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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Friday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show kicks off right now. I cannot believe it

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Speaker 2: is December, but here we are some big things to

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Speaker 2: talk to you about today. The Red state Blue state

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Speaker 2: throwdown last night, Ron DeSantis versus Gavin Newsom. Big props,

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Speaker 2: high five, and kudos to Sean Hannity for pulling it

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Speaker 2: all together there on Fox and getting these two guys together.

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Speaker 2: I watched the whole hour and a half of it.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was generally interesting. Clay and I are

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Speaker 2: going to break down both the substance of that exchange

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Speaker 2: and then some of the policy fights and disagreements that

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Speaker 2: came from it over the course of this hour with

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Speaker 2: all of you. Just also some news. Justice Santa Day

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Speaker 2: O'Connor passed away ninety three years old, passed away today,

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Speaker 2: So there's that first woman on the Supreme Court. And

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Speaker 2: we also have George Santos is now a former Republican

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Speaker 2: member of Congress, and I have some slightly uh well,

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Speaker 2: we'll see different sense of this, different analysis on this

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Speaker 2: than some people I think might have based on the

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Speaker 2: realities of what this means politically and the precedent that

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Speaker 2: it sets. But Clay, let's start if we can. If

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Speaker 2: we can, let's begin here with the biggest takeaways from

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Speaker 2: last night's debate, which are for me, Ronda Santis. I'll

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Speaker 2: start with this one. I thought Ronda Santis overperformed relative

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Speaker 2: other debates. I think Gavin Newsome underperformed because he didn't

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Speaker 2: even manage to be fun evil Keanu. He kind of

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Speaker 2: turned into a slimy, disingenuous and kind of nasty lib politician.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, for me, it was a big win

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Speaker 2: for DeSantis just in terms of what it was. Will

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Speaker 2: probably not. But what we saw was Ron de Santis,

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Speaker 2: I believe, more comfortable really going after a Democrat than

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Speaker 2: he is even his fellow Republicans on a debate stage,

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Speaker 2: and Gavin Newsom really with a very weak defense of

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Speaker 2: what he has done in his state.

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Speaker 1: I thought that Ron DeSantis slaughtered Gavin Newsom, and earlier

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Speaker 1: this week full disclosure, I thought I was wrong. I

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Speaker 1: thought Gavin Newsom would be very likable. I thought he

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Speaker 1: would come across as intelligent. I thought he would filibuster

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Speaker 1: the attacks. Remember, the facts are all on Ron DeSantis's side.

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Speaker 1: He has done a better job as governor of Florida

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Speaker 1: than Gavin Newsom has of California. And I thought from

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Speaker 1: the opening moment, DeSantis just massacred him. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've seen this, Buck And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear from our listeners out there eight

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Speaker 1: react to what they saw.

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Speaker 2: But I thought.

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Speaker 1: DeSantis came out and immediately put Gavin Newsom on his

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Speaker 1: back foot with UH, with this line, if we play

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Speaker 1: cut six. This happened in like the first five minutes

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Speaker 1: fact that Gavin Newsom's own father in law had left

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Speaker 1: California for Florida. Listen to cut six. And I thought

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Speaker 1: this basically epitomized the entirety of what the debate went

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Speaker 1: went and sounded like for both men.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: So I was talking to a fella who had made

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Speaker 3: me that Florida is much better govern safer, better budget,

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Speaker 3: lower taxes, all this stuff, and he's really happy with

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Speaker 3: the quality of life. And then he paused and he said, oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, I'm Gavin Newsom's father in law. So

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Speaker 3: we do count Gavin's in laws as some of the

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Speaker 3: people that have fled California and come to the state

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Speaker 2: And so from that moment, Buck, I just I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't really think that there was any kind of reaction

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Speaker 1: I thought that Sean Hannity did a really good job

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Speaker 1: the Gavin Newsom wasn't able to filibuster and respond very well.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Gavin Newsom, when he was presented with

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Speaker 2: things like CDC data, just came up with different data

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Speaker 2: on a second, are you saying that the CDC data

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Speaker 2: the debate. I mean, for me, Gavin Newsom is addicted

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Speaker 2: this was going to happen. This absolutely did happen. He goes, well,

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Speaker 2: California has the fifth largest economy in the world in

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Speaker 2: California has all this great stuff. Yeah, no one's saying

