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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Red Bluis. What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by Zack's bes, d J.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Rett back with you. How we do boys, good Man.

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Speaker 1: Great weekend. We had a chance to see some of

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Speaker 1: We'll see that plays out down the stretch. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of interesting quarterback storylines to follow,

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Speaker 1: start with the Sunday night game. He's he takeaway here.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes magnificent again. Darryll Williams the lone set back. Raiders

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Speaker 1: with ninety seconds stuff is too much time. And what

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Speaker 1: of games when you give them extra opportunities. The Raiders

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Speaker 1: leaves you wondering, right like, what else could the Raiders

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Speaker 1: of a game. Like long term thinking, it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is for the franchise, because DJ, we've talked about this.

430
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Speaker 1: You want to play the young quarterback this year his

431
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Speaker 1: rookie year, So now we know next year how we

432
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Speaker 1: can best support him with the personnel that we can

433
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Speaker 1: add to the team. I understand the playoffs are out there, dangly,

434
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: it's a carrey this dang that, Hey we can win

435
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: the division and those things. Well, if that was your

436
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Speaker 1: mind set, then go with Ryan Fitzpatrick and just you know,

437
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 1: row with him. But I think the yo yo act

438
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. I just don't think you can do it

439
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Speaker 1: and win. Uh. This is saying when you have two quarterbacks,

440
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Speaker 1: that means you have no quarterback. And if that's what

441
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: you really feel like, then I think that's an indictment

442
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: on either how you evaluated to when you made the

443
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Speaker 1: move to elevate him to the starter, and also how

444
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Speaker 1: you look at round Fitzpatrick when you didn't feel like

445
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 1: he was good enough to get you over the threshhold.

446
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let me ask you this right

447
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 1: Conway is Conway old enough to write a bike? Yes? Okay,

448
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: so let me just let me just give you a

449
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Speaker 1: noluge because we're all fathers here, so let me just

450
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Speaker 1: give you this analogy. If anybody's listening to this has

451
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Speaker 1: ever taught their kid how to ride a bike, let

452
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Speaker 1: me tell you what you do not do. When you're

453
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Speaker 1: trying to teach your kid how to ride a bike.

454
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Speaker 1: You do not have you start him on the training wheels.

455
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: Then you take the training wheels off after the first

456
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Speaker 1: time he falls over on the grass. You don't go

457
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: hold on, let me put these training wheels back on.

458
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: Because you've had a little adversity and I don't want

459
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Speaker 1: you to try and work through that, So let me

460
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Speaker 1: try and put these training wheels back on. That does

461
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: you no good. It does, you know, good for the child,

462
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Speaker 1: It does, you know, good for your team. To me,

463
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Speaker 1: that makes absolutely no sense. He had a little adversity,

464
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Speaker 1: Let him work through it. I get it. But ultimately,

465
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Speaker 1: if it helps you win a football game, like at

466
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Speaker 1: this point, if you're the three, if if you let

467
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Speaker 1: him work through it, but you're the six and three

468
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins here looking for win number seven, like, go get it.

469
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Speaker 1: Do whatever you have to go get it. But you're no.

470
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Speaker 1: But you're thinking of quarters and you're thinking of individual games.

471
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of seasons. I'm thinking of and I don't

472
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Speaker 1: think this decision lines up with what's best for the

473
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Speaker 1: rest of this season because spoiler alert, we know what

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick is. So if you want to go down

475
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Speaker 1: that road, I know what that looks like. By the way,

476
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Speaker 1: they didn't win the game. Uh. Secondly to me, I

477
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Speaker 1: want to do what's best for the rest of this season.

478
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Speaker 1: Is pulling him out, letting him not work something through

479
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: like this good for him for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Let's so, I don't think it's

481
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Speaker 1: benefits you for the season or the or the career

482
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Speaker 1: for for a quarter? And he did you win the game?

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It's not it's not it's

484
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Speaker 1: not Drew bledsoe, let's not confused Ryan Fitzpatrick with Drew BLEDSOE.

