1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: I love the fact that something like that is possible. 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: If everything in deer hunting had to be by the books, 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: predictable due only to those who put in the work, 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: who who had this plan, or who did all the homework, 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: whatever it was, if that was the only way that 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: you could have these storybook endings to be a little 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: bit boring. On this episode of the Burgrease podcast, we're 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: talking about two giant public land white tails killed by 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: the same man on the same year, all the while 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: exploring a universal and ancient idea. It's one that has 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: not escaped any culture. It's homogeneous across time, oceans, and 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: people's It's the idea of a streak of luck. All 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: can agree that beneficial things do happen that are far 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: beyond human control. But the catalyst or origin of disfavor 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: or where the ideologies to verge. I want to introduce 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: you posthumously to an incredible man by the name of 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Aora Lee Province or as they called him, or who 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: I interviewed in twenty nineteen, just a month prior to 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: his passing at the age of ninety one, Mr Ory 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: killed two non typical deer in the fall of nineteen 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: sixty five on public land and the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas. 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: This was as unlikely as being struck by lightning twice. 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: We'll hear from Mr Or himself and meet his son. 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Will also hear from Whitetail Wacko's Mark Kenyon and Tony 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Peterson from Meat Eater's Wired to Hunt podcast, and we'll 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: talk with one of the best Ozark Mountain deer hunters 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: that I know, most Shepherd about streaks of luck. I 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: doubt you're gonna want to miss this one. I think 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: that's like sort of the secret sauce to hunting is 30 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: the possibility of that stuff just falling together and having 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: an amazing year. You're once in a lifetime encounter. I 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I think it's so cool. My 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: name is Clay Nukelem and this is the Bear Grease Podcast, 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search for insight 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the story of 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Americans who lived their lives close to the land. Presented 37 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: by f HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and 38 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the 39 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: places we explore. Hey, Rusty just looking at that, dear, 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: And I know you guys don't like to do this, 41 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: but what do you think that, dear, Because we're about 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: to do the math to find out if you just 43 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: walked up and saw that, dear. Um, Hotty, I'm gonna 44 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: say he's gonna be really close to one seventy. I'm 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: saying up for one sixties. That's just a wild gift. 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: I've recruited official score Rusty Johnson to go with me 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: to Winslow, Arkansas, to score the first of the two 48 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: bucks that Mr Or killed the nineteen sixty five. As 49 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: we're finishing up Or He's son, Eugene, who's now in 50 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: his seventies, walks up. Mr Eugene, how you doing, Cam? Yeah, 51 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: good to see you. Russe Johnson? What was her name? 52 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Rusty Johnson too? Mr Eugene looks at the rack of 53 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: his father's twenty six point buck in the back of 54 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: the side by side where we've been measuring the rack. 55 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: We're almost finished. Eugene was just a kid, but he 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: was there when this buck was killed. Oh that was 57 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: something else. Now you were You weren't standing beside him 58 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: when he killed this deer, but you were with him 59 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: on the hunt. I was with him on that hunt. 60 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: What do you what do you remember about that day? Well? 61 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: What are you doing here? Now? Can I record you? 62 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Is all right? I don't care what I remember on 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: that day. I remember it was a long, hard day. 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Who getting him out? Yeah? You know, Well he had 65 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: tucked me and set me down, and and he's always 66 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: one of those that just slip along, you know, and 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: do his hunting. And so he come back to man 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: and said, I've I've shot one. I need you go 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: help me track it. So he got me down and 70 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: put me on the blood trail. He said, you'd follow 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: this and I will try to go get in front 72 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: of it. So when I went out there a few 73 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: hundred feet or yards whether that lady, he had it 74 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: all covered up. So he wanted you to find surprised 75 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: on it. Now you how old were you? I think 76 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: I was fourteen, So you you would have hunted enough 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: to have known that was an incredible dear. Oh yeah, 78 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: this story gives us our first glimpse into Oriy Province. 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: He was of good humor and wanted to involve his 80 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: son in the seemingly once in a lifetime track job. 81 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: The Horns of the buck are now yellowed and dusty. 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: They're mounted a top of white tail mannekin that scarcely 83 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: reflects the anatomical features of a real buck. The hair 84 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: is faded and ghostly. To someone who loves white tails, 85 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: this is a beautiful sight. And I'll have you know 86 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: this is the smaller of the two bucks killed that 87 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: season on public land by Mr or Man Watter unlikely place. 88 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: How many points does this saying heavy three, four, five, six, seven, 89 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: eight nine. I described this buck as a tight racked 90 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: heavy horn for the region mainframe ten point with sixteen 91 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: kicker points on the right side, the brow time clusters 92 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: into what looks like a webbed beaver track. The second time, 93 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: the G two flares into a cluster of five non 94 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: typical points, including a big fly arching towards the limestone 95 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: beneath our feet. Mark Kenyon would faint if he saw 96 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: this deer from a tree stand. I wanted to ask 97 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: Mr Eugene the question that I'm going to ask everyone 98 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: else on this episode, and his answer is what you 99 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: might expect from a son. What do you what do 100 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: you make of a guy that we calculated up that 101 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: he hunted probably eighty years I mean he so eighty 102 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: years and hunting and one year, in one week he 103 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: kills just two. Incredible dear, What are you making that? 104 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: What do mak of that? I mean, like incredible hunter? Yeah, 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess they might be some. 106 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be in lucky in it, 107 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: but I mean when you come up with something like 108 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that that close, you know, Uh, I've not done that yet. 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: I want to make some definitions clear so that we're 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: all talking about the same thing. I would describe luck 111 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: simply as for two of his circumstances that come about 112 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: seemingly by chance rather than the result of someone's actions. 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: The second word, we're gonna use his streak, and by 114 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: that I mean when something happens more than once you're 115 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: on a streak. Will combine these two into the phrase 116 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: lucky streak when good stuff starts happening all in a row. 117 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: It's hard to argue with the fact that Mr. Ory 118 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: was a seasoned, decorated, and skilled hunter. There's no argument 119 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: at all. He had a unique style slip hunting the 120 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: Rocky Bluffs where he lived, and he was born and 121 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: bred in these mountains. He knew dear, and he killed 122 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: lots of big deer in his life, but none near 123 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: as big as these two killed on the same year 124 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: when he was thirty eight years old. It's clear that 125 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't all luck or just undeserved favored. But I 126 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: think there is more to this story than skill alone. 