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Speaker 2: I think what struck me about this conversation is, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for people to listen because everything

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Speaker 3: No, keep going. I know, well I keep having to

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Speaker 1: You know, so have a legacy. Yeah, I mean legacy

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Speaker 1: get an award or something.

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00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess what's iron about that is winning

439
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 3: the title and knowing that every time this happened, Jane,

440
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 3: you're thinking, at least I'm getting the same as those Yeah.

441
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 3: I planned it that way.

442
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: It was a great moment, and Billy Jean was in

443
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: the audience, and it was it was just a great

444
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: harmonious moment for everyone, probably except Marian who won a

445
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: few years later.

446
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 3: But like when you lose it, You're.

447
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: Like, it's not a great moment. So everyone was happy,

448
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: and it was. It was definitely full circle and happened

449
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot. So yeah, after like forty years of rejection, Yeah.

450
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: Well and then you've got to read those benefits going forward, right.

451
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: Yes, And I just feel like I want to collect

452
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: a percentage on everyone's check after that. I'm in a

453
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 1: petition for that. There should have been like the closet there, like, yeah, everybody.

454
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: Is a lot.

455
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: Let's go with two.

456
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 3: Let's start well, you know, well, so it's funny because

457
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 3: someone asked, you know, I teld you know, a couple

458
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: of people that I really respected that I was getting

459
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: the privilege of talking to you today for this, and

460
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: someone said to me, you know, I want to know

461
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 3: beyond the tennis player, is there a moment or a

462
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: decision that you felt like you had that empowered you

463
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 3: as a female, as a as an African American woman,

464
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: where you were like really stepping out and being this

465
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: empowering figure outside of just tennis. Was there a moment

466
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: where you're like, I understand now that I'm actually.

467
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: More than just a tennis bier.

468
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: I think that moment.

469
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you still I mean, I don't know. I mean,

470
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: as a tennis player, you got to earn your keep

471
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: every single time, just with any other worker job, and

472
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: so you have to stay in the moment. If you

473
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: start basking in some sort of you know, tending world

474
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: that's doesn't exist. That was a past, like you want,

475
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: but it's over, so let's get with today. And so

476
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm super focused on that moment. But I think, if anything,

477
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: just the empowerment for me came from my parents growing up.

478
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 3: You know, there was no option that wasn't to be confidence,

479
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 3: to be strong, and.

480
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: All those different things. So I think they'll value yourself.

481
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, absolutely.

482
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand any other way, or I get it

483
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of realities out there when you

484
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: don't but and and sometimes you don't value yourself in ways.

485
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: That you should.

486
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: And when you're trying something new or maybe you failed

487
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: and you figured, you know, value yourself the same. But yeah,

488
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: those moments came as a child, So I guess you

489
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: know it's a twofold answer. Yeah, yeah, because it's weird

490
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: to me, like the whole famely, I'm not I don't

491
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't chase it at all. So masks are the

492
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: best things that ever happened to me. Like I actually

493
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: can engage with people and have conversations on a human level,

494
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, And whenever one's gonna mask, when I have

495
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: a mask on, you know, nobody knows anything about me.

496
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: And I love that.

497
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm never not gonna wear the mask. So I'm gonna

498
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: always be like They're like, there's probably gonna be still

499
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: many people who wear the mask, you know for sure,

500
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna.

501
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Wear a mask wherever I go. Celebrities are loving the

502
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: mask because they can actually walk around in public and

503
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: not really be as noticed. And it's yeah, and no

504
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: actually talk to people, yeah, or just talk, you know,

505
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: and disconnect.

506
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: And you know that.

507
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm great obviously, but it's you know, no.

508
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: I don't not because I'm not famous. Well, I mean,

509
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 3: you know, you like to talk with people, connect with

510
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: people very easily.

511
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: So just imagine never actually being able to do that

512
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: ever because of yeah, always wondering what people want. Even

513
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: though people are connecting to you because of this thing,

514
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: but you're kind of like, you know, you know, you

515
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: don't get to connect back in a way because you're

516
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: not actually that thing that they think you are even

517
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: though you know what I mean, you're just the person. Yeah,

518
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's really cool to just be up and

519
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: home goods, just chat with somebody, you know what I mean.

520
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of where it first started. In Quarantine.

521
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I had my mask on, I went out, and I.

522
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: Was like, well, it must be hot for you too,

523
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: because you're not exactly this little person that can just

524
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: walk in instead.

525
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: Of kind of I'm a giant.

526
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you're African American woman.

527
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: It's not like it's.

528
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: Not like you.

529
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you.

530
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: And I have been out a few times in general

531
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: just to have fun.

532
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: And if you're like, you know, I don't want.

