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Speaker 1: It is a Football Friday, Week ten edition, the perfect

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Speaker 1: week to get a win in Seattle. God Zach Gershman

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Speaker 1: with me berg Gang. Together we break down Sunday's game

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Speaker 1: against the Seahawks Cardinals, trying to split the season series.

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Speaker 1: A lot is different though on both teams, from the

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Speaker 1: first meeting in September. And yes, we head into enemy territory.

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Speaker 1: We speak with John Boyle, senior reporter for Seahawks dot

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Speaker 1: Com at Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine three and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buona Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: so more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig trailer.

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Speaker 1: First things first, a round of applause, or at least

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Speaker 1: just me clapping over here. Oh no, okay, all right.

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Speaker 1: We are joined here on this Football Friday by the

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Speaker 1: award winning Zach Kershman. Let me explain, unless you want

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Speaker 1: to explain it to yourself. Yeah, it's gonna say now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're being very humble, all right, sweez please,

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Speaker 1: First off, what was earlier in the off season, actually

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Speaker 1: two projects earlier in the off season that Zach was

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Speaker 1: a part of civic matters, and that is something that

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Speaker 1: is being honored or has been honored, but specifically will

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Speaker 1: be honored this weekend, honored with the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: Governors Award given by the Rocky Mountain Southwest Chapter of

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Speaker 1: the National Academy of Television and Arts and Sciences. So

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Speaker 1: congratulations for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, it's an Emmy. It's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: And then a CLEO Award as well, honoring excellence and

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Speaker 1: advertising around the world for your participation.

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Speaker 3: And the pupation of many, many others.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot for eighteen bars the rap video that

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Speaker 1: Mac Wilson Senior did for the schedule release. A lot

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Speaker 1: of effort went into that, a lot of production went

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Speaker 1: into that. You were part of it, and I think

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Speaker 1: very cool that the Arizona Cardinals listed everyone, literally everyone

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Speaker 1: behind the cameras. So a CLEO Award now is on

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Speaker 1: the resume of one Zach Gershman. In addition to the Emmy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about I'm happy about the Emmy. Shout out

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Speaker 3: to Jay Young because he's the one that edited this piece.

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Speaker 3: And then of course all around the organization, Michael Bidwell,

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Speaker 3: Shawn Mayo, a bunch of different people with their efforts

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Speaker 3: in the community with Civics Matters, which is sending over

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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five around that high school students

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Speaker 3: from Title I programs to Washington, DC, for all expense

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Speaker 3: paid a week in our nation's capital to learn about

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Speaker 3: civics and doing your part in the community and taking

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Speaker 3: part in political discourse. Congressman Juan Sascamani was there. They

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Speaker 3: Capital and the Whip, the Majority Whip, Tom Emmer gave

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Speaker 3: everybody the Red Coat Tour, so it was pretty special.

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Speaker 3: Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and all this politics aside. These are

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Speaker 3: important that a lot of the students, high school students

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Speaker 3: the politics, about what makes our country so amazing, and

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Speaker 3: the fact that it was honored for the highest honor

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Speaker 3: kudos to everybody involved, and then the Kleio. I mean

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Speaker 3: that goes down to Mac Wilson Senior, FIR and foremost

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Speaker 3: off a schedule release as we did as an organization.

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Speaker 3: But everybody, there's about fifty names that are on this list.

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Speaker 3: I'm a production assistant. I would have never thought that

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Speaker 3: I think that that's Mac Wilson Senior's logo, and then

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Speaker 1: Now that I think about it, since you brought it up,

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Speaker 1: Because of what we're not for you, Zach Kershman, then

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Speaker 1: That, Well, anyway, this is just way too long of

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Speaker 3: I think it's less about praise for me and more

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Speaker 1: Well deserved on your parts, and congratulations to the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and everyone involved, not only in Civics matters Arizona,

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Speaker 1: but the eighteen bars schedule release. There is a natural

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Speaker 1: Cardinals going to Seattle on Sunday playing the Seahawks in

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Speaker 1: the second game of two meetings this season. Cardinals looking

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Jamonte Williams on a blitz pick

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Speaker 3: In this case, he is was the green dot for

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Speaker 1: It's a big step up, especially knowing ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: We bring up Denzel Burke because he is in line

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Speaker 1: Zach cracking the knuckles. Yeah, that was a good That

