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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in depth

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Speaker 1: as Almost Fame as podcast. We are lucky, we are

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Speaker 1: lucky you get to talk to uh some very recent

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Speaker 1: day for almost Famous podcast listeners and Ashley and myself.

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Speaker 1: We have Johnny here obviously. Um, it's one of those episodes,

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Speaker 1: uh that maybe isn't uh the most ideal. Actually what

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Speaker 1: it does feel necessary because we all watched it and

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Speaker 1: now we need to know more and here more and

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Speaker 1: so Johnny, welcome to Almost Famous Podcast. Appreciate it you people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just laughing to myself if anybody can see me,

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Speaker 1: because because the way that then starts the podcast out

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Speaker 1: like that, like so like slow and serious trying to

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Speaker 1: build empathy and tension is hilarious because I would be like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, guys, we have Johnny and that's and

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Speaker 1: that's how I would endro it. That's why we're co

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Speaker 1: host because we're exactly exactly it really isn't no, no, no, Alright,

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Speaker 1: So let's let's get into this. Johnny, where would you

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Speaker 1: like to begining or am I as host supposed to start.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's to me. I guess that's me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: are you ready? Because I have a lot of questions here.

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Speaker 1: As much as I want to go into the drama,

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Speaker 1: I do want to go a little bit further back

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Speaker 1: than that talk about fantasy suite and proposals. So we

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Speaker 1: saw on Gabby and Rachel's season that you just you

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Speaker 1: aren't ready to get engaged, and like, I respect, I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people were probably like, doesn't he

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Speaker 1: know what show he's on? You're supposed to get engage

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Speaker 1: at the end. That's a whole other debate for another time,

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Speaker 1: but especially going into Paradise, I am got no issue

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Speaker 1: with you not wanting to propose. Yeah, during fantasy suites,

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Speaker 1: I still feel like you didn't want to propose? Um,

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Speaker 1: did you? Did you feel like you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this is Victoria Fuller, like sex siren of the She's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who she was. You didn't know that

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Speaker 1: you know, because I didn't base my decision off of

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Speaker 1: Hell no, No, I didn't know who she was at all.

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Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard the phrase sex siren. Just

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Speaker 1: to be clear, Okay, I I don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: meaning by that. I'm assuming it's like something positive. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. You guys, you guys, I just conbined Kitten,

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Speaker 1: but I've never heard it. Okay, But at what point

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Speaker 1: did you decide I'm going to propose? Um, there was

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Speaker 1: about it, and I was just like, well, now there's rumors,

425
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: and I had a gut feeling, So what the hell?

426
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: Where do you turn in those moments, Johnny, Like what

427
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, You're obviously your mind swirling, chaos going around,

428
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: and you're you're probably thinking you're crazy because she's probably

429
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: telling you nothing's going on, and you're saying, no, it

430
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: feels like there is. And maybe I'm just you know,

431
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: going crazy here. Where Who have you leaned on? Oh?

432
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: My mom? Yeah, my mom plays a huge factor. Um

433
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: My mom. And and you know, I have some friends

434
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: who are just like brothers to me, and my brothers too.

435
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, I do have a good, like kind of

436
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: support team, but things like this I try to keep

437
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: as personal as possible until you know, I know everything,

438
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: But um my Mom's like my go too. And then

439
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to talk to the person, but

440
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: obviously you don't get, you know, the answers you want.

441
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: So from the time that you left Nashville to the

442
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: reunion show, which was the first weekend of November, what

443
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: did Um did you speak at all in there? Mhmm. Yeah,

444
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: Well after I Love Nashville, she kind of stopped, we

445
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: stopped communicating, and um, she was she was super busy.

446
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: She had to do a bunch of work and so

447
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: she was playing around a lot. And Um, right before

448
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: she did all these trips, I had called her and

449
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: just said, you need to kind of figure your stuff out,

450
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: because you're not texting me anymore. It's kind of making

451
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: me go crazy, you know, sitting by your phone kind

452
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: of waiting for someone to talk to you. And it's

453
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: just like I didn't like that feeling, especially coming from

454
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: you know, where we were. So I had kind of

455
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: made the decision to just say, hey, like take the

456
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, weren't traveled, du whatever you gotta

457
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: do and figure your stuff out and and you know,

458
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I'll be in Nashville middle of September and we can

459
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: talk then. You know, it was my birthday and um, yeah,

460
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: were you going for her or were you just going

461
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: for your birthday with friends? Um, it was like a mixture.

