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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode two three one. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Brad Rowland, coming to you on a Thursday evening into Friday,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be joined momentarily my good friend Carlos Calaza

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Speaker 1: of Baseball America. Carlos was actually a founding member of

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Speaker 1: this podcast with myself about a decade ago, that's when

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Speaker 1: it was Talking Chop, and he'll be joining me in

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Speaker 1: a moment to discuss the twenty twenty five MLB Draft,

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Speaker 1: win and brag from there. It was not the best

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Speaker 1: week for the Braves. That's been a familiar really theme

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Speaker 1: for a while now. This is a lost season in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it feels like, and lots of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. That has now dropped considerably since that point.

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Speaker 1: Even entering today, it was in the five percent range

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Speaker 1: at Fangrass before the Braves lost again on Thursday to

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Speaker 1: lose the series to the A's Out in Sacramento. As

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Speaker 1: discussed on our most recent upisode on Tuesday evening into Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: it was an embarrassing loss in the opener of that

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Speaker 1: series in Sacramento, a ten to one defeat that Sean Coleman,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Tolbert broke down in detail. That brought the Braves

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Speaker 1: to zero and eleven in the state of California this season,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty unreal. They found one game on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: least a kind of encouraging night in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of things are basically out the window

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Speaker 1: Ron Acuta came back after he was a late scratch

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Speaker 1: of kind of concerning fashion on Tuesday, ended up playing

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Speaker 1: Basically it was a nice sign for him. Also, he

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Speaker 1: Kunya elite swing. It was his fourteenth career multi home

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Speaker 1: still now in line to participate on Monday in the

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Speaker 1: Derby and Tuesday in the All Star Game. I Braves

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Speaker 1: scored four runs in the first inning on Wednesday, in

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Speaker 1: that game in that first inning. It was the first

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Speaker 1: Last year did that five times, so we're well over

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Speaker 1: in comparison, the Braves scored four runs were more on

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Speaker 1: it was also a nice bounce back start for Bryce Elder.

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Speaker 1: We've covered this in detail, but Bryce has had a

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Speaker 1: Lead in the seventh on Ossie Ali's home run, his

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Speaker 1: After the last show we did on our feed, Diddy

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Speaker 2: They call it.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Wiles the Bridge still listening a TVD as a

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Speaker 1: he reported that the Braves quote have not discussed Chris

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Speaker 2: They're volatile. That's possible. You know.

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris obviously having a bad season. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Murphy is very good. If the Braves got like a really,

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Speaker 2: To think about it.

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Speaker 1: You just have to because of the way that Baldwin

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Speaker 1: today's segment we'll be focused on Jerkson Profar, who just

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Speaker 1: I joined now by good friend of the podcast, founding

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Speaker 4: What's up, Brad? How's it going? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Every time I listen to the show, I hear the

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Speaker 2: That's right. But anyway, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: As always, I joked with you offline, I'll say it

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Speaker 5: I actually didn't realize quite how bad the Braves actually were.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like we've had the Braves as kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Can I have to ask you because it's it's not Braves,

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Speaker 2: A division team.

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Speaker 1: The Nationals just fired their front office and on the

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Speaker 5: It's not happened since I've been covering the draft for

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Speaker 4: It came during the Jim Bowden saga. It was a

437
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Speaker 4: little bit earlier.

438
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't a week in front of the draft, so

439
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 5: like there is a little bit of precedent for it.

440
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 5: I know that a lot of people there were some

441
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 5: comments online that I saw. People were like, oh, they

442
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 5: fired him, and I'm hearing the Nationals still haven't even

443
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 5: decided who they're taking.

444
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Speaker 4: That aspect of it.

445
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Speaker 5: The fact that they haven't decided who they're taking is

446
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 5: pretty normal. I don't think even in years where there's

447
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 5: an Adlie Ritchman, for example, where everyone kind of knows

448
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 5: he's the best player and he's most likely to be

449
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 5: the pick, the teams are not having those specific financial

450
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 5: conversations with players until a day two days before the draft.

451
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 5: They really love to wait for the last minute for

452
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 5: all things in baseball. It seems like the same is

453
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Speaker 5: true of the draft. Their scouting department is still intact.

454
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Speaker 5: The people running the show there. Danny Hawes who's previously

455
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Speaker 5: with the Ears and a Diamondbacks, Brad Siolak, who's previously

456
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Speaker 5: with the Orioles. This was kind of a new look

457
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 5: scouting department that started a year ago, and so there's

458
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Speaker 5: a lot of speculation about what this could maybe mean

459
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 5: for their tendencies their preferences. Ultimately, I think the same

460
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 5: pool of players that was in consideration a week ago

461
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 5: are going to be in consideration now. Maybe you slightly

462
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 5: adjust your odds for a certain profile to be more

463
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 5: likely to be the pick.

464
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Speaker 4: For example.

