Speaker 1: Everything in our society automatically creates disease, our process, diet,
Speaker 1: our century lifestyles, chronic stress. You know, I was with
Speaker 1: this guy, Silvio, on top of this mountain in Sardinia,
Speaker 1: who was two hundred sheeps and goat and his family
Speaker 1: lived there for one hundred of years, and so I said,
Speaker 1: I said, Silvio, so do you have any stress in
Speaker 1: your life? And he looked at me like it was
Speaker 1: the weirdest freaking question he'd ever even asked. And then
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, you know, sometimes at night a goat
Speaker 1: gets loose and I have to go get it. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: advocate in the field of functional medicine. Doctor Hyman is
Speaker 1: the founder and director of the Ultra Wellness Center, senior
Speaker 1: Advisor for the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine, a
Speaker 1: fourteen time New York Times best selling author, and Board
Speaker 1: President for Clinical Affairs for the Institute for Functional Medicine.
Speaker 1: Doctor Hyman is the host of one of the leading
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Speaker 1: advisor and co host of many shows. And today were
Speaker 1: tooms new book Young Forever, The Secrets to Living your longest,
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Speaker 1: program is to reverse disease, ease pain, and renew energy.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to On Purpose for the second time, Doctor
Speaker 1: Mark Hyman. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's okay to
Speaker 1: see you, man, No, thank you for being here. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, your work is so practical, it's so accessible.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we get to finally be in person. And
Speaker 1: I remember last time you came on the show, everyone
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it. So I can't wait for this inhuman
Speaker 1: person connection. But I want to start because when I
Speaker 1: was reading through this book, a lot of stuff came up.
Speaker 1: This this really stood out to me, really stood out
Speaker 1: to me. I want to dive straight in. Go let's go.
Speaker 1: You said, for every ten percent of your diet that
Speaker 1: is ultra processed food, your risk of dyeing goes up
Speaker 1: fourteen percent. So wait, I'll repeat that for everyone, For
Speaker 1: every ten percent of your diet that is ultra processed food,
Speaker 1: your risk of dying goes up to fourteen percent. You're
Speaker 1: saying that's for every ten percent. Yeah, that's one percent
Speaker 1: of our diet and sixty seven percent of kids diets
Speaker 1: today in America. And what's ultra processed food? It's basically
Speaker 1: food like substances. It's not really food. I mean, processed
Speaker 1: food is not bad. Sour crouts processed food, miso processed food.
Speaker 1: You know, can sardines and canned tomatoes. That's processed food.
Speaker 1: That's okay. But it's the ultra processed food, which is
Speaker 1: where they take the raw materials from soy, wheat and
Speaker 1: corn that are grown through industrial agriculture. They break them
Speaker 1: in part to the component parts. They reassemble them in
Speaker 1: foodlike substances, which are all color, size and shapes of
Speaker 1: chemically extruded foods. That have no resemblance to anything we're
Speaker 1: ever eaten for most of our evolutionary history and are
Speaker 1: extremely triggering for all the ancient pathways to cause disease.
Speaker 1: So if you want to get sick and die early,
Speaker 1: eat processed food. Yeah. Well, with this conversation of how
Speaker 1: our diet and our gut health being linked to longevity
Speaker 1: and aging, it's something that's i mean, been around for
Speaker 1: for a long long time, but I feel like we're
Speaker 1: only really having this conversation now and more and more
Speaker 1: people are moving in that action. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1: I think it's true. I don't think And honestly, I've
Speaker 1: been in practicing medicine for over thirty years and I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how shocking it is to somebody my
Speaker 1: well educated patients that food has anything to do with
Speaker 1: how they feel. I mean, like, forget about disease. It's
Speaker 1: like and most doctors, if you ask, you know, just
Speaker 1: food have any to do that arthritis or rumors arthritis
Speaker 1: or you know, cancer or dementia, They're gonna don't know,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's absolutely the biggest driver. It's the
Speaker 1: single biggest thing we do every day, which is interact
Speaker 1: with literally pounds of foreign material that we have to digest,
Speaker 1: breakdown and assimilate. And in the food is not just calories,
Speaker 1: it's information, it's instructions. It's code that regulates every aspect
Speaker 1: of your biology, for good or bad. And so we
Speaker 1: now understand how these ancient systems in our body that
Speaker 1: either can activate longevity and healing or can cause disease,
Speaker 1: are influenced by the information and food. So food is
Speaker 1: medicine but can also be poison. So ultra process food
Speaker 1: is literally poison. It's addictive, it dries, inflammation, it accelerates
Speaker 1: every age related disease we know of, from cancer to hearts,
Speaker 1: thease to diabetes and dementia, depression, everything you can posibly imagine.
Speaker 1: Even violence and divisiveness and hatred in our society are
Speaker 1: driven by food. And I talked about this in my
Speaker 1: last book, Food Fixed. Where in prisons, if they give
Speaker 1: prisoners healthy food, the violent crime goes down by fifty
Speaker 1: six percent. If they give it in juvenile detention centers,
Speaker 1: their violence goes down by our ninety percent. The restriction
Speaker 1: that these and news restraints goes down by seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: Suicide goes down by one hundred percent. That's a third
Speaker 1: leading cause of death in this population. So food is
Speaker 1: so important to so many aspects of our physical and
Speaker 1: mental health. So we need to understand how our bodies
Speaker 1: interact with food and how we've co evolved with food
Speaker 1: and how to turn on the right signals in the
Speaker 1: body to activate well being and joy and pleasure and
Speaker 1: also all these ancient longevity switches. So that's really a
Speaker 1: lot about my book Young credits about it is about
Speaker 1: how do we activate these ancient longevity switches, these ancient
Speaker 1: healing systems. So they quote from the book from the
Speaker 1: are you Vedic science was that when diet is wrong,
Speaker 1: medicine is of no use, and when diet is correct,
Speaker 1: medicine is of no need. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: an ancient bit of wisdom from your culture. But it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's as true as it ever was. Yeah, No, it's
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me. So my my wife's an
Speaker 1: ioredic practitioner and so yeah, and so she's an iretic
Speaker 1: health counselor and that's kind of her field of study.
Speaker 1: And what's really interesting about what you're saying and when
Speaker 1: you're talking about being young forever? I think the challenge
Speaker 1: is when you are young in age, you don't ever
Speaker 1: feel fallible, like you almost feel and I and I
Speaker 1: remember relating to that feeling of yeah, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: feel like this forever, right, Yeah. And then you start
Speaker 1: getting older and I'm not, you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty five now and ancient and yeah, and it's but
Speaker 1: you start to notice different things and you start thinking
Speaker 1: about these things more often. Like I didn't have to
Speaker 1: think about my digestion until I was like thirty, and
Speaker 1: you start thinking about it or your energy levels or
Speaker 1: like what was possible and what wasn't. And I consider
Speaker 1: myself to be someone who wants to live an optimal life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't just want to sit back and do nothing
Speaker 1: to live a long life. I want to live a
Speaker 1: life for I'm of service and I'm living my purpose
Speaker 1: and I'm being able to have deep experiences. So when
Speaker 1: you talk about being young forever, what are the things
Speaker 1: that we're doing that are aging us faster? And this
Speaker 1: so much? I mean, the first thing I say is
Speaker 1: that the purpose of being young forever is not to
Speaker 1: live a heatedness of life and seek pleasure and just
Speaker 1: being narcissistic It's about being able to show up in
Speaker 1: your life fully, being able to love and serve and
Speaker 1: do the things that you want to do, To engage
Speaker 1: in life in a meaningful, purposeful way, to be able
Speaker 1: to be president in relationships, to show up for your
Speaker 1: friends and family and community, to give be of service,
Speaker 1: you know, like nim Caroli Baba said, love everybody, serve everybody,
Speaker 1: feed everybody. I think that's how it sums up the book.
Speaker 1: I think that there's so many things that we are
Speaker 1: doing unconsciously that are disrupting our ability to live well
Speaker 1: and age well and feel good. And there are many
Speaker 1: cultures around the world like the Blue Zones which I visited,
Speaker 1: like Sardinia and Korea, where the defaults are all automatically
Speaker 1: making them healthy. If all you have to eat is
Speaker 1: your local wild foods and whole unprocessed foods, you're gonna
Speaker 1: eat that. If if you have to hike five miles
Speaker 1: a day up and down rocky terrain to shepherd your
Speaker 1: goats and sheep, you're gonna do that. You're not going
Speaker 1: to go to the gym, right. If you have to
Speaker 1: like lift big logs and build things, that's how you're
Speaker 1: gonna stay strong. Their community and their relationships are such
Speaker 1: an embedded part of their whole culture. So they had
Speaker 1: these automatic defaults that create health. Everything in our society
Speaker 1: automatically creates disease. Our process, diet, which we just talked about,
Speaker 1: our century lifestyles, chronic stress. You know. I was with
Speaker 1: this guy, Silvio, on top of this mountain in Sardinia,
Speaker 1: who was two hundred sheeps and goat and his family
Speaker 1: lived there for one hundred of years. And we had
Speaker 1: this beautiful dinner of all his food that he grew,
Speaker 1: and he made acknowledged sheep, cheese, everything, And so I said,
Speaker 1: I said, Silvio, do you have any stress in your life?
