1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: I catchy guy and my daughter or my son's room 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Yeah, if I had 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: a gun, I'd shoot him, shoot him dead, no doubt 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: about it. So why is a guy being charged with 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: a felony for beating and shooting at a guy, a 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: grown man he finds in his little girl's bedroom in 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. I don't get it, and 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I think it's wrong. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: kick it off with Atlanta Fox five News reporter Doug 10 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Evans coweeda County father. He is under arrest tonight, charged 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: with aggravated assault after what he allegedly did to a 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: man he found in his fourteen year old bedroom. Investigators 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: say they're sympathetic with the dad's anger, which included knocking 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: out some teeth, but as Fox Eyes Doug Evans reports tonight, 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: they say he crossed a legal line when he fired shots. 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: A lot of dads might say they do the same 17 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: thing as this mail Cassiez did when he found a 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: grown man inside his fourteen year old daughter's bedroom, and 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: that is to beat that man bloody, even knocked out 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: some teeth. But investigators say there's only so much Georgia 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: law allows and they say the dad crossed the line. 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I completely disagree. The guy better be glad he's not dead. 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to break you down 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, you 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: know this name jodi Arius. What about the name kirk 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Nurmi who was assigned to represent Jodi Arius at the 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: murder trial where she was ultimately convicted in the murder 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: of her lover, Travis Alexander, jodi Arius lawyer and author 29 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius Parts two and three. My 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: final words, I doubt that On Amazon kirk Nermi is 31 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: with us. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalysts, joining us out 32 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: of LA You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall 33 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: dot com. Cheryl McCullum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute, 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: and crime scene expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: But right now to special guests joining us, Ray Caputo, 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Lead anchor W dbo Ray, just let's start with the 38 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: father going into his daughter's room and there is a 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: grown member, a grown man at nighttime in his daughter's room. 40 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Oh holy comin ancy was scary. Zough. Yeah, this happened 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: early morning hours of fourth of Julyants exactly what you explained, 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Ishmael to see us. He heard something and like any dad, 43 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: he gets up lose his daughter's door. Into his surprise, 44 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: there's a man, a twenty year old man that he 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: has no clue who this guy is inside the bed 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: when his fourteen year old daughter. So he does what 47 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of dad's would do. He literally flipped out. 48 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: I guess he did. Joining me Kurt Nurmi Bethany Marshall's 49 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum just got Morgan straight out toys. Cheryl McCollum, 50 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: I don't understand what the problem is. I mean, I've 51 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: seen the picture of the suspect. Well, to me, he's 52 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: a suspect. According to the police, the dad is a suspect. 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Key Humphries. Yeah, he's I'm looking at him right now. 54 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: He's got a band aid on his face. He's got 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: a blow to the lip under the eyes. He's lucky, 56 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: that's all he's got. Cheryl McCollum. He's lucky. He's breathing. Nancy. 57 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: If the dad had gotten to the weapon before he 58 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: got to him. It might have been a different story. 59 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: You're talking about a twenty year old who drove two 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: hours after meeting a child on Xbox to get into 61 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: her house. And that's a question I have. Did he 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: come through a door through a window? Because I'm telling 63 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: you he knew exactly what he was there to do. 64 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about what you just said, Joseph Scott, Morgan, 65 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: Professor forensic Jacksonville State University. Jo Scott, Let's talk about, 66 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: first of all, how they met. This is not and 67 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it makes it any better. This is 68 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: not a high school boyfriend and they're making out and 69 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: he climbed through the window. This is a grown man. 70 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: She meets online. This little girl, let's see, that would 71 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: put her in about the seventh grade. She meets a 72 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: guy online and then he's in her bedroom in the 73 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: middle of the night. How do we prove that's how 74 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: they met? Well, I think that it's very simple. From 75 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: what I understand, they actually met through a gaming system 76 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Xbox and she was playing on line. Does that send 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: a chill up your spine or what? Because you don't 78 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: know who's behind you know, the screen relative to this 79 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: and so there will be a way to track this 80 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: because they go into groups, they have a specific handle 81 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: that they use or name, and so this is how 82 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: they're going to track this guy down. And then you 83 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen Nancy. You know, he has 84 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: been engaging in her, uh with with the phone, and 85 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: so they're going to track him through this. There's any 86 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: number of ways that they can pinpoint his activity with her, 87 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: not just that night, but leading up to these you know, 88 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: to to this event. You know, they had to arrange this. 89 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: He when you're on Xbox, you're not gonna know where 90 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: this person specifically lives. So my thought is is that 91 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: he here's that word, he's probably been grooming her for 92 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: a while. You know what's interesting. I was going to 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: go on another tangent, Doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanais joining me 94 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany. I was to go 95 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: on the a tangent about what's happening online. But I'll 96 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: follow up with that in just a second. But what 97 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: he just said is correct. Joseph Scott Morgan that this 98 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: grown man found in this little girl's bedroom in the 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: middle of the night and he took a beating and 100 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: the dad, I bet you fired shots in the air 101 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: as he took off. But now the dad is charged. 102 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: How bass ackwards is that? But doctor Bethany, I think 103 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: that it is instinctive. I don't think that this grown 104 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: man by the name of Key Humphreys said, oh, I'm 105 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: gonna groom this little girl. I think it's an instinctive thing, 106 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: like the lion edges up to the fringe of the 107 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: watering hole and sees the gazelle. I don't think that 108 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: he's plotting it methodically. I think it's instinctual that he 109 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: starts talking to the little girl and they're texting on 110 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: back and forth, and they're in a chat room on Xbox. 111 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: But that's how it happens, whether it's planned out or not. 112 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: I think Joseph Scott Morgan is correct. I think he 113 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: groomed her. Nancy, You're absolutely correct. You know what's interesting, 114 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: I just went to a neuroscience conference with the world 115 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: renowned neuroscientists. He said the exact same thing you did 116 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: about predatory behavior. He said that it's not thought out. 117 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: He said it was like a lion on the savannah 118 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: that is just sitting there at my idea. Yeah, because 119 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: at crime online and our COVID crimes, don't be a 120 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: victims how I open the whole thing. But he's right, 121 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's instinctive, and I think that Joe Scott Morgan 122 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: is correct. Now. I was just gonna go off on 123 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: a different tangent and tell you and Cheryl McCollum, who 124 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: have lived through my entire pregnancy in the last twelve 125 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: year with the children with me, Okay, the twins, my 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: twins are twelve. At night, I will fall asleep on 127 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the edge of John David's bed, and because I'm watching 128 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: him during the summer, not during the school year, he's 129 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: playing online and I say who are you playing with? 130 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: And he'll tell me or he'll say it's a random person. 131 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: So then I had to listen to make sure he 132 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: doesn't say his name, or his school, or his city 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: or anything that would identify him. I don't want to 134 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: scare him, but that's how sneaky it is. Don't worry 135 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: and about I want to clock like I'll wake up 136 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: and go and fall asleep in my own bed. Climb 137 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about if 138 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,479 Speaker 1: this is the law, then the law is an ass 139 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and yes, I gave up cursing when I gave birth, 140 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: but it's called for this time because a Georgia dad 141 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: is now charged after beating a grown man he finds 142 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: in his little girl, fourteen year old girl bedroom. He 143 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: knocked out his teeth and fired a gun. I notice 144 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't say at the perpetrator as he fled. Major 145 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor, and W dbo Ray, what 146 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: more can you tell us about the injuries this guy 147 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: the purp sustained Key HUMPHRIESE. Well, Nancy, I'll tell you 148 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: what this was one angry dad. I'm looking at a 149 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: picture a key right now, and his lips are swollen. 