WEBVTT - Dave Foley

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<v Speaker 1>When I do live gigs around the country, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>Fergusonshow dot com. That's all lowercase, the Craig Ferguson show

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is joy. I talk to interest in people

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<v Speaker 1>about what brings them happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today.

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<v Speaker 1>On the podcast is someone who is, let's be honest, Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a friend of mine and I've been aware

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<v Speaker 1>of him for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's about the same age as me.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on The Kids in the Hall when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in We Have, He was in news radio when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in The Drew Carey Show, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>worked together.

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<v Speaker 2>On hat in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite kid in the hall apart from the

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<v Speaker 1>other ones. No, he's my favorite. They fully everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going So you're saying Czech is now called Chechia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Turkey is no code Turkey Canada Canada ayah, Canada aya

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<v Speaker 2>canaday ayah. Because you are, of course famously Canadian. I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I am an official icon. Yeah they do they

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<v Speaker 2>have a fully day or anything like that. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You're much beloved in the Land of the North, I believe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'd think more No. No, in Canada is like Scotland. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh are you you're doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good for you. Yeah, I'm actually I would say

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<v Speaker 2>probably more blarge in America.

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely the case with me and Scotland. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of don't like me.

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<v Speaker 2>When you come back and say, oh, yeah, Jim Carrey

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<v Speaker 2>told me a thing. He's Canadian y Yeah, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we know who every Canadian is, going back to the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of time, the first Canadian. If there was a Canadian,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a hymn at the Earth Canadian came in? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if there was a Canadian of the Crucifixion, we'd be

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<v Speaker 2>proud of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like any Canadian no matter what. Well, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know Jim Carrey's Canadian. Yes, And he said to

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<v Speaker 1>me that when he goes home, they say to him, oh, hi, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you not eating now? Because of his Hollywood connection,

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<v Speaker 1>you see. Yeah, I don't know how it is now.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know Jim Carrey? I don't know, Mom, I've

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<v Speaker 2>only met him a couple of times. I've already met

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<v Speaker 2>him a couple of times too over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did a movie with him briefly, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the movie a lot, and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>it briefly.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's sold a cameo if you're famous. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was more were you famous at the time? No

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<v Speaker 2>bit part, bit part? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was more a kind of bit part

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<v Speaker 1>that was cut down from bit to micro micro part.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was very pleasant, I have to say, in

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<v Speaker 1>that Canadian way of you know friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all stereotypical, yeah, because those positive aggression there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really just something we put on for foreigners. When

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<v Speaker 2>so when the lights and you're all Canadians together, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's it's crazy vicious. How long have you lived in

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<v Speaker 2>America twenty more than twenty eight years. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>went way. Yeah, yeah, almost. I moved here in thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three when I was thirty, nineteen three thirty. When I

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<v Speaker 2>moved here, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Kas was imagining as no, that's anyway, look America refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to join the war.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Well there wasn't the war. Yeah, if there

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a wall, they were thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>refusing it. Yes, was that the kids in the whole?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that in Canada? Then? Well we ended like we

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<v Speaker 2>finished shooting the show guess in ninety four and they

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<v Speaker 2>finished airing in ninety five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you show you showed them in Canada. We

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<v Speaker 1>shot them all in Toronto. Yeah, but they were aired

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<v Speaker 1>on CBS.

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<v Speaker 2>We were on the last two or three years were CBS, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and Comedy Central. So that's where I first noticed the

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<v Speaker 2>Cobody Central. I think, Yeah, we were on, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>were on HBO first and CBC in Canada, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we were on Then Comedy Central would air the shows.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget how many weeks after HBO aired them a

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<v Speaker 2>censored version we did a reboot for Amazon. Oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I knew? I watched it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just the same. Oh yes, no, No. The reason why

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot about it was because it was like, because

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<v Speaker 2>the whole it was actually very satisfying, because it was

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<v Speaker 2>more episodes. Because the whole, I did like it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry. No, well, that's what we wanted it to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like. I mean, we always like within the Troop,

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<v Speaker 2>we always referred to it as season six. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's correct because I was like, oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same, except you know everybody, you know, nobody sits

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<v Speaker 2>in sugar Mint Forever. No, because you were also young

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<v Speaker 2>and promising, it wasn't so ironic but started. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing with Kid and the title, Yeah, Kid rock. Kids

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<v Speaker 2>in the whole didn't play Kid didn't play. You're gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna. They'll become a time when you think, I

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I didn't call myself that it's too late now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think sting Ever thinks that? It's like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, Now, I don't think sting Ever. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think sting Ever has a negative thought about himself, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what. I think that's true. Yeah, Well, who's the

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<v Speaker 2>it was the other one, the American one, Yeah, the drummer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>great drummer. Yeah, do you think, Oh sure, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's too busy as a drummer. I like him.

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<v Speaker 1>I like a drummer who's like a little more kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like all right, Raina and st You know what

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<v Speaker 1>really bothers me. Drummers who stand up, Oh yeah, knock

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<v Speaker 1>that ship off like little end up at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of a song.

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<v Speaker 2>Or what if they do it just to take their

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<v Speaker 2>T shirt off? Well that's bad too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind them standing up if it's the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the show and they got to go home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>standing up during the show at the end of a

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<v Speaker 1>song here, you know, Yeah, no play the drums and

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<v Speaker 1>let someone else do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mail Part never stood up or took a show. Never

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<v Speaker 2>did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now New Part was a busy drummer, but he could

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<v Speaker 1>get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you went to Rush when you were you know what? II.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a teenager, I wasn't really that into them.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew there was a band that used to open

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<v Speaker 2>for them all the time that I was more into,

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<v Speaker 2>called Max Webster. Okay, and then I, as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to be I got to know their music

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<v Speaker 2>more as an adult, and I became friends with them

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<v Speaker 2>all as an adult. Yeah, when I'm in back when

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<v Speaker 2>I was making news radio. You know what I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get to news radio, isn't it. But the thing

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<v Speaker 2>about Russia is I hated Rush when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I saw that documentary on I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Netflix or something, and I was like, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Russier. Awesome, And I had to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to their bike catalog and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did I hear this? Because you were in the

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<v Speaker 2>punk That's exactly what it was. I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>punk and you weren't allowed to like anything that wasn't punk.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, well I have. I've even been going through

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<v Speaker 2>things like my my daughter has been educating me in

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<v Speaker 2>music of my youth. Yeah, thats to me too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she got me to like not even like love

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<v Speaker 2>E l O, which at the time I didn't as

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<v Speaker 2>a deep cup for me. Man, I'm not into yellow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're great. So you say I mean like me amazing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember they did a version of Rollover Beejove, and

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<v Speaker 1>I liked when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister blue Sky is amazing. Can't do that it is

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<v Speaker 2>a great song. Can't do it to I was. I

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<v Speaker 2>was with you until until what happened to you? School?

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<v Speaker 2>You you used to be like the whole youth was

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<v Speaker 2>the kids in the hole was like you guys, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I it's those forty five minute drives to my daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>school up in La you know. And it was always

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<v Speaker 2>her playlist, so really, oh yeah, we listened to her

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<v Speaker 2>playlist every morning to schools. And it was full of

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<v Speaker 2>she was. It was full of elo and and and

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<v Speaker 2>she was. She was playing deep cuts from the Kinks

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<v Speaker 2>and the Zombies and the King.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, I can go with a little. The Kings, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they were proto punk. They were proto punk. Actually they were.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a they had an attitude about them. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get along. They were kind of like Ote and

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<v Speaker 1>what was the other one?

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Davis and then Dave Davies and Dave Babies and.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was Regis Tito and Jermaine Thing. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of Davies and I love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they were like when I was a teenager

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<v Speaker 2>before punk really kind of hit in my high school, right,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us we were like neo hippies, but we

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<v Speaker 2>all listened to like Early Who and Kinks.