485
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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. And and the last

486
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Speaker 1: thing I'll say on it is I will reserve judgment

487
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Speaker 1: until this if they're in a similar situation and then

488
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Speaker 1: they start this thing. It's a weekly thing where at

489
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Speaker 1: the first sign of real struggle. They're gonna they're gonna

490
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Speaker 1: throw Fitzpatrick back in there. Then I'm gonna start jumping

491
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Speaker 1: over to your camp. But right now, if it's if

492
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Speaker 1: it's just in the framework of this game at this point,

493
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Speaker 1: right now, I get it at least, and that I'll

494
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Speaker 1: leave it at the time the last point, because I'm

495
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Speaker 1: gonna now it's the last last word. If we're going

496
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Speaker 1: to go down this road of making a couple of

497
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: mistakes get you benched, you better activate a lot more

498
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman based off what I saw in that game

499
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Speaker 1: last week, because a lot of those guys and you

500
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Speaker 1: get taken out as well because they were not good.

501
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: All right, Buck, what do we got here for your

502
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: next takeaway? The Cleveland Browns are for real. From the

503
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Speaker 1: Cleveland second down seven takes the snap play action take,

504
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: He's back, He's gonna get hit, It's up in the air,

505
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: tick on Tucky, Tucky's got it down a side twenty

506
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Speaker 1: Tennis gets Ward on the tip and the pick fight

507
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: Tucky Tucky touch out, hop up that the Brown skate

508
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: batches come to play today. Tedell Ward on the blitch,

509
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Speaker 1: hit on the ball, fluttered up in the air. Tucky

510
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: Tucky pitched and took it down the right sideline for

511
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Speaker 1: a touchdown. You know, when I when I look at

512
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, it reminds me of my old coach,

513
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Speaker 1: Marty Schottenhammer, who started with the Cleveland Browns, and the

514
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Speaker 1: Browns played Marty ball. Basically, they run the ball, they

515
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Speaker 1: played good defense, and that gives him a chance each

516
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: and every week. Nick jo Up having a hundred yard game.

517
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Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt didn't put up big numbers, but he is

518
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Speaker 1: someone that you always have to think about on the ground,

519
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: and this defense being able to get two interceptions off

520
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Speaker 1: Carson Wins, They've been able to make plays. And when

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Speaker 1: I just look at this team, I'm beginning to think

522
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Speaker 1: they're going to be a hard out down the stretch

523
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Speaker 1: because their ability to control the line of scrimmage, to

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Speaker 1: run the football with two running backs that are number

525
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Speaker 1: one running backs gives them a chance. And as long

526
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Speaker 1: as Baker Mayfield takes care of the ball and stays

527
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Speaker 1: in his lane, this is a team that is really

528
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Speaker 1: really tough to be because they always can take you

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Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. You know a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that I'm wondering by the way, DJ are Are you

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Speaker 1: ready to pull the plug on on Carson Wentz? Do

532
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Speaker 1: you wanna is it is it time time time to

533
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Speaker 1: go to the bed? Or is that not? Okay? All right,

534
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Speaker 1: I wanna check. I've got a lot of thoughts on

535
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Speaker 1: that rap, but I would let you get your point

536
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Speaker 1: out of the way before I get there, all right. So, like,

537
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Speaker 1: here's here's what I thought. I think I'm with you

538
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Speaker 1: on the Browns, and it feels like they at least

539
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Speaker 1: more for real than any other Browns team we've seen

540
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Speaker 1: in the last decade plus. I'll give you that they

541
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Speaker 1: haven't had to rely on the past game as much

542
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Speaker 1: since the what the five touchdown game for Baker, the

543
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Speaker 1: game that O b J went down, But that was

544
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Speaker 1: against the you know, that's against a not so great

545
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Bengals team. But the good news is that they can

546
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Speaker 1: win those games where they don't have to because that

547
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: run game is so good. And then those three they

548
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Speaker 1: that three consecutive bad weather games, and in those games,

549
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Speaker 1: you want to be able to rely on Chub and

