1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's smoky and JOOKI, I'm 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm go said. 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: By Russ Dressed. Hey boo, it's me Ron's dress for 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: less you guys. I'm just like on cloud nine right 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: now because I just did an interview with Margaret Choe 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: the Margaret Choe, which is also the name of her podcast, 8 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: The Margaret Choe. And Margaret is somebody that I don't 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: know very well weirdly, and I would love to know 10 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: her even better. And she is truly somebody that makes 11 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: me starstruck and is so important to me. And honestly, 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: when I was like sixteen years old and I met 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: my first queer person, my friend Jeff, he was like, okay, 14 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: first order of business, Margaret Show, and so we watched 15 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: her specials and I learned so much about queer culture 16 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: and she's just been such a huge part of my 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: development as an adult and as a stand up comedian. 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: And we've always wanted her to be a guest on 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: the show because she's also been on my favorite TV 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: show of all time, Celebrity ghost Stories. So we had 21 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about and we'll get to that 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: in just a moment, but I do want to tell 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: you that there's still a few tickets left for the 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: live show that's happening in Los Angeles that is coming 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: up real soon. It is this upcoming Tuesday, which is 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: the twenty first of January at Casita dal Campo, which 27 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: is the Cavern Club Theater, Celebrity Theater even and it's 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: in the basement of Casita del Campo. We did a 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: live show there already, you guys. I am pleased to announce, 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: in case you have not seen on social media, the 31 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: one and only Elena ser Video Shwinn will be in 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: the basement the twenty first of January. Now, if you 33 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: don't know who that is, go back and listen to 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: our episode with her. She is truly our breakout star, 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: our ghosted darling. She is incredible. But it's gonna be 36 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: really fun to have her down there as well, to 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: see if maybe something will happen with her, who knows. 38 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: And of course Alessandra Torresani will also be there, who 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: is just truly she's a gem of a person and 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: she told us some incredible ghost stories just a few 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: weeks ago on this show and she told me she 42 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 1: has even more, so I can't wait to see what's 43 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: gonna go down with that. You can get those tickets 44 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: on the Cavern Clubtheater dot com or you can just 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: go to my Instagram and there's a link in the bio. 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: It's Cavern Clubtheater dot com. You can get your tickets 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: to the show. I've actually been working there the past 48 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: few weeks because I've been doing just a little, little, 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: tiny little cameos on Golden Girls Live, which is a 50 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: super fun drag show with my drag family and former 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: podcast guests Sampancake, Drew Drogie, Jackie Beat, and my drag 52 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: mother Sherry Vine with special guest Alaska Thunderfuck. And I 53 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: can't say that we've had a whole lot of paranormal activity. However, 54 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: the other day I was sitting on stage with Jackie 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: and my new boyfriend. His name's Bo, and we were 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: sitting on stage and there was a breeze that went 57 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: by very mysteriously. And Margaret has been down there, and 58 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: Margaret had a little bit of a seance down there, 59 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: and we will be talking about that in the interview. 60 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: And she also says that she that they experienced a 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: little breeze down there, which doesn't really seem possible in 62 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: a basement. Hmm, mis sial. Well, let's just get on 63 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: with the show. Here, she is Margaret Chow. That rand 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: you guys. This is one of the biggest days, honestly 65 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: of my life. Oh Margaret, this I was. I've been 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: doing stand up since twenty twelve. You're the only person 67 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: I've ever paid to see stand understand up. 68 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: That's great. I love it. 69 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I you you are such an inspiration to me. Like, 70 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding you, I'm kind of a little nervous. 71 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm well, I'm honored. That's wonderful. 72 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: And I've met you many times and we have a 73 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: thousand mutual friends, and so I know you're you're a 74 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: chill girl, like you're a down like you are one 75 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: of my kind of people. Yes, and it's just it's 76 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: just an honor. So thank you for taking the time 77 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: tope here. Thank you because you're also somebody that I 78 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: know has had many ghost experiences. 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: That's right. 80 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Honestly, Since since the beginning of the show, people have 81 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: been like, who do you want to be on the show, 82 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Margaret show celebrity Ghost Story is my 83 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: favorite TV show ever. 84 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: It's so good. I love it. 85 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: So let's just talk about ghosts. Okay, where when did 86 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: you first have an experience? 87 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: Well, I'm Korean, so like the thing about Koreans is 88 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ancestor worship. Yeah, and like if 89 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: you don't do that, then your ancestors will haunt you. 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: And I think that it's like kind of true. In Asia, 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: there's a lot of like ghost realness, like people are like, oh, yeah, 92 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: there's ghosts. Like it's not even like scary, it's just 93 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: like this normal thing, like, oh, we didn't pay attention 94 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: to our ancestors and now they're haunting us. Or like 95 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: after the tsunami in Japan, there was a lot of 96 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: people who were like I see my dead neighbors in 97 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: the puddles outside, or like the cab drivers kept picking 98 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: up like earthquake ghosts. 99 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I think I heard about that, Like, yeah, 100 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: cab drivers in the car, you look back, there's now 101 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: there's no one there, right. Yeah. 102 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: So in a lot of Asian cultures, ghosts are like 103 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: pretty natural, and like my mom would always see him 104 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: and one time after it was in nineteen seventy eight, 105 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: and this was after the People's Temple tragedy in Guyana, 106 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: where nine hundred something people died from drinking the flavor 107 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: aid with Jim Jones. 108 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: Yes. 