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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Ambar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Friday, December eighth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number eighty seven. Welcome to a very special edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: And it is a very special day because it is
Speaker 1: the birthday of one of our very special guests. It's
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. Happy birthday, Amber, Thank you, bran think of it.
Speaker 1: Although you offended me earlier, but why you gave me Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe a year. Let me ask a question at the
Speaker 1: wrong age. There are all those people out there, Can
Speaker 1: you get the camera that that isolated? Oh no, for
Speaker 1: all those people out there, just just take a while guess,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure everybody's gonna guess. You're right there and
Speaker 1: that right where I said, like it's in that range.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter about the range, it's just like the price
Speaker 1: is right. You can't go over. You can't. I should.
Speaker 1: I should have shot a little under just to be
Speaker 1: just to be safe. It's okay. Nick offended me worse
Speaker 1: the other day. He said I looked thirty. Oh, but
Speaker 1: you don't look. He told me that. But you act thirty,
Speaker 1: but you don't look. I don't know. Give us one
Speaker 1: of these, Tommy John Reids didn't see what happens? Go
Speaker 1: to sixteen. Hey, get that thing ready though, can't because
Speaker 1: we got it all week. Next week December birthday. It's
Speaker 1: a birthday week. It's a birthday month. Really, like three
Speaker 1: or the four people on this panel are panel? Is
Speaker 1: that what we call this? Do you want to call
Speaker 1: it a panel? What do you want to call it show?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, three or four people on this show,
Speaker 1: on air, on this show have birthdays in a month
Speaker 1: of December. Happy birthday, baby, Thank you? You're next week, right, damn?
Speaker 1: Brian's next week? Yeah, Eric's later a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm in a couple of weeks. I'm at the end
Speaker 1: of the month. I don't know. There's somebody. I don't
Speaker 1: think somebody else. I'll make a row. I don't think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. I was a November. Yeah, I'm saying that. No,
Speaker 1: remember what does Brian baby November four? Me and Switzer?
Speaker 1: And does baby does have the same birthday? Okay? I
Speaker 1: thought you were just saying who do you share a
Speaker 1: birthday with? Um? I don't know myself. Okay, there can
Speaker 1: be only one. Everybody say to know who they share
Speaker 1: a birthday with? I don't. You don't know that's something
Speaker 1: I have in gool Gold. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: done that. I've I've googled it, but I don't share
Speaker 1: a birthday with anybody. No word. In other words, Nick
Speaker 1: is the only one that knows whose birthday? So who
Speaker 1: who she loves? Saying this, well, oh well who is it?
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but you've said it several times. And
Speaker 1: when when I moved, I moved here from Oklahoma, and
Speaker 1: like in February, late February, and so my birthday's March second.
Speaker 1: So I get there and I'm at seventh grade new
Speaker 1: school here in Texas, and they start saying we have
Speaker 1: a very special birthday to day and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that really? How did they know? It was Texas? The
Speaker 1: state the State of Texas Independent Day March second and
Speaker 1: doctor SEUs. It's a good jovie maybe but in me,
Speaker 1: But you guys don't. I'm the only one that knows this.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, I don't know me and
Speaker 1: can't we know who our birthdays are? All right? Well? Good, cool,
Speaker 1: that where you wanted to start the show. No, but that,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you, Amber Hope. Thank you have a
Speaker 1: great birthday and we'll celebrate hard this weekend. As we
Speaker 1: head to New York. There should be no way now, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what wrong statement? New new I'm sorry New Jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we traveled to New Jersey, and I would paint
Speaker 1: Short Hills, New Jersey red, right from from Short Hills,
Speaker 1: New Jersey to Manhattan. Yeah, yeah, ain't nobody going in.
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. But oh go to my office
Speaker 1: and see if you can find someone's gonna go. Yeah maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't say nobody. There'll be a few, I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some Cowboys football. Let's start off today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to a lot of different things, getting
Speaker 1: you guys ready for the Cowboys versus Giant says we
Speaker 1: do every Friday. We'll talk about it in actives and injuries,
Speaker 1: and then a little later in the show, Nick's gonna
Speaker 1: take us back in time and we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the twenty and ten season. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: were one and seven. If you guys remember, during that season,
Speaker 1: Wake followed, Phillips, ends up fired, and it began what
Speaker 1: would later become a Emmy nominated Deep Blue called Sunday
Speaker 1: at four fifteen, where we talk about a very similar
Speaker 1: situation with the Giants are experiencing this week. Cowboys experienced
Speaker 1: that back in twenty ten. Nick's gonna give us some
Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes kind of details on what
Speaker 1: happened that week, all except for one which I swear
Speaker 1: if he even goes there, I'm gonna strangle him. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little bit later in the show.
Speaker 1: Let's first start with some injury updates. Yesterday, Cowboys had
Speaker 1: three players that did not practice Lyall Collins, David Irving,
Speaker 1: Orlando Skendrick. We know Skendrick is probably not playing. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even say probably at this point. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's playing. He's not playing, um. But David Irving is
Speaker 1: the one that still kind of interests me a little
Speaker 1: bit because with the concussion, you kind of you kind
Speaker 1: of wait and you see if if they kind of
Speaker 1: are limited once you get to Thursday and the fact
Speaker 1: that he still was not practicing as a Thursday, Is
Speaker 1: there a reason for concern for Cowboys fans that he
Speaker 1: won't play? Absolutely depends on who you ask anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you ask the people that have followed this team,
Speaker 1: like you know us, and we see what they do
Speaker 1: in this situation like this, he would think he's probably
Speaker 1: not playing. But if you ask to Marcus Lawrence, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's fine, that dude's playing. He'll be out there. And
Speaker 1: then he said, like he had that concussion in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, so he played through that. Turned camera's oh,
Speaker 1: he's like, but Davis Dave, that's what he said. Davis Dave.
Speaker 1: You don't always know what's going on with him. But
Speaker 1: he's fine. He's he's kind of crazy anyway. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if he means fine for like life, you know,
Speaker 1: for forever, or just like for this game. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: Dave is Dave. Like that sets it up pretty well
Speaker 1: for David Irving, Like he's he's a little crazy. You
Speaker 1: said that here, fair that's I mean, Dave is Dave fair.
Speaker 1: It's I just if you're not participating by Thursday, that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a good sign to me. I would
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, there's costs for concern that he
Speaker 1: won't play. I'm not saying he definitely won't play, but
Speaker 1: I mean usually, like with a concussion, usually a guy
Speaker 1: who's practicing by thursdays. Zach Martin really didn't miss any time.
Speaker 1: So for him to be out for two of the
Speaker 1: three practice days, I don't think that's good. The tough
Speaker 1: part about it is even though you say a guy
Speaker 1: like you know Lawrence says that, or even if the
Speaker 1: person himself says, in most instances when you're talking about injuries,
Speaker 1: you can sometimes trust that because the players like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm playing, I'll figure it out. They'll give me a
Speaker 1: shot whatever it takes on playing head injuries. Aren't that
Speaker 1: like that, right? It's not in the players. The player
Speaker 1: does not get to make that decision. There are other
Speaker 1: people that make that decision for him. And so if
Speaker 1: he's not practicing as a Thursday, and certainly if he
Speaker 1: doesn't practice the day, you would have to think at
Speaker 1: that point that there's a serious risk that he's not
Speaker 1: going to play this weekend, but we'll see, We'll see
Speaker 1: how that all plays out. Lyle Collins, he's had his
Speaker 1: back injury nowt for a few weeks, still did not
Speaker 1: practice as of yesterday. Is this still just a matter
Speaker 1: of give him as much time as you can or
Speaker 1: do you think there's a little more here? Well, he
Speaker 1: didn't practice last week either, so and he had no
Speaker 1: it was that was just a full a full week.