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<v Speaker 1>Early Who was like a big deal. Hope I die

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<v Speaker 1>before I get older. Yeah, I member see.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're all quite the ones who are still alive

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<v Speaker 2>yet old. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of them did die before they get old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them died they wanted. One of them died old,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I know he looked but he looked terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>So he made me feel better about it. Look very

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtful of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a way of you know, giving the little

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<v Speaker 1>sugar with the medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I don't know. It's bad though. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three. I mean that's terrible. That's alcoholism. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you still single? Yeah again? No, single again? Single again? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm good at relationships. But how long? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he times to be married? Uh twice but well actually

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<v Speaker 2>well sort of three times? Oh wait, divorced bad it survived. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what. So twice married, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>with my second wife twice Okay, yeah we were. We

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<v Speaker 2>were married, separated for ten years. Okay, we got back

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<v Speaker 2>together for I think I remember this. Yeah. Yah, we

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<v Speaker 2>got back to there for five and now we're separated again. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to hear that is everything cool? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's fine, all right, We're very We're very close. Still.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's great. That's good. That's the advantage of being

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<v Speaker 2>a little older all that rage. Yes yeah what yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and having a truly nightmarish for comparing to the first one,

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<v Speaker 2>everything was always gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>You failed famously. Yeah, yeah, wow, big one. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>I remember me talking about that one point. I was

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<v Speaker 1>you were telling me the the conditions of your divorce agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that doesn't seem possible. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>uncommon in Canada. They still do that. You still under that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not. I know, I'm but only like

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<v Speaker 2>from over a little over a year. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>and you were apart for twenty thirty years, you know. Yeah, geez,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know many.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, I've been married three times, yes, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the third one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>First one was when I was twenty one. Yeah, divorced

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<v Speaker 1>when I we were like twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel that doesn't count that much because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there were no kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got married again when I was thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>divorced when I was thirty or thirty six hours, something

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty six, divorced when I was like forty one, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then not being married to Megan for one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it's a lot since two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>so that seems like a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we were together before that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now that's all good. Well I'm thinking, well maybe maybe someday. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fine for you. It will be all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't ask me for my romantic guestory, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I felt the need to tell you, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice to figure out. It's catches. I met, I met,

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<v Speaker 2>I met your your your at the hockey the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to the New York Rangers. Yeah. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 2>youngest son. I have two of them. Yes, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>and he's Yeah, because you're you're was about the same.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just one of my kids, yeah, right, twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>three three yeah, Yeah. I have a daughter that's twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>just turning twenty one on the sixteenth muscle toough. You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a party. She is, because she's turning twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one in America, right, So what that means, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>could drink yeah, without taking her fake idea out with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems to me coming from where's was the

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<v Speaker 1>drinking age in Canada?

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<v Speaker 2>Canada is nineteen yeah, Scotland. I think it's twelve five five? Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's I think it's eighteen in Scotland. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe sixteen. Yeah. The effective drinking age in Canada is

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<v Speaker 2>much lower. Yes, the effective drinking agent for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>started drinking I was thirteen. Yeah, I was around there. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever run out of problems with the booze? Oh? God? No? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you? Yeah yeah, yeah, little.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I've always meant to ask you. You

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<v Speaker 1>related to the fully people that do the special effects,

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<v Speaker 1>remember the fully thing. I don't think so, because I

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<v Speaker 1>should try to find no. Or I don't think we're

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<v Speaker 1>related to the catheter people either. They make catheters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fully there is as a medical instrument that

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<v Speaker 2>so far I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to avoid that one so far. Aaging is

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<v Speaker 1>an undignified process, though, isn't it? Oh it is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I find that you and I are almost

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same man. I was nineteen sixty two, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was born I'm sixty three. Yeah, oh I'm older than you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>January January sixty three, Oh right, May sixty two, so

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<v Speaker 2>much less less seven or eight months. But I find

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<v Speaker 2>myself you're drinking black coffee. I'm drinking a very unpleasant

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<v Speaker 2>drink called pure green. Yeah, it's garbage. I just I

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<v Speaker 2>just was in my pharmacy. Uh, you own a farmace, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a pharmacy because for you, of acting isn't stable. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it is. No. I wish I owned a pharmacy. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I owned a farm, and I kind of part

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<v Speaker 2>part of my life. I wish you. And at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even own a car. At this point, well

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<v Speaker 2>you live in New York. Yeah, I need a car.

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<v Speaker 2>We down a car for no. But I went in

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<v Speaker 2>and was looking at like a big tub of powder

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<v Speaker 2>that said, you know, greens on it, and asking a

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<v Speaker 2>young man who worked there, and you basically just said

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<v Speaker 2>you look healthy. Is this any good? But no, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was born in two thousand and four. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>ready said yeah, this is good. So I haven't tried

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<v Speaker 2>it yet, but I'm yeah, I'll be drinking that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just there's so many unpleasant things to eat and drink

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<v Speaker 2>because you Yeah, yeah, I'm doing things like but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking a bag of supplements this big right, you can't

0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.840
<v Speaker 2>see this on your radio football. I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>say small lord to mid sized watermelon. Yeah, and which

0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:42.240
<v Speaker 2>is about the size of Yeah. And do you do

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<v Speaker 2>you have that that red Every every day there's that

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<v Speaker 2>period I have to go take a fist full of pills. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. It's oh, it's good. And and some of

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<v Speaker 2>them are prescriptions. I had prescription for No, No, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's your balls sophag Oh, yes, the gurd meppersol right, netpersol. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you take that, that's one of my supplements. Well, let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you about that thing though. You gotta be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>You take that too long and then suddenly you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've already been taking it too long. What's up? Don't

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<v Speaker 2>worry about it. It's fine. It's totally totally harmless every way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's right, you call it that. Yeah, So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>get the Jared and I had to have a school.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad died of cancer. That's yeah, that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm still taking the metpersolts because they told me,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't treat it. They can, they can lead

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<v Speaker 2>to that. Yeah, have you got the Barretts? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>where you got? I don't know what's what's that Barrett's esophagus?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is. Well, it's two things.

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<v Speaker 1>One it was one of the forgotten bands of woodstock,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one is that it was inflammation or

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of disease of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeahocracy until they get to what do I have to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't listen to any of the Yeah, yeah, here here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, Bob, have you been on vacation this year?

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<v Speaker 2>All that stuff they say, yes, that take this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, though, I find myself a little more

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<v Speaker 1>health conscious than.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be. Yeah, because age is terrifying. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's all this great science on aging that's being done.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Yeah, Like you've read me up with like

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<v Speaker 2>David Sinclair. Who's David Sinclair? He is a scientist. Where

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<v Speaker 2>is he from? Was he with them out here? Harvard?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember now, but he wrote a book Aging

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<v Speaker 2>and Why Maybe we don't have to something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the title of the book. It's like an easy click. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's been doing stuff like he's actually in the

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<v Speaker 2>lab halted and reversed the aging and mice, and believes

0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.800
<v Speaker 2>he can do that in humans. That, yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually just turn your age back about twenty years. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I bet it involves fasting. No, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just basically a pill. Uh Yeah, hang on, I'm listening. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it colder zampic by any other? No? No, although

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<v Speaker 2>he does, he does promote the fasting, which I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I do too, I do too. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>get a kickout. I can't. Like, I haven't eaten anything today,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've had a banana, Yeah, only because my wife

0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.080
<v Speaker 2>was here. Yeah, eat a banana forgot? No, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>even I haven't eaten breakfast in years, like right, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't usually eat till like at least two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm kind of like that anyway. I I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of it's not that hard to do in mid fasting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of. Now your sleep for most of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, you're sleep for most of it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I have to see, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>geezer thing that I have to say. If I don't

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<v Speaker 1>eat for like four or five hours before I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep, if I can go to sleep, hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>I sleep a little better, yeah, because yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I yeah, I stop eating at ten right when

