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Speaker 1: He is Art Stapleton. He covers the New York Football

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Speaker 1: Giants for the Record and of course North Jersey dot Com. Art.

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Speaker 1: How are my man. It's good to see you. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing well, John. You know, it's trying to we're slowly

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Speaker 1: but shortly inching towards normal, right or whatever normal is

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Speaker 1: going to be down the road. So it's been a

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Speaker 1: busy offseason. Surprisingly, yes, it has been. And we were

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Speaker 1: planning on doing this last Friday and then we were

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Speaker 1: all on Kenny Golladay Watch and then we're like, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see if anything else happens, and I think, well,

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Speaker 1: I think I think we think are at the end

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Speaker 1: here of the Giants major moves, and there's been a

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Speaker 1: generic question? I'll let you take us in whatever direction

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Speaker 1: you want. What was the move to you that stuck

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Speaker 1: out the most that you think is gonna have the

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think, you know, I went

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Speaker 1: into this offseason believing that they were going to be strategic,

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Speaker 1: stronger interest than the rest. Uh that would be at

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Speaker 1: you know, at edge. I thought at corner they would look.

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Speaker 1: but I think you have to go to the Galladay move,

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Speaker 1: the the Dori Jackson move strengthens what is already a strength,

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Speaker 1: at least in theory. You've made a big swing at

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Speaker 1: someone who you believe in as potential. But as far

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Speaker 1: pressing the boundary, contested catches. Uh. And the one thing

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Speaker 1: the offense completely and now has somebody and and you know, look,

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Speaker 1: at least what the Giants believe you can. Galaday is

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Speaker 1: the Golladay signing was the one that the Giants kind

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Speaker 1: and the things that Golladay can do. He has physical

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Speaker 1: he's now signed long term foundational piece. They identify three

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Speaker 1: the criticism, I think the Giants used the depressed market

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what they're gonna be judged as. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that I think, UM could be.

428
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Speaker 1: You know, you're we're sitting here in October and he's

429
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Speaker 1: making plays and he's standing out on special teams and

430
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: you're looking at and you're going, wait a minute, they

431
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: signed this guy for a million dollars, like, how have

432
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: that happened? And it's funny. Anderson, I think that it

433
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Speaker 1: brings us to the one position art or disagree with

434
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Speaker 1: me freely if you want that. I really think it's

435
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Speaker 1: probably uh probably still a big need is edge rusher.

436
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Speaker 1: You don't have that established guy rushing off the edge,

437
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Speaker 1: assuming you're counting Leonard Williams is more of a three

438
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Speaker 1: technique inside defensive lineman. You have Lorenzo Carter coming off

439
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Speaker 1: the serious injury you of Ojane Zimmenez who or shoulder injury,

440
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: missed the second half of the year. Um, you brought

441
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Speaker 1: in a Faudio Dnibo, who has something. He has tended

442
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: a half sacked last two Season's pretty good, but he's

443
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: not a guy that is going to get you double

444
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: digit sacks on the regular. And then they add a

445
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: guy like Ryan again reportedly are going to add a

446
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: guy like Ryan Anderson pending of physical and all that stuff.

447
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: So your thoughts on that position, is that really the

448
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Speaker 1: spot where you have your eye on where maybe they

449
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: can try to make some type of move, whether it's

450
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Speaker 1: the draft or somewhere else, to try to add more

451
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Speaker 1: of an impact player coming off the edge. Yeah, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's obvious that that they don't have

453
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Speaker 1: a proven guy there who's gonna come out. I mean,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, I know they were interested. They were interested

455
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Speaker 1: in Leonard Floyd. I mean the Leonard Floyd saga. I

456
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Speaker 1: think we're all going to write a book about the

457
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Speaker 1: Giants and the player they never were able to get,

458
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, when he's thirty four at some point and

459
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: they're trying to win their second Super Bowl. Leonard Floyd's

460
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Speaker 1: gonna come on a one year deal as a veteran,

461
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Speaker 1: and we're all gonna write a book about the trials

462
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: and tribulations of the pursuit of Leonard Floyd. Um, what

463
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Speaker 1: it tells me is that number one, we know they're

464
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: loaded in the secondary and the Ravens are very Um,

465
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: they're a team that believes on coverage over pressure. That

466
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Speaker 1: coverage will create the pressure up front, and I do

467
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Speaker 1: think that Pat Graham is going to look to take

468
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that and continue forward the idea

469
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Speaker 1: that with all the defensive backs that this team has,

470
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Speaker 1: are they going to be looked looking to play more

471
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Speaker 1: amba defense sub packages where you're not looking at your

472
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Speaker 1: traditional edge guards, you're putting Leonard Williams on the edge

473
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Speaker 1: to create mismatches up front, you know, maybe two down linemen,

474
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Speaker 1: which we saw some last year. So I think that's

475
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Speaker 1: kind of what it speaks to more than anything else,

476
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Speaker 1: is that I think they'd love to have an edge

477
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Speaker 1: rusher who they can count on for seventy snaps a game.

