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Speaker 3: Evening It publishes, let us be the first to welcome
Speaker 3: you to Monday, June ninth, twenty twenty five. Oh, we're
Speaker 3: still at the beginning of June. Guys, do we have
Speaker 3: any life lessons from our time spent in May?
Speaker 4: I know, I know it had to be May. That's all.
Speaker 5: I Just try your absolute best to stay away from
Speaker 5: Georgia Pollin because my god, well we went through May
Speaker 5: and in April.
Speaker 4: Just cover it touches.
Speaker 3: It's almost as though the climate is changing a little bit,
Speaker 3: or maybe we're getting old. I had a little life
Speaker 3: advice for anybody. This may come in handy for a
Speaker 3: certain percentage of our demographic. This is not news. But folks,
Speaker 3: if you are doing a persona in an unfamiliar situation,
Speaker 3: be very everybody thinks about appearance, but be very careful
Speaker 3: with your voice and your cadence. Because I got made.
Speaker 6: Yeah may he told us that off air, it's always
Speaker 6: cool to get voice clocked.
Speaker 4: Happened to me as well. I was getting a tattoo.
Speaker 6: And guys, did you see that Joey Fatone in Saints
Speaker 6: speaking of It's got to be in May is shilling
Speaker 6: for a red lobster. Now, yeah, I did not, Man, great,
Speaker 6: I saw. You know how all the social media's of
Speaker 6: these big restaurant chains try to get real cute, and
Speaker 6: so they're doing a campaign where it looks like a
Speaker 6: Tiger Beat magazine cover, but it's Joey Fatone just housing
Speaker 6: fried shrimp and just shilling for nineteen ninety nine endless
Speaker 6: shrimp for reading.
Speaker 3: I love that, and you know those chains need the
Speaker 3: help right now. We didn't have this for strange news,
Speaker 3: but McDonald's has suffered the worst US sales decline in
Speaker 3: five years, and they're they're blaming it on anti American
Speaker 3: sentiment and not the fact that the ice cream is
Speaker 3: always broken and the food stuff that.
Speaker 4: Cot well, I think they fixed the ice cream problem.
Speaker 4: They they made so.
Speaker 7: Music conspiracy with the third party, not exactly.
Speaker 6: But also I don't know if you go to mc
Speaker 6: I go to McDonald's every now, and they just won
Speaker 6: in my house, and they really are pushing this like
Speaker 6: are you gonna use your points today?
Speaker 4: And I just want to yeah, get that.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 6: I think most people probably say no, but they ask
Speaker 6: you verbally every single time, So that seems a little
Speaker 6: desperate to me.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean because then massive data collection can
Speaker 3: become an entirely new revenue stream. Also, I didn't know this. Guys.
Speaker 3: Remember Rob Thomas, He's a fan of a show that
Speaker 3: we work with called Wrongful Conviction. Oh cool, of course,
Speaker 3: just mentioning people in that musician mill you. But maybe, look,
Speaker 3: we have a lot that we're going to touch on.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk some dangerous stuff about Disney. We
Speaker 3: are going to have some updates from jail videos and
Speaker 3: the FBI, some talk about our favorite New York City mayor.
Speaker 3: Before we do any of that, maybe we pause for
Speaker 3: a word from our sponsors and then follow up on
Speaker 3: this concept of mass collection of data as a revenue stream.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it, and we have return heard our
Speaker 3: first non McDonald's story this evening. You may have heard
Speaker 3: of a little group called Pallenteer p A l A
Speaker 3: N t R. Now we've talked about these guys a
Speaker 3: little bit in the past. Correct, mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: Only I clearly didn't get the memo because I really
Speaker 6: didn't realize exactly how evil they were until you brought
Speaker 6: this up just now, Ben.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, their actions are evil for sure. And we
Speaker 3: were talking offline and you said, yeah, the stock.
Speaker 4: Is actually doing very I didn't know. Someone just I've
Speaker 4: got a couple of Stock friends that were just like,
Speaker 4: you should get in on this thing.
Speaker 6: It's you know, whatever data, you know, brokering or whatever.
Speaker 6: And I just knew the basics of it. But now
Speaker 6: I'm feeling very on the fence about holding this, so
Speaker 6: I may just let it go, even though, yes, Ben,
Speaker 6: it is doing very well.
Speaker 3: Well. It maybe because they're citing more and more quite
Speaker 3: lucrative government contracts. The head line here. We could go
Speaker 3: to the New Republic for this one. This went live
Speaker 3: on May thirtieth, but people already knew what was happening.
Speaker 3: The current US presidential administration is tapping the tech giant
Speaker 3: Palenteer to create a master database on every single American.
Speaker 3: And this article we're recommending comes from the journalist Hafiz Rashid.
Speaker 3: But before we get into this particular dystopia, let's go
Speaker 3: ahead and note a brief background of Palenteer. So Palenteer
Speaker 3: is what you would call a data and analytics company
Speaker 3: similar to Cambridge Analytica. Check out our episodes on that.
Speaker 3: It was co founded by the current president and a
Speaker 3: big campaign donor named Peter Teel. And what they're doing
Speaker 3: right now is really streamlining and aggregating. If you live
Speaker 3: in the US, you are already we joke about being
Speaker 3: on a list, right, but you're already on so many lists.
Speaker 3: Not all of them are bad. There's just this pedopoly
Speaker 3: of government databases that already have information about you know,
Speaker 3: your bank account number, your medical claims, disabilities, student loan debts.
Speaker 3: It's just not in one central place. So now Pallunteer,
Speaker 3: the stock price might go up because they are going
Speaker 3: to create a master database. This comes to us from
Speaker 3: the New York Times as well, which originally broke the story,
Speaker 3: So let's make sure to shout out the journalist Shira
Speaker 3: Frankel and Aaron Krolik. This dates back to March when
Speaker 3: the current administration signed in executive order the EO, the
Speaker 3: superpower of the President said, look, federal government share data
Speaker 3: across agencies and this is worrisome before for a lot
Speaker 3: of people. Before we go into more of than nitty gritty,
Speaker 3: what's your initial reaction. Do you think a private tech
Speaker 3: company should be tapped to create this master list of
Speaker 3: everyone's everything?
Speaker 6: No, boys, that line gotten blurred between private and public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one vote against.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm for it, guys, what vote I think
Speaker 2: it's I think is very strange the way all of
Speaker 2: this is happening and being rolled out, because it is
Speaker 2: it's a government. It's government money to the tune of
Speaker 2: what almost eight hundred million, like or it's close to that,
Speaker 2: like eight hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's counting. It's a little over because there was
Speaker 3: a do D contract for seven hundred and ninety five
Speaker 3: million that Palenteer got, and then before then, since the
Speaker 3: beginning of the current administration, Palnteer got more than a
Speaker 3: little north of one hundred and thirteen million. Good.
Speaker 2: So, okay, so they're taking in all this money, right,
Speaker 2: they're a private company. They have a piece of software,
Speaker 2: right that basically is this data aggregation thing holding all
Speaker 2: of this data, separating it out, being able to search it,
Speaker 2: right and house it. That's what is it foundry foundry. Okay,
Speaker 2: so they've got this thing. So theoretically what they're doing.
Speaker 2: All they're doing is just going out and talking to
Speaker 2: the other agencies, right, just saying, hey, you should use
Speaker 2: our stuff too, guys, Department of Homeland Security, you're already
Speaker 2: using our stuff. Thanks. And they've got a couple others, right,
Speaker 2: But then they're going to all the other places like
Speaker 2: medicare selective service. So it is, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the nefarious act of building this giant database.