127 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: He tapped into a streak of good luck. But we 128 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: still don't know how big the smaller deer is, which 129 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: this one is smaller twelve sixteen two, so that dear 130 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: grows scores hundred and seventy one. Good job on a 131 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: quick porch score job. In two thousand eleven, I scored 132 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: this twenty six point buck, almost ten inches under its 133 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: true growth score one seventy one. Old Rusty doesn't miss 134 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: very much. However, the second and clearly bigger buck had 135 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: less judgment calls, and when I scored the buck in 136 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, it had an incredible hundred and 137 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: eighty six gross inches. And to put that into perspective, 138 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean a hundred and seventy inches deer. The vast 139 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: majority of deer hunters will never kill a buck that big, 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: guys who have even dedicated their lives to deer hunting. 141 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: But a one eight six is even bigger, and it 142 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: carries two drop times and an almost shot through horn 143 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: where one of Mr Ri's stray bullets almost shattered the 144 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: main beam. This, my friends, in this part of the world, 145 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: is like getting struck by lightning twice A one, one, 146 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: and six. There are lots of ideas around luck, and 147 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: they can basically be broken into two broad categories. The 148 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: first would be the naturalistic interpretation of luck, which would 149 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: be positive and negative events can happen at any time, 150 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: both due to random natural processes, and even improbable events 151 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: can happen by random chance. The second idea would be 152 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: a supernatural interpretation of luck, basically forces outside of this 153 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: natural realm govern at will the events of the earth. 154 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: But I'd like to invite you to step out of 155 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the western culture worldview that blindly dominates most of a 156 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: into a black and white railroad track ideology, saying that 157 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: you have to pick one or the other. Perhaps they 158 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: could both be operating at the same time. We're trying 159 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: to answer the question of how much human success is 160 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: skill and hard work and how much is seemingly luck. 161 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: The answer to this has big implications for how you 162 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,119 Speaker 1: live your life, and at the end of this podcast. 163 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about a vivid and specific dream 164 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: that I had about a white tail buck and how 165 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: it changed my life. So stick around. The next part 166 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: of this story creates in me a wide range of emotions. 167 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: We're going to go back to March of twenty nineteen 168 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and meet Mr Ory and his wife Mary. That day 169 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: he was spry, mentally sharp, in great spirits and good 170 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: health for a ninety one year old man. But one 171 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: month after our interview, Mr Ory passed away. Ending our 172 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: conversation that day, after he had told me he had 173 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: lived in the mountains for ninety years. I jokingly said 174 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: he's got no plans to leave now. He interrupted me 175 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: and said, only up. Mr Ori was an honorable man. 176 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Posthumous fist bump to Mr. Ri. Every generation has had 177 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: old timers like Ori. When Daniel Boone was alive, he 178 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: would have looked back at the real old timers and 179 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: recognized the same thing that we recognized today when we 180 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: talked to really old people, that planet Earth and the 181 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: humans that are on it are in a constant state 182 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: of unstoppable change. When you see human history, you see 183 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: a trajectory that seems to be leading us someplace My 184 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: interest in history and old stories isn't to stop the 185 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: change or nostalgically revel in the past. But I want 186 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: to track the change and be prepared for the future. 187 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: And God got at the ruthless pace of time, is 188 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: trying to leave behind some stuff that I'm not ready 189 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: to give up. Now, I want to take you deep 190 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: into the Ozarks to meet a human relic hanging on 191 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: the edge of his time on Earth. Mr. Or and 192 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: his wife live about as far back in the mountains 193 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: as you can live in this state. Here's Mr Or here. Hey, 194 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Oh? I'm doing far good to 195 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: see you, Yeah, to see you. Hello, miss Mary, how 196 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: are you? This is my youngest son, Shepherd. I don't 197 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: think he's ever been over here before. I haven't seen 198 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: him before. Come around and have a seat here. How 199 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: are y'all doing? Excuse the four I was in the 200 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: middle of vacuumen, but I ain't. I got done, so 201 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: don't worry about the hat. Oh this is great. The 202 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: house was quaint and comfortable, with knick knacks and photos 203 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: of children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren on the walls. Through 204 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: the back window you can see a deep Ozark drawl 205 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: a non functioning school bus in an oak barn. The 206 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: mounted bucks from nineteen six hung in two different rooms, 207 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: one in a front bedroom and one in the back. 208 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: By permission, I went and got both bucks off the 209 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: wall and leaned them against the couch for us to 210 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: gander at while we talked. For me, hunting has always 211 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: been synchronized with the rest of my life, and I 212 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: think it helps to put these two bucks and Mr 213 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: Ory Streak into context by learning something about his life. 214 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Here's Ms Mary talking about the new computer their kids 215 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: bought them, which is pretty high tech. We got this. 216 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: And because he loves be on Monroe, and so he 217 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: can pull up be on Monroe, Leicster Flat, Carter family 218 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: and then he hears all the different and Joe, he'll 219 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: stumble onto somebody here, come here, this, it's these These 220 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: are so good, you know. And I had a little 221 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: last night. They come on, someone, does the Carter family 222 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: come on? They made their first record nineteen point seven 223 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: as Jar was born. Okay, and Monroe's they come on 224 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: in thirty six. Here tell you what my story was. 225 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: They'd always had meat to there's leveling of us children, 226 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: but everybody had a job that someone go up to 227 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: cal Some feed the holes, and some done this and that. 228 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: My job was getting at four o'clock the morning, beautiful, 229 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: go feed the mute and hornishon. Yeah, having my job. 230 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: And I wasn't very big at that time. Up from 231 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: the manger, you know, to get up part put that 232 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: collar on, buck around the bout it. Of course they're 233 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: generalist dogs. Here's more from Mr Ory, starting us into 234 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: his life story. Well, I was born you in the 235 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: tenth nineteen seven, and uh, I grew up. We moved 236 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: from the mountain down to across the holiday every where 237 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I live, and uh twenty nine and uh, then we 238 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: went to school two weeks at win Free nowhere where 239 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: you were born right here, close somewhere. I was borned 240 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: upon the mountain here about a mile and a half more, 241 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: a massive You weren't born in a hospital, No, no, no, 242 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: they weren't one of us eleven children born in the hospital. 