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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: This is the almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: We are here with some incredible guests, some incredible talents

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Speaker 3: and people you may know. Joe and Serena, Susan and Kathy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Holiday episode of the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yay, We're so happy to be Yes, we're back.

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Speaker 5: We told you we want you.

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Speaker 2: Joe and Serena. We're happy to see you too.

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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, where are you.

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Speaker 2: They're in New York.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're in my parents' backyard in Marca right now.

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Speaker 5: Oh goodness, out of Canada. I heard the flight was canceled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a whole I will say that Marco

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Speaker 3: for the holidays is not a bad idea. It's nice

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Speaker 3: and warm and always comforting.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We're doing a holiday episode today. We're sipping Kim Crawford wine.

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Speaker 3: We're enjoying our time together. Obviously, Joe and Serena are

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Speaker 3: celebrating with their family. We're celebrating here as a family.

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Speaker 4: We're family.

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Speaker 3: We're family at this point. I mean, we've obviously been

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Speaker 3: around each other for some great memories. Now, Kathy season,

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Speaker 3: we've done quite a few, quite a few things together.

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Speaker 5: What'd you get me? Yeah, I get a gift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a big hug at the end of this. All right,

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Speaker 3: I have some questions and I'm going to go in order.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go in clockwise fashion here. Just to

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Speaker 3: keep this easy, Kathy, what is your favorite holiday tradition?

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Speaker 4: You know that's easy for me. I am a big

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Speaker 4: needle pointer, believe it or not, and so every year

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Speaker 4: I love my family to come over and we decorate

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Speaker 4: the tree with all my homemade needle point ornaments.

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Speaker 3: So talk about needle pointing. Tell me more about what

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Speaker 3: that actually is.

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Speaker 4: So needle pointing is a very time intensive with threads

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Speaker 4: and needles and very small care. This with lots of

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Speaker 4: small holes in it, and you have to really pay attention.

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Speaker 4: And that's when I really focus making my ornaments. It

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Speaker 4: takes a lot of time, but it's beautiful colors of

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Speaker 4: have like sixty homemade ornaments.

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Speaker 3: Okay, a couple follow up questions here for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're now teaching your kids yep? And what two grandkids?

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Speaker 4: Uh huh?

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Speaker 2: When did you start teaching them?

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to get my five year old granddaughter

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Speaker 4: to start. She's a little young yet my sixty month old,

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Speaker 4: you know, would rather eat it than so. But it's

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Speaker 4: one of those things that when they're old enough, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to teach them. Because my kids come over, my

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Speaker 4: grown kids, and they look at the ornaments and they say, Mom,

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Speaker 4: I remember the year you made that bird or that

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Speaker 4: sled or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: They remember, and what age were you when you started

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Speaker 2: doing this.

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Speaker 4: I was thirty five pregnant with my last child, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I needed something to calm me down, and so

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Speaker 4: I took a needle point You.

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Speaker 3: Know, I am expecting a child now in two months,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make you an ornament.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I'm thinking I'm gonna start needle pointing. That

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you that's the least. That's what you

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Speaker 4: should start doing. Try and breathe slowly.

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Speaker 3: I don't do a lot right now. My role is

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Speaker 3: very limited now, Susan. Obviously we know you for how

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Speaker 5: It's just going to say they all come over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's I want to hear. It's a two

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Speaker 3: kind of my question is what vibe do you expect

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Speaker 3: then what is your favorite like food to serve during

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Speaker 3: that dinner.

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Speaker 7: We start with Thanksgiving, Okay, it's like a traditional thing,

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Speaker 7: like Christmas better because you can come in your jommies.

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Speaker 7: Nobody has to get dressed up for Christmas. And I

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Speaker 7: start cooking months before and I freeze the meatballs, the gravy. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: making the pasta of course fresh, and the ham and so.

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Speaker 3: You make the own sauce like when you and do

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Speaker 3: you do the shells?

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Speaker 7: Sometimes we do.

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Speaker 3: So I go to the Italian dinner with my wife

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Speaker 3: it's like a four course dinner and it's wildly awesome.

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Speaker 7: And does she have the salad last? Yes, that is

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Speaker 7: true Italian. We eat the pasta first and then the meats,

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm in a foreign country right now.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what you're talking about, either one

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's uh, Kathy, this is a good point

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Speaker 3: is one hundred percent Italian. I went to there the

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Speaker 3: holiday dinner with them. It was awesome, but it was

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Speaker 3: unlike anything I've ever experienced because the whole family gets together.

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Speaker 3: It is coursed out. So you have the the susan.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to help me out here. So the meats,

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Speaker 3: what do you call that?

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Speaker 2: But what is that called? That's called no, when it's

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Speaker 4: Good anti pasta.

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Speaker 8: And got it?

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Speaker 2: Not even Italian?