533
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: To talk to me, I'm like, because you're very intimidating

534
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: and you're not exactly someone that people can't recognize. I

535
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: mean it's like you walk into a room and it's

536
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: like oh boom, Venus Williams, you know, and I can't imagine,

537
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: like I can't imagine going through life having to just

538
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: what you talked about. Like it's that fame is great,

539
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: but it's there they are down.

540
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: So's yeah, I definitely am not one of those people,

541
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: know where we can't even function anymore, definitely not that,

542
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: but it's not something I pursue. It's just part of

543
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: So how do you win the match? Yeah, of course,

544
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: how do you use.

545
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: That and in regular life to say, Okay, it is

546
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: what it is, and I'm going to embrace it and

547
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to use it for the good.

548
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: I would definitely say on dinner reservations, it definitely helps.

549
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: But I never call myself. I'll ask someone else to

550
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: call because it's just cringe worthy for me to calm

551
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: and be like, well, it's for me and it's just

552
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: that I'll be like you. So I would say that's

553
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: where I really benefited them, was dinner reservations. So every

554
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: now and then, like I wanted to see this dermatologists.

555
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: She's African American, like the only one that kind of

556
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: specialized in Florida, and you know.

557
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: Called the office Heather Woolery indeed, and I just had

558
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 3: a dm R. I was like I need to come

559
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: in like my skin's going crazy, and.

560
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: Like that was like, you know, so every now and

561
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: then there's moments like that, but I don't really like

562
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: you drop. I'm not out there every days or whatever.

563
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: Someone did that to them, not you, but she she

564
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: because she got to like, yeah, no, do you want

565
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: to play with you?

566
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 3: She didn't. I was like fifteen years old, and did

567
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: you ask her to play? She comes up to me

568
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: and she says, hey, how are you want to play

569
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: doubles with me?

570
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I was like no, no, thank you, Like do you

571
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: know who I am? One of my biggest regrets. I

572
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: was a kid today, I would have been like, no,

573
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: refresh me. But I was fifteen and I was like no.

574
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah I did.

575
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: It's like the time when she don't go back to

576
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: that moment, not any other, just that one. You don't

577
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: want to disclose it. No, but you probably know who

578
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: it was.

579
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a guess.

580
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: Oh I do it now, I'll do it later. Then

581
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 3: I get people tweeting me she doesn't.

582
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: Want to play with me, like looking back, like she

583
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: had a partner. I'm sure she's at the tournament already. Like,

584
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: so she had a partner, And at the time, I

585
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: didn't know that you don't come to terminent without a partner,

586
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: and you know, you're just like hoping to get in.

587
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: So She'm sure she had a partner.

588
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: She was highly ranked.

589
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: They probably haven't played together for years. I don't know

590
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: what funny story.

591
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's well. Then you just had to

592
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: play with right now and you know, went fourteen.

593
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't qualifying truly hilar that year I got through qualifying,

594
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: the lost around. It seems like the toughest match whatever.

595
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: Later a few years later and you crushed crush. We probably,

596
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you hilarious. I think that's great.

597
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 3: Well, then you ended up just having to sign up

598
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: with Serena and hip for the best, right well. I

599
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: remember we played our first tournament and everyone was saying, oh,

600
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: good luck, have fun, and we're looking at each other

601
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: like we're about to win. You know what I mean.

602
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 3: They're like, you have a good time.

603
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: We played Martinez and ter Bed in the first round.

604
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: They were like seedde remember Indian Wells, long dramatical match.

605
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: And somehow we end up winning. We feel like we

606
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: lost to you, didn't you?

607
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, but we got to the quarters.

608
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: I feel like then we lost to.

609
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: I don't know it was.

610
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know it was somebody.

611
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: I'll look it up. I'll try and find it out.

612
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: I'll put it out with someone. You lost to Lisa

613
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: and I.

614
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: And stood gut when we were there.

615
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: We played you in fielder start. Remember yeah, yeah, it

616
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: was my only win against you, and I went down

617
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: every time after that. You took full revenge one after

618
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: the other after the other after that.

619
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, let it go. It's ruinly, it's.

620
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: Not talk to me about the shogrins when you discovered that,

621
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: Like how first of all, how crazy it was and

622
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: how did you even know to say I'm tired or

623
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: what was going on? I just basically had to get,

624
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: you know, to the point where I couldn't play anymore,

625
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: to diagnosis, which is I think pretty typical for most people,

626
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: some sort of disease.

627
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Typical diagnosis about seven years.

628
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was my journey and I never look

629
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: back or.

630
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, just.

631
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: And how did the like you had to change your

632
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: diet and everything like that, Like a lot of people

633
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: ask me, you know, how did that affect you?

634
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: At it sometimes? So whatever I'm trying, I'm a human.

