
Speaker 1: So now if we could just do this one thing,
Speaker 1: figure out a way for there to be universal voter registration,
Speaker 1: and by that, I mean if we we did it ourselves,
Speaker 1: like everyone just said, you know what, I'm mixture, I'm
Speaker 1: registered and I'm gonna go vote, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: just gonna vote federal elections. I'm gonna vote down to
Speaker 1: the ballot. See we had voted more down to ballot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would control more state legislatures and then affect this redistrict.
Speaker 1: But we didn't have to compet the the the whatever
Speaker 1: the political culture is right now. It was too much.
Speaker 1: It's got trum tum trump, tump Trump, tump Trump. We
Speaker 1: got to get Trump out. There was not enough bandwidth
Speaker 1: for people to be organized and for people to receive
Speaker 1: We can you just do Trump. We gotta do the
Speaker 1: state thing too. That was that was hard for people
Speaker 1: to get their minds around. Um. But if we stayed
Speaker 1: in the streets, if we made this country ungovernable and
Speaker 1: the people like us who are just just waiting, we're
Speaker 1: holding the fort until everybody else gets there. But we've
Speaker 1: got to get there. We people have got to figure
Speaker 1: out a where to get mobilized. And I think it's
Speaker 1: not it's not a scare tactic to say, y'all, we
Speaker 1: could be looking at Republican leadership, Republican control of government again.
Speaker 1: We could be we always have controlled the Senate, I
Speaker 1: mean of the Scotus of the Supreme Court for generation.
Speaker 1: We could be looking at it in the House and Senate.
Speaker 1: And then I mean Trump could go back and win
Speaker 1: the White House again. Yeah, before we go sat the
Speaker 1: issue about that, what do you think about the way
Speaker 1: the media is kneecapping Kamala Harris. They want to make
Speaker 1: sure that somebody who looks like you but not even
Speaker 1: think about running for president or being the person to
Speaker 1: succeed Joe Biden. Yeah, you know, I have been wondering
Speaker 1: for quite some time where the hell Kamala Harris has been? Right?
Speaker 1: I had joked and I had said, you know, on
Speaker 1: woke af many of times I'm just like, should we
Speaker 1: put her on a Milk Carton because I am unclear
Speaker 1: about what the administration is doing to utilize one of
Speaker 1: their best weapons against the Republicans. Now, if folks remember
Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris's campaign slogan was prosecuting the case against
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, now there is no reason that following the
Speaker 1: insurrection that the former attorney general of the largest state
Speaker 1: in the country was not out front reeling again, railing
Speaker 1: against all of the Republican obstruction, the criminality, and allowing
Speaker 1: her to do what she did across the country. To
Speaker 1: Bill Barr during his confirmation, hearing like, you think we're dumb, right,
Speaker 1: you think that we're not paying at men. Right, they
Speaker 1: are not allowing her to do that, and it is
Speaker 1: the administration's fault because I'm almost like they wanted us
Speaker 1: to be really excited about the fact that a black woman,
Speaker 1: a woman of color, Asian Pacific Island or woman was
Speaker 1: going to be vice president of the United States, and
Speaker 1: then they wanted to hide her so as not to
Speaker 1: what remind white people that there's a there's a woman
Speaker 1: of color that is vice president a heartbeat away from
Speaker 1: the from the presidency. So I'm like you, it is
Speaker 1: it's not just the media because this administration is not
Speaker 1: utilizing and now rumors are swirling. You have Simone Sanders
Speaker 1: that just announced that she's going to be leaving the office.
Speaker 1: You have Ashley etn who is her communications director, that
Speaker 1: is also going to be leaving. And this is just
Speaker 1: the first two a very high profile losses from the
Speaker 1: Vice President's office. So I'm saying to myself, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on? So on one hand, it isn't
Speaker 1: just the media. The media is always going to do
Speaker 1: what the media does to black women and black people, right,
Speaker 1: like that's that is a given. But this is what
Speaker 1: is the administration doing to support and uplift and put
Speaker 1: her in a position to win. And instead of having
Speaker 1: this fraught, faux competition between a Pete Buddha edge right
Speaker 1: and a Kamala Harris, like who is twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: going to be about? And I'm saying, she needs to
Speaker 1: take her voice back right and command a presence that
Speaker 1: is not worried about what the reaction is going to
Speaker 1: be from the right, but it is about what we
Speaker 1: are doing right now in the moment, in the present time,
Speaker 1: as they are stealing our democracy and broad goddamn daylight. Well,
Speaker 1: I know why you haven't heard it from and you
Speaker 1: know it too. They think about this. Just remind everyone.