465
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Speaker 5: I this is just purely speculation on my part, but

466
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Speaker 5: I would imagine Eli Willits, who's a really well rounded,

467
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 5: contact oriented shortstop, is maybe more likely to be in

468
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 5: play on a deal, and maybe Seth Hernandez, whos high

469
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 5: school right in a pitcher who has a ton of upside,

470
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Speaker 5: is maybe less likely. And that's purely just based on

471
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Speaker 5: what guys like Danny and Brad have done with other

472
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Speaker 5: orgs in the past. I mean there's a chance that

473
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Speaker 5: that interim GM, I'm gonna plank on his name here,

474
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 5: Interim GM Mike de Bartolo maybe just loves Seth Hernandez

475
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 5: and he kind of pushes for him to be the pick,

476
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Speaker 5: But ultimately I don't think it's going to change too dramatically,

477
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 5: and in the sense of like that move making sense.

478
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 5: If you know that Mike Rizzo is not going to

479
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 5: be the guy leading this organization in the future, it

480
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 5: probably makes sense to not have him make the pick

481
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Speaker 5: if you if you feel like you want to go

482
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 5: in a different direction. But we still think Ethan Holliday

483
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 5: and Kate Anderson ls you left in a picture are

484
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Speaker 5: most likely.

485
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Speaker 4: No one I've talked to has a lot of confidence

486
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Speaker 4: in which one's going to be. Though.

487
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Speaker 1: It's actually interesting, you know, you know, I cover basketball,

488
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: and like the Hawks just moved on from their GM

489
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: at an interesting time, and people were like, why are

490
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Speaker 1: they doing this? And it's it's different different, This is

491
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: more interesting the national situation. But my general take on it,

492
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Speaker 1: you kind of just allude to it, like if you

493
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Speaker 1: don't think this is the guy for you anymore, and

494
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Speaker 1: you kind of decided that you don't want to wait

495
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Speaker 1: any longer, like you want to kind of just pull

496
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Speaker 1: the play on it, even if they don't deserve to

497
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Speaker 1: be fired or like whatever. In the opinion is there

498
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: is kind of a there's some logic there to just say, hey,

499
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Speaker 1: if he's not your guy anymore, just pull the plug.

500
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Speaker 1: And to your point, I mean, it's not like he's

501
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: the only person like in baseball. Is different in the

502
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: basketball in a lot of different ways. But if you

503
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: have your full scouting department and like your guys in

504
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: charge there, like they're probably gonna be driving a lot

505
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: of the ship anyway.

506
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Speaker 5: For the draft, some of the teams are different in

507
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 5: how they operate. Some teams will have the scouting director

508
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: is basically the one making the pick on draft day.

509
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 5: Other teams, the GM is the player is the person

510
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 5: who's making the actual pick. Sometimes it's more collaborative, sometimes

511
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 5: it's just, hey, this is what the model likes. Do

512
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 5: we all agree that the model pick is the right one? Okay,

513
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 5: let's go. I do think them like Rizzo, at least

514
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 5: I have associated him with being a more hands on

515
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 5: GM on the scouting side. He does come from like

516
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 5: an old school scouting background. He's been scouting a lot

517
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 5: of these top players down the stretch. Maybe it's more

518
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 5: normal for every GM when you're picking one to one

519
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 5: to be a little bit more involved.

520
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I do think think that.

521
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Speaker 5: It would be shocking if there was someone who's like

522
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 5: in play now that wasn't a week ago, and it

523
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 5: almost would make less sense if you fired him after

524
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 5: the draft, if you don't think he's running the ship

525
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 5: then before.

526
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Speaker 4: So Yeah, definitely an interesting piece of news to come out.

527
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll get some more clarity on who's actually going

528
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 5: to go one, because I know everyone picking behind the

529
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 5: Nationals is just like throwing their hands up.

530
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: Everyone's been scouting massive pools of players this year.

531
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Speaker 5: We probably say this every year that it's chaotic and

532
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 5: crazy in Baseball's draft, but it really does feel more

533
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: uncertain than maybe any that I've covered because we just

534
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 5: lack the sort of like separating top tier players that

535
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 5: sort of crystallize floors at the top of the draft

536
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 5: and separate out different tiers.

537
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Speaker 4: We don't really have that this year.

538
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 6: Ah Summer, we almost forgot what it feels like to

539
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 6: play just because of them. But even Summer needs back up,

540
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 6: a little partner in the good kind of chaos. Someone

541
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 6: to bring the Kung Fu kicks. Yeah, to train some

542
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 6: dragons fly, young dragon writer fly, the kind of fun

543
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 6: that keeps the days going. It turns living rooms into

544
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 6: playgrounds and reminds us what our bodies and our hearts

545
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 6: were made for play.

546
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Speaker 2: That moves you.

547
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you kind of a big picture

548
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: question about the draft in general. We've covered before, but

549
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: it's you just mentioned like the uncertainty of this class.