635
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm a human that loves junk food, and so I

636
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know how to unless I just moved to Antarctica or something,

637
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: and apparently there's.

638
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: No I'm you're enguin.

639
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, did that give you a little bit of

640
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: I don't know impudence to when you discovered that and

641
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 5: started trying to get control of it, to.

642
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: Play as long as you have. Do you think it

643
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: actually helped or actually I think so.

644
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: I think so would not played as well had that

645
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: not happened. But anyway, it's a good job. So yeah,

646
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: I mean one of the questions, there's really good insurance

647
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: in the Oh my god, I can't believe it's so good.

648
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: It's good for players. You're like in an MRI every

649
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: other month and like you don't get a bill.

650
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: It's like, it's great.

651
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: I tell that to everybody one. You have free physiotherapy,

652
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: you have free massage, and you have great health insurance.

653
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Keep playing.

654
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: That's what aplayed till I was forty as well. I mean,

655
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: I know, and then I to find my.

656
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Day that, like you, that we can extend that too,

657
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: isn't it? Is it how it works in other associations

658
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: health insurance they extended to their retired players and there's

659
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: benefits for them.

660
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: That'd be great if they did that, But no, I've

661
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: search for my own health insurance over the last five years.

662
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: I can't retire because I got to keep that insurance card.

663
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: Here's the things that we don't realize at that to

664
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: a life, what was the toughest if there was one.

665
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: Match that you could go back to, you can't go back,

666
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: go forward? Yeah, I think jay Z said that my

667
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: song last One, my favorite j Z song randomly, so

668
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: you can't go back, got to go forward.

669
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: And it's funny that you say that because some people

670
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: I would say, come on, this has to be one match,

671
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: but I actually really believe that with you.

672
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't dwell.

673
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 3: I think that's would you say that's your greatest asset?

674
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I'm kind of nothing really ruffles my feathers.

675
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: So I think that definitely helps in life as an

676
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: athlete and just life with COVID and life as you know,

677
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. You got to be able to not get

678
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: too ruffled. So yeah, definitely.

679
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: I mean I think sarn is pretty soon. Yeah.

680
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: I think like when when she was getting married and

681
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, most people are stressed out and it's like, yeah,

682
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of played in Grand Flame Final, I've been down.

683
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: You know, like this is nothing compared to that.

684
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, how does that affect you with your businesses?

685
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Because I mean, you have a lot of hats a lot.

686
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: You know, you have eleven your clothing line, you have

687
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: Vista Designs. Do I get that right? Yeah? We started

688
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: to Yeah, like how do you manage all of that?

689
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: I have a great team and I really love them.

690
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: I literally, yeah, it's a romance.

691
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: And I hope they never leave me, but if they do,

692
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: hopefully they've left stronger and better and more skills. That's

693
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: what I like to be able to do that. And yeah,

694
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: it's just really that great team. I think it's just

695
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: love for what you do. Definitely, being able to win

696
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: a little bit helps to fuel you if you're losing

697
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: non stop got a business, and also it's exhausting, so

698
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: being able to do that it's also helpful. I literally

699
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: love design. So yeah, there you go. Is that here

700
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: we are? Yes?

701
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: We are, And it's beautiful home.

702
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: My style is very weird. My mom hates everything in here.

703
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: She cannot understand why, Like this chandelier. She was like,

704
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Why is everything the same color?

705
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's what I want. I inherited

706
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: this all else.

707
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: I just try to work with it, that fight against it,

708
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: like let's just go retro. I don't know if you

709
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: inherited it I think you bought it about it, but

710
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, you know, yes so, but it's beautiful,

711
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: it's you. It's very calm. Thank you. I think that's

712
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: the one thing that I want people to understand about

713
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: you the most is that, well, everybody knows how much

714
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: I love you because I pretty much say it all

715
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: the time, no matter what. I'm always like, if there's

716
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: somebody that I want good for all the time, it's you,

717
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: because you just constantly are giving it out. You know,

718
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: obviously people think they know you, but they don't really

719
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: know you. You know, what would be the one thing that

720
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: you would want them to know about you? Is it one?

721
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me on Twitter. I'm sure that Venus gets asked.

722
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: She's been asked every question in the world. What would

723
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: be one question that someone could ask you where?

724
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: Well, I think people only get to see one side

725
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: of me, which is a very competitive side, and not's

726
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: all like a very calm and chill side. But I'm

727
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: eat fool, so like I mean and like it's just crazy.

728
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: I'm just crazy. And on court yesterday I was saying

729
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: to my coach, I said I should just be like

730
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: this in my match, like people would be shocked and

731
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: he's like you should and I was like, oh maybe.

732
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: And what is that? What is that? Like?