478
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Speaker 1: But the fact that they don't, I think they'll adjust

479
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Speaker 1: to it. I think they'll look at it and say,

480
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Speaker 1: in sub packages, we know we have the personnel that

481
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Speaker 1: we like. Uh, let's get them on the field and

482
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Speaker 1: however we can do that. We know we're gonna be

483
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Speaker 1: manned up on the back end, or at least will

484
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Speaker 1: be in sound coverage, whether it's zone or man uh,

485
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: and then let's get after it up front with a

486
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: bunch of different you know, like I said, unconventional situations

487
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: where Leonard Williams maybe brushing inside on one down you

488
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Speaker 1: bring in, uh, od ahead and bow to come in.

489
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Speaker 1: I think that's how you pronounce it. But I have um,

490
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Speaker 1: you know, I I reference to how I had a

491
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Speaker 1: spell it about a hundred times. I see Odin and

492
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Speaker 1: I am the Marvel Comics lover and me sees Odin,

493
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Speaker 1: and I constantly think back to, uh, you know, obviously

494
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Speaker 1: the King of Oh, you know, the King Odin. But whatever, Well,

495
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: I know I'm losing. I'm losing everyone now. But yeah,

496
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: you're a hundred percent right with the edge. I think

497
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a situation that lawrants Washington. We do

498
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Speaker 1: have the draft coming up in in April, so I

499
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Speaker 1: think there are some guys that may not necessarily stand

500
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Speaker 1: out at eleven, which is obviously where the Giants are

501
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: right now. I think they may man like some guys

502
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Speaker 1: that they can do some things with, whether it's first round,

503
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Speaker 1: second round. Uh, we'll see how that that second phase

504
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: of the offseason acquisition, uh turns out good transition are

505
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Speaker 1: to the draft. Can they look at this now and

506
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Speaker 1: just say at eleven aside from the edge players, because

507
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Speaker 1: you talk about that and we can talk about the

508
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: offensive line too, but can they really just almost discard

509
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Speaker 1: need at this point and just say, all right, we

510
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Speaker 1: think this guy is the highest grade to play. If

511
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver grade, if he's a cornerback grade,

512
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: if he's an edge rusher, great, if he's an offensive lineman, great,

513
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Speaker 1: Where did I take the best guy? And that's always

514
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Speaker 1: what Dave Gentleman's told us, right to use his fore

515
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: agency to plug holes so he doesn't have to fill

516
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Speaker 1: needs in the draft. Is that where the Giants all

517
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: right now? In your opinion? Yes, I do, And I

518
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: think that's kind of where they've been from the moment

519
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Speaker 1: Joe Judge came on board because I think Dave Gentleman

520
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: once told me, and I'm gonna have a story about

521
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: this at some point next week, they've Geentleman said, and

522
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: this was in Pat Scharmer's regime, and he said, my

523
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: job as a general manager is to know the vision

524
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Speaker 1: of my head coach and to do everything I can

525
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: to get him the players and the things he needs

526
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Speaker 1: to make that vision come true. Basically, I'm paraphrasing, I

527
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Speaker 1: have Dave's quote, you know, built a way that I

528
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Speaker 1: use when I write the story. But the Giants right now,

529
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: they embraced Joe Judge's vision the moment that he walked

530
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: out of that interview for the head coaching job. And

531
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Speaker 1: I think the front office what they've done well, And

532
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: that's Dave Gentleman, that's Kevin Abrams, it's everyone on the

533
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: personnel side, its ownership. They have bought into Judge, just

534
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: like Judges players have brought into him. They've brought into Judge.

535
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Speaker 1: And I think they have a very clear vision as

536
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: to what they want from this team. And I don't

537
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: think they're walking into the draft going Okay, we need

538
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: this position for and we'll worry about week too later.

539
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna look at this position and look

540
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: at the spot, whether it's eleven or in the second

541
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Speaker 1: round of the third round, and saying, how does this

542
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: guy help us build into what we want? You know,

543
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: if I don't have him for half a year because

544
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: he's still learning, But I think that come November, this

545
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be firing on all cylinders. I think

546
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Speaker 1: they will take them. So on that front, I think

547
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: need is kind of put to the side a little bit,

548
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: and you look at you say, let's take the best player.

