1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: What is happening my people? How's everyone doing well? You 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: can't really answer because it's a podcast and I'm talking 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: to myself, but hopefully you're doing well. And what we 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: put together this weekend is a little best of We 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: took some of our favorite segments from the week, our 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: favorite takes, favorite thoughts, and put them together in a 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: little weekend edition. So that will be the plan today. 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: And what I need you to do is subscribe to 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: the podcast. If you listen on Collins Feed. 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They'll start with Aaron Rodgers, who 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: was officially cut, I guess unofficially because the waiver wire's 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: dead for I think another week or so. But the 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: Jets put out a statement and basically I love it. 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: You know, in sports, I guess I follow it so closely. 25 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: Maybe it happens in other industries, but it's just a 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: it's a go to football thing when a player or 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: a coach is fired, like we wish him the best 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: in his future endeavors and whatever he pursues in the future. Like, 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: I love that being the final statement. It's like, no, 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: you can't get this guy out of your building quick enough. 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: This isn't just on Aaron Rodgers. This on anytime a 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: coach is fired. Jerry said it with Mike McCarthy. It 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: happens with every person. It's like I wish you the best. No, 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: you want this guy gone, and you hope whoever you 35 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: bring in to replace him is way better than this guy, 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: so you're actually not wishing him the best. But the 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers situation was it's funny, you know, they went 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: all in. I don't blame them for doing it, and 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: it didn't just backfire in their face. It was a disaster. 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: It was like an epic, all time disaster. It was 41 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: one of those situations that's going to be talked about 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: the rest of my life. I mean, there were some 43 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: historic ones when I was young that I didn't witness, like, hey, 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: remember Willie Mays on the Mets. It's like, no, I don't, 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: but clearly that didn't go well, and that feels like 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: it's going to be one of those situations, especially if 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: Rogers doesn't play anymore. And I never blame a player 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: for trying to play till his like essentially athletic dying days, 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: because the real world sucks compared to getting to play football, basketball, baseball, hockey, 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: you name it for a living. It doesn't get any 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: better than that, and mainly it doesn't pay any better 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: in that and when you play quarterback, even at like 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: a mediocre level. I mean, Gardner Minshew got fifteen million 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: dollars last year from the Raiders. There aren't many W 55 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: two jobs on the open market that pay fifteen million dollars. 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: So Aaron Rodgers, who his days of getting forty to 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: fifty million dollars are over. But when you look at 58 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew getting fifteen million dollars, it's very conceivable that 59 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: someone could pay him one year twenty twenty five million dollars. 60 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: So I would not blame him for trying to continue 61 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: his career. The problem is his options, and we've talked 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: about this before, are not gonna be very good. It's 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: gonna be the Jets, it's gonna be the Raiders, it's 64 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: gonna be teams like the Giants. It's gonna be teams 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: that are all drafting really really high for a reason. 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: They suck. So if I was giving advice to Aaron, 67 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: and if I was giving advice to Amazon, doesn't this 68 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: make a lot of sense? Like, listen, Herbstreet and Al 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: got that thing off the off the mat, got it going, 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: got it going in the right direction, made it a 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: valuable property. Right a lot of us watch Thursday Night 72 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: Football ten to fifteen million people. But Al feels like 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: he's and I'm pro al Michaels but a couple steps 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: away from retirement. And the Herb Street thing was kind 75 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: of filler because they got denied on guys like John 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: Lynch and Sean McVay. Well, Aaron Rodgers sitting right there 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: for you, and doesn't it kind of scratch Aaron's itch? 78 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Like part of staying as an NFL quarterback if he 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: were to sign with a bad team wouldn't just because 80 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: of money. It would because of what the NFL brings, 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: keeps you relevant, keeps you in the public eye, helps you, 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: you know, be in the mix to your off the 83 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: field businesses. Well, isn't that what this modern day television 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: show does? Because look at Tom Brady, they gave him 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: three hund fifty three hundred and seventy five million dollars, 86 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: he'd never call the game. I would say Aaron Rodgers 87 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: has proven to be much more of an outgoing personality 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: of willing to say whatever. And that's the space he's in. Like, ultimately, 89 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: the space of calling a football game is entertainment, right, 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: It's not like you gotta just color with the lines. No, like, 91 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: be yourself, do whatever you want to do. And I 92 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: do think Aaron Rodgers to Amazon like listen makes a 93 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: lot of sense. And if I was Amazon, I would 94 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: be all over him. And the money that they were 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: willing to pay a couple of years ago to guys 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: like McVeigh and John Lynch were eye opening. Why wouldn't 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: they be willing to do that with Aaron Rodgers? Why 98 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't they be willing to Like, Okay, it's like Fox 99 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: made a big splash obviously a couple of years ago 100 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: ESPN made a big splash hiring Joe Buck and Troy 101 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: Aikman away from Fox. Maybe this Amazon's time, and listen, 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he would take it. Maybe he wants 103 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: no part of this. Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem like he's 104 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: destined to be like a coach or a GM but 105 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: this it feels like kind of a cushy gig. You 106 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: can make fifteen twenty million dollars a year, do it 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: for a couple of years, ease into retirement, still get 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: paid a premium, get to be around football, and, let's 109 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: face it, kind of keep yourself relevant. I actually think 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: like this is the perfect gig for him. If he 111 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: asked me for advice, not saying he would and he won't. 112 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: It's like should I go to the Titans, or should 113 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: I go to the Raiders, or should I be interested 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: in Amazon? And Amazon like I'm sorry, Like it's time 115 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: to get a new booth, It's time to blow that 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: thing up, and I think Rogers is the perfect individual 117 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: for that spot. I think when you look at the Jets, 118 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: and I think the Falcons fall under this too. Sometimes 119 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: in life you have to be desperate, like part of 120 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: the reason I'm a podcaster is because probably about a 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: decade ago, there were some desperate times and it kind 122 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: of led me into this profession and it's worked out 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: pretty well. Right, there are times in your life and 124 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 2: probably personally well, where you have to do desperate things. 125 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: Because the old adage is never make a business decision 126 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: out of desperation. I think that's a little bullshit. I 127 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: would the way I would phrase it would be never 128 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: make a big business decision out of desperation. And I 129 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: think anytime that you trade or pay a quarterback a 130 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: lot of money when you're in a situation like the 131 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: Falcons were, when you're in a situation like the Jets were, 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: it's not an ideal operation because you go, well, why 133 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: are the Packers trading me this guy? Why doesn't Kevin 134 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: O'Connell and the Minnesota Vikings want this player back? And 135 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: currently the name that's floating around is Matt Stafford, and 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: it's you know, the Rams. I don't know hiving Matt Stafford, 137 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: and we've heard it now for a couple of years. 138 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: It's like something's just a little off. And I think 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: usually this stuff comes back to money, and I don't 140 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: blame the Rams like, yeah, we're not really into giving 141 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: you like one hundred million dollars guaranteed right now at 142 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: thirty seven, thirty eight years old. We're not into getting 143 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: into a position where, if this does go off the rails, 144 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: we feel like we're the Atlanta Falcons or the New 145 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: York Jets. We're going to take a huge, huge cap 146 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: hit for a guy that you know, we feel is 147 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: on the wrong side, probably on whole seventeen eighteen, who 148 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: were proven we can still win with and we like 149 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: playing with. But this is a business and we're a 150 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: little uncomfortable with where we're at in this cycle now. 151 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: We don't have many better options. We actually don't have 152 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: any other options, but we don't plan on giving you 153 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: a big contract extension. So if you want that contract extension, 154 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to get it from someone else. And 155 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: when I see that, teams like, oh, the Giants could 156 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: be really interested in Matt Stafford, Like that's got disaster 157 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: written all over it. It really does, Like, Okay, the 158 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: New York Giants, who have been one of the worst 159 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: operations for a decade plus, would be interested in trading 160 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: for Matt Stafford. And obviously, if you're gonna trade for him. 161 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: You're gonna give him a lot more money on his 162 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: contract because Sean McVay and the La Rams, who have 163 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: established themselves as clearly one of the best operations in 164 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: the league, are over it. I would not be doing that. 165 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: I would not be getting into business with situations that 166 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: well run franchises want out of, especially even with you know, 167 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: we saw last year with Kirk Cousins, who is going 168 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: to be released in the next couple weeks. He was 169 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: available for a reason. He was old, he was injured, 170 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: and he was going to be really, really expensive, and 171 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: the Falcons are like, yeah, we'll give you a ninety 172 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed. And it was