243 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: And so so you were born up here. And then 244 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: we moved down here in twenty nine. Then we moved 245 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: back to the mountain. I went to school down you're 246 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: Winfree two weeks and we come went back to old 247 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: home place that was my mother's dad's place. He homes 248 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: did it from the United States government, and I still 249 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: got the deed. The highland country of Arkansas was not 250 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: valuable or profitable land to homestead. The rocky ground wasn't 251 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: fertile heir to many regions of the country, and it 252 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: was hard to tell. Most people that came here were 253 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: poor and just happy to have land, and some were 254 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: running from something like debt or even the law. But 255 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: hard times produce hard people. In the eighteen thirties, when 256 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Davy Crockett yep The real David Crockett, passed through Arkansas, 257 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: he said in a public speech he gave in Little 258 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Rock quote, if I could rest anywhere, it would be Arkansas, 259 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: where the men are the real half horse, half alligator 260 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: breed such as grow nowhere else on the face of 261 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: the universal earth, but just around the backbone of North America. 262 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: End of quote. I suspect the provinces were of such type. 263 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: So how many brothers and sisters did you have? I 264 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: had to five brothers and five sisters, so eleven kids 265 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: and the older. But that's what it may toil. Three 266 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: younger and me and nineteen thirty six, how's nine years old? 267 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty six? We got our first radio right, listen 268 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to the old ridden Cardo family and Bond Monro and 269 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: Charlie Monro. There's together back then. Yeah, and uh that 270 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: was a big deal listening to those old radio programs. 271 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: They was good. They was good. Yeah, I like to 272 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: listen out of yet. I asked Mr Ory what kind 273 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: of work as father did which created the backdrop of 274 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: his childhood. We worked in tam rahab might have worked 275 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: in timber. We worked in Tamarin and farmed a little. 276 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: We had separate dan cows. So he was he was 277 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: hauling logs off the mountain with these mules. Oh yeah, right, 278 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: skinning them and neverthing. So you grew up doing that. 279 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: That's what they've done all of my life. Just about it. Now, 280 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: when did you all start getting more modern? Uh? Log 281 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: and equipment? Like you were a logger most of your life? Well, 282 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: how is up? And that sixty and the nineteen sixties 283 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: you started using mechanized equipment for a calling. Laws really 284 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: trumps sometimes, you know. So you were using mules and 285 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: horses and everything, horse mules. What kind of staws did 286 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: you use, like the two man cross cuts, house cross 287 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: cut sauce? Do you have any of that? Old stuff 288 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: still laying around. Mr Ory is going to describe a 289 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: difficult and unstable period in his life in the nineteen 290 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: forties when he was just a teenager. Chrisis struck their 291 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: family by the early and unexpected death of his father 292 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: from a stroke, and a World war broke out. Well, 293 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: my dad died in forty four and forty one. Why 294 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: the World War two broke out? And UH my brothers, 295 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: three of them waiting service, okay, and UH, I was old, 296 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: just wanted left at home. Okay. I took him my 297 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: mother and UH my nephew, and UH two sisters and 298 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: her brother. So you were just a few years too 299 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: young to be drafted into the war. I was when 300 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: my dead daughter sixteen, and UH when I become eighteen 301 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: the day I was eighteen, A day after I was eighteen. 302 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: My birthday come on Sunday that year. On Monday, I 303 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: registered and I went down in past examination eight David July, 304 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: I got my calls for examination, went down passed, and 305 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: night Dave August got my call service, and UH ministers 306 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: out here, and I had a big tomato crop out 307 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: about ten acres tomaters, and UH and the family there 308 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: we had to have something to live on. But anyway, 309 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: why there's minister out there. He said, this boy they'd 310 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: take care of his mother and these children. And so 311 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: he wrote, Uh, I got deferred until till locked over 312 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: the fifteen another word, truther crop was over. And then uh, 313 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: I've still got my one eight classification. But the war 314 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: was over that time, so you would have gone if 315 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: the war would have Yeah, the lords and I went 316 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: to school. Was um, there's in there they went in Germany. 317 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: It was clear that Mr Ory was proud of his 318 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: one A classification, which meant he was eligible for military 319 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: service and was ready to roll when the tomato crop 320 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: was put up. But by the regional frost date of October, 321 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: the Great World War was over. His brothers came home, 322 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: and stability returned to his family. Here's Mr Ory talking 323 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: about his work after the war ended. And he'll give 324 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: us some insight into the life philosophy of the province. Family. Man. 325 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: My brother we ain't never did have to go to war. 326 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: And so uh he went him, went and cut timmer 327 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: and locked it. I hold it up, I hold it 328 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: on a wagon. He skipped it out and I went 329 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: holt and dumped it off at the mail and that 330 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: was in the late forties anyway, Now, the Great Depression, 331 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: you were just a kid during the Great These hills 332 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: weren't really I mean they were affected by the Great Depression, 333 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: but people were already poor. Yeah, I mean there wasn't 334 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: much you could do to somebody that was just living 335 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: off the land, basically when it comes to economic stress. 336 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: I've right, Yeah, we lived off the land. Yeah, and 337 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six that was dry here, you know, and 338 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: uh we had a smiter crop and we haul water 339 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: and set them out and they got up and just 340 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: the blooming and everything turned off dry. We never got 341 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: a tomato, but we we worked in the timmer. You know, 342 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: they paper back then they finally got where they brought 343 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: out food stamps and tanks, but we never got in it. 344 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: My dad just wouldn't have nothing to do with that, 345 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: just by principle. He didn't need anything. We we made it. 346 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: We made it without it. We worked and they made it. Yeah. 347 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: What would have been a normal meal for your family 348 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: back then when you were a kid who had plenteteet 349 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: had plenteteeting, We can't raised hogs and vegetables, had a garden. 350 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: I know, you still have a garden, don't you. Well, yeah, yeah, 351 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: we we made it fine. I had about dirty swarms 352 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: of bees back during the war. While you couldn't get sugar. 353 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: Every food is all racing. You couldn't buy nothing. Everybody's 354 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: out of sugar, and I had bees, and we got 355 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: to feed the bees, you know, because it used the 356 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: honey somewhere in other end guns. The World War interfered 357 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: with the United States ability to import sugar, so honey 358 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: was used as a sugar substitute at home and sent 359 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: to the troops abroad. But primarily, bees wax had over 360 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty uses in wartime military operations. It 361 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: was used to coat airplanes, coat canvas tents, lubricate all 362 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: types of machinery, and was used on ammunition. The average 363 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: war machine, whether a plane or tank, was said to 364 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: have ten pounds of bees wax on it. Bees Wax 365 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: didn't expand in heat or crack in the cold. The 366 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: American Bee Journal in the nineteen forties had a slogan quote, 367 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: let the bees wax the way to victory. End of quote, 368 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: Who do I sure didn't. Here's Mr. Or giving us 369 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: some geographical data points of his life, and hey, don't 370 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: forget about the dream that I'm going to tell you 371 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: about at the end. How would you describe these mountains there? 