Speaker 1: Right before she was selected, the characterization is made that
Speaker 1: she's too ambitious. And if you notice ever since then,
Speaker 1: it's almost as if his deal was cut that okay,
Speaker 1: after black women and black men got together and said,
Speaker 1: that's out of the question, you better pick her now.
Speaker 1: So after he was forced to pick her because she
Speaker 1: was not the first choice by anybody on the Biden team, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sure deal was cut that said, now we do
Speaker 1: think you too ambitious. It's out there, end of public,
Speaker 1: so you better not be ambitious. And so she's she's
Speaker 1: she was sabotaged from the very beginning. And and and
Speaker 1: can't really, I mean she is. And vice presidents of
Speaker 1: vice president. Vice presidents are going to vice president, right.
Speaker 1: Vice presidents do this. They the tradition is you just
Speaker 1: kind of stay in your place and you do whatever
Speaker 1: the president says. I get all of that. But then
Speaker 1: if you're a white male vice president, there's a runway
Speaker 1: that's laid out for you to be able to build
Speaker 1: a case for you to be the successor, all right,
Speaker 1: and that opportunity is not there for her. The prominent
Speaker 1: black staffers that are leaving. I have no idea, but
Speaker 1: I think too it when you start out, um, eating
Speaker 1: the fruit from the poisonous trees. She's ambitious, then there's
Speaker 1: term there's a culture of term will. So you know, ambitious,
Speaker 1: ambitious and ambitiousness is a term that's used every day
Speaker 1: to kneecap black women. So it's interesting that these other
Speaker 1: people are leaving or were they too ambitious? And and
Speaker 1: and and and and when she set that up, you know,
Speaker 1: they can't hire Daniel Moody Mills. Look how you talking
Speaker 1: on the show today. You can't go work in the
Speaker 1: White House if they think black women are too ambitious,
Speaker 1: and and I know what I'm saying is you couldn't
Speaker 1: go there and be Daniel Moody Mills. So so the
Speaker 1: question is, could could Kamala can't be Kamala? Could Ashley
Speaker 1: not be Askeley? Could Simone not be Simone? And you
Speaker 1: just have a great big deal of dysfunction. But here's
Speaker 1: the other thing, as we know, um yeah, yeah, Politico,
Speaker 1: which has now been brought on control back conservatives, is
Speaker 1: leading and it's still considered one of the leading Beltway
Speaker 1: prognosticating or it's like you know the belt Way Book,
Speaker 1: the Oracle. Yeah, they have been consistently hitting her, hitting her,
Speaker 1: hitting her here, and we've even heard that black folk
Speaker 1: over there, who in order to keep their jobs have
Speaker 1: to join in with that. And it's a struggle internally
Speaker 1: there because Political has made it their business to take
Speaker 1: out Kamala Harris. Now, to be fair, if I'm Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris and other people who support her there and you've
Speaker 1: got I mean, it's unfair. But if it's Simone Sanders
Speaker 1: and Ashley's job, Ashley at Tenney's job to fix that,
Speaker 1: to combat that, to come up with a strategy to
Speaker 1: end that, and people in there throwing blamee. That's that's
Speaker 1: what coin Chell pro does. It has us all fighting
Speaker 1: against each other, right, and I'm sure that is what
Speaker 1: is happening because they have fostered that atmosphere. Political is
Speaker 1: foster the atmosphere in the West wing. So now they're
Speaker 1: probably people pointing, but you gotta do this, you gotta
Speaker 1: do this, you gotta stop this, you gotta stop that.