clear by halfway through 173 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: the season, like this is an epic disaster. And part 174 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: of the reason it was a disaster is like your 175 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: coaching staff do they know what they're doing? Like Matt 176 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: Stafford used to be way better. Why he was younger, 177 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: he was in the prime of his career, and he 178 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: was around people that were over their head and they 179 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: did not win. Like part of being a good player 180 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: in the NFL is you also need good coaches in 181 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: a good operation in the NFL. Like it's pretty clear 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: looking back when Tom Brady chose the Bucks, like, yeah, 183 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: they had Bruce Arians, Jason light who's one of the 184 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: best gms, and a lot of good players around him. 185 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: They were actually pretty well built to handle that situation. 186 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: If you would have put Tom Brady on a team 187 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: that was not, it would have blown up in his face. 188 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: So when I see desperation when it comes to older quarterbacks, 189 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: I see a massive, massive red flag, and I see 190 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: something as an owner, like I understand why a general manager, 191 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: why a coach, People in the hot seat and people 192 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: that are desperate to keep their jobs would want to 193 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: make a decision like that. But and I'm not pro meddling. 194 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: And you hear this a lot, like you know, the 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: owner can't just stay out of the way. Well, sometimes 196 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: you have to get involved because you're like, this is 197 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: a moronic idea. I don't need to know our entire 198 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: playbook in the entire draft board to know I don't 199 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: like the way this looks, the way this smells, or 200 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: where this has a potential to go. There's way more 201 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: negative outcomes than it comes to positive outcomes when it 202 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: comes to this transaction. So I would just the Stafford business. 203 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: If LA wants out. I'm sorry, I don't want in. Okay, 204 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: let's go to a little draft conversation, because there was 205 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: a big story at the end of last week that 206 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. It gave the list of guys going to 207 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: the combine and Travis Hunter was listed as a corner. 208 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: And I say this all the time during the draft, 209 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: and I will continue to beat this drum. Where you 210 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: are drafted and how you are discussed as a draft 211 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: prospect has nothing to do with how you're going to 212 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: be as an NFL player. So your draft value that 213 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: this is an economic exercise. Right, So if I view 214 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: you as a second round pick, that has nothing to 215 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: do with what you're going to be once you get 216 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: to the NFL. But based on whether it be size 217 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: and measurables, speed, production, just overall talent, I don't view 218 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: you as I need to take you in the top 219 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: twenty picks to acquire your services. Right that there are 220 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: a lot of homes that go for seven hundred thousand 221 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: dollars that would be a great place to lay your 222 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: head down every night. But there's a reason that house 223 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: costs seven hundred thousand dollars. If you put it into 224 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 2: a different market, that house might be two point two 225 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: million dollars. And sometimes guys and players coming out of college, 226 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: based on a bunch of different circumstances, some of them 227 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: out of their own control, their draft value is different 228 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: from what it would be if I took this guy 229 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: from Texas Tech and I put him at Ohio State. 230 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: That's part of the business. Warrant no diff front with positions. 231 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: We say this all the time, right, It's its obvious. 232 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Quarterback is the number one position in the NFL. And 233 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: if you need a quarterback and you're drafting a quarterback 234 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: and the guy is viewed as an NFL starter, you 235 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: draft him number one. You don't even hesitate. And then 236 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: offensive and defensive linemen when it comes to tackles and 237 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: pass rushers, are both of you right behind him. You 238 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: could make the argument that the third most valuable position. 239 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: So if you go quarterback, offensive, a defensive lineman, tackles 240 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: and ends, I would say corner would have to be 241 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: pretty high up there. And if you could tell me, hey, 242 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: you think both these guys are going to be an 243 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: all pro, would you take a wide receiver or would 244 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: you take a cornerback? I would one thousand percent take 245 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: a corner because it is typically easier to find good 246 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 2: wide receivers later in the draft than it is corners, 247 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: especially if I view the guy as a lockdown player. 