Speaker 2: It feels like a private company just trying to get there.
Speaker 2: They're a version of Adobe software in everywhere or you know.
Speaker 3: All right, so that's a vote for it.
Speaker 6: You're just saying, it's not much different than a lot
Speaker 6: of third party companies whose bread and butter are like
Speaker 6: these suites of tools that giant corporations end up going
Speaker 6: all in behind like.
Speaker 2: They want to everybody have the enterprise version.
Speaker 3: That's right, Like Microsoft does not care if you buy
Speaker 3: an Xbox, you know what I mean, that's not where
Speaker 3: they make their money.
Speaker 2: But how many of those companies use like Windows right, right?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 3: How many? How many companies use you know, as you said,
Speaker 3: enterprise software sort of like a lot of auto or
Speaker 3: vehicle or construction manufacturers make money off fleet deals, right,
Speaker 3: make money off government contracts. You know, it's not gonna
Speaker 3: it's not going to screw them over if you wait
Speaker 3: a year to buy your camera.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, oh so oh just on that too. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't mean to do realist please. Something that's weird
Speaker 2: that I never really thought about. Guys, most vehicles that
Speaker 2: are you know, pass a certain year have a little
Speaker 2: thing attached to the rear view mirror that opens garages,
Speaker 2: and almost all of them are the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Flipper zero is entered the chat said, you're gonna be cool.
Speaker 4: It's really creepy.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, because you can program each one of those
Speaker 2: things to anything that can project a signal out that
Speaker 2: opens garage doors and all. It's all the same.
Speaker 3: Tech and the active monitoring right now, insurance companies. Privatized
Speaker 3: car insurance companies are giving people opt in methods to
Speaker 3: save a little scratch as long as you agree to
Speaker 3: constant monitoring and surveillance. I'm anti surveillance, and I think
Speaker 3: the argument that if you're doing nothing wrong, you should
Speaker 3: have nothing to worry about is intellectually fraudulent. It is
Speaker 3: purposely misleading. So how long before it becomes an opt
Speaker 3: out thing that you pay extra or will people simply
Speaker 3: skip that step? In every car manufactured after insert year
Speaker 3: here is required to have that constant monitoring for security
Speaker 3: and safety purposes, You guys, security and safety the waymos
Speaker 3: are already expanding through Atlanta?
Speaker 4: Are they really really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I saw one. I saw it in the wild, and
Speaker 3: you know what, it almost screwed up at a crosswalk.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the technology will get back.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing though. That's interesting. I heard a
Speaker 6: conversation on a podcast or a YouTube show recently where
Speaker 6: Weymo's been at this for a long time and they're
Speaker 6: still not great. Whereas Tesla is about to unleash their
Speaker 6: cyber taxis on the world, and they're not using infrared
Speaker 6: or whatever it is laser technology.
Speaker 4: They're just using low pixel.
Speaker 6: Count cameras and they haven't really road tested these, and
Speaker 6: we already know the problems with their self driving stuff
Speaker 6: and how self driving has been promised and even their
Speaker 6: flagship vehicles and never fully rolled out as self driving.
Speaker 6: So Elon Musk, like, in an effort to appease stockholders
Speaker 6: or you know, finally keep a promise, is doing this
Speaker 6: with the cyber taxis. And to your point, Ben, the Waimos,
Speaker 6: there's always stories coming out about how they're not great
Speaker 6: and they use much higher tech and have been testing
Speaker 6: for much longer on actual roads.
Speaker 3: And in their defense, I don't like the phrase Devil's advocate.
Speaker 3: I did rewatch the film good. The monologues are great,
Speaker 3: the ending needs some work, but yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it. I've got a word for doing that
Speaker 3: monologue years back. But the point I want to make
Speaker 3: in their defense is that, you know, we have to
Speaker 3: remember it took humans thousands and thousands of years of
Speaker 3: trying to fly and then immediately dying for someone to
Speaker 3: invent a plane. So maybe we're a plane that didn't
Speaker 3: kill you automatically, So maybe we're we're seeing another progression
Speaker 3: in that way. But we've talked about the danger of
Speaker 3: autonomous vehicles, not necessarily just in terms of technology, but
Speaker 3: in terms of what humans do with that technology, that surveillance,
Speaker 3: that ability to shut down a grid during a protest
Speaker 3: such that no one can drive away right or drive
Speaker 3: toward a situation or a conflict. This is one of
Speaker 3: the big concerns. This pollunteer thing happens with a context
Speaker 3: wherein people are legitimate US residents and being deported right
Speaker 3: even with guilt by association, like a family that recently
Speaker 3: got deported. We're seeing the massive unforced error we would
Speaker 3: call that and go the unforced error of creating brain
Speaker 3: drain in the United States by deporting international students who
Speaker 3: legally reside there. We're also seeing the palateer program happening
Speaker 3: in step with the recent report that ICE has accessed
Speaker 3: a nationwide license plate network, which means there's further surveillance
Speaker 3: by ICE.
Speaker 6: We also, I mean, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 6: have ever gotten one of those robotickets where they just
Speaker 6: snap your license plate and then you get something in
Speaker 6: the mail. I mean that tech freaks me out and
Speaker 6: I find it inconvenient. Boy, is it ever hard to
Speaker 6: contest and there's going to come a point where these
Speaker 6: things are impossible to contest. Not to mention, the way
Speaker 6: ICE is scooping up people. Contesting is sort of not
Speaker 6: even part of that deal, at least as far as
Speaker 6: some of the people in power would like it.
Speaker 3: And I want to stay yeah, I hear you. I
Speaker 3: want to stick with this ICE story because the news
Speaker 3: will probably get exaggerated or get spin depending upon who
Speaker 3: who is reporting it or what source. Folks who are
Speaker 3: supportive of ICE are going to say, you know, this
Speaker 3: is ensuring safety, this is helping us with new tools
Speaker 3: to find the bad guys. Folks who are opponents of
Speaker 3: ICE or the current methods of that organization are going
Speaker 3: to say this is further government overreach and what whatever
Speaker 3: the justifications may be, it will be used for something
Speaker 3: nefarious or perhaps indeed unconstitutional in the future. So it's
Speaker 3: important to know the facts. ICE has indirectly accessed an
Speaker 3: outfit called Flock Safety, and they're doing this by mass
Speaker 3: requesting searches through local and state law enforcement agencies. Just
Speaker 3: like the past year, there have been more than four
Speaker 3: thousand immigration related lookups, which means someone doesn't necessarily even
Speaker 3: have a moving violation they just get their license clocked.
Speaker 3: And now imagine that feeding in to the palanteer eye
Speaker 3: of soro on right, and now imagine all the variables
Speaker 3: you can use to target someone you know. Okay, first
Speaker 3: it was people who were illegally in the United States,
Speaker 3: that part is true. But then it becomes people who
Speaker 3: are not US citizens but are legal residents of the
Speaker 3: United States, like kids on a on a student visa.
Speaker 3: And then what comes next? Do we get to people
Speaker 3: who are part of the culture war demographic targets like LGBTQ.
Speaker 3: Does it does it stop? What happens to the professors? Right?
