1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: It's the best of two pros and a couple Joe 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: with Lamar Rings and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox on 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: We want to get this out of the way. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: Man, it is what it is. Everybody, What are you going. 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: To do, because yeah, social media was alive and well 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: on Saturday, I wouldn't know. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave it. I gave it a break on Saturday. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: He took it, took time away, took a little time 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: off from from social Yeah, that was I did not 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: I was there. I had to watch that in person. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: What was the crowd split? You see, First of all, 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: we had more We probably had more people there. It 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: might have been like fifty two fifty five to their 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, forty whatever. It was not a lot of 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: people there. I mean there was like I don't know, man, 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: I was I was joking before. I was joking before 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: the game, like this is crazy, Like imagine being the 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: ad of a school like this. Like no support there was, 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: like literally it was such a small percentage of people supportive. 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: By the way, and even the little bit of support 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: you're supposed to have Martin Jarman doesn't have because they're 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: trying to fire him based on everything that's transpired. So 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: I mean there's literally like a hashtag a campaign the 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: whole thing on campus. 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: So well, another one probably emerged after that weekend that 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: that game in that venue in particular. 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: Jeez, man, all right, can I can I have kind 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: of step up the bat because you go back a'ta 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: be honest with you this this this actually pissed me off, 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 4: Like this game pissed me off. Now it's not for 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 4: like the personal emotional reasons that like this was one 33 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 4: of my favorite bets of the week. Honestly, what it is, 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: it's like there's too much potential on that team. There's 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: too many good players on that roster. There's been so 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: much money invested into that program, into Jim Knowles, Andy 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: Kotalnikki for them to come out and literally flop flop 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: like that and we can sit there and we can 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: talk about, hey, they allowed Oregon to beat them twice, 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 4: or there was a couple injuries, bullshit, Like I'm gonna 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: say it, that's bs to me. This has happened now 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: three times in the history of college. 43 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 5: Football where a team that was zero to four. 44 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: Has been a top ten team since nineteen fifty five. 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 5: Here are the only two other times it's happened. 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty five BYU got upset by UTEP, nineteen fifty eight, 47 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: Navy upset by Tulame. 48 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 5: That's it. And then Penn State. 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: And I think what bothers me the most about it 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: is and this is not like at James Franklin or 51 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: shot at James Franklin. The truth of the matter is 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: like there's a lot of parody. 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: In college football. 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: Like I watched that game and I thought to myself, 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 4: all right, like, if Niko and Malaiava's not there, does 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: you sillly win that game? 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 5: Probably not. 58 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: He's that talented of a player where they can have 59 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: a few guys and they can have a stud quarterback 60 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: even on a team that's own four. That again one 61 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: of the most the biggest underdogs you'll ever see, and 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: they can still find a way. 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 5: To win some of these games. 64 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: And so it's not I guess that's surprising because of 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: the way college football or the direction that's going, But 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: it ticks me off for the players because that program, 67 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: Penn State and then just being there on campus, the 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: fan base, everything else, there's so much behind it, and 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: every single time they underachieve. 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 5: Like you're You're not in the same vein of Michigan 71 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 5: or Ohio State. You're not. 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: I'm sorry that may come off this pass go ahead. 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: It makes me so mad though, for the players because 74 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 4: it's wasted. Like I I you know, I know Drew 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: a little bit. That's a great flipping kid, and I 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: don't know if it's him. I don't know if it's 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: the offense. Like I don't know if Andy cole Niky 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: got called up to the Yankees and he forgot how 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 4: to hit like that, that happens, right, How many baseball 80 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: players we see go to the Yankees and they get 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: there like, yeah, they're not as good as they once were. 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 4: They just they can't handle that pressure of the big 83 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: stage of blue blood like that. 84 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it is at Kansas. 85 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 5: I watched him. He's innovative, he's creative. 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 4: I watch his Penn State offensive like it stinks. It stinks, 87 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: and look back. Maybe it's just hours not as good 88 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 4: as I thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think 89 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 4: I am. I think I'm pretty damn good at like 90 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 4: what I do and evaluating teams, players, the whole whole thing. 91 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: And so I I sit there and I look at 92 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: James Frank, I'm like, where else do we want to 93 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: point the finger? Like, like, where else are we gonna 94 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: point it at this point because if I'm a fan, 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: if I'm a player, like I look at what could 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 4: have been this season, arguably rose talented team. I'm not 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 4: gonna say ever, but at least at least in the 98 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 4: last two decades, and it's all gone to waste now 99 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: because they got a really really tough stretch. They gotta 100 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: play Ohio State in Indiana back to back weeks. I 101 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 4: don't think they win both those games and that and 102 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: at nine to three they're not getting in. I'm sorry 103 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 4: they're not. And it ticks me off because of what 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: could have been for these players, what could have been 105 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 4: for some of those guys, you know, as well as 106 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 4: anyone LeVar guys came back, and so to sit here 107 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: and watch Jerry Neuheisel, who's never called a game before 108 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 4: ever in his life. 109 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: Two days time to prepare. 110 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, having having trouble calling the place 111 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 4: because he would have his microphone up above his head 112 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 4: because he used to be in a position coach and. 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: Talking to the players, hitting the wrong button. 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 4: Couldn't even operationally get the plays in running laps around gymnalls. 