549
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: And I think I wrote something this week. Look, if

550
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: that best player is Davante Smith, well that player is J. C.

551
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Horne or Patrick Surtan, you take them. You don't look

552
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: at it, and you don't walk away from good players.

553
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: If you walk away from good players the following year,

554
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: you're chasing a good player. And I think if you're

555
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: chasing a good player, that is not where this team

556
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: wants to be. They've been in that position for a

557
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: long time time now, and they hit on some, but

558
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: they've missed on a lot. And if you're chasing that guy,

559
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: and you can look across you know your division, and

560
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: you see guys. I mean, look the Cowboys, whether they

561
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: didn't win last year or not, they're still loaded up

562
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I mean they have a Marii Cooper,

563
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallop. They didn't walk away from

564
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb last year and say oh we should go

565
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: get it now. Ceedee Lamb is arguably the best player

566
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Speaker 1: on their on their offense. So I think Giants, as

567
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: much as they're gonna need guys, if that need does

568
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: not match up, you just take the good player and

569
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, let's see what happens in

570
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: August and September. I mean, things look a lot different

571
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: sometimes in September on the depth chart than maybe they

572
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: do in March and April. You know, are this year

573
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: A big part of it is figuring out what they

574
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: have in Daniel Jones right and getting knowing exactly how

575
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: you want to proceed, how good he's going to be

576
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: out good, how good he can be. And they've done

577
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: a lot of worker ay, put the offense around him

578
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: the weapons that he needs. But look, the offensive line

579
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: in front of him is still very young. I think

580
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: they're pretty set the tackle position, Andrew Thomas matt third

581
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: round pick last year, Nate Solder. You gotta vet their

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: two young guys. I think they're in pretty good shape there.

583
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: But in the interior at guard, assuming Nick Gates they're

584
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: happy with him at center, I don't see why they

585
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't be. They have the two young guys Shane Lemieu,

586
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez. Then he got guys like Chad Slade. They

587
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: brought in Jonathan Harrison, who's an interior guy center guard combo,

588
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: do you think they still want to add more to

589
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: that guard spot of veteran that can compete with the

590
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: young guys that you know, there's a baseline level of play.

591
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Could they use a high draft pick on an on,

592
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: on a guard that can compete with those two guys?

593
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, Will is also entering the last year of

594
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: his rookie contracts will have to make a decision on him.

595
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: How do you think they view that offensive line, specifically

596
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the interior moving forward here? To make sure Daniel Jones

597
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: not only has the weapons that he needs, but has

598
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: the protection that he needs too, because all we've seen it, right,

599
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: the Johns have had weapons before. If you can't protect

600
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't make that much of a difference. And that

601
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: goes on se kuon Barkley too. I mean, we're talking

602
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: about evaluating Daniel Jones, and I get the pressure, but

603
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: there's evaluation on s Kuan as well. I mean, his

604
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: fifth year option is coming, which they have to pick

605
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: it up. Um at least in my mind, but um,

606
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about your two best offensive players

607
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: that you need. You're still looking for an evaluation on that.

608
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: That puts you in a tough position. I do think

609
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: that there are places to improve this offensive line. I

610
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: think they need to to give themselves options. I don't

611
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: know necessarily if they have those options. Yet. I like

612
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: what they did with Nate Solder. I think getting him

613
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: to come back, uh, and he made a big commitment.

614
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: When we hear about restructures of contracts around the league,

615
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: when it's guys who are stars and productive players who

616
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: basically just take a sign they have their salary turned

617
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: into a signing bonus so they get their money today

618
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: instead of tomorrow. That's not necessarily a sacrifice. Nate Solder

619
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: acrifice to come back here to be with the Giants.

620
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: What do you have got another opportunity? I'm not sure,

621
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: but I like what they have at tackle right now.

622
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: Could it be better, sure of course, but what they

623
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: have inside, I think they should be looking at the

624
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: second and third tier of guys who you know, maybe

625
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: you find a veteran on a one year deal who

626
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: can come in at at a cheap, you know, inexpensive

627
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: rate and say give me what you got. I want

628
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: to see what you got because if my guys are ready,

629
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: I want to see where you are, and you buy

630
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: yourself the time to maybe draft a guy on day two.