248 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: And I think Travis Hunter, whether he made the decision, 249 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: whether Dion helped him make the decision, whether whoever in 250 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: his life helped him make this decision, it was the 251 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: correct decision because when you look at the wide receiver class, 252 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. It's all size, 253 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: you know, different size requirements. Some teams need this, some 254 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: teams need that, and they're just not viewed as highly 255 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: in the sense of I could find guys later in 256 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: the draft. That is just not true for corners. And 257 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Travis Hunter as a 258 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: wide receiver prospect, he's really good, Like he is a 259 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: first round wide receiver prospect, But I don't view him 260 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: like Jamar Chase or you know, last year, I thought 261 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: Maliku Neighbors was a better prospect than Marvin Harrison, like 262 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: just some can't miss, no doubt about it, guy you 263 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: would take in the top five. But at corner, looking 264 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: back last year, how many teams regret passing on guys 265 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: like Jared Verse and Quinnion Mitchell for the Eagles. Obviously, 266 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: looking back, the defensive lineman should have gone higher. But 267 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: if you could do it over, there's no way on 268 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: God's green Earth that Mitchell ends up to the Eagles 269 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: in the early twenties. He probably ends up going in 270 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: the top ten because getting a lockdown corner makes your 271 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: defense that much easier to run when a guy takes 272 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: away half the field, especially a player who can chase 273 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: around number one wide receivers. And then the discussion of 274 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: can he play both ways like that, that's a bigger 275 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: picture discussion that will have to play out over time. 276 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it's physically possible to play corner and 277 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: wide receiver as full time starters in the NFL. There 278 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: are seventeen games playing corner. Just think about the wide 279 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: receivers you have to go against in the NFL on 280 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: a weekly basis, especially if you are immediately the number 281 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: one you know, like the number one guy as a corner, 282 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: Like if you're the top guy, you're chasing around their 283 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: best guy. It's just extremely taxing. But like, this is 284 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: the easiest way to not even make a team hesitate 285 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: to take you in the top two or three. Picks 286 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: because if it's like I want to play wide receiver, 287 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: I also plan on doubling up as a corner. But 288 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm a wide receiver first. I don't think he goes aside. 289 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: But when he says I'm going to play corner, that's 290 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: what I want to play. We will. I want to 291 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: play offense as well, but I'm a corner. That's how 292 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: you go in the top two or three. So smart 293 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: move by him. Ashton Genty. I saw a headline today 294 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: A dude that writes for The Athletic wrote that the 295 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: Cowboys should take him at number twelve of roll. Taking 296 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: Ashton Genty at twelve overall would be insane. And this 297 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: gets back to that conversation. I love Ashton Genty as 298 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: a running back. I think he is going to be 299 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: a high end starter in the NFL. But you can 300 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: find running backs, especially in this draft, that are going 301 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: to start between pick forty and eighty. There are going 302 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: to be a ton of future NFL starters that are 303 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: drafted on the second day. And if I'm the Dallas 304 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,239 Speaker 2: Cowboys and I have a lot of needs on my team, 305 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: I am not taking a running back at number twelve. 306 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: That is insane. And listen. Like Ashual gen Z's five eight, 307 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: if he was six feet you might be able to 308 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: convince me, Hey, it could be Adrian Peterson. He's five 309 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: foot eight, But I couldn't take him at number twelve overall, 310 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: especially when I go, well, why can't I just get 311 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: my starter in the second or third round? Who do 312 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: you take high overall? Take a offensive or defensive lineman? 313 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: How did the Cowboys get good there for a while? 314 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: They drafted a bunch of offensive linemen? What happened the 315 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: last couple of years? Like where's their defensive Like where's 316 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: their depth upfront? You got Michah Parsons, who you know 317 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: you've kind of contemplated trading. But this is a deep 318 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: draft at defensive lineman. Well, you're gonna have the opportunity 319 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: to pick one of the better ones at twelve. So 320 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: how many teams last year? Go god, I could have 321 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: used Jared Verst. Don't overthink this. Take a defense. Look 322 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: at the Eagles? How did they just win the Super Bowl? 323 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: Offensive and defensive line? 324 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? 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Maybe there are companies that are invested in you know, 356 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: like Apple, you know some of the major companies in 357 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: America that a bunch of pensions are involved with, but 358 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: just in terms of people actually working for that company. 359 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: W two's the thirty two NFL teams, and I'd probably 360 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: include the league office. The NFL business is pretty insane 361 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: right now. Obviously, the players have never been richer and 362 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: they've never made more money. Same thing goes for coaches. 