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: And so my parents had rented the vacant People's Temple 110 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: in San Francisco for a party, and so my mom 111 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: was like, well, this is okay, fun and then we're 112 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: we're at the party and my mom kept seeing all 113 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: of the ghosts of the people like pissed that she 114 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: was like serving food and having this party. And then 115 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: she was like, well, I made a mistake, like she 116 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: shouldn't have had the party there. But it was like 117 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: this thing of she was just naturally like, oh yeah, 118 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: I see, I see the mini ghost Dey didn't like it. 119 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: So like it was like very matter of fact, it's 120 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: not scary, No, it was just like basically she's like, 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: I made a mistake. I had a party there, and 122 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: these ghosts were mad. It was like neighbors got it, 123 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: Like I threw a party and the neighbors were angry. 124 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: And that sort of attitude kind of bled into like 125 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 2: my feeling about ghosts is that well, they're just there 126 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: and you might make them angry sometimes, and just like 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: your neighbors, you kind of try to make nice with 128 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: them because you have to. 129 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Live there, sure, you have to share the space. 130 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the house that I live in now is haunted. 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: I know that. When I first moved in, there was 132 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: a couple of things. There was a dog that had 133 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: lived in the house, and the dog died the day 134 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: it left. And the dog was twenty one years old. 135 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: And I would see the dog outside in uh where 136 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: it used to sit, right outside the window of the backyard. 137 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: So I've seen it, and then it's not scary. It's 138 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: just the ghost loves that house and loves that little area, 139 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: and but just the dog. 140 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: No other Oh there's the dog. 141 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: And then there's supposedly there's well another psychic woman came 142 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: over to functuey the place and she said that there 143 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: is a woman spirit there who lives there. But I, like, 144 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: I haven't seen her. I know that she's there. I 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: can kind of feel a presence in the house. It's 146 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: an old house, so there's something kind of there's something 147 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: kind of creaky and noisy about it. And then once 148 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: in a while there's some activity. Like I remember I 149 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: used to be married and my husband and I got 150 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: in a huge argument and then he act ended up 151 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: leaving and then that entire night the house was like shaking. 152 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: Lights were turning on and off. There was a lot 153 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: of like paranormal activity because the house was disrupted by 154 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: our fight, because it's like neighbors. 155 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, well that's interesting because I mean when I 156 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: was watching the TV show The Haunting, The Haunting of 157 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: Margaret Chow, where you're with psychic medium Kim Russo, who's iconic. 158 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: I love her, She's amazing, and she was talking about 159 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: your big ghost story I want to talk about, but 160 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: she was What she was explaining was the Poultergeist activity 161 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: sort of feeding off of your energy? Is that sort 162 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: of what you think it was? It was it was 163 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: set off by your energy in this house. 164 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: I think that, you know, it does feed off of aggression, 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: you know. I only notice it when I've had an 166 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: argument or there's some kind of problem, you know, and 167 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: then there's a lot of aggression and anger, and that 168 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: seems to wake up activity in my house, like if 169 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm having a fight. Now, I live alone will with 170 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: my dog, so I don't really sense any kind of disruptions. 171 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: I live in a kind of a very peaceful time 172 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: in my life. So there's not a lot of activity, 173 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, I don't sense it. And but sometimes like 174 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: my dog will be like barking at something and I 175 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: can't see or hear, and that's always like I wonder 176 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: if that's the actual ghost. But yeah, I think it's 177 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: a lady. I've been told it's a lady, that she 178 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: lives there, and I never see her. It's like a 179 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: roommate that you never see. That works all the time. 180 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: Sometimes I hear a little like walking around the house, 181 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: but nothing crazy. When I first moved in in like 182 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, the house was there was no electricity 183 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: and there was no furniture. So I remember like sleeping 184 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: on the floor with my other big dog, and I 185 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: uh looked out and I could see these like white 186 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: figures moving throughout the backyard, but it was really hard 187 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: to make out. And so it seemed like there was 188 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: something happening that was like sort of appearing visually, but 189 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't really tell. Every once in a while, I'll 190 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: have like a an experience where I'll see something and 191 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: then I'm like, is that my eyes playing tricks on me? 192 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: Or is that something there. 193 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: Interesting, but has the dog moved on? Do you think 194 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: her dog? 195 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, that the dog spirit. Her name was Tyler. She 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: was like a like a Setter Basset house mix, so 197 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: she's I think she's there still still somewhere. And also 198 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: that other dog that was there with me when I 199 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: first moved in, Uh, he used to put his snout 200 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: up girl's butt in the shower, like he loved to 201 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: put his snout up a girl's butt. And so he 202 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: had died a couple of days before. My friend came 203 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: over and was staying with me, and she took a 204 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: shower downstairs and she was like, oh my god, your 205 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: dog put his snout at my butt again. And I'm like, oh, no, 206 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: he died. And it was so weird. Oh no, just like, no, 207 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: he's downstairs. He put a snout of my butt. And 208 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: it was like it was a funny thing, like, oh, okay, 209 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: he's still here too. 210 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's kind of creepy. It's funny, it's 211 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: really funny. 212 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: It's super weird. But it's also kind of like, well, 213 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: I could see how the energy of him would stay around. 214 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: He was a very big spirit, and so maybe maybe 215 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: what we're seeing or witnessing isn't exactly like ghosts, but 216 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: like residual energy from their life. 217 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: It's sort of an imprint on the house. Or Yeah, 218 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: that that energy, that excitement that dog that I mean, 219 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: because when you think about energy, dogs are full of it. 220 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: So where does it go? It has to go somewhere. 