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Speaker 3: Kathy, welcome, So there is okay, So we have a

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Speaker 3: couple of Italians on the podcast right now. Walk me

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Speaker 3: through the different stages of the dinner that LEAs.

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Speaker 5: Start with the soup.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I say thettle soup, but it's escarol soup with

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Speaker 7: the little tiny meatballs and the escarl and chicken soup

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Speaker 2: Start, and then what's next?

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Speaker 5: And then we.

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Speaker 7: Start with our pasta and our meat balls and our sausage, and.

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Speaker 2: Well, when's the antipasta come?

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Speaker 5: That's on the table the entire time.

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Speaker 2: Ye see, there's a whole different course. It's already there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wait is this for Christmas Day?

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Speaker 5: It's for every.

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Speaker 2: For every Sunday.

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Speaker 3: It's literally every Sunday the year exhausted, it's wild, all right,

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna go to Joe. Now, Joe, you're probably

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Speaker 3: hearing all this relating to the Italian dinner, right.

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Speaker 8: A fellow Italian.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it sounds familiar than Joe.

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Speaker 2: Joe, are you still doing this every Sunday with your family?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 9: No, but Christmas Christmas Eve is the Italian dinner, and

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Speaker 9: that's with all the fish. We don't do the seven fishes,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry for those of us who are not Italian.

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Speaker 5: The seven?

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Speaker 4: Why seven fishes?

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Speaker 5: Why not five?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 5: Something to do?

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Speaker 2: Was biblical?

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Speaker 8: I think it's a Catholic. I think it's a Catholic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the seventh like it's the loads of bread

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Speaker 3: and the fish that Jesus did, the servant, whole thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's a very like traditional like there's a

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Speaker 3: reason behind it. So Joe, you're I know you're a

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Speaker 3: massive fan of the Bachelor and Bachelorette. You can't get

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Speaker 3: enough of it. And so I thought of this question

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Speaker 3: that you would have for your holiday dinner that you

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 8: Baked clams?

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Speaker 2: Why tell me more?

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Speaker 6: I've never eaten bake clams at one of your family functions.

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Speaker 9: But hey, grant that you've never been to Christmas Eve

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Speaker 9: because you got COVID.

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Speaker 6: I was like, really, really.

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Speaker 8: You were really sick. But to me, baked clams. Did

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Speaker 8: you have baked clams when you were I always had clams,

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Speaker 8: Bay clams.

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Speaker 9: That's my favorite for the holidays. And it also, bake

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Speaker 9: clams really just remind me of Chicago, Chicago Italian restaurants.

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Speaker 9: It makes me feel like home. And if I was

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Speaker 9: the Bachelor, I would probably give the woman that made

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Speaker 9: me feel like home my first rows.

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Speaker 8: I'm Joe.

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Speaker 2: I would have done bake clams.

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Speaker 5: No, she would have ordered out, Okay, I would.

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Speaker 4: Have ordered the man. I honest to god, I've never

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Speaker 4: heard of baked clams. I'm from New England. I've never

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Speaker 9: I don't even think it's that. I guess it's an

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Speaker 6: It's like, honestly, I'd never had them until I went

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Speaker 7: New York restaurant in Philadelphia and Jersey they all have it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I would say it's big in Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Serena, Uh, what's.

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Speaker 5: Your favorite meal, Serena.

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Speaker 8: What's my favorite meal?

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Speaker 6: Well, tonight my mom made beer canned chicken, which I

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Speaker 4: That beer in the butt. It's beer in the butt chicken, right, totally,

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Speaker 4: you've done it. Wait, I have made that beer in

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Speaker 4: the butt. I cant believe it, Susan, but wait, you

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Speaker 4: have a can of beer and you put it up

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Speaker 4: the butt of the chicken and bake it.

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Speaker 5: Am I right, you are correct.

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Speaker 6: So we made that tonight, and Joe was saying, I

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Speaker 6: don't know why we have turkey on holidays because we

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Speaker 6: should just make chicken on the barbecue, Like this is

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Speaker 6: so much better.

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Speaker 10: Chicken is a superior burd And I feel like turkey

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Speaker 10: is controversial, like not everyone is a turkey fan, but

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Speaker 10: I love turkey on the holidays because really, the only time.

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Speaker 6: We eat it is like Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter.

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Speaker 4: Yep, you and I grew up together exactly, that's the

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Speaker 4: only time you eat turkey.

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Speaker 5: So you don't get a ham. You don't do a

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Speaker 8: Of the sometimes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do family throughout the year more often than

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Speaker 6: I will turkey.

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Speaker 9: I'm totally fine with the rest of my life never

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Speaker 9: eating turkey or ham or Thanksgiving dinner.

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Speaker 5: Ever, you no more turkey?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Thanksgiving dinner is like, maybe one of

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Speaker 6: Favorite that I had never had until I started dating Joe,

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Speaker 6: was you guys put marshmallows on your sweet potato. Of course,

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Speaker 6: that's really not a Canadian thing. I never had that

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Speaker 6: until I had thanks for dinner with his family.

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Speaker 4: I was like, what listen, Serena, Serena, let me just

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Speaker 4: start with you celebrate Thanksgiving on the wrong day, So

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Speaker 4: let's start with.

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Speaker 3: That, Serena, that is a question that I'm curious about.

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Speaker 3: You are from Canada, so obviously Thanksgiving is not a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess we do well because in all, like

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Speaker 6: I will say celebrating Thanksgiving middle of October. The leaves

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Speaker 6: It's like you're just waiting for Christmas at that point.

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Speaker 5: We only have so many days. I can't disagree thanks.

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Speaker 7: He goes and buys the wine.

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Speaker 3: It's a very talented Yeah, that's a big deal. You

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Christmas for many people is about gifts, and yes,

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. So how do you help cultivate that? Then?

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy we did.

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Speaker 4: This because at dinner we talk about Christmas and what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful Susan.

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Speaker 7: It's about sharing time together. And we have a lot

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Speaker 5: I just let it go on Christmas.

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Speaker 5: I'm not okay with it either.

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Speaker 7: Trash game right over here at trash break for the

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Speaker 7: but when I lay my head down, I'm so grateful

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Speaker 5: That's the best part for us.

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Speaker 4: What about you?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think I would just like

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Speaker 7: Like so you ask them, are you okay when they

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, like throughout the day, like I like, like, you know, randomly.

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Speaker 5: What about you, guys, I.

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Speaker 8: Mean we're on different pages.

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Speaker 6: Say I bet you give the same one say one

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Speaker 8: That's not nothinking it just Christmas.

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Speaker 9: I like like holiday scented candles, decorations. I love being

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Speaker 9: I like cookies in the oven. I like decorations.

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Speaker 8: I like gifts. I'm like, I'm a chop, I'm a child.

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Speaker 6: Christmas to Joe is still what it was when he

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Speaker 4: Hold Joe, I want to know Serena, who makes all

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Speaker 6: I would say, he really does a lot.

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Speaker 8: He really does a lot.

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Speaker 6: We will decorate together, but like he's like, we're going out,

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Speaker 6: We're getting Christmas decorations.

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Speaker 4: We're going to hold on for real real tree we

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Speaker 9: Serena for Christmas last year got me the home Alone

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're really happy I got. I surprised, Like a

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Speaker 6: It's a limo to go to dinner, like a stretch

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think the word that my dad always

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Speaker 8: With every adult there's a kid inside, right.

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Speaker 5: You know what's your favorite Christmas cookie?

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Speaker 9: I also love like just the jingle cookies with.

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Speaker 5: The sugar cookies, sugar cookie. Do you like evergot ourbiscottis.

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Speaker 3: I tell you, I hate those years round In another world,

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Speaker 3: I feel like Joe's nickname could be Schnickerdoodle snicker I do,

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Speaker 2: Oh pretty exciting? Yeah, yeah, happy, all right, Kathy.

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Speaker 9: I'm thankful for. I'm thankful for getting into the game

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Speaker 8: Is yours go on? And I'm just really excited for this.

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Speaker 5: Supported you get him a new club for Christmas, to.

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Speaker 6: Everything you could imagine golf related and you've been playing.

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Speaker 9: I'm a forty handicap. I walked through the airport. I

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Speaker 1: You lot.

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Speaker 6: I'm putting that for our apartment. I wake up in

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Speaker 3: Just I'm just letting you know. That's not uncommon, nor

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Speaker 6: I appreciate the word.

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Speaker 4: Let me just say, some of the best views in

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Speaker 2: And some of the best memories ever made.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, So let me add one thing.

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Speaker 7: So when I started playing, I actually told my ex

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Speaker 7: I get it. I used to be watching the clock.

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Speaker 7: And now that I play, I'm like, I am say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe, welcome to the club, and welcome to the

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Speaker 3: When we come back, you can check out this second

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Speaker 2: We're going to start out with this.

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Speaker 3: Question, so you all think about, Okay, this is how

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Speaker 3: we're gonna start that episode. It's gonna be a good one, uh,

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Speaker 3: for us to begin on.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: What is their most dramatic holiday gift reveal you've ever witnessed?

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna go rapid fire. I think we all

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Speaker 3: have to answer it. What is the most dramatic holiday

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Speaker 3: gift reveal? Or let's go this way, what is the

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Speaker 3: most dramatic thing that's ever happened on a holiday that

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Speaker 3: you've witnessed. We'll be back on Bachelor app Era with

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Speaker 3: part two. Until then, I've been Ben with the Almost

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Speaker 3: Famous podcast.

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