363 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: You know. Jerry Jones when he stole the show at 364 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: the Brian Schottenheimer press conference, he said that the reason 365 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: he didn't get into coaching because remember, you know, a 366 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: lot of especially younger listeners and viewers, don't realize Jerry 367 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: Jones once upon a time was on the Arkansas team 368 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: that won the National Championship in college. Like, Jerry Jones 369 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: has a national Championship ring as a player in college, 370 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: so he wasn't just some Joe Schmoe businessman. Like this 371 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: guy played college football at a really, really high level. 372 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: Granted times were a little different. Offensive lineman might have 373 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: weigh two hundred and forty pounds, but still at the time, 374 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: it's all relative. He was on an Arkansas team that 375 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: wasn't that won the Natty. And Jerry said that like 376 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: a lot of my friends went into coaching, but I 377 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: always aspired to live in bigger houses and drive nicer cars. 378 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: And essentially, if I would have known what these guys 379 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: are making now, I might have got into coaching because 380 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: I see what we're paying them. And it's not just 381 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: head coaches making eight, ten, fifteen to twenty million dollars. 382 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: I would imagine it changes per team, but two to 383 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: four coaches a staff non head coach are making seven figs. Obviously, 384 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: general managers make a lot of money, and the amount 385 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: of people making millions of dollars associated with the NFL, 386 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: it's pretty nuts. Listen, indirectly. I didn't make very much 387 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: when I worked in the NFL, but I've made a 388 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: lot of money, a lot more money, you know, being 389 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: in this business just talking about football, and you know, 390 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: the biggest sports podcast, I mean the biggest sports podcast 391 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: right now, pardon my take, is an NFL football show, 392 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: you know, Pat McAfee. It's a football driven show, like 393 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: football is the cash cow. And I think speaks more 394 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: of that than the news that came out yesterday that 395 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: the NFL salary cap will be somewhere between two hundred 396 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: and seventy five and two hundred and eighty two million dollars. 397 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: And that number one just sounds massive, But when you 398 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: put it into context ten years ago twenty fifteen, so 399 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: not that long ago, NFL was doing well then, the 400 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: salary cap was one hundred and forty million dollars. Hell, 401 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: three years ago, the salary cap was barely over two 402 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. It has risen over seventy million dollars 403 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: in the last three years, and honestly, if you look 404 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 2: at the last five years, it would have gone a 405 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: lot higher if it wouldn't have been for twenty twenty 406 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one where the salary cap actually went 407 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: the wrong way for a year in twenty twenty one 408 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: because of the diminished revenues because of the RONA. So 409 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: football right now, like you know these players, it is 410 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: not just the super high end guys, the Justin Jeffersons, 411 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: the Micah Parsons, the Miles Garretts. Obviously, relatively speaking, Reggie White, 412 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 2: Troy Akeman, Steve Young, Brett Fahr, Peyton Banning whoever at 413 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: the time was always making a lot of money, right, 414 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: But it's the mid tier guy. I remember last year 415 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: when guards, when good starting guards were getting eighteen million dollars. 416 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: It's like, holy shit. You know, the NBA, the average 417 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: salary is twelve million dollars, And clearly there are a 418 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: lot of guys making thirty forty fifty million dollars. It's 419 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: only twelve guys on a team, right, there were only 420 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: seven eight guys that actually play. So given the size 421 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: of the roster of fifty three guys, I mean the 422 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: veteran minimum when you're like a seventh round pick. Even 423 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: brock Purty, who was the last pick in the draft, 424 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: by his like third year, he was making a million dollars. 425 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: And everyone's like laughing. He makes nothing in relative to 426 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: his position, he does not, But relative to being the 427 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: last pick in the draft, even if you hadn't become 428 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: a starting quarterback, if you had just made the team, 429 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: you've been making a million dollars, you know. So it's 430 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: it is a great time to be involved in football 431 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: and the good thing. And this is why the other 432 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: story I saw is that Jed York And he's not alone, 433 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: but we'll just use him as example. The NFL passed 434 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: the rule recently that you could sell pieces of your 435 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 2: team to private investors. Right, private equity, venture capitalism. Right, 436 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: you could get Hey, you don't actually get anything. You 437 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: don't get to decide when I hire a fire coach. 