631
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: That could be an interior alignment. There are a lot

632
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: of interior alignment this year. That people like in that

633
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: second and third round, so maybe you get an opportunity

634
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: to to snag an offensive lineman there. But this whole

635
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: idea John, and I know you guys hear it all

636
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: the time too. The Giants have poured assets into the

637
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's not that they're not trying to improve

638
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: this offensive line. Sooner or later. Some of these guys,

639
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: you gotta make them hit, whether it's developed them or

640
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: pick the right guys. So you know, if you're looking

641
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Speaker 1: at you know, from left to right, if you're looking

642
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: at and Andrew Thomas, Will Hernandez, Nate, Nick Gates, Shane

643
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: Lemieu and Matt part you're talking about first rounder, second rounder.

644
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: You've made the most out of an undrafted free agent,

645
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: which is great. You're fifth rounder at right guard and

646
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: then the third rounder at right tackle. It's I mean,

647
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: except except for the new which you would understand. You

648
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: have to develop a guy a little bit, uh and

649
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: then obviously you hit on an undrafted uh guy you

650
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: converted to center and Nick Gates, I mean, that's pretty

651
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: that's a good job. You gotta have the other guys

652
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: step up, so Rob sail the offensive look. The new

653
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: offensive line coach I mean, Joe Judge is putting a

654
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: lot of emphasis. You know, Pat Flaherty back in the

655
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: organization as an advisor on both sides of the ball,

656
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: but obviously he's gonna have some sort of voice with

657
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I just I think that it would

658
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: be nice to add a piece or two if they're

659
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the right piece. I don't think you just go out

660
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, well we got a draft

661
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman because this is gonna work. The Giants

662
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: have done that and it's failed. You gotta try to

663
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: try something different, and I think they have a good approach.

664
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Speaker 1: Now they've got to make it work. Now. One guy

665
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: they couldn't bring back this offseason was Dalvin Tomlinson Art.

666
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: Do you think they need to bring in a guy

667
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: to to kind of fill in where he left off,

668
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: or do you think the Austin Johnson's of the world,

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Speaker 1: maybe Dexter Laurens play some more nose tackle. Are the

670
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: guys on the roster B J. Hill, R. J mcindosh

671
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: go down the list? Are those guys gonna be able

672
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: to step in and give you enough from what you're

673
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: losing with Dalvin walking out the door? Yeah, I mean

674
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: I think you you have to you have to look

675
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: ahead and say, you know, Austin Johnson came back, I

676
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: mean he was, he was good in a last year.

677
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily look to I mean, starting is coming

678
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: in and playing, playing snaps off, you know, off the bench.

679
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: That doesn't really matter anymore. I mean Patrick Graham has

680
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: pretty much shown. I mean you had you had linebackers

681
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: here last year, you got the start, and then when

682
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: you looked at the game at the end of the game,

683
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: the defensive snaps were around twelve thirteen per game. So

684
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: starting versus filling a role is important. I would look

685
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: for a guy in the draft. I mean, look, it's

686
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: different regimes, but the personnel philosophy is similar. The Giants

687
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: have done well finding that quote unquote runs stopping defensive

688
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft, and those guys are available. They're

689
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: always available. Third round, fourth round. You want to fit

690
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: a prototype. I mean Thominson went second round, Jonathan Hankins

691
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: was second round. You pay big money for snacks Harrison

692
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: who was an undrafted guy but made the most of

693
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: his career. So I think the Giants will figure it out.

694
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: I think they probably have a little bit of a

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00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: plan Um, you know, where does b G. B J.

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Speaker 1: Hill fit. Uh. It'll be interesting, you know, it'll be

697
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: very interesting to see if he's in it rotational spot

698
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: or do they like what they saw enough from b

699
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: J Hill last year? Like you said, maybe you kicked

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00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Dexter to the nose a little bit more. Have b J.

701
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Hill come and play that role and then you have

702
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Leonard up front and then kind of move things around.

703
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think there's a chance that

704
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: they bring a defensive tackle in through the draft and

705
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: have that guy play, you know, snaps a game in

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: run packages if he's good enough. Uh, and then that's

707
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: how you kind of replaced dlvin. But look, Dalvin is

708
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: a great player. It's unfortunate that they weren't able to

709
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: keep him. I think they were a year too late.

710
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: If they were aggressive early on in his career, maybe

711
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: they could have gotten him to stay here at a

712
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: lower rate. But they had to pick and choose, and

713
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: I think they made the right call with Leonard Williams

714
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: versus Dalvin Thompson. How do you think Patrick graham Art

715
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: is going to approach this defense now, because last year,

716
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, he did such a good job with the

717
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: disguising and playing different zones and doing things like that.