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Speaker 1: nine snaps against the Cowboys, the game's ceiling interception against

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Speaker 1: So before we talk about your quarterback, John, the quarterback

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Speaker 3: Well, now we'll flip it over to your quarterbacks. Sam

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Speaker 4: yard games, one ninety six yard game, then the seventy

435
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Speaker 4: five or seventy six yards against Arizona, and it's you know,

436
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Speaker 4: it was funny when we talked to Mike McDonald after

437
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Speaker 4: the game on Sunday, he had a you know, one

438
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty seven yards in that game, another great game,

439
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Speaker 4: and we got ten minutes into the postgame press conference

440
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Speaker 4: and no one even asked about him, And I brought

441
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Speaker 4: that up I like, Mike, you know, we're this farness.

442
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Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about the guy because it's just

443
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 4: become so normal. But it's it shouldn't be taking for

444
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Speaker 4: granted what he's doing. It's pretty special.

445
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the run game earlier, and I know that's

446
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Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers that certainly pops when

447
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Speaker 1: it's not what we typically see out of the Seattle offense.

448
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Speaker 1: But going back to week four, in the first meeting,

449
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Speaker 1: Seahawks did have a very good run game against the Cardinals.

450
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Speaker 1: How much was that just that particular week or as

451
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Speaker 1: we found forward to week ten, that's a completely different

452
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Speaker 1: Seahawks team, Like it's a completely different Cardinals team.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, it's just to me, it's really just

454
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Speaker 4: been they're not super consistent in their own game. They've

455
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Speaker 4: had some moments in that game included you know, even

456
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Speaker 4: the start of this game in Washington, they ran the

457
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Speaker 4: ball pretty well that first drive, Ken Walker ound a

458
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Speaker 4: couple of nice runs. They got a decent game on

459
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Speaker 4: like a jet sweet kind of thing that Jackson Smith

460
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Speaker 4: and Jigba. So they've been able to do it in spurts.

461
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Speaker 4: It's just been not you know, something they can really

462
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Speaker 4: lean on. And more than anything, I think that's that

463
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Speaker 4: they want to do better is that late in game.

464
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Speaker 4: I mean, they've been fortunate to be up in a

465
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Speaker 4: lot of games and they have not been great at

466
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Speaker 4: just the hey, four minute offense, We're going to run

467
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Speaker 4: it and you have to stop us. And they haven't

468
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Speaker 4: had a ton of success in that mode. So but

469
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Speaker 4: again it's something they're still committed to. I mean, a

470
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Speaker 4: because they want to be better at it, but b

471
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Speaker 4: I do think it's just kind of fundamental to this

472
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Speaker 4: offense to work with, you know, setting up the play

473
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Speaker 4: action and making things happen with the way they use personnel.

474
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Speaker 4: And you know, they've been all year long, they've been

475
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Speaker 4: top ten in the league in terms of attempts, they're

476
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Speaker 4: eight in a league and attempts, but then you go

477
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Speaker 4: look at the yards per carry in their thirty first

478
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Speaker 4: so that's where they need to kind of find the

479
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Speaker 4: middle ground there and get more effective. But they're still

480
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Speaker 4: going to come out and try to run the ball.

481
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Speaker 4: That's a big part of what they do.

482
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Speaker 3: Flipping over to the defense side of the ball, Johnathangana

483
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Speaker 3: said that this is going to be one of the

484
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Speaker 3: best defenses that this Cardinals team is going to face

485
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Speaker 3: Kalays Campbell obviously played for Mike McDonald at in Baltimore

486
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Speaker 3: and was very complimentary of his former defensive coordinator. But

487
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Speaker 3: as much as people could give the Flowers, the stats

488
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Speaker 3: speak for themselves. And I was looking back to the

489
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Speaker 3: game week four, Nawusu had had two sacks. Just how

490
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Speaker 3: has this defensive pass rush been able to be so

491
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Speaker 3: effective and so dominant week in and week out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's They're good all over on that defense,

493
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Speaker 4: but that front, the outside linebackers in the defensive line

494
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Speaker 4: have just been I mean, I'm biased, but I would

495
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Speaker 4: argue that might be the best front in the league

496
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Speaker 4: right now the way they're playing collectively. The group they

497
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Speaker 4: don't have, you know, the one guy with nine ten

498
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Speaker 4: sacks midway through the year, but they have so many

499
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Speaker 4: different guys. You know, Leonard Williams statistically putting up the

500
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Speaker 4: numbers he did last year, but he's he's probably the

501
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Speaker 4: best player in that group and just making things happen

502
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Speaker 4: for everybody. We've seen, you know, Byron Murphy really take

503
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Speaker 4: a big leap in year two. Then those edge guys

504
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Speaker 4: you mentioned, Chennon Numos, who he was a guy that

505
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Speaker 4: you know, has missed a lot of time last two

506
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Speaker 4: years because of injury, and he's bounced back and been

507
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Speaker 4: really good. And it's you know, it's a lot of

508
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Speaker 4: it's what Mike McDonald's schemes up. You know, they if

509
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Speaker 4: you look at their blitz rate, they're one of the

510
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Speaker 4: lowest blitz rates in the NFL. But what they do is,

511
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Speaker 4: you know, all these simulate pressures where they're they might

512
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Speaker 4: bring forward, but teams don't know which four and so

513
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Speaker 4: it's really hard to protect of you you overload one

514
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Speaker 4: side and you get free rushers with only four guys.

515
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Speaker 4: So that's, you know, schematically, it's a big part of it,

516
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Speaker 4: but also just a lot of really good players playing

517
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Speaker 4: well and playing unselfishly. That's that's a big talking point

518
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Speaker 4: for that group, is like, you know, not everyone's getting

519
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Speaker 4: the numbers every week. You know, a lot of their

520
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 4: good edge players, Boy and Mafe, Derek Halla, those guys

521
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Speaker 4: aren't getting the sacks, but they're making a lot of

522
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Speaker 4: plays creating opportunities for others. And then lastly, i'd say

523
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Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence has been just a huge addition for that group.

524
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Speaker 4: He's been a really good player, really good run defender,

525
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Speaker 4: you know, a veteran leader. He's had a lot of

526
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Speaker 4: that group. So yeah, just up front, they're playing awesome

527
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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 1: I remember talking with you in the offseason about the

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Speaker 1: addition of DeMarcus Lawrence and what he might mean for

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Speaker 1: that Seahawks defense. But specifically, yeah, according to next Gen Stats,

531
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Speaker 1: the second lowest blitz rate but the second highest pressure rate.

532
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Speaker 1: I think again, if you can, if you can just

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Speaker 1: get home or affect the quarterback with just four I mean,

534
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Speaker 1: that's the goal of every defensive coordinat It's the goal

535
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Speaker 1: of Nick Ralis here. But now, all of a sudden,

536
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Speaker 1: what we're seeing out of the Seahawks defense, John, you

537
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Speaker 1: see it better than most is Okay? That allows seven

538
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Speaker 1: to drop back into coverage, and all of a sudden,

539
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of hands on football's in that Seahawks secondary.

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Speaker 1: What's that marriage like between here? We call it rush

541
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Speaker 1: coverage coverage rush. But as far as how those two

542
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Speaker 1: are working so well together, oh for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean anytime you talk about, you know, either the

544
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Speaker 4: the plays the secondary is making or the play up front.

545
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Speaker 4: Mike McDonald loves to point that out. Kind of that

546
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Speaker 4: rush coverage marriage of like, well, they're getting sacks because

547
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Speaker 4: they're covered well, and that's true a lot, especially when

548
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Speaker 4: you're rushing for and then a lot of the players

549
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Speaker 4: of secondary is making is because of pressure. You look

550
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Speaker 4: at the interception Tyokatta had last week as a spectacular play,

551
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Speaker 4: but that throw happened because they sent, you know, one

552
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Speaker 4: of their rare blitzes. They sent Devin Witherson on blitz

553
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Speaker 4: and he's writing Jane Daniels's face and he rushes up

554
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Speaker 4: a bad throw. So it's, you know, it's really playing

555
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Speaker 4: off each other while they've been beat up in the secondary.

556
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Speaker 4: You know, they've they're one really bad game on defense

557
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Speaker 4: this year against Tampa Bay, which a give Tampa Bay

558
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Speaker 4: a lot of credit. That's a hell of an offense,

559
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Speaker 4: and Baker Mayfield's playing great, but they were missing a

560
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: ton of dudes on that defense that game, and in

561
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Speaker 4: their secondary in particular. They're starting to get healthier there.

