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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? DJ here from Move the Sticks along

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Speaker 1: as iTunes. The Around the NFL Podcast has nine problems,

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Speaker 1: but Free Agency eight. Welcome back to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Answers

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by Room Felder heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. Wow. This this feels offensive

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Speaker 1: and so does it? Is this offensive? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I typed in popular Japanese music and this kid is

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Speaker 1: I think it's catchy. Yeah, what's up? Boys? Who is this?

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Speaker 1: Did you? Who is the recording artist? I should give

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Speaker 1: them credit? That feels fair, and I will tell you

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Speaker 1: who it is in one moment. Well, I know, I

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Speaker 1: know a decent I don't really know it, but uh,

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Speaker 1: Chemica listened to some J pop and some K pop.

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Speaker 1: It's a first of all, I was offended that your

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Speaker 1: this is Carrie Palm you, Palm you. A song is

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Speaker 1: called Po Po Poon. I'm sure she's the Kanye West

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Speaker 1: of Japan. Welcome back, buddy, thank you. It's a great,

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Speaker 1: great time. I feel very good there was I feel honored.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. You guys were cranking them out while I

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Speaker 1: floating on. We did two shows last week without you.

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Speaker 1: I missed last week's show last Thursday show with my

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Speaker 1: B minus. What Wow, it's a good great you were there.

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Speaker 1: You would have not given it anything below a B plus.

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Speaker 1: Well you graded it in A before a pretty great

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Speaker 1: A minus before the show itself. You know, Dan definitely

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Speaker 1: and roots against the one season not in. No, the

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Speaker 1: metrics don't measure out that way. If they could, I would,

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Speaker 1: But no, it was an enjoyable show. Greg. It would

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Speaker 1: I like them tight sometimes and when we don't have

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Speaker 1: a ton to talk about or whatever. Nothing wrong with leaving.

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Speaker 1: I think we actually covered it was a pretty chocked newsday.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of news items we just we rolled.

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Speaker 1: That might have been the shortest podcast we've had in

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Speaker 1: half years. There's an interesting theory on the old Reddit

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, maybe and allow them to breathe to

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Speaker 1: professional and colleens the host, so maybe that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's just a more professional type show. But thank you

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox Today's show, the first show with the full group.

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Speaker 1: Uh in sometime, Accuse me, I could have given you

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Speaker 1: some good Uh what was wrong with that song? Listen

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Speaker 1: to that? Marc? Is this something you would listen to

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Speaker 1: in your free time? Would? I? Absolutely? Why not? It

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Speaker 1: enough J pop. That's fair. Okay, Today's show is a

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Speaker 1: good one. I like it. I look forward to being

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Speaker 1: by Comma sell Comma hold. Offseason narratives, so throughout some

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Speaker 1: hello to the man behind the glass of Irish Heritage,

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Speaker 1: Randon McGinnis. We call him the Irishmanton somebody. I'm good?

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Speaker 1: This decision has been made, Greg, you weren't even in

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Speaker 1: great roster. And that's why they shouldn't get rid of

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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis. And that's why it doesn't surprise me that

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Speaker 1: they're trying to keep them there. Fifty two and twenty

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Speaker 1: seven in the last five years. So they're not just

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Speaker 1: winning games, they're getting better each year. They're winning eleven.

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Speaker 1: Now they're winning twelve games. The rosters loaded, so you

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Speaker 1: better be you better be sure who you're placing Marvin

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Speaker 1: Lewis with before you before you get rid of them.

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Speaker 1: By the way, all their good assistants have left them well,

436
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Speaker 1: and he has a lot to do with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he he hasn't won a playoff game, but he is

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Speaker 1: a legitimate coaching tree. You got Hugh Jackson at this point,

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer, J Gruden. I mean, I I have no

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Speaker 1: problem with keeping Marvel's Marvin Lewis around. I he you know,

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Speaker 1: I've made fun of him before and the in the

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Speaker 1: Bengals this and that. But I'll say this about about

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, like if they from growing up. When we

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Speaker 1: watched the Bengals back during that horrible stretch from the

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Speaker 1: post Super Bowl, post Boomer Siason teams all the way

446
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Speaker 1: until about half till Marvin Lewis, he had his ups

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Speaker 1: and downs tub up until about two thousand three. It

448
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Speaker 1: was a disaster and they were a joke and they're

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Speaker 1: not a joke. Today they are not. There are other

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Speaker 1: teams filling that filling that role well, and he he

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Speaker 1: has more power than anyone not named Brown in the

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Speaker 1: history of that franchise. And there was a wild press

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Speaker 1: conference in two thousand and eleven after they almost fired

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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis after four and twelve season and he was

455
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Speaker 1: expected to go take another job. Didn't happen, and they

456
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Speaker 1: had a press conference where the two Mike Brown and

457
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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis are sitting there and they're both piste off.