462
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: I had friends out there, and then, um, we had

463
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of agreed when I was in Nashville prior that

464
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: I would you know, spend my birthday with her in Nashville?

465
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: So I thought I split it, but we just, like

466
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: I said, we stopped talking. Did you go, yeah, I went,

467
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: that's a Nashville. I think that's when we kind of officially. Um,

468
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: we had like a talk about where we were and

469
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: everything was like right around my birthday, I went to

470
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: her house and we talked about everything. What was the

471
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: vibe of that conversation? Um, did you She was gone, Yeah,

472
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: it's cold. I already thought she was with someone else.

473
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: Like I was like, you just not an idiot. You

474
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: just know these things, you know. Yeah, So I just

475
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of was like, specially never came here, just stucks

476
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: not effect though, I'm not gonna put everything on her.

477
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: We're going to get into that there's something sayting here

478
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: in this episode that I want to talk to you about.

479
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: But until let me get to that point, we're gonna

480
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: get the timeline. Uh what you know the timeline in

481
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: your world? You know it's different. There's two truth. There's

482
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: three sides of truth, your truth, truth and the truth.

483
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get your truth and then trying to

484
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: make sense of all this for anybody watching, because I'll

485
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: be honest. You know, after watching last night in the reunion,

486
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: there is a lot of things left. It felt like undone.

487
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: It was confusing, It was so really it's to get

488
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: clarity to what was going on, and I think we're

489
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: making sense of it h right now, definitely. So obviously

490
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: then this leads us to the reunion. I'm assuming you

491
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: didn't speak for a little bit before that union. Uh yeah,

492
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: that's when the whole Italy and her officially became real.

493
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: And that's when it kind of really like got under

494
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: my skin. And she had reached out right before the reunion,

495
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: and I just was like, I'm not sure. I didn't

496
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: want anything to do with it, so I didn't answer

497
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: reached out how I reached out? How um just kind

498
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: of say what's up? And you know how this reunion

499
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: is going to go down, And I think she wanted

500
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: to discuss it, but I was just you know, maybe

501
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: it would have been better for the both of us,

502
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: but I was just like not happy at the time.

503
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: Just to clarify the Italy thing for those who don't know,

504
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: they were spotted all around room together on Instagram. How

505
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: did you feel when you first saw those photos? That sucked?

506
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I was at work and my buddy sent me a

507
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: text and it was a video and he was like, dude,

508
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,239
Speaker 1: is great because we have a mutual friend. And he

509
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I think Greg's and Italy Victoria. And

510
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, can't be like, she's not Italy.

511
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: We have a reunion to go to and we just

512
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: talked like two days ago, and he was like, no,

513
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I think so. And I got like a text and

514
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: then there's pictures and I was like, all right, I'm

515
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: not going crazy. You can't just both happen to run

516
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: into each other in Rome, you know, like they were

517
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: like spotted that Nick's house together where you could be

518
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: like you could try to explain. Yeah, yeah, I just

519
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: don't end up in Italy. It's funny too because we

520
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of look alike. So everyone was like, it's Johnny

521
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and Italy. It's Johnny and Italy very much. I was

522
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: in Miami that weekend. Yeah, there's a There's an interesting

523
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: thing that I think Victoria pointed to during the reunion

524
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: that is true, and I want to get your opinion

525
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: on it. She said, you know how Sharon is too

526
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: soon to move on. It's a question we've asked ourselves

527
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: on this podcast for years. There's two sides of that.

528
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: And to add to that, uh, not similar in nature,

529
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: a little bit similar in my experience, the sooner the

530
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: band aid gets ripped off, Like you kind of hold

531
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: on to this idea and this ideal of what was

532
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: there and what was happening even though everything maybe kind

533
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: of sucked for a long time, and that band aid

534
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: get ripped off and the truth is revealed. I will say, yeah,

535
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: it's a good feeling. It hurts, I mean it hurts deep,

536
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: and it stings, and it will put you in weird

537
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: places mentally, but it is it is kind of um

538
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: like almost like you can breathe. Yeah, but it's also

539
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: just like ground. It's it's it's hitting rock bottom in

540
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: a sense, and now the only way out is up,

541
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: and the sooner you can get out, it's better. Yeah.

