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Speaker 2: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington, where things are a bit

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Speaker 2: quieter today. But like at the end of the horror

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Speaker 2: movie when the hand comes reaching out of the water,

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Speaker 2: that's Chuck Schumer's hand telling members they're not leaving town

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Speaker 2: quite yet. They're expected to report to work on Monday,

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Speaker 2: even as he has the house heads home for the year.

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Speaker 2: The question is is he keeping members here because of

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Speaker 2: progress that he wants to harness on a border deal,

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Speaker 2: or is he keeping them here to apply pressure so

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Speaker 2: there is some progress. What we're hearing from those at

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Speaker 2: the table is remarkable. Senator uh Cornyn, by the way,

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Speaker 2: there's no reason for us to rush to pass something

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Speaker 2: that's dead on arrival in the House. That's going to

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Speaker 2: be an issue. But look at Cen kirston Cinema, one

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Speaker 2: of the three primary negotiators that appears at this moment. Quote,

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Speaker 2: I can see a deal, unquote. The White House now

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Speaker 2: deeply involved. Chris Murphy says that might generate something. And

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Speaker 2: we want to talk about specifics because we've been having

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Speaker 2: broad stroke conversations about what could be a once in

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Speaker 2: a generation opportunity to handle this problem. And the person

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Speaker 2: we wanted to call to talk to you with about

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Speaker 2: it is Will Hurd, and he's joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: The former congressman, of course, former CIA officer, former Republican

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Speaker 2: presidential candidate, who has had a lot to say about

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Speaker 2: the border, of course, not only because of the location

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Speaker 2: of his district, but as a former intelligence officer, has

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Speaker 2: a good sense of the technology involved in some of

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Speaker 2: the demands that we're hearing from the border that escape

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Speaker 2: politics frequently here in Washington. Congressman, it's good to see you,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Bloomberg here. Before I ask you about

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Speaker 2: specifics and where we might find common ground on a

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Speaker 2: border deal, i'd like to know if you think it's

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Speaker 2: even possible. You know the people who are at the

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Speaker 2: table here. Do you think we have enough good faith

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Speaker 2: in Washington? Is there any to cut a compromise on

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Speaker 3: There is because it makes good sense politically, right, is

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Speaker 3: the bottom line? And I think the answer to your

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Speaker 3: both of them.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they're staying in this.

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Speaker 3: They're staying in Washington because they can see the outlines

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Speaker 3: of a deal in two. They're staying in Washington in

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Speaker 3: order to force it to happen. What always shocks people

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Speaker 3: nothing better to force elected officials to do something than

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Speaker 3: get back home before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Well, so what's real? We have already seen HR two

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Speaker 2: and Speaker Mike Johnson says that's the starting line here

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Speaker 2: in the House, as members don't want anything short of that.

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Speaker 2: It did not receive a single Democratic vote, But we

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Speaker 2: are hearing about common ground on tightening asylum law. I'd

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Speaker 2: to what extent should asylum law be redefined?

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Speaker 3: Well, asylum law should should. It should be very simple.

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Speaker 3: We don't even have to redefine it stop treating everybody

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Speaker 4: You have to be part of a tectic class. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Lookt so you have to be under violent under physical

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be targeted by your government because

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Speaker 4: Because you're part of a protected class.

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Speaker 3: And those definitions State Department has that. It's very clear

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Speaker 3: so what does that look like in a deal for Congress,

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Speaker 3: willing to deal with President Biden on this because President

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Speaker 2: Where should the president fall on safe third countries? This

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Speaker 4: Well, it's simple like that.

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Speaker 3: Where the policy should be is, you know, you've got

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Speaker 4: You can't apply for asylum any other way, right.

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Speaker 2: When you're coming through another country.

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Speaker 3: If you're coming through another country, it still starts with

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Speaker 3: you where you were from, right, and you should also

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Speaker 4: That has been the norm around around the world. Right.

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Speaker 4: You should be applying for siem in some cases in.