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<v Speaker 2>you go to sleep? Uh me, usually around between midnight

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<v Speaker 2>and two usually, Yeah, what do you do? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>at the club? No? No, I'm lying in bed, fasting alright,

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<v Speaker 2>worrying about things. Oh my god? Yeah, god, I still

0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.720
<v Speaker 2>worry about everything else. And well, you have children, you're

0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.719
<v Speaker 2>never gonna don't worry. Yeah, you're gonna be worried all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Yeah. The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Stand Up

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<v Speaker 2>the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour. So you

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<v Speaker 2>are there, do you believe the adage you're only as

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<v Speaker 2>happy as your least happy child? Oh? I oh help not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well wait a minute. What if you don't pay attention

0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to that child? Well, well then you're all right, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's part of the reverse aging process. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>reverse reach around of age. If you only think about yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>then you'll be fine. Yeah, somebody talk to me about

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<v Speaker 2>a zempic because a friend of mine who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lost a little weight with a zempick. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>is it good? Because I was you know who couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>lose a little way, I'd love to lose some weight.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, yeah, it really works. You just you know, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you have no appetite. You know, you're just not hungry now,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I haven't been hungry since the nineteen seventies. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't eat because I'm hungry. Are you because I'm sad? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad. I totally understand that. Yeah, I need something

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<v Speaker 1>to cheer me up. I'm thinking more cocaine. Cocaine cheer

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<v Speaker 1>issue up.

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<v Speaker 2>And loan calories and lone calories and you don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like eating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does seem to have dramatic behavioral side effects,

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<v Speaker 1>not that I've ever noticed. Well, okay, fair enough. In

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<v Speaker 1>that case, we read my screenplate. You read my screenplay.

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<v Speaker 2>So how does it start for you? You're in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're a beautiful little boy with a school uniform

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<v Speaker 1>and you're the pride of the Foley family. You go,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the new catheter boy for us, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're not from a show business.

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<v Speaker 2>Family or no, I'm from a construction family. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, that was a pipe yeah, Dave. Well

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, my dad was a pipefitter who wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>who want wanted to be lumberjack No, no, no, uh

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.119
<v Speaker 2>jack kerouac basically oh wow. Yeah. He wanted to be

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a you know, working class poet. Right. Yeah. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the only part of that that he really got down

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:21.760
<v Speaker 2>was the alcoholism. Yes, yes, my old yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're you know, he was like second generation Canadian Irish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was it was kind of a working

0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 2>class family, but a working class family with pretensions. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you'd say my mom was just straight up working

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:46.880
<v Speaker 2>class English with no pretensions. Yes, it was no dive. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well why would why would they want you to

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Yeah? Do you want to you want to

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.200
<v Speaker 2>invent the catheter? Invent the catheter? Yeah? I know. Yeah,

0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 2>my mom was, Yeah, it was. Her philosophy was you're

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 2>only two philosophical ideas were don't fuss, okay, and her

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.440
<v Speaker 2>second was, oh that's how they get you. Well, you know,

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's a little it's a little stark and bleak,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's and it's belt and yeah, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, it's always everyone's always out to get you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my mother used to see. My mother used to

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<v Speaker 1>say stuff whenever we went to a store.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>She would say, like she would get this when back

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 1>when people had money instead of you know, cards, so

0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.639
<v Speaker 1>it would be you know cash and coins and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and notes and coins or now case coins.

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<v Speaker 2>And she would say, once we walked out the store,

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<v Speaker 2>she would say, did you see that girl trying to

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<v Speaker 2>take my change? I said, I said, yes, she was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about taking my change, but then she saw me

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.879
<v Speaker 2>looking at her. She changed mind. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see the world like everyone trying to take

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<v Speaker 2>your change. Yeah, but I understand that some people do. Yes, Andy,

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I do see the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought, anyway, So you're the pipe Fitter's alcoholic

0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.399
<v Speaker 1>pipefitter son, Yeah, I think I feel like that's the

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>beginning of a limerick. It was only an alcoholic pipe

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<v Speaker 1>fitters son.

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<v Speaker 2>Good'll work out the rest of Yeah, we'll put it

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<v Speaker 2>in and post. So the So what happened? How did

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you get the show business? Accidentally? Really? It was? I

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 2>think when I was a kid, I thought I would

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<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe I would be a writer, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>like writing a lot, and you know, I thought, I,

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I would write funny things. It was

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 2>my you know, because I was always the funny one

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.159
<v Speaker 2>in my group of friends when when I when I

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 2>would have one. Uh. And to be fair, that's that's

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty little bar Canada. Yeah, have you met Jim Carrey?

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<v Speaker 2>Just kidding it was a joke. Oh man, the uh

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<v Speaker 2>but so we're in Literally it was little. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in high school and an alternative high school, which meant

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I was not doing anything that was ever going to

0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>make me graduate. Hold on an altenative high school. It

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 2>was like a hippie high school. Oh, it was like

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>one of these high schools that started in the late sixties.

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.160
<v Speaker 2>How does the Pipe First Sun get into an aeutenative

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<v Speaker 2>high school? Well, my older brother went there and in

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<v Speaker 2>like the early seventies, right, and I went there and

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.919
<v Speaker 2>I saw it. I went down and visited it. It

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 2>was you know, when he went there, it was like

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 2>this crazy school that was full of hippies and graffiti

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 2>on all the walls and it was just very cool.

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:34.120
<v Speaker 2>It seemed very cool. Is that boarding school? No, No, nope,

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 2>And this is public school too. It is run by

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the Board of education. So it was all free, right,

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 2>And so I thought though that when I get when

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm old enough, I'm going to go to that school.

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, so I after, you know, during like

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.919
<v Speaker 2>one year regular high school, I transferred to this alternative

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>high school, and which I said was kind of like

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a school for smart troublemakers. So it was a way

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.119
<v Speaker 2>funneling all the people who were causing trouble in regular

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 2>high school out of the system, okay, you know. And

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 2>so I went went there and we met had this

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 2>great group of friends that were all everyone. Everyone was

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a poet and a painter and and troublemakers. Yes, ye, troublemakers.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 2>They're all kind of caravac Yeah yeah, right, and you know,

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 2>and it was you know, it's the thing. You know,

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>you called your teachers by the first names and good

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>or classes are only about seven or eight people, and

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of each class, we only had tutorials,

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>not really classes, right, and you would we would vote

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<v Speaker 2>on whether to be a smoking or non smoking class. Wow, yes,

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and uh, no class ever voted to be non smoking.

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>You shocked me. Yeah, wow, that's this is incredible. Yeah,

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 2>And then we had we had a little common room

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 2>for the students. Uh and literally we would just go

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>in there, listen to old Pink, Floyd and Kink's albums

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and smoke pot and drink wine.

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like every you don't usually get it kind

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 1>of you know provide. So is that where you met

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 1>the other kids in the mill?

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>No? No, that's but that's where I a friend of

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 2>mine on the way to school one day, I've been

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 2>making her laugh all the way to school. Evelyn Chippea.

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Always give her a credit. Right. We were riding the bus,

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a forty five minute trip to the school,

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and we're riding the bus together and I was making

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 2>her laugh all the way to school. We were just

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.239
<v Speaker 2>having fun. And then as we're getting off the bus,

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 2>he goes, you know, you should do stand up And

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I went on, I never thought about it, and I said, well,

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll see if I can write something right,

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's basically it. I decided, Okay, I'll sit down

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and I'll try to write a stand up set, and

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of dug into like studying house stand

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 2>up sets work. How do the work? I don't know,

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>but I did a lot of like research on maybe

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>too much research on Lenny Bruce, right right, because I

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>decided I was really going to set up to be

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a seventeen year old Lenny Bruce.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a caraway aspiration, you know, that's the kind

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of I'm not only going to be funny, I'm going

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to be important and respect and maybe perhaps even dead.