542
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I wasn't just looming at the bottom.

543
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: It was like I finally hit I know, I wasn't crazy.

544
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: I knew something was happening, and it's just like I

545
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: can finally breathe. Then I'm not worried about you know,

546
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not wondering. I don't we don't have to have

547
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: these talks anymore. I don't have to ask you if

548
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: you're with him, like I'm done. Yeah, And it felt

549
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: it was like a blessing in disguise, you know. It

550
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: is just like now you actually don't wish it, but

551
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna if it's if it's happening, Like I just

552
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: people should just be honest because such a long way.

553
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: So you see those pictures and in that moment, did

554
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: you did you want to reach out to her and

555
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: be like what the hell? Or are you just maybe

556
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: like I'm above this? Yeah, I kind of just in

557
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: that moment, I just kind of said I'm done communicating

558
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: Like that was that for me? Before that? You know,

559
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: it was very much like if she reached out, I

560
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: would text back or you know, I would reach out

561
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, are you okay? But um, after that,

562
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't do this anymore. You know,

563
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I need to move on from this. It was hard.

564
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I would you know, like you just see that, you

565
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: would love to reach out and be like, hey are

566
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: you in Italy? Like what the hell? But um, I

567
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: knew from the pictures they didn't need I'm gonna tell

568
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: me yes or no anymore. Mm hmm. Well it leads

569
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: us into then kind of the closing of this chapter

570
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: in life. Um sounds brutal. I didn't know how I

571
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say it, but I'm gonna say it the

572
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: way it's gonna come to me. And you went on

573
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: paradise and you had a really good time. You went

574
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: on Paradise, right, you got drinks made by Wells, one

575
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite people in the world. You know, you

576
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: got to swim in a pool, you got to sit

577
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: on the beach, you got to get some raise. You

578
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: made it to the end. Yeah, you got engaged and

579
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: you've now lost, um, that engagement, that fiance, you know,

580
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: and you have moved on. And as you said at

581
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast, you said you only wanted

582
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: to do this once. That was your goal. Um. Hey,

583
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: first off, you're not alone. There's great things to come.

584
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I can promise you that, I can see that. I'm

585
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: living proof that the future is very bright for you. Man. Um,

586
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: But you're still in it, like you're not out of

587
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: it yet. And I don't want to say it's going

588
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: to be better in a year, two years, three years.

589
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: It might not. I don't know what your life is

590
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna look like. But I do know where you're at

591
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: right now, and again I want to check in on you,

592
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: like what is going through your mind? What are you

593
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: hoping for? What are you dreaming for? What are you

594
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: hoping there is to come? And where do you feel

595
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: like you are personally? Um, Like you said, up, I

596
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: just hope the only thing coming now is up. And

597
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: as much as you know, a lot has happened that

598
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: has sucked, a lot of good has happened. You know,

599
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: I met all these people, have lifelong friends, you know, Aaron, Brandon, Michael, everyone,

600
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: you know. Well, Tyler, don't forget to say Tyler, because

601
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Tyler was about ready to drop his seat to protect you. Yeah, Tyler,

602
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Me and Tyler talk every day. So it's not like

603
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing in the world. And and

604
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm in a much better place than where

605
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: I was, you know, four or five months ago. You know,

606
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm a whole different person. I've grown from this experience.

607
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I got engaged, like I was never ready to be engaged,

608
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: and I knew where I was at life, and I

609
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: just you know, Victoria did open my eyes to what

610
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: fall in love with someone is like. And I do

611
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: not take any of that for granted. So even though

612
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: things sucks and I am and was heartbroken, you know, like,

613
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: I'll grow from it and I'll get better. So I

614
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: think the only way right now is up. Yeah. Well

615
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: just to close that, you know, some of the best

616
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: things to come from this for me was you get

617
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot clearer picture of what it is that you

618
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: need and need in terms of what weaknesses do you have,

619
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: Like you have insecurities, I have insecurities. Actually knows that

620
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I have deep insecurities that haunt me and that wrecked

621
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: me at times. And you know, I found a partner

622
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: um that you sees the best in me, and I

623
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: see I have a partner now that is empathetic and

624
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: caring and loving and gracious and kind and slow to

625
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: speak and quick to listen. Those are things I needed.

626
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know I needed that until something really hard happened.

627
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: And that's one of the best things now. Again, I

628
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: don't know how long that's gonna be for you. I

629
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: don't know when that's gonna happen for you, but it

630
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: is something that comes out of this is these really

631
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: difficult breakups that happen on national television with everybody to

632
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: have an opinion on you do start to see, Okay,

633
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: where am I at, what are my weaknesses, what are

634
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: my strengths? And uh and and what do I want

635
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: in a partner? And that's that is a great thing

636
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: to start processing. So what I'm working and building on

637
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: right now. You know, I think, like I said, this

638
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: show has helped me in so many ways, so many ways,

639
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: and I'm still even learning what it's helped me with.

640
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: But you know, I know that much more now about

641
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: myself and what I want someone. So spot on. You're

642
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: gonna have no double now. You're also twenty six young,

643
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and great things happened around this age. I'll let you

644
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: know that. You know, I was twenty six and the

645
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: whole Bachelor experience started for me, and it maatured me

646
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: a lot and was able to put me on the

647
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: right path. I feel like I think, Yeah, so let's

648
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: talk about the reunion show just for a brief more minute. Um, Yeah,

649
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: for sure, because the audience really seemed to be on

650
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: your side for the most part. But there were a

651
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: couple of comments in there we have to address. There

652
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: was one the conversation that Victoria brought up in which

653
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I can see how it could have been a joke. Um,

654
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: she said that, like her point in being in a

655
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: relationship with you is supposed to be it's a cooking

656
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: clean and if she doesn't do that, then what's the

657
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: point of her being around? Please explain the time and

658
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: place in tone and all that. It's honestly so stupid.

659
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: It's like, how was this so turned around? Um? It

660
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: was literally just a joke because she hates the cooking

661
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: clean and I love cooking and cleaning. So you know,

662
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 1: it's just like someone cooks, someone clean, someone clean, someone cooks,

663
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I cook and clean, what

664
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Nothing? Like, what are you doing

665
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: a relationship? But you don't have to cook and clean?

666
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: This is the twenty one century because so you're basically

667
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: just like, so you don't cook, you don't clean, So like,

668
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: what do you bring to the table? Girl? Is? It

669
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: was like that? No on here, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah,

670
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: we beat it out, just go ahead? What how what

671
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: was the tone behind the scenes? And just bleeps, I

672
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: mean getting it. It was pretty much just like joking

673
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: and laughing at the same time. We were talking about it,

674
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: and I think I think it kind of just in

675
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: a way did hurt her a little bit because she,

676
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: like I said, she hates the cooking clean and she

677
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: would she she would call me up like I don't

678
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: cook her clean, So is that gonna work for you? Like, yes,

679
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: it's fine, Like I don't care, And I think it

680
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: just kind of got I don't know. I think personally,

681
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: I think her back was against the wall and the

682
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: whole rumors and accusations really just got under her skin,

683
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: and I think she just threw out whatever she could.

684
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: You will care once you get married, I'll tell you that.

685
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's I mean, yeah, it's my biggest

686
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: Italian family. You know, it's if my grandparents are cooking,

687
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: the whole house is cleaning, things like that. But I,

688
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: like I said, I personally I love to cook. It's

689
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: what I do, and cleaning is very therapeutic for me.

690
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: So I don't mind. My wife's going to be a

691
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: happy guy. That's so sweet. I also want to address

692
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: the name calling. We don't even know speaking of beeps,

693
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: what you guys were saying, because it was like blurred

694
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: out and bad guys? What was it? Is there anything? Well?

695
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Is there a is there a PG version? Okay? First

696
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: question is this, here's the first question, Johnny, and I

697
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: think you've down up to this. If you said it, man,

698
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: did you did you call her something in the fit

699
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: of anger that deeply hurt her? Hell no, Okay, hell no.

700
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: So where would that come from? It's just one of

701
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: the many arguments that we maybe have said things to

702
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: each other that you know, necessarily wasn't the best thing

703
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: to say, wasn't the best choice of words. And I think,

704
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I think Victoria just had her back

705
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: against the wall and she just grabbed whatever she could

706
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: and twisted around in some crazy way that you know,

707
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: it kind of made me look bad. So you know, again,

708
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, and me and her have been in

709
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: plenty of fights where we both have said things to

710
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: each other and I've apologized to her, but um that

711
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: she was uncalled for. Yeah, I guess we don't need

712
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: to know what the name was that was said. But

713
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: if they beat it out, it's probably better and just

714
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: keep it like that. It's it's it sucks too, because

715
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: you know what like really kind of messed me up.