150 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: He had some teeth knocked out, a chip two, his 151 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: eyes are swollen, he's got cuts. I mean, this was 152 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: a pretty vicious beating, and like one of your guests 153 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: said earlier, I think he's just lucky to be breathing 154 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: right now. I would not have one wanted to bend 155 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: in his position. You know, I'm looking at him as well. 156 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: Notice he was not shot. Take a listen now to 157 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: our friends Atlanta Fox five. A lot of dads might 158 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: say they do the same thing as Ismail Cassius did 159 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: when he found a grown man inside his fourteen year 160 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: old daughter's bedroom, and that is to beat that man bloody, 161 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: even knocked out some teeth. But investigators say there's only 162 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: so much Georgia law allows, and they say the dad 163 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: crossed the line. Investigators say the two men first met 164 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: early July fourth morning in the bedroom of Cassius's fourteen 165 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: year old daughter. Investigators say in a rage, the dad 166 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: severely beat and choked Humphries, even chipped and knocked out 167 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: some teeth, and if it had stopped their investigators say 168 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: the dad might not be facing any charges. But they 169 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: say Ismael Cassius asked his wife for a gun, and 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: they say after the twenty year old jount Yard and 171 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: continued the beating, threatening his life and firing shots through 172 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: the neighborhood as the young man ran away. Investigators say 173 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: that is where because he has crossed the line. Okay, 174 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: do you kirk Nermy, you're the renowned defense attorney. Tell 175 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: me what this dad did wrong in the eyes of 176 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: the state, because I don't see it. The guy better 177 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: be glad he didn't get a beautiful of buckshot. Well, 178 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: I'd be right with you. But up until the point 179 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: when the bullets start flying, and that's where the investigators 180 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: in the law has a problem with it. I mean, 181 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: let's face it, if we're attacking mister Humphries, that's great, 182 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: no problem, he's defending his daughter's anger is justifiable. But 183 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: when you start throwing bullets into the air, the justifiable 184 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: anger doesn't mitigate the damage that that could do to 185 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: another human being. Didn't any damage, and he didn't point 186 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: it at this guy. He didn't point it at the intruder. 187 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: But we have laws, you know, Arizon, we have Shannon's Law. 188 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: Shooting up in the air. We know these things happen, 189 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: they can cause damage. I'm sure Joe Scott Morgan can 190 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: talked about many cases like this. Bullets are bullets when 191 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: regardless when they're flying around, they can do a lot 192 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: of damage the innocent human bodies. And that is undoubtedly 193 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: crossing the line. What if the dad thought the guy 194 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: was coming back, he was no immediate thread at that 195 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: point in time, that's when we call the cops, like 196 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: the investigators say and their stories, call us, let us 197 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: take over. If he came back, that's one thing, but 198 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: he's going away at this point in time, even though 199 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: his anger is justified. The dad here is just throwing 200 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: bullets around and possibly harming other innocent people. But Cheryl McCollum, 201 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: he didn't harm anyone. And this guy, the intreator, is 202 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: still on his property. You know, I may have to 203 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: make a cameo appearance as a defense attorney in this 204 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: case because you know, Cheryl jumped in place. What jury 205 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: is going to convict his dad? Oh, it ain't gonna happen. 206 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: They are not guy to County Georgia. He's not going 207 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: to be convicted of anything. The predator wheel, the child 208 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: molestra wheel. But they're about the law. The minute the 209 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: threat stops, you're supposed to stop the behavior. Well he doesn't. 210 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: He gets the gun and fires in the air. Guy 211 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: is still in the front yard. Why not shoot up 212 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: in the air. He's running away. So there's there's legally 213 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: nurse there. That's your story. Well, let me be clear, Nancy, 214 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: and I will say again there are some things worth 215 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: going to jail. Four And if a twenty year old 216 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: was in my fourteen year old daughter's bedroom in her bed, 217 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: oh honey, I'd walk in that jail's proud as can be. Yeah, 218 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm here. Y'all been waiting on me. I mean, there's 219 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: no there's nothing that I could do except basically blackout. 220 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would lose it, and I 221 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: would I would start shooting and possibly try to run 222 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: him over. It wouldn't end for me either. Take a 223 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Atlanta Fox five. There's a line, 224 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: you know he can't cross. We can't cross. There's a 225 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: stopping point when somebody's no longer a threat to you. 226 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: My advice would be let it go and contact us 227 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: and let us handle it. Don't taken into your own hands. 