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: The whole thing was pathetic. Well, yeah, I won't, I'm 116 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: not usually out of loss for words. Uh, all you 117 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 3: had to do was put a guy in the middle 118 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: of that defense that could run as fast as the quarterback. 119 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: And it was never done. And and literally, I mean 120 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: there were there were mistakes the the on side. Give 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: credit to u c l A. They they saw something 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: and they took advantage of it and it worked. But 123 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: they came out in that first first drive and Penn 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: State couldn't stop the run when they made when they 125 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: were able to get ahead of the downs and of 126 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: the chains, all they did was allow for the receivers 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: to clear it, clear it out. The linebackers seemed to 128 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: be in in coverage as well, and Nico ran. Nico 129 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: ran them to a victory. And that shouldn't When you 130 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: have a team is talented and as loaded as as 131 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: Penn States is, that just shouldn't happen. I'm hoping that 132 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: this is a wake up call for them. It certainly 133 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: is a reality check for our fan base because we've 134 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: always taken these games for granted and now it's like 135 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: now you get to feel what losing really feels like. 136 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: Like there's a disappointment when you lose a big game 137 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: and you can talk about, oh, we haven't won the 138 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: big game. We don't win the big game, okay, but 139 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: when you lose a game like that, the pain I 140 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: felt when that clock struck zero was way different than 141 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: the disappointment I felt when we lost in overtime, double 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: overtime to Oregon. It's felt different. 143 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: It's a respectable loss. 144 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: I just didn't looking at the way we played in 145 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: that game. My most critical takeaway was we don't look 146 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: like a team an outfit that is improving. It looks 147 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: like a team that is struggling to figure out ways 148 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: to have success. And that just can't be what the 149 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: observation is when you're a major, major power five blue 150 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: blood program. It can't like saying, can't mention in the 151 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: same breath as some of those those teams like a 152 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: Michigan or Ohio State. It's it didn't it again. You 153 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: can have a bad day and and you could look 154 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: at it and say, Okay, they had a bad day. 155 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: They you know, they Cotpenstate off guard. But for me, 156 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: because I go to all of these games, and I 157 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: watch it and I break it down. You know, I 158 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: don't really watch as a fan. I can't. I watch 159 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: as if I were coaching the game, or if I 160 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: was you know, Okay, how what are the in game adjustments? 161 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: This is what they're trying to do. They had no 162 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: real strategy, honestly, I mean, you'd have to assume it 163 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: was very, very very simple in terms of let's try 164 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: to stay on time, let's let's try to win the 165 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: early downs and hope that we can fight in the 166 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: later downs. They and that's what they They really did that, 167 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: I mean, they stayed ahead. We really did not slow 168 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: them down in the first half. I don't think they 169 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: punted one time, if I recall correctly, I don't. I 170 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: was in such shock I might have missed some of it, 171 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: but I don't think they punted one time in the 172 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: first in the first half, and and so it's one 173 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: of those games. It's concerning to me. It's disappointing, like 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: you said, Q, for me one hundred percent, looking at 175 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: those young men in their faces and seeing just the disappointment, 176 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: which I would say that that leads to what my 177 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: biggest concern is. You know, your biggest concern when looking 178 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: at a team with so much talent, is did you 179 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: lose them like that? They are they losing hope on 180 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: the season and because you saw I saw something that, 181 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: like I just did. The demeanor of them when they 182 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: were walking off of the field. Man, it just it 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: wasn't good. 184 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: Do you think if they if they win that Oregon game, 185 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: does that happen on Saturday. I don't think it does. 186 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know because I don't like. 187 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta shake off a loss, and you 188 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: gotta and you gotta have you gotta have yourself ready 189 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: and prepared to play that next week. Now, I'll be 190 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: the first one to say I won't. I won't throw 191 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: stones from a glass house. I mean, but it was 192 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: a different time. When I was in school. We lost 193 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: a hell Mary last second kick, Minnesota beats us, We 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: go on a three game skit. We lost the next 195 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: two games. Now I think that was I think the 196 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: next game we were fighting the idea of we knew 197 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: we weren't going to have an opportunity to play in 198 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: the National Championship Game. And I don't know, no, I 199 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: was thinking. I was talking when I was in school 200 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: so I'm saying I don't want to be I don't 201 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: want to be a critical person of saying that their 202 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: emotions was the reason why they lost, because I know 203 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: that's how we lost when I was in school. This 204 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: is what I'm saying, the example I'm given, So I 205 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: don't I don't want to sit here and say I'm 206 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: holier than that, say no, that it couldn't have been 207 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: an emotional loss that took place. I just I just 208 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: don't think that they looked good coming off of a 209 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: rebound game like that should have been the game that 210 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: was dialed up doctors' orders. That's your prescription. Go play UCLA. 211 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: You'll get back in the win column. Get yourselves together, 212 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: you come back, you have you have homecoming with Northwestern, 213 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: get right in that game, and then then you're you're 214 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 3: really ready for the meat of the schedule to make 215 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: the run for the playoffs. You know. I just didn't 216 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: feel as though this team looked as they just didn't 217 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: look like they've improved. And that that's concerning my two concerns. 218 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 3: They didn't look like they have really improved as a team. 219 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: And is this locker room lost. 220 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: But that's what happens when you play cupcakes out the stretch, 221 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: which was talked about and discussed. 222 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 5: And there's a reality to it, like this is not 223 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: that Dan and age. 224 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: Of college football anymore. 225 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 5: Where you play this you know, sisious of the blind 226 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 5: for the first three weeks. 