550
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of uncertainty always, but there isn't

551
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: the name that everyone knows. So it said, I'm kind

552
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: of the standard for everyone because I don't know a

553
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: lot of guys. But like there's no Paul Schemes in

554
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: this class, Like no one's like a consensus number one

555
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: for sure. And then there's the nature of if you're

556
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: not doubt into this stuff all the time, Like there's

557
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: the bonus pool nature of this, Like there's kind of

558
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: the gaming the draft stuff, like you might take a

559
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: guy that you don't think is your best player because

560
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: he can sign for less, and can you get people

561
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: an idea of like how that contributes to the uncertainty

562
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: even as low as dows you know, the play the

563
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: brace pick at twenty two is their first pick, Like

564
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: they might get somebody that they have no business getting

565
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: at twenty two because he might be tough to sign.

566
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: Like there's that kind of nature of this whole thing

567
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: that's very difficult.

568
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Baseball's slotting system is a soft slotting system

569
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 5: compared to the NBA and NFL, where it's hard slotting

570
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 5: where your bonus is determined by the pick, and Baseball

571
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: it's really complicated. We have more on our side if

572
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: you want to know, like the full details, but basically,

573
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: every pick comes with a slot value that is the

574
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 5: MLB's assigned value for that pick. Teams don't have to

575
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 5: give you that full amount. They can give you more,

576
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 5: but you take the total of all your picks that

577
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 5: have slot values, and that creates your bonus pool. That's

578
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 5: how much you're allowed to spend on your entire draft class.

579
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 5: If you go over that, various penalties start to come

580
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 5: into play. But basically teams are able to use that

581
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 5: money as creatively or as straight up as they want to.

582
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 5: You could take players and say hey, we're going to

583
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: give you slot value at this pick, and then do

584
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: that all the way down through the first ten rounds.

585
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: Most teams don't do that, And if you actually.

586
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 5: Look at the slot values this year, the first three

587
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 5: picks come with slot values nine point five million dollars

588
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 5: or higher.

589
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 4: One one is just over eleven million.

590
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 5: The signing bonus record in the draft is nine point

591
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 5: twenty five million, so the assumption is even if that

592
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 5: gets broken, the teams at the very top are going

593
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: to be creating huge savings with their values, just given

594
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 5: how the industry views the talent at the top this year,

595
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 5: the Braves picking at twenty two, for example, they've been

596
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: a team in the past who goes.

597
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: Underslot with their first pick. A lot.

598
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 5: They're picking in a range where maybe there's a huge

599
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: tier of players they view as roughly similar on talent,

600
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 5: there's some guys they like a little bit more than

601
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: the consensus. They can also create some savings and then

602
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 5: push that money to other players later down the board.

603
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 5: You mentioned the Braves maybe not having the greatest success

604
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 5: at the top of the draft. I think they have

605
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 5: been able to pick up a few interesting players later

606
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: on because of that underslot strategy. So it is a

607
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 5: little bit more complex. Maybe it allows some more creativity

608
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: that other teams have in the sense of pick trading

609
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 5: that Baseball doesn't have. You can trade supplemental picks, but

610
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 5: other picks you're not able to trade. So it is

611
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 5: very common to see teams doing underslot deals. Or overslot

612
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: deals for like pricey high school players with leverage.

613
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Later, Yeah, you mentioned the slot buys for the top picks,

614
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: like the Braves entire or I think bonuspool.

615
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Was like just over nine million.

616
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the whole draft, and so the topics are

617
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: even that's more than just than the Brakes.

618
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: If it's the Nationals, Angels and Mariners gave just straight

619
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 5: up slot value deals, all of those players would be

620
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: getting more money than the Braves are going to be

621
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 5: handing out. This year's the entire draft class, So it's

622
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 5: a pretty aggressive dissent in terms of the slot. But

623
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: he's like one one is eleven million, and then the

624
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: last pick in the first round twenty seven this year

625
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 5: to the Guardians is three point three million.

626
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: If that gives you an idea of like how quickly

627
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: it falls off.

628
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: It's a it's a big falloff in and it's one

629
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: of those things where I know that it's gonna seem

630
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: weird to brace parents who are parashooting in this week

631
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: that they're picking so low because they're so bad that

632
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: that's this is all that's all for next year. The

633
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: lottery stuff is for next year. So the race of

634
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: three picks on day one. It's twenty two, sixty and

635
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: ninety six. The draft beckins Sunday. If people don't know

636
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: that Sunday in Atlanta, I know you will be on

637
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the seat. Are you on TV again? I've got to

638
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: ask you about you do a TV.

639
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm coming down to Atlanta and I'm going to

640
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: be on the draft and Brad's not even going to

641
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 5: be there.

642
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: I can't even say to them.

643
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Speaker 1: So I know, man, listen, basketball waits for no one

644
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: but the territory gals will be there.

645
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: People should be visiting with the though territory guys. Uh

646
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: in the battery.