221 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe it's like or the energy of like 222 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: the dog really wants to put his nose up this 223 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 2: girl's butt. But it's kind of like I'm going to 224 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: break through the impermeable veil of life and death and 225 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: since stick my nose up or butt, you know, it's 226 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: like a very it's a very interesting thing of like, well, 227 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: that's what you came to this world to do, is 228 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: stick your nose up a girl's butt. But maybe I 229 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: guess so sometimes you know, you have to We all 230 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: have our purpose, I know. 231 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk about this celebrity ghost story? Yes, 232 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: which I mean at this point, it was like ten 233 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: years ago, so sorry to dig up old. No, it's good, 234 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: but it's it's a good one. 235 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: It's a crazy one. So I was living in this 236 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: house in Peachtree City, which is a suburb of Atlanta, 237 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: and it was a big house it was like three bedrooms, 238 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: and uh, it was very it was like kind of 239 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: like a McMansion, very very large and very empty. And 240 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: I was staying there because I was shooting the show 241 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: there and I was dropped a yeah, yeah, so, which 242 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: is interesting because the show is all about ghosts and 243 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: past lives and new lives and reliving lives, and so 244 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ghost energy in that show. But 245 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: I was staying there and like there was so much 246 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: paranormal activity, Like it was so loud and like crazy 247 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: that I would actually try to drown it out by 248 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: playing music. And I had a lot of guitars there, 249 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: and so I play music. I would like try to 250 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: listen to things with headphones because I just was trying 251 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: to shut out the energy. And I would talk to 252 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: the ghosts there, like because it was more than one, 253 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: it felt like, and I would talk to them and say, look, 254 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: I have to live here too, so I'm fine with 255 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: you being here, but just please try not to scare me, 256 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: because that's real, that's really rough. Yeah, And I would 257 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: just try to make peace with them, and it was 258 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: kind of okay for a while. I just had to 259 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: sort of deal with the presence of something. But then 260 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: one time I remember laying in bed and something getting 261 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: in behind me, and that's like the real the grudge. 262 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait wait, hold up, so how did it start? 263 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: So you when you first come in are you? Are you? 264 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: Do you can see yourself like sensitive or yeah? 265 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: I mean I'm aware of a feeling of like whether 266 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: it's like a coldness in a room or a sense 267 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: of like there's some energy there that I know exists, 268 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: and I think that it's like I'll feel it, you know, 269 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: every once in a while, like I'm staying at a 270 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: hotel and I'll feel something or I'll dream something, and 271 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: then it feels very real to me. But in this place, 272 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: it was kind of like, oh, I know something's up 273 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: with this house. There's something weird about it. But I 274 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: don't mind. Actually I don't really care. I need to 275 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: live here. I don't want to move. I'm like really 276 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: close to set. 277 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, and. 278 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a really practical place for me 279 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: to live. 280 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: And had you talked to whoever owned the place or whoever? 281 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: You're no, they were in Europe, I guess I never 282 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: really found out the story of who these people were 283 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: who actually own the house. But it like the the 284 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: when I was in bed, something got in with me 285 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: and I was like because I could feel the bed 286 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: like sink down, like with somebody in the bed, and I'm. 287 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Like, oh no, and you were not facing. 288 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't facing. My back was to the Whatever was 289 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: behind me was a big, king sized bed and I 290 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: could feel like somebody get in the bed, like flip 291 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: up the blanket and get in. 292 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Now does that scare you? 293 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: That scared me, okay, because it was like a physical presence. 294 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: It was not temperature related. It was not a sound. 295 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: It was like the weight of a body on the 296 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: bed next to me. And it could have been a person, 297 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: Like I don't know. 298 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Does that ever cross your mind? Are you in that moment, 299 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: like is this an intruder? Ghost? 300 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: I was, But it was so quiet that it was like, 301 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't think it's an intruder because I didn't hear 302 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: the steps coming up to the you know, and I 303 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: was awake, at least I thought I was awake, but 304 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: it was like the bed sinking down, and I was 305 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: so terrified that I couldn't even move until the sun 306 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: came up and finally I turned around and there was 307 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: nothing there. Night I just stayed up like I was 308 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: so petrified. And then another time I got in the 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: bed again and then the bed lifted up, and then. 310 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Far, Okay, you're sleeping, and then all of a sudden 311 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I'm in the air. 312 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, with just for like a split second, like the 313 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: bed like just lifted up like if somebody had picked 314 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: it up, and then slammed it back down like that. 315 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: That was the sense of like, you know, like it 316 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: just off off of the ground and slammed it and 317 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: then again like it's like maybe I dreamed that, but 318 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: it felt so real in the moment that it was 319 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: like I got to get out here, and so I 320 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: called the Real Tour to make arrangements to leave. And 321 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: then as I was doing that, the garbage disposal started 322 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: to run without me turning it on. It just started running, 323 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: and then the ovens started beeping, and I'm like what 324 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: is that? And then I'm on the phone like saying 325 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 2: I got to get out of here, and it's just 326 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: like all this sound like erupting from the kitchen. So 327 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm still on the phone with her, and I like 328 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: ran down to the kitchen and I went to the 329 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: fuse box and I turned off all of the electricity 330 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: in the house and it was still going. So it 331 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: was super weird. And then I'm