438 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: You have no say in free agency or the NFL draft, 439 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: but you get to say like you're part owner. Brady's 440 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: somewhat unique is that Mark Davis actively wants him to 441 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: be involved. But most of these guys that are just 442 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: money dudes cutting checks have no juice. I mean none. 443 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: When I was at the Super Bowl, it was with 444 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: somebodies from the Eagles, Like I remember, we had minority 445 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: owners and they're still involved in the same guys are 446 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: still around and it has been very lucrative for them 447 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: to be involved with the philadel Eagles for the last 448 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five years as minority owners for Jeffrey Leary. 449 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: But they have absolutely no say. They get a little 450 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: seat in the draft room. They show up to some games, 451 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: but in terms of like Nick Sirianni status, no one 452 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: cares what they think. And that goes for all these 453 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: teams and Jed York who think about this. Eddie de Bartelow, 454 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: who got the money from his father might had some 455 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: mob dives in Youngstown, Ohio, bought the forty nine ers 456 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven for thirteen million dollars, which I 457 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: wasn't alive in nineteen seventy seven. I would imagine thirteen 458 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: million dollars was a lot of money, and obviously the 459 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: power of TV the revenue like it wasn't It's so 460 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: easy to look back and go no brainer at the time, 461 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: it's I can't imagine the NFL with some full proof 462 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: business that was like recession proof and like a great 463 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: viewed as a great investment. But thirteen million dollars thirteen 464 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: million dollars, and that's what he paid for it. And 465 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: on the current valuation it is a potential to be 466 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: almost nine billion dollars. So Jed Yorke, who is thinking 467 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: about selling ten percent of the team, is in play 468 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: to get between you know, we'll see where the valuation falls, 469 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: but between eight and nine hundred million dollars of a 470 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: cash infusion to his business, and he can obviously do 471 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: whatever he wants with that money. And I think Jeffrey 472 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: Lourry's gonna do the same. John mar is gonna do 473 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: the same. The advantage of being able to do that 474 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: is and we had Jake Rosenberg on the podcast, who 475 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: was Howie Roseman's like right hand man and salary cap 476 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: negotiator for a long long time, is you can get 477 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: around salary cap situations when you're willing to sign enormous 478 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: signing bonuses and what do you need to sign, you know, 479 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: a signing bonus cash. So some teams and Jed and 480 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: Jerry Jones and even Robert Kraft have taken a lot 481 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: of shit up, like they actually don't spend as much 482 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: cash as the wealth of their franchise. Where Jeffrey Lourry's 483 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: running circles around them. He puts a lot of cash 484 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: into his contracts and that's how they're able to sign 485 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: all these good players because you can manipulate it. And 486 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: I would imagine Jed Yorke is going to do the same. Now, 487 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you can't buy one hundred million dollar 488 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 2: yacht or whatever. But where you can really take advantage 489 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: of the value of your franchise is reinvested into the 490 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 2: business and sign players to contracts because of signing bonuses 491 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: that gets them on your team even though you might 492 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: not have quote unquote the salary cap space. But think 493 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: about where we're at in the business of the NFL 494 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: that you can sell a percentage five to ten percent 495 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: and get an infusion of five hundred six hundred eight 496 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars and give up absolutely nothing. I've never 497 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: been the biggest Shark tank watcher, but it's just on 498 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 2: so often. I just found myself over the years watching 499 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: some episodes, and as I got older, I appreciated partnerships 500 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: and business and who owns the revenue a lot more 501 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: from thirty five to forty than I did when I 502 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: was twenty eight. So you know, I could relate a 503 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: little bit more at least to the conversations. And usually 504 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: when it's like, hey, my business is worth a million dollars. 505 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: If you want twenty percent, it's going to cost you 506 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: two hundred grand. And then they would negotiate back, and 507 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: usually it's like, yeah, i'll give you two hundred and 508 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, but I want you know, say I 509 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: want board seats and I want a lot of juice. 510 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: You get none of that with this NFL investment. You 511 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: basically just get to say I own a piece of TMX. 512 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 2: It's why the League made such a big deal of 513 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: the Raiders and Tom Brady when they felt like Mark 514 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: Davis was giving Tom Brady a deal just because he 515 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: wanted him as part of his operation. It's like, Mark, 516 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: you can't sell him a lower percentage of the actual 517 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: valuation and give him a higher percentage of the buy 518 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: And the League pushed back on it and they had 519 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: to like redo the deal. And I think part of 520 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: it is Tom Brady. Listen, I don't know how much 521 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: actual tangible cash he gave through, but he clearly came 522 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: in with other investors that have a lot more money 