647
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, so three picks in the on day one

648
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: and then because of free for all after that. But

649
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about it a little bit earlier,

650
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: but I want to just give the number because I

651
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: pulled it. The Braves have picked a pitcher in the

652
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: first round six consecutive years.

653
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: I think that's the most of any team.

654
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: And they've also gone this is actually crazier in some ways.

655
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Speaker 1: They've also picked their top three picks on pitchers in

656
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: four straight drafts. Yep, so like they I mean, we

657
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: talked about how pitching heavy they are that's that's six

658
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: in a row, and then their last twelve top three

659
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: picks have been pitchers.

660
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: Right.

661
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: It's funny too, because like all of these years they've

662
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 5: they've come into those drafts with farm systems that I've

663
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 5: viewed as pretty strong on pitching, and they just they

664
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 5: just keep reloading. And maybe a lot of that is

665
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: just because their their young homegrown offensive corps was just

666
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 5: so locked in and so stable, maybe one of the

667
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: most stable lineups, and baseballer like, hey, like we have

668
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: the hitters, there's not gonna be a ton of turnover here.

669
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: Maybe now we're seeing that some of that turnover is

670
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 5: going to start to happen. There's some more holes that

671
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: are being created that that you don't have obvious replacements for.

672
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do think that there is probably in

673
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: this it'll be even a tougher cell this year. But

674
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: there's probably a little bit of a disconnect between fans

675
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: that are like, hey, we don't have a we don't

676
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: have a player at this position. We have to draft

677
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: this player at this position. It's not really how the

678
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: baseball draft works because the guys were even the guys

679
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: who are college hitters or college pitchers are still so

680
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: far away that you're not going to do that, nor

681
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: can you let cross stuff off.

682
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: So I think maybe, uh.

683
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a dissonance there as

684
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: far as how this all goes. But also it is

685
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: a tough sell to even even to me, like just

686
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: just as an informed fan in this way, like you know,

687
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: when all if you're a pitching heavy system and everyone

688
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: agrees on that you just said it and all the

689
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: other everyone's all right.

690
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: This, Yeah, it's very natural to want to get a

691
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: hitter in the draft to get excited about and say, hey,

692
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: this can maybe help balance things out, like we don't

693
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 5: have a lot of hitters to point too, so that

694
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 5: that makes perfect sense to me, even if you know,

695
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: like a best player available is the strategy, and if

696
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 5: for six straight years you legitimately have done best player

697
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: available and just happen to be pictures, so be it.

698
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: But I can understand the like desire to see a

699
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: different profile.

700
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Well, And also I have a hard time, and I

701
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'm wrong, correct me. I have a

702
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: hard time believing that they really think the best player

703
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: available six straight years was a picture. And again the

704
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: top three picks the last four years were all pictures, Like,

705
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: that's got to be a strategic schematic something that they're

706
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: trying to just add through. Maybe they think it's easier

707
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: to draft pictures that acquire hitters another way or whatever.

708
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have any like idea on the

709
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I know you're on the outside of this stuff, but like,

710
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: do you have any intel, like you thought as to

711
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: why they might do that, like you even strategically, whether you.

712
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: Agree or not.

713
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think that there could be a pretty

714
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 5: decent counter so that in the sense that, like, there

715
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: are a lot of teams whose strategies is very much

716
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 5: we are going to take hitters at the top, and

717
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: we're going to get our pictures later because we've found

718
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: that later in the draft it is a lot easier

719
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 5: to find kind of diamonds in the rough on the

720
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: pitching side, there's a lot of things we can do

721
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 5: on pitching development that we can't do with hitters. So

722
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: we're going to take the elite hitters at the very

723
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: top before they all disappear, and there's plenty of wild

724
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: card pitching options later. So many teams do that now

725
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: that I think you can make a pretty compelling case

726
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: for a team like the Braves to say, hey, all

727
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: these teams are jumping on hitters we have further down

728
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 5: the board higher because they just don't want to take

729
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: pictures early on. That's fine, that's pushing down talented pitchers

730
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: to us. Cam Caminitti, I think people overstate the degree

731
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: to which he was a steal for the Braves last

732
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: year because he was mocked so frequently in front of

733
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 5: the Braves, But we had him on our rankings, which

734
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: is much more of a like this is how the

735
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: players line up on talent right where they were picking.

736
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: But if you're one of the few teams willing to

737
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: take these upside high school pitchers, and again there are

738
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: some teams who are just they will not take a

739
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: high school pitcher in the first round because they don't

740
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: think the risk is worth it, no matter.

741
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: Really well who that high school pitcher is.

742
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 5: So if you're a team like the Braves and you

743
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: are more tolerant of taking on risk, and given some

744
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: of the pitchers they've taken who have had injury concerns,

745
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 5: they definitely feel like one of the more risk tolerant

746
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 5: teams in the industry. Like it's only teams like the

747
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: Padres and maybe the Dodgers that I would say are

748
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 5: very clearly more willing to take on risk. That's going

749
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: to naturally push down those sort of pitching profiles to

750
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: you when you're picking at the back of the draft.