550
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Speaker 1: Hunt and that whole crew up front as well for Cleveland,

551
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Speaker 1: and they're able to do that. So I think that

552
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Speaker 1: that boats well for them moving forward. Uh, and DJ

553
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Speaker 1: to get into your points here on Carson Wentz. I'll

554
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Speaker 1: just say this just to give the folks out there

555
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Speaker 1: if they haven't heard with Doug Peterson said, I mean

556
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Speaker 1: he has been peppered constantly about his thoughts regarding benching

557
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz every game, after every game, on the Monday

558
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Speaker 1: after every game, every day, it's are you considering benching

559
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. This was his latest. I think he kind

560
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Speaker 1: of went more in depth on it this week than

561
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Speaker 1: he had in the past. He said, you're sending the

562
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Speaker 1: wrong message that your season is over. We have to

563
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Speaker 1: work through this to your point here, DJ, when times

564
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: get tough, that might be the easy thing to do

565
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Speaker 1: talking about Benchik Carson. So I don't know, I just

566
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Speaker 1: know it's not working right now. All right, let me

567
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Speaker 1: give you let me give you a number, because I

568
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Speaker 1: just looked this up on on NFL dot Com. I

569
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Speaker 1: was curious and it's right here. So we we'd all agree.

570
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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of the Cincinnati Bengals this year, right,

571
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Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow unfortunate unfortunate injury lost for the year,

572
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Speaker 1: torn a c O. And I know we've had these conversations. Buck,

573
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Speaker 1: I know we've had them, which is man, I hate

574
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Speaker 1: to say. It almost feels like it's the only matter

575
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: of time before Joe Burrow is gonna get hurt playing

576
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Speaker 1: behind this offensive line and and just getting the cart

577
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: beat out of him. On a weekly basis. The Bengal

578
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Speaker 1: has been sacked thirty six times, second most in the NFL.

579
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Speaker 1: Philadelphi Eagles have been sacked forty times. So put into perspective,

580
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Speaker 1: what Joe Burrows playing behind the Eagles has been worse. Now.

581
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Speaker 1: I know they've had injuries, but Jason Peters I was

582
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Speaker 1: around JP. He is a Hall of Famer, He's had

583
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Speaker 1: an unbelievable career. He can't play anymore. He can't. I

584
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: mean he had no shot in that game, completely overmatched

585
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: against Olivier Vernon and Clayborne, all the guys they threw

586
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: at him. So you had Carson Wentz under heavy pressure.

587
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is not playing well. I can. I've talked

588
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: about him fundamentally. I've talked about I think some of

589
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: the confidence is a little bit shaken there. But I'm

590
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Speaker 1: almost I'm almost just looking at twenty and saying, Okay,

591
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere in twenty one. You look at

592
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: the finances. He's not He's going to be back there

593
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: next year. So they've got to figure out a way

594
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: to get that fixed with the offensive line getting healthy,

595
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: bringing in some new bodies. At some point in time,

596
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: you can't keep counting on guys that get hurt, so

597
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to bring in more reinforcements along that

598
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: offensive line. We'll see what happens with him in the

599
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: coaching situation, but I could see them saying, Okay, we've

600
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: got a streamline that there's a lot of voices in

601
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: his ear. Um. I think he's I think it's a

602
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: it's a doable thing. I think if you can get

603
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: him better protection. I think he's got some good weapons

604
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: around him. If they can stay on the field, Carson

605
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Wentz can do it. We've seen it, not just in seventeen.

606
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: We saw it last year with the way he with

607
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: all those guys. But they were competitive up front. They

608
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: are not competitive at all along the offensive line right now.

609
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's easy sometimes to just say it's

610
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: the quarterback. It's the quarterback, it's the quarterback. But they

611
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: stink upfront. I mean they are bad upfront. Yeah, I

612
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: mean I think it's collective effort. I think they have

613
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: been pouring a lot of areas you talk about up front.