Speaker 3: Does it go further to the professors? How long do
Speaker 3: we have you guys, it's podcasters. They'll get Robert Evans first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, at least before us. Do we think
Speaker 2: the ISPs and like verizons and t mobiles of the
Speaker 2: world are also caught up in all this stuff already
Speaker 2: because of the previous stuff we've talked about, so it
Speaker 2: right now, it's like, if you drive a vehicle, your
Speaker 2: vehicle gets scanned by this flock safety thing. If you've
Speaker 2: got a license plate, even if you don't have a
Speaker 2: license plate, you've got a specific dealer plate or something.
Speaker 2: It's got numbers on it can be tracked. Then you're
Speaker 2: if you're using your cellular device that's being tracked, which people.
Speaker 6: Are all using for data all the time. So there's
Speaker 6: tons of stuff flowing through those networks, right.
Speaker 2: Well, then that number is probably connected to one or
Speaker 2: more of those databases you're talking about. Ben So then
Speaker 2: it literally, it literally is aggregated everything. It's what's that
Speaker 2: movie we always talk about, Minority Reports, that's.
Speaker 3: The minority Yeah, the pre crime calculation. Yeah, shout out
Speaker 3: with Dart. And the thing is, we don't we don't
Speaker 3: need cinematic sci fi dystopia to explain nefarious actions as
Speaker 3: as they occur. Uh, Dystopian society grows gradually one time.
Speaker 3: You know, one day, you rarely get a sudden moment
Speaker 3: of revelation. You turn around one day and you're older
Speaker 3: than you thought you would be, and you don't recognize
Speaker 3: the place you live in anymore.
Speaker 4: It's not that's how it happens. It's not how we
Speaker 4: experience time. It's just kind of like a frog boiling at.
Speaker 2: This situation, right, Y'll be terrifying that there was a
Speaker 2: dystopia button. I mean, I guess nuclear all nuclear war
Speaker 2: is the dystopia button.
Speaker 7: Other than that, it's defined by future historians, and that
Speaker 7: effect or that moment is often achieved in fiction or
Speaker 7: science fiction with the narrative device of time travel, where
Speaker 7: someone steps out of a portal and everything's all.
Speaker 4: Ft up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it usually takes the later work of
Speaker 3: scholars and historians totally, and whomever owns the current prevailing
Speaker 3: Zeitgeister narrative, it takes them to look back and say,
Speaker 3: you know, this is the moment Franz Ferdinand, when Franz
Speaker 3: Ferdinand was assassin with.
Speaker 4: The band Okay, people were.
Speaker 3: Saying, yeah, when the Black Hand assassinated Franz Ferdinand. People
Speaker 3: newspaper reports at the time where of course running the story,
Speaker 3: but they were running other stories too. You know. There
Speaker 3: was a guy who's like, no, the way the world's
Speaker 3: going to end is all these people wanting balustrades. The
Speaker 3: balustrade industry simply can't meet the demand of all these
Speaker 3: people by balustrades. And someone was like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: both sides are correct.
Speaker 6: Archduke kind of became the hot button thing through revisionist history,
Speaker 6: or rather like an assessment of history and trying to
Speaker 6: boil it down to an understandable narrative.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, functions thereof you know, and if we're talking
Speaker 3: about I don't want to go too lower this. If
Speaker 3: we're talking about those apocalyptic moments. One thing we've seen
Speaker 3: often in this show is not just apocalyptic moments defined
Speaker 3: by human society, but defined by the actions of the
Speaker 3: natural world. So if we continue this podcast for the
Speaker 3: next fifteen human years, we may have a follow up
Speaker 3: to a study that recently published that says toxic fungui
Speaker 3: will or fungi your choicers are your own, will threaten
Speaker 3: millions of lives within within that timeframe, within fifteen years.
Speaker 3: This is of course on par with other predictions. Whenever
Speaker 3: I read news like this, guys, I just can't help
Speaker 3: but think of that time everybody told us we were
Speaker 3: crazy and controversial for pointing out neo nikotinoid's damaging effects
Speaker 3: on honeybee populations, and it turned out we were right,
Speaker 3: or the people who did the studies were right. They
Speaker 3: were just ignored. So if you want to read more
Speaker 3: about that, go to Popular Mechanics excellent article by Darren Orf,
Speaker 3: who's citing the latest studies when his work and apocalypse
Speaker 3: of toxic fungi could threaten millions of lives within fifteen years.
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Speaker 3: strange news. No, look, can we go to Disney.
Speaker 4: Boy, let's do it. Let's go to Disneyland.
Speaker 6: And we've returned and we've got our Mickey Matt or
Speaker 6: Mini whichever you know, dealer's choice, hats on and eaten
Speaker 6: some I don't know, themed ice cream of some sort,
Speaker 6: perhaps also mouse shaped, and we're seeing that beautiful vista
Speaker 6: of the Cinderella's Castle on the horizon. We're just full
Speaker 6: of wonder and joy as we walk into Disneyland or.
Speaker 3: World side note I do I do fondly recall one
Speaker 3: of those videos where we did where you know, use
Speaker 3: the phrase iced creams iced cream.
Speaker 6: I think I probably stold the over annunciation from my
Speaker 6: buddy Matt Berry don't actually know him, would love to
Speaker 6: huge fan. But disney Land, World, the Magic Kingdom, whichever
Speaker 6: you prefer whichever one is more in your neck of
Speaker 6: the woods. Has long been an innovator in theme park technology.
Speaker 6: Let's just say early versions of these theme parks, or Disneyland,
Speaker 6: let's just say the very first one, have incorporated cutting
Speaker 6: edge for the time animatronics, some of which the vintage
Speaker 6: versions have stuck around, like the Country Bear Jamboree.
Speaker 4: I think they only just recently retired.
Speaker 6: That one, but either when I was in Disneyland not
Speaker 6: too too long ago, a couple of years ago, I
Speaker 6: got to see that, and I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: It's no longer there. But a lot of.
Speaker 6: Fun, a lot of kind of weird, uncanny Valley Chuck
Speaker 6: e Cheese esque, but a little bit you know better animatronics.
Speaker 6: We also, of course know about the Hall of Presidents,
Speaker 6: where you can see your favorite presidents personified through robotic forms,
Speaker 6: including Abraham Lincoln, who gives little you know excerpts from
Speaker 6: his Gettysburg address. Well, the Walt Disney Company, which of
Speaker 6: course now owns Star Wars, Disney a ton of other
Speaker 6: properties as well, like all of the Pixar stuff that's all.
Speaker 4: Under this umbrella. Now you can stream it all on
Speaker 4: Disney Plus. Not an ad.
Speaker 6: They and their leadership, Bob iger Is, the CEO of Disney,
Speaker 6: are getting criticized pretty hardcore by relatives of the late
Speaker 6: Walt Disney for their decision to roll out an exhibit,
Speaker 6: an animatronic exhibit in Anaheim and Disneyland, an experience. They
Speaker 6: call it the Imagineers, wherein people will be able to
Speaker 6: hang out with an animatronic representation of Walt Disney himself.
Speaker 6: The experience was described at the D twenty three event
Speaker 6: is where Disney kind of rolls out their slates and
Speaker 6: all of their new theme park stuff last summer, described
Speaker 6: as being able to experience what.
Speaker 4: It would have been like to be in Walt's presence.
Speaker 6: However, Walt Disney's granddaughter is super super non on board
Speaker 6: with this and says Walt wouldn't have been either. Joanna Miller,
Speaker 6: in a Facebook post recently in the last couple of days,
Speaker 6: called the the idea of this a robot imposter and
Speaker 6: warned that Disney execs were dehumanizing the memory of her grandfather.
