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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, February twenty fourth, and

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Speaker 1: we were wondering what defense the UTAHM mom would use

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Speaker 1: as she goes on trial for poisoning and killing her husband. Well,

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Speaker 1: we found out what her defense is going to be,

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Speaker 1: blame the dead guy. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Rohad.

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Speaker 1: We were curious, we got our answer pretty quickly in

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Speaker 1: this case that is fascinating. A grief author kills her

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Speaker 1: husband on trial for killing her husband. But Rhodes, they

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Speaker 1: did not mince words yesterday. They are going after the

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Speaker 1: victim and they're going after his family.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And you know what, this seems to be a theme.

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Speaker 2: If you can't take responsibility and you want to point

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Speaker 2: the finger at somebody else, well, the one person who

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Speaker 2: can't refute your version is the person who you're accused

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Speaker 2: of killing. And that's exactly what's happening here. Look, according

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Speaker 2: to prosecutors, thirty five year old Corey Richins slipped her

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Speaker 2: husband Eric five times the lethal dose of fentanyl in

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Speaker 2: a moscow mule she made for him right before he

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Speaker 2: went to bed. But the defense says, hey, Eric Richards

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Speaker 2: actually was addicted to painkillers, loved his THHC gummies. Who

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Speaker 2: knows how the fentanyl got in a system, but he's

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Speaker 2: the one who was doing drugs.

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Speaker 1: So this is going to be robes. They said, this

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Speaker 1: is a trial that's going to take a month. It

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Speaker 1: feels like it could take longer. Yesterday was a lot

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, in this trial. Maybe they just need to

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Speaker 1: get some of this out of the way early. But

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Speaker 1: it felt like a clunky not quite. It's day one,

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Speaker 1: but they haven't found their stride. The judge and the

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Speaker 1: two adturn just figuring each other out. But it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of jerky movement yesterday and not real flow

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Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting you say that we've been watching

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Speaker 2: a lot of trials lately, and it does take there's

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Speaker 2: And it was messy yesterday. That's a good way to

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Speaker 2: put it. Lots of I'm sorry, I didn't mean to

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Speaker 2: stop and starts. Even the witnesses were apologizing. It was

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Speaker 2: it was definitely clunky. It's a very compard to you.

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Speaker 1: We will figure that out later, I suppose. But yes, folks,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a trial that a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks are going to keep an eye on, because

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Speaker 1: it's the case folks have kept their eye on. This

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Speaker 1: happened in twenty twenty two the death of Eric Richins.

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Speaker 1: Died at least according to the medical disameter, but fetanyl poisoning.

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Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, his wife, Corey Kitchens, is the one Richins.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Corey Richins is the one who slipped this

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Speaker 1: fentanyl into his drink, killing him. She's also on trial

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Speaker 1: robes for attempting to kill him what a month prior,

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Speaker 1: by poisoning a sandwich that he had eaten. All this

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Speaker 1: was about financial gain. She had a house of cards,

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Speaker 1: as we hear oftentimes with financial situations. But they're talking

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Speaker 1: he was worth more to her with money. The other

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Speaker 1: part of this Robes, of course, that's making the big

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Speaker 1: he died.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. So yes, there is high interest in this case.

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Speaker 2: Just to give you an idea, apparently several dozen people

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Speaker 2: Because this has made of course local headlines, but now

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Speaker 2: national headlines because about one year after Eric's death, Corey

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Speaker 2: Richins published a book and it was titled Are You

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Speaker 2: after he died. So Richards was out there in Utah

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Speaker 2: Park City is where this trial is taking place, promoting

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Speaker 2: this children's book about dealing with a loss of a parent.

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Speaker 2: She was on local television, she was on radio stations,

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Speaker 2: her son's father. She has three sons with Eric Richins,

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Speaker 1: And the boys were all under the age of ten

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Speaker 1: Here we are Robes and you and I and then

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Speaker 1: a lot of people wondered, we didn't have a full

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Speaker 2: Olympics, Yes, it's fresh on your mind. That makes a

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Speaker 1: I get that opening arguments were made, opening statements.

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Speaker 1: Even the lawyer yesterday stopped herself and corrected she.

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Speaker 2: Did she did. That was one of the apologies.