458
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Speaker 1: They're piste off at each other, they're sniping at each other.

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Speaker 1: There were reports that Marvin Lewis really pushed Mike Brown

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Speaker 1: to get more power in the organization, to get more

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Speaker 1: concessions in terms of scouting and different things that were

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. And oh, by the way, since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven, that's when they're fifty two and twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: that's when they've drafted really well. So it's you gotta

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Speaker 1: give Lewis some credit for that. Mark. By the way,

466
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Speaker 1: were you referring to this, well, Marvin Lewis is an idiot.

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Speaker 1: I was, And I was also referring to two annual

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Speaker 1: meetings ago when I almost kind of got into a

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Speaker 1: fight with Marvin Lewis about Andy Dalton because I was

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Speaker 1: pushing for Dalton to not be even on the team

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Speaker 1: anymore at that point, but honestly, like he has grown

472
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Speaker 1: over time, almost got into a fight. It was Marvin

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Speaker 1: Lewis aware of this or was he was very annoyed

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Speaker 1: with me because I kept going fight the same question.

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Speaker 1: I felt antagonism. But at this point, I I think

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Speaker 1: that Marvin Lewis and you talked about it on on

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Speaker 1: Friday too, or when this happened? Was this the whole

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Speaker 1: internal scouting that it was this? It was a nightmare,

479
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Speaker 1: and he's shown that he can run a very successful

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Speaker 1: scouting outfit. Over the last five years, if not more,

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Speaker 1: He and his coaching staff are more involved with the

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Speaker 1: personnel decisions in Cincinnati than just about any coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. By the way, you know, it's a nailed it,

484
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Speaker 1: big polarizing story if it it wakes Greg from his

485
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Speaker 1: Twitter slumber post Japan. Yeah, were you in Japan when

486
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Speaker 1: that when you wrote that, I had just got back

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Speaker 1: home and you know most of my family was sleeping,

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Speaker 1: you know, after after the flight, and you know, I

489
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Speaker 1: just wanted to dive back in with the hottest topic

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Speaker 1: in the league. Were you recognized in Japan or was

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Speaker 1: Anthony jessel Nick your friend? Well, yeah, Jessel Nick, co

492
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Speaker 1: host of The Rosenthal Justin Nick Vanity Project R Now

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Speaker 1: not at all. Uh, yeah, he came with me. He

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Speaker 1: was recognized a couple of times. He was recognized a

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Speaker 1: couple of times by by Americans or Canadians. But that

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Speaker 1: we're that we're in Japan. But a couple of times

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Speaker 1: we went to this thing called the Hope. That felt

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Speaker 1: good for him. I mean, I don't think he seeks

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Speaker 1: it out. I'm just saying it's good to be He

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Speaker 1: seems to want to cut it down or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: when he turned around and then introduce you as my

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Speaker 1: friend and NFL reporter, and he's trying he's trying to

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Speaker 1: end the interaction as fast as possible. But we were

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Speaker 1: at this, uh, we were at this thing called the

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Speaker 1: Robot Restaurant. If you're ever in Japan, where you would

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Speaker 1: like this one Dan where robots it's it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a play where robots and sea creatures and animals are

508
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Speaker 1: fighting against each other all while driven by by human women.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's very strange. It sounds remarkably stupid but

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Speaker 1: also intriguing. Yeah, it was a lot of fun people

511
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Speaker 1: getting very drunk there. Moving on, let's Lashawn McCoy's alleged

512
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Speaker 1: UH connection to an offseason bar fight is unlikely to

513
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Speaker 1: cost him any time on the field. In twenty sixteen,

514
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Speaker 1: rap Sheet reported Monday, citing two sources with knowledge of

515
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Speaker 1: the situation, that the star running back is not expected

516
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Speaker 1: to face NFL discipline UH in the brawl that occurred

517
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and involved two off duty police officers who

518
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Speaker 1: got jacked up in the fight. UH. The league's investigation

519
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Speaker 1: of the incident is ongoing, but the belief is that

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Speaker 1: McCoy will avoid a suspension. This is perhaps a surprise

521
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Speaker 1: to the Bills. Rep report reported that Buffalo had planned

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Speaker 1: all off season for some sort of McCoy band. So

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Speaker 1: it looks like our friend Shady is gonna escape completely

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Speaker 1: on a bar brawl in which cops got uh their

525
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Speaker 1: ribs busted in and you know, the orbital socket blasted

526
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Speaker 1: and all sorts of UH madness. Shady skates teflon, Shady

527
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Speaker 1: tired of Shady McCoy Philadelphia City. Obviously, that could be

528
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Speaker 1: year pick Shady McCoy for what not, that the guys