Speaker 6: She goes on to say and her post, people are
Speaker 6: not replaceable. You cannot add life to a robot empty
Speaker 6: of a soul or essence of the man, I think
Speaker 6: that's fascinating on a couple of fronts, because of course
Speaker 6: Disney did pioneer animatronics, and they, you know, Walt Disney
Speaker 6: was all about that, and you know they've done it
Speaker 6: with presidents and every time there's a new president, I
Speaker 6: believe I'm not.
Speaker 4: Mistaken, they add it to the whole president's right.
Speaker 3: Well, they get in front of it too, which is
Speaker 3: why there's one that looks kind of trumpish, kind of glintonish.
Speaker 3: But I was asking that exact question off air, and
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought it up here, like is it not?
Speaker 3: Could people not see that as somewhat hypocritical?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have sensitivity for families of estates NOL. Do we
Speaker 3: know if this descendant of Walt himself is actively working
Speaker 3: in the company, because I think if that was the case,
Speaker 3: then they would never the conversation, would never have gotten this.
Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken, the entire Disney family is no
Speaker 6: longer a decision making any I'm not sure if there
Speaker 6: are other survivors of the Disney line other than this granddaughter.
Speaker 4: And I apologize, but I think for.
Speaker 6: Our purposes here, I do know that there is no
Speaker 6: decision making power anymore coming from the Walt Disney family,
Speaker 6: which is why this is more point of protest and
Speaker 6: you know, bad taste being acknowledged than it is some
Speaker 6: kind of actionable item, because Joanna Miller in her post
Speaker 6: asked for people's support in helping convince the company in
Speaker 6: all caps to you know, scrap plans to do this
Speaker 6: abandon the robot of Grandpa, she says, most importantly, and
Speaker 6: this is I think the kicker here. That's very interesting
Speaker 6: and to your point, Ben, and what I was bringing
Speaker 6: up as well. Most importantly, I learned that Grandpa told
Speaker 6: Sam McKim, which I believe must have been an old
Speaker 6: colleague perhaps someone who was also once connected to the company,
Speaker 6: clearly a confidante, that he never wanted to be an animatronic.
Speaker 6: Marty Sklar, who was an early imagineer, a founder of
Speaker 6: this whole kind of division, I think, along with I Works,
Speaker 6: who is also a person who was very close to
Speaker 6: Disney and invented some very very important innovative devices and
Speaker 6: technologies and processes, all of which you can see by
Speaker 6: the way and the history at an incredible place that
Speaker 6: I probably pitched before on the show called the Disney
Speaker 6: Family Museum in San Francisco that is funded and or
Speaker 6: operated by the Walt Disney Family Trust.
Speaker 4: So that is a good example too of where.
Speaker 6: You can see their version of the memory of Waltz
Speaker 6: and his innovations. How that differs from the company line
Speaker 6: on all of that stuff. It's a really neat place.
Speaker 6: I do highly recommend you check it out. Marty Scalar
Speaker 6: taught the imagineers. She says he knew Grandpa's wishes. So
Speaker 6: the idea of a robotic Grandpa to give the public
Speaker 6: a feeling of who the living man was, which is
Speaker 6: the stated purpose of this exhibit. The idea literally that
Speaker 6: came from the statement about it at D twenty three
Speaker 6: just makes no sense. It would be an impost. They
Speaker 6: are dehumanizing him. People are not replaceable. You could never
Speaker 6: get the casualness of his talking, interacting with the camera,
Speaker 6: his excitement to show and tell people about what is
Speaker 6: new at the park, etc. You cannot add life to
Speaker 6: one empty of a soul or essence of the man
Speaker 6: knowing that he did not want this, having your predecessors
Speaker 6: tell you that this was out of bounds, so so
Speaker 6: sad and disappointed.
Speaker 4: It's extra interesting too.
Speaker 6: Considering that Bob Ayger's been mega under fire for some
Speaker 6: kind of not great decisions that have been made around
Speaker 6: their reboots of classic animated films that are beloved as
Speaker 6: these live action kind of I'm just gonna say where
Speaker 6: I land on it abominations, I would say that word
Speaker 6: is appropriate. Some of them are just kind of missing
Speaker 6: the point of what made the animated films good in
Speaker 6: the first place. And there's just that uncaddy valley ness
Speaker 6: of it all too. And the snow White rollout has
Speaker 6: obviously been plagued with catastrophe. It's the biggest bomb of
Speaker 6: any of these that they've ever put out, if I'm
Speaker 6: not mistaken. And the star Rachel Ziggler on the kind
Speaker 6: of press trail for that just made some really not
Speaker 6: great comments about the original version that alienated basically anybody
Speaker 6: that would have been into the movie, and nobody went
Speaker 6: and saw it. So this seems like another and a
Speaker 6: long line of kind of those kind of missteps by
Speaker 6: the Walt Disney Company and mister Bob. I here, what
Speaker 6: do you guys think that any thoughts of the contradictions here? Maybe,
Speaker 6: And like the obviously Disney was a huge innovator of animatronics,
Speaker 6: but that he himself did not want to be given
Speaker 6: that treatment.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Abraham Lincoln wanted exactly a guy, and
Speaker 2: like how you would have felt about that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think if you're going to have those things, having
Speaker 2: the guy that invented it in many ways or the
Speaker 2: guy that created it become one is actually kind of cool.
Speaker 2: But nowadays you don't really need that. You could just
Speaker 2: have a an AI generated version of him, right that
Speaker 2: uses his previous interviews, and that dude could show you
Speaker 2: around the park if you wanted to. That's cool, but
Speaker 2: that would probably be considered horrifying as well. But if
Speaker 2: that's horrifying for the guy that created this thing that
Speaker 2: led us down this path, then what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I hear you on that, Matt. That that was my
Speaker 3: point too. You know, like, first, yes, we could argue
Speaker 3: a hypocritical but second it goes into some very logical considerations.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you bringing up there because the philiposophical
Speaker 3: aspects we're bringing up here too. It touches on the
Speaker 3: idea of agency, Like when we're talked about that kerfuffle
Speaker 3: about purported AI George Carlin stuff exactly. So the question
Speaker 3: then is, I don't know. It's tough to parse because
Speaker 3: the primary issue is you can't ask Walt Disney about it.
Speaker 3: But to Matt's point, what if we made an AI
Speaker 3: emulator of Walt Disney with all the data we could
Speaker 3: collect and then ask that, right, asked Walt two point?
Speaker 3: Oh you felt about it, but it's only black mirror
Speaker 3: till it's real, you know.
Speaker 2: And that question is do you want a body?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and then.
Speaker 4: I want a body?
Speaker 3: Come on, how did you really feel about uh, you know,
Speaker 3: were you really anti semitic?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Geez, yeah, yeah, I opened that back of words. But
Speaker 3: this maybe I don't know, man like, who can who
Speaker 3: can make the call? Does the estate have the rights
Speaker 3: to Walt Disney's like that?
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's surely not. You know how lawyered
Speaker 4: up these companies would get.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they would have put in
Speaker 6: the planning and made the announcement if they couldn't legally
Speaker 6: do it. So I think at this point it's just
Speaker 6: a protest thing and calling it the tasteless. And then
Speaker 6: of course the imagineers and the folks at Disney are
Speaker 6: defending it. It's interesting because when I went to Disney
Speaker 6: this last time for the first time in many years.
Speaker 6: At Epcott, they have this ride called Spaceship Earth, which
Speaker 6: is like this cool time traveling space ride that sort
Speaker 6: of shows you the one my.