733
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: What were you doing? In practice? I just fooling around,

734
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: like I'm actually much closer to a monthy, Like I'm crazy.

735
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: I've seen him when you're joking around. Not that it's crazy,

736
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: but I'm just like very very much in the moment

737
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: and just very much alive and like whatever I feel

738
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: like doing at that moment, I just do. But I'm

739
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: not really like that in tennis. I'm you know, I'm

740
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: just kind of a machine. But you know, I've been

741
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: thinking about like letting that side come out, but also

742
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't ever want that side to

743
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: be misconstrued as like unsportsmanlike either, because like if you

744
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: get a winner and you just want to like have fun,

745
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I think that's great, but a lot of people will

746
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: be so it's like celebrate like yeah, but like you know,

747
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: if you lose a point, you know, let it out,

748
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: or if you win a point, you're like or like

749
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: have a smile and look across the net and like

750
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: you know whatever, it doesn't mean anything. It's just like

751
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, you enjoying a moment and competing and just

752
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: like letting the emotions come out. Can I give you

753
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: full permission to beat this?

754
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? When you play like, wow, now she's a j

755
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: I'm not a jer I'm just alive, you know. So

756
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: you're basically saying, if you could allow yourself to play

757
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: in the spirit of you.

758
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: As a twelve year old, you would love that.

759
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: I am a twelve year old, That's what I mean. Yeah, sure,

760
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 3: I said to you before we started this interview. I'm

761
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: gonna I want anybody out there that hears this podcast

762
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: that is in media or is a player, votes for

763
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: you for the Karen Kranski Award because I'm so sick

764
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 3: and tired of the fact that you've played for twenty

765
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: plus years on tour and you've never got the Karen

766
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: Kranski Award.

767
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: And for people out there that don't.

768
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Know this, this is the Sportsmanship Award for the WTA

769
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: that's given out.

770
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, how do you even get it?

771
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: You didn't even know.

772
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 3: You're like, what is that? You have no idea because

773
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: you don't pursue those things because it's important. It's not

774
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say it's not important. No, it's just gonna

775
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: get worse from here on. I just want you to

776
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: get I mean, there's the things that you've been through

777
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: on the tennis court, and you are always like even

778
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 3: if it's just like challenging Paul, I'm like, well she's challenging,

779
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: and she's right because you just are such a good sport,

780
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, so I want you to get

781
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 3: that awards. I'm putting that out there, and if she died.

782
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to make my own award for you, thank you.

783
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it the racket. He's only the

784
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: best construction paper.

785
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: I mean. And then there was me who was completely

786
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: the opposite of you on the court. So I know,

787
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: a good sport. I was a good sport.

788
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: I was just crazy. I just remember you like blowing

789
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: up once once.

790
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: Well I don't remember you got like a wild card

791
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: if you're playing Marianna Lucic, did you have that matches?

792
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: You were crazy.

793
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm looking at it, like what is

794
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: wrong with her? But also it was also with the

795
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: respect too, like she really expressed lot of herself, you

796
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that you weren't there just

797
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: to see you always turned everything into you were like

798
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: there to like you had this intensity and you were

799
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: there to like, you know, it was like both.

800
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: Like it was mesmerizing on both ends. You know what

801
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: was funny about that? It was that was that whole

802
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: situation when Maranda Lichit she made the finals of Austraina

803
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: as Semis when she plays Arena Yeah, and when she

804
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: won her quarterfinal to make the semi, I went out

805
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: there to do the postmatch interview and she had told

806
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: me the week before after she won her first round,

807
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: which was an incredible win for her in three sets

808
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: against Wang Chung and I said well done yesterday and

809
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, thanks. You know, that's the first match

810
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: I won here in nineteen years. I'm like, no, wait.

811
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, first of all, I'm like, what, how do

812
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: you not want a match in that time?

813
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: You know, because she's a great player.

814
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: And she's like yeah, you know, and obviously we know

815
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: all of her trials and tribulations with her life.

816
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: But she goes, yeah, and you know who I beat.

817
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, who, Thinking she was gonna

818
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: play Stepan and say stepfy or like Martina or she

819
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: goes you. I was like, oh my god, so the

820
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: last match you played here in one.

821
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Was against me nineteen year and that.

822
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 3: Was that match unbelievable. Yeah, so that's why she cried

823
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: in that because it was such a I was hungover

824
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: doing that interview. Oh yeah, that sounds about right, I know.

825
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: Can we actually talk about postmatching pre match interviews? Can

826
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: you tell me why? Because I want to know this

827
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: for myself? Why are you the worst pre match interviewer?

828
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: Because I'm in a zone I don't really care about

829
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: that question, and I'm going to say that next time

830
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I get a rematch interviews like, I just want to

831
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: be I don't care about this question. Is I got

832
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: to play a match now? This question is a softball question.