751
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: When you're picking at the top, it would be a

752
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 5: lot harder to say, Okay, there are no hitters around

753
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: here in typical drafts. So yeah, I think there are

754
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: a number of different arguments you could make on that side.

755
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 5: And it's it's kind of interesting just given how allergic

756
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 5: some teams seem to be to pitching with their first

757
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 5: pick and high school pitching just period this high So.

758
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I know part of your a small part of your

759
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: job is to have you have to do mock drafts

760
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: and things.

761
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: That's how that's how this works.

762
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: Just dropped another one this morning.

763
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: I had not seen it yet, so I'm glad. I'm

764
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: glad you said that.

765
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give everything that you've written already,

766
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: but I know at least a couple of the bocks

767
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: i've seen have.

768
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Pictures to the braves.

769
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, at twenty two.

770
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Is that because you think that they're more likely to

771
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: drive the picture? Have you heard anything to that degree

772
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be a stup stare here. It's hard

773
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: to do, especially at twenty two. Like you don't know

774
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be available obviously, But is that something that

775
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: you assume is gonna happen in the future because you've

776
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: seen it happen in the past, that they might favorite

777
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: pitching more than hitting.

778
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: Still, Yeah, sometimes I wonder, like does everyone in the

779
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: industry get too locked into what has previously happened and

780
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: just assumed those similar profiles are coming again. And I've

781
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 5: thought that for several years now for the Braves, and

782
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: it just keeps happening, So there clearly is some truth

783
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: to it. Like gage Wood is a name we've had

784
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: mocked him frequently. I think on talent he belongs here

785
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: or higher. He does have some medical questions, which again

786
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: what we've just been talking about with the.

787
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: Braves, like that fits.

788
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: He has a fastball shape that seems to be a

789
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 5: sort of ideal fastball shape that the Braves are really coveted.

790
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: With some of their other picks.

791
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: I've also heard them tied to a guy and Anthony

792
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: Irons and who maybe will be the second LSU pitcher

793
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: who goes in the first round. Names like Patrick Forbes, Kruse,

794
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: Schoolcraft could make a lot of sense because they're similar

795
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 5: profiles to what the Braves have targeted in the past,

796
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 5: So they are once you get into the twenties, late teens, twenties,

797
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 5: there are not a.

798
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: Lot of obvious pitchers that fit there.

799
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 5: I think gage Wood and Cruz school Craft are the

800
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 5: two that fit most comfortably on talent alone, and a

801
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: lot of people just seem to associate them with pitching

802
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 5: even still, so I think there is something to it.

803
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 5: We've also heard them link to a couple high school shortstops.

804
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: Josh Hammond and then Ryan Mitchell in particular, are two

805
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: names I would keep in mind for the Braves at

806
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: twenty two. A lot of these names are players who

807
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: I assume they would be on deals.

808
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: They don't feel.

809
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 5: For a lot of them, iinsen Ryan Mitchell, maybe even Hammond,

810
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: maybe a guy like Zach Root. It feels like their

811
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: market starts more in the comp round. So my assumption

812
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 5: would be if any of those players go to the Braves,

813
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: it would be on a deal for them to maybe

814
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: save some money for an overslot play later.

815
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 4: So those are some of the.

816
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 5: Names, and yeah, they are kind of in between. This

817
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 5: is actually an interesting part of the draft this year.

818
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 5: They're in between this hyper analytical, model driven group from

819
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty one Red Sox, Twins, Cubs, Dbacks, Orioles, Brewers, Astros,

820
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 5: all those teams really have been tied to the same

821
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 5: sort of hitting profiles. Maybe Astros and Brewers a little

822
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 5: more like boombust offensive profiles than the others, Brewers Orioles,

823
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: I should say. And then after the Braves you have

824
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: much more like old school scoalty, high high upside athletic preps.

825
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: Are the teams mentioned to the Royals, the Tigers, the Padres,

826
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 5: the Phillies, and then Guardians more model, and then Royals

827
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: again at twenty eight. So it does feel like they

828
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: are kind of this like dividing line between vastly different

829
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: philosophical ideas about what you should be.

830
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: Doing in the draft.

831
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 5: And I think in some ways the Braves have kind

832
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 5: of like walked along that line themselves, because most of

833
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 5: the analytical teams are not on high school pitchers or

834
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 5: pitching in the first round. But the Braids are obviously

835
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 5: more model oriented than they were under Brian Bridges a

836
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: while ago. For instance, Who's picking right behind them at

837
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 5: twenty three as this guy director for the Royal So

838
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: I think they're in like just a fun spot in

839
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 5: the draft to be honest.

840
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask, like what kind of I mean,

841
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: it feels to me that they're in the middle of

842
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: those two camps generally speaking that get us from the outside,

843
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: but like not they're not super analytical compared to some organizations.