Speaker 4: Founding of civilization exactly.
Speaker 6: And in my mind I was like, I swear there
Speaker 6: is a Walt Disney animatronic in that because it was
Speaker 6: so his thing. But there definitely isn't, uh and there
Speaker 6: never has been. And this is a that's why this
Speaker 6: is such a big deal. So hm, I don't know,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's a it's a it's a pickle.
Speaker 2: I guess what I think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think that?
Speaker 2: I think Disney needs to up their game.
Speaker 4: I remember what I was gonna say. Sorry, Matt, those
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 6: This is interesting too because of all the conspiracies around
Speaker 6: Walt Disney life extension stuff.
Speaker 4: And preserving them.
Speaker 6: And all that is kind of them trying to do that,
Speaker 6: keeping him alive in a way, but also his state
Speaker 6: representatives of it are not down with that. I'm so sorry, Matt.
Speaker 4: I was just trying.
Speaker 3: What were you thinking?
Speaker 2: That it's a way more realistic version of extending life
Speaker 2: than freezing some stuff.
Speaker 3: We know that the technology is just not there. It's
Speaker 3: just that it's because water expands at a certain tip.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to do
Speaker 3: it today.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing. But uh, what I was gonna
Speaker 2: say is Disney's up their game. All of these theme
Speaker 2: parks are magical wonderlands, right. But my son just got
Speaker 2: back from Universal and they had a new one that
Speaker 2: I didn't even know existed. That's like Epic Universe or something.
Speaker 4: Brand new day a day or two old, I swear.
Speaker 2: But my son got to hang out in Donkey Kong
Speaker 2: Country and he was in it.
Speaker 4: And take my money.
Speaker 2: There's a Mario Kart joking, my god.
Speaker 4: I'm going, I'm going that's my stuff, dude. Oh that
Speaker 4: sounds amazing.
Speaker 3: There's a Nintendo World I think opening up in US
Speaker 3: pretty soon. I'm actually what I'm talking about. I think
Speaker 3: that's where that must be it because they that go
Speaker 3: to the one in Japan later because I guess.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess the Mario movie was under Universal, so that, yeah,
Speaker 6: that makes sense.
Speaker 4: All I know is it's crazy cool.
Speaker 3: Folks, tell us your favorite and most unusual amusement or
Speaker 3: theme parks that you have visited. I am a big
Speaker 3: fan of amusement parks, especially the propagandistic ones in other countries.
Speaker 6: In Japan, there's like a Yokai themed amusement park, or
Speaker 6: maybe it's even.
Speaker 4: A whole city.
Speaker 3: I've been to the Kai town.
Speaker 4: Okay, that must be it.
Speaker 6: But then I also saw there's a poop themed amusement
Speaker 6: park that just I've heard of.
Speaker 3: It in Japan. I haven't been.
Speaker 6: It's about the wonders of sanitation. It's like got a message.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you gotta have something that doesn't just say
Speaker 3: we're in dapu. Yeah right, yeah, and sanitations is important.
Speaker 3: To brillion people die every year due to lack of
Speaker 3: potable water, So I get it. But that's a great
Speaker 3: example there. It's as long as you can add this
Speaker 3: is for an important reason. At the very end of
Speaker 3: whatever weird thing you're doing, you can get a pass
Speaker 3: and you can make an amusement park. For sure. God,
Speaker 3: I want to hear about new and strange amusement parks
Speaker 3: we haven't visited yet. Gosh, that must be so new
Speaker 3: that what you call it epic universe?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just ribbon cut like a week or
Speaker 6: two ago. So your your son got very lucky and
Speaker 6: getting to catch that so early. Are you serious?
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He was with his mom and they ended up there
Speaker 2: and he just told me all about.
Speaker 6: Also switch to Drop Day this week coming out on Friday,
Speaker 6: New Mario Kart, Mario Kart World Mario. It hasn't been
Speaker 6: a new Mario Kart in over a decade or at
Speaker 6: least a decade, So I'm pumped.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: Well, jeez, guys, we went we went on about Disney
Speaker 6: for a lot longer than I thought I did.
Speaker 4: Just want to little tie in story.
Speaker 6: David Zaslov, who's also another you know, CEO of entertainment
Speaker 6: Conglomo that's under fire and been under fire.
Speaker 3: Who full disclosure, we have met.
Speaker 6: We've met him, but he used to be the CEO
Speaker 6: of Discovery, you know, I'm sorry, still still is Warner
Speaker 6: Brothers Discovery, and we initially were acquired by Discovery. That
Speaker 6: was like right when I joined the company. And he
Speaker 6: is being sort of chastised by the board.
Speaker 4: The company's executives, who.
Speaker 6: Are who held a symbolic non binding vote against the
Speaker 6: executive payout package of around fifty more than rather fifty
Speaker 6: million dollars that he's due, so they're saying that he's
Speaker 6: not doing great at his decision making. All the debacle
Speaker 6: around HBO streaming HBO, HBO Max HBO Max HBO, we
Speaker 6: don't even know. It's bad, real bad dilution kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Back of how yep BO.
Speaker 6: We've also seen a lot of backlash against some of
Speaker 6: their prized brands, like the House of the Dragons. The
Speaker 6: Game of Thrones spin off kind of had a little
Speaker 6: bit of a petering out in its audience because there
Speaker 6: were not that many episodes.
Speaker 4: It felt like they were cutting corners.
Speaker 6: So seasons have gotten a lot shorter, and most recently
Speaker 6: the season the second season of the Last of Us
Speaker 6: has absolutely been lambasted by fans and critics alike. Seems
Speaker 6: like nobody liked it, and it also seems to be
Speaker 6: victim of some cuts. So yeah, they're they're saying it's
Speaker 6: not a good idea to do that, they're against it,
Speaker 6: but it's non binding, so he's definitely still going to
Speaker 6: get every dollar of that, so there you go.
Speaker 3: Gosh.
Speaker 4: I had a couple other stories.
Speaker 6: Guinea pigs have been forced to listen to adele in
Speaker 6: order to test out how music audio compression affects our
Speaker 6: brains and our ears specifically are hearing. Compression is a
Speaker 6: tool in audio production that basically makes quiet parts loud
Speaker 6: and loud parts quiet, evening them out so there's no
Speaker 6: dynamic range the aka difference between the loudest and the
Speaker 6: quietest parts of the music. And if anybody's a musician
Speaker 6: or into that, you know that that's where a lot
Speaker 6: of tension drama comes from, is having quiet bits and things,
Speaker 6: you know, opening up and classical music for sure. Dynamics
Speaker 6: is a term that's used often, but this is more
Speaker 6: referring to dynamics in terms of the actual analyzing of
Speaker 6: the audio waveform. It turns out that when you compress
Speaker 6: stuff and it make it just consistently loud all the time,
Speaker 6: it doesn't give our brains time to reset and our
Speaker 6: ears time to rest.
Speaker 4: And it's bad.
Speaker 6: So guinea pigs that were subjected to seven days of
Speaker 6: Adele's music in compressed and uncompressed form suffered more significant
Speaker 6: hearing damage when they expose to the compressed form, which,
Speaker 6: if you're into audio stuff in production that do it
Speaker 6: does make sense, but it's interesting that that's being codified now,
Speaker 6: so it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't non stop adele right.