like, you know what, no, but. 332 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: The realtor didn't have anything to say about this. 333 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: Well, the realtor was like, look, the owner said, that's fine, 334 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: they'll let you out of the lease. It's it's totally fine. 335 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: You know, I've probably been through this a million times, 336 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: like you. 337 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: Can just go, just go. They're like, just go, just go. 338 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: And then I talked to another one of the actors 339 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: on the show, this guy very big, you know, strong man. 340 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm afraid of ghosts, like you know. So 341 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: he took over the lease for me because he wanted 342 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: to live there. So the first night he spent there, 343 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: he walked outside and the door slammed and locked and 344 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: dead bolted and he couldn't get back in, and he's like. 345 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh, they'll go back to the Oh my god. 346 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: So then a week later I came back and I 347 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: went up to the front door, and the front door 348 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: there was a rabbit dead, uh, just laying like spread 349 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: out on the sort of the doormat. 350 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: What do you think that's all about? 351 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. That was really strange, like that was 352 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: like maybe it got hit by a car, but then 353 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: why would it get thrown all the way to the doormat, 354 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: or maybe it's his kids or whatever. You know, it was. 355 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: Really the way that's fucked up energy in the neighborhood. 356 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: Super weird. 357 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: Oh, it was super weird. 358 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: So when you ended up leaving there was it because 359 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: you were wrapped and you didn't need it anymore. 360 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 2: I left because I was just like, I'm not going 361 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: to stay in this house anymore. Like I was like, 362 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: I can't sleep, I'm too I'm really rattled by this house, 363 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: and I'm not I'm not doing this, and so I 364 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: just moved. But you know, the the way that the 365 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: realtor explained, she said that this is hard for me 366 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: to sort of think about, but I kind of don't 367 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: buy it. But she said that the house is on 368 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: the Macintosh Trail, which is also known as the Trail 369 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: of Tears, so that there was a lot of residual, 370 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: painful energy because of the procession of Indigenous Americans who 371 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: died on that trail, you know, being forced from their home. 372 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: And so to me that anytime anybody says, oh, it's it, 373 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: it's like the Indian burial ground. I think that's kind 374 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: of a racist thing to sort of like talk about 375 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: like the weird mystery of indigenous cultures and how they're 376 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: like witchcraft. And I'm like, I wasn't buying that, like, 377 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: like I don't know, but that seems like that's the 378 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: sort of the explanation that she had given me. And 379 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: then Kim Russo said that there was a hell mouth 380 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: that had opened from these kids in the neighborhood, that 381 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: we're doing animal sacrifices and calling Satan in the eighties, 382 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: and that they's still there, and I was like, Okay, well, 383 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: maybe I'd buy that a little bit more. 384 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: Sure, that's what that's what Kim Marousso said. 385 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: I know, that's kind of a cute explanation. So I 386 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: was like, all right, it's a helme out. So I 387 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: went back for the haunting of and they the house 388 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: has been now was in this uh the family, the 389 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 2: Christian family lived there, and they were like, oh, nothing's 390 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: going on, it's all fine. But when I went in 391 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: the house, there was like a breathing apparatus between every 392 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: in every bed had some kind of like oxygen tank. 393 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: And also the marble counter had broken in half, like 394 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: the kitchen counter had broken in half simultaneously for no reason, 395 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 2: just spontaneously, not simultaneously, and then also simultaneously, the uh 396 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: bathtub upstairs, which is like a chacuozi tub had also 397 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: broken in half. 398 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, this was happening when you were there. 399 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: No after it happened when I after I had left. Oh, okay, 400 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: and then I came back to the house and I 401 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: saw that. Yeah, they all had oxygen machines by their beds, 402 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: so they're all sick. They all had Yeah, they had this, 403 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: the spontaneous breakage of a marble countertop and a bathtub 404 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: both splitting in half. 405 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: For I don't know why, mile is' not weird. There's 406 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: some ghost there. 407 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: Some hellmouth that got opened by some Satanic children. 408 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Some Satanic rabbit sacrifice children. So when you see yourself 409 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: on Celebrity ghost Stories, if you can remember back when 410 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: this was on, how did you feel about the reenactment? 411 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: That's my favorite question to ask people. Being reenacted seems 412 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: hilarious to me. 413 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: It's so funny because I was like, my girl, don't 414 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: look like me. But I was. 415 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Like, there's always a lot of wigotry going They threw 416 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: some kind of wig on that sort of looks like you, 417 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: but not really. 418 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: Like she has pigtails. I don't think so, Like it was. 419 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Like that she had really long hair. 420 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: She had really long hair that was like in like ponytails, 421 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: which I wouldn't do. I'm like, that's infantilism. Like I 422 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: was like, you're trying to make me so childish, and 423 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: but it was really funny because it was like, oh, 424 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: I can see why they were sort of putting her 425 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: in like sort of hippie clothes, and she's like playing guitar, 426 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: which I was trying to do. I was playing instruments 427 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: in order to try to soothe something. Sometimes. I think 428 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: like when you play music, there's something about the vibration 429 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: that soothing. And then I had a guitar that was 430 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: one hundred years old, so that that was like I 431 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well if I play this guitar, maybe 432 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: this will be soothing for whoever's here. But it was 433 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: more than that. It was kind of just more of 434 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: an erratic energy, more of a sharp, kind of shocking 435 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: kind of thing that like kind of really wanted to 436 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 2: scare me. So I do think it was like more 437 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: poultergeisty than ghosty. 438 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: So you should have played like eighty Satanic metal, right. 439 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: Because that would have been that would have been better. 