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, that's very comedic. I yes, I must very comedian,

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I must be respected.

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 2>As well as be fun yes, yeah, and you know,

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and I always and I was already a fairly heavy

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 2>drinker at that point, so for you know, all lighted up,

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 2>ready to go, yeah, and like you know, and enjoyed

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 2>a few different drugs. So so yeah, so I started

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>writing set, and I thought, well, the only way to

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>find out if this really works is to go down

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>to the local, the Yuck Yuck's Comedy Club Yug Yucks Toronto.

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 2>YEAHYX Toronto. Yeah there's still one. I think there's still

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>one there. Yeah. I never played. I've never played at

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yuk Yuck. No. No, they used to be the only

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>thing you could play in Canada, right, Yeah. So I

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 2>went down and started doing open mics and uh and

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>then they do and they went okay, yeah, yeah, it

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 2>was sort of a I would. I would be a

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 2>hit every time I do it, and I would, and

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I would. Every time i'd go back, I'd write a

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>whole new set. Wow. So like you know, you know,

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you go down, you're doing like five to seven minutes, right,

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>And so every time i'd go i'd have it. I'd

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 2>write a new five to seven minutes.

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Which would eventually turn into you go to an hour

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>eventually if I kept at it. Well you didn't keep

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>at it, no.

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Because somebody suggested, oh you should do there's these improv

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>classes you could take. And again going back to my

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce thing, right, I knew he did a lot

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>of improv and enjoined him.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Not an improv classes, No, he wouldn't be like, okay,

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>give me the name of a political ideology that you're angry.

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So I thought, well I'll go try to

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>learn some improv skills, right, and and so I started

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 2>taking went to Second City classes.

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>And now that's real, that's that's like proper show business.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.919
<v Speaker 2>Second City in Toronto is like, yeah, it's like their

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 2>legendary yeah of court. Yeah yeah. And so I went

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and in my very first class, I was paired up

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>with a guy named Kevin McDonald. Oh no, we're the

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>kids in the whole are beginning to form yes. And

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that was just random our teacher Alan Gutman doing okay,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>let's pair off one two one two one two, just

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>like that. Wow, And Kevin and I got paired together.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>We made each other laugh doing a stupid mirror exercise

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and uh, and we both were like, you're very funny man.

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Well and we were clearly we were mocking the exercise

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>as we were doing. As you're doing the exercise, Yeah,

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that's good, you know. And so it was like, I go, oh,

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I like this guy makes me laugh and he has

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the same attitude to me about anything we're being asked

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 2>to do, right, and uh. At the end of that class,

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 2>he asked me to join his comedy troupe. And what

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>were they called? They were, well, I think at the

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>time he didn't really have well, he did have one,

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>but Kevin likes to say he didn't. But the truth

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is he was in a group with a guy named

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Luciano Kasumiri and another fellow named Scott Stewart that they

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>were called Uncle Vanier and the three sisters at the time. Okay,

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and uh, so I joined and ko Oh. Yeah, so

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I joined them and actually it became just Kevin Luchen

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>myself and we became eventually the first version of the

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Kids in the Hall. Oh so, the three of us

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>were the original Kids in the Hall, and then we

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>met up with Mark and Bruce's troop called the Audience,

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and then we sort of merged into when.

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>The big kids in the Hall and then what you

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>offered buy CVC, come and see and they go, these

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>kids are great, Hey, let's get them on TV.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Well no, oh god, no, Canada. No, that's not how

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 2>it works. No, No, these kids should be in jail. Yeah. No.

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>We started doing these shows and eventually Scott. Then Scott

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>joined as the fifth member final and we were doing

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>these shows on Queen Street in Toronto, which is kind

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of like you know, the like the the hipster sections. Yeah,

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a little more upscale now than it used to.

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess the hipster scene has moved further west.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess it had to. Yeah, Toronto is a

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>vastly chased city in the last twenty five years. Yes,

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the density is believable. You know, when I first went

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to Toronto, I think it's probably in the nineteen nineties,

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>there was only one condo in Toronto.

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was shared. It was it was a

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>time share with Gordon Light Lift Gordon and he sang

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that old song only condo in Toronto, which is a

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>favorite Buffy. Saint Marie got its Wednesdays and Friday's right

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of Saint Marie. And then I think Rush used it

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>over the Christmas period and that was it. Yeah. But

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 2>now it's just like it's condo city. Yeah. The lake

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>is walled off by condos.

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.959
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable, right, I mean it's crazy. Used to be able

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to see that thing on the drive in from the

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>airport and now it's just like bang, yes, you get

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>off the plane and it's condos everywhere.

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it's insanely expensive. Traffic is horrible, worse

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>than Los Angeles. Yeah, Small, they have terrible smog in Toronto.

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>How can that be in Canada? Yeah, Small, I know,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>smog should be the name of a puppy and it's

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>it's it's really strange. Yeah, Toronto has changed incredible, believable.

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you got your troupe together and how do

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>you get on CBC?

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Then, well that happened because we were doing these shows

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 2>on Queen Street, and they gradually became more and more popular,

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and you guys like Beatles in the cat Yeah, it

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 2>was it was getting like that, but you know, but

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>comedy so smaller. But we were, yeah, we were. We

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>had like lineups around the block for show what you know,

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and uh and we were you know, and and people

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>from s c TV started coming to see our show,

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially Dave. Dave Thomas became a mentor to

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Catherine O'Hara and her sister Mary. Margaret

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>used to come to the shows all the time. I

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>remember now late Joe Flaherty used to come down, Marty

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Short would come down, so uh, you know, so we

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>had all these you know, I think Eugene came to

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the shows. So we had all of our

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 2>heroes comings.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Like me, Me and Peter Cook and stuff like that.

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>It was like crazy. So we were like, you know,

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by that. So that we were coming really sort

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of known in Toronto.

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So then we got scouted for Saturday Night Live in

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess, uh it was eighty five, but because Yvonne Fassan,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>who was a late night vice president at NBC at

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the time, I know nothing about that world. Yes, I

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>really don't. Yeah, well he was a vice so he

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>was there, and then he recommended us for Saturday Night Live,

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and then shortly after that he left NBC and started

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>running the CBC in Canada. So I think it was

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Al Frankin, and I kept thinking it was Jim Downey.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Kevin keeps saying it was Davis Frankin and Davis, I

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>forget his name, Tom Davis, Tom, No, No, I don't

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>think so, I remember him. But so they came. We

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>did like an audition at the RIVALI our club in

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>an empty rivaly to just like Frank, Al frank and

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Dave Thomas, and I think it was Jim Downey and

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>we did an and eventually they hired Mark and Bruce

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>as apprentice writers for the first Saturn Life in eighty five. Okay,

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and then they wanted to split up the band. Yeah,

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>And but what happened was they went down and started

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>writing Kids in the Whole sketches for Saturday Night Live

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and none of them got on the air. What a surprise,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>And oh no thanks, I'm good here. And then this

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>is not my this is not my prostate, this is

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>me pouring war. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, you can

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>hear my prostag is going home? What's going on? I'm here. Yeah,

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a time, it's always time. Yep. But this they

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>kept coming back on the weeks off because turns out

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>they have a lot of time off on Saturday A Live.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I never worked on US. I know they talked about

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 2>how hard it is the off show a week yeah,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, they get week off every three weeks. Yeah,

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean come on. So they'd come back and we

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>would do shows in Toronto, and again they get more

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and more popular, and and eventually I think, you know, David,

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Marty and Catherine all kept telling Lauren that you should

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 2>come up and see the troop yourself. Right, So, and

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>which is this is almost never happens. I've never heard

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 2>of Lauren leaving New York City. No, say it for

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the Amys. No, Lauren flew up to Toronto, came to

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 2>a nightclub, you know, on Queen Street, Wow, and watched

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 2>us do an entire show. And and we did a

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 2>really long show and a lot of we even did

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>new sketches, that's how arrogant we were. And so then

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it was the after about Lauren was deciding whether to

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 2>take some of us to SNL. This is did we say,

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Lauren Michaels, Yes, Lauren Michaels, and so it's uh. So

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>was Laurene who decided, after a few days of thinking

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>about it, that he didn't want to break the group up.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Good friend. Yeah, so he decided he wasn't gonna take

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>anyone to Saturday Live, and he was going to try

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and find a place to do a Kids in the

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Hall show, and and he flew us all down to

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>New York for six months. Wow. Uh to uh to

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 2>write and to be hardened as he said that that

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that doesn't happen anymore. No, it was amazing.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and Lauren, you know, as I said, like,

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 2>it was totally Lauren's call, that that that the Kids

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>in the Hall still exists, because if he was going

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to take some of us to Surnent Live, you know,

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that would have been an end of it. Yeah, that's weird.