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly exactly what kind of rests or
Speaker 6: breaks they got, but that would be really cruel and
Speaker 6: the kind of thing you'd see in like black sites
Speaker 6: or whatever. But on poor little guinea pigs, who you know,
Speaker 6: it's not funny you always hear guinea pigs used to
Speaker 6: stand in for like test subjects, right, if you never
Speaker 6: really hear guinea pigs being used in this way, at
Speaker 6: least I don't.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't read enough abstracts of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: But there is a thing that's been raging for about
Speaker 6: five or six years, maybe a little more in music
Speaker 6: production called the loudness wars, and that has to do
Speaker 6: with compression about like making something as loud as you can.
Speaker 4: The only way you can make something louder is by reducing.
Speaker 6: The peak value, like the luffs is what it's called
Speaker 6: loudness units over time. And in order to do that,
Speaker 6: you got to make the quiet parts, the loud parts quiet,
Speaker 6: and the quiet parts loud so everything's the same. Then
Speaker 6: you can just make the whole thing bigger, make the
Speaker 6: whole thing louder. And it's not good because it reduces
Speaker 6: the dynamics, and it reduces the you know, the differences
Speaker 6: between loud and quiet, which is so much of what
Speaker 6: makes music exciting and interesting.
Speaker 4: I think, so there you go, y'all.
Speaker 6: Sorry if I went a little long on those interesting
Speaker 6: talk about the Disney stuff and look forward to following
Speaker 6: the the HBO.
Speaker 4: Debacle as well. Are we max again?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: Are we HBO max again? Now?
Speaker 6: Ben?
Speaker 4: Is it actually officially re rolled out?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I believe it's Max dot com here go, which is
Speaker 6: so funny because the Wen already have Cinemax and anyway,
Speaker 6: neither you're nor there. Let's take a quick break here,
Speaker 6: work from a response, and they'll be back with some
Speaker 6: more strange news.
Speaker 4: And we've returned.
Speaker 2: We're increasing the dynamics of this episode by going quieter here.
Speaker 2: I've got two days. I want to start with you guys.
Speaker 2: This is a bit of the downer part of the episode,
Speaker 2: so apologies. We'll have some ups and downs in dynamics
Speaker 2: as well, yep. But first of all, I just want
Speaker 2: to say we were really saddened a lot of folks
Speaker 2: on on my team and you guys probably as well,
Speaker 2: because I been I know you had a little direct
Speaker 2: I don't know if he had direct contact with this actor,
Speaker 2: but he worked on a show that you also worked on, Yes,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Joss, who was the voice of John Redcorn and
Speaker 2: King of the Hill. He was a voice of I
Speaker 2: think Chief Ken was the character's name on Parks and
Speaker 2: rec a bunch of other stuff this actor has done.
Speaker 3: He unformed a tremendous person as well. Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 3: is way more important than like celebrity status, Like an actual,
Speaker 3: genuine good dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really cool verson that we got to work with personally,
Speaker 2: and you know, be on zoom calls where he's recording
Speaker 2: audio for a show that we made called Bridgewater, and
Speaker 2: he's just a really great human being.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that that's that's my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just really sad when we recorded with him.
Speaker 2: I specifically remember the studio he was in at his house.
Speaker 2: He had I don't even know, I didn't count how
Speaker 2: many awesome lights he had in the background, but they
Speaker 2: were all those like multicolored lights that did different things.
Speaker 2: It looked like a party at his house, and it
Speaker 2: was just a really cool vibe. Just gonna I'm just
Speaker 2: very sad into that guy's passing.
Speaker 4: Well, just the hatred behind the crime.
Speaker 6: I mean, it just seemed like there was a targeted
Speaker 6: act of absolute homophobia and xenophobia and like just a
Speaker 6: like just absolute, like a campaign of terror against this man.
Speaker 3: And I did not agree with the way a lot
Speaker 3: of the initial reporting went, especially because they're missing those
Speaker 3: those parts about hate crimes and harassment and prejudice. And
Speaker 3: we have to remember, you know, whenever you hear stories
Speaker 3: like this, it's different because we were personally connected with
Speaker 3: an actually human being, right, we hear these stories the
Speaker 3: ephemera that wants you to always just like clock into
Speaker 3: the most vicious sounding thing and then to deify celebrities
Speaker 3: who were just people. Just treat celebrities like people. It's
Speaker 3: sick how this country is always asking people to deify
Speaker 3: or vilify folks. You know. That's why I get tired
Speaker 3: of celebrity news, because it's it's unfair to the subject,
Speaker 3: it's unfair to the audience. But this was a really
Speaker 3: genuinely good dude, and the manner of the harassment and
Speaker 3: the crimes against him, I think it needs to be
Speaker 3: further acknowledged because it's just unclean, are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's trigger warrion, and honestly,
Speaker 6: some of the stuff that we're talking about, like harm
Speaker 6: to animals and things like, I mean really really brutal, brutal, respicable,
Speaker 6: and there is a person in custody, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6: I just was so direct floor by the headlines. I
Speaker 6: did not even get that far.
Speaker 3: And even though on a sad note, I think we
Speaker 3: can find positivity. And here, Matt, I really appreciate you
Speaker 3: bringing up and focusing on the fact that this human
Speaker 3: being was again a tremendous, genuine and phenomenally talented person,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to lose sight about that in
Speaker 3: this crazy, just stupid rush people have about celebrities. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, My big takeaway is just the positivity he
Speaker 2: brought to you. Again, I only interacted with him virtually
Speaker 2: over one of these that we're doing right now, but
Speaker 2: just the positivity that shone through you know, his camera
Speaker 2: and audio. You're like, oh dang, that is cool person.
Speaker 3: So that's a life we're sick too, right, Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 2: I mean again, like it was part of that.
Speaker 6: Whole that's a personality thing, right, It's due that wanted
Speaker 6: to be surrounded by quirky, fun funds, you know, like,
Speaker 6: I mean, come.
Speaker 2: On, and he was so happy to be doing voice work,
Speaker 2: and you're just like, yes, it is a cool job.
Speaker 2: Awesome man, let's do this. So any let's let's Johonadan
Speaker 2: will remember and we'll think more about that. We'll talk
Speaker 2: more about it if we need to, but for now,
Speaker 2: let's just one other thing I wanted to bring up here, Ben,
Speaker 2: you were talking about those moments in history, like Franz
Speaker 2: Ferdinand that will be looked back at historians, but maybe
Speaker 2: not everybody in the present moment fully clocks the significance of.
Speaker 3: We'll be seen as a tipping point in retrospect exactly.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to point out this thing that happened yesterday,
Speaker 2: as we record on Tuesday, June third, there was a
Speaker 2: you know, there's the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine
Speaker 2: right now, and a lot of them. There's so many
Speaker 2: news stories happening in cycles about everything that's happening there,
Speaker 2: and so many developments, so many fronts, so many things
Speaker 2: happening that's hard to even really see specific instances anymore,
Speaker 2: at least for me as somebody who's attempting to observe
Speaker 2: the whole thing. There's a moment that occurred on June
Speaker 2: third where Ukraine forces used explosives over several months, like
Speaker 2: planted explosives on a specific bridge that is a strategic
Speaker 2: connection point from Russia into Crimea, which is an area
Speaker 2: that they the country had previously annexed and you know,
Speaker 2: fought a war over. But just the fact that these
Speaker 2: strategic points of access for like bringing in more troops,
Speaker 2: bringing in you know, more supplies, anything like that, or
Speaker 2: being targeted, it feels like the kind of escalation, you know,
Speaker 2: not only the stuff where there have been attacks like
Speaker 2: deep within Russia from the Ukraine side, where a lot
Speaker 2: of the people allied with Ukraine are sending longer range
Speaker 2: missiles and things.