440 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: I think that would have helped. But it's like, I 441 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: think it's just a funny thing too, like when people 442 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: say like Satanic, I don't know if I believe in 443 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: like satanic things either. To me, it's just kind of 444 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: like the uh, I don't know, making something that you 445 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: don't understand evil like teenage angst like rock and roll. 446 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: You know. 447 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: Yes, see, I don't know what I believe either. It's 448 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: really confused because I grew up Catholic and so it 449 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: was a lot of devil and God, and I don't 450 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: really know that I believe in the Christian Catholic belief 451 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: of God, and so if I don't, then that means 452 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't be able to believe in a demon 453 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: or a devil. But then what is that? I mean, Yeah, 454 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: there seems to be dark forces in this world. Yeah, 455 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, though. 456 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I think that like what 457 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: is dark forces is just what we don't know or 458 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: what we don't understand, or aggression, which I think is 459 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: dark with anybody or the devil really is our side 460 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 2: of our personality that's really selfish and self serving, which 461 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: is what Satanism is all about. Satanism is not about worshiping. 462 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: Satanis much as it is about worshiping yourself and worshiping 463 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: your own needs above others, which I think is like, well, 464 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: the Christian belief is we should put other people before us, 465 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: but in Satanism it's really, as far as I understand it, 466 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: it's like, let's put ourselves first, which I think is 467 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: actually kind of good in a lot of ways. 468 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Did you see Hal Satan the documentary? 469 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, oh you should watch it. 470 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it came out. It's more it's about, oh, I 471 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: get them confused because there's the Satanic Temple and then 472 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: there's the Church of Satan. One of them is the 473 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: Anton LaVey San Francisco, like that situation, which I think 474 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: is more about worshiping like the devil and that sort 475 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: of a little bit. But this in this documentary, it's 476 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: it's actually kind of punk. They're very just anti religion 477 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: and Christianity, you know, kind of forcing itself on America. 478 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: And it's a good documentary. 479 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: You should check it out. I mean, I agree with them. 480 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: I think that. I think that what I love about 481 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: Satanism is that it tries to acknowledge have the government 482 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: acknowledge them like a church, and have them tax free, 483 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: and let us put our monuments up, just like you 484 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: forced Christianity on us. I think that's really right and 485 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: it's really fair. And I do like Anton LaVey too, 486 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: because it's sixties, it's so San Francisco. He had a 487 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: cougar like he. 488 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: Had like the Jane Mansfield of it. Love that. 489 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: I love it. It's so chic and San Francisco and it's 490 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: very sixties, and you know, he was just a kind 491 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: of a show man like. He just liked the idea 492 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: of being a provoked society, provoke what we sort of 493 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: think about as our morals. And I like that a lot. 494 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: When did he die He died. 495 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: I think he died in like the nineties. 496 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: So was he ever around when you were in San Francisco? 497 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: No, well he was, but I never got to meet him. 498 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 2: I know his son. I one to him went to 499 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: a show where the only people there were me and 500 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: his son, and it was for it was for uh 501 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: you were performing? No, no, no, it was we were going 502 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: to see another band. But it was funny because it 503 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: was like we were the only audience members, but it 504 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: was fun. It was a fun show. And he's very 505 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: he looks like Anton Lavay. He's got like the shaved 506 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: head and he's very much like like the image of 507 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: his face. 508 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: And does he still keep the family business alive? 509 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: I think that that it's still, you know, kind of 510 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: it is like a family business, and it is kind 511 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: of there's two factions though. There's like him, and then 512 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: there's a Temple of Set, which is also San Francisco based, 513 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: and it's like a Satanic kind of more of an order, 514 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 2: but it's more like kind of combining all of these 515 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: religions like Zoroastrianism and like all of the sort of 516 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 2: satanic things and like a sort of pagan belief. So 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: there's a lot of crossover. 518 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: Interesting. 519 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. 520 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: That's the thought of it being sort of a mom 521 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: and pop business. 522 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: It is. It is like a family business, and it 523 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: is also it's just I like the way like satanic 524 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 2: stuff looks like I like black metal, like Norwegian black metal, 525 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: and I like the idea of like heavy metal, and 526 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: like I like the way it sounds. I like the 527 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: way the imagery, the makeup, it's cute. 528 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very well, I'm very fascinated by it. And 529 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: I think that it's very misunderstood, and I think that 530 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: even practitioners are people that want to be a part 531 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: of it, misunderstand what it's about. And I think sometimes 532 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: or like I think a lot of people murder people 533 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: in the name of the Satanic Church or you know, 534 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: over the years, there's been these people where I'm right, 535 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that that's what they were. 536 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: Going I don't think so, Like I yeah, like Richard Ramirez, 537 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: like he wants you to say you love Satan, and 538 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that that's actually the right interpretation of 539 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: what Satan wants. I think Satan wants you to be like, 540 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, he wants you to take care of business. 541 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: He wants to take care of you and put you first. 542 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: Satan is like it's kind of a symbol for like 543 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: self like self determination or where you're like the most 544 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: important part of the world. And so you know, I 545 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: think that there's something really important in that. 546 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, let's talk about this is a story 547 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: that's come up twice on the show. Selene Luna's bachelorette 548 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: party at Casita del Campo, which is sort of a 549 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: home away from home for me, and it's where I'm 550 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: doing my second live show on the twenty first of January, 551 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to have another psychic down there and 552 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: we're going to see what happens. But there was a 553 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: seance that Selene did, which I love, for her bachelorette party, 554 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: and you were there. Did you experience any paranormal activity? 