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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to F Daily with me

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Speaker 1: your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I am very excited to welcome on today's episode to

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Speaker 1: ok F Daily for the first time, Frankie Miranda, who

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Speaker 1: is the President and CEO of the Hispanic Federation. And

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Speaker 1: you know, why do I think that it's important over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of months, the next painstakingly ten months

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I want to speak with and we'll

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Speaker 1: be bringing you interviews with people from different organizations, communities, generations,

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Speaker 1: I know that you all know as you listen to

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Speaker 1: OKAF on a regular basis, and my hope is that

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Speaker 1: but to also educate those people around you. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what it is that Frankie's organization does, which is

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Speaker 1: educate membership and different organizations in groups about the issues

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Speaker 1: that are facing the LATINX community. In this episode, we

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Speaker 1: discuss Greg Abbott's horrific acts in Texas that cost a

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Speaker 1: mother and her two children their lives. How did that happen? Well,

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Speaker 1: and instead of being aided, right, they were not because

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Speaker 1: would go against the federal government and the Biden administration. What,

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Speaker 1: not against the quote unquote God that you all claim

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Speaker 1: it's just this idea that you can have politicians these

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Speaker 1: unquote shithole countries and those coming from African nations, about

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Speaker 1: It's disgusting and it's vile. So in today's conversation with Frankie,

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Speaker 1: we will talk about what is at stake as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to the LATINX community, the difficulties in bringing together

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Speaker 1: am very happy to welcome TOKF Daily Frankie Miranda, who

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Speaker 1: incredibly important to the continuation of our democracy and an

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Speaker 1: couple of things. First, as folks are hearing this as

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you Danielle for having me

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Speaker 1: Now in this country, you know, and I think that

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Speaker 1: right they don't have to win over the LATINX community.

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Speaker 1: What they have to do is peel away enough people

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question. I think that about the

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Speaker 2: but there is a problem about messaging when it comes

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Speaker 2: done through some efforts by the social media platform to

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Speaker 2: The reality is that for the Republican Party it has

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Speaker 2: the reality is that that message is going to resonate. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: We're talking about real threats right now to democracy and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think that that is incredibly right.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder too, Frankie, when we are listening to

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Speaker 1: Do we need instead of saving democracy? Do we need

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Speaker 1: But do you believe would resonate better if this is

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Speaker 2: We need to and again I'm not giving a pass

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Speaker 2: This has to be resolved at the federal level, and

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Speaker 1: I think about too, justin New York in particular, where

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Speaker 1: I honestly do not know, Frankie. Let me ask you

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Speaker 3: Our LATINX community is not trending as one of the

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Speaker 2: But little by little, we're going to continue peeling away

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Speaker 2: we know that the influx of asilunce seekers presents a

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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, immigrants at trillions

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Speaker 2: If we have figured out how to deal with influx

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Speaker 2: So this is about creative solutions, but real communications among

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Speaker 2: this is unconscionable what is happening. But we need to

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Speaker 1: Frank you, Miranda, thank you so much for making the

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Speaker 1: to join us again soon.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be back, very very soon. Thank you Daniel,

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Speaker 2: and thank you to everybody.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends, on woke

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Speaker 1: ath as always power to the people and to all

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Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fun