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Speaker 1: The opening statements yesterday we heard from the prosecution. It's

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Speaker 1: but man, she made the points pretty quickly that this

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Speaker 2: That's correct. So the defense started out with a nine

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Speaker 2: her husband. She says, cold to the touch, and so

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of high pitch Sobbing can barely understand her,

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Speaker 1: At that point there was a collective rolling of the

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Speaker 2: So, yes, So. Then the first thing she does is

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Speaker 2: she asks jurors to suspend judgment. Obviously, most people, especially

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Speaker 2: who live in that area, have heard of this trial,

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Speaker 2: know about this trial, so she had to kind of

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Speaker 2: start with that, like, please don't believe everything you've heard

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I appreciate court TV. I know

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Speaker 1: people do watch, but I like looking and that we

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Speaker 1: And a reminder, Robes is important. She is an innocent

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, And in the cynical world we live in, that's

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Speaker 2: remind the jurors of this constantly throughout the trial. But

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Speaker 2: I thought this was interesting, did you? And we heard

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Speaker 2: this several times throughout the trial. Yesterday in testimony that

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Speaker 2: Eric Richins had lime disease. I don't know why that's important,

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Speaker 2: the defense because they've continued to bring it up. We

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Speaker 2: Richins is telling detectives immediately, my husband had lime disease.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to play a role,

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Speaker 2: but it certainly popped up more than once.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to go into all of his any physical

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Speaker 1: medical issues he might have had that would have caused

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Speaker 1: him to seek out FENTONYL THAC gummies. That was hydro

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Speaker 1: codone prescription bottle that was on the thing. So she's

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Speaker 1: trying to make it Remember they were talking about allergic reactions. Yes,

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Speaker 1: which they put his family up yesterday. We haven't gotten

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Speaker 2: Yes, So the idea is that he was in chronic pain,

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Speaker 2: the defense, they're trying to set this up there suggesting that, yes,

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Speaker 2: Eric may have been addicted to painkillers, may have been

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Speaker 2: The defense attorney ended with this, or came to her

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Speaker 2: died with a lethal dose a fentanyl in a system.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to quote her here. What you will

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Speaker 2: never hear after four years of investigation is how that

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Speaker 2: a crime scene, they never looked at those Moscow mule cups.

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Speaker 2: And she says that they were there in the kitchen

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Speaker 2: prove there is no smoking gun, that there was fentanyl

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Speaker 1: Yeah, been there, done that in terms of not having

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Speaker 2: They don't need one.

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Speaker 1: It don't need one. And circumstantial enough it got into

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Speaker 1: which was not effective to me. Robes in the opening

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Speaker 1: Where does fentanyl usually come from in the United States?

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Speaker 1: it's that that tactic. It means we got nothing. So fine, Robes,

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Speaker 1: what about that other incident and all these financial things

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of motive here that this prosecution is

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Speaker 2: setting up which is going to be a very difficult

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Speaker 2: mountain for the defense to climb, for sure. But when

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Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to talk about the first

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Speaker 2: body cam footage that we couldn't take our eyes off of.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we'll continue here on Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Today will be day two of testimony in the Corey

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Speaker 1: Richins trial. What is the They always it was the

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Speaker 1: old pair affair. They always find little clever names. What

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Speaker 2: I think they're calling this grief author murder trial. Yes,

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Speaker 2: grief author. I wanted to add, like children's author murder trial.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that might even be more effective, because

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Speaker 2: that is what is so outrageous, not only if you

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Speaker 2: believe the prosecution and that this woman Corey Richins, plotted,

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Speaker 2: planned for years by the way, to kill her husband,

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Speaker 2: and when she does, she tries to profit off of

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Speaker 2: which we haven't even really gotten into. But the prosecution

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Speaker 2: set up the text messages that they will be reading

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Speaker 2: in great detail between Corey Richins and her lover, which

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Speaker 1: The other trial when the oh it was the searches

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Speaker 1: by was it Canaro?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: So we've got Google searches on this one. Now in

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Speaker 2: the opening statements, we forgot to mention this. I want

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Speaker 2: to point this out because this is important. The prosecution

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Speaker 2: started to reveal some text messages between Corey Richards and

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend, Robert Josh Grossman, where she talks about how

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Speaker 2: she wants to marry him, she wants to raise her

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Speaker 2: kids with him. In fact, I believe the last thing

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Speaker 2: that she texted before they claim she slipped that fentanyl

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Speaker 2: into her husband's drink was I love you to her boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: So the Google searches, how about this luxury prisons for

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Speaker 2: the rich America? Can cops force you to do a

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Speaker 2: lie detector test?

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Speaker 1: All?

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Speaker 2: And of course the famous ones?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Can police find deleted messages on your phone? All of

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Speaker 2: this stuff they've recovered, that's all going to come out

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Speaker 2: in great details. So again a lot of evidence. The

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Speaker 2: prosecution might not have that Moscow mule cup, but they

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Speaker 2: have a lot of stuff in the first witness they

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Speaker 2: put on, Katie Richards Benson, that was Eric's sister. What

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Speaker 2: did you make of her testimony? Her demeanor, She was emotional.