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Speaker 3: this is what the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Are real frauds. Negotiate on streamlining legal immigration.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, this is something that I've spent a

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Speaker 2: Well that's interesting, because we need workers in this country

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Speaker 2: if we're approaching full employment. Real immigration is a conversation

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Speaker 2: As we spend time with Will Hurd on Bloomberg Sound On,

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious when it comes to technology, what we

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Speaker 2: again about whether to finish a wall that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: Well, well, the innovative tower initiative started when I was

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Speaker 4: That means we know.

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Speaker 3: Everything that's coming across our border in either direction. We

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Speaker 3: So you need the right tool. In some places where

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Speaker 3: But in other places where it takes border patrol hours

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Speaker 3: It could be drones, it could be UH sensors in

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Speaker 4: And so that's that include.

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Speaker 3: Look so so in some on our coast, Yes, look

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Speaker 3: In that case, you would stop having people potentially drowning

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Speaker 2: As a former intelligence officer, a former undercover CIA officer,

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Speaker 2: part of the messaging that we're getting from some Republicans

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Speaker 2: how worried are you about it?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no question that we've apprehended people that have

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Speaker 3: a potential threat to the country. Right, there's no question,

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Speaker 4: Uh, and and and and so.

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Speaker 3: So that is happening, and you know, the fortunately men

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Speaker 4: But we should be concerned.

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Speaker 3: We should also be concerned with our biggest adversary, the

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Speaker 3: Chinese Communist Party, coming in here and doing intelligence operations.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy just threw the Hail Mary pass in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 7: He knows he's maxed out on Republicans. He's got, by

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Speaker 2: Now alongside Kaylee lines. Kaylee is great to see when

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Speaker 2: we have breaking news on Israel here, which is not good.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and still how little we know about the location

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Speaker 2: calls for restraint by the IDF for growing more intense,

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Speaker 2: as Sullivan asked for a new phase of less intense

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Speaker 2: fighting within weeks, not months. Here's John Kirby.

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Speaker 10: Jake also discussed the next phase of Israel's military campaign,

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Speaker 10: and he asked hard questions as we have been doing

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Speaker 10: about what all that could look like.

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Speaker 4: He did talk about.

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Speaker 10: Possible transitioning from what we would call high intensity operations,

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Speaker 10: which is what we're seeing them do now, to lower

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Speaker 10: intensity operations sometime you know, in the near future. But

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Speaker 10: I don't want to put a time stamp on it.

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Speaker 2: And that's of course one of the real issues your

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Speaker 2: is how long this go on for and have the

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Speaker 2: administration continue to support the mission?

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Speaker 9: Well, exactly, especially when here at home there's growing pressure

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Speaker 9: from within the president's own party to take more caution

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Speaker 9: when it comes to the cost and civilian life, the

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Speaker 9: humanitarian aspects. There are many Democratic members who are talking

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Speaker 9: about an outright ceasefire, not just a lowering of intensity

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Speaker 9: that we're hearing.

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Speaker 4: From the White House.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is one of several issues we're dealing with

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Speaker 2: today in Washington. The other, of course, brings us to

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Speaker 2: another ally that's in a hot war, and that's Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: and great questions about whether we're going to be able

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Speaker 2: to support either of them, all hinging on a debate

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Speaker 2: over the border. Kaylee, We've been steeped in this since

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Speaker 2: we started talking about an hour ago. Chuck Schumer's keeping

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Speaker 2: Senators in Washington. Yep, they're coming back Monday to work. Supposedly,

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Speaker 2: negotiators will be busy all weekend. The question is will

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Speaker 2: this be in vain somehow solving a generational problem the

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Speaker 2: next four days.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you're certainly seeing a lot of skepticism on the

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Speaker 9: Republican side that this realistically can get done, even beyond

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Speaker 9: just a very simple outline. Then there's the other consideration,

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Speaker 9: and that's the House of Representatives. Say the Senate is

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Speaker 9: able to sort this out next week. The House is

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Speaker 9: still gone and the House may not like whatever compromise

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Speaker 9: senators reach with the White House.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're telling the Senate it's already done on arrival there.