372 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: They're rough, yeah, yeah, but they're beautiful. I've never been 373 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: nowhere else for westerns avanners, uh Shamrock, Texas, and uh 374 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: for South there's been a down around war in Arkansas 375 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: and for narths vendors Kansas City for Easter event which 376 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: you have little Rock by today's standards, that's a small 377 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: home range. Remember this is all giving us a context 378 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: for his incredible white tail streak of nineteen six. And man, 379 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: if sixty years from now they're making media about your 380 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: white tail streak, you must be some kind of a 381 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: boss man. Uh, I'd rather like during the war, you know, Wow, 382 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: they wasn't no money much cross ties and selling twenty 383 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: and thirty and thirty five cents apiece and uh it 384 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: just couldn't make much in the tember, so uh at 385 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: when the season open. While we'd go hunting, we didn't 386 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: make more hunting catching possums and cones. We'd even skin 387 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: of skunk, anything that we could get a dollar around, 388 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: selling the hides, selling nights. Yeah so you had tree 389 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: dogs oh yeah right, yeah yeah, So so you were 390 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: making money selling hides back during that time, well, making 391 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: more than you could make at the sawmill, right, So 392 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: you did that as a kid. Now, there weren't many 393 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: deer though, back when you were a kid. No, dear 394 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: at all, none at all, No, no, hardly every you never, 395 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: I've never seen a deer to love us. Oh sixteen. 396 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: They had a game refuge over here they had. We 397 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: had to hunt around him, but he couldn't hunt there. 398 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: They were trying to reintroduce deer. I try. So they 399 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: brought in some deer. Oh yeah, yeah, they brought them 400 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: in it and there's getting more the kind of scattered 401 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: out than the olden season on it. What he's referring 402 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: to is the reintroduction of white tailed deer into the 403 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: Black Mountain region of the Ozarks. According to the records, 404 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: it started in nineteen twenty six with quote several deer 405 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: brought in from Wisconsin, North Carolina in Texas. Then in 406 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: nineteen they released five deer, in nineteen thirty four deer, 407 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty eight, fourteen deer, and then the restocking 408 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: stopped in the nineteen fifties when it was believed that 409 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: some areas in the Ozarks had deer populations as high 410 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: as thirty deer per square mile, which is actually a 411 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: decent amount of deer. It was said that the Arkansas 412 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: Game and Fish Commission was even buying pet deer from 413 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: people and releasing them into many of the refugees. And 414 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: to look at the bigger picture of what was going 415 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: on in North America, this was a golden era of 416 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: conservation efforts for many big game species. There was widespread 417 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: habitat protection going on. The Passing of the Pittman Robertson 418 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: Act in nineteen thirty seven was huge, and the general 419 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: acceptance of game laws and seasons put to bed the 420 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: old market hunting ideologies. That stuff started to fade away. 421 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: Today is hunters and conservationists were standing on the wildlife 422 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: and habitat decisions made during this period. Here's Mr Ory 423 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: on how he liked to hunt. But you, uh so, 424 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: I remember the story that I wrote about you years ago. 425 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: I called it the bluff hunter, because you used to 426 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: like to stay on the top of these bluffs and 427 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: you can kind of look down and see these flats. Yeah, 428 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: and that's where these deer would be. But if you 429 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: were up on the bluff you'd kind of be hid 430 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: from him, is that right? They can't smell you. You 431 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: love them and they don't know, So that way you 432 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: can get a I've killed several land down okay. So 433 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: you would just creep along the top of the bluff 434 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: and you'd see him bedded. Yeah, right, I remember you 435 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: used to throw rocks off a bluff too. Sometimes sometimes 436 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: you'd wake them up if you couldn't see why you 437 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: told something down arts kind of make a no water 438 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: because they're wondering what it was, and maybe didn't move 439 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: where he could see him, if there's any there. Yeah, 440 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: I'd walk twenty today we hunting on blows, hunting blows 441 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: and roughish places. It was Mr or sick control was 442 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: to stay up above the deer on the bluff. Too 443 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: bad he didn't have modern sick control products. Then he 444 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: could have gotten right down there with him and had 445 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: a good hunt, and he wouldn't have had to have 446 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: clumb those blobs. That's a joke for Mark Kenyon. Me 447 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: and Mr Or used the science approved method, play the 448 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: wind like a man, you dirty hillbillies. I do love 449 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: soap boxes. I asked Mr Or to tell me the 450 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: story of his Big Bucks here, he goes, Well, I 451 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: was man, my boy, he was fourteen years old, and 452 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: we went across who we're here and across on torture 453 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: down A point got down on the other point. Why 454 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: I left him on top the hill and I said, 455 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: I've worn down the other with them pines A and 456 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: all them blows there at and stipphon jump up something. 457 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: And I was going climbing over a bluff and I 458 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: scared four deer out of a bed down blow me, 459 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, to run off, And so why is thea's 460 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: on down the bluff? Cut down and went on down 461 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: and found their beds where right threw by it went 462 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: on doubt about sixty five hunter about ninety yards the 463 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: other side of it, and uh, I heard a racket 464 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: behind me, and I looked around and I saw this 465 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: point bucker coming. All I could see is this. You 466 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: could kill one without I think a spiker. He just 467 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: need horns. I could see them horns, and I saw 468 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: he had enough horns his legal shoot. So I couldn't 469 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: see nothing but this between two trees. So I shot 470 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: him in the flanks and I thought, well I crippled him, 471 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: and uh, so I shot him and he come right 472 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: through by me and brought about and I think it's 473 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: ninety three yards and he feel dad right over from me. 474 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: I'll be done. What do you think when you walked 475 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: up to him and started counting those points? What do 476 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, but I I can't. I just left 477 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the yarn wait and got my boy. He's fourteen years old. 478 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: How did you get him out of there? I knew 479 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: about where. We drive him to the creek, on down 480 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: the creek and tug him up the creek because we 481 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: couldn't take him up back up the bluff where I'd 482 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: come from nowhere to him. Her rig was setting on 483 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: top the mountain, so I had to go back up 484 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: ear and get it. But I went and we tuck 485 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: him around the creek and tuck him up the creek 486 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: and run on to some harts. Earned the boy that 487 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: he had a Volkswagen. He took us back to her 488 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: reds and hauled it up to where we could get it. 489 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I'll be done. And then you killed another one? That 490 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: was it a few years later? When when did you 491 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: kill that? Two weeks later? Two weeks later, I'll be 492 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: during the same area. No, No, it was that north here. Okay, 493 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: So what about this second deer, How did that happen? 