228 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Investigators have also charged can Want to us As Humphries 229 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: with child molestation. They say he was in a relationship 230 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: with the fourteen year old girl and climbed through her 231 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: bedroom window. Investigators say Humphries is known as Manman because 232 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: of his age and the girls. They are pursuing a 233 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: six crime investigation and more charges are possible. We've gathered 234 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: phone evidence from the young lady. The young man's phone 235 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: has been looked at, and those are things that we're 236 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: still looking into as to possibly further further charges. The 237 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: dad was taken into custody that morning on July fourth, 238 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: they say, after identifying and locating Manman Humphries, he was 239 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: taken into custody in Putnam County Thursday night. Okay, let's 240 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: talk about what we just heard. A relationship, you know, 241 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:05,239 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Children cannot buy cigarettes, they cannot buy alcohol. 242 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: They can't drive a car. They can't buy a car, 243 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: even if they have a million dollars in their bank account. 244 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: They can't buy a home, they can't legally work. Why 245 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: because they don't have the mental wherewithal to do any 246 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: of those things, to enter into a contract. Also, they 247 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: cannot enter into a sex relationship with an adult. That's 248 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: called statutory rate. And right there, that speaker was dead wrong. 249 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: This is not a young lady. This is a child 250 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law. This little girl's only 251 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: about a year older than my little Lucy. I mean, 252 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Lucy's still in the kitchen at one o'clock making cookies, 253 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: doing a TikTok. She shudn't know anything about a sex relationship, 254 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: I pray to God. But long story short, it's because 255 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: she's not capable to enter in to that kind of relationship. 256 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: So why are they referred to her as a young 257 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: lady and the two having a relationship. That is bs. Nancy, 258 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: there were all kinds of things wrong with that report 259 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: we just heard. You said you wanted to dissect it. 260 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: The other thing they said is that why did the 261 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: father shoot the gun when the young man no longer 262 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: pose this threat? Who's to say that just because Manman 263 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: was running off the property, he wasn't going to run 264 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: right back the minute the dad wasn't looking. Do you 265 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: know what the most common age of a child molester is, 266 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: according to the research, age thirteen. That is the age 267 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: when molesters begin to molest and most frequently a combination 268 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: of poor impulse control, hormones and when the compulsion begins. 269 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: So our listeners and the jury and whoever gets involved 270 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: in this should not be confused by the fact that 271 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Man Man is only twenty years old. I would be 272 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: interested to know how long the talking about Man Man 273 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: the intruder is only twenty This little girl is about 274 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: in the seventh or eighth grade crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 275 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: I feel like the world has turned upside down right 276 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: here because a dad in Calweeda County, Georgia has been 277 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: charged with attacking an intruder that was found in his 278 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: daughter's room in the middle of the night. Now, let 279 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: me understand something, Ray Kimputo, lead news anchor w DBO. Ray, 280 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: was he in the bed with the little girl? I'd 281 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: assume that he jumped out of the bed from from 282 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: what I understand. If he jumped out of the bed, 283 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: that means he was in the bed. Okay, As I 284 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: used to tell my gerars Joe Scott Morgan, nothing good 285 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: happens after midnight. Okay, If he jumped out of the bed, 286 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: that means that he was once in the bed with 287 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: the fourteen year old girl. There's nothing good about that. No, 288 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: there's not. And I got to tell you my head 289 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: is going to explode in a second. Over my left 290 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: eye could be having a struggle. If this guy is 291 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: referred to as man man one more time, he's an 292 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: adult male. I don't know who hung this moniker on him, 293 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: this nickname. He is far from being a man. He's 294 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: an adult male that was in the bedroom with a 295 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: fourteen year old child that I guarantee you he didn't 296 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: come over to play video games. And they've already stated 297 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: that they had a relationship. What kind of relationship he's 298 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: physically present in the room. And I guarantee you one 299 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: more thing, if anything's going on in there, there'll be 300 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: DNA that's left behind. Now, my understanding