227 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: And then you get into some real games and you 228 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: then struggle and you wonder why. I don't know what, 229 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 4: maybe why other teams have played power forward programs. They 230 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: were prepared for the physicality, they're prepared for the scheme, 231 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: the you know, better talent they're playing against. Here's what 232 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: I know is this Penn State program is said ceiling, 233 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: and it pains me to say that. I really like 234 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: James Franklin, and I'm not like a believer that you 235 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 4: need to always you know, there just needs to be 236 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: changed sometimes for change's sake. 237 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 5: But based on how this season is going to go. 238 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 4: Nine, eight and four and it doesn't make the playoff, 239 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 4: we'll see what happens at a bowl game be meaningless 240 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 4: at that point. I would not be shocked if they 241 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 4: don't start looking around. I just I don't know what 242 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: other direction you go, Like this was such a loaded 243 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: up all in year, and LaVar, I'm sure you know 244 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 4: the detail is better than I do. But you look 245 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: at the past two years, the way Michigan did it 246 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: two years ago, the High State did this last year. 247 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: This felt like that year for Penn State and they 248 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: wildly unachieved and it's literally taken them to what we're 249 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: going in the Week seven of college football. 250 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: I have no response to it other than other it's 251 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: a weird conversation for me because I do know a lot, 252 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: so I got to stay away from it just to 253 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: protect my own interest in the school's interest. But it 254 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: wasn't a good look, I'll say that. And while there's 255 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: still time, you got to say it's it's definitely a situation. 256 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: What what did they say to coaching? Uh and in 257 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: the program you I'm not saying you lost your job yet, 258 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: but you do need to win. And I think it's 259 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: taken on a different meaning of winning now. So I 260 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: hope they can win. 261 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: Look, yeah, if they beat Ohio State, you know, that 262 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 4: might change the perception. Can't lose the Indiana the next 263 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: week though, Yeah, I know Indiana has a I know 264 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: Indiana has a big one. 265 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 5: This week and won't find more about them then, But 266 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 5: I just. 267 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: Man, that was that was tough to watch exactly the 268 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: confidence man like like I'll come away from a loss 269 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: and be like, that's our It was like like the 270 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: Oregon game. It was like we had it. We had 271 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: that game, Like we had it. Defense ran out of gas, 272 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: but we had it. We could have got that game. 273 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: This game, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my god, 274 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: we're going to lose this game. We're we're really gonna 275 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: We're We're really going to lose it. I'm really going 276 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: to lose this bro. They were and it's the manner 277 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: of which some of the things happened. Like they were 278 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: on the sideline. They were like dancing, they were throwing, 279 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: they were they were like like oop, do you and 280 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: their coaches like they got their holding the coaches throwing 281 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: like they're out of bar mitzvah or something like that. 282 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: I don't think people listening in other parts of the 283 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: country understand how little people care about UCLA. 284 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: Out here. 285 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: Nobody cares. 286 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: There was nobody there. 287 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: Nobody cares. It's like they are a non story. 288 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: There was like twenty people there and they were saying 289 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: over and it was really loud. 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How do you job? 309 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: I don't call what it is. 310 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: How How the f does Tennessee win that game? Oh? 311 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: I know how? Because we're still doing the whole drop 312 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: the ball before the end zone when you're on the 313 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: way to score a thing like that's still happening. And 314 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: then that just led to everything else that fell apart 315 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: for them, that crazy Tyler Lockett scramble fumble for a touchdown, 316 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: just all of it. That was the worst loss of 317 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: the season. And I don't I'm looking around going if 318 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: you're Arizona or if you're like guys, are you starting 319 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: to question, like, hey, what are we doing here? Because 320 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: they're they're losing games close And then that happened and somehow, 321 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: some way, the Tennessee Titans are in the win column. 322 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: That was brutal. 323 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: Well again, like Tennessee had no business winning that game. No, 324 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 4: like they did really nothing to win that game outside 325 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 4: of jump on a ball that was intercepted, then fumbled, 326 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 4: then ping ponged around until it fell in the end zone. 327 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: Like the entire second half to come back. It was nice. 328 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 4: I just you'll never see a play like that ever again. No, 329 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 4: that interception fumble ball, like the whole thing, how that 330 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: worked out, You'll never see that ever again in the 331 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 4: history of football. 332 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: I feel really. 333 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 5: Safe in saying that. 334 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, the crowd was shocked, like they like you 335 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: could you couldn't actually believed that this was happening because 336 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: they were u put by eighteen. And yeah, Tennessee could 337 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 2: generate nothing. Brian Callahan's having a deforce. 338 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: Twenty one six A halftime, twenty one to six I halftime, 339 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: And they blanked each other in the third quarter. Yeah, 340 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: no one scored in the third quarter. It's terrible. They 341 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: gave up a sixteen. They gave up a sixty. Yeah, 342 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: I can read see that. See that thing it says 343 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: b O x box. Yeah, so anyway you can you 344 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: can gain that from looking at it. I mean, I 345 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: did watch the game some of. 346 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 5: It, trust me, buddy. If you didn't know it would 347 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: play you. 348 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I did. I did, and and I kind 349 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: of reflected the box score. They the Arizona Cardinals started 350 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: off pretty pretty quickly. You know. They were able to 351 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: move up and down the field. They had good offense, 352 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: and they they held up on defense like they were 353 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: able to limit them. And it seems like it seemed 354 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: like they were doing what they wanted to do and 355 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 3: they had settled into what their game plan was going 356 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: to be. Now you go make your adjustments. They came 357 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: out at half. It seemed to be more of a 358 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: defensive struggle. They couldn't, you know, maybe lost their rhythm. 