833
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: It don't make sense and it's stupid and you're wasting

834
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: my time. You know.

835
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: It's like the speech of the Indshaw Shank when Morgan

836
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: Freeman says, fill out your paper whatever. Frankly, I don't.

837
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what he says or what's in scarlettle hair. Frankly,

838
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't give it. In all those moments, it's gonna

839
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: be all those rolled up into.

840
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love you so much because I'm Mari.

841
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm already on the court by the time question. I'm

842
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: already playing the match.

843
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: You're already in the fall, and you don't care even

844
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: though even though it's me, it's okay, all right. The

845
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 3: best part about it is that.

846
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: That you're next time, I'm gonna give you a hard

847
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: punch on the shoulder like REDEEO.

848
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Can I go now? No, next time, I'm just gonna

849
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: have you when you walk up to me, I'm just

850
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: gonna go on.

851
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: You go on, you guy, just go just keep walking.

852
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna yeah. Yeah, that's great. So thanks for that.

853
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: That's good to know, because you and Serena definitely take

854
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: the cake for the worst pre match interviews. When we

855
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: get the roster for the day and they's like, have

856
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 3: it have me down doing pre match for you or Serena,

857
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh god, here we go and we're friends.

858
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're able to communicate.

859
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: I can breath now. It's just not about me, that's right.

860
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: Could you imagine that this is like ended up being

861
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: your life if you go.

862
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Back and yeah, you saw this, well, I'm very grateful.

863
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: First of all, I think it was what I was

864
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: meant to do. I really do.

865
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel that way too. What

866
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: I was meant to do, and then I'm grateful for

867
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: my parents and the opportunity. But at the same time,

868
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, you slog it for a million years doing

869
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: other stuff, and as a tennis player you're like a machine.

870
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: There's moments like you know, yesterday I went out and

871
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: I had a dream with a friend, and at those

872
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: moments you just feel like, man, this is nice, and

873
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: then you know months later you may not have another one.

874
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: So even though I feel grateful, it's also like, yeah,

875
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I earned this, like I deserve to be here,

876
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and this is not by chance. It's just by chance

877
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: that I was born in a home where I had

878
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do so. But the rest is not

879
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: my chance.

880
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: So can you So you know one thing about your

881
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: parents and particularly your dad, is there something that you

882
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: feel like your dad didn't get.

883
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: Enough to do for I don't think he's got enough

884
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: doe for changing the game. Like Smed and I went

885
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: out there and we played, but it was really him

886
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: who had all these big ideas and why we played

887
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: the way we played and why everyone else is playing

888
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: the way they played play right now, is you know,

889
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: because of us. So, I mean I think we were

890
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: like the first ones hitting men or women's too, are

891
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: like full time, open stance, backhands like in any position,

892
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so yeah, that's all my dad.

893
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: How do you feel about the movie they made Will

894
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: Smithing your dad? I actually haven't seen the did you

895
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: guys have anything?

896
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: I haven't seen my sister went out to see it,

897
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: my older sister last week.

898
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: I think, So, how do you guys feel about it?

899
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: Like did you have any like say in it? Or

900
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: do you feel like it's presenting you and him?

901
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: And I mean I haven't seen it. Yeah, I got

902
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: to go this set twice. I've read the script. When

903
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: I read the script, it was moments I forgot about

904
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: that I was laughing at like this is so I

905
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: was literally like laughing in the mother moments like I

906
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: was actually like I don't remember, you know, I don't remember.

907
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: But I think one example is like my dad would

908
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: tell people and you know, I'm not raising no dumb athlete,

909
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: and my girl's gonna be here about you while we're

910
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: dead gone and I'm not. And it was just like

911
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, shoot, like it was just like

912
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: so funny, but he was like right, but it was

913
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: in such an extreme way. Do you think, Yeah, so

914
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: that those moments and that I don't remember like the rest,

915
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: but like some of those moments I just had forgotten about.

916
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: Do you think that if you look back on the

917
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: way you came into this tennis world, because obviously I

918
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: was there front and center. I saw it all. I mean,

919
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: I was on tour and your dad was so adamant.

920
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: He was so vibrant and so very matter of fact

921
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: and at times a little crazy, you know, I mean

922
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: the scene of him like jumping on to the Wembledon,

923
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: Like if you as an adult now, also not as

924
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: a mom, but certainly as you know, an aunt. Now

925
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: you know you've seen how parents can and want for

926
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: their children, Like, do you go back to that and go,

927
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: I wish my dad hadn't been so outspoken and that

928
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: or you so happy? I know that's a hard question

929
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: asked because you've turned into this amazing you both, your

930
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: whole family. It's just so remarkable.