is that there's 301 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: more charges pending on this guy, you know, and he's 302 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: very lucky to still be drawing breath. I gotta tell you, 303 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: this guy, the father showed miraculous restraint in the first place, 304 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: that he showed mercy to this guy, or maybe the 305 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: guy wiggled free. I gotta tell you, I don't think 306 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: that there's a jury in America that would that would 307 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: make these charges stick in a in a case, I 308 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: don't see it going forward like that. But this guy 309 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: is a straight up perpetrator that came and not only 310 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: did he it's not like he walked down the street, Nancy, 311 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: he drove two hours to perpetrate this crime against a 312 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: fourteen year old child. Yeah, this is where I wanted 313 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: to add something to what Joe Scotte just said about 314 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: the charges. There was a case here in Florida a 315 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 1: couple of years ago where a stepdad walked in and 316 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: found his eighteen year old step son molesting his son. Now, 317 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: the father beat this this eighteen year old stepson senseless. 318 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: Now I've seen pictures of the eighteen year old from 319 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: Volusia County, and he looks ten times worse. The difference 320 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: through the father never fired shot, he never got in trouble, 321 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: and in fact, the community celebrated this guy as a hero. 322 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: The only difference the gun wasn't pulled out. Well. The 323 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: mother in this case says that her husband did not 324 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: know whether the intruder had raped their daughter, whether he 325 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: was trying to kidnap her, whether it was going to 326 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: develop into a return home invasion. I mean, a good 327 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: defense attorney is going to be able to chew these 328 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: charges up and spit them out on a silver platter 329 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: and serve them to the prosecutor for dessert. That's what 330 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: could happen in this case if you got a good 331 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: defense lawyer. I want to point out also, this is not, 332 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: as Ray Kaputo was pointing out, by far, the first 333 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: time a vigilante dad has been prosecuted. Take a listen 334 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: to a true story about Jeff Ducett. Ducett, a karate instructor, 335 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: had abducted eleven year old Jodie Plochet several weeks earlier 336 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: and taken him to California. When Jody was rescued and 337 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: returned to his family, his father, Gary was coping with 338 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: reports that Dussette had sexually assaulted his son. We didn't 339 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: know what to do. You just feel helpless. Ten days later, 340 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: when the police flew Ducette back to face trial, Gary 341 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: Plochet was waiting with a gun as a suspect came 342 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: through the airport already my camera raced it up to 343 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: get a close up shot at him. As I got 344 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: a close up shot, and as he got parallel to me, 345 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: Gary Cloche shoots. That's right. I will never forget when 346 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: this happens. The karate instructor abducts, abducts a little boy, 347 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: molest him. When he is apprehended and brought back. This 348 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: dad is waiting at the airport and as the karate 349 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: instructor walks by, he shoots him. I remember that like 350 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: it was yesterday. And then of course take a listen 351 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: to this story out of Alabama, a defense lawyer says 352 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: authorities are overreacting with a murder charge against a Coleman 353 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: County man charging killing his daughter's sexual abuser. Forty one 354 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: year old Jay Mayner is charged with the shooting death 355 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: of fifty nine year old Raymond Earl Brooks. The family 356 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: says that Brooks was sexually abusing Mayner's daughter, who is 357 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: now speaking out about the incident. I was so so young. 358 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember when it started, but when I finally 359 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: told someone I was eight, for the first time in 360 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: my life, I do not feel scared. For the first 361 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: time in my life, I do not wake up feeling fear. 362 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: Coleman County investigators couldn't confirm whether the two thousand and 363 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: two sex abuse case had any connection to the shooting, 364 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: but Brooks was a registered sex offender. The Coleman County 365 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office reports Jay Mayner will be charged with first 366 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: degree murder, attempted murder, and shooting into an occupied dwelling. Guys, 367 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, we are talking 368 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: about a Georgia dad that is now being charged with 369 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: a felony after he beats bloody and intruder. He catches 370 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: in his daughter, his little girl's bitch. He's in the 371 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: seventh or eighth grade. It's a grown man, and we 372 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: believe he came in through the home window after grooming 373 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: the little girl on Xbox. I guess in a chat 374 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: room you can go into. As the guy is running, 375 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: the dad shoots shots up in the air, fires a 376 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: gun in the air. Now he's charged with aggravated assault. 