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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Daybreak Asia podcast. I'm Brian Curtis along with Doug Krisner.

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Speaker 1: We have Kayley Lines with us. The President, while he

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Speaker 1: probably did not intend to seem to blame politics for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, At the same time, though, he was talking about

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Speaker 2: the political environment in the ways in which he would

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Speaker 2: like to see it change. The President talking about this

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Speaker 2: idea of lowering the temperature. Really what he was trying

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Speaker 2: to achieve with this Oval Office address was acknowledging that, yes,

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Speaker 2: by enlarge, the American country at this time is deeply

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Speaker 2: divided on partisan lines. Things have gotten very heated, and

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Speaker 2: that was on full display in tragic form in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: rally yesterday when those shots went off and Donald Trump's

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Speaker 2: life was threatened. So, in part, this is Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: speaking not as a presidential candidate, but just as the

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Speaker 2: that could be incredibly traumatizing for a country and what

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Speaker 2: is a very difficult election cycle already. So yes, of course,

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Speaker 2: given it was a politician who was in the line

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Speaker 2: of fire, who was running for president, it is in

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Speaker 2: its very nature political. But he is just using this forum,

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Speaker 2: the privilege that he has as president, addressing the country

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Speaker 2: from the Oval office, to try to diffuse the situation

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Speaker 2: as much as possible, calling for politics to be an

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Speaker 2: arena for a peaceful deed.

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Speaker 1: Now I understand, and I think that Joe Biden wanted

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Speaker 1: to be addressing this point. Unity is very important in

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Speaker 1: the country. When President Trump raised his hand his arm

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Speaker 1: and shouted fight, fight, what do you think he was

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Speaker 1: most targeting in that fight?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is something we've been talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: in the last twenty four hours. The signific against the

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Speaker 2: words that Donald Trump chose to mouth the crowd that

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Speaker 2: take that under consideration. But yes, this idea that he

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Speaker 2: is trying to position himself as a fighter, as someone

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Speaker 2: supporters to continue to fight on his behalf. The question

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Speaker 2: we've been asking today is whether that in and of

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Speaker 2: itself couldn't cite more political violence potentially. Is this election

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Speaker 2: But I would say that Donald Trump and his campaigns,

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Speaker 2: been pushing the message of this as a moment for unity.

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Speaker 2: There is no place for this violence. Everybody needs to

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Speaker 2: take the temperature lower.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious in what you hear from guests. Is it

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Speaker 1: more frustration with a political climate in the United States,

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Speaker 2: I think right now, frankly, it's just somber. It's a

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Speaker 2: bea coming together of sorts that yes, this is a

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Speaker 1: So we'll have a number of investigations here. The FBI

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Speaker 1: Well, you saw two sides of the Secret Service, one

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Speaker 1: They had shot the gunman, and had protected Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean it was almost instantaneous. In watching

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Speaker 2: It can be both things. Can be true that was

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a really difficult question. Well, I

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Speaker 1: and you're not from the United States, right, You're from Canada?

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Speaker 1: same time that we see this kind of action. I

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Speaker 2: I mean I would say that this does not happen

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why you're seeing elected officials on

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, it's impossible to know, and frankly, it's

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Speaker 2: But I would point out that Donald Trump did say

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Speaker 2: So he is already here. He is in town. His

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Speaker 1: Kayley, thank you very much for joining us. I know

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Speaker 1: you were going to let me go in saying that

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Speaker 1: you were from outside the country and not correct me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Kaylee Lines there

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Speaker 1: Daybreak Asia. So we have the President speaking about trying

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Speaker 1: know when he will actually speak? Is it likely before

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Speaker 3: We do not know.

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Speaker 4: You know, he is expected to have his big speech,

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Speaker 4: you know, his sort of accepting the nomination speech on

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Speaker 4: Thursday evening. It is possible he could say something before then.

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Speaker 4: You know, really the whole week has been thrown into

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Speaker 4: a bit of chaos, obviously after you know, the attempted

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Speaker 4: a briefing from the Secret Service earlier today. They say, look,

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Speaker 4: going to continue with the plan that we have. So

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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of uh, you know, sort of

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Speaker 4: in the wake of such a terrible event, you know,

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Speaker 1: Laura, in your own reporting, are you finding people willing

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Speaker 1: to talk here? I mean, is it easy for you

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Speaker 1: to get access to Paul's out there and uh and

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Speaker 1: actually many in society to to voice what they what

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Speaker 1: they think is happening with the country.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, really the streets of Milwaukee right now

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Speaker 4: are crawling with people who really love and care and

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Speaker 4: are passionate about politics and political discourse. You know, just

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Speaker 4: going through the airport this morning, walking around the streets here,

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Speaker 4: there are members of Congress. There are local party chairs there,

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Speaker 4: And people are happy and willing to talk about this,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I think kind of recognize that this

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Speaker 4: changing moment.

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Speaker 1: So are you hearing more hope or disillusionment there?

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Speaker 4: It is a mix of the two. One, there is

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Speaker 4: some hope that perhaps this is a wake up call,

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Speaker 4: but also disillusionment that this keeps happening in many different ways,

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Speaker 4: and yet you know, we seem powerless to stop it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Laura. I was going to ask you,

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Speaker 1: is there a greater job that you know of? But

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Speaker 1: we don't have time. I know what your answer would be.

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