555 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that we really felt it, like we 556 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: felt like the chill in the air. It was more 557 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: was like more temperature and more like a breeze coming through, 558 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: which is impossible to feel a breeze down there because 559 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: it's underground. 560 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: Where would it come from? 561 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 2: Like, where would it come from? It's weird. There's no windows, 562 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: So there was a weird sense of like movement in 563 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: the air and a cold energy inside. And you know, 564 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: the legacy of the place is that it's the busboy 565 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: who was murdered there. 566 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Yes, well I found it. I actually found an La 567 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: Times article that it was a burglar that came in 568 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: and he had a gun, I believe, and he shot 569 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: a server that was fine, that didn't die, but a 570 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: couple of servers subdued the burglar, and by the time 571 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: the cops came, the burglar was dead and there. 572 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: Was a burglar who Yeah, yeah, so that it was. 573 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: And I guess that it was like you could see 574 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: why that would leave an imprint, because if it's like 575 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: somebody who's coming in to rob the place, there's already 576 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: the aggressive act of that and then getting you know, 577 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: killed doing it. That's there's a lot of imprint in 578 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: the air. I think. 579 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Uh So, Lennie said that they asked him what he 580 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: wanted and he said, margueritea so that that's what she 581 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: heard on like some kind of voice boxes situation. 582 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the EVPs. I love the EVPs. It's a very 583 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: it's a very to me. That's like the most scary thing. 584 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, have you ever heard heard a ghost speak? 585 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: I mean I've heard it like like bang things and rattle, 586 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: not so many voices. I've seen things more than heard 587 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: them in and then the things that I've heard haven't 588 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: been voices. It's just like more like the clatter of 589 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: of like whatever it is, or like I have these 590 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: old Moroccan like metal lanterns that will shake, So that's it. 591 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: Seems to be a lot of Poultergeist activity around you, 592 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: which I don't even know if that I don't even 593 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: know that that's necessarily connected to A, like if that 594 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: ever was a spirit to begin with, Like a's sort 595 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: of an energy. Yeah, so I guess maybe you wouldn't 596 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: hear so many voices. 597 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never like attached to the person. The one 598 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 2: time I did hear her voice was driving. I used 599 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: to live in Beechwood Canyon and there is a tunnel 600 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: under the canyon that you can access one point of 601 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: it on this one little hill that kind of goes 602 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: sort of under gower. So I was driving on that 603 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: street with my friend and it was in the middle 604 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: of the night. We were looking for the access point 605 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: of the tunnel, and we stopped and we looked to 606 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 2: the left and there was a statue there that looked 607 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: like it didn't we didn't know where it came from, 608 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: but it was like a statue of a like a 609 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: Virgin Mary that was just there. And then we both 610 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: looked at it, and he was driving. We both looked 611 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: at it through his side window, and then I heard 612 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: a woman scream and I screamed, and then I was 613 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: yelling at my friend. I'm like, why did you scream? 614 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: Why did you scream? And he's like, I didn't scream, 615 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: and it was like a scream from like I don't 616 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: even know where it was from, but it was the 617 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: weirdest thing. So don't go looking for that tunnel under 618 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: Beachwood can. 619 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: No, you never want to hear us scream out in 620 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 1: the can Oh. 621 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: It was really scary. 622 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear some ghost voice? Yes? Okay, 623 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: it's time for EVP or ev please. Okay, so you 624 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: already know about EVP, so here's what I do. Usually 625 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: what happens is I'll just search for EVPs on YouTube. 626 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: But I actually got an email from a listener that 627 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: sent me some EVPs, So I want to listen to 628 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: him because this listener's name is Seth and he is 629 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: a psychic medium and he actually predicted the boyfriend I 630 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: currently have. He sent me. He sent me a message 631 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: a couple months ago and he was like, oh, he 632 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: gave me this description. He's like, he's coming, he's going 633 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: to be your boyfriend and he's not my boyfriend, and 634 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he appeared out of nowhere. That's great, 635 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: So thanks Seth, you legit, So Seth you could find 636 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: Seth on white Light Paranormal Insight dot com and he 637 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: That group services Southwest Washington to Portland, Oregon and surrounding areas, 638 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: and their mission is to assist the living and recognizing 639 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: and validating what may be paranormal activity and to help 640 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: find a resolution to the best of our ability whenever possible. 641 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: We also strive to assist those entities that maybe in 642 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: term I can never say that word turmoil or unrest. 643 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: So I think that's I think that's a wonderful approach. 644 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: So here is from a paranormal investigation that they did 645 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: at Kenton Station, which has a haunted basement in Portland, Oregon. 646 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: What do you think they think this ghost as saying 647 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: sounds like it little girls, sounds like it. 648 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Sounds like you're saying, nobody passed away. 649 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: Nobody passed away. Here's some options. Is it A I've 650 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: never seen cast away, Tom Hanks maybe's never seen it. 651 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: B she knows that I passed away. C Do you 652 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: know who's casting this maybe character? I don't know, very 653 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: Hollywood in Portland or D Is it just man man man, 654 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: not really anything. I think it was pretty clear. The 655 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: real answer is pretty close to what you said. She 656 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: knows that I passed away. 657 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. I mean, it's always scarier if it's child. 