Speaker 3: Now those forty one planes got absolutely walloped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's just stuff happening right now in that
Speaker 2: In that situation, there feels like to me, it's going
Speaker 2: to be the stuff that's written about as Oh and
Speaker 2: then on this day this happened, which then triggered this
Speaker 2: other thing, which then caused you know, full scale whatever.
Speaker 3: Because there's somewhat around to write about it later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's the hope.
Speaker 3: That's that's the hope. Otherwise, in a world bereft of humans.
Speaker 3: It's just going to be the descendants of chat GPT
Speaker 3: rewriting their own interpretations of what was posted. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean, because social media about Russian Ukraine in
Speaker 3: the time the humans were around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the time the humans were doing stuff. Speaking of
Speaker 2: humans doing stuff. Oh wow, let's switch gears again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's jump to a story. I think we talked about
Speaker 2: it on listener mail. No, I think it was a
Speaker 2: story you brought up, but I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 2: It was this weird crypto case where there was some
Speaker 2: kidnapping going oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the torture, yeah, and like using electrodes and all
Speaker 6: kinds of horrible pistol whipping, really really awful stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes. Eric Adams, number one New York City mayor.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, we're better than.
Speaker 3: The mayor and Ghostbusters guys. He's great for Turkey, He's
Speaker 3: huge there.
Speaker 2: So okay, so let's just refresher one of these two guys,
Speaker 2: John Willett's Woe Ltz and William Duplessi. These are two
Speaker 2: gentlemen who are currently under investigation and charged with holding
Speaker 2: this twenty eight year old, wealthy Italian cryptocurrency trader hostage
Speaker 2: for several weeks. And the concept, at least according to authority,
Speaker 2: is that those guys John and William were attempting to
Speaker 2: get this person's Bitcoin password, and there was torture involved,
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff according to the findings and the
Speaker 2: evidence in the place where these two gentlemen were keeping
Speaker 2: this guy captive. There is a weird little wrinkle in
Speaker 2: a little tiny news story that came out. And as
Speaker 2: you said, Ben, you said, the keyword there new York
Speaker 2: City Mayor Eric Adams. That's the keyword. The reason why
Speaker 2: it's even newsworthy. There's a gentleman who was a part
Speaker 2: of Eric adams security detail who allegedly is the human
Speaker 2: being that picked up this guy that got cap was
Speaker 2: held hostage. He picked him up from the airport and
Speaker 2: took him to the place where he was held captive.
Speaker 4: No, I have not heard this.
Speaker 2: Yes, but he was he was off duty at the time,
Speaker 2: at least according to you know, he wasn't on his
Speaker 2: Eric Adams detail.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's a gig economy, it is, but that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It actually is a gig economy. And if he works security,
Speaker 2: and you've got somebody who's wealthy, who was paying you
Speaker 2: to do stuff. Being you know, a chauffeur from the
Speaker 2: airport isn't a big deal and may even not mean anything.
Speaker 2: And he literally just dropped a guy off that he
Speaker 2: thought was a guest of his employer. Right, but it
Speaker 2: sure is weird to have those two worlds collide right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to hear more about that
Speaker 3: news because it's funny. I was thinking about this earlier, Matt.
Speaker 3: There's this confluence of the average person and being able
Speaker 3: to learn more right at a faster pace, a more
Speaker 3: shallow pace, but a definitely a faster pace than ever before.
Speaker 3: And then the question becomes, are we seeing more connections
Speaker 3: that have already existed? Are we discovering new connections? Or
Speaker 3: has the entire world of the powerful also always been
Speaker 3: kind of like this? And now you know, like, they're
Speaker 3: not extra skeletons in the close I'm pointing at a closet.
Speaker 3: They're not extra skeletons in the closet. They're just better flashlights. Now, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and I think the flashlight answer is correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, phones even have a flashlight built in.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude, right, And they're also it feels like
Speaker 2: there are more ways to reflect. I'm just joking.
Speaker 4: I was going to do a thing. He's got this.
Speaker 6: Yeah great, I think we might be getting into more
Speaker 6: videos soon.
Speaker 3: But I boil.
Speaker 6: I wish you could see you're gonna have to go
Speaker 6: on vacation again to that same exact resort.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just gonna build one of these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are what are the mirror tariffs? Right now?
Speaker 3: I haven't looked that up.
Speaker 2: Wait, isn't that a thing in like esoteric thought that
Speaker 2: if you put two mirrors facing each other you could
Speaker 2: create a portal of some sort.
Speaker 3: Well, fung Shui doesn't like it bad times. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: basically a Oija board for the wall.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, let's build podcastingja boards and see what happens.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Okay, I have so many other Eric Adams
Speaker 3: questions for off air, but yeah, okay, So again, what
Speaker 3: we're saying is interesting confluence. Does it tell us anything
Speaker 3: other than that's interesting?
Speaker 2: There's nothing other than it's just it's strange in it's news.
Speaker 2: So guess what it's in this episode?
Speaker 3: There we got strange news segment.
Speaker 2: But last little thing I want to talk about today.
Speaker 4: Guys, you remember that Jeffrey upstea guy. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a court of law as a kangaroo course is well. A.
Speaker 2: There are two recent interviews that occurred on Fox News
Speaker 2: where two very important, influential, powerful human beings went on
Speaker 2: and gave separate interviews, and one of the topics that
Speaker 2: came up in both of those interviews was Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: And I just want to jump to this is all
Speaker 2: to get this quote out on the air again, because
Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating that it's still a question. People
Speaker 2: are still interested. And then even the forces, the powerful
Speaker 2: people that maybe believed or represent in some way, the
Speaker 2: faction of people including me a little bit, who believe
Speaker 2: that Jeffrey Epstein didn't just kill himself, that there was
Speaker 2: something else to that, whether it was coercion or you know,
Speaker 2: something occurred there to me for me personally, right, and
Speaker 2: that's believed.
Speaker 3: I would say the majority of the US public agree.
Speaker 2: I think so too, But for me, I just have
Speaker 2: to say it out loud, like when I'm talking about this,
Speaker 2: it is my belief. It's not based on evidence, right,
Speaker 2: It's based on looking at things and feeling a certain
Speaker 2: way about it personally. But even somebody like, how do
Speaker 2: he say his name, Dan Bungino, Dan Bungina, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to say his name, Dan Bungino. Let's say
Speaker 2: Dan Bungino. This is the current deputy director. He went
Speaker 2: on Fox News gave an interview and they're discussing Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein's death, and Dan talks about the surveillance video that
Speaker 2: is allegedly running there of the selling right outside the
Speaker 2: cell that we talked about ages ago when all of
Speaker 2: this went down, and Dan says that there's absolutely zero
Speaker 2: forensic evidence that suggests that any other human being was
Speaker 2: in that cell at any time between the last time
Speaker 2: he was seen by the authorities and then when he
Speaker 2: was found deceased. Here's the quote quote there's no DNA,
Speaker 2: there's no audio, there's no fingerprints, there's no suspects, there's
Speaker 2: no accomplices, there's no tips, there is nothing. And then
Speaker 2: he said, if you have evidence, I am happy to
Speaker 2: see it. The video is clear as day. He's the
Speaker 2: only person in there and the only person coming out.