Speaker 1: This is even more of rest after the Thursday game,
Speaker 1: and I guess it's just better for him to stay
Speaker 1: off his feet. I don't know. I I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna play. No, yeah, I think he's gonna play too.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, but I think this is Yeah,
Speaker 1: this has turned into let's just manage this the best
Speaker 1: weekend type of situation. This is a give him and
Speaker 1: he may not practice much the rest of the season
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I think so yeah, Yeah, he might
Speaker 1: be one that goes on ir before if they if
Speaker 1: they lose, if they lose games and they're out of
Speaker 1: the playoff race, I could see if he's gonna have
Speaker 1: some kind of surgery. It just seems like he might.
Speaker 1: Same with Tyrant too. On the back. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: hate when you start getting into situations where you're having
Speaker 1: to have surgery on your back. Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: hate when you have situations when you can't practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get I mean, but sometimes with back injury,
Speaker 1: it's a matter of give it time, time to heal,
Speaker 1: time to rest, and then it's okay. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't and I'm jumping the gun. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't really don't know. I could see Tyrant more
Speaker 1: than La Lee because the Tyrant fought through this and
Speaker 1: fought through this and then lall, this is kind of
Speaker 1: the first year we really noticed. Yeah, but that usually
Speaker 1: doesn't heal. I mean, once you have a back problem,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a back problem the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: But but I think there's sometimes when the issue that
Speaker 1: you're having with your back, it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: situations where it doesn't have to be operated on. And
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't mean you're not gonna have chronic
Speaker 1: problems the rest of you your life. But I do
Speaker 1: think there's sometimes when you won't have to necessarily have surgery.
Speaker 1: You give it time, it heals, and you're able to
Speaker 1: get back to doing whatever you were doing, and then
Speaker 1: there is the process. There's always the possibility going from
Speaker 1: there the year that it might flare back up, right,
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I just when you start
Speaker 1: talking about back surgery, really back injuries for guys that
Speaker 1: are at their level of their career, that does concern
Speaker 1: I think about Troy Aikman, actually Achman and like ninety
Speaker 1: three or so, he had some back issues, had to
Speaker 1: take court his own shots and stuff, and he played
Speaker 1: eight nine more years, you know. So it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he wasn't hurting him at r but you know, right,
Speaker 1: and still you know, he fought through it for several
Speaker 1: years too. I would guess that they'll be I mean,
Speaker 1: they'll be managing this for the rest of the year
Speaker 1: with Lyle. That's that's the upshot. Okay, how about the
Speaker 1: the guys that were limited in practice yesterday, any of them,
Speaker 1: uh stick out as as potentially not being able to
Speaker 1: play at Bryce Butler with a foot injury. Malie Collins
Speaker 1: has been kind limited for a while now with a
Speaker 1: foot injury. Justin Durant, with this concussion, he goes back
Speaker 1: to limit it, that should be a good sign for him.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee hamstring, we think he's gonna play, and then
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith again with the back. What do you think
Speaker 1: of those guys? And when I think of Durant, I
Speaker 1: think of Sean Lee coming back and and Hitchens, and
Speaker 1: they really haven't had all of those guys active. So
Speaker 1: with him coming back from a concussion, I would think
Speaker 1: he would be your guy that would be an actor
Speaker 1: of this game. I don't march Lillard two or him
Speaker 1: along with him, him first and then march Lillard if
Speaker 1: you think if you need you know how. I don't
Speaker 1: think Durant even wore a helmet to practice yesterday, Like
Speaker 1: he was out there running around and he wore a jersey,
Speaker 1: but he didn't even have a helmet on. Like I
Speaker 1: think they're just so he wasn't He wasn't taking part
Speaker 1: in that. You're not saying he was out there with
Speaker 1: the rest of the team practicing and they got on
Speaker 1: helmets and he doesn't have on a helmet. Well theoretically yeah,
Speaker 1: like he was out on the field without a helmet on,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't taking part of all the same stuff.
Speaker 1: They didn't send him out there with a helmet on.
Speaker 1: You need a helmet. He was he was very limited
Speaker 1: in what he was doing at it, I believe got it.
Speaker 1: So that's all what you and that that you put
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and Anthony Hitchins out there together, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many games has it been? How many
Speaker 1: games have they had with the two of them this season?
Speaker 1: Is that it? No? No, Hitchins wasn't even back for
Speaker 1: Dinny it would have been um San Francisco. The three
Speaker 1: game winning streak. San Francisco washed both of them during
Speaker 1: address it Yeah. Yeah? And then what was the third game?
Speaker 1: I'm Washington? What was the second game? Washington? Was a
Speaker 1: second game than Kansas City? Kansas City? Sorry? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: then Lee got hurt in Atlanta. So there're three No,
Speaker 1: when those two guys are playing, all right? So he
Speaker 1: getting back and you go on a five game win streak. Awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think that makes a really
Speaker 1: big difference this week. Maybe not as much as others
Speaker 1: because the Giants are really bad on offense, but you see,
Speaker 1: I mean they're one in five in games when they
Speaker 1: don't have lead in five and one in games when
Speaker 1: they do. And then I you know, Hitchins has had
Speaker 1: an outstanding season. He's got he's got sixty tackles, even
Speaker 1: though he didn't play for the first time until what
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Like, he's playing really, really well. He had
Speaker 1: probably the game of his career last week, one of
Speaker 1: them at least. Let me ask you a big question
Speaker 1: right now, if you had to make a decision on him,
Speaker 1: are you trying to resign him? Yes, But it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to specify because, like I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: what his money is. Yeah, Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: type of price he can command. I don't so, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, you look at a guy Barry Church did
Speaker 1: it longer. But I think in terms of like their
Speaker 1: skill set and their talent level, it's probably similar. Like
Speaker 1: you know, we had that argument in the offseason, like
Speaker 1: not a Pro Bowl player, but probably about as good
Speaker 1: as you can be without being a Pro Bowl player,
Speaker 1: Which those kind of guys are valuable if you got
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl players with them, right point. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you got him with Lee, that's a heck of
Speaker 1: a player to pair with Lee, right I would love
Speaker 1: to sign Anthony Hitchins to a deal that paid him
Speaker 1: like four or five million dollars a year. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's you think if you just don't
Speaker 1: know if the market's gonna say that, Yeah, it's free
Speaker 1: like it's it's like the draft, Like all it takes
Speaker 1: is one team to decide that you're worth this amount
Speaker 1: of money in the whole churches. Yeah, exactly. So I
Speaker 1: would love to have him back for the right price,
Speaker 1: that's all. But I mean, I don't know what that
Speaker 1: price is going to be, and I doubt I doubt
Speaker 1: they do one hundred percent either, you know, because he's
Speaker 1: one of those players that he's got to fit this scheme,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's really tough. Um. I remember when
Speaker 1: when they drafted him in the fourth round. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of people at that point thinking, God, that's
Speaker 1: that's too high for him. I don't have him anywhere
Speaker 1: on my sheets and all this stuff, And but Marion
Speaker 1: Elly's like, he fits what I what we do. I
Speaker 1: love his toughness, I love the way he reacts. And
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some teams that maybe think that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I keep thinking Pittsburgh would be
Speaker 1: a good spot for him, but they don't necessarily pay
Speaker 1: a lot. They also liked their linebackers to blitz right
Speaker 1: from all over, even the middle linebackers. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's something he's own here that he does particularly well.