359 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what went wrong, but they 360 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: did find a way to lose the game. I don't 361 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: know that that was Tennessee finding a way to win 362 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: it more so than it was Arizona's finding a way 363 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: to lose it. So, and of course the obviously the 364 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: dropping the ball before you went to the I kind 365 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: of thought it was a touchdown. Honestly, I thought his 366 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: foot broke the plane. Now I know it's about the 367 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: ball breaking the plane, and it was starting to you know, 368 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: he was starting to come loose of the ball. Yeah, 369 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: that was the problem, I kind of but I kind 370 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: of felt like it was still it still was kind 371 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: of a touchdown. 372 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: If he had if he had the ball in his 373 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: hand without it moving at all, and the tip of 374 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: the ball all it hits the goal line, it's touchdown. 375 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: I kind of felt like it did. 376 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: But why why even take I know. 377 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 5: Why is this the thing? 378 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: Why is this the thing? It's the stupidest thing in football. 379 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: It's so dumb, Like what do you gain out of 380 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 4: dropping the ball that close to it? Drop it once 381 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: you get out the back of the end zone? Like, 382 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: does it look any any less cool? I don't get it, 383 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 4: am I just like that. 384 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: Out of touch? My told? 385 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 5: Is it because I'm white? 386 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 4: Like, help me understand, Hold on, help me understand, Like 387 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: what makes that? 388 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: What makes that cool? What makes that? 389 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 7: Like? 390 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 5: What you do? 391 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 3: I mean, Lorena, are you not paying it? You're not 392 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: going hit You're not going to hit the racial racist? 393 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 5: But question hit. 394 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: Racist? There's options? 395 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: Okay, I mean that one can't ask that questions all. 396 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: The way over the raisan, but I'm with him. I 397 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: can relate, so. 398 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 5: I can't ask the question why. 399 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: I don't understand why players just game? 400 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: What? What type of players? 401 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 5: Who players? 402 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: It's all players, A white guy, what type of it? 403 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 3: Because I'm saying what type of players? What type of 404 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: players are dropping the ball early? 405 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: We've already we've already. 406 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: Been spiking the ball early. 407 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: Let's see we can go for three down. 408 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: No one's spiking drop before. 409 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 8: No. 410 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: I just like, I literally just called a game. And 411 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 4: you've got a really talented play and Ada guy Mitchell 412 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: who's not playing because he's being disciplined. And mind you, 413 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: by the way, like the coaching staff is like, look 414 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: like we felt like we had to do this because 415 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 4: the locker room was so upset about it. 416 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: The Colts legitimate should probably be undefeated. 417 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 4: They should be undefeated, and like because of that one play, 418 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: they're not okay. 419 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: Here's my question from when you guys were playing. If 420 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: you see somebody make an egregious air like that, a 421 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: mistake that could have been avoided, a dumb play like 422 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: ad Mitchell did the week before, is your coaching staff 423 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: as a teaching point on other teams that like the 424 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: next couple of days, is you, hey, by the way, 425 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: friendly reminder, we don't want to do this, Like, don't 426 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: do that because apparently that didn't happen in Arizona. 427 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: Because it happened, it just doesn't a week late. It 428 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: just like it just doesn't make sense. There's no way 429 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: to calculate how that makes any sense at any point 430 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: in time. So it's so it's just that can't get right. 431 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 4: Move. So let me say, is if a player is 432 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: trying to reach for the goal line, which that actually, honestly, Jonas, 433 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: is more of a coaching point, like when a player's 434 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: going through the fenders going to reach, or if it's 435 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 4: like close, so they try to reach, a lot of 436 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 4: coaches will teach to not do that because they're concerned 437 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: about it getting knocked out going out the end zone. 438 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: So Derek Carry, that's actually like a legitimate on tape 439 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: coaching thing. You don't know, what's never talked about is 440 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: dropping the ball when there's no one around you running 441 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 4: in the end zone the time, because it's the stupidest 442 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 4: thing ever. 443 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: Because the. 444 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: Celebration, they just assume, Man, nobody's that dumb. Nobody's gonna 445 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: do that. 446 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: It's like, why am I gonna coach dumb? 447 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 5: That guy's not gonna be on my team. 448 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 4: So like it's I can't believe this, Like you just 449 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 4: saw a player do it last week, How does it 450 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: happen again? 451 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: And by the way, Jonathan Gannon was fired up. 452 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you saw the clip of him 453 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: when he went over to Demarcado and he gave him 454 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: a good old chess bump. 455 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: I mean, like why wouldn't you because everything fell apart 456 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: after that, just like they completely, like everything fell apart. 457 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 2: And it's not not to blame him on you know, 458 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 2: the other mistakes and the flukey play, but you just 459 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: you go back to that one and you go, oh wow, 460 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: that that really would have been the difference between them 461 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: winning and losing that game. 462 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: And that's crazy, It's that's crazy. 463 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: I don't understand, Like I. 464 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: Said, I still would debate on his Jonah doesn't understand, 465 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 4: but he like, but LeVar, do you understand? 466 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: Does it make sense to you? No, it doesn't, it doesn't. 467 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: It does not make sense to me. 468 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 5: It's not because I'm white. 469 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 3: Then well I didn't bring up you said because is 470 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: it because I'm white? I didn't say because you're white, 471 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: you don't understand. 472 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 4: You on you people would say there's some people in 473 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: life that wouldn't understand it because they're white. 