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Speaker 1: I'm up to the NFL report. We are almost done

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Speaker 1: with week eight. I am Steve White with James Palmer JP.

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Speaker 1: We have got the Jags winners of five straight. We've

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Speaker 1: got Kirk Cousins of Vikings quarterback out injured. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a lot more on that, a lot of perspective

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Speaker 1: about the trade deadline. We also Mark Ross, former executive

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Speaker 1: with the New York Giants and Eagles. He's gonna help

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Speaker 1: us walk us through the trade deadline stuff. And of

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Speaker 1: course Jeff Chedia's first raid first read We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: have raigs yet. And Jae Slater also coming to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Cowboys. Will they be active at the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline after they just drubbed the Rams? But JP, it's

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Speaker 1: also the eve of Halloween, all right, so say yeah, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: D and I went to a Halloween party. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't really like to come out of character much,

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Speaker 1: but I did put on a Jack Skellington costume. It

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Speaker 1: got rave shues, rave reviews about that. But what about

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Speaker 1: some of your great Hollywood memories, whether they be a

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Speaker 2: But I have to say, this is the number one

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Speaker 2: holiday in the Palmer household. My wife, my son are

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Speaker 2: just obsessed with Halloween. I mean our house is insane

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Speaker 2: right now. People do Christmas light. See, we've got purple

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Speaker 2: lights all throughout the front of the yard right now

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Speaker 2: for Halloween. I remember back though, one year I played

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Speaker 2: a hockey player. Wore my roller blades. I'd cover more ground,

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Speaker 2: fill that pillowcase up, and really just take care of

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, like Philadelphia, man.

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Speaker 2: Sidewalks are all cracked, all destroyed and everything. I was

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Speaker 2: left in the dust by all my boys, Like I

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Speaker 2: was way behind. They're going up the houses. I'm getting wrecked.

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Speaker 2: I had to kick the skates off and try to

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Speaker 2: catch up. Was a great idea. It did not work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure your calves and your shins were quite

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Speaker 1: sore from rock and roller blades and your lack of.

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Speaker 3: Pro We got the ads on for every time I fell. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hey, well, well, one of the great things you're growing

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Speaker 1: Defensive and Carl Eller. He was about ten houses away,

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Speaker 1: he or somebody in this house. It was a long

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Speaker 1: time ago they'd hand out autographed pictures and back then

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Speaker 1: that's when the football players took pictures, like with their

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Speaker 3: Let's go. That's great.

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Speaker 1: How Frankenstein looks so Carl Eller, him and I talk

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Speaker 1: of Fame. One of my favorite players ever, number eighty

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Speaker 1: one for the Purple People Eaters. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: JP and Andre Johnson used to give out old receiver

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Speaker 3: It was awesome. He'd collect them.

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Speaker 2: All from you know, up until up until Halloween, and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give out my gloves. He's great.

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Speaker 1: Had to be the best Halloween treat ever. But Jamie,

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Speaker 1: let's get to week eight because we had some big

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Speaker 1: nine US getting dusted by the Bengals, for their third

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Speaker 1: straight loss, or the Bengals looking dominant in their third

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Speaker 1: straight win, all of which have come over NFC West teams.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm gonna say, the bigger news is

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Speaker 2: this might be out of order, but the bigger news

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Speaker 2: for me is Cincinnati coming out and playing the way

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Speaker 2: that they went and took care of business out of

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Speaker 2: and the way he was able to move, the way

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Speaker 2: he was able to use his athletic ability. I don't

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Speaker 2: think people understand Steve how athletic of a player Joe

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Speaker 2: at practice he's been clocked at twenty one miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: You saw some explosiveness from his lower body, him go

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Speaker 2: which is just astounding. This was a game to me,

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Speaker 2: the biggest news was as Super Bowl contender is back

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Speaker 2: playing like one, and an MVP candidate is back playing

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow twenty eight of thirty two, folks, that's only

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Speaker 1: then he'd get up with that killer he had it back.

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Speaker 1: Hey, but this is why the Bengals are going to

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Speaker 1: be dangerous moving forward. Their defense looked back. Their defense

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Speaker 1: over brock Purty. He was under constant pressure and then

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Speaker 1: the linebackers, I mean Logan Wilson. Look at this play

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Speaker 1: the way their defense harassed Rock Purty is why folks

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit. Steve, I'm

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Speaker 2: not that concerned about Rock Purty. Yes, the middle of

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Speaker 2: where these interceptions have come. Obviously, I think one was

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Speaker 3: This could have been a four interception game for Brock Perty.

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Speaker 2: But what jumps out at me is you mentioned Deebo

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Speaker 2: then they got behind. This is not really a group

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Speaker 2: and what happened with that Steve right, they got rid

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Speaker 2: of running the football. They abandoned the run, and George

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Speaker 2: Kittle said it best after the game. When we don't

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Speaker 2: it impacted Rock Purty a sense. But I will say

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Speaker 3: The show Steve.

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Speaker 1: He's still the running.

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Speaker 3: Are always defending Rock Party. It seems like we're still

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Speaker 2: Everybody in that locker room said we were in this

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Speaker 2: game because of Rock Party. The way he went out

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Speaker 2: rushing with fifty seven rushing yards. Was Stee's still a

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Speaker 2: pretty decent performance to keep them in line. Let's move

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Speaker 2: on to the other game that I wasn't in Denver

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Speaker 2: for Steve that we want to break down the first half,

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Speaker 2: but it.