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Would you have gone, Oh my god? Yes, oh yeah,

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I still wish. Sure those guys so, because the whole

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 2>runs for a while and then you end up living

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in la right, Yeah, we do our five years of

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>kids and then I get then I got hired to

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 2>do news radio right after.

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say, because news radio,

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>you were doing that right and about the time I

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>started on the Drew Carry Show.

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because you guys are what finally killed us. No, yeah,

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, because there was a guy, the guy in

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 2>church of scheduling at NBC had been trying to kill

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>us since we since we did the pilot. Wow, he

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 2>hated the show. It was the name Preston Beckman. I

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was Preston. He hated news radio. News radio was a

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 2>great show. Oh, but he just despised it and was

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>mad that he got picked up. But he was in

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 2>charge of scheduling because like when we were first scheduled,

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>we were supposed to get on that that Thursday line up, Yeah,

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>the Thursday the Friends and yeah, but this guy said no,

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 2>He refused to let us on, and he kept pairing

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 2>us with shows that were struggling. Yeah, so I think,

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>but we were. I think we originally paired with Wings

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 2>that were struggling. Okay, that show lasted forever, yes, and

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>but we brought up Wings ratings like once we were

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>pairing the Wings ratings went weigh out right, And so

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>then he moved us to Sundays with Mad About You,

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 2>which was struggling and I'm seat yes, And then then

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 2>he moved us I forget what night it was, but

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>with a third Rock, which was also struggling at the

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 2>top all right, And again the pairing put the ratings

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>up and and and our show kept building to be

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 2>a top twenty show over and over again, and but

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 2>he kept moving us to try and so we had

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>like eight time slots. What a dick. Yeah, And eventually

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>the Drew Carey Show came on and he put us

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 2>up against Drew Carey, right, and it was kind of

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>a I think we're both going for the same audience

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways. That's probably right. Yeah, So

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>that and and that show was such a hit.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>That but you know, I didn't pay any attention to

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that show when I was doing it, funnily.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Enough, because you were succeeding. That's what happens when you're Yeah,

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>you don't just you just don't pay any attention when

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>you're failing like us, Oh my god, when you're failing.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I pay a lot of attention to my failures. You know.

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>It's funny.

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to somebody, a woman not in children

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>very intelligent, accomplished woman who's not in show business. And

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 1>she was telling me how much she liked David E.

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Kelly's work. I was like, yeah, no doubt, he's a genius.

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>And she said he never fails, and I'm like, no, no,

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>he does. He feels as much as everybody else. But

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.959
<v Speaker 1>you don't hear about his failures because that's what show

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 1>business is. If you succeed, people know about it.

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>If you fail, the only people that know about it

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 2>other people in show business. That's it. That's it now, see,

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that's that's American show business, Canadian show business.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>All anyone talks about the failures. Yeah, I don't know.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:06.439
<v Speaker 1>It's been a while since I've been anywhere I went.

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I did a show in Scotland, I think just before

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the COVID thing, so probably like twenty eighteen or something,

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. I hadn't done a show in forever in

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Scotland and I kind of liked the doing the live

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>thing with a live audience.

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.439
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I don't think you can go

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 2>back like that once you leave, like you did an

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>actual TV show, No, but you don't know, like a

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>stand up fuck. No, I didn't do a TV show. No.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I did it one night at the Edinburgh Festival in

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs and I liked it. Yeah, but I think

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that's as much as I would ever do.

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, TV show. No, I was wondering, Yeah, you would

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 2>never do a sitcom first a BBC. I couldn't afford

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to the BBC pay people. It's like, oh, that'll be uh,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, forty eight pounds and your own vouchers for

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the county. The news radio. Phil Hartman was in news radio.

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 2>He was, Yes, it was Phil killed. Durdan was just

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 2>killed during the hiatus of the fourth between the fourth

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and fifth season. It's a terrible, terrible story, that isn't that. No,

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>it was, Yes, it was, and I was I was

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>on set in Toronto shooting a movie when when I

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>heard it. Yeah, it's such a horrible, horrible tale. And

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that was what ninety eight or yes, yeah, it might

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>be around that time, Yeah, because I remember everyone in

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood was like the whole the whole town was like yeah, God,

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 2>it was crazy, just crazy. And I don't even think

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>TMZ existed. No, I don't think so. I don't know,

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>It was like it was so I think because you

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>were there at the time. I always thought. And then

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about Phil Hartman, but I'm talking about

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the time in Hollywood, the nineties, the late nineties.

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>It was covered expertly in BoJack Horseman. Actually I think, oh, yeah,

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I have I have to watch more. I haven't watched

0:39:56.280 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the whole song. Oh BoJack is great man watching it,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>And then I didn't follow Oh no, yeah, you got it.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>It's it's insanely good. But in the the medt to

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 2>late nineties and nearly two thousands, really as well, I

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>thought all it was it felt kind of like a

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>sleepy sort of a place, do you know what I mean?

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.439
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of yeah, quiet ish. You know, maybe

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>it's because my life was quiet h then I suppose it.

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:25.959
<v Speaker 2>But show business felt different then it did. It felt Yeah,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 2>it felt like less dangerous. Yeah, it was really it

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 2>was nice. It kind of was you know, it was

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, you didn't expect to get

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 2>attacked all the time publicly for making some dumb joke,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 2>which is great because my career has been almost entirely

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>dumb jokes. Yeah, there was no yeah, there was no

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 2>social media, right, you know.

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I think social media is like I'm all for technology.

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm all for smartphones and like, you know, electronic you know,

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 1>age extension, penis extension.

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the hell you go going on? Yeah, my penis

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>is over four feet long. Now, well that's the electronic.

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>That's the wonder of digitization. My mine. I haven't begun

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>working mine yet, but yeah, you know I used to

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>mind as a as a walking stick. Well you know,

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 2>age comes for result. But the thing is about it.

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I think with the social media, I find myself I

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 2>really hate it. You have to do it. It's kind

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of like like people say, oh, you have to do it,

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I have to yeah, oh yeah, And it's I remember

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 2>like like doing honest think that this sitcumb Doctor Ken, Right,

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 2>that was the first show I was on where they

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 2>had a social media person. Right, that was their job

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and that we would have to do. We would all

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the whole cast would have to gather in a room

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>to do live tweeting or you know, live tweeting the

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 2>episode that's airing.

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 1>I had a conversation with Kevin Bacon about this very thing.

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>He was he was pissed about it because he did this.

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember which show he was working on. But

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 1>he said he was doing it was a drama. He's

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>kept big and he's a proper actor and he is

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>not that you aren't, but yeah, I'm not, but Kevin is.

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was talking to him about it, and he said,

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it's so weird because they want me to live tweet,

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, the show going out, and the entire job

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>is me trying to convince everyone that I'm not Kevin Bacon,

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>but at the same time putting out stuff saying, oh,

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I remember this day, it was really cold and we

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 1>had you know.