614
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: I think Carson Wentz is really holding onto the ball

615
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: too long. And I think from a coaching standpoint, I

616
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: don't believe Doug Peterson and the staff have really done

617
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Speaker 1: a great job of putting together game plans that made

618
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 1: the game very easy for Carson Wentz. And I know

619
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Speaker 1: that's something that's easier said than done, But I think

620
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: what you have to do right now if you're the

621
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, I think everyone has to get together and say,

622
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: how can we make the game as easy as possible

623
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Speaker 1: for the quarterback? Can we streamline what we're doing, Can

624
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: we cut down the volume that we have on the

625
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: play sheet. Can we ask Carson for a just give

626
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: me your ten best plays and we will run these

627
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: suckers over and over again. And I address emotions and

628
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: all of this other stuff, because that's what they did

629
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: years ago with Nick Foles. At some point, you have

630
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: to make the game as easy as possible for him because,

631
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: as DJ pointed out, he does not have a lot

632
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: of confidence and you gotta build that confidence up. And

633
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: if you do take him out, what is the upside,

634
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: you take him out. DJ talked about the financial He's

635
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: going to be your quarterback next year. There's no benefit

636
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: to take him out. You gotta figure out how to

637
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: work through this rough moment. And you still number one

638
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: in the division, so you gotta figure it out. But

639
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: you gotta figure it out. Every team in the division

640
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: sitting there at the same number of wins in the

641
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Speaker 1: win column three, every team with a shot at it.

642
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, by the way, the only quarterback this year

643
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: that has started every game that is yet to achieve

644
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: a one plus passer rating. Wow, not great, all right,

645
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I'll get us to the last six takeaway here, and

646
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: that's the fact that in one of the best games

647
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: of the day, we are again going to hear from

648
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: the Colts and the Packers. When it's all said up,

649
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: thirty nine yard field goal from Blanket Ship to get

650
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the Colts to win. Out of the whole enough Sanchez

651
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: Luke rose to snap him. Here's a staff falls down.

652
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: Take us on the way and it is Pitts lock

653
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: up winner Prodrigo blanket Chip. The Colts win thirty four

654
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: thirty one hit all over time. Yeah, they're pretty fired

655
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: up after that one in rightly, SA, it's a big

656
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: win over a team that came in I think top

657
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: seed in the NFC and the Green Bay Packers. Jim

658
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Mercy so fired up the cold Toner he got on

659
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: the post game zoom conference. I think a little um unprompted.

660
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: I think a little improv there. He gets on and

661
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: he says, it's the most exciting win they've ever had

662
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: at Lucas Oil Stadium and the best defense that he's

663
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: seen from the colt since when they made a run

664
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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl that year. So look, it was.

665
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: It was definitely one of the best games of the day.

666
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I think they're good things from

667
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: both teams, and I think their team. There are things

668
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: about this game that leads you to believe that both

669
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: of these teams are going to have a say when

670
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: the postseason begins. In January, Packers scored twenty eight in

671
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: the first half against one of the best defenses in football.

672
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Then that defense turns it around on the second half

673
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: and didn't allow the Packers to score another point until

674
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: the last drive, when the Packers had to drive down

675
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: to get a field goal to send it to overtime.

676
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: UM so the turn around and then they turned over

677
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: by the Colts defense in overtime to set things up

678
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: for stat Marquess fault is scantling UH fumble to set

679
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: up the game winner from blanketship was huge. It just

680
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: shows you how that defense kind of took some shots early,

681
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: figured it out, made the necessary plays that you'd expect

682
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: from a unit like that with that kind of ranking

683
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: UH to help their team get a win. Julian Blackman

684
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: continues to impress me this year. The cold safety man

685
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: that dude is. That dude has made something a lot

686
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: of players for this team, you know what I mean. Um,

687
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: And then look, I think the Packers defense got some

688
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: pressure on Rivers and the other side of the ball

689
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: just wasn't wasn't quite enough. But I think there are

690
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: good things from each side of the ball in this game.

691
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see these these two teams that

692
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: continue on down the stretch end of the postseason. Yeah,

693
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really excited about the Coast defense. Um.