Speaker 1: I think he's a three four inside linebacker myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I would play him. If
Speaker 1: I were him, I'd go to a three four. When
Speaker 1: he played middle linebacker, he racked up a ton of tackles.
Speaker 1: I think he would be pretty good there. He can
Speaker 1: do anything. He can all played all three spots here
Speaker 1: and done pretty well. But you know, I would, I
Speaker 1: would sign him. I would try to sign him mainly
Speaker 1: because I've got two other linebackers that are just hard
Speaker 1: to trust right now. From a from health, Does he
Speaker 1: not fall in that same category a little bit? Really? Not? Really?
Speaker 1: He this has really been I mean only his only
Speaker 1: games he's ever missed is this year. Yes, but but
Speaker 1: he's played injured. Yes, he has played injured a lot.
Speaker 1: And and I think for him, I learned the hard
Speaker 1: way because I talked to him about injuries and he
Speaker 1: walked through all that. He was like, I never missed
Speaker 1: the game of my career. Like right, yeah, you haven't
Speaker 1: missed a game in your careers? Back talking like I
Speaker 1: was just kind of get out of this, like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was bad. It was he was serious. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was really nice about it, but he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've never missed a game, so I don't
Speaker 1: know about the injury label really. I mean practice, you know,
Speaker 1: he missed practices and it's hot in here. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough one because between Lawrence and Irving you
Speaker 1: have more prominent contract situations, and then Zach Martin is
Speaker 1: another one. So he's like, I mean, he's a little
Speaker 1: ways down your list of priorities probably, which again, they
Speaker 1: I bet they would love to have him back, but
Speaker 1: I don't know how much money they want to pay
Speaker 1: him or how much they can afford to pay him
Speaker 1: with all the other business they've got attend to. And
Speaker 1: I think it's still is going to bend to depend
Speaker 1: a great deal on what do they think of Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith and how much has he grown this season from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of getting better from that injury. If they
Speaker 1: feel like he's ready to take on a full load
Speaker 1: next year, then it's hard to go and pay Hitchens
Speaker 1: four or five million dollars a year. And you got
Speaker 1: lee in, you know, because they're they're nickel most of
Speaker 1: the time, right, Yeah, don't. Sorry, go ahead, Well, I
Speaker 1: was just saying they they kind of drafted this way.
Speaker 1: You know that they drafted Damien Wilson. He Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: is supposed to be playing at this point, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's just but he's not right, and
Speaker 1: they've had injuries he's had. There have been plenty of
Speaker 1: opportunities for them to want to throw, for them to
Speaker 1: throw him in there, and they just haven't. Between Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee being thirty one thirty two and having another injury
Speaker 1: battled season and Jalen Smith being the great unknown, still
Speaker 1: just don't think you can go in the next season
Speaker 1: without spending some sort of resource at the linebacker position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, whether you want to sign Anthony
Speaker 1: Hitchins or use a draft pick one way or the other.
Speaker 1: And it sucks because maybe it'll wind up being redundant,
Speaker 1: like maybe Sean Lee and Jayalen Smith are both Pro
Speaker 1: Bowlers next year. But we can't afford to just hope
Speaker 1: that that's the case, because then you wind up in
Speaker 1: a situation where if you don't have one or both
Speaker 1: of them, your defense falls apart, which I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: this year in that kind of situation, I think I
Speaker 1: would opt for the draft pick just because again that
Speaker 1: means that he's still developing while those two and hopefully
Speaker 1: those two are ready to play. But you got this
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of coming up and developing while those
Speaker 1: two are playing, and if they get hurt, then he's
Speaker 1: got to develop a lot faster. But I think I
Speaker 1: might optical that where versus paying, because once you pay
Speaker 1: the contract, you've paid the contract. I think I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and that's what I mean. There's a big
Speaker 1: caveat on that, which I think the world of Anthony
Speaker 1: Hitchens is just one of those things where I don't
Speaker 1: know if the money makes sense. And I think I
Speaker 1: think for some team out there that would pay him
Speaker 1: probably what he's worth, did get a really great player
Speaker 1: for the money that he's worth. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if that fits for what the Cowboys currently have and
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do right now. I will say
Speaker 1: I've said all this same stuff about Terrence Williams last year,
Speaker 1: and he wound up back here for much less than
Speaker 1: I thought it would have taken to get him. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but we none of us expect the Church to get
Speaker 1: the deal he got, So it goes both ways, right.
Speaker 1: It's frustrating how hard it is to predict the free
Speaker 1: agent mark because it's important and fans want to know
Speaker 1: about it, and it's you know, that's how you figure
Speaker 1: out what your team's gonna look like. But it's it's
Speaker 1: almost unpredictable. Terrence Williams got a lot less than all
Speaker 1: of us expected. Yeah, but he's still getting more than
Speaker 1: I think he's producing right now, there's no doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. That was a severe discount, and it still
Speaker 1: looks like a bad contract at this point. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, No, I mean not get your point. He's
Speaker 1: not wrong, it's just that when you put it that way,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I think you're getting a great deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll quickly I'll run through our inactives list, and then
Speaker 1: Nick has a story for Uce. He's gonna tellus a
Speaker 1: little bit more about this Sunday at four fifteen last
Speaker 1: I mean, it's our twenty and ten. What happened to
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys in the same situation that those giants are
Speaker 1: facing this weekend. We'll do that. Women come right back
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Speaker 1: At the staff, let's quickly run through the inactives. I
Speaker 1: think we all agree that our Lando Scandrick will be inactive.
Speaker 1: I would assume we all agree on guys like Dayton Jones,
Speaker 1: Blake Darwin, possibly Trey Williams. Um I would say definitely
Speaker 1: try okay, Tray Williams. So you're at you're at four there.
Speaker 1: I think there are a few that are kind of
Speaker 1: basically there. There'll be one of two guys. Um. I
Speaker 1: would assume Chas Green and Lyle Collins. One of the
Speaker 1: two of them will be inactive. Everybody agree with that? Sure? Nick? No, Now,
Speaker 1: with two guys you would keep, you would keep both
Speaker 1: of them may be active. So let's okay, let's defer
Speaker 1: that decision. UM. The next one I would think about
Speaker 1: would be either David Irving. And if David Irving is inactive,
Speaker 1: would you would you make Daniel Ross actis? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: So on the one of the two of them we
Speaker 1: agree will be inactive. Um, and then you're basically left
Speaker 1: with a decision. You need two more spots. You got
Speaker 1: justin March Lillard who if you feel sorry about it, Durant,
Speaker 1: I did not. Duran's still out there, So would you
Speaker 1: sit both of them? So I guess your option is
Speaker 1: you can either sit both of them, or you can
Speaker 1: sit one of them and whoever, if Lyle is inactive,
Speaker 1: he's the other one. Or if he's active, then Chatz
Speaker 1: is the other one. Which way would get Bryce Butler here?
Speaker 1: Butler was put on the injury report there. It's a
Speaker 1: deep position. You know, they don't get all those guys
Speaker 1: in the game. Very limited. He's been limited lately. This
Speaker 1: is not going to be a huge passing game. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think so wouldn't surprise me at all. If Butler's
Speaker 1: the guy that's inactive and Noah Brown plays and they
Speaker 1: go with five. I mean, I don't know that. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of throwing in there. Let's let's don't throw
Speaker 1: that part out. If you're thinking, man, I got two
Speaker 1: tackles at our back injuries. You know what, I'd rather
Speaker 1: just keep Chatz and Byron Bell both active. I think
Speaker 1: I'd keep Bryce Butler inactive this week. Just depends on
Speaker 1: how serious it is. What did they do last week
Speaker 1: at tackle? As far as an active they was Chatz inactive?