844
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: There was a I don't know, I don't know if

845
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: you would have seen this.

846
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: There was like a somebody did like a study of

847
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: like how many people in every organization are like listed.

848
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: And analytical roles.

849
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 7: I did see that the Braves are way lower, way

850
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 7: lower effected. Yeah, it's hard for me to buy into that,

851
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 7: like one hundred percent, because I think teams try and

852
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 7: hide those numbers.

853
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: Like I was going together our directory.

854
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, we put together a directory each year. We're basically

855
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 5: just trying to get like the front office, the names

856
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 5: who's working for your team, just so people are aware

857
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 5: of it. It's something we've been doing since before I've

858
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 5: been here, and in the last few years it has

859
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 5: been a pain for the people creating that book because

860
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 5: teams are so cagy, like everything is a competitive advantage

861
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: even the number of people you have working in a

862
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: certain area. You don't want to give that away and

863
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 5: tip anything. So in my head, I think of the

864
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: Braves as more of an analytical model team than like

865
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 5: an old school scouting team now, but I do think

866
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 5: they have a solid blend. I don't think it's like

867
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 5: I don't think they're the hypermodel astros of like the

868
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 5: late teens.

869
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I h without giving too much away, I know

870
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: I know someone who works in a analytical role and

871
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: is not in a job that would say.

872
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: That, right, I think I think that's massively common throughout

873
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: the industry, to be honest.

874
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: That's where I'll leave it.

875
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's one of those it's interesting and I

876
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: thought I saw that study that I was like, I

877
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: get it, But I think that's not it's a little

878
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: bit missling Braves.

879
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot of noise there. But also I appreciate

880
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 5: the effort of trying to tut that down because it's interesting, so.

881
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Probably helps people on the outside. You give a couple

882
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: of names, and I won't have you list one hundred guys,

883
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: but I will always ask you this, are there, who

884
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: are your guys? Who do you really like that are

885
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: not the top five guys in the draft or whatever. Like,

886
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: I know you have a couple of guys that you're

887
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: in love with you always do you have to, but

888
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: do you have your guy even if they're not braves targets?

889
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Like who are your favorites as far as like guys

890
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: you've circled?

891
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if I have to push, you can draw

892
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: the line from me wherever you want.

893
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: Where on our start?

894
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 5: Should I where on the board? Should I avoid top five,

895
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: top ten?

896
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: Top Yeah?

897
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, don't give me the top five guys

898
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: once there's someone that you think is just like in

899
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: Credit and Whist, there's something you just like one hundred

900
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: percent sold on, which you can't possibly one hundred percent

901
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: sold on anybody.

902
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: Right, I can answer, But like Seth turn Inez is

903
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 5: would be my one one pick.

904
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: Okay, he's just my favorite guy in the class.

905
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: It's super risky profile, but I think he's got the

906
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 5: most upside in the class. Then I'll move on from

907
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 5: the top guys. Well, one player that I've consinsddenly come

908
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 5: back to and really liked and I've really enjoyed watching

909
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 5: his ascent up the board is Jojo Parker. Who's a

910
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 5: high school shots up out of Mississi Be. I tried

911
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 5: to get him in all three of the staff drafts

912
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 5: we did, which is where we just get a lot

913
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: of BA writers to make picks based on who we

914
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: would take personally. I couldn't get him in the final one,

915
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: and it really upset me. He went like top ten.

916
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 5: I think he's got a chance to go top ten

917
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: on draft day. I think they're in this class in particular.

918
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 5: To get with the hitters, you often have to sacrifice

919
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 5: a lot of hit tool confidence if you want to

920
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: get any sort of impact at all, and I think

921
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 5: Jojo Parker has one of the more balanced hit power

922
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: combinations in the class, with a hit tool that I

923
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: still feel pretty good about, and I assume that's why

924
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 5: he's moving out the board.

925
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: He's also really athletic.

926
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: Tyler Bremner at UC Santa Barbara is a right handed

927
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: pitcher who entered the year for US as like SP

928
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 5: two maybe not connect with Jamie Arnold. He had a

929
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: slow start to the year but really finished strong, and

930
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: I think even in his downstarts, performance wise, the stuff

931
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 5: was just as good as it's always been. I think

932
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 5: he is one of the most safe college starter pitching

933
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 5: profiles like, he just checks the boxes. He throws, he's

934
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 5: got an elite change up, he throws strikes, he's got

935
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 5: a high spin slider, and he really started putting things

936
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: together down the stretch. So like halfway through the year,

937
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 5: people were talking about him maybe slipping into the twenties.

938
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: I was always kind of surprised, and it sounds like

939
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 5: he's going to go a lot sooner than that on

940
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 5: Draft Day.

941
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: So he's a name that I really like.

942
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 5: Maybe a couple other guys here kind of a little

943
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 5: bit closer to Braves territory. I don't think he's going

944
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: to be available here, but over the last few days,

945
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 5: Meyrick Houston, the shortstop at wake Forest, is a player

946
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 5: who it sounds like he could.