Speaker 1: And he looked at me like it was the weirdest
Speaker 1: freaking question he'd never even loved. And he's We took
Speaker 1: him a while. He saw it and he pondered, and
Speaker 1: then he said, yeah, you know, sometimes at night a
Speaker 1: goat gets loose and I have to go get it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they got So we live in such
Speaker 1: a chronically stressed life. We're sleep deprived. We were exposed
Speaker 1: to unnatural light at the wrong times of day. We
Speaker 1: are exposed to an overload of environmental toxins. We have
Speaker 1: a horde of drugs were being given that are destroying
Speaker 1: our microbiome, antibiotics and all the things in our foods
Speaker 1: apply that are damaging our gods. So we have literally
Speaker 1: a disease producing culture. And we have a society that's
Speaker 1: focused on individualism and success and achievement. And you know,
Speaker 1: in Sardinian agree on where I was, people weren't like
Speaker 1: on this big goal to achieve you know something. They
Speaker 1: were just living. They were just enjoying life. They were
Speaker 1: celebrating together, they were savoring the sweet things in life.
Speaker 1: They were just enjoying being as enough. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think so much of our culture is about doing
Speaker 1: and making and creating, which is not bad. I do it,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna cost if we are unbalanced
Speaker 1: in how we do it. Where are the starting points
Speaker 1: for people in creating longevity in their life, Because I find,
Speaker 1: like what you just said, you're so right, And sometimes
Speaker 1: what I find is that the world is overwhelming in
Speaker 1: the way that it's set up, but even trying to
Speaker 1: change your habits can be as overwhelming as well. Where
Speaker 1: people go, I don't know where to start, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start with my diet. I don't
Speaker 1: know where to start with my stress lifestyle. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, So where do you encourage people to start
Speaker 1: figuring out what the root cause of their challenges are
Speaker 1: and where they go from there? Well, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: is different, but I would say, you know, it sounds
Speaker 1: maybe obvious, but the fundamental things that keep us healthy
Speaker 1: and keep us living long are really quite simple. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's a study many years ago by James Freeze,
Speaker 1: who we published in the newly Journal of Medicine, where
Speaker 1: he looked at what he called the compression of morbidity,
Speaker 1: the idea that we could have our health span equal
Speaker 1: our lifespan. Most of us spend the last twenty percent
Speaker 1: of our lives sick. Right, So you might live to eighty,
Speaker 1: but the percent of your life maybe twenty years or
Speaker 1: a little bit less, you're going to be unwell. That's
Speaker 1: not fun. And he found if you just kept your
Speaker 1: ideal body weight, if you exercise and you didn't smoke,
Speaker 1: you live a long, healthy life and you would die quickly,
Speaker 1: painlessly and cheaply. But if you didn't, you would die long, expensive,
Speaker 1: painful deaths at early. Right. So I think where do
Speaker 1: people start. I think they start with the very foundational
Speaker 1: basics of self care, which is food and exercise and
Speaker 1: stress reduction tools like you have in calm where you
Speaker 1: teach people seven minute meditations. You don't have to go
Speaker 1: to a monaster. You're like you did for years. Now
Speaker 1: you can learn how to increase your sleep quality. These
Speaker 1: are really foundational, basic things that everybody needs to know
Speaker 1: how to do. And there's a little differences for everybody.
Speaker 1: But the food stuff is really pretty straightforward. Eat real food.
Speaker 1: If it's basically grown in a plant, eat it. If
Speaker 1: it's made in a plant, stay away from it. I
Speaker 1: don't have another I used to do a lot of
Speaker 1: work with churches and faith based healing and wellness, not
Speaker 1: faith healing, but faith based cultures and wellness. And although
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to faith healing either, and I used
Speaker 1: to say, it's really simple to know what to eat.
Speaker 1: Leave the food that man made, Eat the food that
Speaker 1: God made. It's something a five year old can understand. Dude,
Speaker 1: God make an avocado, Yes, did he made a twinky? No?
Speaker 1: It's not that hard. So stick with things that are
Speaker 1: as close to what their original form was. He foods
Speaker 1: that are rich in plants. Plant I call it plant
Speaker 1: rich diet, which is all the phytochemicals, and plants are medicines.
Speaker 1: Make sure you have adequate approaching as you get older,
Speaker 1: because that is important for building muscle, and muscle is
Speaker 1: the currency of aging. And we get frail and decrepit
Speaker 1: as we get older because we lose muscle. Learn some
Speaker 1: simple practices of exercise that work for you, whether it's
Speaker 1: taking a walk. Resistance training is pretty important as you
Speaker 1: get older, which is either bands or body weight or
Speaker 1: weights or something. There's all kinds of techniques out there.
Speaker 1: But Bill and I was lazy out this. I didn't
Speaker 1: start till I was sixty, but I really transformed my
Speaker 1: body even starting at sixty years old compared to why
Speaker 1: I was at forty. I'll show you a picture later
Speaker 1: before and after, but it's pretty impressive. And I think
Speaker 1: the other part is, you know, optimizing your sleep, and
Speaker 1: all all of the practices of how to do that
Speaker 1: are in the book. And then there's you know, extra
Speaker 1: layers of things you can do, which is the right supplements,
Speaker 1: and then there's all these emerging longevity therapies that are
Speaker 1: out there that are called hormesis which means the things
Speaker 1: that are stressful to your body, but they won't kill you.
Speaker 1: So exercises a stress if you're lifting weights or tearing muscles,
Speaker 1: you're building muscle. Everybody's familiar with that, and you get stronger. Basically,
Speaker 1: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And there's phytohomesis,
Speaker 1: which are these plant compounds that are plants defenses that
Speaker 1: we consume, but that help our bodies activate healing responses.
Speaker 1: So like all the colorful vegetables fyseten and strawberries, there's
Speaker 1: things in pomegranate, you're lithana, the catechins and green tea,
Speaker 1: and the list goes on, and there's listen list of
Speaker 1: them in the book and how to aize that, and
Speaker 1: then there's really simple ways to optimize your timing of
Speaker 1: eating to activate repair systems. So one of the key
Speaker 1: strategies around food is to use it to activate these
Speaker 1: ancient longevity switches. So we weren't meant to eat all
Speaker 1: the time. We have hundreds of genes that help us
Speaker 1: adapt to starvation, but very few that help us adapt
Speaker 1: to abundance or excess, which we have now. So when
Speaker 1: you have periods of fasting, which has been done throughout
Speaker 1: the centuries for various religious or spiritual reasons and various practices.
Speaker 1: But it could be just an overnight fast for twelve
Speaker 1: hours or for twelve hours or fourteen hours or sixteen
Speaker 1: hours that gives your body a chance to clean up.
Speaker 1: Imagine like being in your kitchen and cooking every night
Speaker 1: and never washing the dishes and never cleaning up and
Speaker 1: never analyzed it like you wouldn't do that. Your body
Speaker 1: needs that repair system to be activated, and it only
Speaker 1: be activated when you're not eating for a period of time.
Speaker 1: So that is a very powerful way to activate these
Speaker 1: ancient switches that shut off inflammation, that increase antioxidant systems,
Speaker 1: that booster stem cell production, that cause autophagy, the cellular
Speaker 1: cleanup where you have little pac Man cells going around
Speaker 1: and cleaning up old damage cells and tissues and proteins.
Speaker 1: It's a very important strategy for improving your overall quantity
Speaker 1: of life and health and metabolism. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of hacks that you can use from a food perspective
Speaker 1: that I encourage, But there's also other treatments that are
Speaker 1: out there, like that are not just fastining for hormesis,
Speaker 1: but hot therapies and cold therapies. So you might have
Speaker 1: heard about like saunas or cold plunges and it's kind
Speaker 1: of all the rage now, but the science around this
Speaker 1: is really remarkable. Like in Finland, if you just take
Speaker 1: a sauna a few times a week, your risk of
Speaker 1: death goes down by twenty four percent. If you do
Speaker 1: it four or five times a week, it goes down
Speaker 1: over forty percent. And that was compared to a control
Speaker 1: group in Finland which took a sauna once a week.
Speaker 1: Because everybody has a sauna in Finland. It basically I
Speaker 1: think there's enough saunas in Finland for the entire population
Speaker 1: to be once and then that increases your dat immune system.
Speaker 1: It activates something called heat chocked proteins that kill the
Speaker 1: clean up all the damage proteins and help refold them
Speaker 1: and make them work better. And one of the hallmarks
Speaker 1: of aging these ten things to go wrong as we
Speaker 1: age is damage proteins, so there's all these benefits. Cold
Speaker 1: plunges also activate your monochondria and brown fat and help
Speaker 1: stimulate all these longevity pathways. So we can take a
Speaker 1: cold shower in the morning like I did a hot
Speaker 1: bath at night. If you have a sauna grade or
Speaker 1: a cold plunge grade. And there's even you know, other
Speaker 1: therapies like hypoxiatherapies or hyperbaric oxygen or you know, even
Speaker 1: ozone which is being used now for all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of very cool stuff on
Speaker 1: the margins, but the foundations are so key. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: blue zones where like I'm at a couple that collectively
Speaker 1: was two hundred and ten years old, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have you know, they didn't have
Speaker 1: saunas and hyperbaric oxygen and ozone and supplements, and they
Speaker 1: didn't have any of that. They they had these foundational things.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying is, even given the
Speaker 1: basic things that we do know, we can easily get
Speaker 1: to one hundred and when these people moved to the West,
Speaker 1: they I at the same rate as everybody else, so
Speaker 1: it's not some special genetic thing. And then these other
Speaker 1: advances and things I talked about in the book can
Speaker 1: probably get us to one hundred and twenty, and then
Speaker 1: what's coming down the pike might get us two one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or even longer. So imagine a world
Speaker 1: where we can take advantage of the wisdom. I mean,
Speaker 1: in this culture, elders. There's such a thing as elders.
Speaker 1: There's old people, the elder lee, which is Pejorda, but elders,
Speaker 1: I mean, how valuable are they to society? The wisdom keepers?