Speaker 1: Last week. I believe so I think he was, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it seems like it seems like to me, even
Speaker 1: though Lyles had this injury now for a little bit,
Speaker 1: it seems like they've been okay with the idea that
Speaker 1: when they're going out, they're rolling with them and they're
Speaker 1: gonna just have one swing tackle. They haven't seemed like
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't assume it's getting worse now. You may
Speaker 1: know more about that than I do, but it seems
Speaker 1: like it's the same injury, and they've been okay these
Speaker 1: past weeks saying, hey, we're rolling with three and so
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would change that. This inactive
Speaker 1: thing is tough every week because we really don't know
Speaker 1: what they're doing with the trainers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The athletic trainers. Sorry, it's important, it's an athletic trainer.
Speaker 1: It is antic trainers getting ready. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: by either of those if Bryce can't go or I don't,
Speaker 1: I think you can afford to sit those two linebackers
Speaker 1: if you need to, especial I mean, with Sean and
Speaker 1: Hitchens both being healthy right now, they feel good about
Speaker 1: Sean's hamstring that they don't think this is something that's
Speaker 1: gonna cry up on him during the game become a problem.
Speaker 1: I would hope not. I mean, he has had two
Speaker 1: this year. But I hope if they cleared him to play,
Speaker 1: I hope that they feel good that. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: had plenty of rest. Yeah, I mean it's been it's
Speaker 1: been November twelfth, so it's been basically a month. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on. Let's talk about this, uh, this,
Speaker 1: this this team. Back in twenty ten, they were facing
Speaker 1: a very similar situation to what the Giants are facing
Speaker 1: right now. They were one in seven. Um Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: was the head coach, actually one in six and went
Speaker 1: to Green Bay and just got blasting. Green Bay moved
Speaker 1: to one in seven. Their head coach gets fired. Um,
Speaker 1: and then there was a week of preparation heading into
Speaker 1: a game against the New York Giants. Nick tell us
Speaker 1: about that week and the parallels maybe between that week
Speaker 1: and what maybe the Giants are going through now. Well,
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about, like you said, you
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants that that were coming off a
Speaker 1: really good team, you know, a really good season last
Speaker 1: year and then high expectations and the same for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and finally in a playoff game in oh nine.
Speaker 1: You know, they had the stadium. Twenty ten is gonna
Speaker 1: be a great year, and it just wasn't. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Tony Romo got hurt in week five, but the bottom
Speaker 1: was already dropping out for that team. Um, and it
Speaker 1: just it's just snowballed, you know. And and Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: had done a good job with this team. But then
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you lose, keep losing games. You
Speaker 1: can't justify it anymore. And it's the same happened with
Speaker 1: the Giants. So they fired Wade after a really horrible
Speaker 1: game against the Packers on Sunday night football. Everybody's watching
Speaker 1: forty five seven. You lose. I remember, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: in the press box in Green Bay, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to write this column that Wade Phillips needs to be fired.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in like, you know, twenty four C
Speaker 1: and he's in one A. I think you got to
Speaker 1: come back that game, yeah yeah, And then you know,
Speaker 1: and then what happened overnight was pretty fun for some
Speaker 1: and then that whole week was just crazy. It was
Speaker 1: just a crazy week because he got fired on Monday,
Speaker 1: and you know, all hell broke loose in the locker room.
Speaker 1: There was some fights going on. I'm what was going on.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett gets announced as a head coach. He comes
Speaker 1: in and they we know about middle of the day,
Speaker 1: about noon or one o'clock he's going to be the
Speaker 1: head coach. Okay, everyone had speculated this. He didn't do
Speaker 1: a press conference still six o'clock and you go up
Speaker 1: there and you know, you see the podium. There was
Speaker 1: no podium until right there. I didn't know where they got.
Speaker 1: There was a table. There was a table, he said there.
Speaker 1: Wade Phillip set there, Bill Parcel sat there, Campo, I
Speaker 1: think everyone set there. Garrett comes in and there's a podium,
Speaker 1: and you just knew right then and there that things
Speaker 1: were different. You know, he kept us there until night.
Speaker 1: It's the first night press conference that we've ever had
Speaker 1: of Valley Ranch. And he said the term four fifteen
Speaker 1: six times. I believe that whole week, maybe three or
Speaker 1: four in that first press conference. You know, no one
Speaker 1: cares about War one and seven. The giants don't care,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll be ready to play at seventy
Speaker 1: at four fifteen he kept saying it, kept reiterating, we'll
Speaker 1: be ready at four fifteen. And they were. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. They played their best football. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot more going on there too. Mary and Barber
Speaker 1: comes in wearing jeans on to the to the flight.
Speaker 1: Marian Barber if you remember, you know he and you
Speaker 1: you remember this, he could dress I mean he was
Speaker 1: he would have all these awesome dapper suits and all that.
Speaker 1: But Jason Garrett was the head coach. He wore jeans.
Speaker 1: And after after Jason made it clear, yeah, the dress
Speaker 1: code was suit and tie exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: because suit and tie hadn't always been kind of they've
Speaker 1: been kind of loose, yeah, underweight. So he made it,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, so Marion was making
Speaker 1: a statement and then the Cowboys made a statement too
Speaker 1: by not starting him in the game. Uh, John Kitton
Speaker 1: is the quarterback. They go down, they they they have
Speaker 1: the lead, they're playing well, and they're about to lose
Speaker 1: the lead until Brian McCann, rookie cornerback, goes one hundred
Speaker 1: and one yard interception return takes it back for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, they may do this, then
Speaker 1: we'll see what years is twenty ten. So then we're
Speaker 1: sitting in the press box and we're watching the game.
Speaker 1: Third quarter, lights go out the whole place for about
Speaker 1: five seconds. Think about that, and I remember we're in
Speaker 1: New York. This is post nine to eleven, and all
Speaker 1: the lights in the stadium go dark. I mean it's
Speaker 1: only like five seconds, but it feels a lot longer. Forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this that the old meadowlands are met is meant life.
Speaker 1: This is like the first or second year of met life. Okay,
Speaker 1: so then most of them come back on, but there's
Speaker 1: a there's a patch that didn't come back on, so
Speaker 1: it's still a little bit dark. I know that they
Speaker 1: decided to play the game and keep playing with it
Speaker 1: with that lights the way they were. The Cowboys scored
Speaker 1: another touchdown right off the bat, and but the funny
Speaker 1: thing was alan ball safety for them when when the
Speaker 1: lights goes. Now a reality star, by the way, is
Speaker 1: he he's on? Like what is that show called Survivor?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, not the former not the first former Cowboy
Speaker 1: to be on that. Anyways, he hits the deck like
Speaker 1: he didn't he know what was going on, Like he
Speaker 1: he hits the deck. He's thinking, you know, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a you know what is bomb? No one knows,
Speaker 1: and all the players were laughing at him, all the players.
Speaker 1: He's still kind of laying round. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, the Giants are driving trying to get
Speaker 1: back in the game, Alan Ball picks off the pass
Speaker 1: and kind of seals the game, and so a big
Speaker 1: win for you know, obviously for Jason Garrett. He's from
Speaker 1: New Jersey, played for the Giants, played for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: of course his first game. And you know, we did
Speaker 1: that documentary on it. It's Sunday at four fifteen is
Speaker 1: the title of it for Deep Blue. And what was
Speaker 1: interesting to me was that he's waited his whole life
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. Every every assistant coach wants
Speaker 1: to be a head coach, obviously, or they should. And
Speaker 1: he waited. He waited way to turn down a couple
Speaker 1: of jobs a couple of times, and then when his
Speaker 1: moment arrived, boom, he was ready. And you know, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us to tye some funny stories about it. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got his own version, but but you know, he did.