931
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't really care. He got to do

932
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to do. Yeah, to be honest, at

933
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the time, I didn't I didn't care. Do you feel

934
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: like that though, like when because it was such a

935
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it was.

936
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: Such a change for the tennis world to have these

937
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 3: two incredible athletic, incredible tennis flight as black women come

938
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: out light the world on fire on the tennis world,

939
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: and it was not what that we used to do.

940
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually I was. I never saw it that way,

941
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: but I actually kind of got a glimpse into that

942
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: because I'm just me, and you know, regardless of who

943
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: I am or where it came from a color, that's

944
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: just me. I didn't see me the other way. But

945
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: I was on YouTube the other day and this match

946
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: came up Sugg justin because I.

947
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: Swear the phone is it's listening to right.

948
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: I was talking to my coach about the ninety nine

949
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: French Open finals. I got say, a nice first final,

950
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: and I'd written a post about it on Instagram, so

951
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: of course it comes up on YouTube, so I click

952
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: on it and then I end up getting to like

953
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: me playing in the finals in Miami in nineteen ninety eight,

954
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: And then I.

955
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: Actually saw it.

956
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: I was like this, you know, black woman child with beads,

957
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: and I was just so different and like I actually

958
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: saw it for the first time and then I thought,

959
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so glad. I didn't know I

960
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: was so different than maybe that would have I wouldn't

961
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: have cared knowing me. But at the same time, you know,

962
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: maybe it would have been.

963
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: You know, overwhelming, not overwhelming, but it was more self conscious.

964
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but I'm just glad I didn't

965
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: realize it. Yeah, you know, the me that I am,

966
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't care then and I don't

967
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: care now.

968
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: But and I'm sure Arena probably felt the same way.

969
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: But what I never asked her?

970
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: How did you?

971
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: We just think we were like, oh my god, our

972
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: style was just awful but really horrible. But thankfully we've

973
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: matured well.

974
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: And realized that that's actually not sexually fantastic.

975
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: No, at the time, I had terrible style, Like I

976
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: was awful, and like I think I was like, why

977
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: did my mom? But then yeah, my mom was probably

978
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: struggling a little too. The haircut at the time it

979
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: was challenged, so we were all struggling. Yeah, but like,

980
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you should like tell your kids, like

981
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: not do that. I guess part of it is just

982
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: letting them be who they are at the time, even

983
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: if it's awful.

984
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: I remember that moment at the straight open when the

985
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: beads are on the court, and I have seen I

986
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: don't know where I saw that recently as well, and

987
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: you were so apparently it's you you got a warning

988
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: for it or something and then you're like what I

989
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: and you were so upset And I remember that moment,

990
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: and you were like really upset, upset, like you felt

991
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: like there was such an injustice going on in the

992
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: tennis court because you had these things that were falling

993
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: out of your hair. But for you were like, I'm

994
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: not trying to do anything. You think about that. You

995
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: were so young, It's like, why would you think that

996
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: anyone would do anything to hurt anyone?

997
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad I stood up for myself. I mean,

998
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: to do is just like freaking take the people's hairs. Yeah,

999
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I stood up for myself. It was

1000
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: a moment.

1001
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. How do you how do you feel about being such?

1002
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I've asked I asked you this

1003
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: quite often in postmatch interviews because I'm always I'm so

1004
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: proud of like you guys in everything in general, But like,

1005
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: how awesome is it for you to see all these

1006
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: young black girls and you think about someone like Coco.

1007
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: I mean, that match, even though it didn't go your

1008
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: way is so it was so beautiful to see that

1009
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: moment where she shook her hand and see I am.

1010
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: But it was the moment of the shaking at the

1011
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: hand when she's like, I just like.

1012
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: You know that that that moment.

1013
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: Was so poignantly beautiful in some respects because this kid

1014
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: who has looked up to you so much in her

1015
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: life and modeled a lot of her game after you.

1016
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: I mean, her backhand, say on the run, It's like

1017
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: you can see the whole thing, right, And her dad

1018
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: would have watched you and Serena and watched why your

1019
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: father took you two to being the best two players

1020
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 3: in the world. I mean, is that a legacy that

1021
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: you can actually at least look at and go I

1022
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: hope that was part of what we've done. Yeah.

1023
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I love seeing people doing positive things with their lives

1024
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: and just see, you know, even at all sorts of levels,

1025
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: just sometimes in a junior town the other day, you know,

1026
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: there's so many African American young boys and girls playing

1027
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: collegiate level, and that's great too, but of course you know,

1028
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: there's lots of people have impacted and I definitely am

1029
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: African American, but also at the same time, you know,

1030
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: there's so many other people I've impacted too, and that's

1031
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: more than what you think about as a kid. You're

1032
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: just trying to get out there and get something for you,

1033
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: you know.