377 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor w DBO is that he 378 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: charged with Agasalt is at the correct charge on the dad. Yes, 379 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: And you know in that jurisdiction, Sharyl McCollum, Agasoult can 380 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: be twenty twenty years behind bars. That's just outrageous and 381 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: it's wrong. It can it's never gonna happen, and he's 382 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: never gonna go a trial. I want to break down 383 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: the real perpetrator, and that's the child molester here. I 384 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: want people to understand what he had to do over 385 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: Xbox to even begin to start grooming her. So he 386 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: picked her out by her voice first. He hadn't seen 387 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: her yet, so he knows she's a child by the 388 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: way she talks. Then he is probably exchanging photographs with her. 389 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: We may be looking at it child porn. He may 390 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: have got her to send a picture because he drove 391 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: two hours to get what he wanted to get, what 392 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: he's selected. Please keep that in mind. When he entered 393 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: through her bedroom, winda not a door. That's burglary. He 394 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: entered that home illegally with the intent to commit Elanie, 395 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: they're in and I'm gonna tell you something else. Somebody 396 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: fourteen cannot give you permission to enter that home. So 397 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: he's going to look at additional charges if I were 398 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, and then to look at it. You know, Mitten, 399 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: you know job lestation is statutory rape, and lord knows 400 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: what else. But I want to say something every predator 401 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: was listening to this show right now, because there's probably 402 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of them, because then this is just pullorn 403 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that ass whoop and manman got is what every one 404 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: of y'all deserve every single time y'all pull something like this. 405 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: Can I add to what Cheryl just said something really 406 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: important That the offending doesn't just start with all it 407 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: doesn't end with all the behavior. I'll just talked about, 408 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: grooming online, sending pictures back and forth, knowing that the 409 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: victim was only fourteen, That is just the beginning. These 410 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: perpetrators get obsessed with their victims, sometimes for an entire lifetime. 411 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: I had a patient who was predated upon by a 412 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: priest from the time he was eight years old to 413 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: twenty six years of age. By the time he got 414 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: into my practice at age thirty, the priest was still 415 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: harassing him, contacting him, trying to have a relationship with him. 416 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: So twenty year old perpetrator, there's you know, he could 417 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: still be obsessed with this fourteen year old victim. You know, 418 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: there's a reason why the father fired shots. There's a 419 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: reason why fathers kill these perpetrators, because as long as 420 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: these perpetrators are alive, they keep predating upon the victims. 421 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: You just heard sound from one girl who said that 422 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: finally she had some peace, that she felt that the 423 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: perpetrator was not going to be obsessed with her. Even 424 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: behind bars, these perpetrators tried to reach out to the victims. 425 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: So it's not just the sex, Nancy, it's what we 426 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: call interpersonal offending, where they continue to want to have 427 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: a relationship with a victim. That's why these perts have 428 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: to be put away for a long long time. Crime 429 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about a Georgia 430 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: dad who is now facing a felony charge in twenty 431 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: years behind bars for beating and then chooting up in 432 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: the air when a man took off after dad finds 433 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: him in his little girl's bedroom in the middle of 434 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: the night. After entering the home through the window, we 435 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: find out he had been grooming the little girl on Xbox. 436 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: And now the dad is the one that's charged. I 437 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: don't get it, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall. For a minute, 438 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: one minute, when I was a prosecutor, I got convinced 439 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: by a group of doctors, shrinks, no offense, a defense 440 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: lawyer that a sex offender could be cured. Okay, this 441 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: was a dad that had molested his little girl. The 442 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: mother told me this was the only time it had 443 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: ever happened. And I looked into a treatment program, a 444 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: lockdown treatment program for sex offenders. Never again. I don't 445 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: think sex offenders can be cured, especially pedophiles. I don't 446 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: know why, I always say, Bethany, And you've heard me 447 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: saved a million times, Cheryl McCollum. You've been in the 448 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: trenches with me and Joe Scott Morgan, peeping tom's, don't laugh, 449 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: burglars and sex offenders they can't be cured. Don't know why, 450 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: but I know that to be true. I don't need 451 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: a statistic to tell me that this guy, As you're saying, 452 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. And we also know the stats that every 453 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: one time and child lester's caught, they have perpetrated up 454 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: to a hundred times for every one time they're caught. 