523 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: than him. Because the price of admission to get five 524 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: or ten percent, you're talking half a billion dollars minimum, 525 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: a lot of these franchise, even the shitty ones. Right, 526 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers are obviously one of the more 527 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: valuable franchises in the NFL, given the market size, given 528 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: the fan base, given just the financial backing that they 529 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: have in the region. With Silicon Valley literally right in there, 530 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where they are. I don't love the 531 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: location of the stadium, but that's because I'm born and 532 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: raised way farther up north. Right, there's a big difference, 533 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: even if it's only forty five to fifty miles from 534 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: where I live. For a decade, I fucking hated driving 535 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: down there, but that is where most of the money is. 536 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: And Jed York was no dummy when he moved it 537 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: down and I think it's led to a franchise being 538 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: worth eight nine billion dollars. A lot of these franchises 539 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: are giants, probably similar seven to eight. You know, the 540 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: Cowboys obviously we were nine ten. Helped the Raiders, who 541 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: haven't won a playoff game in multiple decades. Given Vegas, 542 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: given the stadium, given the no state income tax. If 543 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: Mark Davis put the Vegas Raiders up for sale, I 544 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: think at minimum he would get eight billion dollars. So 545 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: then listen, can this maintain forever? I've often thought, like 546 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: I've lived long enough to know the NFL probably the 547 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: next forty years of my life. Knock on woods, I 548 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: go that far, like when I'm eighty years old, Are 549 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: they still the dominant property? You'd be crazy just to 550 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: feel confident saying that, but right now they feel pretty untouchable. 551 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: And listen, we can go back and forth, and we 552 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: will during free agency. This guy's getting screwed. This guy's 553 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: getting screwed. Like T Higgins, he's really getting screwed. Well, 554 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: even if they franchise him again, which listen, I think 555 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: franchising a guy back to back years is more business 556 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: like that. You're bad at the business of the NFL 557 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: if you franchise a guy back to back years, mainly 558 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: because you clearly want him on your team. And if 559 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: you franchise te Higgins back to back years, you're basically 560 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: paying him forty eight million dollars and both the lump 561 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 2: sums of twenty one and now twenty six million dollars 562 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: hits all of your cap. Meanwhile, you got like the 563 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: AJ Browns and these other guys making big money in 564 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: their cap hit is way lower. T Higgins total, Like, 565 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: if you would as signed him last year, you probably 566 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: could have got him for seventy five million dollars guaranteed. 567 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: Instead you're paying him on a yearly basis. That's impacting 568 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: your Like, it's just stupid. It's to me, it's just 569 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: low level business. But like listen, like T Higgins won't 570 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: love getting franchised, and I'm sure like go back and 571 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: forth in you know, publicly like, oh this bullshit, we're 572 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: getting screwed. He will have just made almost fifty million 573 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: dollars in guaranteed, cold hard cash in his bank account 574 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: after taxes, whatever that comes out to. But still like 575 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: he will have made a boatload of money. I bet 576 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: there are great wide receivers in the two thousands and 577 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: definitely in the nineties that never sniffed making fifty million dollars. Like, 578 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: let's just let's just look up Jerry Rice's career earnings. 579 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: My guess would be, all, go, forty eight million dollars. 580 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: I was high. It was forty three point five million dollars. 581 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: And Jerry Rice obviously was drafted in eighty four, but 582 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: he played at a Pro Bowl level up till the 583 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 2: early two thousands. Now, forty five million dollars back in 584 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: the nineties was a lot of money, but relative to 585 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: what these guys are making, it's it's a completely different world. 586 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: And like I said, franchise stagging a guy back to 587 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: back years, to me is just is poor management. It's 588 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: poor ownership, poor GMing. Like I don't put that on 589 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: T Higgins, and I don't know even if they had 590 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: an offer, you never know quite know what to believe. 591 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: But if you're willing to franchise him a second time, 592 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: and I would say this for any player, wide, receiver, tackle, quarterback, 593 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: you name it, you might as well have just signed 594 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: him to the long term deal because you pay a 595 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: little bit more total in the guarantee, but you're able 596 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: to manipulate the cap and have a better football team. 597 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: And look back in the day with Dan Snyder in 598 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: the Redskins with Kirk Cousins like that was stupid to 599 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: franchise them twice. You should have just extended him. And 600 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: clearly that would have been the right move at the time. 601 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: The volume