694
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a deja vu factor

695
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: because this defense that they're playing is Tony Dungee's defense,

696
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: and when you look at Matt refluencing. You look at

697
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: his centers of influence, he will count Tony Dungee and

698
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli. And I think what they've done is they've

699
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: taken a really good scheme and they've got the perfect

700
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: person nail for it. The Forest Bunk up front is

701
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: worth every penny that they got that they're paying him

702
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars. He's a dominant player up front.

703
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard doing things at the second level. This secondary

704
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: doing a great job of playing this vision and break defense,

705
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: and what DJ always talks about on the podcast shows

706
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: up when I look at this team, fast teams, forced turnovers,

707
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: and they are the fastest defense, one of the fastest

708
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: defense that I've seen in the National Football League. It

709
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: is not a coincident that they knocked the ball loose,

710
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: because man, they play with great effort, but they are

711
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: so athletic that they just make things happen because they

712
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: overwhelmed you with their speed. Yeah, last thing to cap

713
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: it off here, you guys nailed all the points here.

714
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: To me. The last thing is they went out and

715
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: made the move in the off season, paid Philip Rivers

716
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars because they knew they would find

717
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: themselves in some games that would would make their way

718
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: into the thirties. Even with this great defense the Colts

719
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: had this game was in the thirties. You needed some

720
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: firepower offensively to win a game like this. So for

721
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: for the turnovers and some of the issues that are

722
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna come along with Philip Rivers, he gives you a

723
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: chance in games like this, and you can't win a

724
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: championship unless you can find your way to win some

725
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: of these games that end up north of thirty. And

726
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: I think this game was a great example of why

727
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard hey tip of the Cap, took a chance there,

728
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: went out, brought in Philip Rivers, and so far it's

729
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: working all right. Let's keep it moving here. Let's get

730
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: to number seven on the takeaway list, and that is

731
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steelers swallow. Another rookie quarterback backing down nine

732
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: for the Jags at the eleven of the Steelers shot

733
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: unsnapped louting back big rush betting into the air and

734
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: the pitchers intercepted, making hands up at the five ten

735
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and he's knocked down by Rappit as soon as he

736
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: gets out over the thirty five yard line near the

737
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: forty it was tipped over the middle of the field. Yeah,

738
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: we saw the Pittsburgh Steelers kind of welcome Joe Burrow

739
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: to the division with the way they got after him.

740
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: And that was the first overall pick. You figured with

741
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: a six round picking Jake Luton, who was gonna be

742
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: a tough sledding for him and this Jacksonville team that's

743
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: still very much in the mix for the number one

744
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: overall pick. But Buck Yet, I think of you every

745
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: time when we talked about it, right, tips and overthrows.

746
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: Who takes advantage more tips and overthrows in the Pittsburgh Steelers.

747
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: They do such a good job of creating pressure and

748
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: they were getting after Looton. He just was overwhelmed. And

749
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: what you can see is that the game was too

750
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: fast for him. And as the game sped up with

751
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: t J. White and blud Dupree bearing down on him, man,

752
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: he was just throwing these arian tosses and Meek and

753
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick is everything that we thought he would be coming

754
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: out of Alabama. He just has a nose for the ball.

755
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: It continues to make plays and because of that, this

756
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: defense is outstanding, airtight. They do a great job of

757
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: creating turnovers. Yeah, and here I go talking about the

758
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: Steelers wide receivers again. Uh did a little bit of

759
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: digging and that wide receiver group Deante Johnson, Jase Claypool,

760
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: Juju Smith, Schuster, and James Washington. They've generated over two

761
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: thousand yards from scrimmage this season. They account for nearly

762
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: sixty percent of their team's total yards from scrimmage. That's

763
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: the fourth highest percentage in football. I mean, that's the

764
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: difference to me for the Steelers on offense this year

765
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: is a well rounded wide receiver corps where they don't

766
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: necessarily have to rely on a power run game, which

767
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: they haven't been I haven't been able to call on

768
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: weekend in week out, down in and down out like

769
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: maybe in years past. But the Steelers wide receiver corps

770
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: will allow them to put points on the board against

771
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: the toughest of defenses because they've got guys uh that

772
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that it just had different skill sets. Claypool's got ten

773
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: touchdowns on the year total, and Deante Johnson has another

774
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: hundred yard game and then ju Ju just get the

775
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: ball in his hands and you know we'll see his

776
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: skill set on the field. So there's just there's so

777
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: many different ways that that group can beat you. I

778
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: still think that that would be one of the things

779
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: that makes them difficult to defend when we get closer

780
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: to January. All right, Buck, get us to your next takeaway.