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Speaker 2: that California isn't an amazing state, you know, in terms

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Speaker 2: over time. The debate is what is the Democrat government

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Speaker 2: has Florida's government been doing and what are those effects? Right? So,

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Speaker 2: because as I said, yes, it takes a long time

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Speaker 2: is a multi year process. You know what we saw

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Speaker 2: this claim in New York City. When de Blasio took over,

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Speaker 2: he was handed a very safe, booming New York. It

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Speaker 2: it was New York's doing so great and never kept saying, well,

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Speaker 2: the trend is in the wrong direction. To Blasio, the

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Speaker 2: trends and by the time he finished being mayor, guess

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Speaker 2: what the city had gone through a big increase in crime,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people leaving, et cetera. Same thing's true

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Speaker 2: with California. You know, you can't tell me what you inherit.

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Speaker 2: You know, don't tell me that what you inherited was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we know that what has he done to it? And

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Speaker 2: I think that was where he really started to fall apart.

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Speaker 2: I mean, on the issue of crime, for example, he

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Speaker 2: it's also a little bit disheartening because the fact that

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Speaker 2: anyone could live in California as a Democrat and think

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Speaker 2: that Gavin Newsom isn't doing a terrible job is shocking

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Speaker 2: to me. No, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Look three other things that particularly I thought stood out.

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Speaker 1: One the poop map, the graphic that DeSantis pulled out

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Speaker 2: I thought that was great.

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Speaker 1: I thought the graphic language in books, where DeSantis pulled

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Speaker 1: And the other thing I would say was for those

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Speaker 1: keep going. Gavin Newsom said he would keep going. Politico

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Speaker 1: During that commercial break, Gavin Newsom's wife came out and said, no,

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Speaker 1: sign that objectively watching this thing, she is not liking

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: I thought Gavin Newsom seemed unprepared. I thought from a

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Speaker 1: debate perspective, he seemed unchallenged, and I think this is where,

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Speaker 1: being in a one party state, he's not used to

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Speaker 1: actually being confronted with facts showing that he did a

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Speaker 1: bad job. Because so many in the media exists to

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Speaker 1: propagandize for the Democrat Party in the state of California.

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Speaker 1: I thought as a result, he was not prepared to

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Speaker 2: I want to get back into this. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: a lot of the specifics here, including on crime, immigration,

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Speaker 2: the economy. The abortion question got some attention last night.

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Speaker 2: We'll dive into all that this hour. We want to

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Speaker 2: I also do want to share my sense to the

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Speaker 2: Santos thing. But Clay, you know you're up in New

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Speaker 2: York City right now, still my home, it'll always be

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Speaker 2: my hometown, and you're doing something really cool. I wanted

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Speaker 2: you to tell everybody about it. Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Join us by the way, We'll take your calls and

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Speaker 1: we come back. Reacting to this Ron DeSantis going up

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Speaker 1: against Gavin Newsom the debate, was it as much of

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Speaker 1: a massacre as both Buck and myself thought?

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Speaker 2: Buck, I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I thought Gavin Newsom would come off and be incredibly

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Speaker 1: to use your word, ole, agonus and oily and unctuous,

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Speaker 1: but also kind of a guy that you might want

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Speaker 2: Can I blow your mind right now? Clay? You're ready

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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised. But to me, I think the more

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Speaker 5: And if you are going to expel Santos, how can

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Speaker 2: I think we should wait, let voters do it. But

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Speaker 1: He's standing on the principle that he thinks you should

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Speaker 1: the same argument we did on Santo's Compared to Benindez.

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Speaker 2: Has there been a Democrat senator who has racked up

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Speaker 2: two high five moments on this show over the past year.

436
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying more wins for sanity than other Senate

437
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Speaker 2: Now you could say that's an incredibly low bar and

438
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Speaker 2: they're all crazy, okay, But I mean he's better than

439
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Speaker 2: some of the rest so far, it seems, Which is

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Speaker 2: what does that tell you? I mean, yes, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, speaking of what does that, I

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Speaker 1: tell you, you know what, it's funny, buck. I was

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Speaker 1: yesterday talking to my fifteen year old and he was

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Speaker 1: trying to track down his thirteen year old brother. And

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Speaker 1: you know what we're trying to do. We're trying to

446
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Speaker 1: keep our kids from getting cell phones too early. So

447
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Speaker 1: we have said you have to be fourteen year years old.