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Speaker 3: Was a massive game.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen straight losses to the Chiefs came to an end.

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Speaker 3: Roll at Elsie four.

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Speaker 3: Bonito throws the ball on the run. That ball is

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Speaker 5: Simmons in Kansas City territory, get out of dolls, Justin.

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Speaker 4: This is a huge win for the Denver Broncos as

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Speaker 2: As the voice of Dave Logan, the voice of the

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Speaker 2: Denver Broncos, Steve, what is bigger news off of this game?

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Speaker 2: The streak being snapped by the Kansas by the Street

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Speaker 2: Kansas City went out and did offensively in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bigger news is the Broncos for the second straight

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Speaker 1: game looking like a very complete football team. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: type of you know, winning eight out of nine, that

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can throw dirt on the Broncos

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Speaker 1: like we were earlier this season. Russell Wilson has looked steadier.

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Speaker 1: The overall offensive functionality has looked far more Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: not putting too much on anybody, but Jp, it has

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Speaker 2: Steve, they were gonna just unload players. There were rumors,

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Speaker 1: Neither one of us now that thy much the NFL

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: James Palmer, Steve Witch with you, and this is the

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Speaker 2: maiden voyage for our own Tom Pellisero NFL Insider, and

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Speaker 2: why not Tam Tom take your time away from you

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Speaker 2: Tom Way had a big trade right the day before

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Speaker 6: Well, James, this is one of those trades that really

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Speaker 6: Now you add Leonard Williams upfront as well, Who's a

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Speaker 3: They move forward here.

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Speaker 6: If Leonard Williams have walked in free agency, would have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great explanation Aaron Tom and as we kind

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Speaker 6: Well, I would say see of the Vikings are always

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim, you're right.

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Speaker 6: Well, we know that the Rams have a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom, it'd be really interesting to see if somebody

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Speaker 1: Tom Pe, we know you are super busy right now.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking a couple of minutes. Got to

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Speaker 3: Go do you have fun to fun? This is great?

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Speaker 3: Love it? Where else would I want to be? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can tell you I could see it on your face.

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Speaker 3: I can see it on your face. Tom.

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Speaker 1: Now, one team that we heard is not going to

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Speaker 1: But here's Jerry Jones talking about that a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And you add in what he's in the way he's

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Speaker 7: As you guys open, I just want y'all to keep

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Speaker 1: Here at our other Cowboys owner GM Jerry Jones talking

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Speaker 1: not to talk about Dak Prescott, but about their future

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Speaker 1: moving forward with potential trades. And Jane, do you expect

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Speaker 9: The answer was no. I said, do you see yourselves

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Speaker 8: That, because obviously you've got a Dak Prescott that's playing well.

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Speaker 8: this on The Insiders earlier. What about Derek Henry. The

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Speaker 8: Cowboys can't seem to get their running game going. Derek

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Speaker 8: Henry would cost them a lot. I don't see them

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Speaker 8: making that move, and he's not exactly a young buck either.

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Speaker 8: You just moved on from Ezekiel Elliott for that, and

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Speaker 8: then Patrick Sartan was another one I saw kicked around

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Speaker 8: another one. I think that the cost would be a

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Speaker 8: little bit too high, and I think they like the

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Speaker 8: production they're getting out of guys like Deron Plan, who

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Speaker 8: now is tied for receiving touchdowns on this team.

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Speaker 9: You've got Jordan Lewis, and you've also got Stefan Gilmore.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to Dearn Bland. Jane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love when we talk players that are

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Speaker 2: just playing out of their minds and are not the

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Speaker 2: household name outside of the fan base that they play within.

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Speaker 3: What has Deron Bland done because he's had to do

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Speaker 3: a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Different things in terms of the way he's been moved

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Speaker 2: around within this defense.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they've moved him from the inside to

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Speaker 8: the outside, inside, outside again. And I certainly think he

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Speaker 8: had a really impressive rookie season, but I don't think

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Speaker 8: they expected him to do as much as they're asking

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Speaker 8: him to do this season.

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Speaker 9: He does seem to be.

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Speaker 8: A little bit of a ballhawk at this point, and

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Speaker 8: you know, they got him in the fifth round. I

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Speaker 8: actually caught up with him post game yesterday and I said,

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Speaker 8: do you have a little bit of a chip.

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Speaker 9: On your shoulder? Do you feel overlooked?

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Speaker 3: He?

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Speaker 8: You know, he essentially said he did. He was a

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Speaker 8: guy that started out at a small school that went

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Speaker 8: to Fresno State. But again, that is kudos to the

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Speaker 8: scouting department and guys like Will McLay. A lot of

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Speaker 8: Cowboy fans want to go ahead and knock the Cowboys

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Speaker 8: for not making a lot of these trades or big moves,

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Speaker 8: but look at a lot of the guys that they

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Speaker 8: draft and develop and then resign.

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Speaker 9: That is what they love to do in Dallas.

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Speaker 8: They don't have to give up a lot of these

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Speaker 8: picks that they covet and to Ron Bland proving to

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Speaker 8: be one of those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jane, you know, for the folks in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: they can't see it, but your puff is waking up

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Speaker 1: and really good stretch.

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Speaker 3: Right, there's some action back.