Speaker 1: He was ready to go. He was ready something he'd
Speaker 1: been waiting his whole life for, and all the things
Speaker 1: you hear and see today he was throwing out in
Speaker 1: that first week. That's what's kind of amazing about it.
Speaker 1: So they talk about consistency, and we talked about it
Speaker 1: is a thin line between consistency and stubbornness. But he
Speaker 1: is extremely consistent, Like his message has been the same
Speaker 1: message from the moment he took over and walked in
Speaker 1: there to have that first meeting with the players to
Speaker 1: this very day. He still says the exact same things
Speaker 1: and reiterates the exact same understatement of your career like that,
Speaker 1: he's consistent. Yeah, did he wear did he wear it?
Speaker 1: By day? I think he did. Did he wear blue sweats?
Speaker 1: I feel like you did. I want to say he
Speaker 1: had on blue sweats. It's in the documentary, Like, like
Speaker 1: we we have that press conference is very first one
Speaker 1: I think he is. I've only ever seen Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: wearing blue sweats or a three piece like this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that long ago to me and I
Speaker 1: just we're talking about probably college and high school for
Speaker 1: these two. Yeah, I was. That was my senior year
Speaker 1: of college. I remember probably your senior year in high school.
Speaker 1: High school. I came. We just esaplised, she's twenty five.
Speaker 1: It's true on the air though, Oh no, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Yeah, it's okay for you guys, of course
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. I got home from work that I remember.
Speaker 1: I got home from work on that Sunday night and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, let me go to
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. No. I just was like, you
Speaker 1: you brought the story? Sorry? Sorry, great? Can I tell
Speaker 1: the story? Come on, sure, tell the story. I wasn't
Speaker 1: even here. I've heard this whole thing like eighteen times.
Speaker 1: We've we've told the story on the air. It's an
Speaker 1: old story. Go ahead. Yeah, that same night that Nick
Speaker 1: wrote that column and everybody knew that Wade Phillips was
Speaker 1: about to get fired. Y'all let the domain name run out, ya, y'all.
Speaker 1: I like how you say, y'all, I wasn't here as
Speaker 1: an organ as though, as though if you were here,
Speaker 1: tell the story. We get back to Green, We get
Speaker 1: back to Dallas, what two three in the morning, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that, And you know, and I'm getting ready
Speaker 1: for bed, and I literally turn over to get into
Speaker 1: the bed and my phone starts ringing, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the phone and I'm like, I don't recognize this number.
Speaker 1: That can't be good this late at night. Pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and it's our domain company, and I mean sorry,
Speaker 1: it's our hosting company that basically is saying, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, it looks like we're getting a lot of
Speaker 1: alerts saying your website is down, and your website is
Speaker 1: down because the domain expired. And I'm like, surely that
Speaker 1: can't be the case, but it certainly was. And I
Speaker 1: ran to my computer and found out that it was.
Speaker 1: It was definitely expired, grab my credit card, and on
Speaker 1: the spot purchased Dallas cowboys dot com domain, which tells
Speaker 1: you that if if I would not have done that
Speaker 1: and someone else would have been available, Dallas cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com could have been owned by somebody else, right, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that was a rough couple of days there, because
Speaker 1: the thing that most people don't probably realize is that
Speaker 1: once something like that happens, like the Internet is just
Speaker 1: this web of a bunch of different servers around the
Speaker 1: world that all connect are all connected to each other,
Speaker 1: that that says when you put in this domain, this
Speaker 1: is what should show up right, it points you to
Speaker 1: another server where the information is. Well. The problem is
Speaker 1: once that gets wiped out, then it takes like twenty four,
Speaker 1: sometimes forty eight, sometimes seventy two hours for that to repopulate.
Speaker 1: And so for the next day, two days, three days,
Speaker 1: there are people that are hitting Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: and all they're getting is just a picture of some
Speaker 1: little girls pulling soccer, and soccer says this domain, and
Speaker 1: it's expired. And then not only that, but then the
Speaker 1: column that I wrote the Dallas Morning News picked up
Speaker 1: the column and said even the Cowboys' own staff rider
Speaker 1: is saying this, so that that they're sending people to
Speaker 1: Dallas cowbuy right. And then our site is down. So
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, did they just turn the
Speaker 1: site off? Is that how bad it is? Jerry got
Speaker 1: so mad at Nick that he just said, kill the whole.
Speaker 1: That could have happened in you know, April or May
Speaker 1: what anything, But it happened right after the worst loss
Speaker 1: of the season and you're about to have a coaching change. Yeah, someone,
Speaker 1: it's so weird. But the show The League on FX,
Speaker 1: I guess it was a fantasy football show. They came
Speaker 1: to training camp two hours later. Maybe yeah, a few
Speaker 1: years later, and they filmed an episode where that happened,
Speaker 1: where they basically somebody just happened up on the domain
Speaker 1: and bought it, and then they were negotiating with Jerry,
Speaker 1: and so they actually had Jerry on the episode negotiating
Speaker 1: to buy it back. Everyone thought it was funny, but
Speaker 1: it was so funny. There was funny. It was way
Speaker 1: too soon, but it is. And in the documentary Sunday
Speaker 1: at four fifteen, it's not in there. No, we didn't
Speaker 1: need to put that in. It's not a part of
Speaker 1: the story. Is It's really not the story. There was
Speaker 1: way more important and interesting things had happened that week.
Speaker 1: You know what was funny? Did you go to giants
Speaker 1: dot com on Monday? Good point, good point. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was fun all right. It was a fresh start
Speaker 1: in every single aspect. There you go. We had to
Speaker 1: even get rid of the old. The hell of a
Speaker 1: spend right there, Garrett, Garrett, you know was the best.
Speaker 1: We're starring everything keeping Amber. She's doing every body's job
Speaker 1: from now. And how about that? Good luck, good luck
Speaker 1: as though she doesn't right now? Cool Timmy John, all right, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: all right, So what we're gonna do. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final break. We're gonna come back. We're gonna get
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Speaker 1: Who do these guys think we're gonna win the game
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to some questions. You can
Speaker 1: call us two one four eighty seven to twenty one
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that won't help you. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: it back today. Okay, you know if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get back. Don't mean it says right
Speaker 1: here to put Tommy John on your end zone. So
Speaker 1: that's what basically what we're gonna do today. We're gonn
Speaker 1: take all of your other underwear put it in your
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. If you know what I mean, Yeah
Speaker 1: I do. Tommy John is going to be your choice
Speaker 1: of underwear. I no if and or butts about it.