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Our coffee was late arriving, ruining the show absolutely the

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 2>wrong thing. Yeah, but I think that everything has turned

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>into something different, which is I suppose one of the

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>effects of living long enough that you start saying because

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I noticed when I drive my family around, I say,

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>my kids, you know that KFC that.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Used to be a subway, and he's like, things used

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to be different. Oh yeah, and the generation right now,

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the Zoomer's a lot of people say bad things about it,

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy to join.

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I know they're fucking Jesus, what a bunch of touchy

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 2>up type fucker. I know. Well, I have to say

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm delighted that my daughter and her friends are fully

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 2>aware that they are part of the worst generation of

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 2>all time. It's not I look out.

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure if they were called on to do something spectacular,

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.280
<v Speaker 1>they probably rise to the occasion. And it's a ludicrous

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 1>idea to say a whole generation of people is. But

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>they are in the fashion and the popular culture right now.

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, fucking keep it.

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>She Yeah, like when you go, you're gonna be nostalgic

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>for that ship In twenty years. Yeah, I don't think so,

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you'll be recycling your shit like my shit, my seventies

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and eighties, nineties shit is being recycled like a motherfucker

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>by these guys.

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but they said, my daughter is teaching me

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 2>about my own youth exactly, and that.

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Stuff's being recycled. Who's going to recycle what's going on now?

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 2>No, but they might. I don't know. Yeah, I think

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it's part of the agent process.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess as you complain about the youth, But I

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 1>don't think all the youth, just the ones that I

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 1>hear about.

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's it's a weird, and it's largely our fault,

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 2>as the people that gave birth to this generation. Maybe

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that we I was reading everyone gets well, it's also

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:22.439
<v Speaker 2>just that we, in our paranoia, we didn't allow our

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 2>children any space to become individuals, to to to take risks,

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>get hurt and cope with being hurt, you know. And

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 2>because we, you know, we we protected them and sheltered

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 2>them so much for no real reason, because it was

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>like nouse.

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Statistically, it wasn't any more dangerous than any other time.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>No, in fact, probably it was much more dangerous. There

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>were probably more incidents of harm to children back in

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the sixties right than we're in the nineties.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Years and thou shit that was going on when I

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 1>was a kid in the sexties, Jesus Christ, it was

0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>so awful shit going down.

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 2>So we silo our kids away from the world, did

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 2>everything for them. They never learned how to even navigate

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 2>around the block. They never walked to school on their own,

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.919
<v Speaker 2>never went you know, never did like you can, never

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>never sent to the store to buy bread. You know,

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 2>all the things I was doing when I was six

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 2>years old. You know, your alcoholic father. Yes, everyone should

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:28.720
<v Speaker 2>have an alcoholic Buy me some smokes. I wonder though, if.

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a product of aging that you just

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>complain about the youth.

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, because this this is sort of

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>a sociological study that basically we there's a period of

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>time in your life when you should be going out

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and individuating and taking risks, and our kids didn't. So

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>we have kids who are ill equipped to handle risk

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>or conflict, yes, or conflict. And then and then at

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 2>the same time, we give them this technology that makes

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the feel under threat all the time. Yeah, and that

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.879
<v Speaker 2>allows them to destroy each other. Yeah. So we give

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 2>them technology that is absolutely destructive and we give them

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>no skills to cope with it. And it's a terrible mixture.

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 2>So what's going to happen next that? What are they

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>going to do with their kids if they have any kids? Well,

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 2>their kids, well they won't There won't be many of them.

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I was said by they said, all what we're going through,

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that will end when your kids are old enough to

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>hate you. Yeah, and that's coming. Yeah. I noticed that

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 2>there are changes afoot.

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, if I have one discernible skill, and

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I think this one is even doubtful, But if I

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 1>have one discernible skill, it's being able to read the room.

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm kind of going things are changing again, yeah,

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 1>because they always do.

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean back in the in the eighties, right, right,

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a tricky time for me. I was pretty chemical. Yeah,

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 2>in the eighties, this is when the first the term

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 2>politically correct came about. Yes, that's right, remember that. Yeah,

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.359
<v Speaker 2>And like us and the kids in the hall, we were,

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, people would always we would always have to

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:10.839
<v Speaker 2>be interviewed about you know, how do you feel about

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 2>political correctness? That's right. I remember. I remember Bill Maher

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 2>had that Politically and Correct show I used to go

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 2>on time. And one of the greatest achievements of the

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 2>political correct movement is that they managed to make Andrew

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Dice Clay a stadium performers as a as a reaction r.

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, they took they took a really mediocre Is

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that too generous a term?

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's kind of yeah, it's it's nice,

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>but you're a nice guy.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So a really mediocre comedian and turned

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 2>him into a guy that can play like multiple nights

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.239
<v Speaker 2>at Madison Square guard he was huge. Yeah, and that

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that was that's how political correctness paid

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 2>off in the eighties, you know, and we asked about it,

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 2>and we'd always say, look, we believe in it. We

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.800
<v Speaker 2>believe that, you know, the political correctness is just about

0:47:56.800 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 2>being aware of people and their history and their and

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it's been done to them and wanting to be sensitive

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 2>to it. And then we're all in favor of that.

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but we don't think you can tell

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 2>us that there's something that isn't funny or something you

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>can't joke about.

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the interesting thing about comedy is because it's

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 1>completely subjective. Like my father used to say when we

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 1>were watching Top of the Pulps in Britain when punk

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 1>rock was going on, he would.

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Go, that's not music, that's just a noise.

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'll go, well, that's guy, what music is

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's a noise that it's arranged in certain different

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>sequences that you find either pleasing or not pleasing.

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>I didn't quite say that at the time because I

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was like fourteen, but I remember thinking, no.

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Dad, you didn't understand.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but people say that about comedy all the time,

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 1>to say that's not comedy, and you go, well, all

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>these motherfuckers that are laughing disagree with you, so clearly

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it is a matter of opinion, what is funny and

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:59.319
<v Speaker 1>what's not. Yeah, And I think that that's kind of

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting because there is at this point it's really interesting

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 1>that if you don't share the opinion of a group

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of people, they try and invalidate you by not having

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that opinion, which I don't understand. Yes, it's like it's

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>like in a political debate, you know, in the political arena,

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 1>if you take the most contentious political stance, well, all

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:23.919
<v Speaker 1>these people are wrong.

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, all these people think you're wrong.

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.839
<v Speaker 1>So perhaps the job is not trying to make these

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>people think like you, but create a society where everyone

0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 1>can think different things, yes, and still be treated yes, decency.

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And that seemed like that seemed like that was the

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 2>target when we were young. I seem to remember it

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>being the thrust of it that we were working towards.

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 2>As I said, I felt like we were trying to

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 2>dissolve the definitions that separated people into different categories, right,

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were trying to dissolve the gender differences

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>and the racial differences exactly, and so that they would

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:08.240
<v Speaker 2>not be a consideration categorizing people based on an instant decision,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, or large groups of people. Yeah, whereas and

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:16.080
<v Speaker 2>now it feels like the goal is to create narrower

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 2>and narrower definitions for different sections of humanity. It's like

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>everyone's defining themselves these very narrow contexts and which is

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>which is totally fine.

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I think as long as you don't try and invalidate

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>everyone else who isn't like you.

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Would you want to live forever? I don't know. I

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>used to. I used to really want to live forever

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 2>because I wanted I didn't want to miss anything. I

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 2>didn't want like I really wanted I want to Will

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 2>you be missing death? Then? I mean that might be

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the best part. I know, Well that's what I'm starting

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to think. Yes, But I used to always just want to,

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want to know what's because I kept

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I was very obsessed with science and technology, and I

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted to see what was coming next, what cool things

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 2>are going to happen? And and I was an atheist.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>So you're not anymore, Well I'm still an atheist, sure,

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 2>but but but but no, I'm an ath I'm an atheist,

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 2>but I'm no longer as steadfastly a materialist.