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Speaker 1: My boys, you have to be fourteen years old until

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Speaker 1: you can get a cell phone. And some of you

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Speaker 1: out there are like, man, Clay, that's too early. Others

451
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Speaker 1: of you out there are like, oh my goodness, how

452
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Speaker 1: did you wait till fourteen? My fifteen year old called

453
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Speaker 1: me on his pure talk phone and he said, Dad,

454
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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I said, what, what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Fox?

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Speaker 1: He said, you have to get your brother, my brother

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Speaker 1: a cell phone. I can't find him and we're supposed

458
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Speaker 1: to be getting in the car together and I don't

459
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Speaker 1: know where he is. He was supposed to be meeting

460
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Speaker 1: me on their campus where their school is, and he's

461
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Speaker 1: not at basketball practice and I can't find him anywhere

462
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Speaker 1: and I can't track him down. He said, you have

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Speaker 1: to get your brother a phone, and I said, I

464
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Speaker 1: can't believe that you're actually arguing in favor of your

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Speaker 1: brother getting something, because usually you always say, as every

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Speaker 1: kid does, I'm getting treated unfairly. You know why he's

467
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Speaker 1: doing that, Buck, because pure talk has been so awesome

468
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Speaker 1: for him. Pure talk is how I keep in touch

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Speaker 1: with my fifteen year old. By the way, if your

470
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Speaker 1: kids are traveling all over the place, Buck, you had

471
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Speaker 1: Puretalk in Scotland and you were able to stay in

472
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Speaker 1: touch with me in the phone and everybody else. Thanks

473
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Speaker 1: to their international plans, they can save you one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: I trust them for my family, you'll trust them for

475
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Speaker 1: yours as well. Thirty countries international roaming. If your kids

476
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Speaker 1: are out there traveling for some reason, maybe they're serving overseas,

477
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: maybe there's a variety of different reasons where they could

478
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Speaker 1: be all over the place, and you want to stay

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Speaker 1: in touch with them, get hooked up now. Save one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Pound two fifty is the keyword, Clay, and

481
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Speaker 1: Buck makes that switch again super easy. Trust the company

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Speaker 1: that Buck and I both trust to save us money.

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Speaker 2: And you know I did to switch myself. It's so

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Speaker 2: easy actually, So you just take your current phone. You

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Speaker 2: dial that Pound two fifty, you say Clay in when

486
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Speaker 2: they ask for the keyword prompt and they'll get a

487
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Speaker 2: customer service person on. You'll switch. Your service will be

488
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Speaker 2: as good or better than anything you've had in the past.

489
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Speaker 2: You'll have better customer service actually, but I mean service connection.

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Speaker 2: And you say, what was it? One thousand dollars a year,

491
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Speaker 2: no doubt, Pound two five zero. Get hooked up now.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we come back, the Biden administration

493
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Speaker 1: has got their Christmas decorations up yet, even those you

494
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Speaker 1: can't rely on. Believe it or not. We're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you why. That's coming up next, But first go get

496
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: that cell phone. Taking care of Pound two five zero.

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Speaker 4: The Voices of Sanity in an Insane World.

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Speaker 2: Claye Travins said, Buck Sexton, All right, team special treat

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Speaker 2: here on Clay and Bock. Actor Kirk Cameron is with

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Speaker 2: Play in New York in studio. You'll know him from

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Speaker 2: Growing Pains, but also the books that he's been writing

502
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Speaker 2: and the efforts he's been he's been giving to try

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Speaker 2: to make sure that kids are actually reading good stuff

504
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Speaker 2: and not the some of the filth that's in schools.

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Speaker 2: His latest book is The Fox, the Fair and the

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Speaker 2: Scar Invention Scare, which sounds very interesting. Uh, Clay, I'm

507
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: gonna let you take it away with Kirk there in

508
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Speaker 2: studio because you guys are right there. But you know, obviously,

509
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Speaker 2: last night the desantist stuff with the books got a

510
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Speaker 2: lot of people's attention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a bunch of different copies in front

512
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Speaker 1: of us right now here in New York of books

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Speaker 1: that are and people who are watching this on video

514
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Speaker 1: can see it.

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Speaker 2: But these are books.