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Speaker 2: And we've been talking about this for days, if not

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Speaker 2: weeks now, which is a great opportunity to bring in

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Speaker 2: a special guest. Jim Gilmore is back with us on Bloomberg,

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Speaker 2: someone I always think of as the former governor of Virginia,

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Speaker 2: the former chair of the RGA, but actually spent time

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Speaker 2: in foreign affairs and an important role that brings us

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Speaker 2: to this conversation now as former US Ambassador to the

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Speaker 2: Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Mister Ambassador, I

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Speaker 2: feel like I should call you a governor. But welcome

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Speaker 2: back to Bloomberg. It's good to see you here. A

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Speaker 2: big case needs to be made in Washington. I guess,

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Speaker 2: then again, we're not really talking about the need for

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Speaker 2: funding in Ukraine. We're talking about the need for border

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Speaker 2: security and a border deal to unlock that funding. Should

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Speaker 2: this conversation be happening the other way around.

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Speaker 8: Well, we know what's happening, and that is that the

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Speaker 8: Republicans believe that they're not going to ever get any

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Speaker 8: serious action from the White House or from the Democratic

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Speaker 8: Party unless they use the Ukrainian and Israeli money as leverage.

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Speaker 8: We know what's going on. My view is that the

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Speaker 8: border issue is legitimate. It's something that ought to be

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Speaker 8: taken up as a consensus in the United States that

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Speaker 8: it ought to have to be addressed. But I don't

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Speaker 8: think we ought to lose sight of the reality here

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Speaker 8: that the real strategic threat to the United States rests

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Speaker 8: in Ukraine. Ukraine is the pivot on which the future

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Speaker 8: is going to turn. If the Russians are able to

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Speaker 8: conquer Ukraine and absorb them into the Russian Empire by force,

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Speaker 8: violence and atrocity, they change the entire rules of the game,

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Speaker 8: not just in Europe but worldwide, and America has everything

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Speaker 8: at stake in this. It is vital that this money

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Speaker 8: get passed to go to Ukraine and also to Israel.

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Speaker 9: So, sir, what is your message to your fellow Republicans

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Speaker 9: on Capitol Hill? Even if border security is a legitimate issue,

511
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Speaker 9: is this really the way or are they are they

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Speaker 9: going about this incorrectly?

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Speaker 8: Look, if it were me, I would make darn sure

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Speaker 8: that the Ukrainian money is authorized. You don't want to

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Speaker 8: give encouragement to Putin. This confusion is already giving encouragement

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Speaker 8: to Putin. Putin is a war criminal. He is an

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Speaker 8: aggressor and it has to be stopped. And I think

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Speaker 8: that there's a consensus also regarding the Israeli money as well. No, no,

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Speaker 8: I think that that is vital. I understand why it's

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Speaker 8: going on. Frankly, I can't see the issue here. It

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Speaker 8: seems to me that the White House and the Democrats

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Speaker 8: ought to be able to work on a border compromise

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Speaker 8: that the Republicans can live with and that we can

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Speaker 8: get on about this serious business of financing our national

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Speaker 8: security in the international field.

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Speaker 2: And I M sure go ahead of.

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Speaker 8: Well, what I was going to say is this, Listen,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to be unaware of the power of messaging,

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Speaker 8: like we're doing right now on Bloomberg Radio. You need

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Speaker 8: to persuade the American people that this Ukraine crisis is real.

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Speaker 8: You have to persuade people it is really wars on

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Speaker 8: every day and every minute. But the real crisis here

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Speaker 8: is Ukraine, because that's the threat to Europe, which is

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Speaker 8: a threat to the United States.

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Speaker 4: If it goes the wrong way.

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Speaker 8: Now, with that being said, the President has the bully pulpit.

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Speaker 8: He's the one that has to make the case to

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Speaker 8: the American people, and he isn't doing it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he can't.

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Speaker 8: Do it, but in any case, the public has to

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Speaker 8: understand exactly what's at stake here.

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Speaker 2: Seemed to be trying pretty hard the other day when

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Speaker 2: he hosted President Selenski at the White House. But I'm curious,

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Speaker 2: Ambassador about the messaging on this legislation. Why not call

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Speaker 2: this the US Defense Restocking Act or the Protect America's

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Speaker 2: Defense Supply Chain Act or something. The fact is this

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Speaker 2: sixty billion dollars is low largually going to states like Georgia, Texas, Alabama,

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Speaker 2: that are home to our defense contractors. Are they selling

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Speaker 2: it the wrong way?