529
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Speaker 1: not to talk about. Oh, they not have to come

530
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Speaker 1: off Victor Cruton. Well, I mean Colleen, Colleen ripped into

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Speaker 1: this story last week and she pulled out, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: an array of corruption inside the Philadelphia Police Department. In

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Speaker 1: another in their defense, I think she was reading a

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Speaker 1: press release by the uh p B a of Policeman

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Speaker 1: Benevolent Association. Yeah, the policemen were annoyed that one of

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Speaker 1: the higher it was it it was a d a

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Speaker 1: guy or someone like that has you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: a catalog of photos of him with athletes, and he

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Speaker 1: was overseeing this and suddenly too beaten up, you know,

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Speaker 1: uh cops or they're they're out, they're out on their

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Speaker 1: own because Shady McCoy, God forbid we you know, do

542
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Speaker 1: anything with him. Well, it's good to see nice guys

543
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Speaker 1: finished first. Well that's fair. Um, speaking of nice guys,

544
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: this is a killer transition. By the way, former Brown's

545
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Speaker 1: quarterback Johnny Manziel has spotted outside the Nice Guy Club

546
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Speaker 1: in Hollywood this weekend, where he seemed to suggest he

547
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Speaker 1: was living with Brocco star Von Miller. Here's a direct

548
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: quote from Manzel who has been partying literally every night

549
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Speaker 1: the past week. In holiday to Johnny Menzel, he said,

550
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Speaker 1: I'm living out here with my guy, von Miller. Manziel said,

551
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Speaker 1: everybody knows von Miller's Super Bowl MVP, super Bowl m

552
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: VV von Miller, my brother. What are you talking about.

553
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm living with him right now. We're getting our life together. Okay, okay.

554
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Speaker 1: First of all, von Miller doesn't have to get his

555
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Speaker 1: life together. Von Miller is a rich, successful professional football

556
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Speaker 1: player that just single handedly won a Super Bowl. You

557
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: gotta get your life together, buddy. And the other funny

558
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Speaker 1: thing about this is, uh, this was now refuted that

559
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Speaker 1: they're living in the same city. Apparently Von Miller's in

560
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Speaker 1: l A. But Manzielle and Miller are not living together. However,

561
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: Mark he does have a roommate. Reports percolating before we

562
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Speaker 1: went upstairs that it's Josh Gordon who's living with Johnny

563
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Speaker 1: Menzel who's drinking every night. This seems like a bad idea, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it does, and I feel for Greg who, minutes ago

565
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Speaker 1: um with urgency, asked that we maybe skipped the Jets

566
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Speaker 1: and Brown's talk and we're all that's all we've done.

567
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: But you know, the the Gordon re reinstatement and all

568
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: that has been held up and people didn't know why,

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Speaker 1: and and and I'd have to ask that if the

570
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Speaker 1: NFL had a hint of this going back a few weeks,

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Speaker 1: that this is where he is. That for all the

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Speaker 1: defense that I've made of Josh Gordon for getting, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: banged for drinking a beer in an airplane, if this

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Speaker 1: is your decision making, and this is who you're hanging

575
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: out with, you don't clearly understand how an appeal reinstatement

576
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: process would work. This could you could not pick a

577
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Speaker 1: worse thing to do then go a go live off

578
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Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard and be live with Johnny Manzel? Are your

579
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Speaker 1: kidney worse decisions? By the way, Manzel, who is now

580
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: speaking to TMZ and drinking, telling them and he's been

581
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: about drinking and it's like it's okay to party. You

582
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: just can't. You can't go out of control and not

583
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Speaker 1: understanding how bad that looks. Or Gordon, who's living with

584
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Speaker 1: the guy that's openly a party animal. That's up for

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Speaker 1: Did everyone watch this video because a Manzel is in

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Speaker 1: From what I could tell, this is just me guessing

587
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Speaker 1: he did not at all look to be when hundred

588
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Speaker 1: percent sober at all doing that video. It looks like

589
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: a dirt big I just think that Manziel is completely

590
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: he there was no real lodge, just like a hundred

591
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: sixty pounds soaking wet too. It's like this guy does

592
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: not look like a professional athlete training to save his career. Well,

593
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Speaker 1: let any bros. Did he dropped in this interview? Right?

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Speaker 1: This is incredible. Manzel, who said he's been out in

595
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Speaker 1: West Hollywood five six ninths in a row, said he

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Speaker 1: doesn't think NFL teams have a problem with his partying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with partying, Bro. There's

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Speaker 1: a difference between partying and being out of control. This

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Speaker 1: guy's long. That's fine if you're David Ealely, but this

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Speaker 1: is Manzel. Well it. In Manzel's defense, he did make

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Speaker 1: a really um, impassioned and convincing pitch to the Broncos

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Speaker 1: during this interview that I think that I think could

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Speaker 1: win them over just talking about them. So the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: John Elway, great dude, Kubiak, Aggie, my man, Aggie, my

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Speaker 1: man listen, great organization. Anywhere I get picked up, Bro

606
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Speaker 1: as a blessing somewhere. Bro, whatever happens, I love ball.