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Speaker 1: But you talk about Dron Bland, you know, having a

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Speaker 1: cross chain from slot to the outside. Remember his first

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Speaker 1: game back was right when Trey Diggs got hurt. They

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Speaker 1: moved him outside. He gets roasted, and now he comes back.

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Speaker 1: He's been fantastic since. But what about dan Quinn and

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Speaker 1: the guys that defensive staff have done in moving pieces around,

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Speaker 1: Because we've seen Marquise Bell, a safety who now is

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Speaker 1: essentially the will linebacker for the Cowboys, and what that

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Speaker 1: versatility helps him do when they come to match up

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Speaker 1: a lot of these teams that go empty set or

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Speaker 1: sometimes go heavy in the backfield.

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Speaker 8: I'm not checking out of that conversation and saying I'm bored,

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Speaker 8: I'm on my phone, but I wanted to.

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Speaker 9: There was a screenshot last night where.

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Speaker 8: They had dan Quinn Basically it was right before that

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Speaker 8: Parsons hit on Stafford and there was this really interesting

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Speaker 8: alignment and I reached out to a buddy and I said,

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Speaker 8: what are they doing here? I've never seen this, and

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Speaker 8: they said it was a four man rush, not even

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Speaker 8: a blitz, drussed up with really white splits. They played

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Speaker 8: man coverage behind it with a free safety d giving

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Speaker 8: Parsons space and trying to isolate him on the interior

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Speaker 8: offensive line.

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Speaker 9: But I don't know if I can even hold this up.

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Speaker 8: As Chuck Cooperstein who's here in the market, it is

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Speaker 8: the wildest lineup that you've seen of the defensive players.

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Speaker 8: But just kind of going to what you're saying, just

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Speaker 8: thee innovation of dan Quinn. Again, I don't know if

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Speaker 8: that that probably didn't turn out great people people certainly

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Speaker 8: can't see it on the podcast, guys, but you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm a fan like you, and I love you know.

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Speaker 8: We keep talking about dan Quinn is an old dog

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Speaker 8: who's come up with some new tricks and it's working

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Speaker 8: in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of old dog new and your puff behind

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Speaker 1: you as absolutely starting to do some of those tricks.

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Speaker 1: Jane Slater absolutely great stuff and JP, as we had

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Speaker 1: to break is Jane Slater the queen of either the

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Speaker 1: text or the screenshots on the NFL Report. We love you, Jane,

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Speaker 1: and let's go come back on the NFL Report well

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Speaker 1: more moving forward include week eight look forward to we.

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Speaker 3: Not welcome back into the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: James Palmer, Steve Witch with you, and we are joined

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Speaker 2: by Mark Ross. At a very crucial time mark in

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Speaker 2: the NFL season, one of my favorite times to try

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Speaker 2: to pull back the curtain and see what goes on

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Speaker 2: in facilities. And you've been there, You've been in those rooms,

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Speaker 2: You've been in those conversations. What is going on across

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Speaker 2: the NFL right now as we're leading into that trade deadline?

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Speaker 2: What happens behind closed doors? And how active is it

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Speaker 2: going to be?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 10: James, first of all, you should have a plan throughout

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Speaker 10: the whole season. You're constantly evaluating your team, your pro

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Speaker 10: personnel department, your coaches in conjunction with your GM are

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Speaker 10: constantly talking about your team and making moves, guys on

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Speaker 10: your practice squad, evaluating players on other teams, so that

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Speaker 10: you know, how can we get better? Do we need

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Speaker 10: to get better? We need give these young guys a

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Speaker 10: chance that we have here. Where are we as a

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Speaker 10: team right now, where are we trying to get to?

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Speaker 10: So it shouldn't be oh man, we're here this week,

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Speaker 10: today and tomorrow we need to go do something. This

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Speaker 10: should be a constantly evolving situation with your team and

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Speaker 10: with your personnel department about where you are, where you're

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Speaker 10: trying to get to. And now with that, it looks

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Speaker 10: like some wins and losses and where you are in

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Speaker 10: the season now dictates a little bit of it. Wish

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Speaker 10: they would move it back a little bit to give

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Speaker 10: teams a little bit more time, but that's a whole

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Speaker 10: lot of discussion we can get into. But really that's

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Speaker 10: what you're trying to do, and really it's taken off

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Speaker 10: the last couple of years. Back in my day, they're

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Speaker 10: basically were we didn't really even pay attention a lot

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Speaker 10: to the trade deadline and even in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 10: there was only two trades for the whole time. Last

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Speaker 10: year was they crushed it where it was twelve just

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Speaker 10: on Tuesday alone. So it seems like teams now are

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Speaker 10: willing to take a chance and go all in to

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Speaker 10: find that guy that can get them where they need

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Speaker 10: to go, or stop draft picks for the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Mark, we're see we've already seen the trades

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Speaker 1: leading up to the deadline. I mean, Leonard Williams just

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Speaker 1: got moved from the Giants to the Seahawks. We saw

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Speaker 1: Kevin Byard go from Tennessee to Philadelphia. These are guys

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Speaker 1: with expiring contracts and they're on teams that are struggling.