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Speaker 1: I want you to tell people out there who may

517
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Speaker 1: not be paying attention. These are books that are like,

518
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Speaker 1: for instance, this one right here is called I want

519
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Speaker 1: to read this Welcome.

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00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: To Saint Hell, my trans tine misadventure.

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Speaker 1: This book right now, and I'm holding this up, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of looking at it. I'm kind

523
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Speaker 1: of in disbelief. This would be marketed to what age kid,

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Speaker 1: based on your understanding, eight to twelve, eight year old

525
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Speaker 1: kids would be able to read. I second, I have

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Speaker 1: a third grader. This is crazy to me, my trans

527
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Speaker 1: teen misadventure like this would be marketed to an eight

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Speaker 1: year old. Second, a great kid.

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Speaker 6: And what's in it is so Lewde and so obscene

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Speaker 6: that when we pasted one of the pages on a

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Speaker 6: Facebook ad, Facebook community standards band it and shut it

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Speaker 6: down for posting obscenity that violates their community standards.

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Speaker 2: And that's for adults.

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Speaker 4: This is a book for children. And this is.

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Speaker 6: Why I'm on this mission right now to give parents

536
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Speaker 6: and grandparents an opportunity to engage and stop merely complaining

537
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Speaker 6: about the bad stuff and start creating the good paths

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Speaker 6: that we can go down and build a world for

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Speaker 6: our children where they've got hope and a future.

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Speaker 1: And also, this is significant because you're not saying that

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Speaker 1: no one should ever be able to read a book

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Speaker 1: like this. You're just saying second graders shouldn't be exposed

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Speaker 1: to the idea of trans identity.

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Speaker 2: But that's wild. For I mean, I've got a third grader.

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Speaker 1: The idea that we would be teaching kids that young

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Speaker 1: that they are not the gender they think they are

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Speaker 1: is madness. Because kids that young, at that age, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna let them pick their gender.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 4: It is wild. And what we're seeing is where do

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Speaker 4: we want to go with this?

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is a brilliant wedge that will ultimately

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Speaker 6: separate children from their parents. And I think that is

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Speaker 6: one of the main goals when you sexualize children at

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Speaker 6: a young age and you get them to start questioning

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Speaker 6: basic fundamental building blocks of society, like am I a

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Speaker 6: boy or a girl?

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Speaker 4: And I can change that.

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Speaker 6: You are able to then peak their curiosity, take them

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Speaker 6: down a rabbit hole, and get them to trust in

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Speaker 6: communities that don't have their best interest in mind. And

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Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, the parents are the they're

563
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Speaker 6: the archaic people, and they can't be trusted, and they're

564
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Speaker 6: transphobe or their whatever fobe. And pretty soon you've got

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Speaker 6: seven hours a day with these kids all by yourself

566
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Speaker 6: to train them into little marks lemmings to do exactly

567
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Speaker 6: what the state wants them to do. So, look, we

568
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 6: can either wind and complain or we can get in

569
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Speaker 6: the game and start moving the ball in the right direction.

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Speaker 6: That's why I have partnered up with Brave Books. I've

571
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Speaker 6: partnered up with Skytree Bookfairs to replace Scholastic and all

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Speaker 6: of this harmful stuff and get helpful, wholesome books onto

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Speaker 6: the shelves of libraries and public schools and private schools

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Speaker 6: across the country.

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Speaker 2: You know, Kirk I know that you've tried to go

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Speaker 2: to some libraries to read wholesome, uplifting and worthwhile books.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't an era of drag Queen Story Hour

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Speaker 2: and you know some of the trans agenda books and

579
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Speaker 2: things you mentioned that seems to be fine with libraries.

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Speaker 2: But you wanting to read nice, wholesome stuff. That's been

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Speaker 2: a problem sometimes at these libraries.

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Speaker 4: What happened, Oh yeah, this has been going on for

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Speaker 4: the last year.

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Speaker 6: I suppose if I just if I just busted out

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Speaker 6: my fish at Stockings, my mini skirt and heels and

586
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 6: showed up as you know, Kirk Dazzle Glamoroni, I'd have

587
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: been accepted with with open arms. But because I came

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Speaker 6: in and said, hey, how about we sing God bless America,

589
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Speaker 6: recite the Pledge of Allegiance, we thank God for giving

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: us such a special country, and let's read a book

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Speaker 6: about faith, hope and love. It was a hard no

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Speaker 6: in some libraries. Now other libraries were like, come on.