Speaker 1: If someone asked you where to get the best underwear,
Speaker 1: you tell them Tommy John dot com Forward slash Cowboys
Speaker 1: blocks your that's not safe, I've blocks your vision. Why
Speaker 1: would you put your older underwear on your rear view
Speaker 1: of mirror? In mirror? But I'm just trying to invest
Speaker 1: with If you want to hang it from your rear view,
Speaker 1: I guess you can. Was there a little awkward? I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried to figure out, you know, one of Dave's
Speaker 1: favorite words. I was trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: get the word donk in there, but I donk donk
Speaker 1: But I didn't, so referring to you know, I definitely
Speaker 1: could have put the booty in here somehow, Yeah you
Speaker 1: could didn't. Oh well, maybe Tommy John for your birthday Amber, No, Derek,
Speaker 1: but go on, all right, again's the best? That's not
Speaker 1: even that can't even be in like the front page
Speaker 1: of the of the way. He had to like find
Speaker 1: that one. Douglas put it on the front page. I'm
Speaker 1: not where he knew it was coming was coming. I
Speaker 1: think Douglas uses it more than I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I want to say, you were
Speaker 1: like talking about an offensive lineman or something, you know,
Speaker 1: probably some probably not probably like a quarterback or a
Speaker 1: wide receiver somebody. Yeah, definitely a wide receiver. I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish I knew. We will move on. Um, let's
Speaker 1: go to the phone line. We got a call from
Speaker 1: Jordan and Florida. Jordan, what's up, Hey, what's going on? Guys? Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a first time caller, a long time listener, So
Speaker 1: thank you for I listen to you guys every day
Speaker 1: and I definitely appreciate what y'all do. We appreciate you you.
Speaker 1: Uh So, my first question would be about Byron Jones. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll pick up his fifth year option,
Speaker 1: but I was wondering what you guys think about maybe
Speaker 1: strictly playing him at slot corner over these next four
Speaker 1: games and just kind of seeing how he how he
Speaker 1: performs there. And then second question would be the ESPN
Speaker 1: Playoff predictor. If Dallas and Seattle both finished at ten
Speaker 1: and six, for some reason, it has Seattle going in
Speaker 1: ahead of us. So I just want to if you
Speaker 1: guys knew why that was, and I'll hang up a listen,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Well, I think is anybody else ten
Speaker 1: and six? That's that's what you got to look at there.
Speaker 1: If there's another is there somebody else in a three
Speaker 1: way tie? I don't. I don't know. That's and you
Speaker 1: know the three way tie, yeah, because if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and the Seahawks finished ten and six and it's just
Speaker 1: between them, it goes head to head, right, head to
Speaker 1: head is the first tie. When you bring in another
Speaker 1: ten and sixteen, then you're looking at conference record, and
Speaker 1: that's probably why if I had to guess, But if
Speaker 1: you're doing the playoff predictor, then you would have to
Speaker 1: go through and look each individual result and who all
Speaker 1: is ten and six? I mean, I'm imagined in a
Speaker 1: scenario where they're ten and six and then say the
Speaker 1: Falcons or ten and six or whatever. Then yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, you go to conference record, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: conference record, it's not great. I don't off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. I don't know what it is. It'll
Speaker 1: get if they win down the stretch, it'll get better,
Speaker 1: but maybe just doesn't catch up to what Seattle is.
Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't have all those numbers in
Speaker 1: front of me. So we were talking about this at
Speaker 1: breakfast today, like it's just the odds are not great.
Speaker 1: Even if they went out, the odds still are not
Speaker 1: super in their favor, especially you know with stuff like
Speaker 1: last night with the Falcons beating the same I really
Speaker 1: needed the Falcons to take a loss last night. It
Speaker 1: would have been nice. So, I mean, they really think
Speaker 1: about y'all watch the game. I watch it. What you
Speaker 1: think about that call there at the end, I mean
Speaker 1: third and eleven or third and one and they kind
Speaker 1: of a ten yard penalty. Oh. I knew you were
Speaker 1: losing your mind because you always think about those kinds
Speaker 1: of things with the penalties, And at first I didn't
Speaker 1: really think about it. I was like, that's probably okay,
Speaker 1: But then when he went for it was fourth and lesson.
Speaker 1: I love that the Falcons guy, and he won the game,
Speaker 1: but I mean he should have right, right you, I
Speaker 1: thought you were probably losing your mind. That he didn't
Speaker 1: take the penalty, should take the film move him back
Speaker 1: because then it maybe moves him out of field goal
Speaker 1: range and they didn't win it. That was that was
Speaker 1: a tough question, Jones. I was, I told Derek, like
Speaker 1: my my conversion and like I grew up a Saints fan,
Speaker 1: and I'm I care so little that I had other
Speaker 1: plans last night, so I didn't watch the game. Then
Speaker 1: I got home and saw how it ended, and instead
Speaker 1: of being sad that my favorite team lost, I was
Speaker 1: excited because Deon Jones made a great play. I was like, yeah, Dion,
Speaker 1: all right, oh he beat the Saints. Okay, he went
Speaker 1: to your high school, right, my high school and my college.
Speaker 1: That's he's easily the best football player to ever come
Speaker 1: out of my high school. Yeah, he's a beast. Are
Speaker 1: you in the top five? Sure? Yeah? Absolutely? All two
Speaker 1: of my career tackles you made too, well, like eighth grade,
Speaker 1: like not even like varsity football, when you made the tackle,
Speaker 1: like did you like grab onto them and they kind
Speaker 1: of drag you a little bit, you know when you're
Speaker 1: when you like when you're thirteen, five to six is
Speaker 1: not that short, you know, like I was, you were
Speaker 1: one of the big guy. I was normal sized for
Speaker 1: like a year in high school, and then everybody else
Speaker 1: kept growing and I stayed the same, and you're like
Speaker 1: tapping yourself, like keep going. I looked at my four
Speaker 1: eleven mother and was like, yeah, this makes this is it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm dumb, told you dad. My dad's like five to nine,
Speaker 1: my mom's five foot or something like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, um, let's get to huh. Let's get to
Speaker 1: another question. You give us a question from Twitter. Everyone
Speaker 1: keeps sending comments about the Nick drop Monterrey hauling run.
Speaker 1: Carol Pek, Carrol, Carol have an ass. I don't know
Speaker 1: cut that out turn anyone does. Um, I really I
Speaker 1: don't think it would have been about an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I don't think really no, because that's what there's that's
Speaker 1: why they're offensive linemen. But I think that's maybe may
Speaker 1: have been your point, Like no, I bet it was
Speaker 1: like a linebacker or something, if somebody that was kind
Speaker 1: of just I don't know. I really don't know. I
Speaker 1: want to say it so obviously, I want to know
Speaker 1: it's obvious that that's why I'm saying it's an offensive
Speaker 1: because you were saying, like well, of course he's an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. No, I really don't think so. I somebody
Speaker 1: might remember this or they're all saying, I think all
Speaker 1: the fans what it was de Marco Murray? Oh, that
Speaker 1: that might be it? Actually, what does does anybody have
Speaker 1: any feelings about de Marco Murray? Yeah, but that drops
Speaker 1: not hand yet. They threw that one away. He's no
Speaker 1: longer on this team. Okay, the director, they throw that
Speaker 1: stuff away. But all somehow it just disappears one day.
Speaker 1: Who knows. In order to take a step into the
Speaker 1: right direction. And when the remaining the remaining games, which
Speaker 1: side needs to play better and consistent over that stretch,
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense or their defense. When you look at the
Speaker 1: teams that are gonna have to play, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to have to be the defense because all those teams,
Speaker 1: most of those teams you play, except for the Giants,
Speaker 1: all the rest of those teams. The better, the better
Speaker 1: unit on those teams is their offense. In my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll say the defense too, because I mean, you'd like
Speaker 1: to think if Zeke can come back, and you know,
Speaker 1: let's not forget Zeke has not been very hasn't been
Speaker 1: that great. In the first two games of the season
Speaker 1: in either of the two. And this is this is
Speaker 1: a long enough break where you know a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, Seattle's not the easiest. Let's say it's not
Speaker 1: a great place to start right now. I know he
Speaker 1: had over one hundred yards against the Giants this year,
Speaker 1: so in the first game. But and he's played well
Speaker 1: against the thirty against the Giants, No in the opener,
Speaker 1: like one oh seven h seven, yeah, which gave him
Speaker 1: one fifteen for the first two games combined. Ye, so
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think probably the I mean, I just
Speaker 1: their their offense has not been great, and the offense
Speaker 1: is the only, like, it's the great part of the team.