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Speaker 1: Send them to competitive teams. So tell me this, if

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Speaker 1: you're a seller, right, we keep on hearing the Washington

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Speaker 1: Commanders they could be sellers. What does that do to

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Speaker 1: the morale of the guys who are left behind and

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff left behind knowing they're under some directive

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Speaker 1: to start partying with players who they once thought they

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Speaker 1: could build their future around.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you just mentioned that Lonet Williams trade, and Seattle

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Speaker 10: is going to get him because we're close. We're winning

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Speaker 10: the division. We're going to go win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: Whereas the Giants says, well, we're not very good right now.

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Speaker 10: We just lost that thriller to the Jets, and maybe

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Speaker 10: we need to move this money. We're gonna lose Leonard

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Speaker 10: Williams at the end of the season. Anyway, Let's go

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Speaker 10: get him. So, yes, you mentioned them morale. And I've

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Speaker 10: been on two teams, one with the Eagles, one with

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Speaker 10: the Giants that was three and thirteen, and there is

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Speaker 10: no such thing as tanking. These coaches, these players, they

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Speaker 10: have so much invested in every single snap where it

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Speaker 10: could be your last. These coaches know that their resume

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Speaker 10: is out there every single game they go coach. So

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Speaker 10: I've never been a part of even on those teams

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Speaker 10: where it's we're giving up this season. But now you

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Speaker 10: see this indication here from ownership and the GM and

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Speaker 10: the coach of the Giants or whatever team is trading

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Speaker 10: away star players. And yes, that's sending a message saying

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Speaker 10: we need to move on, and they're looking at the

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Speaker 10: bigger picture of the team, which they have to do.

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Speaker 10: But these other players don't care about that. I'm sure

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Speaker 10: every single one of them want Leonard Williams and the

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Speaker 10: Giants to be a part of that team because they

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Speaker 10: think they give him a better chance to win. And

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Speaker 10: then once you start seeing that happen, and again I've

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Speaker 10: been on those three and thirteen teams, and more that

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Speaker 10: season goes on, those other guys are kind of checking out,

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Speaker 10: like where are we really trying to go?

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Speaker 3: So yes, that's a real thing.

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Speaker 10: These guys are professional athletes, but they're also real people too,

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Speaker 10: and they see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: You see what's going on, Mark, and then you start going, well,

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Speaker 2: I better put some good film out there. Yeah, for

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Speaker 2: the thirty one other teams as well as I'm looking

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Speaker 2: out for me and my family too.

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Speaker 3: I mean that goes on as well.

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Speaker 2: And you start having guys sometimes, right, Mark, Like then

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Speaker 2: you play out of the system, right, and the guys

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Speaker 2: are trying to go do something different or do something

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Speaker 2: extra or It's interesting to see what happens to some

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Speaker 2: of these teams in the back half. Where we're at

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Speaker 2: right now, though, and let's move to a team that

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Speaker 2: has made we'll see a change at quarterback with the

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans and Will Levis what he was able to

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Speaker 2: go out there and do in his first NFL start

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Speaker 2: with four touchdown passes.

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Speaker 3: Do you see what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: As something now that they need to change their philosophy

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Speaker 2: and where they stand in this season. As we're talking

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Speaker 2: about where teams evaluate themselves and go, Mark, maybe all right,

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Speaker 2: let's evaluate Will Levis at the quarterback position because maybe

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Speaker 2: we're not winning the division, maybe we're not a playoff team.

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Speaker 3: Let's stick with him and figure out if we have

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Speaker 3: a quarterback.

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Speaker 10: Well, no doubt that. And when I'm looking at this

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Speaker 10: team and look ran Tannehill.

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Speaker 3: As much as we love him, the guy's been struggling

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Speaker 3: in the last few years.

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Speaker 10: Even when they were at their best, it was all

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Speaker 10: about King Henry second records and winning games and Tannehill

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Speaker 10: just managing the games. Okay, you go draft Malik Willis

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Speaker 10: for a reason because you want to get better. Well,

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Speaker 10: he seemed not to be the answer after playing, and

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Speaker 10: now you got Will Levis. You drafted him for a reason.

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Speaker 10: And then yesterday you saw those big time flashes of

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Speaker 10: why they drafted that young man. So now you have

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Speaker 10: to give him a chance to play in the NFL.

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Speaker 10: It's all about consistency of do you consistently do good

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Speaker 10: things well or do you consistently do bad things well?

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Speaker 10: And a one game sample size is not enough for

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Speaker 10: Will Levis, as wonderful as he looked yesterday. You have

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Speaker 10: to let him play. You have to see how these

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00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 10: defensive coordinators are going to react to what he does

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00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 10: and if he can adjust, that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 10: Being Okay, average, good to great in the NFL is

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Speaker 10: how consistently well you can do great things against defensive

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Speaker 10: coordinators and other teams once given that opportunity. So when

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Speaker 10: I'm looking at this team, you have to give him

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Speaker 10: a chance or wrestle away ride with the ups and

658
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 10: downs and the goods and good and bad, so you

659
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 10: know where you are next year and you're preparing for

660
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 10: the offseason of what you have. Unlike a team that

661
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 10: we just saw with the Atlanta Falcons, who maybe waited

662
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 10: a little too late to see what they had in

663
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 10: Desmond Ritter and kind of fool themselves into thinking he

664
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 10: was the guy because of the short sample size that

665
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 10: they had. So two different teams, two opposite philosophies of Hey,

666
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 10: now you have a chance with Tennessee to see what

667
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 10: this guy is. Go play him where the Atlanta Falcons are.

668
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 10: I don't know if we want to touch on that

669
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 10: steam Oh.