716
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: Today was like the whole reunion was just sad. It

717
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: was like, I truly do care for this person, regardless

718
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: off she's moved on. You know, I'm moving on like

719
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: I do. I asked her to marry me. I love

720
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: this person and I always have a soft spot for her.

721
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: But today, just out in public, I had little girls

722
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: coming up to me, like, you know, giving me hugs

723
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: and taking pictures like they're about to watch this reunion

724
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: and and it just sucks, like it really sucks. That

725
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: was terrible. It was like an eight year old She's like,

726
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: I love you. You're like, I'm your biggest fan, and

727
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy you're gonna hate me after tonight. Well

728
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: not because of the situation, but does that make you

729
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: worried that now you have these little eight year old

730
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: girls who are looking up to you, and now she's

731
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: accusing you of saying of saying things that like like,

732
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: that's not my character, and Victorian knows it's not my character.

733
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: And it's just like, you know, in the heat of

734
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the moment, I get where she's coming from, and she

735
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: was upset about everything. But it just sucks. I don't know,

736
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a whole public platform and now

737
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: everyone's got an opinion and like that kind of that

738
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: was eating me up. The most about the reunion. It's

739
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: just like, why, why did you have to drag through

740
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: the mud like our issues and things like that. You know,

741
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I was up there kind of putting something on blast

742
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: that you made public. I didn't want to talk about

743
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: that at all, and we had conversations about not talking

744
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, don't worry. That really suck. Don't worry, Tyler.

745
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Tyler's got your back on this episode. Here. You make

746
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: sure everything's cleared up pretty quickly. Yeah. I love Tyler.

747
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: I think a kid. You know, it's a The reunion

748
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: was sad, sad for a couple of reasons, and then

749
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: Gregg comes out and Victorian Greg gets to sit on

750
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the couch together and kind of announced their relationship. Um,

751
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: what did that feel like to you? Dude? That was

752
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: my moment? That sucked. That was the most heartbreaking, crushing

753
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: thing when I heard that he showed up and and

754
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: she kind of it was just all about it, and

755
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I was just like why, Like, I went through two shows,

756
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I went through Batch Strett and now I'm on Paradise,

757
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: and I did all the Paradise with you. I went

758
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: through all those times together and we went We've had

759
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: our ups and downs, and now I was on stage

760
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: for five minutes. I just sit in my trailer by myself,

761
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: and I was just like, this is you know. I

762
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: didn't get to spend time with the cast who I've loved.

763
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see wells, I didn't get to

764
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: talk to anyone. I got to go on stage, have

765
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: a flight with someone that I truly care about, and

766
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: then walk away like empty handed from everything that was

767
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: That night sucked. I called my mom crying. I was

768
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: just like, this is an awful I know. There were

769
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: not allowed to have our phones. I was like, give

770
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: me my phone. I was like I need to talk

771
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: to my mom right now. And they're like okay, else

772
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, what did she say to you? Like my

773
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: parents and I are very close Ashley and her parents

774
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: very close. My parents at one point during this whole

775
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: process for me, said then, I don't know, like this

776
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: is so unrelatable and I don't know what the world

777
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: you're living in that like it's hard for us to

778
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: give you any advice we can support you by like yeah, yeah,

779
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of is the same way. It's

780
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: like Johnny, come on, like really, I'm like, yeah, mom,

781
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: but you don't understand. Like, you know, at the end

782
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: of the day, I was engaged and I truly felt

783
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: that way, and you know, she just said it sucks,

784
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: but you know I need to, you know, kind of

785
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: pick myself up now and hard part's done, you know,

786
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: the reunions over. He already did it, and just breathe

787
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: now and just you know, move on. I loved your

788
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: parents on Hannah and Hannah. I loved your parents on

789
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: Rachel and like the sense of realism that I don't

790
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: normally get from hometowns. I actually felt like that's how

791
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: the conversation would have gone down with my family. Yeah,

792
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: it was funny. My dad's a character. YE love him. Yeah,

793
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: he's such a character. I was so excited that he