Speaker 2: You can see it. And you know, to me, Dan
Speaker 2: is one of these people who previously has talked about
Speaker 2: like I don't know this seems fishy. This seems like
Speaker 2: something really went down, and then he's actually finding himself
Speaker 2: in a place where he can truly investigate, right, which
Speaker 2: not many of us are going to get to that
Speaker 2: position where you can really see all the stuff. You
Speaker 2: could say, give me everything you got on Epstein and
Speaker 2: he is saying, look, there's nothing there. If you got
Speaker 2: some more information sent in my way because I want
Speaker 2: to know, it does feel a little bit like we
Speaker 2: can put the concept that he got physically murdered to bed,
Speaker 2: but that it to me, leaves open that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Did somebody have a conversation with him, or his attorney
Speaker 2: or somebody it basically got to him that gave him
Speaker 2: no choice?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, I mean the hyoid bone breaking is basic.
Speaker 3: Is just basic physiology. At that point, the question that
Speaker 3: you're asking is I believe the moristute question. In our
Speaker 3: three part series on Epstein and then our later follow ups,
Speaker 3: I think it's a question that we had to incorporate
Speaker 3: in the conversation because of the fact that, yes, there
Speaker 3: are suspicious circumstances, Yes there was a fog of war,
Speaker 3: there was not enough information to draw a conclusive perspective
Speaker 3: on However, I love the point you're making mad about
Speaker 3: the deputy director, the guy who could probably get all
Speaker 3: the evidence. Maybe, but it's still there's so much just
Speaker 3: there is. It's stinks man, Somethings are rotten in the
Speaker 3: lock up.
Speaker 2: But then you've also got Cash, buttel the actual facts
Speaker 2: shut out FBI director coming out and saying, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're actively working on this.
Speaker 3: Still yeah, and he's super qualified.
Speaker 4: Well, plus the name is Cash and that's a sweat name.
Speaker 2: Whatever the qualifications. But people in the positions to do
Speaker 2: the looking are there and they want to do the looking,
Speaker 2: and they are doing the looking. So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see if anything else comes out.
Speaker 3: Same, especially given the administration's foot dragging of releasing connections
Speaker 3: or releasing you know, the so called Little Black Book information.
Speaker 3: Even if it, you know, let's play game theory for
Speaker 3: a moment. If there's nothing bad, if it does indeed
Speaker 3: support improve the existing mainstream narrative and at the same
Speaker 3: time disproved multiple points of speculation and conspiracy theory, then
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you release it post taste? Why wouldn't you
Speaker 3: come out like if you're not really committee to agro terrorism,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you tell the FBI immediately, you know, why
Speaker 3: would you try to lie? That's a teaser for something
Speaker 3: that will happened later this week.
Speaker 2: You might not say anything if you're the acting president
Speaker 2: and you I'm just joking, right, or you know, the
Speaker 2: Prince of England or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: God, yeah, never get it. You know, he doesn't sweat,
Speaker 3: is what he said.
Speaker 2: The President of the United States and a Prince of
Speaker 2: England both implicated the same guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like prince yeah, well like a deputy prince.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll learn more about that. One last thing to
Speaker 2: ruin your week, just a little bit. If you've got time,
Speaker 2: head on over to the Guardian Slash Environment slash series
Speaker 2: slash the Age of Extinction. It's a whole thing that
Speaker 2: The Guardian has a whole series about the Age of extinction.
Speaker 2: We all find ourselves in right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It reminds me, Matt of Low those many years
Speaker 3: ago when we were we were looking into neo nicotinoid
Speaker 3: effects on honeybee populations, which hadn't been proven at that time.
Speaker 3: And then also we started talking about insect population collapse.
Speaker 3: Thanks to the help of several academics and fellow conspiracy
Speaker 3: realist in the crowd. The think about these stories, which
Speaker 3: I'm sure have to irritate so many scientists, is that
Speaker 3: it has been shouted from the proverbial rooftops and the
Speaker 3: tree top canopies for so long. It's happening, and it's
Speaker 3: so easy for people to say, well, it's not happening
Speaker 3: to me directly, or it's not affecting me directly, therefore
Speaker 3: it's not really happening. But it's coming to your door soon,
Speaker 3: you know, faster than dominoes.
Speaker 2: Oh it is, And it's genuinely truly terrifying. It's existential
Speaker 2: threat level stuff. If you look at the subtitle of
Speaker 2: The Guardian's Age of Extinction series, it says reporting on
Speaker 2: our catastrophic species loss and ways to tackle the biodiversity crisis,
Speaker 2: which is nice. They've got that in the end, right.
Speaker 2: So the thing we always try and do, what's the
Speaker 2: positive thing, what's the action, what's the good stuff? The
Speaker 2: problem is we're in a catastrophic species lost situation and
Speaker 2: there is a story you can read right now, and
Speaker 2: I wish you would. Again, not going to be great
Speaker 2: for your psyche, but will be good for you to
Speaker 2: know and to think about it. Is titled half the
Speaker 2: Tree of Life colon Ecologists horror as nature reserves are
Speaker 2: emptied of insects, And it's specifically going on a couple
Speaker 2: of different entomologists paths. It follows them one particular guy
Speaker 2: who studied a basically moths and all kinds of insects
Speaker 2: and a bunch of different species out in Costa Rica.
Speaker 2: And this it's a beautiful story about when he was
Speaker 2: brutally injured and he put up sheets around his bed
Speaker 2: where he was confined out in the wilderness, and would
Speaker 2: turn a light on inside those sheets, right, and the
Speaker 2: number of moths, the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 2: moths that would gather on his sheet at night and
Speaker 2: he would study them, and then doing the same thing today,
Speaker 2: you know, several decades later, and there are a few
Speaker 2: moths and all of the wilderness that show up on
Speaker 2: that sheet, which should be like it should be every
Speaker 2: moth within a certain vicinity.
Speaker 3: Right, especially you know, depending on the environmental circumstances. But
Speaker 3: the frightening thing here, and I think any of us
Speaker 3: who have just me personally spending like a lot of
Speaker 3: time in the wild, you need to realize this is
Speaker 3: on a Nature reserve. These are in areas of the
Speaker 3: wild where human encroachment is purposely limited. Yes, and that also,
Speaker 3: like any of us who do enjoy being outdoors, if
Speaker 3: you are past a certain age, you have noticed a
Speaker 3: steep decline in a lot of wildlife, right, and it's
Speaker 3: it's frightening. It's a political it's real, it's happening. Please Also,
Speaker 3: and since we talked about positive note, I do have
Speaker 3: one thing to add. There's a Popular Science article that
Speaker 3: gives us maybe some other news about insects. Researchers have
Speaker 3: recently genetically altered fruitflies so that they crave cocaine.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, that's what we need, cooked up fruit flies.
Speaker 3: Right, the time has come.
Speaker 2: This guy's got a lot of fruitflies in his apartment.
Speaker 3: Right, that's his that's his sheet. Three eggs over for
Speaker 3: the moths. That's how Oh, that's how they'll bust folks
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 4: Future, like a moth to a coach.
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good idea for law enforcement. Isn't
Speaker 3: it terrifying? You had a fruitfly swarm gun step aside
Speaker 3: super soakers. Oh oh jeez, okay, wait, I thought it
Speaker 3: was a funny point. And then we made it. It's
Speaker 3: a terrifying real one.
Speaker 2: It's all black mirror now all the way down, so
Speaker 2: all the way down. And that's all I've got.
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