670
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, we're touching on this. Go ahead, JPS.

671
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, before we move on to the Falcons.

672
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: I really want to but real quickly, I want to

673
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: ask you Mark, when you're saying you really want to

674
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: take a good look at a guy like Will Levis

675
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: and you want to put him in a good position

676
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: to succeed. When you have a veteran receiver like DeAndre Hopkins,

677
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: that can really be a comfort blanket for a young quarterback.

678
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: But he's also in a spot where you could move him.

679
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: If you're in this type of transition. What's the better

680
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: play in your opinion, to try to keep Hop to

681
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: help Will Levis grow, or do you look in the

682
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: more long term as well, and he's somebody that aby

683
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: has some value on the market at the deadline.

684
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 10: Well, I think yesterday's game was an indication of what

685
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 10: they need to do. I mean, because he hoped it

686
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 10: looked like vintage Hop and he said, no, no, this

687
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 10: is still me right now, that's not vintage. I can

688
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 10: still do this. And then you got Derrick Henry. I

689
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 10: thought yesterday's game we were just going to see a

690
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 10: heavy dose thirty carries a game for Derrick Henry and

691
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 10: just limit what Will Levis was trying to do. But

692
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 10: it was the opposite approach, for he really was airing

693
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 10: it out. Those guys were getting deep, you know, all

694
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 10: that secondary double moves all day long, guys running free.

695
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 10: So I think four Will Levitt and his development, you

696
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 10: always want to start a receiver that can bail you out.

697
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: But it was really about excellent game planning.

698
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 10: And he looked confident, you know, he looked confident, and

699
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 10: he looked like, I'm going to go do this out here.

700
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 3: So they still have a chance, you know.

701
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 10: And it's not as if you're looking at the AFC

702
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 10: and there's a you got a couple teams up top,

703
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 10: but they're still relatively in the mix. So see if

704
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 10: Will Levis with d Hop with King Henry can go

705
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 10: get this done. You want to maximize and have as

706
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 10: much support network around a young guy as possible. Keep

707
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 10: d hot, let's see what this guy can do with

708
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 10: with all his playmakers.

709
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Mark, we're real heavy, so keep this as tight as possible.

710
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Desmond Ridder and the Falcons waiting too

711
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: late to get a look at him. They made move

712
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: to Taylor Heineke. Their head coach, Arthur Smith is playing semantics,

713
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, gymnastics with whether it's going to be Taylor

714
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: Heinike or they're going to keep continue with Desmond Ridder,

715
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: trying to say, well, we have to see medically because

716
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: ridd had a concussion. But if you're the Falcons, don't

717
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: you have to do something now instead of figure it out?

718
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: Because they could finish seven and ten for the third

719
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: year in a row after spending a boatload of money

720
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: in free agency and drafting someone like Bijon Robinson, who's

721
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: a third skill player. You've chosen to protect your quarterback

722
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: in the top ten over the past.

723
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 10: Three seasons, and you got Kyle Pists and Drake London

724
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 10: and all those guys. You're like, Okay, where are we now?

725
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 10: And it just seems when I look at Atlanta and

726
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 10: what's coming out of there and the coach speak is

727
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 10: there's no consistency. A team wants consistency. A team wants

728
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 10: to know who to believe in, what quarterback to believe in.

729
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 10: And when your head coach is going out there kind

730
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 10: of giving mixed messaging and worried about what the media

731
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 10: is thinking, worried about what fans are thinking.

732
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: That's not the right message to send.

733
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 10: I've been around too soon to be Hall of Fame

734
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 10: coaches and Tom Koffer and Andy Reid, and they did

735
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 10: not care anything about what the team wanted. They would

736
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 10: protect their guys and protect their quarterback the team and

737
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 10: it was all about taking the onus, on themselves and

738
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 10: not worrying about the outside noise. And it just doesn't

739
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 10: seem to be that same sort of culture. We talk

740
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 10: about culture overused a lot, but that all starts with

741
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 10: the head coach, and he's got to set the tone

742
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 10: of Hey, this is where we are, this is where

743
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 10: we were going, this is our guy, and just be

744
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 10: upfront and consistent and honest.

745
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: With everyone going on there.

746
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 10: So I don't know what week that's gonna happen, but hey,

747
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 10: for the sake of the team and the direction you're

748
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 10: trying to go, you gotta be the guy, Arthur Smith

749
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 10: to set that tone.

750
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: Got to be decisive. Mark Ross, thank you for being decisive.

751
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring you back a little bit because we

752
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have more to talk about this. And

753
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: when we come up on the NFL Report, I think

754
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: so jeff Todea in the first Read section, he's gonna

755
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: talk about those Jets, the Seahawks, and an evolving hair

756
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl contenders. We're back in the NFL Report,

757
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: and although you're watching and listening, you also should be

758
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: reading in his time for our First Read segment every

759
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: Monday with Jeffrey Chadea and his First Read columns at

760
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash First Read. And Jeff, you've got

761
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: some great stuff coming out of Week eight, and that's

762
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: season altering wins. And this first team you start with

763
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: kind of caught my attention. That's your four and three

764
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Why was this a seed altering this?

765
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 4: Look, I'm bought in on the Jets, whatever magic mojo

766
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: or whatever juju, whatever you want to call it, because

767
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: they keep winning games they.

768
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: Shouldn't be winning.