474 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 3: People would say, based off of that statement, you're classifying 475 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 3: this bone hitted move. No, that's still a different racial 476 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: group would take it. 477 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: I mean, tell you, Jonas, it's may see the equivalent 478 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: of LeVar telling us you guys never played the game. 479 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, so we can't relate to it. 480 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: Just when you think Jonahs is gonna say something's gonna help. 481 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: Him, I just like, you know, tries to get. 482 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: Off the tangent. I don't think he asking the question. Like, 483 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 4: By the way, that's part of the issue with our 484 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 4: society is no one. 485 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 5: Can ask questions anymore. 486 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: I was just saying, people ask a question. No, don't 487 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: put that evil on me. Ricky, Bobby, what you said 488 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 3: so stop, I said, like, I helped me understand why there. 489 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 2: Is a white guy, a white guy who had a 490 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: habit of reaching the ball for the goal line and 491 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: it fall a slipping way. Was Derek Carr. Derek Carr 492 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: did at least one. 493 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: All I know is he said, can I not understand 494 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: it because I'm a white guy? Coop? What is what 495 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: would your conclusion be if he if somebody said that, 496 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: that's not being scient that's not being sensive, that's saying okay. 497 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 3: That means that white guys don't do this. So I 498 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 3: can't understand. 499 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 4: That it doesn't do that with who does it? It 500 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: has to do with why I can't understand why, Like 501 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: what's cool that? 502 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 7: Why? 503 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Coop? Can your white ass explain this to us? 504 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: Please? Coop? Please come on, Coop, I don't want to 505 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: be involved. Come on, Coop? 506 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: What are you ashamed to be white? 507 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: Maybe? 508 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: Right? 509 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: I mean because Coop has to agree with me, like 510 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: you're if the way it was presented, it was like, hey, look, 511 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to all the way I can understand 512 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: is this happens. I would have to be in the 513 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: racial group that does this to be able to understand 514 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: how this happens, which the more I thought about it, 515 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: I was like, dang, I can't come off with a 516 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: white dude that's done it. Come on one that's done it. 517 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: Like Jonas is like car when he was trying to 518 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: go across. It's like, yeah, dude, it's a He was 519 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: trying to help. I'm trying to try to help. 520 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: I'm trying to make LeVar feel comfortable here. 521 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: But hey man, you can't make me uncomfortable because I'm 522 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: not sensitive. But call it what it is. 523 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 9: You said you couldn't understand that, Help me understand that, 524 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 9: to help you understand college what you wanted to Jonas? 525 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: Jon didn't play. 526 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: Damn and he didn't. 527 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: And also for you to ask the question. 528 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: And also I'm not black, so I don't I don't 529 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: qualify for this. 530 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 3: I really should want to beach. I asked, is over 531 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: this for real? What I mean, just just because on 532 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: the principle is standing on business of being a black 533 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: asked the question to condemn him for that? I should, Yeah, 534 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: But Jonas is we already know he's a confirmed racist. 535 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: We we know this, So that's all right, But you Q, 536 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: I was expecting more from you. Q I wouldn't expected 537 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: use your understand this, you know. 538 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 4: Throwing around a term that, hey, probably doesn't have any 539 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 4: business in sports talking. 540 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know you took you Look, don't 541 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: get sensitive now you threw out like I'm asking for 542 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 3: your explanation. Don't try to reverse on me. 543 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: You know, if somebody just turned on their car right now, 544 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: they're driving, like all, the first thing they hear is 545 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: Jonas is a confirmed racist. 546 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: Brady Quinn just said, and I'm against it. Hey, hey, 547 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: there's no place for that type of No, there's no 548 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: place for those types of references in sports talk radio. 549 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: Like what. 550 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 4: I'm saying that I'm saying, we throw around the word 551 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 4: racist very loosely. 552 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I do, because well that's a 553 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: whole different conversation. Wait, why do you do that. There's 554 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: a different conversation. You know, what do you throw it around? 555 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: LaVar around? I unlike most people have a sense of humor, 556 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: and when there are serious issues, there are serious issues. 557 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: When I use I just tend to not use it 558 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: in serious issues, that's all. I stay away from the 559 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: serious issues with those types of terms, and I keep 560 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 3: them in a lighter, a lighter issue, which makes it 561 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: more you know, fun for me. That's that's kind of 562 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: how I approach it. You know, if it was something 563 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: like that was really really serious, that you wouldn't hear 564 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: me handle it that way. But this, this, in this 565 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 3: moment in particular, the way you sit it, the way 566 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: you sit it, and the way Jonas totally walked right 567 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: into it with you. Yeah, it was fun. That's my loyalty. 568 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: Though this was fun. I have fun with it. I 569 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 3: have fun, that's all. 570 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 571 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and 572 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. 573 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: We're gonna get something done right now with the one 574 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: and only Peter Cristo, Senior NFL Columns receiver. Yes, Sports CBS, 575 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: Sports HQ analyst. You can get them on x at 576 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: Prisco CBS. 577 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: He good morning. Are you coming in here and clearing 578 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: your throat like that? Man? 579 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 5: God, Bro, that wasn't me. Oh, that was that was me. 580 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 5: That was one Pete pre that was me. Don't put 581 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 5: it on by. 582 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 8: The way, and by the way to Tomore, it's it's 583 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 8: coming from Brady who says he never gets sick. Who's 584 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 8: been sick for about fifteen days. 585 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: I will admit it now, dude, My my health journey 586 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 4: has been, uh been quite the adventure of the past 587 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: few weeks. 588 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 8: So what do you got? 589 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: What do you got? 590 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 8: Cold? Brady? 591 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: We were I don't know now, it might be like pneumonia. 592 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: I think I didn't. I didn't catch it and knock 593 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 5: it out quick enough. 