562
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 4: Julian Love's on injured reserve right now, but otherwise they're

563
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Speaker 4: getting guys back. Devin Witherspoon just returned. But even when

564
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Speaker 4: they have been at full speed, a lot of why

565
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Speaker 4: that cover just still looks good is you know, a

566
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Speaker 4: guy's stepping up like a tyokatta, and you know Josh

567
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: Joe but quarterback, all these different guys. But b because

568
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 4: when the front's playing well, it can help make a

569
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Speaker 4: secondary look a lot better.

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Speaker 3: And we know too that besides that game against Tampa

571
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Speaker 3: Bay and the one with the Cardinals, the Seahawks defense

572
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: hasn't allowed more than twenty points in a game. So

573
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Speaker 3: it's been impressive what they've been able to do. Somebody

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Speaker 3: I wanted to highlight a little bit Kobe Bryant. In

575
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Speaker 3: the last three games against the Cardinals, he's had an

576
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Speaker 3: interception in each game. What is it about when he

577
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Speaker 3: plays our red Birds here that he's able to continue

578
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Speaker 3: to just make a big time play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know specifically about the Cardinals, but he's just

581
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: been a really good player for the Seahawks. He has

582
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Speaker 4: an interesting story where he comes in. He was the

583
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Speaker 4: cornerback opposite Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati and he ended up

584
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Speaker 4: being the Jim Thorpe Award winner that year because you know,

585
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Speaker 4: he was such a playmaker for them, and I think

586
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Speaker 4: also he got a lot of opportunities because teams weren't

587
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Speaker 4: throwing at sauce. So he's you know, he's kind of

588
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Speaker 4: a mid late round draft pick, not you know, not

589
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Speaker 4: necessarily all the measurables, and he comes in, wins the

590
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Speaker 4: nickel job, plays really well as a nickel for the

591
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Speaker 4: Seahawks as a rookie. Then he kind of gets bounced

592
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Speaker 4: around and he doesn't find consistent playing time. You know,

593
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Speaker 4: Devin Witherston took that nickel job as a rookie when

594
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Speaker 4: he came in. They Pete Carroll started to move to

595
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Speaker 4: safety for Kobe Bryant, and then last year he starts

596
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Speaker 4: the year as a backup, just plays so well and

597
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: practicing on special teams. You know, injury first open the

598
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: door for him, but then he never gave that job

599
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Speaker 4: up and he's been he's really been the one consistent

600
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Speaker 4: in that secondary this year with all the different injuries

601
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Speaker 4: they's had, and he's playing really well, and you know,

602
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: he makes tackles in the run game, he's you know,

603
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 4: around the ball a lot, he's you know, he's just

604
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Speaker 4: he's just kind of one of those guys where you know,

605
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 4: the term Mike McDonald likes, he's ball, finds energy, and

606
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: he's very much that guy. Just he's he's around the

607
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: ball a lot, and he's making things happen, and I'm

608
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Speaker 4: sure he'd love to keep that going against Arizona if

609
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: the ball can find him again. Although I know Jacobey

610
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: PRIs said it's very hard to intercept that. Did I

611
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: see he's the lowest or second lowest interception rate of

612
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Speaker 4: all times?

613
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, low Rogers, and that's gone down even more now

614
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Speaker 3: because he hasn't been giving up the ball in the

615
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Speaker 3: three games he's played.

616
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So if if Kobe's gonna keep that streak going,

617
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: My last question for you, John is is we we've

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Speaker 1: brought up that first meeting in week four, and then

620
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Speaker 1: we alluded to the different quarterback Marvin Harrison Junior in

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Speaker 1: Week four. Certainly maybe you have turned a corner in

622
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Speaker 1: that fourth quarter. Cardinals defensively didn't have Garrett Williams, will

623
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Speaker 1: Johnson or Walter Noll in the third. So how much

624
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Speaker 1: at least are the Seahawks taking a look at that

625
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: first matchup as opposed to or at least using that

626
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Speaker 1: as a blueprint for what the Cardinals might do on

627
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Speaker 1: either side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm sure they're looking at you know,

629
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Speaker 4: obviously you're gonna look at everything, and you're gonna look

630
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Speaker 4: at how they played you the game before. But yeah,

631
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Speaker 4: they know that, you know, defensively, they the Cardinal have

632
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Speaker 4: got some guys that weren't available than some really good players,

633
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Speaker 4: and they know that a new quarterback is gonna change

634
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Speaker 4: it up too. So you know, I think, like any

635
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Speaker 4: good coaching staff, the Seahawks will approach this as you know,

636
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Speaker 4: we'll take what information we can get from the previous outing,

637
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: but we also got to look at the more recent

638
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: tape and understand that this team has grown and developed

639
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: in the last two months.