947
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: Get a little bit closer to the Braves.

948
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: I've not heard him associated with Atlanta in particular, but

949
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 5: I do just like his profile in general. Again, another

950
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: fairly safe profile in this class. He's one of the

951
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 5: best defenders, maybe a seventy grade defender at shortstop. He's

952
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: super reliable, athletic, fast, He's always been this really high

953
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: contact sort of bat with wake Forest, and then this

954
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: year he started luck a little bit more power. I

955
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 5: think there are some nitpicks you could still poke with

956
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: him in terms of like really granular offensive question marks,

957
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 5: but I do like the just general trajectory of him.

958
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 5: I think there are some shades of Jeremy Pania with

959
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 5: the Astros with Mary Houston. If you think that's the

960
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 5: player you're getting, that's a pretty good player. So if

961
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: he comes in to play at all for the Braves,

962
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 5: just would like wanting to see some more hitters in

963
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 5: that system.

964
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: That would be a fun one for me.

965
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 5: And then maybe one more because this is the profile

966
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: I typically really find myself liking. But high school shortstop,

967
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 5: I guess I have mentioned Jojo Parker, another high school

968
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 5: short stop. I really like this case in Cunningham, who

969
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 5: is like the Kevin McGonagall sort of profile this year.

970
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: If you guys are prospect junkies and are familiar with McGonagall,

971
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: like a smaller, left handed hitting high school shortstop who's

972
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: a risk to move to second base and doesn't have

973
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: the greatest speed or like fielding ability, but his hit

974
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 5: tool might be the very best in the class. It's

975
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: just a super compact swing. I think we have two

976
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 5: plus hit till grades in this class. One of those

977
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 5: is Caseon Cunningham, and he's the if I had to

978
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 5: point and say, okay, you have to pick the best

979
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 5: puerire hitter in the class, Caseon Cunningham would be the

980
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 5: player I picked. And it sounds like he also has

981
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: a chance to slip into the twenties, which I don't

982
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: think should happen. Yeah, but it sounds like it could. Again,

983
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 5: it doesn't feel like a Braves picked to me. But

984
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: if I was a Braves fan he was on the

985
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: board and they did wind up taking him, I'd be

986
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: pretty excited about that.

987
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: Bat.

988
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always go through and look at like guys

989
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: that have local ties because the Braves do like to

990
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: not always, but they do try to pick.

991
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: Some guys close to home.

992
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not early, but like I was just certain

993
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: these are I don't know nothing about these guys, but

994
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: like I saw names like Dax Kilby is a guy

995
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: short stop from noon In Like that.

996
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: Was Austin, Georgia Milt High School.

997
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: That's not not not far in the suburbs out uh,

998
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: not not super close, but not far within an hour

999
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: of Truest.

1000
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 4: So he would definitely be in there in their range.

1001
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: Maybe he'll go before.

1002
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 5: But that's probably the most exciting local guy that I

1003
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 5: can think of.

1004
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: But you have throw any more at me.

1005
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: If you saw on I mean your college guys from

1006
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech and Georgia, I thought there were there were

1007
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: three or four that are like in the top hundred

1008
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, that's a name that I

1009
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: might keep an eye on.

1010
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1011
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm just thrown out stuff at this point in time

1012
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's hard to talk about. I know

1013
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: that for everybody. Oh one more thing, do you have

1014
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: a like a favorite like guy down the board? Because

1015
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I know you're like a sicko when you have to

1016
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you have to have a five third. How many guys

1017
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: have you like actually scouted?

1018
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: Is it like a thousand? Are?

1019
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: So we have a database each year that has like

1020
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: our whole list of names that we've been considering for

1021
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: like a year plus in the process, and we've got

1022
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 5: just under twelve hundred names and we're gonna have five

1023
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: hundred full.

1024
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: We're actually today.

1025
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: I think after I get off with you, we'll be

1026
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: like putting the finishing touches on the last few updated

1027
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: reports to get our board updated to get our tool

1028
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 5: grades updated. So yeah, there have been a lot, and honestly,

1029
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: at a certain point they all start to blend together.

1030
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: There are only so many ways you can write up

1031
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: like a projection skinny high school right handed pitcher. Yeah,

1032
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 5: further down the board, guys, I like one player who's

1033
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: gotten some buzz Recently's Cooper Fleming, who's a high school

1034
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: shortstop out of California. I just think he's a really

1035
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 5: well rounded player hits defense, not the super not like

1036
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 5: the tools. He has the fastest, the most power, but

1037
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 5: he has a rejectable frame. See if there's another guy

1038
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 5: who I'm like, really really jazzed up about here. Landon

1039
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: Harmon is one I go to a lot. He's kind

1040
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: of in the We have him at sixty five on

1041
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: our board, so like second third round range on talent

1042
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: Mississippi high school right hander, six foot five, one hundred

1043
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 5: ninety pounds, like ideal pitches frame. He has some of

1044
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: the most exciting arm speed that I've seen for a

1045
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: high school pitcher in this class and really probably in

1046
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 5: recent memory. He gets to ninety eight like he's playing catch.