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, see, I'm no longer an atheist. I I was

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 1>at sand point an atheist, and I'm like, it's far

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.280
<v Speaker 1>too arrogant, that's to take it. It is an unscientific,

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.279
<v Speaker 1>ludicrous position to take.

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. Yeah.

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 1>For my for I feel like if you say this

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 1>is the definitive, there is definitively no deity.

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like based on law. But that isn't the definition

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of an atheist. What is it that the definition of

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 2>an atheist is I don't believe there's a god. Not

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 2>that I know there's a there is, isn't. I don't

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.800
<v Speaker 2>believe there's a god. Yeah, I don't have a belief

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:05.359
<v Speaker 2>that there is a god, right, And a theist is

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 2>someone who does believe there's a Well, I'm a theist. Like,

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 2>but a theist can't prove there is a god or

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 2>is it a god? I can't prove it at all,

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and either can an atheist, but one one believes one doesn't, right,

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 2>So like the true definition. That's why I always say

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>agnostic doesn't mean anything, right, because it's really just you know,

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.879
<v Speaker 2>for people that hope they can it'll be a.

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>It's in your bad Yeah, gnostic does me, I mean

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I means without.

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Gnostic means knowledge, So it means without knowledge. So it's quiet.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>It's fair to say I am without knowledge, isn't it?

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But being a theist it has nothing to do

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.640
<v Speaker 2>with knowledge. It is to do with belief. There's no

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:43.720
<v Speaker 2>knowledge in being a theist.

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, unless you define what you see as evidence, you

0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>have to decide whatever. If you go, well, you know

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you know what reasons my suspicions that

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it might be a god is when I see a

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>dog using a crosswalk, I think there may be more to.

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 2>This, and I thought, but evidence isn't proof, and it's not.

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>That's true. That is not proof. I could not prove it.

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:07.759
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, did you see Miracle in

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty fourth Street when they had to prove Santa was real?

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Did they I can't remember at the end of

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.879
<v Speaker 2>that movie. Did they prove Santa? They? Well, they didn't, right,

0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 2>but the movie tells you he's real. But they they

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>through a legal, legal trickery, right, Yeah, they brought in

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>all the mail from the US post Office and that

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>proved Santapais And the judge said, well, I'm not going

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 2>to argue with the United States, right, and then Santa's yeah, Well, Okay,

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 2>so that's that's not bad. Here's what I thought. I've

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 2>become quite interested recently in Renee Descartes. Yes, who, as

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, is the I would say, arguably the father

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 2>of modern philosophical thought. Right, yeah, yeah, all right. So

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 2>his famous thing is about I think, therefore I am.

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.520
<v Speaker 1>But what but leading up to it, of course, the

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>reason why he gets to that point is he wants

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to use reason to prove the existence of God, or

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.200
<v Speaker 1>approach the existence of God using reason instead of revelation,

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 1>so using basically belief. Right, So he says, Okay, what

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll do is I'll begin by doubting everything.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I doubt everything. So he doubts everything.

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.839
<v Speaker 1>And so if you doubt everything, including the existence of God,

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I doubt all that, the existence of myself, existence of everything.

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I doubt everything. The only thing that is impossible to

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 2>doubt is that you are doubting. And if you're doubting,

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that is cognitive. That's a decision. You are thinking yes.

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>And if you are thinking, you exist cognito ergo sum

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.799
<v Speaker 2>I think therefore I am, and I think, Oh, that's

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 2>quite a good way of going about it. And he

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 2>approaching the existence of God talking about the proofs of

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the existence of God. One which I found fascinating is

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 2>that all societies have an appetite, even atheists have an

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 2>appetite for God. Even if you dismiss the existence of God,

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 2>you still discuss it.

0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, there is an appetite for it. And for every

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:13.439
<v Speaker 1>appetite there is a satiation of an appetite for lust.

0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 2>There is sex for hunger, there is food for you know.

0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>So in the natural scheme of things he used reason

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.480
<v Speaker 1>is the appetite, the desire for the existence of God

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>is a proof of the existence of God.

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, I would I reject, really need to cut

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I do. That's but in part I think it's an

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 2>appetite for meaning, not an appetite for God discussed.

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, then it's semantics, Meaning and God are the same thing.

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>No they aren't.

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh I think so. No, God is just one form

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of meaning. No, God is a huge word God. I mean, look,

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>is God angry Santo in a cloud? Don't be absurd?

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Is God?

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>You know the definition of intelligent design or something beyond

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the pale? Then I think, yes.

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the view I came to over years was

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that through evolution, yes, our brains one of the few

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>advantages we have from an evolutionary standpoint was that we

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:11.400
<v Speaker 2>develop a brain that could, uh could codify the world

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 2>in terms of meanings, right, and that eventually that also

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:20.839
<v Speaker 2>that gradually led to language and communities and civilizations and societies.

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 2>But the but it's that initial state of a brain

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 2>that gives meaning to things, a brain that that that

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:29.839
<v Speaker 2>picks up a rock and breaks it and goes, hmm,

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 2>that's not just That's not just a broken rock right now,

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a tool or a weapon that a sharp edge.

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 2>And we were able to, you know, uh, sort of

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 2>rise above our limitations because we're frail animals with like

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 2>we're shitting, We can't run fast, our teeth are useless,

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:49.200
<v Speaker 2>we have no claws, opposable thumbs though, yeah the good

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, but not so good against a tiger, you know,

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:58.840
<v Speaker 2>like ah, yeah. So that's how we survived as a

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.799
<v Speaker 2>species was by giving meaning to objects and like like,

0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 2>for example, this is a table not because of anything

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 2>intrinsic about it. It's only a table because we say

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.799
<v Speaker 2>it's a table and agree it's a table. A cat

0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know it's a table, so a cat will sleep

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 2>on it, right, you know, So we have a brain

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 2>that is constantly encoding everything around us in terms of meaning.

0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's good, yes, But it also means that at

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 2>some point you go, oh, I'm going to die. Yes,

0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.200
<v Speaker 2>how do I how do I give meaning to that?

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it's about death. Well, I think

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it is. I think it is for me.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's though, I'm quite happy to admit that

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<v Speaker 1>with the end of life there is nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but as associated as a society, as a species,

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<v Speaker 2>yes we have we don't do that. And even that

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<v Speaker 2>is you're you're you're ascribing a kind of meaning to

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<v Speaker 2>death as well. Well, it's both, that's true, yea. And

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<v Speaker 2>my thought was all right, so the human brain is

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<v Speaker 2>incapable of observing anything without giving it meaning. Good, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I like where you go? So I would say, even

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<v Speaker 2>to other atheists, said, so, even as an atheist, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to adopt some system of meaning, and it may

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<v Speaker 2>be just as ludicrous and unfounded as any religious system

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<v Speaker 2>of meaning. Right, you know, like you may decide that

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna, you're gonna your meaning comes from having.