794
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: was going to be there talking. So what happens what

795
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: happened after she got off stage with Greg? I know

796
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: that you guys, you know, have parties afterward. There's usually

797
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: the after party after the union, and then the next

798
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: day there was a huge press day, so you guys

799
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: had to be in the same room again together. Yeah. Yeah,

800
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: me and her were um after the reunion. Um, she

801
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: actually had reached out like immediately after, and you know,

802
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: we both felt awful we just felt like we came

803
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: out swinging at each other, and um, she was really

804
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: torn up. Um I didn't answer. I was just a

805
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: little bullshit, but um I ended up seeing her at

806
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: the after party at the press and um kind of

807
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: ran into each other, didn't say really anything, and then um,

808
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: you kind of we talked a little bit after. You know,

809
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: she said she wanted to speak about everything that went down,

810
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: and you know I agreed to so, UM, yeah, I

811
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: don't know, kind of just hashed out everything. Did it

812
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: feel better? It did for a split second. And then

813
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: she goes to the Knick's house and Nick start posting

814
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: videos on TikTok, and I was like, all right, nothing

815
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: was genuine. You know, it's just back to the public

816
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: platform and I was getting tagged in it, and I

817
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: was just like, you're here crying twenty minutes ago, and

818
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: it's like now you're you're like, come on. That's why

819
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: I said, like I just I truly do care, but

820
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: like I just can't keep answering and no more talks,

821
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: like I'm done. Where do you think that happened? Do

822
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: you think she said, hey, post a video of me,

823
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: or do you think we're so confused? By that, Like

824
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: how did they even like put that out while the

825
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: show was going on, Like you're not allowed to put

826
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: spoilers out on social media, so why was that? I

827
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: don't want to say approved, but like and not forced

828
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: to be taken down. I felt the same, just like

829
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: that's why kind of like suck too. I was just

830
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: like I'm just constantly I feel like I'm just getting

831
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: put down, like kicked while I'm down, and no one's

832
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: like you know, and Nick is someone I met and

833
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: now he's out here posting soft launches. I'm like, dude, what,

834
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: like I get it whatever, but like come on, like

835
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna see that. You know, the public

836
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: is going to see that. Like I have people saying

837
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: they can't even watch the show anymore, and like it's

838
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of it sucks for me. You know, I

839
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: can't engage with people, and you know, they're like it sucks.

840
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: I can't watch you too, Like it's all a lie.

841
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't a lie, no, but like people have their

842
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: own opinions about things, and it just it's just kind

843
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: of ruined a lot of for me, you know, and

844
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: like at some point I don't be like growing up like,

845
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: just wait a couple of weeks and then do whatever

846
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: the hell you guys gotta do. Yeah, but like, I

847
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I think from a fan standpoint of viewers,

848
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: they were upset and you know whatever. Yeah right, wait

849
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks the soft launch the first thing

850
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: we talked about here. You know, you you do get

851
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: to see that. You get posted in it, tagged in it.

852
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: I got tag a million times in it. I saw

853
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: the comments that they loved it, people hated it. People

854
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: are like, I love these two and it stucks to see. Yeah. Again,

855
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: it's not fun for anybody pick any team. You don't

856
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: want people to get her or hate you or it's her.

857
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: It's just there's a there is still a timing here issue.

858
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Um that is still confusing to us here because like,

859
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: how in the world did that happen? I don't know,

860
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: how is it? How is it allowed? When it was allowed?

861
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that that possibly it was because it

862
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: created an interesting storyline, very drama. It was very dramatic

863
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: to like kind of see the the ending before it happened.

864
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: I think it helps in a way. It helps them

865
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, looking happy and things like that. No, no,

866
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: doubt it helps, and they all have huge followings. You know,

867
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: people probably love to see that. Do you find a

868
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: little bit of satisfaction the fact that you're definitely the

869
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: one that's getting the more empathetic response from the audience. Mhm. Again,

870
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: it's so fifty fifty because I also don't want to.

871
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't need people to feel bad for me, you know,

872
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't want that, you know. I

873
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: would love to be like Brandon and Sorting, you know,

874
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: just super happy having the best time. But like now

875
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: people are choosing side, and I don't want people to

876
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: be mad at her, and I don't want people to

877
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: hate me. And you know it's like who really wins?