594 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 8: Jeez, oh, Brady, you got to get that out of you. Man, 595 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 8: that could be dangerous. 596 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 5: And what do you do for pneumonia? 597 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 8: What you rest? And of course you don't. 598 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 5: Do that, but there's not gonna be a chance for that. 599 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 8: So hey, hey, Brady, we were listening. We put your 600 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 8: sound on the game in the green room, and we 601 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 8: listened to you, and everybody in there it goes, oh 602 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 8: my god, that doesn't even sound like Brady. And I said, 603 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 8: you know why, because last week I said, I mentioned 604 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 8: to him that he says he never gets sick, and 605 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 8: he you know what, you said, you had allergies, And 606 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 8: they go, there's no chance he has allergies, No chance. 607 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: Everybody I was. 608 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: I was hyped up on a lot of different stuff, 609 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 4: so hopefully didn't sound too bad. 610 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 8: No, you didn't you sound You sounded very good on 611 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 8: the game. You just didn't sound like yourself. 612 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I haven't for like six weeks. 613 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: Man. 614 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 5: It's it's weird. 615 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: Pete. Can you explain why it is guys continue to 616 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 2: drop the ball before they crossed the goal line? 617 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: What is that? 618 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, to gain idiots and idiots and moron I mean, well. 619 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: That is that target to get certain people are Why 620 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: would you say, LeVar see you already saying what the target? No, 621 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm asking you because I can hear you, Pete. Yes, 622 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: the last segment we we had, we broached this conversation 623 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: and Brady asked the question, can I not understand this 624 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: because I'm a white guy? What would your conclusion be 625 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: after hearing Brady Quinn say that, I don't think. 626 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 8: It matters if you're white or black or whatever. It's 627 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 8: just stupidity. 628 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: That is stupidity. But that's not what I'm asking you. 629 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 3: I'm saying if you heard that, what would your conclusion 630 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: be as to why Brady Quick would say that? 631 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 8: I don't Brady, why did you say that? 632 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why I can't understand. I think you'd 633 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: be scared enough not to not take it. 634 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 4: I can't understand how a player would do that. And 635 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 4: so the only other former player on this show is Lafar. 636 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 4: I asked him and he went out, He's like, what's 637 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: that supposed to me? 638 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: Wait? Wait, I just happened to be a blend dude 639 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: and you happen to be a white All of a sudden, 640 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: Penn State gets bludgeoned by UCLA. He turns into a 641 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: little whimpy boy. Yeah, you can't answer the question, pet. 642 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 8: Because no in funny, you guys talking about that this 643 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 8: last night on the show. We were talking about it 644 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 8: and I said, it's, you know, really stupid to do it, 645 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 8: and and Ran Carthon said something about cache or you know, 646 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 8: for your Graham or whatever, and I go, okay, where's 647 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 8: what's cool about dropping the football? Even if you drop 648 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 8: it half the yard? 649 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 3: Explained to me? And that was but you but you qualified? 650 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 3: You qualify it by do I not understand because I'm 651 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: a white guy. That's a fair question. This is a question. 652 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 3: He doesn't qualify how that's a fair question. Okay, but 653 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: why is it because you're a white guy you can't understand. 654 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 2: I think Pete's the perfect I'd asked him because obviously 655 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: LeVar is black, Brady and I are white, and Pete's tan. 656 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: So he spots the difference, he splits the difference, and 657 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: so we needed an expert. 658 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: So Pete so good? You know what? 659 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 7: Good? 660 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 8: What's the reason for it? Though, LeVar? What's you? 661 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 3: I'm scared. I've scored a lot of touchdowns in my day, 662 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: and not one of them did I? I dropped the 663 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 3: ball early? Or do something early? 664 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: Man? 665 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 3: But before I crossed the goal? Lad for one? But 666 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: for two? Why am I the one that I'm getting 667 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 3: the question directed to? 668 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 8: Right? 669 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 3: I feel like this is an obvious there's an obvious 670 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 3: undertone connected here. 671 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 8: I directed it well, I directed it to everybody. And 672 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 8: the reality is, when I think about it, what's the 673 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 8: point of it? 674 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: Though? If you don't know, I don't know, why Why 675 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 3: would Why would I know? I don't, I don't know. 676 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 8: I'm asking all of you. 677 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 3: I know you said, LeVar, just like Q. Did you 678 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 3: directed it towards me as well? I don't. Actually I 679 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: didn't direct it at you. I am offending anything. I 680 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 3: just wanted to. 681 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 5: I asked a general question. 682 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: I would a white guy not understand a guy dropping 683 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 3: the ball early before going into the enzo I. It 684 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: was a fair legitimate question from him. In my defense, 685 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 3: I asked it initially to everyone. I know. It's a 686 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 3: general quest, which is okay to say. It's okay for 687 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 3: you to say what you meant. 688 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 8: You know what last week? Last week was, Mitchell was 689 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 8: God's doing it? 690 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 2: Damn it? 691 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: All right, thank you, thank you. I'm just saying the 692 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: truth shall set you free. I'm sorry. Thank I go. 693 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 3: And it sucks because I know there's probably something out there, 694 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 3: but it's not in the NFL. I haven't seen it 695 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 3: from a white dude. I looked at down. It's like, wait, 696 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 3: hold on, why dude, if none, I haven't seen any 697 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 3: to do it. 698 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, they don't have that kind of breakaway speaking because. 699 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 3: We don't have that much style. We don't have much separation, right. 700 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 3: Oh my god, y'all can try to hold up every opportunity. 