781
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: Here the page is just don't have enough to get

782
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: it done. Shotgun, here's the snap, here's the less. Newton

783
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: winds away from it, steps up, he wants her run,

784
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: he's dragged down, flings the ball forward. It's dead and

785
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: the text sets take over on downs. The Texas sin pressure.

786
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: They get pressure on Newton and that's ball game. You know,

787
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: for so long, we're so used to the New England

788
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: pages being able to do it without what we would

789
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: call a level stars and I think it's called up.

790
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: It's called up with them right now, right now, they

791
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: just don't have the talent to be I would say

792
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: teams that are even or better than them. And a

793
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: lot of it is not only the offense, because we

794
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: can talk about the weapons or the lack of weapons

795
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, but defensively, this is not the same group.

796
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: They can't get after the passer. They're having a tough

797
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: time staying in coverage. And when I watched this game,

798
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is able to do whatever he wanted to do.

799
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: They didn't have an answer. And even though Cam Newton

800
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: had three hundred yards and that's fine, the defense let

801
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: this team down. And I just don't know if Bill

802
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Belichick is going to be able to right the wrongs

803
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: from the personnel issues that they have on both sides

804
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: of the ball. Yeah. This, uh, look it, this looks

805
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: like a five hundred football team, you know, kind of

806
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: at best, this is an eight win football team. And

807
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what the expectation. All the

808
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: opt outs um. Obviously moving on at the quarterback position,

809
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an adjustment there. So I think this

810
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: is almost kind of what we thought. They're four and

811
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: six football team kind of marching their way towards seven

812
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: or eight wins. Um, that's just where they are right now.

813
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to they're gonna have to hit in

814
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: the draft. They're gonna have to be a little more

815
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: active in free agency. The good news is, I think

816
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: salary cap wise is Bill Belichick has mentioned, uh, there'll

817
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit better spot going forward. All right, right,

818
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: what's your what's your next takeaway here? Oh? Man, it

819
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: was a bittersweet day of FedEx Field. Single receiver out

820
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: to the left, Drew Sample Burrow back to throw from

821
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: the two loops at high down fielding attempt by Boyd

822
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: broken up by Fuller and after gaining seven yards in

823
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: the first place, Burrows down. He's grabbing his left knee.

824
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: He's in pain. Oh God, al and I think put

825
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: the hit on him and Joe Burrow released this football.

826
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: Looks like Joe Burrows in trouble. Just an awful scene.

827
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, they're at FedEx Field and land Over Maryland.

828
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: And for the Cincinnati Bengals, another top pick goes down

829
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: with the season ending injury. I mean, look, you go

830
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: back to Gosh, you go back to Johnnah Carter right,

831
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: who busted as achilles before he even really played a

832
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: regular season down, and of course you had Carson Palmer

833
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: in the playoffs against the Steelers. And then you go

834
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: back William Jackson torres Peck was the number one pick

835
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: of the Bengals, missed his whole rookie year, Jonah Williams

836
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: last year, and now Joe Burrow and the it's of

837
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: a terrific rookie campaign goes down. Look bad luck, but

838
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think there was a lot of question

839
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: leading up to this game about how the Bengals were

840
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: protecting uh, Joe Burrow and protecting their investment for the future. Um,

841
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: they've been a little bit better along the offensive line

842
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: than they were the first couple of weeks where Burrow

843
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: is getting hit twelve thirteen, fourteen, sixteen times a game,

844
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: and those first few they've been a little bit better.