878
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: Does anyone really win? Well, Johnny, I have a secret

879
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: for you. I have a big secret for you. I

880
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: actually know to talk about it very much. But I'll

881
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 1: do our I'll do our bragging. We've got a big

882
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: following two at the Almost Famous podcast and uh and

883
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: we've been around a while. We're still trucking, we're still growing,

884
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: we're still doing our thing, and our listeners are very

885
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: loyal there and so we we have our a little

886
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: platform here UM and we're very thankful for that, and

887
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: we have a platform, yeah, built on talking to people

888
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: like you and getting to hear um you know, as

889
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: much of the story as we can. Obviously there's pieces

890
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: of that that you don't even know, probably, um, that

891
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: could be added in and explained and thought through. But

892
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: we are thankful that you came on with us today

893
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: and UH on these on these episodes, we always like

894
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: to end in a in a similar way, UM, Johnny,

895
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: we see here today we just hashed out the timeline.

896
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: We just talked through a breakup. We just talked through, um,

897
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: a whole season of paradise leading up to an engagement. UM,

898
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: what are you now looking for? Or two? What are

899
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: your dreams? What are you hoping for now to come

900
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: in your future? If you could sit here today and

901
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: say hey, and then this will not be the last

902
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: conversation you have about this, I promise you that, but

903
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: it might be the last really public, like public, you know,

904
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: out there conversation that you have if you if you

905
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: show choose right, UM, So if this is kind of

906
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: that like stake in the ground moment, I'm moving on,

907
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm moving forward. What does that ford look like to you? Forward?

908
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: To me? Right now? Is um? Like you said, it's

909
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: going up. Um. It's focusing on myself, whether that be

910
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: physically mentally. UM, just growing, you know, growing from everything

911
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: that I've learned in this whole process. Um, getting back

912
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: to kind of where I was prior to the show. UM,

913
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: going back to paramedic school. Um, and just doing things

914
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: that I love, like traveling, meeting new people. Uh, this

915
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: is open new doors for me, and UM, I'm really

916
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: going to explore you know, these new options that I

917
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: have and just living my life and and um being

918
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: the best Johnny I could be third person. Well, you're

919
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: twenty six years old. Yeah. Uh, I was twenty five

920
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: when I did this show. And there was a moment

921
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: in my last when I hit rock bottom and I said,

922
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: thank God, and I mean this, this is a prayer,

923
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: thank God that I was twenty five when I did this,

924
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: because I've got a lot of life in front of me.

925
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing for you, man, You've

926
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: got a lot of life in front of you, a

927
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: lot of things to do and learn and experience. But

928
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: for today, we're thankful you're here. So thanks for joining

929
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: us on the almost serious Thank you, Johnny. We we

930
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: really appreciate your honesty today. You're just raw and I

931
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: and unfiltered, and we love it. I appreciate you guys, seriously.

932
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: This means the world to have me on here. Yeah,

933
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: and I think relatable, Like, there's people that are gonna

934
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: listen to this who have been in a breakup or

935
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: going through a breakup that are gonna be like, I

936
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: get it. Rock bottom sucks and it hurts and it's weird.

937
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I hope I can be a shoulder de leanar for people,

938
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, to everyone listening to, Like, I am twenty

939
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: and I just turned twenty six, but I've been through um.

940
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, I was engaged. I am now not engaged.

941
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: I've had my heartbroken. You know, I've gone through things

942
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: you know that families don't go through necessarily. So anyone

943
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: out there needs to talk to someone might feel free

944
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: to hit my line. I love you know, giving advice

945
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: to people. That's a sweet Yeah. Well, Johnny, stay long

946
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: for this, follow follow our lead. This has been the

947
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast. Johnny has joined us today and shared

948
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: his experience from Paradise, his experience and breakup and it's

949
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: never easy, but we're thankful for it. We hope somebody

950
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: listening can relate get something from it. But also we

951
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: hope listeners, uh, if maybe you aren't in a breakup situation,

952
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: we'll just get some clarity on the timeline because there's

953
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: only a limited amount of time that we have during

954
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: the show with that, I've been been, I've been, Ashley,

955
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: I've been Johnny. Not everybody gets it. Nobody gets it.

956
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, you've been, You've been Johnny, take care see

957
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much, of course, thank you. Follow the

958
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart

959
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.