701 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: We can't getting that. Damn. N. I'm just glad the 702 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 3: truth finally came out. See, Coop, you were afraid to 703 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 3: tell the truth. You could have been on record of 704 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: saying the truth. You knew what the answer was, Coop. 705 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: It's all good. 706 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't know why it happens. I really don't, Pete, 707 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 2: do you That's that's got to be the worst loss 708 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: of the season. And what does it say about where 709 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 2: Arizona is at. 710 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 8: Well, it's the worst loss of the season because that 711 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 8: touchdown puts the game away. But then it becomes even 712 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 8: worse when you get an interception and you fumble it 713 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 8: in your into their they score touchdowns off of it, 714 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 8: and then you know, I'm to go get the game 715 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 8: winning field. It's it's horrible. It's a horrible loss. That 716 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 8: it tells you that Arizona is Arizona. That's what that 717 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 8: tells you. Every year you go into the season and think, 718 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 8: oh that Cardinals might be feisty and a little bit better. 719 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 8: They got added guys to the defense, and you know, 720 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 8: maybe Murray takes the next step and Marvin Harrison takes 721 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 8: the next step, and then all of a sudden, you're 722 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 8: still Arizona. That's what happens when you're one of those 723 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 8: teams and and you lose games like that that it 724 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 8: was the worst loss of the season by far, and 725 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 8: it might be one of the worst losses ever. So Pete, 726 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 8: oh god, God, God God, But they feel better than 727 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 8: Penn State. Today, No, jail, I have no I have. 728 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 3: No response for it. Zero responsible. 729 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 4: I'm the one that was more fired up this morning 730 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 4: to start the show about that game. But we'll save 731 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 4: that for another time. Last night's game. Are the pad 732 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 4: of the Fates? Are the Pats the new Kings of 733 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 4: the AFC East? 734 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: No, No, but I will, I mean Pete the leaden 735 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 3: right now. 736 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 5: They did it in Buffalo. 737 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 8: They're not leading the division right now? 738 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 5: You sure they lost twice? That's right? 739 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 740 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: Sorry, damn well, New England lose to the Raiders. 741 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just one game. 742 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 8: By the way, Mike Rabel can coach. I mean, there's 743 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 8: no doubt about that. Mike Rabel can coach. It's still 744 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 8: the toughness in his team. That defense is pretty darn good. Now. 745 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 8: You know, when you have two corners that can play 746 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 8: man and man outside and the well the third ones 747 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 8: a good little nickel corner, two jones, you can lock 748 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 8: up a couple guys. And let's rereal with the Bills. 749 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 8: The Bills don't scare you down the field. 750 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 3: They just don't. 751 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 8: And that's the biggest concern, and that was the question 752 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 8: going into the season. I think that showed up last night. 753 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 8: Is their inability to get down the field and get 754 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 8: chunk plays in the passing game. So uh yeah, I mean, look, 755 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 8: it's a great win for New England. It's a It's 756 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 8: probably one of those, like the Eagles losing at home, 757 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 8: one of those wake up calls for a team we 758 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 8: thought were pretty pretty good going into the season, and 759 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 8: sometimes it gets you refocused. I am a little worried 760 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 8: about the Buffalo defense. I will say that they got 761 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 8: to you know, look to Davis White, can't you can't 762 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 8: run anymore? He couldn't. He was never fast to begin with. 763 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 8: They need to get Hairston back on the field, and 764 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 8: he's pretty close. And once he gets back on the field, 765 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 8: I think they'll be better on defense. 766 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 3: Hmm. What stood out to you yesterday watching the games? 767 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 3: The most pete like there? There was quite a few. 768 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 3: What what did you focus in on? What was a 769 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 3: what was the storyline that you you're going to be 770 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 3: talking about as as the week unfolds. 771 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 8: The Bucks are better than everybody gives me, I said, 772 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 8: I told you guys that before the season. I think 773 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 8: they're better than everybody gives them credit for for for 774 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 8: Baker Mayfield. 775 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 3: Who's got to give him credit right now, Pete, Well, no, what. 776 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 8: I'm just saying, the guys, yeah, white guy, everybody the 777 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 8: bus go into Seattle and play a really good team 778 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 8: that was really playing well on defense and just shredded them. 779 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 8: We just shredded them without And think about that offense. 780 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 8: We haven't seen the best of the offense. That offense 781 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 8: with yesterday was without Gheticky, who will be back at 782 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 8: right tackle eventually. They were without Mike Evans, they were 783 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 8: without Jayalen McMillan, they were without Bucky Irving, and here's 784 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 8: Baker Mayfield throwing the ball over the place. I mean, 785 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 8: how good can that offense be when everybody gets back, 786 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 8: They're gonna score a ton of points. They're a legitimate 787 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 8: threat to win the NFC. They really are. I mean, 788 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 8: you look at that team. They're one of the best 789 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 8: teams in the league and we haven't even seen the 790 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 8: best of them yet. So that Baker Mayfield in the 791 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 8: MVP conversation too, I think that's something that stood out. 792 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 8: And then Chargers, of course charging as they always do. 793 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 8: Just you know, three weeks ago we were sitting here, Tark, 794 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 8: Oh my god, the Chargers might be the best team 795 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 8: in the league and Justin Herberts on his way to 796 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 8: being an MVP. And they have a lead again Washington 797 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 8: who's floundering, and they rough the punter. They go down 798 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 8: and get a field goal. Next thing you know, they fumble, 799 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 8: and next thing you know, there's a ballgame. And that's 800 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 8: just that's the ultimate definition of charging. They when things 801 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 8: are going well, something always happens to that team. And 802 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 8: it dates way back to the old San Diego Chargers days. 803 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 8: Something always happened to prevent them from going to the 804 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 8: super Bowl, even then when they were maybe had the 805 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 8: best team in the league. And it's the same way now. 806 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 8: The Chargering never ends. 807 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. What 808 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 2: the aff with the Baltimore Ravens like? And I know, 809 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's out, but that defense has looked bad all year, 810 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 2: even going back to the you know, the the gag 811 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: job they put together against Buffalo in Week one. What 812 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 2: do you make of where Baltimore's at right now? 813 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 8: It's historically bad on defense and that's been their calling 814 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 8: card for years. And you mentioned it, Okay, Lamar's out, 815 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 8: you take the field. Lamar's out. So if you're a 816 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 8: defensive team, even though they had guys injured, and believe me, 817 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 8: they're banged up. I mean, they didn't have Rokewan Smith 818 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 8: even though he hasn't played that well. They didn't have 819 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 8: Marlin Humphrey hadn't played that well this year. They don't 820 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 8: have them in the lineup. But go compete. That's an 821 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 8: offense that had done nothing all year. Basically, go compete 822 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 8: in the game, maybe not win it, but show up. 823 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 8: They didn't compete. And that's the biggest thing that surprised me. 824 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 8: The Ravens have always been known for smacking you in 825 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 8: the mouth, hit me in the teeth, and sending your 826 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 8: home and your bruise the entire next week. That ain't 827 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 8: the case anymore. Those guys don't beat up anybody anymore. 