1034
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 3: So that's great.

1035
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: And also what's really interesting is the phenomena phenomena of

1036
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: all the people, all the dads that want to be

1037
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: like Richard Williams.

1038
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: So it's like all these people out there.

1039
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Like try to be, you know, the next Richard Williams,

1040
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: which is impossible unless you're really niggy, be you know,

1041
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: crazy as a fox. And I think those people just

1042
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: don't have the guys. But frankly, my dad didn't give

1043
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: a damn, so in that instance, you know, so I

1044
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: have kind of that same attitude, but we don't care.

1045
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: You'll do us. So yeah, I kind of love seeing that,

1046
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, that's really cool. That's the that's one

1047
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 3: of the many legacies that you're all going to lay behind.

1048
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: You're still playing. Getting to the end of this now interview,

1049
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: and what's one goal that you want to achieve this year?

1050
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 3: Stay healthy? It's just tough. Yeah.

1051
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: I think as long as I can pull that together,

1052
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll be playing good teams. I had fun in my

1053
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: last match, I had moments of brilliance, but I just

1054
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: couldn't pull it together.

1055
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: I was having so much fun that it was over well.

1056
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: And also you were coming back from a pretty able

1057
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: ankle injury that I asked you this before, but I

1058
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 3: do want people to know, like you play through such

1059
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: pain at the strain open and everyone's like, why is

1060
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: she doing this? I'm like, because it's Venus, Like she

1061
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: just won't doesn't want to give up if she thinks

1062
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: it's a chance.

1063
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, in my head, I think I can win this match,

1064
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: and I don't want to ever look back with any regrets.

1065
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: But those Mike, even my lost lady six. Oh, I

1066
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it was kind of six. So in

1067
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, Okay, your next game, and then

1068
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: you know I'm close. It's thirty yards, so I have chances.

1069
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 1: And you know how I would have never been able

1070
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: to play the next match, but I was out there

1071
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: at that moment.

1072
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 3: You know, it was.

1073
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: It was pretty epic.

1074
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: You had so many admirers though, because they were just like, God,

1075
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: she's just she just won't let it go. She just

1076
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: gotta keep trying till till the last ball is hit.

1077
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: To the bad ladies. Well, you're you're an inspiration. There's

1078
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: so many I want to I want to give me

1079
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: one answer to some of your best rivals.

1080
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Lindsay Davenpoint. Oh, I just loved watching her play, you know,

1081
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: and just just a pure game, just even outside of

1082
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: playing her, which was always just a battle.

1083
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 3: Royale, which it was very different she did. She didn't

1084
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: match up.

1085
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: That well against Serena, but somehow against me it was

1086
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: like her best tennis. But outside I just loved watching

1087
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: her play.

1088
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1089
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: It was just fun to watch her hit the ball

1090
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: hingus man. It's just like total opposites, just total opposites

1091
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, game style, you know. But

1092
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: I think that's what made an interesting exciting is.

1093
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: That very different, very different.

1094
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: She was fun to watch play too, even when she

1095
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: was just playing doubles. It was just fun to watch

1096
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: her somehow win these points. So I don't think you know,

1097
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: really appreciate the person until you know you're much older.

1098
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: I think as a kid, though, you know, I had

1099
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: like my sister and stuff, but she was out there

1100
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: by herself, and I think I think she valued friendships

1101
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: with other players, and I think she wanted to like,

1102
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: even though you were playing against each other, she probably

1103
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: wanted to like connect in.

1104
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: A way as well. You know. Yeah, so I think

1105
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: it was like I want to beat you, but I

1106
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: also kind of want to be your friend.

1107
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: You know.

1108
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: I've always got that vibe from her from hngus, Yeah, yeah,

1109
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: I mean I had already had a friend to herself.

1110
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: Was like I didn't actually need it.

1111
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: You had you had Serena. Yeah, and so you're like,

1112
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good with I think we ever talked,

1113
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 3: but yeah, I.

1114
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Think she would have enjoyed that.

1115
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: But that was that's just my opinion that she was

1116
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: a kid, and so, yeah, of course you want to

1117
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 3: have friends, you knows. I don't think we played that often,

1118
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: did we?

1119
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1120
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: I think we played a lot. I didn't play her

1121
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: often either, I mean I played her maybe like five times.

1122
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: What do you think of the game today in comparison

1123
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: to that period of time where it was like Preoti,

1124
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: you know yourself, Serena or Resmo, I mean, Hennahan and

1125
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: classicism in the top ten was pool. It was pretty

1126
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: bloody impressive. It was impressive, especially when the USA had

1127
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: like four or five people that taught it. I was like,

1128
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: it was like me, Serena con.

1129
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lindsay, it was like the.