Speaker 1: That's the part that you're supposed to be able to
Speaker 1: lean on. But if the defense is playing well, Hey,
Speaker 1: if special teams keeps coming through the way it did
Speaker 1: last week, that would be huge, that would be a
Speaker 1: big But I mean, if if the defense plays the
Speaker 1: way it did during that three game stretch, then no
Speaker 1: offense in the world is going to be able to
Speaker 1: help him out. So I'd say defense. Okay, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys went out and still don't make it to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: why can't they take some from this season going into
Speaker 1: the next season. What can they take? Yeah, well they
Speaker 1: did take that. They're they're a pretty good football team.
Speaker 1: They're there are seven and three football team when they
Speaker 1: have Zeke, that that's what they would be. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think they also could take the experience that they'll
Speaker 1: get with these young guys. Think about that secondary and
Speaker 1: those guys, I mean, they rebuilt that thing. They rebuilt
Speaker 1: the secondary this year and so to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: they had to know coming into this year they were
Speaker 1: going to have some struggles in secondary because there was
Speaker 1: relatively little experience. But if, as you expect this weekend,
Speaker 1: all three of those rookies will be out there and
Speaker 1: playing regularly. It's that you can't buy that kind of
Speaker 1: experience for first year guys on a team, where especially
Speaker 1: if you got if you get a string of wins
Speaker 1: with those guys out there, that'll build a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence going to next year for those young guys. So
Speaker 1: I think that could be very very valuable to him.
Speaker 1: Take what you just said and apply it to Lyall
Speaker 1: Collins too, because I think good point. We I mean
Speaker 1: that it was right tackle and left guard, Like there's
Speaker 1: two big question marks. I don't consider right tackle a
Speaker 1: question mark anymore. Yeah, he hasn't. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: an All Pro by any stretch, but he has more
Speaker 1: than held his own and it has gained a lot
Speaker 1: of experience. And like I go into next season like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the right tackle. He's a pretty damn good right tackle.
Speaker 1: He feel the same way by left guard. I actually
Speaker 1: we answered that in the mailbag this morning. Um, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing as hitch. If if Jonathan Cooper can
Speaker 1: be brought back for a good price, I'm all about it.
Speaker 1: I think he's played really well that you put this
Speaker 1: this line together for a second year, I think it
Speaker 1: might be really working. I think I think that would
Speaker 1: be great. I also think that somehow offensive line should
Speaker 1: probably be addressed in the draft. Agree, tackle guard, whatever,
Speaker 1: starting left guard, if you don't keep Cooper, but definitely
Speaker 1: a swing tackle, that's something that I'm looking at for sure.
Speaker 1: But those five I feel really good about, to be
Speaker 1: honest with the other reason why I think you gotta
Speaker 1: addressed what you should address swing tackle in the draft
Speaker 1: is because with the injuries that you've seen from Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith the last couple of years, absolutely where those injuries
Speaker 1: are and the frequency of those injuries suggests that you
Speaker 1: better start thinking about what happens if at some point
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where it's just he can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore, It's fine. I told from an injury standpoint,
Speaker 1: not from a skill standpoint, just from an injury stamp.
Speaker 1: I told Tyron that when he heard his groin, I
Speaker 1: was like, getting old man got like all all these injuries.
Speaker 1: He's He's like, on I'm like twenty seven. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're You've been in the league for like a decade though,
Speaker 1: like you're ancient by football standards, so and you would
Speaker 1: hope you still got another ten years with him. I
Speaker 1: mean that would be that would be an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: play a long time. But it's just when you when
Speaker 1: you got back injuries and they're continuing back problems, then
Speaker 1: I think you have to at least be thought thoughtful
Speaker 1: about what do you do in the event. It's like
Speaker 1: your car, you gotta be thinking about like maintenance and
Speaker 1: maintaining it and stuff like, way before the problems actually happened.
Speaker 1: You know, this screams scenario like Jalen Smith, but from
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle uh standpoint, like I believe a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Was it the Bengals that signed that guy
Speaker 1: from or drafted a guy from A and M. That was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce it. It was a weird name. I can't, uh, well,
Speaker 1: booye or something. I was gonna say hot booty, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's not something, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: But oh, boy, wouldn't wasn't that his name? You're the
Speaker 1: Aggie Kent? Yeah? I think so. Well, somebody he was
Speaker 1: like a first round talent and and and he was
Speaker 1: out for the year or the torn acl was gonna
Speaker 1: miss the whole year or whatever. I could see Jerry
Speaker 1: doing something like that at tackle, going all right, trying
Speaker 1: to steal one in the second or third round, somebody
Speaker 1: that would probably be drafted higher. He does that in
Speaker 1: all positions. But then then you can get a talented player.
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, that's how they got Lyle Collins. They
Speaker 1: got Lyle Collins, who should have been a top ten pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have to spend a draft pick on that.
Speaker 1: But let's use a second round pick on a good
Speaker 1: player who can play right now. That's what I But
Speaker 1: but if you're talking about a tackle, you don't want
Speaker 1: that guy to play anyway. I know, I'm just the
Speaker 1: second round being the like adventure round is like I'm
Speaker 1: ready to get off that right, I am too. I
Speaker 1: am too. But if you're going to draft an offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: your your hope is that it wasn't gonna he wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna play anyways. Yeah for sure. But yeah, I'm with
Speaker 1: you on them, on them trying to trying to steal
Speaker 1: picks all the time. But I mean that's go back
Speaker 1: in the last ten years, I mean seven or eight years.
Speaker 1: Everybody they draft is that way. Second Yeah, not even that,
Speaker 1: I mean that's Bryant. I mean, I mean they're trying
Speaker 1: to get steals. You know something. I think it's all
Speaker 1: all the dominoes from Randy Moss. I think Randy Moss
Speaker 1: taught them. Hey, if you think the guy can be
Speaker 1: a star, then there's a good chance he will be.
Speaker 1: And don't be the guy that passed up on him.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get a call from Spencer and Maryland. Spencer,
Speaker 1: what up, Hey, guys, how are you doing good? Are
Speaker 1: you a big fan of the show? All you guys?
Speaker 1: Nix K, thank you, real quick question and kind of
Speaker 1: take you back in from the show. Yesterday. I know
Speaker 1: you guys have mentioned potential shakeups Thereah, Brian, Look, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Garrett fan. I think his message is consistent.
Speaker 1: I think the guys do ride to what he says
Speaker 1: all the time, and not to talk out of both
Speaker 1: sides of the mouth here, but I think if the
Speaker 1: season goes down where the team doesn't make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: so they go ten and six and it just or
Speaker 1: they don't go ten and six so it doesn't look right,
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider certain shakeups, not so
Speaker 1: much heart and maybe looking around the league for other younger,
Speaker 1: more innovative options that coordinator, whether they be defensive, maybe
Speaker 1: even with Eber Forlouse. I just think they need to
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go well, they need to kind of
Speaker 1: examine their staff options and what they do from there.
Speaker 1: As always a big fan of show. Thanksful after getting
Speaker 1: me through, and I think for a crazy prediction, I
Speaker 1: think they do win this week. Um, and it's a
Speaker 1: weird prediction. I don't think that ELI finishes the game.