455 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't think they can be cured, doctor Bethany. And 456 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: according to one prison study, enders, sex offenders a fend 457 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: for approximately thirteen years before they come to the attention 458 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: of law enforcement. A sexual orientation towards children is a 459 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: fixed orientation, just like whether you're attracted to a man 460 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: or a woman. You know, whoever your sexual preference is, 461 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: it's there from birth. It's hard, there's little you can't 462 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: really question a three or a four year old about 463 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: their sexual preferences. You know, there's obviously we can't do that, 464 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: but we do know it's a fixed sexual preference. For 465 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: some reason, hetaphilia turns into a compulsion, into a perversion, 466 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: and so it's not just a sexual preference that can 467 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: be contained. Like say a priest who goes into the 468 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: priesthood and decides, you know, I'm never going to have 469 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: sex again. I'm going to be celibate because I want 470 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: to focus on my relationship with God. That's not how 471 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: sex offenders work. They are obsessed with children and Nancy 472 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: not only do they have sex with children, but they 473 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: groomed them for interpersonal relationships. It's the interpersonal exploitation that 474 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: is so painful. This perpetrator that the dad shot at Humphries, 475 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: he made this little girl believe that she could be 476 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: in a special relationship with him. He probably in a 477 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: paranoid way, turned her against her parents. He told her 478 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: that he understood her better than anyone else did. He 479 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: caught her heart, and in some ways, now that her 480 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: father beat him up and shot at him, she's going 481 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to feel so conflicted and guilty. Do you know that 482 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: a sex crime against the child is considered the one 483 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: trauma that colors the child into adult and affects the 484 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: child into adult life both physiologically and psychologically, more than 485 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: any other kind of trauma. And it's not just repeated 486 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: offenses against the child. It's a one time of that 487 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: it's considered our one time experience of being molested is 488 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: considered enough to color the adult the child's psyche for 489 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: the rest of their life. And I don't think it's 490 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: necessarily the physical act, although that's horrible enough. It's that 491 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: feeling of powerlessness that the child. They go through life 492 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: feeling that way, and it changes everything. Guys, this is 493 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: not the first time a dad has attacked an intruder. 494 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to a true story about Aaron Latowski. 495 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: For Aaron Latowski, his sole responsibility is protecting his wife, 496 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: three kids, and their nanny. Don't forget the family dog, Sadie, 497 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: who Latowski says alerted him late last night to a 498 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: break in, and so I came inside and I saw 499 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: that one of our side doors was open, and she 500 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: was barking down the hall towards my kid's bedrooms. Right away, 501 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: Latowski says, he grabbed his shotgun. Meanwhile, the rest of 502 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: the family was a sleep We never would have known. 503 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: We would have continue to sleep and sleep through it. 504 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: So I'm just so thankful. The Tawski went into his 505 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: daughter's room, where he says the suspect came out with 506 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: a large piece of wood, his face masked and his 507 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: body naked, a large piece of wood. You know who. 508 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: That reminds me of Ted Bundy because he used a 509 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: huge piece of wood to attack the girls in the 510 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: coy Omega House at Tallahassee fsu. I mean, you walk 511 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: in and a guy is naked in your child's room. 512 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: That was doctor Aaron Letowski describing what happened when he 513 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: attacked a meal intruder that he finds in his home 514 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, joining me an All 515 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Star panel. Kirknermy Jodi Arius, lawyer and author trapped with 516 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: miss Arius on Amazon. If you were defending this case, 517 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: what would be your strategy? The case against the father, 518 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: the case against the man who shot mister Humphrey. He 519 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: did not shoot the Georgia