1130
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: Flag was waving. It was awesome. But like now, like

1131
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: like comparative to the tennis now, the depth of tennis now,

1132
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: it's definitely much deeper. But I think in the sense that.

1133
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: More that people are much more determined, and you know,

1134
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: at the time, I think people didn't have a self confidence,

1135
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: so they would just say, oh, I'm supposed to lose

1136
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: the X Y Z player And now they're like they

1137
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: probably still think that, but they're still trying, like yeah,

1138
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: so hard. That's I think that's the biggest difference in

1139
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: the course of change. You know, it's a lot slower.

1140
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: So if you're not as athletic.

1141
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: Can still get to the balls and things like that.

1142
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: So the course were faster than so if you were

1143
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: a real athlete and had more power, and then you

1144
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: were going to most likely wipe off white people up

1145
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: the face of the planet. And now like Miami opened

1146
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: and I was slow because I was, you know, still recovering.

1147
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not going to get this ball.

1148
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: I got to the ball. The ball, you know, I'm like,

1149
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: what's happened? The court was so freaking slow.

1150
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: So if you're not a super athlete right now, you're

1151
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: still like in the equation that's so interesting.

1152
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: But if you fit, you can hang in there. You

1153
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: can run every ball. I think people are a lot

1154
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: fitter too, hence the reason you still got to do

1155
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: to Caadio and not the whites. Oh yeah, definitely alright,

1156
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: fed Cup. Would you ever consider being the coach? No?

1157
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: Would you have a coach? I like working with young people.

1158
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: I think I'll you know, I think maybe if I

1159
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: have a separation from tennis wurpear, maybe it'll be refreshing

1160
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: and come back on to it. I have no desire

1161
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: to win on a rendel. I don't care if it's

1162
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: your coach or whatever.

1163
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: I just am done.

1164
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there, and I already don't

1165
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: want to be there, you know, sitting on site for

1166
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: ten hours now.

1167
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: So.

1168
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: I'll need a separation from that, I think. But I

1169
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: love being able to young and young people. Actually, I

1170
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: like working with beginners, so I think i'd probably just

1171
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: do like grassroots stuff at home.

1172
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 3: And you just wrote that auticle in Vogue British blog

1173
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: British about fighting continually fighting for women getting I mean

1174
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: is that a passion. Is there going to be a

1175
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: passion for you until Yeah.

1176
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's just something that we started with the

1177
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: Privileged Tax and fighting for equality for women, especially in

1178
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: the workplace and of course all platforms. But yeah, absolutely,

1179
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: And it's not just something we're going to do in

1180
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: March with something we started and it's just gone really well.

1181
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: People have really been excited about it and gravitated toward

1182
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: it and wanted to partner with us on it. So

1183
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: it's definitely something we'll do throughout the years, and you know,

1184
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: doing a bigger way the next March. And I'm definitely

1185
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: very passionate about equality and about kids. You know, not

1186
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: everyone has a chance and even a quality on the

1187
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: smallest levels, you know, most minute levels.

1188
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: Are extremely important. You don't have clean water, then you're

1189
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: going to be sick. You're sick, camp up to school,

1190
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: came up to school, you can't get educations a domino

1191
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: eff Just having the opportunity for clean water is so important.

1192
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, just.

1193
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: Being able to fight for equality on all levels, it's

1194
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: definitely something I'm passionate about and want to do more

1195
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: in and wish.

1196
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: I even had more time to do.

1197
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: All in good time, all in good time, all in

1198
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: good time.

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 3: I guess until out here getting this insurance, so you

1200
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: know that's going to be that's going to be the

1201
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: basis for this. Well, maybe you should be a politician,

1202
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: maybe you should start thanks getting I don't play games

1203
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: too well, really, just going to keep it real and

1204
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: keep it real. You've kept it real for the thirty

1205
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: thirty years that I've known you. Oh my god, that's

1206
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: really how long I've known you. So it's been a minute.

1207
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. I without question loved and hated

1208
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: playing against you, but I think more than anything, I've

1209
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: loved getting to know you more and more as we've

1210
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: gotten older as a human being. And for everybody at

1211
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: home that knows me and knows when I commentate your

1212
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: matches or and I talk about you and write on

1213
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: Twitter or whatever it is, I always just tell everyone

1214
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: that you are truly one of my favorite people in

1215
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: the whole world. So of course she's a little behind you.

1216
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 3: I don't think happy to hear that.

1217
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: You're first.

1218
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: You know, you're the eldest, You're closer than my age,

1219
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: not by mine anyway. I just I love you to death,

1220
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: and thanks for joining me on.

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00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: And that's it for this episode of.

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Speaker 3: The Racket Magazine Podcast.

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1225
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Speaker 2: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim or Jerry, then

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