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Speaker 8: I think it's a reality that America's power rests not

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Speaker 8: only in its national government it's military, but also our

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Speaker 8: supply chain and our defense contractors. I know a lot

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Speaker 8: about that. I worked with them quite a bit, and

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Speaker 8: this is an element of American power. And then I

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Speaker 8: going to contribute these things for nothing. You can't expect

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Speaker 8: that in the capitalist system. It's not going to be expropriated.

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Speaker 8: So it's reasonable that this funding is going to go

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Speaker 8: in order to supply the weaponry and the other resources

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Speaker 8: necessary for Ukraine to prevail. And by the way they

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Speaker 8: are prevailing, Russia decided they were going to conquer the

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Speaker 8: whole country. It's clear now they can't do that unless

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Speaker 8: we surrender here in the United States. If the United

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Speaker 8: States politics grows now to all of a sudden being

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Speaker 8: defeatists or people who are surrender types of people that

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Speaker 8: want to give up on this issue and put it

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Speaker 8: off to another decade, We're going to pay a.

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Speaker 4: Big pass for this move.

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Speaker 9: Well, you may call it defeatist, ambassador, others will call

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Speaker 9: it isolationists. And it seems like there is a growing

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Speaker 9: number of Republicans in Congress and arguably in the presidential

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Speaker 9: field as well, who are adopting that worldview. What do

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Speaker 9: you think of that?

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Speaker 8: I do Isolationism is exactly what's going on, you know.

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Speaker 4: I characterize it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's appropriate, and frankly, people ought to read exactly

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Speaker 8: the history of the United States in the nineteen thirties

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Speaker 8: when America had a strong isolationist element about it and

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Speaker 8: it kept us out of the war in the Nazis

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Speaker 8: conquered Europe, and we are now are seeing the exact

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Speaker 8: same thing. We need to learn the lessons of history here,

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Speaker 8: and this is easier to do is the Ukrainians that

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Speaker 8: are fighting for their own lives and their own safety

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Speaker 8: and sovereignty. We're putting in a reasonable amount of money,

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Speaker 8: diminishing that. It's very hard for Americans to focus on

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Speaker 8: this when they're thinking about inflation, in the border and

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Speaker 8: all the other issues that have been have emerged in

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Speaker 8: this administration. But the fact is that this is a

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Speaker 8: serious moment when we have an opportunity to stop this

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Speaker 8: kind of aggression in Europe and preserve the principles and

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Speaker 8: values of the American people.

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Speaker 9: So I guess what I hear from the ambassador here, Joe,

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Speaker 9: is that isolationists maybe an appropriate way of categorizing this

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Speaker 9: way of thinking, but not necessarily an appropriate way of

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Speaker 9: thinking during a time of such conflict around the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, correct if we're wrong here, ambassador, because

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Speaker 2: that's the direction that many in the Republican Party want

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Speaker 2: to take. In fact, I think you could even argue

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Speaker 2: that's what the front runner is calling for here in

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Speaker 2: this presidential cycle. What do you tell your Republican colleagues

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Speaker 2: when you hear talk like that.

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Speaker 8: Well, we don't actually know what President Trump is going

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Speaker 8: to do if he's reelected. I know when I was

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Speaker 8: taking a strong position in Vienna at the Ossee, nobody

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Speaker 8: was pushing back on me and tell me to prevaricate

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Speaker 8: or to stand aside. I was pushing very hard on

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Speaker 8: the Russians, on behalf of the United States. So my

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Speaker 8: message to our isolation as friends is turn away from this.

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Speaker 8: This is dangerous to the United States. If America draws

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Speaker 8: back within itself, then at that point our ally may

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Speaker 8: very well lose heart, and the politics of Europe may

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Speaker 8: go haywire, and Putin may be in a position to

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Speaker 8: reassemble his empire the way that he says he's going

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Speaker 8: to maybe even including an attack on a NATO power,

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Speaker 8: and then at that point, if we don't do anything

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Speaker 8: because our isolation is then at that point that collapses NATO,

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Speaker 8: which is exactly what Putin wants to do.