607
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I want to play, and that's the team I want

608
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Speaker 1: to go to. I mean, they're they got to be

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Speaker 1: listening to that. They mean I always getting on the

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Speaker 1: phone first thing Monday morning. They had a big conference

611
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: room meeting and like, all right, this guy is hungry.

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00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to be here, he wants to

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Speaker 1: be in the building. And I think this is the

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Speaker 1: guy we bring in two defender title. Uh, that guy's lost.

615
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: Maybe we should have a manzielm moratorium on the pod

616
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: for a while. I think that would be an absolutely

617
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: great idea. And we should not have multiple brand stories

618
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Speaker 1: in the news. That that's good, okay, and that's what's

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Speaker 1: happening in the news. All right, guys, Uh, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about it. There's narratives all over the place in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere you look, there's a narrative. You look up in

622
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Speaker 1: the sky, you look under a rug, you look in

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Speaker 1: the closet, boom pops out at you. Narrative bra As

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel might say, So, let's talk about some narratives

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Speaker 1: and well, you know, basically call bs on some narratives

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Speaker 1: or maybe perhaps we'll agree with some narratives. But you know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I wouldn't call it a pre production

628
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Speaker 1: meeting by any any stretch. But a lot of these narratives,

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Speaker 1: I got the idea will be a lot of pooh

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Speaker 1: pooing on various narratives, which is more fun. So I

631
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Speaker 1: like it. You know, we're gonna buy seller hole else

632
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Speaker 1: I like. I like Mark's new wardrobe. Oh yeah, he

633
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Speaker 1: has the entire Tiger Woods collection. Polo uh for this

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Speaker 1: is from your annual be Yeah, I have what I

635
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Speaker 1: have what I'm wearing, pink Tiger Wood shirt. It's a

636
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: free shirt and my wardrobe desperately needed an injection of life.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I didn't even know it was

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Speaker 1: a Tiger Words shirt until it was pointed out to me. Yeah,

639
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out the first one ever in this game,

640
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I am selling the narrative of Mark stumbling around in

641
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: the dark at five thirty in the morning that we

642
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: hear each time. I think you liked this shirt. You know,

643
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: I think you pick your shirts. You know, this whole

644
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: in the dark dressing thing you've used you're talking about.

645
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: I basically I have a shift, you know, on Mondays

646
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: because Kevin Patras at at the bars by ten am

647
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Chicago time, where I'm coming in at six thirty and

648
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: on the white board. Yeah yeah, well no, yeah, right

649
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: to say. So it's like, I'm in my in my bedroom. Yeah,

650
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm in my bed. Now, you're right. It doesn't work hard,

651
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: and it's this isn't really about Patrick. It's uh, I'm

652
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: in my I'm in my bedroom and I'm looking for

653
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: clothing in the middle of the darkness because I don't

654
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: want to wake the whole family. And this shirt, if

655
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you could see it on screen, it's like an outrageous,

656
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: like peached pink color and in the middle of the night,

657
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: if you open my clothing jewer, it glows. And so

658
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I know what that shirt is. It's

659
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: acceptable for a Monday. I'm I mean, I'm just I'm

660
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna do that. That's what it is. Dan, Dan's taking

661
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it pick. I'll put it on a Twitter afterwards. Mark

662
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: also wearing a brand new pair of Levies. His buns

663
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: look great in its yeah, the nice dark black, and

664
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Mark usually rides a couple of pairs that he sticks

665
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: with for years. These are brand new and I look

666
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: forward to them. Being in the rotation for a long

667
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: time to come thank you. I mean it's you know,

668
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: the first time I went shopping in about three years.

669
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm buying Mark in that shirt. By the way, I

670
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: think he looks fantastic enough said, yeah, look like a

671
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: guy who could be you know some South Florida strip

672
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: clubs just like tiger Woods. Welcome back. That's the encouragement

673
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm seeking from my boss. That's what you missed Greg Mark. Well,

674
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: Greg was out. That was a tiger Wood shot. For

675
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: any of you to take that as a Sessler shot

676
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: is insane. He was in Raton recently. All right, let's

677
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: get into it, guys. So we're gonna throw out some

678
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: narratives and then uh, well, you know, I'll throw it

679
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: to you guys. I'll be um, you know, kind of

680
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: moderating it, but I'll get involved too, because it's, you know,

681
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: that's what we do. I'm not what you would call,

682
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, the typical host. Put it that way. I