845
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Like, even if they had protected

846
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: really well and they had one of the best offensive line,

847
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: that still can happen because Joe Burrow is a guy

848
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: that does not take his eyes. His eyes do not

849
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: come off his receivers down field to come down to

850
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: the rush. They just don't do it. He's that he

851
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: is that kind of mentality. Um, you know then that's

852
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: what you love to see from a quarterback. He's not

853
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna worry about the the chaos happening around him in

854
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: the pocket. He's gonna stand tall and firm, make his throw,

855
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: and um, you know, he's been one of the best

856
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: at it as a rookie quarterback. It's just it's it's impressive.

857
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you know, like that that is a part

858
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: of this injury and it was a I think it

859
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: was a free thing. I think there's still clearly a

860
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: ton of work that has to be done for the

861
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Bengals to continue to support him up front along that

862
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: offensive line. Obviously, um, but this is just another one

863
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: of those tough breaks here for the Bengals. And the

864
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: bitter sweet part of it was that we saw Alex

865
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Smith get his first win as a starter since two

866
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, a big one Washington, which puts them

867
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: right and the think of things in the NFC. E's Yeah,

868
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: read it is bitter sweet. But one thing did Joe

869
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: Burrow can do? He can think about what Alex Smith

870
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: has been able to overcome and endure had has come

871
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: back and been a very effective player for the Washington

872
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: football team. I would expect Joe Burrow to bounce back

873
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: and be just as good, if not better than he

874
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: has displayed already during his rookie campaign. Yeah, I thought,

875
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the irony there as Joe is

876
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: as reckless as he can play at times as a

877
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: runner and fighting for yards extending plays that time just

878
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: like rhet said, just kind of post it up in

879
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: the pocket and end up on your on your knee there,

880
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: and that's it so very unfortunate. But I think this

881
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Bengals team knows what they need to do. Um Duke

882
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: Tobin in that front office. No, in the off season,

883
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to address that offensive line with a

884
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of resources, hopefully a mixture of the draft as

885
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: well as free agency. Try and put a little bit

886
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: of a fortress in front of them. Because I know

887
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not just our opinion what we think of Joe Burrow.

888
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: We we heard it when we were talking to Dan

889
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Orlovsky and when you talk to people around the league

890
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: that are studying and playing that team. Joe Burrows got

891
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: everybody's respect and everybody's attention in the NFL. Now, let's

892
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: get an off season, get some more pieces around him,

893
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: and I think the Bengals have a chance to be

894
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good football team alright. Final takeaway here from

895
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: the game I was at Chargers Jets, two teams with

896
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: bad records, actually ended up being a pretty entertaining game.

897
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen zone buster the rush five, Herbert rolls to

898
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: his laps, still holding the ball, goes to the endzone.

899
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: Cauchdown Chargers Keenan Allen, why not at a touchdown to

900
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: all those catches and yards today a nice bowl on

901
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: a heck of an afternoon, and the third touchdown toss

902
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: from Herbert. Keenan Allen's had a lot of big games

903
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: in this league, but this is gonna end up being

904
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: the biggest when it's all said and done. Adding a

905
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: touchdown here. Just kept working as Herbert was rolling to

906
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the left, and once Herbert saw Lamar Jackson's back, he

907
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: knew he had no shot. Just put a missile right

908
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: between the one and the three keen now and keen

909
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: all and putting that baby to sleep there at the end.

910
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: It was ended up being a career day for him.

911
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: I think the sixteen catches four Keenan Allen, and this

912
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: is a team that you saw early on in the game.

913
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: They tried to match up a little bit and man

914
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: and he got in the slot with our buddy Ashton Davis,

915
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: another former Calbarre little cal On cal crime there um

916
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: and he turned him inside out. And after that I

917
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: think that that Greg Williams said, Okay, we're gonna play

918
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: a lot of zone coverage, Um. And then Keenan Allen.

919
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: We talked about him as a route runner buck, but

920
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: the awareness for him to settle and sit in zones.