769
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: They got over Buffalo, yeah, me, four and three went

770
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: over Buffalo, win over Philadelphia. They put the win they

771
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: shouldn't have got yesterday against the Giants, and you said,

772
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: look at their schedule, they could easily be sitting here

773
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: at seven and five to the next five games with

774
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, not just sitting on the sideline throwing passes,

775
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: but walking in there talking about playing meaningful games again.

776
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 4: And so look, they're playing great defense. Priest Hall has

777
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: made plays for them. People want to beat up on

778
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: Zach Wilson still, but he made some clutched rows and

779
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: overtime except that winning excuse me, before overtime to get

780
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: them into overtime and then he made plays and put

781
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: them in the field competition to win the game.

782
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: So they're doing everything they can. It's ugly, but it's working.

783
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me we have a little bit

784
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: of the Steelers right this season and what we've seen

785
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 2: in seasons past.

786
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: It's like, just find a way to win. It may

787
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: be ugly, will play well late.

788
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: We may not do well for three quarters, but will

789
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: find something to happen later.

790
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Int THEA.

791
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: They did this against the Broncos, they did it against

792
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: the Eagles, and now we saw it once again against

793
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: the Giants.

794
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: I love you brought up Aaron Rodgers by the way.

795
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: I don't think any player on like a season ending

796
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: air quotes injury has been talked about more throughout the

797
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: course of their time away from the team. But you know,

798
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: maybe that is part of the mojo. I've talked to

799
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: players in the locker room. They think maybe just him

800
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: being around throwing the football pre game keep some of

801
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: that juice alive. How about the game I was at,

802
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: Jeff The Jacksonville Jaguars go in to Pittsburgh, a physical team,

803
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: like I brought up earlier, sloppy conditions, and I personally

804
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: believe This is kind of a signature win for this

805
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: team because of the conditions I just mentioned, to go

806
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: and show the rest of the AFC and maybe the

807
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: NFL that you're a physical team as well and can

808
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: win a game like this.

809
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, people spend so much time in jack Konville talking

810
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: about the offense and Trevor Lawrence and Calvin Ridley. Yeah,

811
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: they overlooked the fact that they play really good defense.

812
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: Josh Allaen's having a really good year lead the NFL

813
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: and takeaways, and they they perfected the art of winning ugly.

814
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: And I think people sleep on them because they don't

815
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: have that signature, you know, blowout Dolphins like seventy to

816
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: twenty win over somebody that makes you think, Wow, what

817
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: are we dealing with here? But you look at the

818
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: way they've won games. They have a really good feel

819
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 4: for themselves. They've been banged up, they're gonna get healthy again,

820
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: and quietly, they're the best team in the league that

821
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: nobody talks about.

822
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: They're gonna winn away with the AFC South.

823
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: True five straight wins, Jeff, and they are tied with

824
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: the Ravens and Chiefs with the best record in the AFC.

825
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: So we better start talking about them and another team

826
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: we better start talking about, because now they're on top

827
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: of the NFC West, the Seattle Seahawks.

828
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: Ford in the Backsie Walker's gonna throw bolt it up

829
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: in the air, Bulls in sept it up Long, gets

830
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 5: it just inside the forty five yard line, go to

831
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: the Hawks defense, duns it again. Jamal with the tip.

832
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: The Seahawks now in great field position from the shotgun JSMS.

833
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: He gets the thrown near sign turns out be a

834
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: got it do a touchdown Sereyhawks, Jackson spitting a jickub

835
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 5: and Seattle goes back on top.

836
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean Joel Adams for those of you on the podcast,

837
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it. He didn't tip the ball, he

838
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: headed the ball Verry David Beckham.

839
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: But j great.

840
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: I mean the Seahawks. They're on top of the NFC

841
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: West now five and two, half game ahead of the

842
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. They got in trade for Leonard Williams

843
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: to fortify that defensive front. What can you say about them?

844
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: You know, I like where they're going, and I do

845
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 4: believe that even though it's only the mid midpoint of

846
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: the season, we're getting to that being in first place,

847
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: even by a half game means a ton to to

848
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 4: where this team is trying to get to. I mean,

849
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: you're seeing this. The forty nine ers really struggle right

850
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: now and the Seahawks they've got I think a lot

851
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 4: of the things you want to see from a team

852
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: that can make you do some damage in the playof

853
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: and their defense is getting better. They run the football

854
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: really well. Gino Smith obviously has had his turnover issues,

855
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: but he is obviously an experienced quarterback and they've.

856
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: Got weapons around him.

857
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 4: I think one of the most under underrated parts of

858
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: what they're doing is there Jamal Adams being back on

859
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: the field, Jordan Brooks at linebacker coming back in who

860
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: played great yesterday. They're starting to make that thing look

861
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: the way Pete Carroll wants to look, and that makes

862
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: them really dangerous.

863
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

864
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: I mean again, that win against a good Cleveland team

865
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: that had its opportunities to beat him was big. But

866
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: again on top of the NFC West, Yes, on top

867
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: of these San Francisco forty nine ers. So to that point, Jeff,

868
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: you like to have this great part of your college

869
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: called evolving Super Bowl teams, enlighten us on who's on

870
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: top now, because it's two teams you haven't had in

871
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: there before.

872
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I had to bump the Niners out

873
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 4: of there and the Dolphins out of there just because

874
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: of the way all season.