683
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: like to be in the mix. I'm not just here

684
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to set you guys up and go on your glory

685
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: boy parades. Okay, we weren't questioning it, but you've made

686
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: that abundantly clear. Thank you. You're like a shoot first

687
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: point guard. Yeah that sounds I'll sign up. All right,

688
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: here we go. We'll start with Hugh Jackson. No, I

689
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: was talking about the Browns again. This happened, Sorry, Greg,

690
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson uh quote felt the earth move beneath his

691
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: feet during r G three's workout prior to signing the

692
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: quarterback Chris Westling. That is the narrative that Hugh Jackson

693
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: is in love with r G three's talent and the

694
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: opportunity at a major comeback effort in beyond buying, selling

695
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: or holding. I don't even know what holding is. Go

696
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: ahead either. I think I'm gonna sell this. There's some

697
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: part I believe that I believe that r G three

698
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: looks good in the workout. I really believe that he's

699
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: got the tools. I think he looks great. I think

700
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna draft a quarterback at number two overall,

701
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: and I think r G three I'm not rolling out

702
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: like a comeback season. I'm rolling out his ability to

703
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: stay healthy because he can't slide and doesn't know when

704
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: to throw the ball with it. So you don't believe

705
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: the earth actually moved. I don't believe that it literally,

706
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I don't think Cleveland has much

707
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: tectonic plate action. He's a salesman and every even here

708
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: he talks about he talks in glowing terms. I've noticed, right,

709
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: he's a John Gourden was like this too. Johnny Sunshine

710
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of John Gordon. And I

711
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: believe this This was an off the record thing, but

712
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: just the thing is coming from from the coaching staff,

713
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: and and Hugh he's gonna sell it. And why I

714
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: guess why not. It's also lying season, so the Browns

715
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: they might be in love with the quarterback, but if

716
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: they're putting it out there, oh my god, r G

717
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: three is two thousand twelve RG three, maybe just maybe

718
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: someone buys it there. You gotta be careful with that

719
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: because I think players are people around the team. It

720
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: did not help John Gruden that he would always be

721
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: talking up his players right before he cut them. Eventually

722
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: they turned out, and I don't think that helped r

723
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: G three either. Who lower the expectations as far as

724
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: they can go down and then hopefully he exceeds. You

725
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: wanted to build him up again like that. Uh, here

726
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: we go. The Rams the Los Angeles Rams are comfortable

727
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: with Case Keenan at quarterback. We keep on hearing that

728
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: the Rams they like Case they think he's the answer

729
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: over Nick Foles, and we don't need anybody else, so

730
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: don't look our way come the draft. In Chicago, Mark buying,

731
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: selling it, selling or holding. I don't agree with their stance,

732
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: but I am buying it. It's not that I think

733
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: long term they think Case keenum is the answer, but

734
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I think that going into this season, they've made literally

735
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: zero push and free agency to even look at any

736
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: available quarterbacks. There's been little, very little talk about them

737
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: going quarterback in the draft. There have been some whispers

738
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: about them being a candidate to move up to get

739
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: one of the quarterbacks, but until that happens, I don't agree.

740
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: But I think that they feel that they're in this

741
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: type of team where with their defense and their running game,

742
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: that if their quarterbacks stays healthy for sixteen games, that's

743
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: what they've missed all along. Again a failed theory, and

744
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay for it. I'm buying that. I think

745
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: I'm selling this one too. I think you're gonna see

746
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: Paxton Lanser Connor Cook in Los Angeles or who knows

747
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: they could trade up there at fifteen. It's not that

748
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: if they actually are buying on case Keenum, they're way

749
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: more loss than I even thought because they have to

750
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: know that Keenum' is a limited guy. They just went

751
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: so hard to sell it that it's it seems a

752
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: weird move to not believe it at all and go

753
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: that hard to sell it. I'm I'm I'm gonna surprise you.

754
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm holding I found something that you could hold, because

755
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: I think I think they are selling I mean, I

756
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: think they do believe it because they know they might

757
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: not have a choice. That maybe in their perfect world

758
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: they would love to move up, and but they know

759
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: that's not the reality of how things work. Those guys

760
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: might get taken one too. You know, things haven't worked

761
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: out this offseason, so I wouldn't rule out them doing something.

762
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: But they have to be all right. I mean, Daniel,

763
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: it sounds like Nick Foles isn't gonna be on the

764
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: team there. Pro Football Talk reported that over the week

765
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: in our GM round Table slash call at one GM

766
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: calls up another game, Peyton Manning tried very very hard

767
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: to sell himself to less Need and less Snee would

768
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: have none of it. It was actually one of those

769
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: things where you felt bad because you allegend to hear

770
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: him begging for a job after a brilliant career. Yeah,

771
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: it was disheartening. It was tough, all right, here's another one.