828 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 8: And that's the sad part about it. Having said all that, 829 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 8: when you play out their schedule and you look at 830 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 8: that division, if they can get Lamar back healthy again, 831 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 8: they have a chance to maybe go into this go 832 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 8: down the stretch and find a way play that week 833 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 8: final week game against Pittsburgh with a chance to go 834 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 8: to the playoffs. But things got to fall into place. 835 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 8: They got to get better on defense, no question, about it, Hey. 836 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 4: Pe, last one for me? How many more losses can 837 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 4: the Giants take before they just throwing. 838 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 3: The towel in the season? 839 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 8: In terms of what Brady you know what. 840 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 5: I mean, Joe, Shane and dab All being dismissed. 841 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 8: I don't know. I don't know if that's gonna happen 842 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 8: during the season. And again I go back to does 843 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 8: it really? I mean, okay, Mike McDaniel, you want to 844 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 8: fire him? What do you who are you putting in there? 845 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 8: What does that do when you fire a guy during 846 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 8: the season? Have you played? Have you guys played on 847 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 8: teams where the coach got fired? Oh yeah, yes, okay, 848 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 8: what happened? Did you get better? 849 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 4: It's it's pretty wild. I mean it's it's it's a 850 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 4: wild scenario. You know, guys start kind of doing whatever 851 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 4: the hell they want, you know, It's just it gets 852 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 4: pretty wild. 853 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 8: Substitute tea. It's like when the substitute teacher came in 854 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 8: and you used to throw racers at the back of 855 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 8: his head from the back of the room. 856 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 4: I think when Josh McDaniels got fired in Denver, Eric 857 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 4: students still took over. That was for like four or 858 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 4: five games. And that was a wild month. Let's just 859 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 4: put it that way. Of just seeing different things from players, 860 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 4: you're like, there's no accountability at that point. 861 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 8: Of course not. And that's actually one of the guys 862 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 8: that's on the on the Dolphins staff now that they've 863 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 8: talked about. If they've made a fire and they make 864 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 8: him be in durw coach, that ain't going to work. 865 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 5: Now. 866 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 8: I will say this, if you had in the back 867 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 8: of your mind that maybe Anthony Weaver was going to 868 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 8: be the future head coach, then maybe that would make 869 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 8: some sense if you wanted to try and get a 870 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 8: jump start on that. But here's the other part of that. 871 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 8: I mean, you want to look at Miami Dolphins and 872 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 8: Anthony Weaver. His defense has been getting dashed. They give 873 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 8: up two hundred and something rushing yards last yesterday to 874 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 8: the team in Carolina that can't run the football. I 875 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 8: mean that was incredible. So I don't think coaching changes 876 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 8: really work. But if the Giants, I think Shane's getting 877 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 8: it no matter what after the season, and Davell has 878 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 8: got to show progress with Jackson Dart and if he 879 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 8: shows progress, Brady, you know how that is, and you're 880 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 8: you're a big believer in this keeping stability with the 881 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 8: quarterback and keeping the same system so he can grow 882 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 8: in it. So maybe they make a decision there to say. 883 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 4: Hey, Okay, the Giants right now is like including the season, 884 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 4: last two are ten and twenty nine. 885 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 3: They just lost to argue with the worst team in 886 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 3: the league by double digits. 887 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,439 Speaker 4: Like you're looking at it, you're looking at I'm with you, Brady, 888 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 4: I'm saying I understand what you're saying. But at some point, 889 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 4: as these build up, it gets to the point where 890 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 4: it doesn't even matter. You're just like, we need something else. 891 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right, No, I agree with you on that, 892 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 8: But I'm just playing the Devil's outga flipsid because you're 893 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 8: a big believer in letting the quarterbacks have the same 894 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 8: system for a couple of years too, So I know 895 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 8: that you believe that strongly. The other part of that, 896 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 8: here's the other part of it. You know they got 897 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 8: baby LT over there and all those great pass rushs. 898 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 8: You how many sacks they had on Sunday? None? Zero 899 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 8: didn't show up. I mean, you're supposed to be a 900 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 8: team that has guys that just are menacing on the 901 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 8: defensive line. Knocking guys on the ground and they didn't 902 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 8: get a sack on Sunday. That's me is one of 903 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 8: the biggest disappointments. 904 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 2: Get him on X at Prisco CBS. If you want 905 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 2: some of that smoke, he will provide it. He is 906 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 2: our senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst, 907 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: the great p PRIs. Go with us here, Pete, we 908 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 909 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 8: We'll do quick thing with LeVar. Were you at the 910 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 8: game on Saturday in l A. I was, Oh boy, 911 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,399 Speaker 8: you're the mush. 912 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 3: Oh no, true, unlike hold On I go to you've 913 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 3: been to both losses though I've been to all the 914 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 3: wins too. 915 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, but but you've been to both losses so that 916 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 8: they can they're gonna say, LaVar, no one's mush, just 917 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 8: like James Franklin. 918 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 3: You need to go oh no. I mean, so you 919 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 3: want to like take parting shots at me and my 920 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 3: alma mater like that. 921 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 8: Pete, you know I love you, LeVar. 922 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 3: That's thank you, sir, thank you. You know I'll allow 923 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 3: you get away with with the whole you know, early 924 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 3: early dropping the ball. But I draw the line with 925 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 3: Penn Stek though it's. 926 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 8: Gotta be honest, all all right, fellow, all right. 927 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 3: See