494 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: I was checking a man's cattle and uh, up the 495 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: creek here, and he's from Maglect, Texas. And I went 496 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: up earn of course you dare saying, you know, and 497 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: I had my gun women, so he had a big 498 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: pun builder and I just I don't remember. I was 499 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: just what he's doing. Anyway. This deer was just up 500 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: and to ticket there above that running out through there. Huh, 501 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: and I saw them big horns. I started shooting our shot. 502 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: I think he's nine times at whatever it takes. And 503 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: the last shot of shot he fell right backwards. He's 504 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: running fast. He's eighteen points. One of those nine bullets 505 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: hit the left main beam of the buck and almost 506 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: broke it in half. How he re loaded and shot 507 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: that many times I do not know. But regardless, a 508 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: hundred and eighties six inch main frame ten point with 509 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: long curve brow times and an inter set of matching 510 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: G three times that lean into the rack with a 511 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: striking pair of seven inch drop times hit the dirt, 512 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: creating an unmatchable white tail streak for the old bluff hunter. 513 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Being a partaker of a white tail streak of luck 514 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the streaker didn't utilize skill and hard work. 515 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, most streaks are highly correlated 516 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: to these things. But sometimes stuff happens that is far 517 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: beyond the control or the work ethic of the streaker, 518 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful thing when someone ready intersects with fate. 519 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: I actually think that deep down, humans bank on streaks 520 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: of good favor and even plan for them, like it's 521 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: coded in our DNA. For the most part, we know 522 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: that the work we put into our lives will yield 523 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: a standard return. We learned to live off this percentage yield, 524 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: and we know that at any time a streak or 525 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: some kind of unusual favor far beyond our control could 526 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: be coming. And when it does, we get ahead and 527 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: we build our lives off the benefits of the lucky streak. 528 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: The norm of life is only calibrated and understood by 529 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: the outlying data points like two seventy plus bucks in 530 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: the same year. Mark Kenyon of Meet Eaters Wired Hunt 531 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: podcast is one of the most dedicated and meticulous white 532 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: tail hunters that I know. He's intelligent with an analytical 533 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: mind in a monster scrape size work ethic. He hunted 534 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: with me last year on public land in Arkansas and 535 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: killed a buck. You'll be able to watch that hunt 536 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: this falling Meeter's YouTube channel. I wanted to ask Mark 537 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: what he thinks about ory streak. Well, the first thing 538 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: I think is just that I love it. I love 539 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: the fact that something like that is possible. You know, 540 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: if if everything in life, or in deer hunting, in particularly, 541 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: if everything in deer hunting had to be by the 542 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: books predictable due only to those who put in the work, 543 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: who who had this plan, or who did all the homework, 544 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: whatever it was, if that was the only way that 545 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: you could have these storybook endings, it would be a 546 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: little bit boring. I love the fact that there is 547 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: this serendipity in the world and this crazy these crazy 548 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: opportunities that can come from above and just drop in 549 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: your lap. I mean that makes that makes every day 550 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: in the field for me at least kind of magical. 551 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: Here's Mark on how the mystery of deer hunting in 552 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: some ways has disappeared in modern times. And you know 553 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: what's funny, like these days with the way white tail 554 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: hunting is gone, with trial cameras everywhere and sell cameras 555 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: in the way a lot of folks, myself included, sometimes 556 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: study these deer obsessively. You know, some of that mystery 557 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: is disappearing from deer hunting. Right, we know every deer 558 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: on the property, we know every deer we can expect. 559 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: We've already figured out, well, I'll shoot this one. I 560 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot that one. I kinda I missed that mystery sometimes, 561 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: and I'm glad and I need to remind myself. This 562 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: story is a great example the fact that the unpredictable 563 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: is still possible, like that unknown dear from a hundred 564 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: miles away could show up and you might have the 565 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: luckiest day your life. And I think we sometimes get 566 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: stuck in the in the silo, I guess, or like 567 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: the tunnel vision. We get tunnel vision. I think is hunters, 568 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: especially white tail hunters, because we operate on these smaller 569 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: playing fields that we study obsessively. And it's it's really 570 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: important and encouraging to remember that ma'am, tomorrow or today, 571 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: the next minute, you're every thing can change. I mean 572 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: when we were on our one week in November hunt 573 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: last year, Clay, I remember both you and I were 574 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: having a tough week, right, it was mostly long days 575 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: on stand, and I remember sitting there thinking, man, nothing 576 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: is going right, but any second now, just the the 577 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: flip of a light switch, it could all change. That 578 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: lucky streak could land in my lap. And for you, 579 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: it did, right, I mean the last minute, of the 580 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: last hour, basically of the last day. There it is. 581 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: And I almost had the same thing too. So I 582 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: think Ory's story is just a great reminder for anyone 583 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: who's having a tough spell, or anyone who's having a 584 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: bad day or a bad season, that man, you can 585 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: hit that streak, you know. I think I think that's 586 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: why we love deer hunting. It really is almost like gambling, 587 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: Like you literally wake up in the morning and you 588 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: do not know what's gonna happen. Most likely it's gonna 589 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: be an uneventful day in the field, aside from being 590 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: in the woods and being immersed in a natural system. 591 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: Most of the time you're not gonna win. But man, 592 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: it's like you're rolling the dice, which day, when's it 593 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen? And and is it gonna be a surprise? 594 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: And man, that's that is what I love, and and 595 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: deep down I think deer hunters are really just gamblers 596 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: that anticipation. I don't know if you ever heard of 597 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: anticipatory joy. Have you ever heard about that click? But 598 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: the idea of anticipatory joy is the fact that just 599 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: the excitement and the the anticipation looking forward to that moment, 600 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better than than everything else. I asked Mark 601 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: if you ever had a lucky streak. Here's what he said. 602 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: So when it comes to lucky streaks, it's something when 603 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: I look back over the course of my lifetime that 604 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: at least within the world of hunting, nothing pops off 605 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: the charts. I can think back to certain days, Oh man, 606 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: that was luckier. I can think about certain hunts that 607 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: a certain thing tipped my way, and you could say 608 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: that was lucky or not. But I don't have that 609 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: Orey hunting streak where two giants fell into my lap. 610 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of thing. But what I 611 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: do have is more of a a lucky streak in 612 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: life that has an interesting relationship to hunting. So my 613 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: lucky streak happened. Jeez. I was in college, and at 614 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: this time there are three things I was interested in life, girls, 615 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: getting a full time job, and then I was interested 616 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: in hunting as much as I could too. So It's 617 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: November eight and at this point I was trying to 618 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: get a job with big tech company. At the time, 619 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: business degree was what I was shooting for. And I 620 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: had an opportunity and I got a job offer for 621 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: this big tech company. I was very, very excited about it. 622 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: This seemed like a very lucky, huge opportunity, and it happened. 