Speaker 1: Just a feeling all right, guys, it's always thanksful. I
Speaker 1: take care and have it going all right. Thanks for
Speaker 1: the call. It's a good prediction. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: benching and not like him carted off. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think what he's saying is that there's it must be
Speaker 1: thinking there's gonna be a blowout. He doesn't get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I'm saying. So it's gonna have to be one
Speaker 1: of the situations where as a blowout and they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, put in Davis Webb because we're yeh, which
Speaker 1: is probably how they should have managed that situation about it.
Speaker 1: I would be pissed and I would just go in
Speaker 1: and here's an interta throw interception. Here you go, Cowboy one?
Speaker 1: You think too? You think now? He would never do that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't last name still Manning. That would be fun
Speaker 1: to watch, but he would not ruin. Here's the quick
Speaker 1: would they catch it? Hey, Davier Woods Anthony? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: those young guys, they might. Those young guys I actually
Speaker 1: have they got more interceptions, I mean than boy than
Speaker 1: we used to seeing around here, I mean average picks
Speaker 1: per game. Compare him any of those young guys with
Speaker 1: Scandrick yea Scandrids played how many games go seven picks?
Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty something games and eight interceptions? I mean,
Speaker 1: how many dropped interceptions. Anthony Brown has three three in
Speaker 1: almost two years, thirty games, whatever, and it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean George Lewis got won his first game, didn't He's
Speaker 1: this is not a yeah he did. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not a he said something about the young coordinators, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about it. We'll always talk about
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, and you're like, well, the game has changed.
Speaker 1: It's more of a passing league. I mean, I bet
Speaker 1: you the game has changed way more than like Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli's thought process and like philosophies and stuff like that
Speaker 1: have changed. So it kind of means, are you saying
Speaker 1: he's a little bit outdated. Maybe I'm asking I just
Speaker 1: want to be clear on what you're saying. I think so.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think you need to have some
Speaker 1: younger guys in here. Younger. I mean, the game's evolved
Speaker 1: a lot, and there's there's new ways to do it.
Speaker 1: But I mean that's kind of the way it is
Speaker 1: across the boards, not just the coaching staff. It's kind
Speaker 1: of that way across the board. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I mean there's some really some of the guys I
Speaker 1: still think are some of the best defensive minds in
Speaker 1: this country, I mean this league. Are guys that have
Speaker 1: been around as long as Rod Marinelli and they're still
Speaker 1: doing well. I mean, look at the Rams, I mean
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips. Everywhere he goes, the defense is legit, right,
Speaker 1: Tennessee's defense is still pretty good, right. I think these
Speaker 1: there's some of those guys that, yea, even though the
Speaker 1: game may have changed a ton, they still do the
Speaker 1: same sort of print spools. And of course I'm sure
Speaker 1: they've adapted over the years, but the way they believe
Speaker 1: in defense and their philosophies on defense are pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: Dom capers the same way, and I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: they're still they're still doing really well. You know, if
Speaker 1: if they don't make the playoffs, I just I would
Speaker 1: imagine there will be some sort of shake. Somebody's got
Speaker 1: to take a fall, and it was like it might
Speaker 1: not even be like like you're fired, like he's at it,
Speaker 1: but like you know, somebody, there'll be another job offering,
Speaker 1: or they'll let you know, they'll let somebody's contract expire,
Speaker 1: Like these guys only work on two years contracts. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Are there any coaches contracts that are up this year?
Speaker 1: It's not. It's hard to know. They don't make them public.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm positive there there's always there are always
Speaker 1: contracts up. So I think the coaching staff will see
Speaker 1: some sort of change if I had to guess, I
Speaker 1: don't know how drastic or how dramatic it'll be, but
Speaker 1: that would be my guests. But I think some may
Speaker 1: even part ways by their own will. Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: mean that too. That's if you have a contract Kenney, No,
Speaker 1: but not necessary. Well, it depends unless the team one,
Speaker 1: unless it's mutual. Let's hut. Yeah, the only way you
Speaker 1: the only way that the league cannot jump in is
Speaker 1: if you go take a head coaching job somewhere. Right,
Speaker 1: But if I mean there is there is a misperception
Speaker 1: there that people think if you're a quality control coach
Speaker 1: and you want to be a defensive coordinator somewhere, like,
Speaker 1: they don't have to let them out of the contract
Speaker 1: for that. The only way you have you can let
Speaker 1: them out of the contract, or you have to, is
Speaker 1: if they become a head coach. So most teams would
Speaker 1: probably a lot of coach in it's head coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But I mean, I wonder if some linebackers
Speaker 1: coach wanted to be a head coach, I could, Well,
Speaker 1: there's no government, the NFL doesn't govern college, so if
Speaker 1: you it would be more of a legal thing. Can
Speaker 1: you get out of the contract. I don't think any
Speaker 1: team would do that. The guy wants to be a
Speaker 1: head coach in college, I don't know. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: what can you I don't think they really could do
Speaker 1: anything other than try to hold them to the contract
Speaker 1: and sag outs contract. But there may be legal outs,
Speaker 1: legal ways to get out of the contract or whatever.
Speaker 1: But who knows. All right, let's get our our predictions.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you. Who do you think's gonna win
Speaker 1: this game? Um, I'll just say whatever. Twenty seven inspired
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I'm gonna go for the Cowboys, but I
Speaker 1: think that the Giant scot very well win this game
Speaker 1: as well. I'm not choosing both. I'm sticking with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I didn't say any stop it, just think casey no,
Speaker 1: But I'll go with the Cowboy. What I was thinking though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could feel it. I could feel your vibes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's all I have to say. I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a really ugly game, like not like
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're not gonna be happy having watched this,
Speaker 1: if I had to guess just the weather and the
Speaker 1: team's involved. But I think the Cowboys are a better team.
Speaker 1: I think Jason Garrett's usually pretty good at stuff like this.
Speaker 1: That's you know, his whole strength is keeping people on message,
Speaker 1: keeping people motivated. Um I think I said my bold
Speaker 1: prediction is that DeMarcus Lawrence is gonna get three sacks.
Speaker 1: I think Giants line is a mess. Eli doesn't have
Speaker 1: anywhere to throw the ball anyway other than Evin Ingram.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys win twenty four or ten. I
Speaker 1: my bold prediction is a defensive touchdown. I think this
Speaker 1: week last week was special teams, and defense is starting
Speaker 1: to get some picks. I could see they always seem
Speaker 1: to seem to make some defensive touchdowns up there, So
Speaker 1: I agree, though David, I think it's gonna be an
Speaker 1: ugly game. Thing it would be a little bit more
Speaker 1: field goals, so I think weird scores. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Dallas twenty five, Giants sixteen. Okay, I think it's also
Speaker 1: gonna be an ugly game. I actually think this game
Speaker 1: is gonna have a lot of weird moments, weird plays,
Speaker 1: weird scores, but I think the Cowboys end up winning it.
Speaker 1: I do think the Giants for most of the game,
Speaker 1: even at some points maybe are up, but I think
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a much closer game than what
Speaker 1: the final score might indicate. It'll still be within seven
Speaker 1: though I think the final scores sixteen ten. I think
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a win and at least keep their hopes
Speaker 1: alive for one more week, and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: It sounds so uplifted right there and inspired. I really
Speaker 1: wanted Atlanta losing. I know you did. Oh well, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll be back on Monday. We'll tell you
Speaker 1: what went right and what went wrong for Nick even
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eilton. This has been
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