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Speaker 4: We want you to come here. We don't like all

594
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 6: Garbage that we're getting getting shoved down our throats. And

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Speaker 6: when they told me I couldn't come, and I reminded

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Speaker 6: them that this is America, this is called viewpoint discrimination

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Speaker 6: on their on their side, and that I would be

599
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Speaker 6: prepared to exercise my constitutional rights against them for the discrimination.

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Speaker 4: They changed their mind.

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Speaker 6: We showed up and three thousand parents and grandparents were

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Speaker 6: there to welcome us, flooding the library, making it the

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Speaker 6: most attended event in the history of these downtown libraries.

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Speaker 2: In blue cities.

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Speaker 6: So the narrative, the perception is not the reality. Boots

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Speaker 6: on the ground, people in the trenches, moms and dads

607
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: and grandparents want the stuff that leads to their children's

608
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Speaker 6: blessing and protection. And we've just got to not be afraid,

609
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Speaker 6: stand up and get into game. I mean, look what

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk is doing right now. Look how he is

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Speaker 6: championing free speech and telling these people to f off

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Speaker 6: if they want to try to buy his free speech

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Speaker 6: from him with money.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'd use a different lexicon.

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Speaker 6: But we need to have the same attitude of if

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Speaker 6: we trade our freedoms for safety, will end up with

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Speaker 6: neither because the government will come in and they will

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Speaker 6: shut down everything.

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Speaker 4: And they're well underway.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by your path here. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there listening are around mind in Buck's age, and

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Speaker 1: we grew up watching you on Growing Pains nineteen eighties television.

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00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I like to show nineteen eighties movies to my kids.

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Speaker 1: There is a wholesomeness to them that doesn't necessarily seem

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Speaker 1: to exist in our culture today. Would you have ever believed,

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Speaker 1: working in Hollywood making a super popular show that twenty

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Speaker 1: five thirty years after that show you would be going

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Speaker 1: around trying to get people to read wholesome books, or

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Speaker 1: that it would even be necessary.

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Speaker 6: No, never thought I'd be hanging out with two guys

632
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Speaker 6: like Buck and Clay on a radio program like this

633
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Speaker 6: talking about essential values, about first principles in the nation.

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Speaker 6: And in fact, you know, all of this is really

635
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Speaker 6: driven by my love for God and my love for

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Speaker 6: my family, which was really a foreign concept to me,

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Speaker 6: at least on the God stuff when I was on

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Speaker 6: Growing Pains, because I was an atheist at the time

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Speaker 6: and changed.

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Speaker 2: Why did you change? What happened in your life?

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Speaker 4: Well, yea, I can explain it so many different ways.

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Speaker 6: But I met a really cute girl who invited me

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Speaker 6: to church, And not to devolve too far down, just

644
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Speaker 6: to say that I became a Christian for her because

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Speaker 6: I didn't. But what transpired was I believe God himself

646
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Speaker 6: opening my eyes through asking questions, getting great answers, hearing

647
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Speaker 6: the message that really captured my heart my mind and

648
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Speaker 6: went down a road that led me to believe that.

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Speaker 6: It took more faith for me to hang on to

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Speaker 6: my atheism blind faith to believe that God does not

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Speaker 6: exist than it did to believe that all of this

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Speaker 6: came as a result of a powerful, intelligent creator.

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Speaker 4: So that's that was a big shift for me.

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Speaker 6: So the fact that I'm here with you guys talking

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Speaker 6: about this stuff and pushing back the darkness, making inroads

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Speaker 6: for the for the kingdom of light, and establishing what's

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Speaker 6: good and right and beautiful for children.

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Speaker 4: Man, I couldn't be more thankful.

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Speaker 2: And how do you think think you know, how do

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Speaker 2: you think the movement is going Kirk to create more

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Speaker 2: content specifically for children these days? That has to come

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Speaker 2: from more independent creators. You know, we're gonna have Daily

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Speaker 2: Wire guys on and now that's they're making a kind

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Speaker 2: of a mockumentary or you know, a film that's taking

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Speaker 2: on the trans issue that's not necessarily for kids. But

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Speaker 2: I think they've also done some children's books, and I

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Speaker 2: think Matt Walsh did a children's book, and they're trying

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Speaker 2: to create more of this content because you know, it

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Speaker 2: feels like for the for the average American, if you

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Speaker 2: believe in traditional values, if you believe in God, like

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Speaker 2: Disney has abandoned.