875
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: I know they've been sitting.

876
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: I've been trying to keep them there and keep the faith,

877
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: but I can't do it anymore. The Eagles, I six

878
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: to one. They got the best record by mile.

879
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: They looked.

880
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: They're playing defense has still got to get things worked out,

881
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: but they're playing really good offensively and AJ Brown has

882
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: been a monster. But my bangles, I told you guys, yeah,

883
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 4: we're going to be there, and they made a statement

884
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: in San Francisco. But what they're gonna They look at

885
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: the best team yesterday in the AFC, and I think

886
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: they will continue to show that as that weast go by.

887
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: I think what jumps out of me, Jeff, with the

888
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: change that you've made is it's it's almost like we're

889
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: now moving forward and going, Yeah, the Eagles maybe really.

890
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Are that team.

891
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: Like we were just trying to critique everything about Philadelphia

892
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: at the start of the season. Two new coordinators. We're

893
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: not getting the explosive plays that we thought we were

894
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: going to get. What do we do You know, what

895
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: are they doing now as an encore of making it

896
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: so close to a Super Bowl victory a year ago.

897
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: And what we're seeing right now is Aj Brown out

898
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: there dominating. I mean we are talking about Tyreek Hill,

899
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: guys going over two thousand yards. You know where Aj

900
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: brown sits so right now yards he's on pace for

901
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: that right now. I mean he's right there as a

902
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: chance to go for two thousand himself.

903
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: And I think what they also.

904
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: Have to go along with it, with DeVante Smith and

905
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: with Dallas Goddard and a defense under Shawn decide that

906
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: when I talk to people in Philadelphia starting to get better, Steve,

907
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: I think this is the right place, Steve, I think

908
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: this is the right play the Philadelphia Eagles.

909
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: I think it was time for a change for Jeff.

910
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: All right now, Jamieus mentioned Tyreek Hill, and you have

911
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: a scouts take part of your columns, Jeff where Okay,

912
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: your scout that you spoke with said, you know, Tyreek

913
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: Hill is going off at a record pace. One of

914
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: the things I think you said it was no more

915
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: lockdown corners. You know the rules are so skirted for

916
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: him to do this. Please explain, because I think your

917
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: Scout has said some things that has really struck a

918
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: nerve with me and JP me.

919
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: But he pointed out that Tyreek is a phenomenal player,

920
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: but you see us every week, and living in Kansas City,

921
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 4: you see it with Travis Kelce.

922
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: Another great receive if there is, there's.

923
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 4: Been a huge shift in how people play defense, and

924
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 4: it's because you are seeing the demid of the lock

925
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: the so called lockdown corner, and more teams are having

926
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: to play zone, having to do things, playing that too

927
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: deep look that we've seen for the last two or

928
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 4: three years to try to keep receive it from Tyrek

929
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: Hill going nuts, but they can't get their hands on people.

930
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick back in the day when he was had

931
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: his defense going in New England, they would rough you up,

932
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: they would beat you up. Now you see holding penalties

933
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: all the time. Go to that Broncos Chiefs game yesterday.

934
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: I think la Jerry Steed had three or four holding penalties.

935
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's very hard to be physical,

936
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: and when you can't be physical with guys like Tyreek Hill,

937
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: it's going to be a long, long day.

938
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm curious, though, like, are we saying this guy is

939
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: essentially saying nobody goes up and presses Tyreek Hill because

940
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: of the way the rules are.

941
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can press Tyreek Hill.

942
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: Like I've talked to enough corners that his lateral speed

943
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: and lateral quickness is probably a bigger problem for you

944
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: than being concerned about getting a penalty at the line

945
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: of scres in terms of pressing him. I'm just I

946
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: want your take, Steve as well on kind of where

947
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: things stand in terms of I think the biggest part

948
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: is moving him around, finding ways you mentioned Travis Kelcey,

949
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: finding ways to give these guys space.

950
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: The creativity of the offense plays a larger part in this.

951
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: I think.

952
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I just you know, I know he said

953
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: this guy that said Tyreek Hill is a great player.

954
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm giving all praise to Tyreek Hill because one, he's

955
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: just hard to jam. I have covered plenty of games

956
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: this season where receivers have been shut down because teams

957
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: have gotten hands on him. Last year when the Chargers

958
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: played the Dolphins, they got hands on him. So what

959
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: does Mike McDaniel do, As James pointed out, he's motioning

960
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: him all over the place. We've spoken a lot about

961
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: that on the show. That's how you keep hands off

962
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: of guys. What offensive coordinators doing nowadays is they're moving

963
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: guys around in and out. So if you try to

964
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: travel a corner on a certain player, that's going to

965
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: dictate exactly what the offense does. The teams don't try

966
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: apple corners as much. To me, it's not a situation

967
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: where you don't have lockdown corners. I think it is

968
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: more a situation of guys being moved around a little

969
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: bit more to take advantage of their skill sets like

970
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill's speed and shiftiness as to why he's great

971
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: and because he is in a scheme with a quarterback

972
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: where it's all coming together. See if you were a dB,

973
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, you cannot sit here and

974
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: say that there are not cover corners out there, especially

975
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: now since teams are playing three safety with a cover

976
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: safety or things like this where guys can actually cover

977
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: and get hands on people. Guy, gotta give some credit

978
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: to the creativity some of these ocs.