658 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: I know, what is with that? What do you think? 659 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: Because it's when children die, it's the death of possibility. 660 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: And I think that's the one thing for the human 661 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: experience that's really hard to accept, is when possibility is removed, 662 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 2: because life for us is all about possibilities. 663 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: Sure, so that it's all that potential. 664 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: Is potential lost potential, which I think is the greatest 665 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: tragedy of if you sort of boil it down, that's 666 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 2: always the greatest tragedy. 667 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: See. But to me that makes it sad. I don't 668 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if the scariness to me as I 669 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: think that they're just little and they're they're like it's. 670 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: Like forever cursed and Dunst in interview with a vampire. Yeah. 671 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: Well, and also I think their innocence is like like 672 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, they say if you see a baby rattlesnake, 673 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: like that's more dangerous because they'll just strike you. They 674 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: don't know any better exactly. It's almost like that maybe 675 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: with a child ghost like because I don't think that 676 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: they know that them being see through and going like 677 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: that's terrifying. 678 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 2: It's not scary, Yeah, it's not cute. It's like really scary. 679 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: But it's like kind of like this thing of like also, 680 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: you know, it's just kids are creepy. They are ever dead, 681 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: They're freaking scary. 682 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: That's what it always comes down to from me, Like 683 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: if you're creepy on Earth when you're dead, that's even Yeah. Yeah, 684 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: like if someone crawls into your and you're not expecting that, 685 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't care if you're alive or dead. 686 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 2: It's creepy. It's fucked up. No, But like that's really 687 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: like the Grudge too, Like the Grudge is like that 688 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: little boy. 689 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: There's a new grudge out in theaters Odge. 690 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 2: So scary when that first came out, Like all the 691 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: Jay horror really gets me in a really like a 692 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 2: place where I'm really unprotected, and that like soft underbelly 693 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 2: jay horror is like to me, like the scariest stuff. 694 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: Wait, that actually kind of reminds me. Do you know 695 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: kim You know Kim Chi. Yeah, she's a good friend 696 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: of mine and we she was on here and we 697 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: just spent the hour talking about Korean creepy folklore. Do 698 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: you know much about like the if you see a 699 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: woman with a red surgical mask and if she takes 700 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: it off, I think her face. 701 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: Is like like she doesn't have like it's like a smile. 702 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: That's all the way across. Yeah, that's like a thing. Also, 703 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: there's I think it's a bathroom ghost. Like if you're 704 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: like in the bathroom and you're on the toilet and 705 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: there's like a ghost that will come, like, don't. 706 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: Talk to it, don't talk to it, just ignore it. 707 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: Just just be on the toilet, don't be But that's 708 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: what my dad when he was a little boy, he 709 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: he was digging an outhouse with his brothers and they 710 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: found a dead body. They found a skeleton of a 711 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: soldier who had deserted, so they would like do stuff 712 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 2: with the skeleton to scare like the other people. 713 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: It's just a toy of. 714 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 2: It was just like I mean, that's just like that's 715 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: like so goth. They were like actually they were like 716 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: so pre Goth. They were like using the body to 717 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 2: like scare their sisters. Amazing sisters would go use the bathroom. 718 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so crazy. You have a cool 719 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: pre god. But see that those stories of like the 720 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: bathroom ghost and the Lady of the Mouth, like those 721 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: are kind of just like folk lore, right right, I 722 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: mean because that's what we talked about that like how 723 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: many people actually have reported it? But I guess they 724 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: would be dead. Who knows. Maybe that person that was 725 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: on the toilet that became a skeleton, there was a 726 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: toilet ghost and that's how they became a skeleton. Right, Okay, 727 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: here's one more EVP or ev Please this is from 728 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: the same haunted place. Maybe it's the same ghost. 729 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: Right, it sounds similar. 730 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: This ghost is booked and blessed, getting busy. 731 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: I don't I can't make it out. 732 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: I'll give you some options. Is it a it's fucking 733 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: tight in here, b let's get it started in here? 734 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it was a Black Eyed Peas fan remember that 735 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: song Let's get it started. See this stuff is right? 736 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: Or d I think that's Titus per Jazz. 737 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 2: I think that's Titus Purchase. Wait, let's just say I 738 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: think it's Titus Burches. 739 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: I like that it's they believe it says it's fucking 740 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: Titan here. Well, I don't know what exactly she's referring to. 741 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: That's like in San Francisco. There was this house that 742 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 2: it's like old Victorian that they were remodeling, and they 743 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 2: found the coffin of a little girl and that had 744 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: died I guess in the Victorian era, and she was 745 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 2: perfectly preserved, like no decay at all, like a really 746 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 2: pretty Wait how does that happen? I don't know. But 747 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 2: that's also like a weird thing too, when there's like 748 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: an incorruptible an incorruptible body, like when they're like perfectly preserved. 749 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: That's super weird too interesting. 750 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 751 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: Wait, you were also on Hollywood Medium with Tyler Henry. Yes, yes, 752 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: and Robin Williams came through. 753 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 2: Right well, he had come through the war all because 754 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: there was this thing I had an old record of 755 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 2: his reality would a concept his his LP And then 756 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 2: it was in another room on the wall and Tyler 757 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 2: like was pointing at the wall saying that he was there. 758 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 2: But you know, Tyler had never been in that room, 759 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 2: so that was interesting. 760 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: Interesting. 761 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that that that's like a 762 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 2: definite like you know, his spirit is it feels palpable, 763 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 2: like because he was such a great spirit in life, 764 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: his energy would come. 765 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: Through I think, so feel him around. 