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Speaker 4: You ondred percent.

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Speaker 6: But you know, if we could go back and bring

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Speaker 6: Noah Webster back our founding fathers and John Adams and

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Speaker 6: George Washington and all the good guys and ask them

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Speaker 6: what's going the huge I imagine they would say something like,

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Speaker 6: Kirk clay Buck, you never should have depended on Disney

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Speaker 6: in the first place. You shouldn't be hanging your hat

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Speaker 6: on companies organization that are going to keep these values going.

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Speaker 4: This has been entrusted to you as dads, as moms.

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Speaker 4: You've got to teach this stuff to your kids.

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Speaker 6: And at the heart of the whole thing, you have

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Speaker 6: to understand that this thing called freedom is a gift

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Speaker 6: from God, and you've got to protect it, and you've

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Speaker 6: got to nourish it, and you've got to just.

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Speaker 1: Go for it with all of your heart. Kirk, we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate the time. We know how hard you are

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Speaker 1: working If people want to see more of your work,

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Speaker 1: where should they go?

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Speaker 6: Well, you can follow me on my social media platforms,

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Speaker 6: or better yet, go to stop scholastic dot com and

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Speaker 6: see the movements that we are up to this weekend

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Speaker 6: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll break down more on the

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Speaker 1: Gavin newsom Ron DeSantis debate. We'll circle back to that

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Speaker 1: which I know Kirk you watched a little bit of

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Speaker 1: as well. Will also take you into the weekend final hour,

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Speaker 1: have some fun, try to give you a little bit

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Speaker 1: more optimism about everything as we roll you through the

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Speaker 1: Friday edition of the show. Fourteen hours down, fifteenth hour next.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging with us here on Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us as we are rolling

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Speaker 1: through the Friday edition of the program. Remain open phone lines.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls. Eight hundred and two

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Speaker 1: A two two eight A two. In the third hours,

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Speaker 1: we continue to roll on, giving a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a roadmap. Kirk Cameron, formerly of Growing Pains Now and author,

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Speaker 1: children's book author who is often believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this is the world we live in?

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Speaker 1: Protested at his library readings. He's going to join us

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Speaker 1: at the end of this hour, and the next hour

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire.

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Speaker 1: Guys have a new movie out. I have a small

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Speaker 1: part in that movie, ridiculing the idea of men being

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Speaker 1: able to compete as women. I think people are gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. I went and watch the premiere on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of impressed at how solid it was.

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Speaker 2: How did you feel about your acting debuts? Are we

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Speaker 2: going to see more of Clay Travis Thespian I cannot

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Speaker 2: act if I am given the opportunity to play myself.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm decent at it. I'm not good at

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Speaker 1: remembering lines. Gets in my head. I worry about whether

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Speaker 1: I'm standing the right place, saying the right thing. But

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Speaker 1: if you just tell me, like general idea, Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: just go have a you know, two minute conversation here,

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Speaker 1: I think I do. Okay, I seem more natural, if

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Speaker 1: that makes sense, So I think I didn't. I was

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Speaker 1: not awful. I asked my wife. She went to the

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Speaker 1: to the premiere, and I said, hey, what did you

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Speaker 1: think of my performance, not like I'm in I'm like

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Speaker 1: two minutes in the movie, maybe that in an hour

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Speaker 1: and a half. And she said, you actually weren't as

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Speaker 1: awful as I thought you were going to be, which

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Speaker 1: as a married man, I will take as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we can speaking of compliments. Yesterday, if

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Speaker 1: you remember Buck, when I said maybe I said it

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Speaker 1: off air, I can remember if I said it on air.

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Speaker 1: Off air, I know you and I talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Our good buddy Brian Stelter, he of the former.

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Speaker 2: Lad Stealthias of extremely high testosterol levels.

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Speaker 1: Brian Stelter, who had his show canceled on CNN as

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Speaker 1: soon as there was a new leadership group that came in.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's now and I can't believe this is real.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a fellow, maybe you call it a

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Speaker 1: fellow at Harvard who teaches a course on misinformation and disinformation,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that he spread probably more misinformation and

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Speaker 1: disinformation than almost anyone surrounding Russia, collusion and everything else.