921
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he was too savvy for a bunch

922
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: of rookies out there playing zone coverage. He found holes

923
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: all over the field. Yeah he now that he found holes,

924
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: but Justin Herbert picked apart this defense. Um, I think

925
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: you just become walk away more and more impressed with

926
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. Uh. If I'm the LH charges man, I

927
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: feel great. I sleep great at night because I know

928
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: I have a franchise quarterback and everything that I am

929
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: thinking about out if I'm one of the members of

930
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: the front officer of the coach's that is, man, what

931
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: can we do to make life easier for Justin Herbert?

932
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Because they got a good one. And now, if you

933
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about the big time running back, continue to put

934
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: the forces in front of him on that offensive line.

935
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: I do know this, whenever you see him run out

936
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: the tunnel, you have a chance to walk away with

937
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: a w on that day. And I think that's something

938
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: that every franchise wants to be able to feel like

939
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: when their franchise quarterback runs onto the field. And last

940
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: thing I'll get to you know, for Jets fans out there,

941
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: stick with him Man, I was a Detroit Lions fan

942
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight. I've been there. I've

943
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: been there at intent. You know what it feels like. Man,

944
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: it's not it's not fun. But what you have to

945
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: do is look towards the future because you've got a

946
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: couple of players out there, especially from this last draft class,

947
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: your first two picks. DJ, there's recently be excited about

948
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: Mackay beckon the Denzel Mims am I right, no question,

949
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: And Denzel Mims to me, has been the revelation. I

950
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: think this is his fourth game. Every game you're seeing

951
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: that playmaking ability. They didn't target him in the first half,

952
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: which is bizarre to me, not trying to get your

953
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: best player in the ball. But I really think he

954
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: is already their best receiver. I think he's at the worst,

955
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: a really good too who's got a chance skill set wise,

956
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: at his size, speed, ball skills, all those things, got

957
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: a chance to be a number one receiver. So you

958
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: look at all the draft capital they have going forward.

959
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: I think Joe Douglas has proven he knows what he's

960
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: doing in that regard to be able to bring in

961
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: some talent. So look, I think if you're a Jets fan. Buck,

962
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: I'll give you the last word on this one, but

963
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of exactly what you want right end the

964
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: day with you still got the number one overall pick,

965
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, with when you

966
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: saw some of your young guys play well. Yeah, I

967
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: mean it's almost like a preseason game. I want to

968
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: play well enough, but I don't really care about the result.

969
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: And so they're playing well enough. Where the guys are developing,

970
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: they're doing some of those things. And this deal very

971
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: very firmly interest as the number one pick and next

972
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: year's draft, which is what you want because you may

973
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: have to get a chance to get in enough grade

974
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Last thing as we leave here, just one

975
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: question for rhet So just so I'm sure now if

976
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: if Herbert doesn't play well in the first quarterbacks week,

977
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: or we should we put in Tyrod Taylor because that's

978
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: what you did. Go You're still you're not eliminated yet.

979
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: If that's gonna give you the best chance to win

980
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: a football game, get him out of here. Ah, you're

981
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: the best. This was fun today, man. We got a

982
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: little spirited conversation on the show. It's been a fun

983
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: takeaway show Buck. As we look towards the coming week,

984
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: it's Thanksgiving. A lot to be thankful for, including a

985
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: great game on Turkey Day. Yeah, great game. You talk

986
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: about an a f C North rivalry, one that you've

987
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: been involved in. The Pittsburgh Steelers the Baltimore Ravens. We

988
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: understand how both of these teams go about their business. Physical, aggressive,

989
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: nasty teams and with the Pittsburgh Steelers being at the

990
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: top of the division, the Baltimore Ravens needing to close ground,

991
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: this is one that will be musty TV. And I

992
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: can't think of a better way to spend a holiday

993
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: than watching these two teams go at it. I guess

994
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: some turkey in your billion and uh triple header of football.

995
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. All right, lots to look forward

996
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: to appreciate you guys hanging with us today. Reminder you

997
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,600
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Speaker 1: download podcast just pumping Move the Sticks. You'll find us

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