623 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: I got the job. So that's point number one. On 624 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: this special weekend, this happens to me, I'm feeling pretty 625 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: good about things. The second thing that happens is that 626 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: night I had up north to our family deer camp 627 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: up in northern Michigan. And this spot is an incredible place. 628 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: This is where I learned a deer hunt. This is 629 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: where I learned to love the outdoors, shoot a gun, 630 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But it is a tough 631 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: spot to deer hunt. It's it's been in decline for 632 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: about three decades now. The deer populations have been going down, down, down, 633 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: down down. And at this point in my life, um, 634 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: nobody had killed a deer at our deer camp. And 635 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: I think seven years maybe zero deer had been killed. 636 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: And I had never killed a deer at our deer 637 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: camp on this given year, though it's opening day in November, 638 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: head out there for the evening hunt. I walked way 639 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: back out in this peninsula, heading into a swamp. My 640 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: grandpa was hunting his old box blind that he always hunted. 641 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: We walked out there together and I walked down the 642 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: peninsula climbed up into an old ladder stand that my 643 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: grandpa had set probably ten years prior. I really had 644 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: no good reason to be there other than that was 645 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: on the edge of the swamp and what should be 646 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: a good place. But you know, given the fact there's 647 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: no deer that lived here, it hadn't been historically, but 648 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: I felt it could happen. And to make a long 649 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: story short, about an hour before dark, I spopped movement 650 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: back in the cat tails, pull up my binos. I 651 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: see it's a buck, one of the first bucks I've 652 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: ever seen hunting on this property. I do a little 653 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: can call that little and that deer spins around, walks 654 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: right back to me. I dropped him in his tracks, 655 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: my first buck I'd ever killed on this property, the 656 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: first buck anyone in our family had killed. And like 657 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,959 Speaker 1: I said, seven or so years and now I'm two 658 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: for two the day before I get the job. Now 659 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: today I get my first buck at deer Camp. I'm 660 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: feeling very lucky. And this led me to what happened 661 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: the following Monday. What I haven't mentioned to you is 662 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: that I was in love. I was in love with 663 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: an older woman, and an older woman who just so 664 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: happened to be my boss at my job at the time. 665 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: So she had graduate ated from college the year prior 666 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: to me and was now my manager at the job 667 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: I was working while in school, but I didn't think 668 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: there was any way she would ever go out with me, 669 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: especially her student worker. But I got the job on Friday, 670 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: I got the buck on Saturday. It felt like I 671 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: was I was awfully lucky. So Monday I thought I 672 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,959 Speaker 1: would test the waters see if my luck would hold. 673 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: I walked into her office while we were both working, 674 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: closed the door and I asked her out for dinner. 675 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: She said, yes, my luck held. And now fifteen years later, 676 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm married to her and we've got two kids. So 677 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: that there was my luckiest streak life, love, business, and 678 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: deer I don't think you can get much better than that. 679 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: Now that's a good streak. A job, a buck, and 680 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: a wife. Tony Peterson works closely with Mark. On the 681 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: Wired Hot podcast, asked Tony would sooner kill a buck 682 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: with his bow on public land than look in the eye. 683 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: He is a great bow hunter. I wanted to see 684 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: what he thought about Ori Streak two. Tony, I'm really 685 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: intrigued by this idea of luck, coincidence, good favor, divine intervention, 686 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: like whatever whatever flavor you want to put on it. 687 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 1: There's something undeniable in the human existence is that sometimes 688 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: sometimes stuff just happens that's seemingly unexplainable, wild wild, good 689 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: stuff happens. And I think we all kind of calculate 690 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: for that sometimes in our lives. But so you've heard 691 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: our province the story is incredible year in n What 692 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: do you make of it? What do you make it? 693 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Man? I think sometimes we do 694 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: just get lucky. But I also think, you know, I'm 695 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in sort of attitude and optimism. 696 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: Like I think we go negative a lot, and I 697 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: think it's that's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. And 698 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: I think sometimes you just get into the right place 699 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: and good stuff happens. And you know, his story is wild, wild, 700 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: but it's like a that's a good thing for hunters 701 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: to pay attention to because that can happen. That happened 702 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: to him, and I'm sure he didn't expect it, you know, 703 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: but it's it's out there. And I think that's like 704 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,720 Speaker 1: sort of the secret sauce to hunting is the possibility 705 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: of that stuff just falling together and having an amazing 706 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: year or once in a lifetime encounter. I don't I 707 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's so cool. So what do 708 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: you think about this idea of luck, because that's certainly 709 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: a term that we toss around all the time in hunting. 710 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: I love it that we're involved in something that is 711 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: so untrackable with logic and science, that we we still 712 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,479 Speaker 1: are operating inside is something that we don't know what's 713 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: going to happen when we step into the woods. We 714 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: just don't know. There's so many variables, so it's so complex, 715 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: like so much going on that we're really not that 716 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,720 Speaker 1: far in a lot of ways from like the Native 717 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: Americans who really saw each hunt as this spiritual experience 718 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: and and there was a lot of ritual, a lot 719 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: of a lot of different stuff going into the to 720 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 1: the hunt, and they would have absolutely believed in in 721 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: a higher power that would be orchestrating things on earth, 722 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: which I absolutely believe as well. But what are your 723 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on hunters and this idea of luck. You know, 724 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: you can look at that like with the Native Americans 725 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: and and you know some of the some of the 726 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: traditions and stuff like pre hunt, and you can look 727 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: at it different ways, right, Like you know you're saying 728 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: that there, and you're right, you know, they were looking 729 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: at like a higher calling or or or something in control, 730 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: some kind of interventionist situation there. But you can also 731 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: look at it and go and they were just psyching 732 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: themselves up for a good hunt, like they were doing 733 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: something mentally that matters. And you know when you talk 734 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: about like attitude and hunters, like I do believe to 735 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: some extent, you make your own luck, right, Like I mean, 736 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 1: there's something going on where if you encounter a hundred 737 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: and sixty seven inchur in the same year and you 738 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: kill them both, like that's pretty wild or you know 739 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: whatever caliber. But I also think if you go out 740 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: there and you're negative, listen, you're not going to have 741 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,439 Speaker 1: a hot streak, Like it's it's it's just not gonna 742 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: if you have a bad attitude. But if you go 743 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 1: out there and you believe, you know, things could really 744 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: line up for me, or I've put in some work 745 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: and it feels like this is there, there's a jackpot 746 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: at the end of this. Man. It a lot of 747 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: times it comes, and if it doesn't, you still feel 748 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 1: pretty good about what you did. Do you think that 749 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: having that positive attitude, though, translates into functional effort that 750 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have given if you'd had a bad attitude. 