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Speaker 1: He went on the View and he told the ladies

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Speaker 1: on the View, you guys are louder than the liars.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the largest collection of dumb people ever on live television.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you missed yesterday. Fox.

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Speaker 7: Though it still is the beating heart of the GOP,

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Speaker 7: I think it's really important to study it for that reason.

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Speaker 7: We have to know how it works and how it

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Speaker 7: sometimes doesn't work, how it goes wrong, because we should

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Speaker 7: all have a kate to have a truthier, healthier environment.

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Speaker 2: That's why I love this, Liar, Liar, I just really

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Speaker 2: want all of you to like me.

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Speaker 1: Please please flood hero buck about how awful Fox News

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Speaker 1: is and nobody bought it.

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Speaker 2: Kind of me on like it's just do better, man,

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Speaker 2: like that. That book's been written by fifteen other libs

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Speaker 2: and all those books sucked. So why why even waste

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Speaker 2: the time?

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Speaker 1: I I mean again, I've got Fox News and I've

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Speaker 1: got CNN on right now, and I spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time obviously on Fox News. I just I don't

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Speaker 1: see this argument that is out there that somehow Fox

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Speaker 1: News is spreading all sorts of awful propaganda when MSNBC

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Speaker 1: and CNN around COVID spread more lies than anybody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why can't we have one Now? People are

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Speaker 2: gonna say, they're gonna bring up, you know, a Newsmax

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Speaker 2: for example, or News Nation or some of the others.

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Speaker 2: They have not been able to, uh have the same

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Speaker 2: kind of carriage. That may have changed recently, but you know,

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Speaker 2: with cable you got to have the cable carriers pick

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Speaker 2: you up. And for twenty plus years now, Fox has

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Speaker 2: been the only conservative cable news network that has basically

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Speaker 2: full spectrum cable coverage. Right, we can't. You can't have

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Speaker 2: one channel that leans right without all the libs whining

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Speaker 2: about it. ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, NPR.

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Speaker 2: They are all Lib dominated run and propaganda outfits, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and they still whine about Fox. Maybe they should just

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Speaker 2: not to think why is Fox News so powerful? Maybe

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Speaker 2: because I forget who originated this quote, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Roger Ayles figured out that there's this niche audience of

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Speaker 2: half the country that may watch this channel.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you've seen some of these protests

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Speaker 1: that have been going on. I was at Fox earlier today.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there again tomorrow morning at the twelve eleven building.

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Speaker 1: All these Palestinian supporters have been rallying outside of Fox

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Speaker 1: News because.

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Speaker 2: They're too supportive of Israel.

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Speaker 1: Think about how crazy that criticism is now Fox News

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Speaker 1: is too supportive of the country that had a massive

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Speaker 1: terror attack perpetrated against it. Fox has stood up against

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Speaker 1: the demonization of Jewish people too much. That's what they're

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Speaker 1: being protested for now. And what you're seeing is and

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you out there are listening

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Speaker 1: to us that maybe you weren't before. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of Jewish people out there and supporters of Israel,

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Speaker 1: may or may not be Jewish, who have said, you know,

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Speaker 1: the media has actually broken and they're seeing it for

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Speaker 1: the first time through the prism of the October seventh

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Speaker 1: terror attack.

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Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes an issue really does come down

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Speaker 2: to right and wrong. I mean, just as clear as day.

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Speaker 2: You know, last night in the DeSantis k Newsom debate,

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Speaker 2: Newsom all nine months of a pregnancy, no exceptions whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: That is the law in California, and there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of abortions still happening in that state and other

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Speaker 2: states too. So there's a fight for life that's underway

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Speaker 2: every day. And we know about all the covers that

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Speaker 2: Planned PARENTI has across the country. The abortion industry is huge.

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Speaker 2: Who is pushing against this to try to save babies' lives.

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Speaker 2: The Preborn Network of clinics, the team at Preborn work

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Speaker 2: hard to provide support to pregnant mothers. They encourage them

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Speaker 2: to choose life for their unborn babies. Then they provide

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Speaker 2: a pathway for two years of support and assistance. Now,

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