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Speaker 1: Going up next our final news round Up and Information

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Speaker 1: Overload Hour. Hey, welcome back to the Sean Handy Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Jordan Secum co hosting with my dad Jay Sakuelo.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard us last Friday on shod Show.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate Seoan the team at Sean Handy Show for

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Speaker 1: having us back this Friday. I've so much happened in

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Speaker 1: between last Friday. We started shooting down a lot more objects.

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Speaker 1: And for Friday Saturday, it's a Friday shootdown, a Saturday shootdown,

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Speaker 1: and Sunday shootdown. People were really sorry for. Is the

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Speaker 1: Northern Illinois Bottle Cap Balloon Brigade. Yes, they may have

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Speaker 1: been there, balloon that got shut down, which I said,

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Speaker 1: you could buy a whole kid for about six hundred bucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we took us. You could go all around the four

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Anyways. Rick w'nell's with us. He is the

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Speaker 1: former director of National Intelligence, our colleague at the American

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Speaker 1: Center for Law Injustice. Rick, I want to start with

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Speaker 1: this tragedy in Ohio with the EPA. We got, you know,

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Speaker 1: airplanes hitting each other on the runways, almost having accidents

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Speaker 1: when they're lay ending. You got trained derailments. You got

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Speaker 1: balloons being shot down. You know, one was a legitimate shootdown,

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Speaker 1: except that should have happened like you know, five days before.

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Speaker 1: And then Pete boodha Jedge is running the Department of Transformation,

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Speaker 1: which is a huge department. So my theory is, don't

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Speaker 1: put a small town mayor in charge of one of

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Speaker 1: your biggest departments of government. You've run those things before.

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Speaker 1: What's your sense? Look, I think let's summarize. We allowed

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Speaker 1: the Chinese to put us five balloon all the way

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Speaker 1: across the United States and we never shot it down,

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Speaker 1: and then we immediately shot down some weather balloons. So

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Speaker 1: the first question is what's going on in the intelligence community.

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Speaker 1: Why are we getting really that information? Did Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: get that information? Did Joe Biden act without information? What's

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Speaker 1: the disconnect between the intelligence community and the briefing of

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Speaker 1: the president. You and I both know that if this

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Speaker 1: would have happened under Donald Trump, there would be calls

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Speaker 1: for investigation and leaks from the intelligence community. By now,

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Speaker 1: I think Abril Haynes, who's the Director of National Intelligence,

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Speaker 1: needs to come forward and be transparent. Transparency is not political,

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Speaker 1: it's not partisan, but it's absolutely needed, because the American

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Speaker 1: public is losing faith in the intelligence community's ability to

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Speaker 1: give rational faith secret information to the president, and we

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Speaker 1: are tired of having intelligence collected information used for partisan purpose.

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Speaker 1: Ye me, Rick, would would we see the instance with

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Speaker 1: the Bellows and now so we talked to on our

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Speaker 1: admal Kirby speaking of behalf the National Security Council, and

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Speaker 1: he kind of said, well, you know, at least we

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Speaker 1: figured out that the intelligence community to they're recreational. They're

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Speaker 1: not trying to take list this a cut one, and

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Speaker 1: there are any feeling of frustration of perhaps this was

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Speaker 1: a twelve dollar hobby balloon from a group of kids

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Speaker 1: in Illinois. After the past, again, given the information that

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Speaker 1: we had at the time and the legitimate concerns about

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Speaker 1: potential surveillance in the wake of the Chinese by balloon,

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Speaker 1: you make decisions based on the best information that you have,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately you have to come down to some core

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Speaker 1: principles when you're making decisions as commander in chief. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: given the circumstances in light of what happened with this

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Speaker 1: turns out that they were in fact civilian or recreational

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Speaker 1: use or weather balloon and therefore benign, which is what

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Speaker 1: the intelligence community thinks. Isn't that a better outcome than

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Speaker 1: greater threats to our national security? So Ricky goes right

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Speaker 1: to the intelligence community there. That's why I want to

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Speaker 1: it was the intelligence community after the fact, because it

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Speaker 1: couldn't have been these are just small, personal, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of these pilots that they've spoken out the anonymously,

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Speaker 1: but they've said, you know, we didn't really know what

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Speaker 1: not going to shoot it down. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: so they overruled the intelligence Rick you're saying, I want

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Speaker 1: that over putting America first, because let's be honest, they've

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Speaker 1: jumping to shoot down objects that clearly were not threats.

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Speaker 1: And so the big question that our oversight committees and

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Speaker 1: the President and the National Security Advisor in both instances.

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Speaker 1: We need to know what was the th right assessment.

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Speaker 1: We need to understand what that information is because if

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Speaker 1: If the intelligence community got it wrong, that's an even

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Speaker 1: bigger problem. I've got to follow this up, though, We've

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Speaker 1: when he talked about, you know, the Chinese, we're talking

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Speaker 1: And I know the question was about the President Biden

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Speaker 1: but Secretary Blincoln still has an open line of communication

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Speaker 1: so the lines are open. Unfortunately, the military lines aren't open.