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Speaker 1: John, good stuff as always, look forward to the matchup

641
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Speaker 1: and well on our side, hopefully that the season series

642
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: is a split as opposed to sweet. But that's just

643
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Speaker 1: us being selfish.

644
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: Now we'll go for nine in a row.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's it would be nice.

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Speaker 3: It would be nine happy.

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Speaker 4: Hey, you know, I just had.

648
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Speaker 1: To appreciate it as always in uh after Sunday, Best

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Speaker 1: of luck the rest of the way. Good thanks, easier,

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Speaker 1: appreciate John giving us some time this week. Always good

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Speaker 1: to catch up. By the way, you want to follow

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Speaker 1: John this week this season at John p Boyle Is

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Speaker 1: his Twitter handle does a great job for Seahawks dot Com.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the Sam Donald part of this storyline is

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Speaker 1: something that sure in Week four, first part of the

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Speaker 1: regular season, but now here it is it's only gotten louder,

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Speaker 1: especially nationally when you talk about MVP candidates. But Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald's not a one year wonder what he did with

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. He is doing and even to a

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Speaker 1: higher level with the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: I think it just shows when you get out of

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Speaker 3: New York, look what happens, because it's kind of impressive

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Speaker 3: to see what Daniel Jones has been able to do

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Speaker 3: leaven from the Giants. Then he goes to Minnesota for

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Speaker 3: a year and he then look, he goes to Indianapolis

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Speaker 3: and becomes one of the best teams in the AFC,

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Speaker 3: keeps leading them to many many victories. Sam for Minnesota

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Speaker 3: with Sam Donald, he goes over there, plays quite well

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Speaker 3: under Kevin O'Connell. Then he goes out uh to Seattle

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Speaker 3: and it's impressive to see just how well he has done.

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Speaker 3: He's come a long way from seeing ghost.

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Speaker 1: That is, yeah, and he was not seeing any ghosts

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Speaker 1: last week against the Commanders. He did not throw an

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Speaker 1: incompletion in the first half.

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Speaker 3: What DoD he have like all of his touchdowns before

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Speaker 3: an incompletion? Gaven Like, that's insane.

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Speaker 1: He had finished with more touchdowns than in completions in

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Speaker 1: the game, four versus three. So yeah, Sam Donald is

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Speaker 1: playing very very well. His leading receiver JSN, who's got

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Speaker 1: six one hundred yard games this season. No one has

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Speaker 1: more than and four across the league. And as john mentioned, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did hold JSN and check until that fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: That was the twenty two yard catch that set up

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Speaker 1: the game winning field goal. So we mentioned that without

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Speaker 1: a Will Johnson, without a Max Moultain, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's Denzel Burke, it's Garrett Williams, it's Key Treill Clark.

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Speaker 1: It could even be Darren Hall that all of a sudden. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you focus on JSN, but don't forget you brought in

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Speaker 1: Rashid Shaheed as well, who will make his Seahawks debut

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Speaker 1: on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: When you hold the Seahawks, what they win the game?

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Speaker 1: Like twenty three twenty correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct? If you hold the Seahawks offense to twenty three points,

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Speaker 3: you could win the game and that's the thing that

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Speaker 3: this Cardinals offense started off really slow in that game

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Speaker 3: against Seattle Seahawks in Week four. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 3: had the bobble that turned into a viral meme of

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Speaker 3: him on the sidelines for a certain point, and then

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Speaker 3: the offense started clicking in the fourth quarter, and that

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Speaker 3: was the offense that everybody's been hoping to see. That's

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Speaker 3: offense we have seen quite a bit throughout the time

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Speaker 3: that Jacobe Prissett has been since the since their bye week,

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Speaker 3: especially in the game against the Cowboys, but also when

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Speaker 3: they played the Colts and when they played the Packers.