979
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: Well, there is creativity, but there's also Look, we know

980
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: that not not advocating this, by the way, we also

981
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 4: know a decade ago, the fear of getting your head

982
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: taken off.

983
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: Was a real thing.

984
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, guys like Tyreek Hill, he goes over the

985
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: middle a lot. Randy Moss would never go over the middle.

986
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: No for that.

987
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: Back of the day he was running duce go around.

988
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 4: But that was what you asking to run a dig.

989
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: It was a different story. And so that's the part

990
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: of it. I do think the other part of what

991
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 4: the scouts said was that quarterbacks have a lot more

992
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: comfort sitting in the pocket, you know, moving up in

993
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: the pocket and waiting for those deep balls to break open.

994
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 4: Words before they were getting they were getting hit too,

995
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: and getting hit hard. And so look, I know what

996
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: you guys are saying. I only think he was trying

997
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 4: to the guy was trying to diminish Tyreek killing anyway.

998
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 3: I think he was just.

999
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: Saying, this is a different era of football, and the

1000
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 4: numbers reflect that. I mean, then you can't just so

1001
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: many five thousand yards here talking about a guy two

1002
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: guys having two thousand yard receiving seasons.

1003
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, JP, before you get go in Hew,

1004
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, no, real quick? Did you know Jeff was

1005
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: an All American safety. That's why he's talking about taking

1006
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: the toll of us something across the middle. That's why

1007
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: he's been I'm just saying because he used to ring

1008
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: guys up and they can no longer do it.

1009
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: That's right. I can't win today, world.

1010
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm starting to think, Jeff is this AFC scout

1011
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: right here, this is Jeff.

1012
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: Jeff is upset. He's not taking people out over the

1013
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: middle of Oh. That's right. Awesome, awesome, Jeff. Great to

1014
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 3: have you again on a Monday.

1015
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Everybody got there and read Jeff's article first read it

1016
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: was awesome. We love chatting it every single Monday. But

1017
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill, we're talking about him. He's playing in Frankfurt

1018
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 2: next week against the Kansas City Chiefs for the first

1019
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: time ever. The NFL kicks off in Frankfurt, Germany, with

1020
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: Sunday Morning football exclusively on NFL Network. It's a must

1021
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: see AFC showdown. As I mentioned, the Dolphins taking on

1022
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Rise and shine and watch on Sunday, November fifth,

1023
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: at nine to thirty Eastern only on NFL Network and

1024
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: streaming on NFL Plus. When we finish things up here

1025
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: on the NFL Report, we're going to talk about culture

1026
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: within a building.

1027
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: How does that impact the trade deadline? Steve and I

1028
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: will tell you Next on the NFL Report, Welcome back

1029
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: to the NFL Reporters.

1030
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: We close things up with James Balmer Steve which we

1031
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: talk about culture. Steve so much has brought up about

1032
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: culture within the NFL, but specifically with the trade deadline

1033
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: this week, and which teams, in your opinion, have the

1034
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: advantage not just maybe of an aggressive general manager that

1035
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: tries to improve the team, not just in the offseason

1036
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: but throughout the course of the year, but maybe has

1037
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: the advantage because he can make any move he'd like

1038
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: because of the culture in that locker room won't be

1039
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: disrupted no matter who they bring in.

1040
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: Jap We're seeing two teams who have that culture already

1041
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: do it right, the Philadelphia Eagles making the deal for

1042
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: safety Kevin Bayo and the Seattle Seahawks making the trade

1043
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: from Leonard Williams on Monday. So these are two teams.

1044
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: You look. When I used to cover the NBA, I

1045
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: covered the Miami Heat when pat Riley was coaching him,

1046
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: and he used to say this, okay, that you have

1047
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: to have a certain locker room that can absorb change,

1048
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: that can absorb a new player or a player of

1049
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: a different feather, like a Dennis Robin, so to speak.

1050
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: And when you look and you look at the Seahawks,

1051
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: right they've done it for years because they've got a

1052
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: strong leader and Pete Carroll safe in his job, John

1053
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Schneider a great general manager, and they're always almost always

1054
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: in contention and winner right now. Leonon Wiams is happy.

1055
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: He's going from a losing team to a winning team.

1056
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Same with Bayer. So I look at some of these

1057
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: other teams, Miami, the Ravens, the forty nine ers, these

1058
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: are teams that could be buyers in the trade market,

1059
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: and they've got the culture established already within their building

1060
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: to absorb guys.

1061
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: One team I'm curious about, Steve if they're on the

1062
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: cusp of that is the Jacksonville Jaguars. This past offseason,

1063
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: they didn't want to bring anybody in.

1064
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: They wanted to.

1065
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: Start feeling like they could just resign their own right.

1066
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: They resigned Evan Ingram. They're saying, who we have is

1067
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: who we have now at the deadline, do they feel

1068
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: like with Doug Peterson, a very cultural oriented head coach,

1069
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: do they have the ability to maybe make a move

1070
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: and feel like that can be part of what they

1071
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: do moving forward? I'm fascinating to see what Jacksonville does

1072
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: if they can be part of that group that you

1073
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: mentioned for Steve Whitch, Jane Slater, Tom Pelasero, Mark Ross,

1074
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: Jeff Chree, Tedia, everybody that was on the NFL Report

1075
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: on this Monday. We'll see you on Thursday on another

1076
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: edition of the NFL Report