766 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 2: I don't, but I think that, like, uh, I think 767 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 2: maybe in San Francisco when I go, because I I 768 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 2: remember places where i'd seen him and he was around. 769 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: I did an event with his family last year and 770 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 2: there was a sense of him, you know, in the 771 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 2: room and and you know, we were talking all about 772 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So I feel that presence. There's 773 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: another my best friend for forty years. Her name is 774 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 2: Jerry Lawler, actually Lucia. Her middle name is Lawla. She 775 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: is named after Jerry. Jerry died on January twenty eighth 776 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen. So I definitely feel her around in 777 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: a very strange, disruptive way. 778 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: That is. 779 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 2: Hard because it's like, Okay, well here's somebody that's like 780 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 2: really close to me who's dead. And I definitely feel 781 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 2: like a sense of like, okay, there's something coming about this, 782 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: like the energy around this that is going to manifest 783 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 2: in something. And you know, I don't feel like her 784 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 2: spirit is at rest because her death was pretty difficult, 785 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 2: and also she was somebody who was so alive, So 786 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 2: that's something that's hard. 787 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to bring it up. 788 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hard to it's hard to think about, 789 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, like when you're really close to somebody who dies. 790 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 2: This is the first person that I've been this close to, Yeah, 791 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 2: who's dead. And you know, it's really it's something. It's 792 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,479 Speaker 2: quite jarring still, and so maybe it's also my own 793 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 2: grief and trying to put it to purpose somehow. 794 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, No, I think that it's I definitely have 795 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: people like that in my life that I just know 796 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: are with me. And especially in moments where like if 797 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm about to perform and for some some kind of 798 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: scary show that's just a lot of people or some 799 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: kind of big deal or something, I always just kind 800 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: of take a moment backstage and I feel them and 801 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel good. 802 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very comforting. 803 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: Very comforting. I think that it's something that can certainly 804 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: be Yeah, a comfort a good thing, you know. Yeah, 805 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: there's a good way to approach that. Yes, hey, let's 806 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: talk about what you got going on. You're touring, Yeah. 807 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 2: I'm always doing shows. I'm actually headed up to San 808 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: Francisco to do Sketch Fest. Oh fine, Yeah that's happening, 809 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 2: and that's really cool. I'm going to do some music 810 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 2: from I play with this band like once or twice 811 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 2: a year. So I don't really do music very often 812 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 2: these days, but this band is really special to call 813 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 2: the Red Room Orchestra. So I'll be singing some David 814 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 2: Lynch songs from David Lynch movies and also from Anders movies. 815 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, and your podcast, The Margaret Show Test with Yes, 816 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: So that's every what is that every Tuesday? 817 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 2: It comes out. It's on the Aeros network, but you 818 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 2: can get it anywhere you get podcasts. But yeah, we 819 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,280 Speaker 2: have lots of fun guests. You should come beyond. 820 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: I would be honored. 821 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 2: Great. 822 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: Well, what I like so much about it is that 823 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: you have two people every episode, one person that everyone 824 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: kind of knows and then someone that you're kind of 825 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: introducing the world to, which I love that you do. 826 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 2: That's yeah, Yeah, it's great because I'm so I mean, 827 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 2: I I'm so lucky that I get to know so 828 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 2: many talented people. So it's really nice to have that option, 829 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 2: you know, to to sort of introduce people's voices, which 830 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 2: is great. 831 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, Well, thank you so much 832 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: for doing this. 833 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 2: Thank you. 834 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: This is a true honor and that's all I have. 835 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 836 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: See what did I tell you? Margaret Choe? I can't 837 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: even believe it. I know, I kind of wasn't myself. 838 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: I was at that interview. I feel I'm a little 839 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: self conscious because I was like fan girly. My heart 840 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: was pounding, which is just it's so weird because again, 841 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 1: she's just She's just a cool, cool person, and so 842 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just crazy. But you know, it's fun 843 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,919 Speaker 1: to be a little starstrug sometimes. I will be doing 844 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: some shows coming up that i'd like to tell you about. 845 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to be hosting Ross Matthews's Dragtastic Bubbly Brunch 846 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: in West Hollywood at Rockos on the eighth of februaryy. 847 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: I will also that night be doing my stand up 848 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: show with Sampancake at the world famous Hollywood Improv. We 849 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: took off January. We're coming back hot in February and 850 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: it will be at nine pm that is the eighth 851 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: of February. You can get your tickets on Hollywood dot 852 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: Improv dot com and oh even before then, this Sunday, 853 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: which is the nineteenth, I'm going to be an ox 854 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: Nard doing some Dragtastic Bubbly Brunch and then you know, 855 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: the twenty first, of course, you already know the live 856 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: show is going to be happening. I also want to 857 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 1: give a shout out to Jim Harold, who's just truly 858 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: paranormal icon. He has been paranormal podcasting since the early 859 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: days of podcasting, and he has many podcasts. But I 860 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to be a guest on the paranormal 861 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 1: podcast Toasted by Jim Harold. So go give that a 862 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: listen and subscribe to his show and support him because 863 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: he is someone that's been doing this for a long 864 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: time and I have so much respect for him. And 865 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: welcome to anyone that heard me on there, I welcome you. Okay, 866 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: if you have a ghost story, here's what you do. 867 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: Rate the podcast five stars on Apple Podcasts. You can 868 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: leave your ghost story there, or you can go to 869 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: our Facebook group which is called Ghosted by Roz dress Fales. 870 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Cameo Roz dres Falas, Instagram, 871 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: Roz dres Falas, I have a Facebook page, a Twitter, 872 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: I'm everywhere Roz dress Fales. Guys, I love you all, 873 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you 874 00:47:46,680 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me. Hey bye. Star Bands 875 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: on their 876 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 2: A podcast network