751 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: So you know, so that's that would be where the 752 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: rubber meets the road, is that you're excited, you're optimistic, 753 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,919 Speaker 1: and that energy and optimism created from that makes you 754 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: scout a little bit longer, take a little bit extra 755 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: step in terms of getting your tree s in set. 756 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: It makes you sit longer, It makes you go on 757 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 1: a day when maybe you weren't gonna go, but you're 758 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: that optimism was like, man, I gotta go. I mean, 759 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: so there's there's some real teeth to this idea. Oh 760 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: it's it's huge. I mean just think about you know, 761 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: for for it to come together, so you go out 762 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,200 Speaker 1: in the mountains down in Arkansas and for you to 763 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: kill a good buck down there. Think about how many 764 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: decisions you made to get to that point, you know 765 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: what I mean. And and those decisions are influenced by 766 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: how you feel there there, how you felt six months 767 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: ago when you were scouting there, how you felt this 768 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: morning when you got up. Everything that we do in 769 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: this space is influenced by how we feel and what 770 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: we believe is going to happen. You know, if we 771 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: if we don't think anything good is going to happen 772 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: out there, there's no way you're putting in the right effort. 773 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: It's really something that you see like on the public 774 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: land white tail side, where you know, some of these 775 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,919 Speaker 1: people out there they kill consistently everywhere they go, and 776 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: it's not because they don't believe, you know, they're gonna 777 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: crash and burn, like they believe they're gonna go out 778 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: and find that good buck and they go do it 779 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: over and over, and so you can assign luck to that. 780 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,720 Speaker 1: But like, man, why would why would somebody be that lucky? 781 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: Like why are why are there just a couple of 782 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: select few out there who are just lucky everywhere they go? 783 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: Like it's not luck anymore? Like maybe there's some maybe 784 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: there's some life circumstances that slipped in there that are 785 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: pretty lucky, and that's like certainly a thing. But they've 786 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: they've got something going on mentally. That's that's a huge 787 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: benefit over a lot of people. I think Mo Shepherd 788 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: was or He's neighbor, but he was only five years 789 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: old when or he killed those big bucks in nineteen sixty. 790 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: He remembers his dad taking him down to the provinces 791 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: to see the giant racks. Living in a community that 792 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: plays value on hunting certainly helped Mo in becoming one 793 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: of the best Big Woods mountain deer hunters that I know. 794 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask Mo about his best streak and hunting, 795 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: and I'd like to say that Mo is the one 796 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: who introduced me to Mr Ory back in two thousand eleven. 797 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: Here's Mo. Yeah. I think there's a there's a lot 798 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: of streaks and hunting deer, and especially in the mountains, 799 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: and there's good streaks and then there's bad streaks. I 800 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: had a pretty long period of a bad streaks as 801 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,919 Speaker 1: far as killing big deer. I killed a few deer, 802 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: but they were just your normal, average smaller deer. Just 803 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: to put in the freezer. And then in about two 804 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen, I hadn't killed any good deer in 805 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: several years, and I found some sign that looked good. 806 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: I decided to go in there, and weather wasn't very good, 807 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of high winds, cold winds, and I went 808 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: into this area to three days slip hunting, killed a 809 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: really nice, big wide rack deer in there. And then 810 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: from that year I think that was two thousand and 811 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: fourteen to two thousand and twenty, it was kind of 812 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: the same scenario. I would find sign either late in 813 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: the year or the year before or early in the season, 814 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: and I'd go to hunting it and it was just 815 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 1: like somebody was put to me to where I needed 816 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: to go. I would go in there and set and 817 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: stand some Sometimes I would slip hunt again. But in 818 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: that six year span I killed eight big bucks, I 819 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: mean dandy bucks for the mountains, and the last one 820 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: I killed was in two thousand twenty and he was 821 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 1: almost twenty two inches wide inside had thirteen points, just 822 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: a massive, big, old mountain deer. I don't know if 823 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: it's if it's any skill involved in it that much, 824 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: or if you're just in the right place at the 825 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: right time. But I've had bad streaks. If that's the 826 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: best streak I've ever had of hunting deer was from 827 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen to two thousand and twenty, that's a 828 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,319 Speaker 1: good streak of hunting Mow. And I like that you 829 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: expanded the time to find parameters of a streak to 830 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: potentially encompassing years. If I asked you about your best streak, 831 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: what would come to mind? Don't forget it or minimize it, 832 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: because I think these streaks can be definers in our 833 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: hunting career. And the good news is is that any 834 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: streak can be broken. We've just got to keep hoping 835 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: of working. I had a pointed question I wanted to 836 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: ask Mo, and he had a pointed answer. If you're 837 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: talking about streaks, how much of it is out of 838 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: your control and how much of it is in your control? 839 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,839 Speaker 1: I say about half and half. I mean, like I said, 840 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: I think you can get yourself in the right places 841 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 1: at the right times. But then that don't mean that 842 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: deer is going to come through there. That don't mean 843 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna come through where you can get a shot 844 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's and it doesn't mean that 845 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big one. No, it doesn't. It 846 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: may just be a nice dear, you know. And that's 847 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: I guess that's a funny part. I use some trail cameras. 