772
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: John Elway has earned the benefit of the doubt. We

773
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: should all trust his process at quarterback. Guess what, guys,

774
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm selling everybody calmed down with John Elway is infallible

775
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: because he's had some nice seasons Peyton Manning and then

776
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: just want a ring with one of the best defenses ever,

777
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: which he helped build, of course, but he couldn't handle

778
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: He's handled his situation poorly. The Brock thing was a mess.

779
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: The Peyton thing lasted too long and hung around too long.

780
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: And now he's playing this like weird perverted dance with

781
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Trent Balky And I don't like how this is playing

782
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: out because that we're like, it's just gross, and we're

783
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: creeping into the off season programs and it's I'm getting

784
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: a weird image of Balky, you away grinding at a

785
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: nightclub with uh with power. What was the what was

786
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: the And now you've given us that image? Thank you,

787
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: greg In no way. Should you not be thinking it's

788
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: gross because it is. It's a perverted It's like the Lombada.

789
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I think they're friends, though. I think that's why this

790
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: is able to go on so long, is that they

791
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: have a good read. I guess what they got. Two

792
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: teams being held hostage by it, and it's going on

793
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: too long and cut it. Elway, you doing a bad

794
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: job of this. You gotta defend the title, and you're

795
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna make Mark sach As your quarterback potentially. Come on you,

796
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm buying every bit of this. Elway sitting back in

797
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: his leather recliner in his office on the table and

798
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: a stokey because he has evaluated every one of these

799
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks correctly so far, but none of them is the solution.

800
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: That's why he's waiting for something to happen. But well,

801
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: once he got he's been in seven Super Bowls. He did.

802
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I think turning Tim Tebow into Peyton Manning was the

803
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: most brilliant free agent move I've ever seen. Not only

804
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: did you get rid of your Tebow problem with everyone

805
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: and everyone in Denver is an acolyte and just rooting

806
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: for Tebow. He got rid of that problem and pulled

807
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: off one of the best signings of all time. Well,

808
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: you make it sound like he chose not to keep

809
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: brock Ostweller. I think John Elway has been so good

810
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: at convincing free agents on what he wants them to

811
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: do that he maybe got overconfident. He wanted the brock

812
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Osweller in the worst way seen million dollars a year.

813
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna hold because I don't think I'm just

814
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna hold everything because you can't. I don't think you

815
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: can sell it yet until you see what happens. If

816
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: he ends up getting Kaepernick at the price he wants,

817
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: then you have to give him credit. I think though

818
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: something you just said speaks to what what Wesley said

819
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: about him able to evaluate quarterbacks. Yes, they wanted brock Oslo,

820
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: they were not about to pay what Houston was the

821
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: next one up. The a f C South is on

822
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the rise? Buying selling or Greg Please hold? Okay, go ahead,

823
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: I am selling that. This is just another fun off seasons.

824
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: This is a fun off season story. They are more

825
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: interesting to watch. I guess if you wanted to say

826
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: they're on the rise, because there they could be a

827
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: little better than they were. Sure, But if I'm right.

828
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: In the four divisions, I think they're the worst division

829
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: in the a f C. And I think they don't

830
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: not really have a team that's a title contender. Sure,

831
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: anyone could win that division, but I think the Texans

832
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: might not be much better at all. Uh, it wouldn't

833
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: surprise me if they're worse next year. So I think

834
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: it's a it's a more interesting division. I don't see

835
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: it as on the rise. I'd take the West or

836
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: the North or the East. Well, I'm buying because we're

837
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: not saying that they're gonna peak as a division this

838
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: upcoming season. But they cannot be any worse than they

839
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: were last year, and the year before that they were worse.

840
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: I do think they're like multiple teams. Half these half

841
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: the teams were talking about didn't have a serviceable quarterback

842
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: three seasons ago. Now all four teams have quarterbacks. You

843
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: can at least say, give you hope to build and

844
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: and I and I like the patients in Jackson In Jacksonville,

845
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: Tennessee's coaching situations a little muddled, but Houston and the

846
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Cults getting under luck back. Yes, I think they're on

847
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: the rise. I think we're not going to look at

848
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: them back as the worst division in a laughing stock

849
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: after this season. I'm buying this that already happened. They're

850
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: not a laughing stock now they a couple of years

851
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: of South laughing stock. South. They're on the rise. Tennessee

852
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to make them interesting. Now they have

853
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting young quarterbacks in the league.

854
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: They've got They signed a couple of guys in free agency.

855
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: Get to Marco Murray Jackson, Oh yeah, get to Marco Murray.