case. He did not shoot 520 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: the intruder. He shot in the air when the guy 521 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: was still in his front yard. Okay, that's my story, 522 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: sticking to it all right, Well, Nancy, if I was 523 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: defending him, I'd be smaking some of the arguments that 524 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: have been advanced here in saying that, hey, listen, it 525 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: was an ongoing threat. This was my concern that he 526 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: was going to come back, that my family was still 527 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: in jeopardy. Because that's the issue. The Georgia law clearly 528 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: delineates the difference between vigilantijustice and protecting your family. And 529 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: you want to hop on the side of protecting your 530 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: family because that's lawful under Georgia law. And what about 531 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: it just Scott Morgan. How can the defense of the 532 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: dad not the intruder, used forensic evidence to his benefit. Well, 533 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: I think that probably the most significant thing is Cheryl 534 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, how did this guy gain entry 535 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: into the house. And that's the physical part of it, 536 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, like where where he's left parts of himself 537 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: behind in trace evidence like clothing, hair fibers and also 538 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: touched DNA. Also, is there a sexual component where he's 539 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: leaving behind his own fluids, maybe on the bed? You yes, 540 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: I am okay you talk like that, Jo Scott. There 541 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: gonna be no offense. But I mean, let's just use 542 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: the technical term the guy statutory rate. This little girl 543 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: is my assumption, because he's in the bed with a 544 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl. He didn't drive two hours and 545 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: climbed through the window for a cup of hot chocolate 546 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: with Marsha. But you're gonna have to separate. You're gonna 547 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: have to separate the semen fluid from the blood which 548 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: emanated from his body after he had his head handed 549 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: to him by the dad. So that's going to be 550 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: important because that shows he's there, and then you have 551 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: this digital footprint that's left behind. Nancy and I got 552 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: to tell you this is going to be the key 553 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: to this case because it doesn't just happen in the 554 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: immediate This is something that can be demonstrated by attorneys 555 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: like you that are prepared. They can show this grooming 556 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: that's taken place. They can show that this isn't that 557 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: this thing evolved. You know, you can actually profile this 558 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: guy off of this going all the way back from 559 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: when they first made that contact. And the forensic digital 560 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: information is I think probably more important than the actual 561 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, any kind of trace evidence that might have 562 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: been left at the scene, that's going to be key 563 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: to this. I want you to take a listen to 564 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: our friends at ABC News. Listen. A frantic father called 565 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: at nine one after finding a farmhand j Sues Flores 566 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: allegedly sexually assaulting his little girl. The Lavaca County District 567 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: Attorney's office released the dramatic call Okay, I'm glad my daughter. 568 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: The nywhile on the audio is just part of the 569 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: evidence presented to a Lavaca County grand jury who chose 570 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: not to indict the father. District Attorney Heather mcmihn tells 571 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: us why and under the law in the state of 572 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: Texas deadly fourth course is authorized. Okay, so that's what 573 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Cheryl McCollum, last word to you. This 574 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: dad beat his daughter's rapist, Tillie was dead, and he 575 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: was not indicted by a grand jury. Correct. There's two 576 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: things in this case. What occurred in the bedroom versus 577 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: what occurred in the front yard. They're saying that everything 578 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: had been contained in the bedroom while the threat was 579 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: still ongoing. He's golden once he went out into the 580 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: yard and chased him as he's leaving, once he's leaning, 581 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: they say, legally, the thread is thought. But here the reality. 582 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: The reality is no jury's going to conveet this man. 583 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: The other reality is since the dad beat him after death, 584 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: Vince gary him with a fire and a few shots, 585 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: he has saved future victims. What I think the prosecution 586 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: is going to be doing now with the perpetrator is 587 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: looking for additional victims, looking at past charges, if any, 588 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: because pre and post behavior, you know, was so important. 589 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: This is not his first rodeo. He did not drive 590 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty minutes and never come to his senses. 591 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: He was on a mission to have sex with a child. Period. 592 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace Crime's toys, signing 593 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,