Speaker 1: You know, we lost all that and and imagine, like,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to be sixty three next week. You
Speaker 1: look incredible. Yeah, they're amazing, You're the best. Four facelifts
Speaker 1: is good now? Actually, I think it's it's it's remarkable
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm finally figuring life out, you know,
Speaker 1: I finally figuring out how to be happy and have
Speaker 1: good relationships and live my life in a balanced way
Speaker 1: and take care of myself. And I've just kind of
Speaker 1: figured so much out. Not everything, obviously, but I feel
Speaker 1: like now I'm just beginning. And now most people at
Speaker 1: sixty three are winding down. I remember as a kid,
Speaker 1: sixty three was like an old person, like dude, you know,
Speaker 1: But I'm going helly skiing this year. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm learning how to surf better than in December,
Speaker 1: riding horses on the beach in Mexico. Next week, I'm
Speaker 1: doing all these things that I, you know, are just
Speaker 1: very physical, active things that you wouldn't think a sixty
Speaker 1: three year old could do. Yeah, but the body is
Speaker 1: capable of that. With your journey, though, when you said
Speaker 1: you started at sixty, like doing strength or resilience based training,
Speaker 1: et cetera, was help something that came very late in
Speaker 1: your life or was it like not at all? No,
Speaker 1: you might not know this tree, but I was a
Speaker 1: yoga teacher before I was a doctor. I did not
Speaker 1: know that. So yeah, I studied Buddhism in college, and
Speaker 1: I medicine was an afterthought. So I was living with
Speaker 1: a PhD student nutrition at Cornell, and I studied nutrition.
Speaker 1: I learned about nutrition against the dase. I was as
Speaker 1: you're tearing for many years, and I basically was very
Speaker 1: focused on health and well being. I ran five miles
Speaker 1: a day yoga all the time, but I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't do weights. I didn't do resistance training. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm doing yoga, run I by. It gets fine,
Speaker 1: I play Dannis whatever, but I thought I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Jim's your smelly And every time I like do push
Speaker 1: ups with my chest would hurt. I'm like, this is dumb.
Speaker 1: But then I know, I couldn't do ten push ups
Speaker 1: when I was fifty, and now I can drop and
Speaker 1: do like seventy five eighty push ups without stopping. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's impressive. Yeah, it's just the body has the ability
Speaker 1: at any age to kind of recover. And I you know,
Speaker 1: my dad was eighty nine. He couldn't get up out
Speaker 1: of a chair because he just kind of had gotten
Speaker 1: a little frail. So I got him a trainer at
Speaker 1: eighty nine for the first time, and he was able
Speaker 1: to get so much fitter and stronger and more functional.
Speaker 1: So it's never too late to start. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like the biggest challenge that I'm noticing in all of
Speaker 1: this is that I was saying to someone recently that
Speaker 1: if I asked everyone, how many of you want to
Speaker 1: eat healthier? Everyone would raise their hands. If I ask
Speaker 1: people the question how many of you want to work
Speaker 1: out more? Most people would raise their hands. We don't
Speaker 1: have a challenge in desire. We have a challenge in
Speaker 1: habits where we don't know how to move away from
Speaker 1: this compelling feeling. We have to go with what feels
Speaker 1: good in the moment, right like when you look at
Speaker 1: food It's like choosing a bowl of vegetables or a
Speaker 1: bowl of fries. You're going to choose the fries out
Speaker 1: of habit. And I find that sometimes we can put
Speaker 1: our willpower together and we can kind of push through
Speaker 1: and have that, but then as soon as we get access,
Speaker 1: we cave again. So how have you thought about as
Speaker 1: you're helping guide people in this journey, like, how have
Speaker 1: you found even for yourself, you went from yoga to
Speaker 1: then being able to do a push ups today, what
Speaker 1: were the key tenets in helping you change your habits?
Speaker 1: Because I find that we're in a habits crisis right now.
Speaker 1: More than anything, I've been always pretty self discipline. I
Speaker 1: think that the thing that I've really learned, though, Jay,
Speaker 1: is that it's it's your community that matters. That's your
Speaker 1: social not your social network online, but your actual social
Speaker 1: network in person that drives so much of your behavior.
Speaker 1: And I for decades studied the sort of molecular biology
Speaker 1: and physiology and biochemistry and genetics, and I was sort
Speaker 1: of in deep into like the inner workings of the
Speaker 1: human body. And you know, Einstein said, I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in the thoughts and the spectrum of this or that element.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the thoughts of God. The rest are details.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I was so interested to know
Speaker 1: the mind of God by understanding the natural laws of biology,
Speaker 1: which is what functional medicine is, what's described and young forever.
Speaker 1: But I had kind of missed something, which is how
Speaker 1: do we get people to change behavior? Because I can
Speaker 1: change biology, I can take someone with diabetes and heart
Speaker 1: failure and all these problems and I can reverse it.
Speaker 1: And I went to Haiti after the earthquake in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: and I met Paul Farmer, who basically took care of
Speaker 1: people who were the most underserved people in the world.
Speaker 1: Haiti is the poorest civilization, the worst Western hemisphere. Half
Speaker 1: of the population lism less than a dollar a day,
Speaker 1: and these people were basically infected by the public health
Speaker 1: community and the TB and AIDS. And he said, look,
Speaker 1: I can cure these diseases with drugs. These are easy.
Speaker 1: But people don't have the ability to take the drugs,
Speaker 1: and they don't have to walk clean water, and they
Speaker 1: don't have a watch. They'm gonna take it. And so
Speaker 1: he realized that the powerless community. So he created this
Speaker 1: model of accompaniment. We're going to accompany each other to health,
Speaker 1: and so he used community health workers essentially. And then
Speaker 1: I realize that, wow, you know, we call all these
Speaker 1: chronic illnesses of aging. We call them non communicable diseases.
Speaker 1: They're not infectious, but there are contagious. We know that
Speaker 1: if you're overweight your family is overweight, it's not as
Speaker 1: strong a predictor of obesity as if your friends are overweight.
Speaker 1: If your friends are overweight, you're one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: one percent more likely to be overweight than if your
Speaker 1: family is overweight. Wow, I didn't know that, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: This is Chris Stoker's work from Harvard, and so it's
Speaker 1: our social fabric that determines our behavior. These social threads
Speaker 1: that connect us are more important than our genetic sets.
Speaker 1: So if you're all your friends are, you know, drinking
Speaker 1: beer and having fries and burgers and watching football, which
Speaker 1: it may not be a bad thing, but you might
Speaker 1: like that, you might not be as healthy as if
Speaker 1: all your friends are drinking green juices and going to
Speaker 1: yoga every day. Right, So it's a very different framework.
Speaker 1: So I realized that the power of community is so important.
Speaker 1: So we did a program at this church Saddleback Church
Speaker 1: in California, where we used the small groups that they
Speaker 1: already had built, and we put a healthy curriculum, letting
Speaker 1: curriculum through those groups, and we thought a few one
Speaker 1: hundred people, which show up. Fifteen thousand people signed up
Speaker 1: the first week and they accompanied other health and they
Speaker 1: lost a quarter million pounds in the first year. And
Speaker 1: through this process, I really learned that it was the
Speaker 1: power of each other to help each other get healthier,
Speaker 1: to lift each other up, to inspire each other, to
Speaker 1: hold each other accountable. It's like aa or it's like
Speaker 1: weight watchers. These things work because they have a community
Speaker 1: connected component. And that was one of the things I
Speaker 1: learned from the Blue Zones Jay that was so important.
Speaker 1: There was a little nursing homes. You know, their whole
Speaker 1: society was built around relationships and community and connection and
Speaker 1: celebration together. So people weren't isolated and lonely and disconnected
Speaker 1: like they are in the society, but they were deeply connected.
Speaker 1: The song out right, It's like the song is one
Speaker 1: of the three pillars of enlightenment, which is community that
Speaker 1: helps you build and work towards the right action and
Speaker 1: the right life and the right kind of loving and
Speaker 1: the right behavior, all these things. So I think we
Speaker 1: really underestimate the power of that. So what I would
Speaker 1: say to people is find us someone, a friend, a buddy,
Speaker 1: a group. You know, my friend Rick Warren, a pastor
Speaker 1: of Saddleback Church, said everybody needs a buddy. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it sounds so simple when you say it like that,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it can feel like such a complex
Speaker 1: question sometimes and then when you put it like that,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, that makes so much sense, and
Speaker 1: I start thinking about the people I spend time with.
Speaker 1: Then I think people struggle with points of transition in
Speaker 1: communities in their life. So it's like they built a community,
Speaker 1: they built a group of friends. Now they want new
Speaker 1: visions with their life. They have new habits they want
Speaker 1: to adopt, and it's like letting go of an old
Speaker 1: set of habits which are linked to a group of
Speaker 1: people is the most difficult part. Right, If you're used
Speaker 1: to going and watching football with a group of people
Speaker 1: who you will drink together and eat unhealthily together. To you,
Speaker 1: you're not just giving up the food, you're almost giving
Speaker 1: up company. That's sort of if you're an alcoholic and
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with other alcoholics. You got to find
Speaker 1: new friends, you know, Yeah, and that's the hard part,
Speaker 1: and that's the hard part. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: I found, having made many transitions in my life of
Speaker 1: groups of friends and habits. I found that the first
Speaker 1: thing was don't try leave your friends or break relationships,
Speaker 1: but try and build new ones first. And so a
Speaker 1: lot of people spend time going, Okay, well, I've got
Speaker 1: to somehow talk to this person about how we're not
Speaker 1: going to spend time together. And it's almost the other
Speaker 1: way around. Find the new community first, find the new
Speaker 1: songer first, and the more you start associating with that
Speaker 1: group of people, it becomes natural for these things to
Speaker 1: have less energy and less time for. And the second
Speaker 1: thing was that I found that the people who wanted
Speaker 1: to be in my life continue to be in my life. Right,
Speaker 1: that's right. They'll come along, Yeah, they'll come and they'll
Speaker 1: aspire them. My god, Jay's doing so good, he looks
Speaker 1: so good, he's he's feeling good. I want to know
Speaker 1: what he's doing, what's he's smoking exactly exactly. And the
Speaker 1: people that want to be in your life will come
Speaker 1: along with you. And I think that we sometimes just
Speaker 1: get so tired in in those groups that we just
Speaker 1: can't break out of them. But I love that answer.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the in the book,
Speaker 1: you talk about the ten hallmarks of Yes, and I
Speaker 1: want to dive into this because I think we're just
Speaker 1: again and I come at this as a patient of
Speaker 1: the book, like as as you know, when I'm reading
Speaker 1: the book, I don't count myself as someone who knows.
Speaker 1: I count myself as someone who is considers myself quite
Speaker 1: uneducated when it comes to physical biological health. And when
Speaker 1: I'm reading this, I'm going I don't even think most
Speaker 1: of us know that. We're just not even aware. So
Speaker 1: I want to pick up you didn't get a handbook
Speaker 1: when you were born? This is yeah. I mean, most
Speaker 1: people can run their iPhone like nobody's business, but they
Speaker 1: don't know how to run their body at all. And
Speaker 1: so I want to pick a few that I already
Speaker 1: stood out to me. And we've talked about a couple
Speaker 1: of these, but hallmark one is disrupted hormone and nutrient signaling.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about the link between inflammation
Speaker 1: and aging because I find that that's something that people
Speaker 1: are learning about slowly or at least if you're not
Speaker 1: learning about it, you're experiencing inflamation for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the diseases of aging are inflammation diseases, right,
Speaker 1: heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia. I think, you know, before
Speaker 1: we kind of dive into those, I just want to
Speaker 1: sort of set the stage, which is, you know, what's
Speaker 1: really exciting for the first time, and I talked about
Speaker 1: the mind of God For the first time, we're understanding
Speaker 1: these fundamental laws of biology, Like we understand the laws
Speaker 1: of physics, and from a very few natural laws of physics,
Speaker 1: we can see and create an enormous amount of phenomena. Right,
Speaker 1: Think about the things that we can create with physics.
Speaker 1: That's rocketship, going to the moon, you know, a bridge
Speaker 1: and build a building and talk on the podcast. It's
Speaker 1: all physics, right, And that's a amazing to me. And
Speaker 1: it's just from a few natural laws. What are those
Speaker 1: natural laws of biology? They haven't really been described. So
Speaker 1: scientists for the first time are understanding these fundamental laws.
Speaker 1: They describe all the disease phenomena we see. The diseases
Speaker 1: are weighed down stream and menaces focused on whackam all treatment,
Speaker 1: you know, you just find the cure for heart disease
Speaker 1: and diabetes and cancer and dementia. What if they're all
Speaker 1: the same. What if it's all the same disease with
Speaker 1: just different manifestations like leaves on a tree where the
Speaker 1: trunk and the roots are the same. So that's what
Speaker 1: we're finding. And the hallmarks of aging are these things
Speaker 1: that go wrong as we get older that cause all
Speaker 1: these diseases. And if we just cured heart disease and
Speaker 1: cancer from the face of the earth, like, how many
Speaker 1: years will we live longer? And these are the number
Speaker 1: one and two killers three to five years, which is
Speaker 1: kind of shocking, right, if we've dealt with these hallmarks,
Speaker 1: these causes, we might get another thirty or forty years.
Speaker 1: And what's important to understand is that sciences are looking
Speaker 1: at how do we treat these and that's help full.
Speaker 1: But from my perspective, and I think what's unique about
Speaker 1: my book Young Forever is that I go to a
Speaker 1: deeper level what is the cause of the hallmarks? Because
Speaker 1: if the call marks are the cause of disease, what
Speaker 1: causes the hallmarks? Yeah, it's really quite simple. It's either
Speaker 1: too much of something that our body doesn't like or
Speaker 1: not enough of something in our body needs to thrive.
Speaker 1: What are the impediments to health and the ingredients for health,
Speaker 1: and it's a short list. Impediments for health are bad food,
Speaker 1: too much stress, physical or psychological, environmental toxins, microbes can
Speaker 1: be gut microbiome being messed up, or infections and also
Speaker 1: allergens things that cause inflammation. So those are the fundamental things.
Speaker 1: And what does our body need to thrive. We need
Speaker 1: the right food, the nutrients, right bounce of hormones, light,
Speaker 1: air and water connection meaning purpose, rest, restoration, sleep, exercise, movement.
Speaker 1: All these things are the ingredients for health. It's a
Speaker 1: very short list. So that's the framework of functional medicine.
Speaker 1: You either dying of too much or dying too little,
Speaker 1: right and so understand the information coming in from food
Speaker 1: and what to do with it. So when we eat
Speaker 1: protein and sugar and fat, our bodies know how to
Speaker 1: handle this. We have all these pathways that digest to
Speaker 1: metabolize these things. When these sensing pathways are overloaded with
Speaker 1: too much of the wrong stuff, if you have you
Speaker 1: know we need glue, coast and sugar or fine. But
Speaker 1: if you are eating like a pound a day of
Speaker 1: sugar and flour almost which is what most Americans do today.
Speaker 1: That's like an avalanche of sugar and flour. That's a toxic,
Speaker 1: poisonous pharmacologic dose. So that overloads, for example, the insulin
Speaker 1: signaling pathway, one of these four longevity switches that are
Speaker 1: part of our nutrient sensing system. That overloads it and
Speaker 1: causes you to have a cascade of downstream effects from
Speaker 1: inflammation to increasing belly fat, to oxidative stress, to mitochondral injury,
Speaker 1: to all these things that lend to a rapid aging process.
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest one, and that's kind of sugar
Speaker 1: and start. So if you want to do one thing
Speaker 1: to extend your life, cut out or cut down dramatically
Speaker 1: on the amount of sugar and starts you're eating every day,
Speaker 1: and have more fat, and have more vegetables and have
Speaker 1: more in good quality proteins. Those will all help you thrive.
Speaker 1: The other is the pathway around the nutrient sensing It's
Speaker 1: something called m tour and this is something people have
Speaker 1: heard about, maybe maybe not, but essentially it's kind of
Speaker 1: cool because there's this pathway that is so important in
Speaker 1: activating the cellular clean up mechanism called autophagy. And now
Speaker 1: we've heard about this, which is why we talk about
Speaker 1: intimate and fasting, or time restricted eating, or keytogenic diets
Speaker 1: or all these things that people are kind of tossing around.
Speaker 1: The reason those are important is they give your body
Speaker 1: a chance to do clean up at night, right, and
Speaker 1: we need to clean up like the kitchen instead of
Speaker 1: leaving it the dishes in there for a week or
Speaker 1: a month. So that process is so important. So we
Speaker 1: need times of not eating to activate this autophagy process,
Speaker 1: and that happens by the inhibition of M tour. Now
Speaker 1: M tour when it's overstimulated by too much protein all
Speaker 1: the time or too much sugar all the time, we'll
Speaker 1: just keep making stuff in the body. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you just keep making food in your kitchen,
Speaker 1: it's gonna overflow and it's gonna be a mess. And
Speaker 1: that's what happens inside your body. So what they found
Speaker 1: was it was this compound that they that they discovered
Speaker 1: in Rapa Nui, which is Easter Island. Now, who knows
Speaker 1: the aliens came down and put those things there, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's those statues that are on this island
Speaker 1: off the coast of the Chile, right, and they scraped
Speaker 1: off some stuff off the back of the statue and
Speaker 1: they took it back to the lab and they oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this is an antifungal, and now it doesn't work
Speaker 1: so well, maybe it has some immune properties and it's
Speaker 1: used in transplant medicine. But then it discovered it inhibits
Speaker 1: m tour. In fact, the name m tour stands for
Speaker 1: mammalian target of Rappa mic and Rappa myycin is named
Speaker 1: after Rapa Nui or Easter Island, So the drug that
Speaker 1: they've developed is named after this, and this inhibits emptor.
Speaker 1: It is now being studied for longevity, and so we
Speaker 1: need periods of time to inhibit emptor fasting and aud
Speaker 1: even anything. And we need time to stimulate em tour
Speaker 1: to build muscle so we don't get frail and decrepit
Speaker 1: as we age. And then there's other pathways like SIR
Speaker 1: two ends and MPK that are part of our nutrients
Speaker 1: sensing system that detects scarcity and will activate DNA repair.
Speaker 1: And people have heard about an example risk fair trawl
Speaker 1: and longevity, and this work of doctor David Sinclair and this,
Speaker 1: you know, they worked, but they gave them, you know,
Speaker 1: from red wine, the equivalent of fifteen hundred bottles of
Speaker 1: red wine. So they don't want to practice this at home,
Speaker 1: but but it was amazing what they saw. These animals
Speaker 1: live longer and they got healthier even eating a bad diet.
Speaker 1: If you activate these longevity switches, it's so powerful. And
Speaker 1: the beautiful thing is that a lot of the plant
Speaker 1: foods that we can eat, the phytochemicals that are rich
Speaker 1: in this plant foods all activate these ancient longevity pathways
Speaker 1: like green tea or pomegranitor, or there's fairy tral from
Speaker 1: red grapes, and the list goes on. And so we
Speaker 1: have these ancient systems that we can play with. And
Speaker 1: so the book is really about how do we turn
Speaker 1: on the longevity switches, How do we activate those in
Speaker 1: the right way, How do we eat in a way
Speaker 1: to optimize each of those in the right time, It
Speaker 1: the right way. When I hear that in my head,
Speaker 1: I've I've become more close and clear about this because
Speaker 1: of my wife. So it comes back to me where
Speaker 1: it comes back to your point of view. Want the
Speaker 1: burgers And She's like, yeah, any day of the week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so I've been through this journey with her.
Speaker 1: We've been married for six years and together for ten,
Speaker 1: but for the six years that we've been married, she's
Speaker 1: been on this journey with me of helping me transform
Speaker 1: my diet and my habits. And I've felt all the
Speaker 1: benefits you're speaking about having gone on that journey, and
Speaker 1: I've also felt some of the shocks that my body's
Speaker 1: had in missing out on some of those things that
Speaker 1: it's used to. Like, my body loved bread like it
Speaker 1: still loves bread, like. It feels great when I eat bread.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking I'm not talking my gluten free bread.
Speaker 1: I'm talking my bread that has gluten in it. And
Speaker 1: but I know that gluten's yeah, can be massively inflammatory,
Speaker 1: especially for me as well from the test that I've done.
Speaker 1: But I find it really interesting that sometimes I can
Speaker 1: feel great eating things that are bad for me, but
Speaker 1: there's something happening inside that I'm not aware. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: sugar is a drug. Bread's a drug. I mean, in fact,
Speaker 1: you might not know this, but one of the things
Speaker 1: that happens when you eat bread in you're consuming gluten
Speaker 1: is that the gluten gets partially broken down into these
Speaker 1: things called ludomorphins, which actually are like morphine, and they
Speaker 1: bind the receptors in your brain that make you feel good. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: heroin makes you feel great, that doesn't mean it's good
Speaker 1: for you, right, And so it's very addictive. And it also,
Speaker 1: you know, gives you a jolt of sugar and adrenaline.
Speaker 1: So when you eat sugar, you get a jolt of adrenaline. Literally,
Speaker 1: your your cortisol goes up, your adrenaline goes up, so
Speaker 1: it's like it's like being jacked up on steroids and adrenaline,
Speaker 1: which feels good for the moment, and then you crash. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Number four I wanted to talk about you talk about
Speaker 1: damage proteins, Yeah, and dysfunctional molecules. I think that was
Speaker 1: I think damage proteins is something we're not very well
Speaker 1: educated on. No, I think you know what happens is
Speaker 1: you know your your body has It's just it's just
Speaker 1: a miracle to me Ja that the body has this
Speaker 1: systems to handle things that go wrong and to repair
Speaker 1: things and clean up things. So we are constantly making proteins.
Speaker 1: People don't really realize this, But what did your DNA
Speaker 1: do right, your DNA, All it does is code for proteins.
Speaker 1: Proteins do all sorts of things, from build tissues your
Speaker 1: bustles and joints, to building your immune cells, to being
Speaker 1: communication systems. And small proteins like peptides, are messengers with
Speaker 1: eighty thousand that tell your body what to do and
Speaker 1: regulate all kinds of things from brain chemistry to hormones
Speaker 1: of sexual function, to metabolism to mitochondrial function. I mean,
Speaker 1: the list goes on. So proteins are so important, but
Speaker 1: as we age, those proteins can get damaged or they
Speaker 1: are injured, and they're misfolded and they're broken, and so
Speaker 1: the body has to one address this and too hopefully
Speaker 1: prevent you from making these. So one of the things
Speaker 1: that happens, for example, it's really dangerous, is when you
Speaker 1: eat sugar, it kind of binds with proteins in your
Speaker 1: body and it damages them and causes glycation, which is
Speaker 1: basically just the phenomena that that happens when you get
Speaker 1: a crispy chicken skin or crust on our bread or
Speaker 1: crambrulet and you get that like little crack. That's so good, right,
Speaker 1: We all have that stuff, but that that that reaction
Speaker 1: happens in your body and that and that creates what
Speaker 1: we call ages, advanced likeation end product which ages us
Speaker 1: and that binds two rages receptors for advanced likeation end products.
Speaker 1: So that rage literally aging and raging is what happens.
Speaker 1: So when you when you eat a lot of sugar
Speaker 1: and start, you're causing these damage proteins. So the measurement,
Speaker 1: for example, of your diabetes control we call hemoglomin a
Speaker 1: one C. That's a measure of damage proteins. That's sugar
Speaker 1: binding to hemoglobin and damaging it. And we can see
Speaker 1: that on a blood test. But this is happening throughout
Speaker 1: your body. And what's amazing is things like we talked
Speaker 1: about hormesis and these stresses like saunas. Saunas create heat
Speaker 1: shocked proteins which are actually repairing proteins or cleaning up proteins.
Speaker 1: When you have autophogy, which is we talked about, which
Speaker 1: is a self clean mechanism, you actually clean up these
Speaker 1: old proteins and you recycle them. So the body has
Speaker 1: a recycling system basically like takes up all these old
Speaker 1: damaged things glombs onto him like a pac man, digests them,
Speaker 1: breaks them down its component parts and says, okay, I
Speaker 1: got new parts. Let's make new proteins, and you start over.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. Actually, yeah, it's unbelievable. I've never I've
Speaker 1: never heard anyone say that before about how the body
Speaker 1: is a recycling mechanism. It does. It's amazing. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: that's what's so exciting to me is you know when
Speaker 1: I went to school, I in medical school. In their
Speaker 1: second year, we get a book called The Pathologic Basis
Speaker 1: of Disease, which is really great. It's like the foundational textbook.
Speaker 1: But I didn't get the Scientific Basis of Wellness textbook.
Speaker 1: I didn't learn anything about that. Like, so, how do
Speaker 1: you create health? You say to your doctor, I want
Speaker 1: you to treat decisions, Okay take this drug. If you
Speaker 1: say doctor, I want you to make me optimally healthy,
Speaker 1: and like, okay, well, eat better, exercise, take vitamins. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but like they don't have an answer, right,
Speaker 1: But it's scientific wellness. What is scientific wellness? Why? What
Speaker 1: is the science of creating health? That's what functional medicine is,
Speaker 1: and that's really what I've given people as an owner's
Speaker 1: manual for their body, how to detect what's wrong, what
Speaker 1: tests to do, how to find out what's how to
Speaker 1: balance and how to correct it, and how to optimize
Speaker 1: each of the systems in your body so you can
Speaker 1: create health. And what's really exciting is now we have
Speaker 1: a metric called a biological age clock that we can measure.
Speaker 1: So before we'd kind of say, oh, is this working
Speaker 1: or not? Maybe your blood works better, maybe your weight
Speaker 1: weights a better blood pressure is better, and that's are
Speaker 1: all in sort of indirect markers. But there is something
Speaker 1: that we now have discovered which is a biological clock,
Speaker 1: and it's measured by looking at little marks on your
Speaker 1: DNA that are called your epigenome. Now we all know
Speaker 1: what your genome is, which is your genes, and you
Speaker 1: got about twenty thousand genes. That's your DNA. That's not
Speaker 1: really changeable except through gene editating or whatever. But your
Speaker 1: epigenome and the genes are like the keyboard at a
Speaker 1: piano eighty eight keys. You can't change that, but you
Speaker 1: can play jazz, reacttime, Mozart, classical, whatever you want, blues.
Speaker 1: It's amazing right on the same keyboard. The same thing
Speaker 1: with the epigenome. The epigenome is the piano player, and
Speaker 1: that controls which genes are turned on or offer expressed.
Speaker 1: And your biological age is a sum total of every influence,
Speaker 1: every food you've eaten, every type of exercise you've done,
Speaker 1: every thought you have, every relationship have been in, all
Speaker 1: the talks you've been exposed to, washing over your DNA,
Speaker 1: creating these marks to determine your biological age. So I've
Speaker 1: done my biological agent. I'm sixty three, but biologically i'm
Speaker 1: forty three. That's unbelievable. Yeah, well it's really cool. I'm
Speaker 1: going for twenty five. I'm trying to get younger than
Speaker 1: you ja exactly. And I think, you know, we have
Speaker 1: so many technologies that allowing us to now do this
Speaker 1: that are even beyond the diet, exercise, and lifestyle stuff.
Speaker 1: So we now can measure the effective interventions on these
Speaker 1: things and check how we're doing through these epigenetic clocks.
Speaker 1: And our biological age doesn't have to match with and
Speaker 1: track with our chronological age. And now I was born
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, I can't change that. I can't
Speaker 1: be chronologically younger, but I can't be biologically younger even
Speaker 1: as I get chronologically older. And what's amazing is it
Speaker 1: doesn't take that much like I've seen studies. We're using
Speaker 1: a dietary intervention, which is an anti inflammatory whole foods diet,
Speaker 1: you know, some phytochemical support, and a little bit of
Speaker 1: exercise and lifestyle support. Within eight weeks, they were able
Speaker 1: to reverse biological age and this cohort of patience by
Speaker 1: three years. And what if they did it for a
Speaker 1: year you know, you know, so we have the ability
Speaker 1: to do this to measure it now. It's very exciting science. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's let's talk about some of the things that
Speaker 1: people are feeling today, because I think that's how we
Speaker 1: get in touch with our health, or we start. I
Speaker 1: think people who read this book are going to get
Speaker 1: that manual that you're talking about. I want to guide
Speaker 1: people to this book through things that we feel. So
Speaker 1: what's really interesting to me is how commonly people are
Speaker 1: experiencing brain fog today. Yeah, and I think as we
Speaker 1: experience brain fog, I don't think we often know what
Speaker 1: to do about it. We often also start going internal.
Speaker 1: This is also the same thing as connecting what you
Speaker 1: talk about in the book to our mental health. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the time when we're experiencing mental
Speaker 1: health challenges, we're trying to solve it through the mind,
Speaker 1: correct and I think that that's not working right. It's
Speaker 1: it's actually very difficult. And I recently had and I know,
Speaker 1: you know Mona Sharmawell who I work with NA works
Speaker 1: with me on my diet, on my plan and everything,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, she's a functional medicin nutritionist. Yes, and
Speaker 1: so we I did a vitamin detest and my vitamin
Speaker 1: D was ten yeah, yeah, right, yeah, that's like very
Speaker 1: and I'm still functioning doing everything I do on vitamin D.
Speaker 1: And she was just like most people who have that
Speaker 1: level that like have forms of depression, depression muscle eggs
Speaker 1: and I'm yeah, and I'm and I'm not having you know,
Speaker 1: the depressive aspect of that and so, which which was
Speaker 1: great for me. But my point being that there is
Speaker 1: this big connection between physical and mental health or like
Speaker 1: physical diet, sleep, energy levels and then impact. So talk
Speaker 1: to us a bit about that. So huge, Jay, you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's so much to work on
Speaker 1: on your biology. But I wrote a book probably a
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago now called The Ultramond Solution about how
Speaker 1: to fix your brain by fixing your body first. So
Speaker 1: you can meditate all you want, but if you're mercury poisoned,
Speaker 1: or your thow is not working, or your vitamin B
Speaker 1: twelve or vitamin D deficient, or your microbiomb's a mess,
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to achieve the goals you
Speaker 1: want to achieve. So set yourself up for dealing with
Speaker 1: your soul's evolution, with your spiritual growth, with healing your
Speaker 1: emotional life and trauma, by setting your body up to
Speaker 1: function better to help you, to help you right. And
Speaker 1: so you know it's you know, this book isn't about
Speaker 1: getting to one hundred and twenty. It's about how to
Speaker 1: activate these health switches, longevity switches to make you feel
Speaker 1: good now, because most people have what I call FLC syndrome,
Speaker 1: which is when you feel like crap right, And so
Speaker 1: people walk around with all sorts of symptoms and not
Speaker 1: realizing how good they can feel and how quickly they
Speaker 1: can feel good. And so by doing some of these practices,
Speaker 1: simply changing your diet and lifestyle changes people can experiment.
Speaker 1: Even ten days of it can have a profound effect.
Speaker 1: Now I do workshops around the world where I take
Speaker 1: people through a ten day or even a five or
Speaker 1: six day program and universally, within a week people have
Speaker 1: a seventy percent reduction and all symptoms from all diseases
Speaker 1: by simply cleaning up their diet and how many days
Speaker 1: five to seven days? Way do you do this? Well over,
Speaker 1: We're doing next one in Sardinia and April. You should come.
Speaker 1: You should come. It's a little boutique tour in April.
Speaker 1: When someone after that, I might do one in June
Speaker 1: in Abisa. Okay, cope, be great. Yeah, but you can
Speaker 1: teach them too, gonna, I'm gonna come with a face.
Speaker 1: You can read these some meditations. Yeah, yeah, I'm being serious. No, No,
Speaker 1: for sure, Oh that'd be so five. It's great and
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful there. So, so we have this ability
Speaker 1: to activate these these healing mechanisms through changing your diet
Speaker 1: and heal our mind. So there's an amazing psyche chiatrist
Speaker 1: who is at Harvard who wrote a book called Brain Energy,
Speaker 1: Christopher Palmer, who's just brilliant, and he basically was a
Speaker 1: traditional Harvard psychiatrist who had a patient with schizophrenic and
Speaker 1: I was schizophrenia is one of those conditions. It's not
Speaker 1: like you know, people's anxiety or depressed or it's like emotional.
Speaker 1: This is like a pretty serious mental disorder, right, and
Speaker 1: we think it's not changeable. And he on the medications
Speaker 1: gained a huge amount of weight, which a lot of
Speaker 1: the psychotic medic anti psychotic medications caused weight ging. And
Speaker 1: he a guy would just hide in his room all
Speaker 1: day and I'll come out and only see the psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: And he said, I want to lose weight. And the
Speaker 1: psychiatrist knew he wouldn't go to anybody else, so he said,
Speaker 1: why don't you try a ketogenic diet because I heard
Speaker 1: it it really works and maybe it'll help you know,
Speaker 1: And he did it and it schizophrenia went away. Wow.
Speaker 1: And the psychiatrist like, what's going on in the metabolic
Speaker 1: function of the brain that's affecting the mind? Right, The
Speaker 1: brain in the mind are not the same thing, but
Speaker 1: the brain function influenced the function of your mind. And
Speaker 1: so by healing the brain, you can then start to
Speaker 1: really deal with your stuff with your mind. It's not
Speaker 1: going to fix your thinking overnight or your mindset and
Speaker 1: all the things you need to work on, but it'll
Speaker 1: allow you the ability to do it so much better,
Speaker 1: and it might even change your thinking, It might even
Speaker 1: change depressive thoughts, anxiety. You know a lot of even
Speaker 1: panic attacks can be caused by fluctuations in blood sugar,
Speaker 1: you know, which I've seen patients. So I'm so excited
Speaker 1: you ask that question because we have such a mental
Speaker 1: health crisis in this country, and we know from dietary
Speaker 1: studies where they've looked at traditional diets like the set
Speaker 1: we call it the Sad diet, the standard American diet,
Speaker 1: which makes us sad actually, and they swapped out that
Speaker 1: for whole foods, you know, basically a Mediterranean kind of diet.
Speaker 1: And it was a very large study. It was a
Speaker 1: clinical trial, a randomized control trial, and it was a
Speaker 1: better at treating depression than almost anything else. I want
Speaker 1: to call it the Glad diet. And we've seen in
Speaker 1: these studies like I mentioned, in prisons and other places
Speaker 1: where people giving a whole foods diet will dramatically reduce
Speaker 1: their violent behavior or their mood will improve. And so
Speaker 1: these foods that we're eating are inflaming our brain, They're
Speaker 1: inflaming our emotions, are inflaming our minds, and depression is
Speaker 1: an inflammatory disease of the brain. Autism is an inflammatory
Speaker 1: disease the brain. Adds an inflammatory disease the brain, Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1: All these things are brain inflammation, and how is this
Speaker 1: inflammation being caused primarily through our diet and lifestyle in toxins.
Speaker 1: So it's a totally fixable problem. Yeah, I mean, listening
Speaker 1: to you, it gives me a lot of hope in that,
Speaker 1: you know, anyone who's listening to us today and goes
Speaker 1: and grabs a copy of the book Younger Forever The
Speaker 1: Secrets to Living Your Longest, Healthiest Life, which I highly
Speaker 1: rarely recommend. Will put the link to the book in
Speaker 1: the notes and the caption. As we're having this discussion,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a great sense of confidence. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I have these conversations as well is because they
Speaker 1: remind me of why I'm trying to have a clean
Speaker 1: diet and why I'm trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1: And I think it's so important to strengthen that. Why
Speaker 1: totally because it just becomes so easy to go back
Speaker 1: to our you know, obvious habits so quickly. But I
Speaker 1: think the challenge is that for so long we've been
Speaker 1: trying to deal with our health in silos. So if
Speaker 1: we have a mental health challenge, we try and deal
Speaker 1: just with our mind. Yeah, And if we have a
Speaker 1: physical health challenge, we try and just deal with our body.
Speaker 1: And we don't realize that they're so interconnected. They're not separate.
Speaker 1: There's no mind, body, body minds. It's one thing. It's
Speaker 1: all one thing, and try to separate out doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. And so medicine is really bifurcated psychiatry and
Speaker 1: the rest of medicine, And it just doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to me. And when I call myself the accidental psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: because I basically wasn't treating people's mental disorders, but I
Speaker 1: was treating their physical health. And I saw their brains
Speaker 1: get better and their mind get better, and their mood
Speaker 1: get better, and bi polar disease go always because sophrenia
Speaker 1: get better, autism get better, add get better, depression get better.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on here? And blew my mind?
Speaker 1: Did you give us a few examples of those were
Speaker 1: people that you worked with in those spaces, Because I
Speaker 1: think that's something we don't hear about as much like
Speaker 1: I think we hear a lot today about when people
Speaker 1: are struggling with those things, they're going to therapy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're not doing. One patient who you know, was
Speaker 1: just severely depressed and was struggling for years and years
Speaker 1: and and you know, I found out she had mercury poisoning,
Speaker 1: and we got the mercury out of her system and
Speaker 1: she got better. There was a patient who in a
Speaker 1: patient of mine. It was someone who was part of
Speaker 1: the Daniel Plan, this faith basedball in this program I mentioned,
Speaker 1: who came up to me after the six week part
Speaker 1: of the program we started. In six weeks later, we
Speaker 1: had another rally and gathering in Doctor Hyman. I don't
Speaker 1: get it, like I've been in and out a psychiatric
Speaker 1: hospital in my whole life. I've been in every psychiatric medication.
Speaker 1: I'm about to get divorced, am about to lose my job.
Speaker 1: I'm just struggling so much. And I changed my diet
Speaker 1: and in three days it all went away, and I
Speaker 1: feel so good. Now. Is that possible? I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible. It happened to you, so it's clearly possible.
Speaker 1: So people don't realize how quickly we can see these
Speaker 1: change and so that was really remarkable. I had a
Speaker 1: kid with add who was just so out of control
Speaker 1: and his behavior. You couldnt pay attention, he couldn't focus.
Speaker 1: He was kicked out of kindergarten. If you can imagine
Speaker 1: being that bad, being kicked out a kundergarten, you know.
Speaker 1: But he had all these other health issues. He had asthma,
Speaker 1: and he had rollaboll and he had all these headaches
Speaker 1: and cramps, and so I basically treated his biology. Turned
Speaker 1: out he had a leaky gut and food sensitivities and
Speaker 1: lead toxas city and he ated total junk food diets.
Speaker 1: We have so nutrition to fishing and omega threes and
Speaker 1: zinc and magnesium, be vitamins, and so we just fixed
Speaker 1: all that. We just cleaned up his gut. We gave
Speaker 1: him good food, we gave him good nutrients. Two months later,
Speaker 1: it came back and all of the sims were gone physically,
Speaker 1: and all of his mental sims were gone. And his handwriting,
Speaker 1: which we can show in the in the in the
Speaker 1: show notes and on the video, that his handwriting went
Speaker 1: from being illegible at twelve years old to being perfect penmanship.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because I gave him handwriting lessons. It
Speaker 1: was because his brain went from completely chaotic and disorganized
Speaker 1: to completely coherent and functional. Yeah, I hope everyone was
Speaker 1: listening to this. If you're struggling with anything based on
Speaker 1: your mental health, your brain health, I hope that you're
Speaker 1: also going to take some time out to research on
Speaker 1: your diet to of course read this book, because I
Speaker 1: just want people to make that connection quicker. And I
Speaker 1: spend years doing the opposite, Mark Lake, And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated about all the work you do, because
Speaker 1: I spent years and I got to a place where
Speaker 1: I had mastered my mind, but my body was just
Speaker 1: not catching up right, And so I could take care
Speaker 1: of my thoughts and my emotions and my feelings, but
Speaker 1: my body couldn't match that pace. And so I've kind
Speaker 1: of come the other way. It's great And hey, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You talk to us about and again we're only doing
Speaker 1: a very high level of the book because I want
Speaker 1: people to get a sense of some of the depth
Speaker 1: of what you talk about in this book. Could you
Speaker 1: explain to us again at that top level, what the
Speaker 1: seven core biological systems are? Yeah, so this is a
Speaker 1: really important Jay. So like I said, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the laws of biology, what's the mind of God?
Speaker 1: And right now we're going to going to revolution in
Speaker 1: medicine that's as big as anything has ever happened in history.
Speaker 1: You know, from the discovery of the germ. It's remarkable
Speaker 1: how we're now understanding the body as an ecosystem. This
Speaker 1: is called systems biology or functional medicine is the clinical
Speaker 1: model that applies us. And so the hallmarks of aging
Speaker 1: are what these emerging scientists and Lungevi you're talking about
Speaker 1: that go wrong with aging, But what is causing them
Speaker 1: is what functional medicine is really good at figuring out.
Speaker 1: And what happens is that these seven core systems in
Speaker 1: the body that go wrong, they get out of balance,
Speaker 1: just like in Arubata they have the docious you know,
Speaker 1: or in Chinese medicine they have the five elements, or
Speaker 1: we have the en yang, and we have the imbalances
Speaker 1: and deficiencies or excesses. And this is exactly how the
Speaker 1: body works. These ancient technologies from thousands of years ago
Speaker 1: figured it out. We just now we're putting scientific language
Speaker 1: on it and understanding and so there's instead of one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five thousand diseases. There's these disturbances in
Speaker 1: these core systems, many of which are also the hallmarks
Speaker 1: of aging, like your microbiome, your immune system, how you
Speaker 1: make energy, your mitochondria, your detox system, how you get
Speaker 1: rid of toxins, your transport system. I move things around
Speaker 1: in your body, and your circulation and limps or some
Speaker 1: communication systems, which is your hormones, your transmitters, your peptides,
Speaker 1: all the millions of chemical reactions that happen all the
Speaker 1: time and have to be coordinated. And your structural system
Speaker 1: from your biomechanical structure and your skeleton to your sub
Speaker 1: cellular structures. All of those systems have to be in
Speaker 1: balance for you to be healthy. So, as a functional
Speaker 1: medicine doctor, as a systems thinker, I look at how
Speaker 1: do we find out why they're out of balance? How
Speaker 1: do we take out this stuff that's causing in balance
Speaker 1: and put back the stuff that's creating balance. So let's
Speaker 1: say they gut for example, Well, you might have food sensitivities,
Speaker 1: you might have bad bugs growing in your guts, so
Speaker 1: you got to remove those things. You got to remove
Speaker 1: those foods like luten or dairy and you got to
Speaker 1: get rid of you know, the bad bugs that are
Speaker 1: growing in the gut. Maybe you need some herbs or
Speaker 1: even an anty fungal or in antibiotic. And then how
Speaker 1: do you repair that? How do you give the gut
Speaker 1: what it needs? You need probotics and probotics and polyphenols,
Speaker 1: and you need the right nutrients like zinc and vitamin
Speaker 1: A and and I'll make it three fasts to help
Speaker 1: the gut heal and glue to mean, so we know
Speaker 1: what the ingredients are for each take out and put in,
Speaker 1: and so we apply that to each thing, including the
Speaker 1: immune system. I mean. One of the most shocking things
Speaker 1: to me we're in COVID was that we are about
Speaker 1: four percent of the world's population in America, and we
Speaker 1: have an extraordinary healthcare system and spend twice as much
Speaker 1: as any other developed nation, and we were sixteen percent
Speaker 1: of the cases of COVID and deaths, So four percent
Speaker 1: of population in the world, four times as many death
Speaker 1: as we probably should have had, and we probably should
Speaker 1: be even less than the rest of the world because
Speaker 1: of our healthcare system. Why was that? It's because our
Speaker 1: diet is so bad that we're pre inflamed so when
Speaker 1: COVID came, it was like throwing gas on the fire.
Speaker 1: And we were pre inflamed because we were obese, which
Speaker 1: were chronically ill because we have all these diseases of inflammation,
Speaker 1: and so that's really why it was. It was sort
Speaker 1: of shocking to me that that, you know, nobody has
Speaker 1: talked about this, and yeah, we have the power to
Speaker 1: regulate our immune systems by what we're eating. Sugar suppresses
Speaker 1: your immune system, you know, helping overweight suppresses your immune
Speaker 1: system even in the response to vaccines. If you're overweight
Speaker 1: or you're elderly, because you're inflamed, your immune system doesn't
Speaker 1: respond to vaccines. I think everyone's experiencing a low immunity,
Speaker 1: you know, in general as well, because of all these
Speaker 1: factors that you've talked about today as well. And I
Speaker 1: just want everyone to see. I want to point this
Speaker 1: out for everyone who's watching the show. If you're listening,
Speaker 1: then I'm explaining what I'm doing. I just want to
Speaker 1: show this to everyone who's watching, because you can actually
Speaker 1: see how the book breaks down. The Young Forever program,
Speaker 1: which is the program that Mark recommends in the book
Speaker 1: Young Forever, and what I love about it is that
Speaker 1: as you're flicking through this book, you're just going to
Speaker 1: see a very systematic and formulaic breakdown of the system.
Speaker 1: It's not just it's a how to manual for how
Speaker 1: your body works. So yes, yes, you didn't get born
Speaker 1: with that instruction manual. This is a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to point that out to everyone who's sitting
Speaker 1: there going like me. Often I can get you know,
Speaker 1: I can often start thinking, well, this is a lot
Speaker 1: of information. I don't know enough where do I start,
Speaker 1: what do I do? But the book, to me, it
Speaker 1: does a great job. I'd simplifying it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the book is really three parts. The first is the why,
Speaker 1: like why are we aging? What's going on? A little
Speaker 1: bit of science geeky. If you don't like any of that,
Speaker 1: you can skip it. But I like to know why.
Speaker 1: And then there's the what, like there's the what to do,
Speaker 1: and then there's the how to do it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it really is is really you know, I'm a doctor.
Speaker 1: I take care of patience and so I get results
Speaker 1: by giving people a programmatic plan to follow. So this
Speaker 1: is what I've been doing for thirty years, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of great longevity books out there,
Speaker 1: but they're often by academics and I've learned so much
Speaker 1: from them, but they but they're like, well what do
Speaker 1: I do? How do how do I what do I
Speaker 1: have to do? Exactly? But this breaks it down exactly,
Speaker 1: even day by day and what you can do? Yeah, Mark,
Speaker 1: is this someone that you've worked with that was so
Speaker 1: negative and felt that they were too late to solve
Speaker 1: their challenges, but you were able to find some change
Speaker 1: in them? Could you tell us about Yes, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know one of the most remarkable patients that had
Speaker 1: and she was part of a group program. We had
Speaker 1: a Cleveland clinic called Functioning for Life, which used the
Speaker 1: powerful community to help people change behavior. And she was
Speaker 1: a woman who was allowed to go on her way out.
Speaker 1: She was sixty six years old. She had typed to
Speaker 1: diabetes for ten years. She had heart failure, she had
Speaker 1: kidneys who were failing, liver was failing and fatty. She
Speaker 1: had high blood pressure if she's in a pile of
Speaker 1: hills that her copay was twenty thousand, who knows what
Speaker 1: she was costing the healthcare system and not out of
Speaker 1: the hospital. Her body mass index was forty three, which
Speaker 1: is severely obese, you know, twenty five or less. It's
Speaker 1: normal thirties, obese forties, just like next level, right, And
Speaker 1: she came to the program which she changed her diet.
Speaker 1: She was a fairly educated woman, but she and it
Speaker 1: was a minister in her congregation, but she really grew
Speaker 1: up in a family that never ate real food. So
Speaker 1: everything came from a box, a package you can highly process.
Speaker 1: And that's just what she did for her whole life.
Speaker 1: At sixty six years old, and she was on her
Speaker 1: way to a hard transplant and a kidney transplant. And
Speaker 1: you think, go from a traditional doctor point of view, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't really do anything about that. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can manage these diseases and make make her live
Speaker 1: a little longer and make her quality vife a little better.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, no way, I don't want to manage disease.
Speaker 1: I want to get rid of it. So we put
Speaker 1: her on a diet. It's a very anti inflammatory diet.
Speaker 1: It's whole foods, plant rich, lots of good fats. We
Speaker 1: didn't even get her moving or exercising in the beating
Speaker 1: because it's hard when you're that big to move. But
Speaker 1: just change your food, maybe a few supplements, not a lot,
Speaker 1: vitamin D fistrel multi vitamin. In three days, she was
Speaker 1: off for insulin. In three months, she reversed. Everyone in
Speaker 1: her disease is objectively by you know, traditional conventional medicine,
Speaker 1: bio markers, or heart failure reversed, her kidney's normalized, or
Speaker 1: liver normalized, or high blood pressure normalized. Her diabetes or
Speaker 1: blood sugar went from a once went from eleven, which
Speaker 1: is like probably should be in the hospital level of
Speaker 1: blood sugar three four hundred to like five point five,
Speaker 1: which is actually perfectly normal. She lost forty three pounds
Speaker 1: in the year, she lost one hundred and sixteen pounds.
Speaker 1: And I've got the pictures that before and after I'll
Speaker 1: share with you. It's really remarkable. I had, Holy cow.
Speaker 1: You know, there is no drug on the planet that
Speaker 1: works as well as food. I mean, if I could
Speaker 1: give her a pill to verse all diseases. As a doctor,
Speaker 1: I'd write that prescription all day long. I'm agnostic when
Speaker 1: it comes to the therapy. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: exercise or exorcism, whatever a patient needs, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it. And so I'm like, Wow, this is such,
Speaker 1: this is such an eye opener for so many people
Speaker 1: to see it's possible. You know, another patient with kidneys,
Speaker 1: we're failing and we did this whole program and he
Speaker 1: went to see his neprologist and think I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I've never seen a kidney fail
Speaker 1: you reverse? What are you doing? And he couldn't believe it,
Speaker 1: because doctors don't get trained to do this, so they
Speaker 1: don't see it, so they don't believe it. They goes, well,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence for this, Well, maybe you haven't looked,
Speaker 1: because there is plenty of evidence even though there's so
Speaker 1: much evidence on lifestyle and diet. Do we pay for
Speaker 1: food is medicine? No? Yeah? And it is the most
Speaker 1: powerful drug. Yeah. Well, I hope that gives anyone who's
Speaker 1: listening and watching a sense of confidence as well, that
Speaker 1: you know, no matter how far you think you are,
Speaker 1: I'm any challenges you're going through right now now that
Speaker 1: hopefully this can at least be another alternative option to
Speaker 1: try completely if you haven't tried it already. It's so needed. Mark.
Speaker 1: We end every episode with a final five, which are
Speaker 1: a fast five, so every ancet to be given in
Speaker 1: one word to one sentence maximum. Okay, got it, and
Speaker 1: so Mark, these are your final five. Question one, what's
Speaker 1: the best health advice or diet advice you've ever received?
Speaker 1: It's probably Michael Pollan's eat food, not too much, mostly plants.
Speaker 1: It's just so simple, so clear, and it needs to
Speaker 1: be defined like eat food, what food, real food, whole food,
Speaker 1: you know, But yeah, yeah, I love it. A second question,
Speaker 1: what's the worst advice you've ever heard? Health advice you've
Speaker 1: ever heard received? Or give? God? Eat a high carb
Speaker 1: diet six to eleven servings of bread, rice, serumpasta day
Speaker 1: to save your life, which has caused more deaths and
Speaker 1: more disease than almost anything in history. Which is a
Speaker 1: government's food pyramid in nineteen ninety two. And that's so
Speaker 1: common in all meals today. Oh it's terrible. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: still we're still yeah, we're still promoting that stuff. It's
Speaker 1: not great. Question number three, what's something that you used
Speaker 1: to think was true about health but now you've changed
Speaker 1: your mind about it? I think I used to believe
Speaker 1: this is a very controversial topic, which was must healthier
Speaker 1: to be a vegan or vegetarian. And I think as
Speaker 1: I've sort of gotten understand the science and the biology
Speaker 1: of longevity that we need adequate protein as we get older,
Speaker 1: and if we don't eat enough, we can't make muscle
Speaker 1: and muscle as the currency of aging. So I think
Speaker 1: it's eating the right stuff. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: if people have a moral issue with animals, we can
Speaker 1: work around it. But I think from a health perspective,
Speaker 1: eating regenerally raised animals that are well cared for, that
Speaker 1: are humanely raised, that regenerate ecosystems, increased biodiversity, reverse climate change,
Speaker 1: and create nutrient dense food is really a big shift
Speaker 1: for me from being a vegan vegetarian to kind of
Speaker 1: see what happened when I did that. Amazing. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that answer, and I'll pick your brain about that
Speaker 1: health please. Question number four, what's the small less change
Speaker 1: someone can make today to experience some positive impact in
Speaker 1: their way they feel. I think it's do one small thing.
Speaker 1: You know, when they say floss one tooth, ye, do
Speaker 1: one push up tomorrow, dude too. So start with small things.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know, maybe you're drinking twelve cokes
Speaker 1: ad egg, go to eleven and go to ten. You
Speaker 1: do one small thing to improve your health and then
Speaker 1: that will build over time absolutely. And fifth and final question,
Speaker 1: if you could create one law that everyone in the
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be. Oh, that's easy.
Speaker 1: I would I would make a law they would make
Speaker 1: food quality, and that I can define what that is
Speaker 1: the most important determinant of all of our food policies
Speaker 1: and all of our agriculture, the most nutrient dense, whole,
Speaker 1: real food we should be promoting and subsidizing and growing.
Speaker 1: I love that. That would be powerful. I mean, that'd
Speaker 1: be so useful. Yeah, solve so many problems. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's you've talked about that in your previous book. I
Speaker 1: remember we discussed it, like just how much could change
Speaker 1: at a systemic level to transform the healthcare of the world. Well,
Speaker 1: thinking about all the things we talked about, from the
Speaker 1: mental health issues to the physical health issues, to the
Speaker 1: cost of society to damage the environment, it's all driven
Speaker 1: by the production of ultra process food and the dissemination
Speaker 1: of it and the eating of it, which is sixty
Speaker 1: to seventy percent of our calories. That has got to stop.
Speaker 1: It's just it's crushing us with the weight of that,
Speaker 1: the figurative and literal weight of that. Absolutely everyone the
Speaker 1: book is called Young Forever by Mark Kyman, The Secrets
Speaker 1: to living your longest, healthiest life with a step by
Speaker 1: step program to reverse disease, ease pain, and renew energy.
Speaker 1: Make sure you go and grab a copy of this book,
Speaker 1: order it right now. I highly recommend deeply reading this
Speaker 1: with a group. If you can get together with a
Speaker 1: bunch of friends as Mark was talking about, and to
Speaker 1: read this together and to support each other, maybe you're
Speaker 1: going to take a chap to reach and help teach
Speaker 1: each other. I just feel that when health becomes this
Speaker 1: collective responsibility in a community, it becomes a lot easier
Speaker 1: when we feel we're learning with each other, from each
Speaker 1: other and growing together as opposed to when we're trying
Speaker 1: to do it ourselves. So my recommendation is go and
Speaker 1: make this your book club pick. Go and follow doctor
Speaker 1: Mark Hyman on Instagram and across social media if you
Speaker 1: don't already, and tag me and Mark with what you're testing,
Speaker 1: what you're experimenting with, what in the book is resonating
Speaker 1: with you, makes you take pictures, tag us both, share
Speaker 1: it with us because I love seeing the changes you're
Speaker 1: making based on these conversations. Mark, any final words, any
Speaker 1: last thoughts you want to share with us. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that you just said it all day. I think
Speaker 1: that the beauty is that people are just a few
Speaker 1: short days away from feeling better. It's not about living
Speaker 1: to one hundred and twenty. It's about feeling good now.
Speaker 1: This is not about a hedonistic, narcissistic pursuit of longevity.
Speaker 1: It's about optimizing your health and well being so you
Speaker 1: can show up in the world and love better, and
Speaker 1: serve better, and be better and add value to the
Speaker 1: world and add your contribution to the world and not
Speaker 1: be caught in a spiral of dysfunction and disease that
Speaker 1: makes us kind of retreat from being part of the
Speaker 1: larger community of humanity. That's beautiful, Mark, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for doing the work you do. Thank you for
Speaker 1: showing up as you do. And I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: join you hopefully next year. We need to plan that out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the day being very serious, but I'm
Speaker 1: very excited. And during twelve to nineteenth and a Bisa
Speaker 1: at six senses and you can all come if you want.
Speaker 1: We'll not all of you. I think it's only room
Speaker 1: for forty five. But you know, I love it. Mark,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for this and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to have you back on the show again. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much.