856
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: That will make an see him exciting in two thousand

857
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: and six team. All right, But you know you say

858
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: that this year. Last offseason, you would have said he's

859
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: coming off the Offensive Player of the Year award. And

860
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: then look at Jacksonville. We said for years they've got

861
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: what two above average starters on the entire roster. Now

862
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: you know they signed four or five guys in free

863
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: agency were above average and developed some of their own.

864
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: In Houston, I think is a playoff team, So I

865
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: definitely think they're on the rise. I guess Houston and

866
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: India are the keys to this because they are supposed

867
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: both supposed to be kind of playoff teams potentially, and

868
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: then the other teams just need to kind of hover

869
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: and get closer. I think the other two teams are

870
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: the key because Jacksonville, when what their offense is potentially

871
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: becoming is, isn't extremely interesting. And if Bordles in Mariota,

872
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: if they become what we think, then that whole division

873
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: becomes crazy. I I agree that they're more interesting, but

874
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: the second best the fence in that division is who knows.

875
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: And to me, you're not on the rise if you're

876
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the worst division in the conference. So I don't I

877
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: don't think you can be on the rise if if

878
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: you're still fourth. You gotta you gotta first, Yeah, fourth,

879
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: the third past one of them. I'm buying on Mariota,

880
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: but I'm holding on Blake still. Let's Blake Bortles finished

881
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: second in the league in touchdowns last year, but I

882
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: think we know, I think we know that Blake Bortles

883
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: wasn't truly a stud last year. Let's look at how

884
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: many of those touchdowns came up. It barely mattered. He's

885
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: still he's still developing. You are right about the touchdowns,

886
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of reason to like

887
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: play portals. All right, here we go. The Eagles are

888
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: serious about moving up to the first overall pick. A

889
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: lot of buzz about the Tycoons trading out of that

890
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: pick and the Eagles moving in. Mark buy and sell

891
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: and holding. I am buying it. I don't know if

892
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's gonna happen. It's very hard

893
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: to come into her that kind of swap. But they

894
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: do seem, and we've heard this from multiple places, that

895
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: they are in love with one of the quarterbacks and

896
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: that they and that you're not gonna go to number

897
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: one if it's not after one of the quarterbacks, And

898
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: so I buy it. I'm sure that it sounds like

899
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: they've probably been on the phone with Tennessee, and if

900
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: the compensation is right, there's a chance they're not one

901
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: of these teams that has to move up from you know,

902
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: the spot or something. It's lying season. I don't buy

903
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: any pre draft talk exactly. I'm selling, but if these

904
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: trades do happen, then they're talking is happening. But I

905
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: think if the Eagles, if this is getting out there,

906
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: and I was forced to just wildly guess why, it

907
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: would be because the Eagles want people to trade into

908
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: their number eight position. That's it. That people think they're

909
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: in the quarterback market. So to hey, we're we're a

910
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: team that that could take a quarterbacks, you better trade

911
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: to to us that that's the only reason why this

912
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: gets out there. I think at this point in the year,

913
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's like the Rams and Todd

914
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: Gurley last year. You never heard a peep about about that.

915
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: I think if if it was something they really wanted

916
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: to do, we wouldn't know about it. Brandon behind the glass,

917
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: eight o'clock the light Please. The Saints could draft Jared

918
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: Goff or another quarterback high in draft greg that I'm

919
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: buying Freeze could be in his last year. I think.

920
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: I think they just dropped to a quarterback last year.

921
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Take another one? Uh? Could J J. Watt retire from

922
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: the NFL Early West? Guess what I am selling? Because

923
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: there's a new Watt story every week? Are you paying attention?

924
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Last week he played five toward corn muscles. He's looking

925
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: for Gloria. Next up, Marvin Lewis Bengals will Bury playoff

926
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: loss later this month when the O t s began, Mark, Yes,

927
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: I think I think teams do that. Yes, I buy that.

928
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm selling there there they're gonna stuck with ghosts. Is

929
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: he gonna bury the ball? That's a that's a person

930
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: to person scenario. But okay, don't you feel like they're

931
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: not wonder too. A couple of players on the team

932
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: might still get angry about it. A big chunk of

933
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: the rosters moved on. I mean, but that January, it

934
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: comes in there eleven and five, it's still sticking with him.

935
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: They gotta win. In January, Big Ben sheds pounds with

936
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: quote high cardio workout Greg. Come October, he's gonna be

937
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: a big old beefy bat. I am buying it has

938
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: been medically proven cardio workouts help you to lose weight. Finally,

939
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: Tony Romo says he is healed and ready for O

940
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: t A s Mark. Yeah, I think he is. You're

941
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna break that collobone again with you. I don't want

942
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: it to happen. It's gonna never like he's an old car.