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Speaker 1: I think she took it too personally. I think she's

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Speaker 1: hurt and obviously, and she's pissed at the woman sitting

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Speaker 1: at the defense table, and she's pissed at her lawyers,

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Speaker 1: and she was and some of that combativeness kind of

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Speaker 1: came out. That animosity came out, and it wasn't helpful

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Speaker 1: for either side quite frankly, But I can understand where

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Speaker 1: she's coming from. And also she's on the spot. She's

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Speaker 1: in the he's in front of cameras, she's in front

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Speaker 1: of a courtroom. She doesn't do this all the time,

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Speaker 1: and she was uncomfortable and awkward and tried to give

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Speaker 1: the right answers, it seemed like at times. But the

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Speaker 1: authenticity in terms of the love for our brother was pure.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that that just stabbed it in my heart

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Speaker 2: to hear her emotion when talking about her brother. She

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Speaker 2: fiercely loved him. Here's what I actually took away because

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Speaker 2: she's she talked about Corey having a business like reaction

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Speaker 2: to Eric's death, and then she also said when she

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Speaker 2: came into the home that night when she found out

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Speaker 2: that her brother had died, and so there's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of police activity, Corey's there, They're trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: what to do with the kids. She said that Corey

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Speaker 2: had her hair all done up and was just like

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Speaker 2: camera ready. Interestingly enough, then a detective comes up with

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Speaker 2: that body cam footage, which we watched from start to finish,

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Speaker 2: and we see Corey reacting with police, and she's in

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Speaker 2: her pajamas crying to shovel. So it didn't necessarily match.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she was putting on a show, but it

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Speaker 2: didn't match what Eric's sister Katie tells he.

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Speaker 1: Was allegedly putting on the show. We got to make

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Speaker 1: sure correct how people view this differently.

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Speaker 2: I guess you're right, that's fair. I wanted to say,

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Speaker 2: in contrast to the way Katie described her as business like,

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Speaker 2: put together, hair done the what we saw in the

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Speaker 2: video was a very different version of her. She was

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Speaker 2: perhaps like genuinely upset, but she seemed upset and distraught

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Speaker 2: and slightly disheveled and in her pajamas.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it went on for a while. We

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Speaker 1: have had the bodycam video, so you see what happens

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Speaker 1: immediately after police arrive and they're working on her husband,

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Speaker 1: and it's a long bodycam video from this police officer,

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Speaker 1: but you do get insight and you can come up

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Speaker 1: with whatever conclusion you want to about her behavior. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the jurors are doing that and they have

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Speaker 1: their opinion. But yes, I mean, when I after dis

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's her husband just died. How are you

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Speaker 1: supposed to react? People react different ways, who are innocent

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Speaker 1: and who are guilty.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting we got to see how Corey reacted

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Speaker 2: on camera, and then we also got to see how Katie,

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Speaker 2: his sister, reacted when she came in the door. So

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Speaker 2: you see Corey crying, whimpering, trying to make sense of

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Speaker 2: how her husband could have died. One of the quotes

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Speaker 2: she had to the body camp to the detective, my

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Speaker 2: husband is active. He didn't just die in his sleep.

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Speaker 2: This is insane. So's she's kind of talking through her

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Speaker 2: confusion to the police, and then you see Katie come

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Speaker 2: just just can't even reach the starts hyperventilating. It was

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Speaker 2: quite something to take in and to watch this all

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Speaker 2: from the bodycam footage was I was it was like

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Speaker 2: you were watching a movie and yet you were watching

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Speaker 2: someone's actual pain. It was it was chilling. It was

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Speaker 2: very chilling. I think one of the big witnesses that

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks we don't know when this witness

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Speaker 2: is going to come up. But a big centerpiece to

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Speaker 2: the prosecution's case is the family housekeeper, Carmen Lauber. She's

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Speaker 2: expected to testify that she sold the fentanyl to Corey

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Speaker 2: Richins on multiple occasions. Now the problem with that is

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Speaker 2: that she was granted immunity for her testimony. She does

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Speaker 2: have prior convictions, and her drug dealer is now saying

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Speaker 2: I didn't sell her the fentanyl. I only sold her

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Speaker 2: oxy cotton. So it's going to be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: how effective her testimony will be.

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Speaker 1: Ah, well, yeah, we're getting started back. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: actually right now, who was the last person we had

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Speaker 1: on the stand was being I could see the lawyer

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Speaker 1: who was doing the questioning who was.

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Speaker 2: The last person in Katie's husband, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: He was on the stand. And this was the guy

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Speaker 1: who's helped the husband find a divorce attorney. So he

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Speaker 1: is up there giving his testimony, and he is being

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Speaker 1: cross examined right now.

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Speaker 2: So we will continue, of course to watch this trial.

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Speaker 2: It will take back up again eight thirty am Local time,

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Speaker 2: that's ten thirty am Eastern time. The trial is scheduled

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Speaker 2: to run for five weeks through March twenty six. Then again,

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Speaker 2: Corey Richins is facing I think they put it this way,

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Speaker 2: nearly three dozen charges including aggravated murder, attempted murder, forgery,

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Speaker 2: mortgage fraud, insurance fraud, lots of financial crimes there. But

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Speaker 2: we will of course keep I on this trial for

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Speaker 2: you in the meantime, though, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: listening to us. I made me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon