WEBVTT - Your RV or Mine? with Tracy Shapoff 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:10.639 Hell I Suck At Dating with Deben Radio podcast. Hello everyone, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.480 welcome to a new episode of Help I Suck At Dating. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.200 My name is Jared Haben. I'm in studio with Easton 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.560 Tory Dean. I think currently just parked uh the van, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.320 so he's right outside the building. He's crushing his way 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.880 towards the studio as we speak. We asked you last 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.240 week to send us emails, d m s and ask 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.920 us questions on Instagram. We did not have a chance 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.880 to get to it, but we are answering them today. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.239 Like I said, Dean will be here shortly, and we 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.440 also have a very special guest in studio sitting right 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.480 next to me. You know her from season twenty three 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:49.280 of The Bachelor with Colton Underwood. It is Tracy sheep Off. Yeah, 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.960 right of applause, everybody, I said to your last name, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.040 correct right chop off? Okay, great, how you doing, Tracy? 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.120 Welcome to Help I Suck At Dating? Yeah, thanks for 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.240 having me. I'm excited. I can't wait to talk about 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.840 some dating. I know we're Do you know a thing 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.800 or two about dating? Well, you did on reality TV, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:06.920 so you definitely are. I don't know if you want 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.160 to call that dating. But sure, well I guess right 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:10.880 if Dean and I did it and I'm married and 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.680 he's in a relationship and we both still suck at dating, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.320 so maybe something's wrong with that. Um So how are you? 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.640 What's what's new house things with you since being off 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.080 the Bachelor? Um, it's good. You know, just kind of 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.080 went back to my my life doing styling. And you're 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.160 out here in l A right now. Right, I've been 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.840 out here for a little over four years, so just 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.280 celebrity styling, working in the industry, and this is your 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.759 busy time of year, right is the busiest time of year. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.880 It's awards season. So I kind of been working every 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.360 single day since what feels like the beginning of time? Yeah, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:46.759 since at least the beginning, But you've been working seven 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.360 days a week, so that does feel like the beginning 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.320 of time. Um. So what got you into fashion? Um? Honestly, 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.080 as far back as I can remember, my grandmother on 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.120 my mom's side, she was this amazing designer and seamstress, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.920 and I just kind of had a knock for it 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.160 that I loved. I went to college for design and 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.560 got into corporate fashion right afterwards in New York, city 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.519 for close to a decade and then decided I wanted 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.359 to get into styling and moved out here for a chain. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.400 So now that you're a stylist, do you judge everybody 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.919 on their wardrobe? Like? Are you judging me from what 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.320 I'm wearing right now? I think I actually just brought 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.240 brand new Nike sneakers that I actually meant to compliment 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.800 you on it. Was it a compliment? Or do I 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.280 look like really white right now from wearing these things? Yeah? Great? 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.720 It was honestly just searching for a bunch of Nikes 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.040 for a client yesterday. So I was looking at so 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.320 many sneakers yesterday. Do you think they go well with 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.920 the jeans I'm wearing. I'm wearing blue jeans. I do. Actually, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.799 I think I think you look real put together. I'm 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.520 stepping up my game. Speaking of put together, we have 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.480 another beautiful guest that just joined us in studio on 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.320 two crutches. It is Dean, Uncle, Ladies and John. I've 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.080 interjected real quick, Tacy, I know and value your opinion 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.480 on all things fashion, but something about air Force ones 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.280 and a pair of jeans, I just don't really approve 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.320 of it. What would I wear them with them with 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.040 I think that they're just too big and bulky. In 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.520 my personal they're strapped up though. This one is I'm 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.800 I'm like a lowkey, I'm like a minimalist guy, so 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.240 I think like bands, that's why you only wear sandals 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:16.240 and sandals And obviously don't take my fashion advance because 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.120 look what I wear on I mean, he's wearing sandals 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.040 right now, Purple shorts, a black teeth. Look how many 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.720 pockets I have in these shorts. That's a lot of 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.119 popular place on these things. I don't know. I've never 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:26.600 been a fan of the air Force one, so that's 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.200 just my personal taste. How do we feel about pockets 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.200 on the side of shorts like Dean's wearing right now, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.600 Let's just be clear, They're not on the side of shot. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.400 They're kind of like they're on the front. It's like 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.120 a like the front side their cargo shorts. Yeah, cargoes 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.560 are having a moment, right, Yeah they are. They're coming back. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.760 They are. Neither of you are wrong. See, I feel 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.080 like I'm always five years behind the new fashion trends 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.720 because in my head, I'm like, oh, cargo shorts, that's 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.800 what I wore on seventeen. I don't wear those anymore, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.560 but now they're making a comeback. You say are making 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.720 a comeback. They're making a comeback. And just to be clearly, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.920 there are no normal cargo shorts. These are some nice 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.920 pastel purplet your egg color with velcrow pockets. I got 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.920 a zipper pocket on my right quad over here, things, 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.600 so many different things for someone that needs help carrying 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.600 things because I'm unable to. These cargo shorts are lifesavers. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.520 Fashion well, Tracy, tell me, seeing how you are a 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.400 stylist and this is a dating podcast, what do you 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.640 think is a good outfit for first date? Okay, so 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.159 this is tricky. I think let's do women first and 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.080 then Okay, so there's no right answer to this because 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.640 my personal opinion, you should always wear exactly what feels 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.560 like you do, not dress for what you think that 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.679 the person is going to want to see. My personal 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.840 go to is a pair of leather pants and usually 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.680 like a white tea like what I'm wearing, or white 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.400 tank to it. And honestly, usually guys always make a 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:50.160 comment about the leather pants, but not a comment Jared, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.400 what would the comment be? They would look very nice? 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.200 They usually touched them and they're like, are these I'm 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.080 sorry they touched them the first date? Is it real 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:04.599 or foe? Oh good, that's good. I have a fail 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.480 other pants, I'll say it. Yeah. How do you feel 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.280 about a guy touching your pants on the first date? 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.760 It depends on it. If I like that. How far 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.520 into the date they do they usually touch them? Mm hmm, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.960 first like quarter of the date, first quarters going well, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.400 if you got a leather pant touch in the first 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.520 quarter of the date, that's going that's a good that's 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.560 the second date of material, right. See what I did 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.279 on first dates. I would never s first. I would 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.040 wait until they touched me. They liked me, how I 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.000 knew that if like they were if like the day 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.919 was going well and they were talking to me and 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.880 there was a moment of laughter and they reached out 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.320 their hand and like tap my arm or something, I 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.000 was like yeah, And then it's kind of cowardly though, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.880 you know, like what out like in middle school when 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:43.640 when the guys are standing on one side and the 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.320 girls are stand on the other side, and everyone's waiting 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.960 for the other person to make the first move. Granted, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.119 I had to say I was on what I didn't 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.560 know it was a date, but it was like a 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.760 work dinner and the guy came over in sort of 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.440 massaging my neck on the way to the bathroom, and 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.080 that was unwarranted. So you should maybe sometimes wait until 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.559 someone touches exactly, because the line between uh being having 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.680 swag and being creepy is pretty gray for a guy, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.080 I think, did you really just say swag? Is that again? 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.839 My five years behind that term? You are so lucky 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.200 you're married because you don't have to date anyone any 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.520 What would you say not swag? What would you say? 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.360 Enlighten me? What do you guys say? Tracy? Are you 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.440 you could be honest? You have to take a side 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.440 right now. Yeah, I'm not going to say, haven't just 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.440 remember who was on time? I haven't. I've definitely thrown 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.120 out the word swag before, but it's not like a 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.880 word I normally go okay, okay, it's like a special 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.320 special time. So when you see a guy, for example, Dean, right, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.680 Dean walks around with a presence, he's good looking, he's charming. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.000 What would you describe Dean as not he has swag? Well, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.880 first and foremost, there are no words that can describe 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.160 what I have here indescribable. No word reaches the level 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.960 of what can be possibly describe. Just I just think 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.360 has a thirty year old man. We should maybe drop 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.000 the words swag thread one by the way, thank you 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.679 very much. Wait, I'm confused right now, so you wouldn't. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.520 I'm truly confused. We don't describe, we don't use swag anymore. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.080 That's the thing of a relic of the past. I 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.600 think it's been out for a while. Man, it's a 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.760 very small window where it was like acceptable to say, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.720 and you were probably twenty two and drinking four local 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.400 in college. Can I say one thing that makes me 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.200 this conversation makes me so happy about and you're gonna 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.880 laugh so hard. But in the original Superman, Clark Kent 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.240 says swell and Lois Lane makes fun of him for 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.560 it because she's like swell. A lot of people don't 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.800 use that word anymore. So I feel like Clark Kent, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.320 thank you, guys. I appreciate it, even though I still 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.200 don't understand swag is I feel like a very common 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.320 term anyway? Moving on, what about a good first day 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:52.640 outfit for a man? Tracy Ones flip flops obviously purple 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.600 cargo shots and a black tea leather pants. Again little 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.520 this on the first day, there's no question, and the 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:06.200 girl would love it. Like a good black jean, like 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.480 a nice bitted black jean, and maybe like a black shirt, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.200 white shirt, something that's kind of simple in a cool 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.440 pair of cool pair of shoes. Yeah, there's no reason 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.760 to like bust out of blazer, I throw out St. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.680 Laurent shoes. But that seems rude and unnecessary to tell 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.960 everyone that they need to do that. It seems expensive. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.520 So have you Have you ever been on a date 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.160 with someone that wasn't up to code in terms of 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.720 style and then you're kind of like turned, like put 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.640 off by it a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, are you like, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.400 are you like hyper aware of it because of your career? 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.400 I am, and more so I was saying this shared earlier, like, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.599 you know, I have this idea in my head that 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.880 the person that I want to be with has a 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.680 slight interest in fashion, because that's a huge part of 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.439 my life and it's something that I found over dating 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.480 over the years. I can connect with guys on if 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.600 they like fashion and I like how they dress, and 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.280 that's an easier that's one more like thing I don't 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.240 have to overcome with them. But at the same time, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.320 I mean, it's not that big of a deal, but 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.319 I'm definitely not going to date someone who looks like 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.000 they rolled out of like a dumpster. Can you give 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.720 us your worst experience with like a first date or something? 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.040 Was a guy that just wore something atrocious And granted, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.160 I'm sure regardless of who it is that he goes 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.400 on a date with, like, if you're wearing something atrocious, 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.200 whether you're a stylist or whatever else you could be, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.880 it's like, what are you doing? Aunt? I actually can't 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.680 recall anyone I've got on a dately that was dressed atrociously, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.680 at least not that I can remember, right right, right, Well, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.280 that's probably a good thing, I think for guys. Uh 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.120 and Dean is an example of this. Oh here we go. Nope, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.760 I thought of it. I thought of it. Sorry, I 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.280 would have lost it if I had no, no, no no, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.800 no thought. Um okay, I was living back in New 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:51.760 York City. I met this guy. He's also very tall, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.080 mind you, like probably close to seven ft tall and 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.240 seven he was really probably like six seven, like a 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.560 Knicks player, probably said no. He had just graduated from 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.600 Harvard Business School. He started a men's fashion business randomly, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.400 and I showed up on the first date we had 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.280 met watching one of the playoffs. It was a basketball game, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.080 I can't remember. And um, show up to the first 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.040 day at his apartment and he is wearing American flag 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:26.280 printed shorts that looked like a bathing suit. And I 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.240 didn't know what to do, and I didn't know how 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.240 to get out of there as fast as humanly possible, 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.800 and where were you New York City? And like what 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.440 was the like the situation. I went to his apartment 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.800 to meet him, which also seemed kind of rude to 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.400 me because I think that the guy should come to 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.400 you on the first date, meet somewhere in the middle 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.319 of me. Yes, of course in New York, like you 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.000 should meet, especially on the first date. Never go to 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.960 the guy's apartment. Yeah, that's probably. I mean, I've definitely 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.240 made a few bad judgment calls in my time. That 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.199 was definitely, well, we're glad you're here. Everybody listening, don't 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.600 go to the guy's apartment first, dake. Um. Yeah, he 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.760 like opened the door and he was literally wearing a 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.360 man American flag shorts, and I was like, was he 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:07.240 wearing a shirt? You think so you don't remember them? 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.559 It was the honest, It sounds like he's straight off 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.520 of like like vin your Vines commercial, Like, yeah, you 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.199 know that Northeastern? Um? Yes, was he rang with cause shoes? 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.240 And he tried to make me help him move his 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.400 rug in his apartment because he had just my god, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.280 sounds like a kid. Did you get a second date 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.079 the end of the day? Deserve one? Definitely didn't deserve one. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.480 This sounds like something Dean would do. Like I can 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.680 imagine Klein coming over for the first day and be like, Hey, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.400 what's going on? Do you mind just helping me move 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.680 my couch really quickly? I'll be honest, it doesn't sound 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.600 like something that's beneath me. I probably have done something 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.200 like that in the past, but again, women would love 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.040 it to be like I would love nothing more than 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:51.640 to help Dean move his couch right now. No. Um so, Tracy, 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.240 obviously you were on season twenty three of The Bachelor. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.040 What made you want to go on The Bachelor in 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.200 the first place? Um, I had never watched the show before. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.240 To be perfectly honest, did a friends on you up. No, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.600 I signed myself up. I was sitting at home one day. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.520 I think it was just like doing answering emails and 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.560 started getting into a rabbit hole of reality television. UM 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.760 castingans on websites randomly and saw The Bachelor and I 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.120 at that point, I guess i'd been single for like, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:28.120 I how oldly when you went on thirty one? Yeah, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.960 I think that's right. Thirty three now, um three? Yeah, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.400 you don't look at day over twenty six. I appreciate that, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.760 thank you. Um yeah, So I don't know. I saw 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:41.720 The Bachelor pop up and one of my best friends 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.959 always watched and I would have refused to watch with her, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.160 and I think a text him was like should I 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.120 sign up for this? And she was like, go for it. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:52.480 I was like, alright, why not? Couldn't hurt. Honestly, every 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.240 other day that was going on was failing. Yeah, what's 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.000 the worse thing that could happen? You get on the show, 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.719 and literally and you got on the show, So like 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.880 the whole press of it went really fast. I forgot 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.360 that I had even sent anything in and then I 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.199 was on like a photo shoot. One day I got 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.280 a phone call from casting and I honestly, like I 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.000 had no idea what they were even talking about. Completely forgot. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.400 How long in between was it from you signing up 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.040 to you getting the phone call? I think I signed 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.439 up in January, maybe like late January. I got a 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.320 call in more Okay, so not too long a couple 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.600 of months. Are you watching this current season in The Bachelor? 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.960 I am do you have any like weird PTSD watching? 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.840 Because this is your first season watching after you were 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.920 on it, right, um, I would say there's a bunch 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.560 of different things in general to give me PTSD from 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.959 just like working in this also anytime my mom is 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:45.440 set that also does watching it. I'm like, god, like, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.840 how did I not see through that? I could have 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.000 done that totally different? I noticed myself because I've been 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.440 watching this season as well, and I'm like super critical 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.560 of the women's fashion choices sometimes, and I can only 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.320 imagine what someone like you must be going through too, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.080 because I'm like, why are you wearing that? Like that 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.240 looks awful and it doesn't make any sense to me, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.120 and it's just like I don't I don't understand. It 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.880 was like a big thing going on the show. I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.040 packed a lot of stuff like way too much stuff. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.960 How many bags did you bring? Um? I think I 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.720 had like three, but one suitcase was totally shoes. I 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.959 brought forty pairs of shoes and that was like a 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:22.880 tiny amount prepared collection, prepared for what like three dates 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:28.800 group dates. It's more than a lot of people. Uh yeah, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.240 I mean yes. I look at the clothes and I'm like, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.960 but it's more expected. That's true. I guess. I guess 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.560 I just have a thing when people overdo it, and 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.600 I think this season they're overdoing it a lot with 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.600 their fashion choices. Yeah, Telestine, who is this person and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.360 what are they wearing? No, I'll say there was one 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.520 specific dress at the group date last night that I 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.720 was like, why is she wearing? Which you're talking? Please? 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.400 Get no, I can't please, you have to please? Was 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:02.880 it very sequence or at the group date Hannah Anne 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.320 was wearing a very interesting time? You remember seeing Hannah 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.640 and at the group date last night it was a top. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.440 Tory just informed us it was a top. Apparently I 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.040 didn't see the bottom half. I just saw the top 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.320 and she looked great. She always looks good. But she 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.600 was wearing this dress, this top. I apologize, and I 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.440 was like, what are you wearing? What are you talking about? 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.640 What's this? What's the sequence that you're talking about? Because 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.960 maybe I saw that really yette sequence. Do you know 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.960 what a patte is? It's like a large sement. It 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.240 was like I wish there was a camera on Dean 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.560 in Mine's face when she said, pyette, are you gonna 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.480 like on the floor? Very confused. My experience was funny 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.080 because I packed a little and I was wearing the 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.320 same thing over and over again, so it was like 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.120 every time some I was like, wasn't Dean wearing that 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.200 shirt last week? I was like, yeah, I didn't Dean 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.960 wear that suit the last dresser. Yeah, I mean, isn't 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.000 that like the last season of the Bachelorette where all 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.800 the guys were like sharing, I wish you guys think 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.120 I have bad fashion? Now? You should have seen me 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.640 on the show and prior to the show. On the show, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.920 I wore a bright orange T shirt from express Men 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:12.240 with I'm pretty sure like gray shorts. It was just 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.680 not a good combo and the record, I don't think 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.680 you have bad style now, thank you? Just making fun 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.800 of my air forces the first time I'm trying something new, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.080 they look you can't even support me there. Clear, this 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.880 is the first time you're wearing it. I'm keeping very clear, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.280 very very expensive. I just personally don't like air Force ones. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.240 They're big and bulky, and I'm a guy that likes 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.800 short shorts and flip flop. Yeah, you show off the thighs. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.000 So it's not that I think you have bad style, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.120 it's just not something that I personally would wear. Yes, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.000 that's fair. I don't know. My heart's broken a little 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.520 bit right now. Um. I love a Vans and I 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.840 love an air Force. Thank you, Tracy. I appreciate it. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.240 So Tracy, you left the show single. Unfortunately, so begs 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.840 the question, because we are on a dating podcast, do 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.280 you still suck at dating? Or are you potentially talking 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.120 to someone right now? I am potentially potentially talking to 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.320 someone right Okay, that's very exciting news. Is it a 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.200 potential boyfriend? Is it a boyfriend? Are The ironic part 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:14.040 is he already was a boyfriend? My first boyfriend ever, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:19.320 first boyfriend ever? How old are seventeen? How long did 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.920 you AZ date? A little under a year? It was 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.120 year older and I went to college. Is that why 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.600 it ended? Essentially? I mean the issues of like you're 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.639 a freshman in college doing stuff, and he was a 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.639 senior in high school like party and also and it 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.639 just wasn't ye guys were young. How does this rekindling happen? 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.760 So we've always been friends, and he lives in Boston, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.280 great city, where my sister also lives, and I was 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.760 there in October visiting her, and the three of us 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.639 went out to dinner one night and drinks and I 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.960 don't know something. And him and I see each other 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.480 anytime we're in the same city, but it's never like 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.560 anything friends and I don't know something, just like sparked differently, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.480 I guess was the best way it was. The tequila 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.280 must have been tequila. Definitely could have been tequila. And 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.240 the fact that we were playing. We're at an arcade 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.840 bar doing that basketball game and I was definitely winning. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.280 So he saw that and he was like, still got it. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.840 She still got that jump shot. Well, if there's one 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.440 thing about reigniting a high school romance, it always helps 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.440 when they live in a different city across the country. Yeah, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.359 so what's up with that? Are you going to do 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.480 anything about have this terrible knack for getting into long 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.080 distance relationship? You know, it's funny that we've had people 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.040 on before where they're like every relationship it seems like 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.200 it's always long distance. I just feel like sometimes people 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.200 just I don't know, like you have the bug. I guess, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.040 I don't know. I say every time, I'm not going 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.800 to do it again, and it just keeps happening. I 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:51.480 don't know, but of course it happen again, and um, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.000 how long is this long distance relationship? Kind of talking October? 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.760 Since October? Okay? Funny? Sorry, though, November rolls around. And 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.199 was going to a Leonard Skinner concert in Florida with 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.840 my sister and one of my college friends, and it 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.560 was over Thanksgiving and this guy is a big fan, 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.840 and I was like jokingly texting and was like, are 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.199 you sure you don't want to come down to Florida 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.520 and go to this concert? Within an hour, he walked 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.320 a flight and came for all the things, and so 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.640 all right, like this is like happening. So then went 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.800 and saw him over Christmas as well at his parents house. 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.400 And then he's coming out here for like a week 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.680 in February. That's very exciting. I'm going there in March. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.640 And then he's coming to a wedding with me in April. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.120 That you guys have plans to like continue to see 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.439 each other. I think that's kind of the only way 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.120 that you can do it. You're gonna attempt a long 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.400 distance like you have to try to like plan things 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.920 out if you actually see it going everywhere. Yeah, I agree, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.280