943
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: I've never seen you happier to say anything than to

944
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: excuse me. You're like, I'm a well known He's like,

945
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: he gotta break his cord of bone again. Um, I'm

946
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: a well known Romo apologist. But I do feel like

947
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: the end is near and I do think the Cowboys

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: will uh live to regret it if they don't take

949
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: advantage of their high draft standing and get somebody else

950
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: in the bill thing. I can throw the ball, we'll see.

951
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: We need to have one. We need to have one

952
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: more Tony Romo playoff run. I would love if there's

953
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: been a ton of them, but we need to have

954
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: one at the end of his career. That would be

955
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: one of my favorite non jets, like dream subplots and

956
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: him going through the NFC playoffs and shocking people. And

957
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: and by the way, Wes, I know you don't like

958
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because of Gregg Hardy, but do they get

959
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: any of us thinking about this the other day? Do

960
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: they get any credit for realizing they made a mistake

961
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: and completely distancing themselves from him and almost being open

962
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: and and and admitting their mistake that they've had no

963
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: thoughts about bringing back a little bit of credit. No,

964
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: because have they come out and said that Jason Garrett

965
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: all but said Greg Hardy was poison at the compe

966
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: didn't say that, Well, he's not gonna right. But I

967
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: would give them credit if they owned up to their mistake,

968
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: but they haven't. And Jerry Jones has said, well, he's

969
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: still an option. Oh he didn't, he ain't come noo.

970
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, all right, if you want, Why should

971
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: I give them credit for like basically ignoring the story?

972
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm greg, you know what I'm saying, right, I think

973
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: they deserve a small modicum of credit for not resigning him,

974
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: assuming it doesn't happen despite him being star. Why do

975
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I need to give the Cowboys credit for not and

976
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: it's an obvious roster need and they're still saying no,

977
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: they course corrected, they you know, not early on in

978
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: the in the matter, but yes, because I guess we

979
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: would have to give all thirty one other teams double

980
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: credit because they didn't sign him the first time. I'm

981
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: no team is perfect when it comes to you know,

982
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to bring in guys. Sometimes we overlook character.

983
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: I just don't think I think it would be unfair

984
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: if West held Hardy over the Cowboys head for another season.

985
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: That's all. I don't know. That's fine, I get that,

986
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm must. I feel very strongly about people. All make mistakes,

987
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: we all do. I feel very strongly about people who

988
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: refused to show any remorse or contrition. Alright, so good talk,

989
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: good talk, West. Just like to check in with you

990
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: on certain things. Ever, thank you, um, sorry about your

991
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: Spurs last night. Yeah, that was a tough one, but

992
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: the night ended better from what I understand. What's the

993
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: up shot that they're not following at all? Still in

994
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: the playoffs and everything, right, of course, but they had

995
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: a chance to go forty one A and oh at

996
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: home and the Golden State Warriors knocked them off at

997
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: the almost. We're at the point when we were talking

998
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: about regular season NBA basketball. Well it's historic, Mark, Yeah,

999
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: it's Mark. There are other sports. I'm just saying, like,

1000
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk NBA, let's talk playoffs. I mean,

1001
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: the regular season of that interminably long campaign is ridiculous.

1002
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you got it out of you. Well,

1003
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: you love NBA regular season, the action you sign up

1004
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: for that. We we gotta go because Greg has a meeting.

1005
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: But I will say that the the Golden State Warriors

1006
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: going into that game or seventy one and nine one

1007
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: win to tie the Bulls for the all time wins record.

1008
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: On the other side, the Spurs are thirty nine and

1009
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: oh at home. No team has ever went undefeated in

1010
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: the whole season at home historic ramifications for both franchises

1011
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: in the regular season. That's a pretty good game to watch.

1012
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: I watched it. I don't disagree. I just I'm just

1013
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: saying record ratings in December or something. I'm with your

1014
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: record ratings. I don't care about. That's not the selling point.

1015
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: That would be a good offseason pod where you just

1016
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: kind of riff on all the different sports that you

1017
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: just like regular seasons of the playoffs, they got it

1018
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: all going on. Have a nice time. But I mean,

1019
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: give me a break. We will be back. What's do

1020
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: the three pods this week? Why not? Is everyone okay

1021
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: with that? Sure? Why not? Are you okay with that? Yeah?

1022
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Let's do it right? Okay, We'll be back on Wednesday

1023
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: with another edition of Around the NFL podcast that's coming

1024
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: on Saturday and one I like that. Let's do that

1025
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: seven days of podcast this week. No, we won't be

1026
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: doing that, but yeah, we'll be back on Wednesday with

1027
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: another show. H Until then, this is Dan hands As

1028
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm. There's history in the NBA

1029
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: taking place. The Mailman, the Boss, Welcome Back, and the

1030
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: Irishman behind the Glass till Wednesday, M has nine nine problems.

1031
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: But free agency isn't war. It's not isn't I think

1032
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be AT but wrote this