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Speaker 3: The offenses look really good. So I think that if

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Speaker 3: they're able to spread it out across all four quarters

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Speaker 3: and the defense could play in the way that they

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Speaker 3: didn't and hold Jackson Smith Nijigba to essentially nothing until

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter and you never hope that he wants

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Speaker 3: to go off in the fourth quarter, you could win

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Speaker 3: the game. I think you are going into a hostile

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Speaker 3: territory and uh into enemy territory in a very tough environment.

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Speaker 3: One hundred that all plays a factor. There is no

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Speaker 3: team that is as red hot. Maybe the Colts and

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Speaker 3: maybe the Broncos. But in the NFC it's the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: and and there's a reason why they are atop the

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Speaker 3: NFC West. They are playing really good football, but they

718
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Speaker 3: are not unbeatable. And I think that the Cardinals are

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Speaker 3: the only team besides the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that have

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Speaker 3: been able to score twenty or more points on Seattle's defense.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that this game is that far out

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Speaker 3: of the picture for the Cardinals to win and start

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Speaker 3: climbing themselves back into it.

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals are able to run the football like

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Speaker 1: they did, doesn't have to be over one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty yards, But if they are able to run the

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Speaker 1: football like they did last week against the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: to where you have to if you're the defense, you

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Speaker 1: have to pay attention to it. And yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: tough to run against the Seahawks defense. Although the Commanders

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Speaker 1: did rush for one hundred and fifty seven yards. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that was just a one week thing, but still, I

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Speaker 1: hope that we don't see forty plus pass attempts. And

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Speaker 1: it's much like the Cowboys game more all right, you

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Speaker 1: throw early to get a lead and then you run

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Speaker 1: the ball to milk the clock well.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon was saying that one of the things you

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Speaker 3: wanted to see the minor tweaks that could turn into

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Speaker 3: major impacts is the backside running attack by the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: and what they're able to do with their offensive linement

741
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Speaker 3: and their running backs. If you're able to to execute

742
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: that a little bit, you could get your run game going.

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Speaker 3: Amaro de Mercado played well against the Cowboys. Bam Knight

744
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: did not have as much success out there, but he

745
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: still played a pretty solid game. Michael Carter did not

746
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: really see the field, but as elevated and I think

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Speaker 3: that this is a defensive front that is one of

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Speaker 3: the best run stopping defensive fronts. But the stats don't lie,

749
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Speaker 3: especially in that last game against Commanders, so it's possible.

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Speaker 3: It's possible. I do not think that this Seattle team

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Speaker 3: is untouchable. They have not played as well at home

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Speaker 3: in recent years as they have had, or in recent

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Speaker 3: weeks as they have had in recent years. They are

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Speaker 3: beatable like that. That's just why I keep going down

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Speaker 3: to They are a very beatable team, and they've definitely

756
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: had quite a few amount of injuries on the offensive

757
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: side of the ball, Jackson Smith and Jigba is a

758
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: great wide receiver, but he is also as good of

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Speaker 3: a wide receiver as he is. Because you have the

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Speaker 3: threat of Cooper Cup out there and the threat of

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Speaker 3: Tory Horton, who's a speedy threat, but he was a

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Speaker 3: DNP on Thursday. So there are a lot of different

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Speaker 3: things that could limit and impact what this team looks like.

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Speaker 3: And if we keep going back between what week four

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Speaker 3: was like versus what week ten is like, you have

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Speaker 3: Garret Williams back out there on the defense side of

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Speaker 3: the ball. That is huge, and you also have your

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Speaker 3: first round talent and walteron Nolan the third. So I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna be very excited to see the matchup between walteron

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Speaker 3: Nolan the Third and Grey's Abel, their starting offensive guard

771
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Speaker 3: who is not allowed to sack yet this year. I

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Speaker 3: think that's gonna be a very good battle.

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Speaker 1: The other player that was not on the field for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals in Week four, well, Hernandez and you talked

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Speaker 1: about someone that might be able to fare a little

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Speaker 1: bit better against a Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, DeMarcus Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: How much inside pressure are the Cardinals able to contain

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Speaker 1: because it is a solid defensive line, and we know

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett will stand tall in the pocket, step up,

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Speaker 1: absorb the hit in order to get the pass off.

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Speaker 1: But can you limit the number of hits that Jacoby

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Speaker 1: has had. I think some of that those hits though,

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Speaker 1: are on the quarterback himself because he's willing to stand

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Speaker 1: in the pocket. But keep him up right, keep them

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Speaker 1: clean the best you can, and allow Jacoby to survey

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Speaker 1: the field and get the ball into the hands of

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Speaker 1: his playmakers.

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Speaker 3: In the last three meetings the Cardinals have had against

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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks, Will Hernanda has not been out there.

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Speaker 3: He was injured before that happened last year when he

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Speaker 3: tore his ACL And then it was really Isaiah Adams's

792
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: first taste of what the NFL was like from a

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Speaker 3: starting standpoint when he played against the Seattle Seahawks in

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Speaker 3: Week twelve last year, and then in Week fourteen, then

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Speaker 3: obviously in week four he was still the starter at

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Speaker 3: that point of the year. The next week five, that's

797
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: when Will Hernanda start to come back into the lineup

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Speaker 3: a little bit and playing a little bit more, and

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Speaker 3: now he's that full time starter, playing one hundred percent

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00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: of the snaps, just like he did prior to his injury.

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Speaker 3: But big Cat Leonard Williams an important piece. We talked

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00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: with John Boyle about Byron Murphy the second and his

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00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: development and how he's been taking that year one to

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00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: year two jump. Will Hernandez being there is certainly very important.

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00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: It allows Jonah Williams and Paris Johnson Junior to focus

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Speaker 3: on the DeMarcus lawrences of the world on the outside

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Speaker 3: and then on the interior of the offensive line versus

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Speaker 3: the interior of the defensive line. I trust what Yell

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Speaker 3: Defrohold is able to bring to the table. I was

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Speaker 3: on a radio station out to set the Seahawks radio network.

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Speaker 3: I was on a phone call with them last night.

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Speaker 3: They were talking about They were saying how Yell defro

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Speaker 3: Hold they were fuels to say his name, and I

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Speaker 3: kind of called him out on it because it was

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Speaker 3: funny and I'm like that that is going to get clipped.

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Speaker 4: I know it.

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Speaker 3: But they were talking about just the athleticism and Yell

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Speaker 3: defro Hold and how that causes a lot of problems

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Speaker 3: for the sheer toughness of the Seattle Seahawks defensive front

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Speaker 3: and how that is an area that they're focusing on,

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Speaker 3: is the interior of the offensive line. Now you have

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Speaker 3: will Hernanda's coming back into it. It can't make a

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Speaker 3: very big difference of trying to You're not going to

824
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Speaker 3: be able to stop Leonard Williams. He is an all

825
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: pro talent, but you could try to limit him the

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Speaker 3: best that you can.

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Speaker 1: So not only an award winning radio behind the scenes writer, producer,

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Speaker 1: Emmy award winning but now all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 1: getting reached out to.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's because Darren Urbans said, no, oh okay, as

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Speaker 3: much as I would have loved to make me feel

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Speaker 3: even more important and valued and special, although I am

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Speaker 3: still valued and special.

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Speaker 1: So you're the Cody Simon denzel Berg. I like to think,

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Speaker 1: so next man, except that.

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Speaker 3: There's just no injury on Darren Urbans front. As JG said,

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Speaker 3: when it comes to like blocking as a run blocker

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Speaker 3: or as a running back that has the pass pro

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Speaker 3: you just have to have to want to.

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Speaker 1: And Darren didn't want to. Didn't want to, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: want to, all right, before we get you into any

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Speaker 1: trouble here on Cardinals cover too, how do.

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Speaker 3: You think it made me feel when I turned to Darren,

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, Darren, I got this email here.

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Speaker 1: Can I do it?

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Speaker 3: And he said from Paul Moyer And I'm like yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he goes yeah. I told him no, you could

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 1: I said, well, thanks. We build you up here, Zach,

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Speaker 1: and then we bring you back down to end the show.

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Speaker 1: And that is the Cardinals play Cardinals at the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Sunday two oh five is the kickoff

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Speaker 1: nine thirty pregame covers begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Can the Cardinals make it back to back wins? Improve

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Speaker 1: the four and five and penn A loss on the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: who are six and two and sitting atop the NFC

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Speaker 1: West should be a good one, And of course we'll

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Speaker 1: break it all down following the game on Cardinal Talk

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Speaker 1: and then on Monday here on Cardinals Cover two. And

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Speaker 1: on that notes, we will put a lid on This

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Speaker 1: Fincher for Zach Kershman the award winning Zach Kershman. I'm Craig.

865
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals cover

866
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: two mm HM