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<v Speaker 1>Children, or your meaning comes from rejecting religion, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily good or meaning or art or art or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like a lot of artists who are atheists say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I create my art and that's where my

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<v Speaker 2>meaning comes from, right, And I would say to them, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's stupid, because if we're correct, you're going to die

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<v Speaker 2>and all the things you've created will be immediately meaningless

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<v Speaker 2>to you, you know, because if we die and it ends,

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<v Speaker 2>then everything is meaningless. And so you just have to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of accept that if that's the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>If time is linear, you're correct. But if time is

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<v Speaker 1>not linear, I mean, time is only a construct of

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<v Speaker 1>humans trying to give meaning to yes, the in the

0:58:56.400 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 1>area in which they Well, so if time is not lenear, yes, man,

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.720
<v Speaker 1>it's all, which it probably isn't. I would imagine it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not as simple as we think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing. Is where I'm heading to is

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<v Speaker 2>that that was the belief I had until over the

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<v Speaker 2>last less than ten years. Okay, And here's the and

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<v Speaker 2>my route to this came through looking at the UFO phenomena. Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which I don't know if you know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually do a podcast about UFOs now, but

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<v Speaker 2>it yeah, and it came up basically I started you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's something I was always interested in, right, I would

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<v Speaker 2>take it sort of seriously when something really crazy would

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<v Speaker 2>happen then and that would sort of buy the stories

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<v Speaker 2>and go, oh, well, I'll ignore it for now. Right

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<v Speaker 2>and then, but like about ten years ago, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, I saw a documentary that was so compelling

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<v Speaker 2>that it got me thinking I really should look at

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<v Speaker 2>this a little closer, right, And that was a movie

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<v Speaker 2>called Out of the Blue by James Fox, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just went through the history of modern UFO phenomena

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<v Speaker 2>and was interviewing people who had had, you know, really

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<v Speaker 2>credible people who had had really amazing encounters and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of real data. There's a lot of real data

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And I thought, all right, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep I got to keep an open mind about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And like many people who get into that subject, eventually

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<v Speaker 2>you wind up in a place where you're realizing that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the phenomena is about consciousness and about

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<v Speaker 2>how it interacts with consciousness. And then you start looking at, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how does consciousness work? And then you wind up getting

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<v Speaker 2>into things like well, looking at things like near death

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<v Speaker 2>experiences and you and what is death and taking that seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So once you open this aperture of what you're willing

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<v Speaker 2>to look at. All the things you've been told are

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<v Speaker 2>silly and unscientific, but they keep happening anyway, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of them, you know, is like, then, actually, I just

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<v Speaker 2>watched this great documentary on YouTube called Rethinking Death from

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<v Speaker 2>New York University Hospital a Parnia Lab. And these are

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<v Speaker 2>really mainstream medical people who have come a long way

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<v Speaker 2>from even just a few years ago where they're not

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<v Speaker 2>dismissing near death experiences. In fact, they're saying that right

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<v Speaker 2>now because we've extended the length of time that we

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<v Speaker 2>can bring someone back after they've died, like over an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>right Like, people are dead for over an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>they're being revived and having these stories of experiences. And

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<v Speaker 2>they've even changed the term from near death experience to

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<v Speaker 2>recalled experience of death because they're saying these people weren't

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<v Speaker 2>near dead, they were seriously dead, almost completely dead. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>For the field, yes, And knowing that from people who

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<v Speaker 2>have had encounters with with UFOs and that so much

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<v Speaker 2>of it is is an encounter that isn't about the

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<v Speaker 2>material world, then I'm no longer a materialist because there's

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<v Speaker 2>just too much evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I don't think that ties with atheism at all,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like if you say, if your definition

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<v Speaker 1>is atheism and theism is a theist is someone who

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<v Speaker 1>believes in a God, and an atheist to someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>just not believing a God.

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<v Speaker 2>Then what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to dismiss what you're saying, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I take from that is to not believe is an

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<v Speaker 1>unscientific stance because it shuts down the avenue of exploration.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, if you say I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>in a God, I find that too didactic and non scientific.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can say I believe in a God, which

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<v Speaker 1>I have absolutely no idea what that is, but I

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<v Speaker 1>believe more than I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>But how can one belief be more didactic than the other?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>If you take the idea of saying Augustine of Hippo,

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<v Speaker 1>an early theologian and Christian Church right who said, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the mind of God is like trying to

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<v Speaker 1>pour the ocean into a cup. If you take the

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<v Speaker 1>mortal and you know human limitations of the cognitive process

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<v Speaker 1>of human beings. If we are talking about a deity

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<v Speaker 1>or a thrust or something which is bigger than humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it would be you can't get something that big

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<v Speaker 1>into something that small. It won't work. It's just just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. So all you're saying is I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there is something there. Do I believe it's angry Santo

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<v Speaker 1>on a cloud or you know, baby Jesus with swaddling clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't go with any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are aspects of all religions which I find

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way you find about the UFO thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I go, I'm going to take this a little more

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<v Speaker 1>seriously because actually there's very very clever people who are

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<v Speaker 1>not atheists, and that's kind of what drew me in.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mean, you take C. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis or Socrates or Albert Einstein or.

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<v Speaker 2>There's quite a lot of ready the cards. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there are people who are immensely clever and

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<v Speaker 1>deep thinkers who steer the other way. And I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>more claim to do that. So I don't see any.

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<v Speaker 2>View argument between the UFO interest and the interest in

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think atheism in anyways ever shut down

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<v Speaker 2>me from examining the world in fact, in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean talking about exactly the existence of a deity

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<v Speaker 2>beyond or over deity. Yeah, but I'm saying I I

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<v Speaker 2>can be open to the idea that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>deeper reality without it necessarily being connected to a God. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to define what God is? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>is a God? What is God? And at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know it's because you know, I tend

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, I guess I you know, I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>with Bertrand Russell over excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but atheist thinker, Yeah, a great atheist thinker, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>But also at the same time you're working alongside C. S. Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a great theist thinker, but the theists also,

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<v Speaker 1>and the principal mathematica from Bertrand Russell very good. But

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<v Speaker 1>is it the Narnia Chronicles. No, it's not, it's not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating. And you know what I do like is this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're my friend and we can be on wildly opposing

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<v Speaker 1>ends of this argument and enjoy the argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. C. S. Lewis, H. G.

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<v Speaker 1>Wells, wildly opposing ends of the argument. Friends, Yes, people

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<v Speaker 1>now wildly opposing ends of an argument of belief.

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<v Speaker 2>God seem to be friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it, I know, which is sad because

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<v Speaker 1>how you fucking learned stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing less interesting than agreement. Sadly, I agree, you've

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<v Speaker 2>painted me into the corner. Yeah, but I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>used to always you know, tell my kids, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, I said, the only arguments you

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<v Speaker 2>you learn from are the ones you lose, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like winning, I've learned a lot today, but like winning

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<v Speaker 2>an argument is is about winning an argument, I know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more than I knew before, right, and also winning it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a ludicrous idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when an argument, When an argument, that's like winning

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what the hell is that? I remember reading like

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<v Speaker 2>Plato as a kid, right, and hilarious, But it was

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<v Speaker 2>like realizing their conversations in in the dialectics Yep, sounded

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<v Speaker 2>exactly like me and my friends hanging out. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the appeal is And I'm going, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same thinking, the same arguments, the same thoughts, the same interactions,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going, that's just how it's going to be forever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just what it is to be human. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to be that way. Forever, and like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, meaning the desire for meaning. Yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, I mean, my belief still is that the

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<v Speaker 2>human brain is incapable of perceiving meaninglessness unless you're suffering

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<v Speaker 2>a severe brain damage or you are psychotic. And people

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<v Speaker 2>who can perceive meaninglessness generally will either commit murder or suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound like a despairing place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's and it's something that ninety nine point the

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<v Speaker 2>thousand nine percent of the population are incapable of anyway, right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're incapable of it. Like I can't look at a

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<v Speaker 2>table and not see a table. I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can drink past that, Oh I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's been a pleasure and will continue to be

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure for as long as we are able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave, Yes, Oh my god, it's so lovely running into you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great running to you. And let's let's do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>And next time, let's talk more about God. Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk less about God and more about drugs. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, or maybe just do the same again. Yeah, psychedelics,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk Oh man, I do not care for them. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I never like psychedelics.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Jesus, worst time in my life. I took acid

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty something times just to make sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, man, it was bad. It was bad from

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<v Speaker 2>the first one again. Yeah, I like mushrooms. I would

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<v Speaker 2>have took mushrooms once because I hated them so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, hated mushrooms. Do you still do the psyches? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but there I'm Are you tripping right now? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually having trouble getting psychedelics to work right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried to d MT twice and couldn't get it

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<v Speaker 2>into work. Well, of course, we've run out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Listeners