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Speaker 1: And that's really what we would like to see amended.

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Speaker 1: And it was of course curtailed after a speaker Pelosi

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Speaker 1: I think it's ironic and we are not the military

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Speaker 1: This isn't an outrage that that that they haven't been

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Speaker 1: He is a disaster of an ambassador. He's been known

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Speaker 1: I mean, he literally is hot by the Chinese in

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Speaker 1: I think the lack of power coming out of this

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Speaker 1: took the Hoothies off the terrorist list and immediately the

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Speaker 1: States to have a leader that constantly messages weakness. We're

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Speaker 1: not the only ones in America. Let's see it the

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Speaker 1: entire world. National Intelligence as part of our team at

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Speaker 1: the American Center for Law Injustice, as our senior advisor

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Speaker 1: come on, let's let's let's pull the covers in the

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Speaker 1: curtains away here. This is what the EPA would live for,

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Speaker 1: us to fight for this, right, all these organizations may

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Speaker 1: not all screaming at the hilltops about fixing and getting

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Speaker 1: getting action in place. I was at Flint, Michigan. I

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Speaker 1: saw truckloads of water being delivered, bottled water. We were

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Speaker 1: all over the news about Flint, Michigan. You guys remember that, right, absolutely? Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course? Why why are we why is this issue

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Speaker 1: being raised holdheartedly by the local people brought to the

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Speaker 1: attention of the people in America by the by by tweets.

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Speaker 1: This should be something that we as federal agencies should

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Speaker 1: be on the ground dealing with hands first. And let

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Speaker 1: me just say, you know as well, we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining and say you give you this this insight.

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Speaker 1: Uh is former special age of the EPA. And again

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Speaker 1: he's exactly right where he said, you know too, this

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Speaker 1: was not getting attention. It's because the news gave it attention.

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Speaker 1: Twitter gave it attention, people spoke out and the intesting

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Speaker 1: he was talking about to you. But Norfolk Southern was

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Speaker 1: trying to get it there to be the head. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna ask you this. You know,

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Speaker 1: we now have it pretty much confirmed because Norfolk Southern

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Speaker 1: said that they were sending a thousand dollars checks to

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Speaker 1: people in those zip codes, which included a release language

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Speaker 1: in the in the letter and in the check saying

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Speaker 1: that this is a release of all claims and liability.

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Speaker 1: So when you mentioned the idea of civil and criminal

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Speaker 1: fraud issues, are you talking about the the train company

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Speaker 1: themselves would here be Norfolk Southern. Look at their press

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Speaker 1: release that they had on the thirteenth of February. What

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Speaker 1: they're doing and how they're taking the lead, and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: why are they, explanation point a thousand times taking the

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Speaker 1: lead on this. They should be in the corner. And

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Speaker 1: who should be taking the lead is the federal government.

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Speaker 1: They should have investigators on the ground, folks in Hasmart,

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Speaker 1: independent of anybody else, like a crime scene, looking at everything.

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Speaker 1: And here's my question to all of you. This happened

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Speaker 1: had a control burn. They popped holes into those tankers

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Speaker 1: to leak out the fuel the chemicals so they could

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Speaker 1: do a control burn. Sounds like they had plenty of

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Speaker 1: time to go to either Plan B, C or D

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Speaker 1: and not have to do a control burned. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to know who made those decisions. I want to see

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Speaker 1: the communication on that end. I'd like to freeze everyone's communications,

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Speaker 1: starting with this company, to find out who made the

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Speaker 1: back round door deal. I'm doing the control birth. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm an avid hunter, as you know, I retired from

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Speaker 1: the EPA. Okay, I love the environment. I'm a Republican,

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Speaker 1: but I believe in government oversight for these reasons. For

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Speaker 1: these reasons. So this is a bipartiy. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is the proper role government. We appreciate you, joyous Nino

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Speaker 1: Parada with all this insight from the EPA great information.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. We really appreciate it. And

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Speaker 1: again our hearts and prayers to the people in this region.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say this again, the lack of you

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Speaker 1: is why you do payper sure it is and it's

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Speaker 1: of happies can't do that. If you're in the East

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Speaker 1: Palaceine right now in East Palestine, you're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is those people are really suffering. And

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Speaker 1: shame on Norfolk Southern I mean, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: they're trying to explain it was a mistake that those

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Speaker 1: letters went out. There are really good law firms. I

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Speaker 1: will go to work on this. I'm telling that right now.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that are going to push back

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Speaker 1: on this because this was what a horrible tragedy. Those

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Speaker 1: We've senior staff that live in from Ohio and they

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Speaker 1: were telling us today how serious this issue is. But

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Speaker 1: we're not going to get off this. I know Sean's

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Speaker 1: not either. We're gonna make sure we can see justice

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Speaker 1: for these folks because it's serious. I don't like the

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Speaker 1: federal government's inability to coordinate CZAR. The industry doesn't seize

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Speaker 1: the power where they're actually supposed to be in charge now.

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Speaker 1: They don't do it at the border. They don't do

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Speaker 1: And they don't do it when you have a toxic dump,

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