Speaker 1: And now mind you, it used to be a time
Speaker 1: when we get a phone call on wokf on making plain, Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Kamala Harris, let's get her side of
Speaker 1: the story. But you know, let's tuck her away, let's
Speaker 1: not do anything. She is under ongoing, fierce attack. And
Speaker 1: that also makes the hiding, I think, unfortunately, self fulfilling prophecy,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to come out because you know,
Speaker 1: what did you say? She smiled too much? Or she
Speaker 1: didn't do this right, she didn't shake the hand the
Speaker 1: right way. I mean, it's it's they political is ready
Speaker 1: to expect it from Fox News, but political pounces on
Speaker 1: her every single day. And and let me tell you
Speaker 1: something unconfirmed. I can't confirm this, but there are some
Speaker 1: rumors that Ashley and Simone were not They didn't just
Speaker 1: leave in a huff of anger or resign, that they
Speaker 1: were fired. And it was, and it was simply because
Speaker 1: of Washington calculus. If you're my communications person and you
Speaker 1: can't fix my communications problem, you lose your job. That's
Speaker 1: just That's just what it is. And what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: even if whatever the case may be, the problem is
Speaker 1: not internal to Kamala Harris or Ashley or Simone anybody
Speaker 1: else in the this he then it may be some
Speaker 1: folks on the inside, you know, because those are two
Speaker 1: black women hold out other folks in their way, and
Speaker 1: they'd probably some of the same people that came from
Speaker 1: the team. Even if it's one I'm gonna take it
Speaker 1: one mold who agreed with too ambitious. We didn't really
Speaker 1: want her. We wanted Gretchen Whitman. We wanted would even
Speaker 1: take away from her. We wanted Susan Rice. That's what
Speaker 1: this was going. And so people are left back. That's
Speaker 1: what politics is. People are left then to sabotage you
Speaker 1: in your term. And then you know who knows, they
Speaker 1: may not even a person whose name and he may
Speaker 1: be low level on the totem poet. It keeps you know,
Speaker 1: this and this instigation. So then you got black women
Speaker 1: being pitted against each other and it's just confusion in
Speaker 1: Politico some and somebody in there talking to political right.
Speaker 1: So that's not good. So I think that it's it's
Speaker 1: very complicated in you're right, it's it's unfortunate um um enclosing. Uh.
Speaker 1: There needs to be a cease and deceased to desist
Speaker 1: from a different culture towards this black woman vice president,
Speaker 1: from a culture of a regular every day white man
Speaker 1: vice president. Treat her like that, treat her office like that,
Speaker 1: cover her the the way this would this? Did Algoy
Speaker 1: go through this? Did Richard Nixon go through this when
Speaker 1: he was vice president running againt John F. Kennedy? You know,
Speaker 1: I did Walter Mindale go through this? None of these
Speaker 1: vice presidents, Hubert Humphrey, none of them went through this.
Speaker 1: But as soon as a black woman comes in there,
Speaker 1: that did Kamala fire et Tna and Sanders did some
Speaker 1: did somebody else? Five? I mean, so it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. And and last I said, I know
Speaker 1: it's gonna say, but NI saying at the end of
Speaker 1: the day too, I want y'all think about this. That
Speaker 1: why the West wing sees bad publicity for a vice president.
Speaker 1: Also it's bad publicity for the incumbent president. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's his final decision. This
Speaker 1: is bad. So I need to nip this in the
Speaker 1: book because this is gonna be used against me because
Speaker 1: then the pressure is gonna come to drop her from
Speaker 1: the ticket if he runs reelection. Put Boodhijair to somebody else.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, don't tell you right now, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna fly. Don't get me wrong. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't dislike Boota Jadge. You know, I think he has
Speaker 1: some qualities. He's a charismatic dude. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: dislike him. Um. And I think he's a worker. I
Speaker 1: think he will do carry out the assignment that is
Speaker 1: given of him. But wouldn't make him any different from
Speaker 1: um someone else who can do that, who is closer
Speaker 1: to the base constituency of the Democratic Party. And and
Speaker 1: Buddha Jedge just has rubbed the African American community the
Speaker 1: wrong way. And then not and even if even if
Speaker 1: it was just benign and I think it largely is.
Speaker 1: He don't motivate nobody. He's not gonna peep. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: bad and Booty we gotta go get pee Booty and
Speaker 1: dud said, but what him you And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you right now, Kamala had her worst day. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: stay if Kama did the worst thing she could do,
Speaker 1: and she's not. But if she made the biggest mistake
Speaker 1: of vice president can make. No one is going up
Speaker 1: by Boota Jadge leap frogging her. No, no, and and
Speaker 1: at like not not not women rit all you know
Speaker 1: at large, like black and brown women, white women, like,
Speaker 1: no woman is going to turn around and be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so yeah, leap frogged a woman and you
Speaker 1: went for the guy like that rubs us all the
Speaker 1: wrong way. Um Mark, as always, I love our supersized
Speaker 1: version of plain as fuck of make it woke. I
Speaker 1: love our monthly crossovers, and I pray to God that
Speaker 1: we will still have a country um in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks when we get to come back and do
Speaker 1: it at the start of twenty twenty two. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope so too. I love it too. It's it's always great.
Speaker 1: We have fun talking to each other. And frankly, I
Speaker 1: you know, on my show, I have guests every day,
Speaker 1: so I rarely get to express my thoughts and prognonstications
Speaker 1: on things. So it's a good sum for me to
Speaker 1: do that, and so I do appreciate it. You're amazing.
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Speaker 1: your American system of government. Merry Christmas, y'all, Mary grades wonderful.
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