848 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: But out of those big eight deer that I told 849 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: you about, I think I've had one of those on 850 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,439 Speaker 1: a camera. That's some good hunting to kill those deers 851 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: simply on sign terrain features and burning the butt leather, 852 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: sitting in a stand, but leather. That's of course language 853 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: for this podcast. Sorry, Juju. Here's Mo and I talking 854 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: about things that are out of our control. This idea 855 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: is so interesting because we're all trying to figure out 856 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: what to do to be more successful, and so you're 857 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: kind of trying to understand just what can I do 858 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: in the woods that's gonna make me more successful. But 859 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: there's always this component that's out of our control. That 860 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 1: is just what nature gives you. What happens that's standing 861 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: on your control. Yeah, a lot of size of deer, 862 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: deer movement, just how many deer there did the You 863 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 1: might kill a deer one year that's an exceptional buck. 864 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: And maybe it was because of the weather that spring 865 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 1: and the previous year that made him have really great antler, 866 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: same big deer I Fid had had struggled the year 867 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: before or through that winter to eight and survive because 868 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 1: it had no mass crop. He let no putton here, 869 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: as much of that growth into them horns, and he 870 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: would keep these bodies. And so so there's all these 871 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: factors that we can't control, like ORI's year, Like at 872 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: the weather patterns in the ozarks, to see if it 873 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: was a really wet spring or a really mild winter 874 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 1: the year before, you know, because those deer could have 875 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: just kind of popped up. I'm not being as magnificent 876 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: as they were. Let's talk about if we can depend 877 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: on luck. I think we're all trying to decide how 878 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: much human effort should go into this, and then how 879 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: much we can depend on luck. We can depend on 880 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: good favor that's beyond our control, because the one thing 881 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: that's for sure is that you're not gonna get lucky. 882 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: You're not gonna have favor. If you're not there, you're 883 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: not gonna get lucky. If you can't shoot your bow 884 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,160 Speaker 1: good and you're not accurate with your weapon, you're not 885 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna get lucky. Like when you kill a deer. The 886 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: eleven forty five, going in and planning to sit all day. 887 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a little bit of luck and 888 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: that it was a huge buck that came through that 889 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: gap in the bluff, But there was a lot of 890 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: most shepherd being a good hunter and sitting there, and 891 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people back home eating lunch, 892 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,799 Speaker 1: and so you know, it's like it's hard to not 893 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,879 Speaker 1: say that luck finds those who are doing a lot 894 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: of work. But there's also the component of if ore. 895 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: He had just killed two really high caliber deer for 896 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: the Ozarks, you know, just big eight points, you know, 897 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 1: hundred deer. We probably wouldn't be talking about him today 898 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: because that would sort of be normal. But when you 899 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,839 Speaker 1: have like lightning strike and you have just to like 900 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: things that are just like off the charts, it's kind 901 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,280 Speaker 1: of wild and and and you've realized that it really 902 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: was something beyond Yeah. I really like what all the 903 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: guys have said, undeserved favor most often finds those who 904 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: are prepared. And I like the half luck half skill equation. 905 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty humble answer. The more times 906 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: you roll the dice, the better the odds are that 907 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna get lucky or he spend his life in 908 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 1: the woods, and the hunters who simply go are usually 909 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: the ones who find the luck. The older I get, 910 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 1: the more grateful I am when I successfully harvest an animal. 911 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: I think it's because I'm aware of the incredible amount 912 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: of things that could have gone wrong that didn't, that 913 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: were beyond by control. And in closing, I absolutely do 914 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,479 Speaker 1: believe that some things were just meant to be. Yes, 915 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: literally scripted into our lives by divine choice and for 916 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,919 Speaker 1: reasons beyond our understanding. Could a dear be scripted into 917 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,320 Speaker 1: your life? That sounds kind of wild, It's probably not normal, 918 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: but I'd have to say yes. You may have heard 919 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,280 Speaker 1: me tell the story, But in July of two thousand 920 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: and seven, I had a dream that I killed a 921 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 1: twenty four point buck. The dream was so vivid and 922 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: strong I woke up and sketched a picture of the 923 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,959 Speaker 1: rack in day did it, And then on October two 924 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: thousand seven, I killed a hundred and sixty nine inch 925 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: buck with my bow, the biggest buck I'd ever seen. 926 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: The deer had twenty one score able points per the 927 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,959 Speaker 1: rules of the scoring system, but it had twenty four 928 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: points that you could hang a ring on It's not 929 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: a joke. This buck opened the door for me to 930 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,320 Speaker 1: get into the outdoor industry after I had my first 931 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: three articles ever published about the deer. I'd never considered 932 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: working in the outdoor industry, but it was a stair step, 933 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: long term thing, and now fifteen years later, I'm working 934 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: for meat Eater. This is a true story. The devil 935 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 1: draped in sparkling light driving a candy apple red Cadillac 936 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: couldn't convince me that this was a coincidence. But was 937 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: it luck? I'd say by a prior definition, yes it was, 938 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,240 Speaker 1: but it was much more than luck. I hunted fifteen 939 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: mornings for the buck, employed a solid strategy, but killing 940 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: the deer and the doors that opened were far beyond 941 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: my control. But I would undeniably say that it was supernatural. 942 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: The highlight of the last forty five minutes has been 943 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: introducing to you all to Orally province. When I met 944 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: him in two thousand and eleven, I recognized he was 945 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,800 Speaker 1: a relic ozark man who had lived a humble, joyful 946 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,759 Speaker 1: life of subsistence, hard work, and faith. I like to 947 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,280 Speaker 1: give honor to men like this, men who didn't ask 948 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: for attention and never expected to get any The beauty 949 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: and intrigue of life is that fantastic stories and people 950 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: surround us. And when someone lives into their nineties, it's 951 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,839 Speaker 1: a special thing. It has the possibility of a unique 952 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: overlap of lives. I took with me that day when 953 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,160 Speaker 1: I went to see him that last time, my son Shepherd, 954 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 1: who was eleven years old at the time, and when 955 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: she Efford is an old man, should the earth persist, 956 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: he will have literally shook hands and engaged with a 957 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: man who was born in nineteen seven. This is kind 958 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: of wild to do this kind of math, but if 959 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,919 Speaker 1: Shephard lived to his ninety one birthday, which would be 960 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: in the year from nineteen to is the span of 961 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,200 Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy two years. If you do the 962 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: same math with Mr Or who passed away in twenty nineteen, 963 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: he could have interfaced with a man born in eighteen 964 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: thirty six. That's the year Davy Crockett died, in the 965 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 1: year that Arkansas became a state. Time is moving faster 966 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: than it feels like, and it's a fraudulent master and 967 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: all we can do is steward the time well that 968 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: we've got And man, I'm gonna be looking for a 969 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: shriek and I know where they come for. Thanks so 970 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 1: much for listening to Bear Greece. Please do me a 971 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: favor by sharing our podcast with your friends and family. 972 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 1: And I really do appreciate all the iTunes reviews, even 973 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: the guy that tried to talk Arkansas mountain orogeny with 974 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,320 Speaker 1: me mountain building. And hey, if you're looking for some 975 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: killer nuts and bolts deep dives into white tail strategy, 976 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: check out Mark and Tony's Wired to Hunt podcast. And 977 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure looking forward to talking with everyone on the 978 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: Render crew about this podcast next week. See you then,