1047
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 5: It's kind of insane. So he would be like a

1048
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: high upside pitching prospect that maybe a little brisky, need

1049
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 5: some polish, needs to refine the secondaries, a bit, needs

1050
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 5: to refine the control. But his upside like if he

1051
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 5: had a really strong spring this year, it wouldn't have

1052
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 5: been shocking at all to be talking about him in

1053
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: the first round, and it just wasn't quite as consistent

1054
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 5: maybe as teams wanted.

1055
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: But I really like him as well.

1056
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: Sounds about right to me. I can't I cannot interrogate that.

1057
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: But no, I as someone who covers the NBA draft

1058
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: not as seriously as you do the baseball draft, but

1059
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: I do a lot of draft stuff.

1060
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: You like it.

1061
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: You're you're the NBA draft expert in my mind.

1062
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: But you got to know like one hundred guys, I

1063
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: would say, not not twelve.

1064
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Hundred this year.

1065
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a little nervous this year because we're going

1066
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 5: We're doing rounds one through three on the first night

1067
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 5: for the first time, so that just adds a whole

1068
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: extra round where seems like the padreser Rangers can take

1069
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: some hideout guy that I've never heard of and make

1070
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: me look like a fool. So fingers crossed that doesn't happen. Yeah,

1071
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: you got five hundreds, so.

1072
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: I guess they keep your iPad handy if you need

1073
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: to start balance some stuff out. And now we go

1074
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: to Carlos to talk about said player, and you're like

1075
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: you're in the headlights.

1076
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: Like it's Seping Carter flashbacks all over again.

1077
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: Listen, if that happens to you on TV on Sunday,

1078
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: I want you to text me after and say, hey,

1079
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: this player had no clue. Don't stay it on the air.

1080
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: You'll be able to fake it. You'll be just fine.

1081
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: But I want to know about it behind the scenes.

1082
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: If that happens, for sure, I'll let you know.

1083
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: Brad, thank you for the time. I won't keep you

1084
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: any longer. People should be watching you on TV, so

1085
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: plug any of that stuff. And also, Baseball America give

1086
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: your whole spiel because Baseball America is worth any anybody

1087
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, this far in should be subscribed.

1088
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: To Baseball America. It's just what it is.

1089
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like this community is pretty plugged into

1090
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: BA in general. We get a lot of support from

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Speaker 5: praise fans at PA, so I appreciate that. I love

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Speaker 5: how passionate you guys are about just the system and

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Speaker 5: prospects in general. But everything that I'm doing can be

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Speaker 5: found at Baseball America dot com. That's all plugged, Like

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Speaker 5: there's there's so much stuff, even more than the draft

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Speaker 5: that we're doing.

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Speaker 4: We've got our updated top thirty.

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Speaker 5: So if you're not even super into the draft, but

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Speaker 5: you really want to know like all these players who

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Speaker 5: maybe be coming back up at the trade deadline, just

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Speaker 5: those updated lists are invaluable for me, Like I haven't

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Speaker 5: been plugged in to that that pro side of the

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Speaker 5: game in the last few months, So when those traits happen,

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Speaker 5: I'll be looking at our updated rankings to see what

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Speaker 5: our pro guys have been doing. And then yeah, on

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Speaker 5: the on the actual draft itself, I'll be on MLB Networks.

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Speaker 5: They'll be televising the first three rounds. So if you

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Speaker 5: want to see me talk about some players on the

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Speaker 5: draft with Dano Daoud and Jim Kallis and Lance Brastowski,

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Speaker 5: then it's gonna be fun. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: But thank you guys for just supporting BA in general.

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Speaker 5: If you do, and if if this combo is interesting

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Speaker 5: to you, maybe check out BA.

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Speaker 4: If you have not, yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Should be doing that. For sure.

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Speaker 1: I rely on people that are smarter than me because

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about anything really, but especially non

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Speaker 1: major league baseball. Carlos Thick, you're doing this, man, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it as always. I'm sure you dread the text

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Speaker 1: that that I send you around this time of year.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I actually love it.

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Speaker 5: It's a nice, good annual tradition. One of the few

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Speaker 5: people that I'll clear my calendar for it to make

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Speaker 5: sure I get on this pod because there are a

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Speaker 5: lot of people that at this stage I have to

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Speaker 5: be like, I don't really have time.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Yeah, and you've read anytime.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that. I will not take advantage

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Speaker 1: of it, but thank you for doing this, my friend.

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Speaker 1: People should be check out Basball America one more time,

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Speaker 1: watch call us on TV, subscribe to this podcast

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Speaker 2: The Hammer Territory, and we'll see everybody next time.