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Speaker 9: Well, sir, we certainly appreciate your view of the world here,

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Speaker 9: especially given your former ambassadorship, but also I'd like to

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Speaker 9: ask you a question, and it is a Friday, this

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Speaker 9: is on a bit of a lighter note, regarding a state.

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Speaker 9: You were formerly governor of the state of Virginia. Back

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Speaker 9: on that which has now attracted potentially two new sports teams,

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Speaker 9: the Caps and the Wizard's going to cross the River,

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Speaker 9: Governor or what do you think of the deal and

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Speaker 9: what it must have taken to make it happen.

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Speaker 8: Well, if it can actually come to fruition the way

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Speaker 8: we hope, I think it's a really good thing for Virginia.

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Speaker 8: It's probably a really good thing for these teams. You know,

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Speaker 8: I've been following the NBA because I always follow UVA

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Speaker 8: players that go to the NBA, and one of them

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Speaker 8: is Anthony Gills, who plays for the Wizards.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking indeed, that means everybody's got across the river, though, Ambassador,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to call you Governor for this portion of

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Speaker 2: the conversation, and they're not going to be able to

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Speaker 2: park over there. How's this all going to come together?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've spent a lot of time in Alexandria and

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Speaker 8: it's pretty busy up there, I must say, so they're

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Speaker 8: gonna have to figure all that out.

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Speaker 2: Well. As a resident of Alexandria, this is something that

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Speaker 2: I am acutely aware of, and I'm wondering how this

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Speaker 2: is going to impact my home values here to speak

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Speaker 2: on a very personal level. But Governor, what's the possibility

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Speaker 2: were the odds of this turning back around at the

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Speaker 2: eleventh hour and these two teams staying in Washington based

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Speaker 2: on a counteroffer?

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Speaker 8: Well, look, it's never until it's done. I learned that

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Speaker 8: when I was governor. It's never done until it's done.

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Speaker 8: But I think that Governor Younkin has really moved this

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Speaker 8: ball along with up the field, if you will, and

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Speaker 8: he's to be commended for it. I think it'll be

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Speaker 8: good for the teams and good for Northern Virginia, good

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Speaker 8: for economic development. But you're right about this, I'd be

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Speaker 8: very careful when I got in my car. What restaurant

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Speaker 8: want I wanted to go to?

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Speaker 9: Very fair? Well, you mentioned Governor Younkin and governor last

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Speaker 9: time you and I spoke, it was on the day

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Speaker 9: of the elections in Virginia a month in change ago,

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Speaker 9: where there was talk of him potentially being able to

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Speaker 9: achieve or wed wave perhaps give him some momentum toward

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Speaker 9: an eventual presidential run, something you yourself have tried a

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Speaker 9: few times. Do you think those ambitions are diminished for

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Speaker 9: Youngkin given how that actually turned out?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that you can't underestimate Governor Younkin. He's

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Speaker 8: a very vigorous leader, and of course this is a

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Speaker 8: nice feather in his cap. The way we've been discussing it,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think that it would have been better

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Speaker 8: if that election had turned on issues like crime inflation

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Speaker 8: President Biden himself, I think that could have happened, and

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Speaker 8: they probably would have been yielded a better result. But look,

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Speaker 8: I never count out a governor of Virginia. The twelve finance,

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Speaker 8: never count them out.

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Speaker 2: Spoken by one Jim Gilmore, it's great to see a

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Speaker 2: governor and ambassador. We always welcome you back here to Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: Happy holidays. If we don't see you again before then,

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Speaker 2: fascinating conversation are these teams going? Is this real or

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Speaker 2: is this conversation supposed to be the stuff that prompts

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Speaker 2: them to stay.

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Speaker 9: I think it's kind of anyone's guest at this point.

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Speaker 9: It's real for now. Joe, Onto Virginia, whether it stays

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Speaker 9: stays real.

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Speaker 2: Onto Virginia by God with Jim Gilmore, I'm Joe Matthew

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