718
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: But I think we all kind of thought that was

719
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: out of nature for what he did in Miami and

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00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: what he's always classically done from the places he's been

721
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: as a defensive defensive coach with a lot of man

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00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: to man. Do you think we're gonna see more man

723
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: now with Dorry Jackson there and things like that, or

724
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: really stick with what work last year where the Giants

725
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: were a you know, top ten defense in most ways.

726
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating to see how, you know, Patrick

727
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Graham does adjust, if at all, how he utilizes frankly,

728
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: the improved personnel he's gonna have with the addition of Jackson. Yeah,

729
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a great, great point. And

730
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: if if a Dorry Jackson is the player that the

731
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: Giants are paying for, then you're probably gonna see more man.

732
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the disguise element of what

733
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: you can do now in that secondary and the idea

734
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: of how well Jerome Henderson secondary coach works with Patrick

735
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Graham in terms of set and third downs. Heard that

736
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: a lot from play years last year, the idea of

737
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, the third down plan that they would come

738
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: up with the give and take between Logan Ryan, Jibrol, Peppers, Uh,

739
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: you know Blake Martinez obviously. Um, I think what Graham

740
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: is going to do is it's not so much adding

741
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: tools to his toolbox. It gives him an opportunity to

742
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: kind of create more formulas to kind of put out

743
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: there on the field. So absolutely, I think if you're

744
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: looking at what Dory Jackson can do, I mean there

745
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: may be times where you say, you know, a Dory

746
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: is the guy we're gonna build around in Man and

747
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: then we're gonna have Bradberry play a little zone. We

748
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: saw Bradberry play some zone against Washington last year. That

749
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: interception he had in coverage against Taryer McLaurin was the

750
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: perfect call in that situation. Then when you look the

751
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: second Washington game, the Giants confused Alex Smith tremendously and

752
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: that's how Peppers and Logan Ryan got their their interceptions.

753
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, look Patrick Graham staying and

754
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: that's something that probably is gonna get clossed over. We

755
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: won't talk about it enough. Patrick Graham deciding to forego

756
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: any type of head coaching interviews and sign up to

757
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: stay with the Giants and be, you know, be the

758
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Belichick to Joe Judges, Bill Parcelves. I joked about that,

759
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that that's where they are,

760
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: but that's kind of the respect that Joe Judge has

761
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: given Patrick Graham, is that when Parcelves looked at Belichick,

762
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: there was that respect there. I mean, there was a

763
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: respect there. Okay, you're my guy. How are we gonna

764
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: do this? And I think we saw that at the

765
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Joe Judge and Patrick Graham were there together

766
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: with the limitations of the rest of the staff. I

767
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: think Patrick Graham right now knew what he had coming back.

768
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: They had to talk about things they would do if

769
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: they got X, Y and Z. So I like the

770
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: idea of what Patrick Graham can do. And I think

771
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: the question you asked me is a question that offensive

772
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: coordinators around the league, specifically in the NFC East, have

773
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: to be asking about the Giants. Is that what is

774
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Graham going to do now with the type of

775
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: talent that he has assembled, especially on the back end,

776
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: because if you can get the coverage together, you can

777
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: figure it out up front. And I think that's kind

778
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: of what they're looking at in or even I remember

779
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: you was talking about coming back from that Washington game.

780
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: He was, Oh, yeah, you know, Pat and I watched

781
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: and taped together in the front car or on the flame.

782
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: Me and Pat watched this, and you kind of feel

783
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: like those two guys are really attached to hip. I'm

784
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: with and I think interestingly on offense, now, you asked

785
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: the same question, right. I don't know if you agree

786
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: with this take, but my opinion last year is that

787
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: the Giants decided the best way they had a chance

788
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: to win games was to play a conservative offense. Run

789
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the ball protected, don't turn it over. We know our

790
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: defense is good. Let them try to win us games

791
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: in tighten seventeen fourteen type of games. Right, but now

792
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: with some more weapons on offense, Sae Kwon Barkley, maybe

793
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: back Daniel Jones a year older, second year in the system,

794
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna see this offense open up

795
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: a little bit and be a little bit more spread out,

796
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more pass heavy, or do you still

797
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: think they're gonna stick with that same approach that they

798
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: had last year. Well, here's my thing I think we

799
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: learned from Joe Judge in year one is that, Uh,

800
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: there's always a plan, right, there's a plan their details,

801
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and he talked a lot about when the season ended,

802
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna watch the playoff games and you know,

803
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: take notes and see what teams do. And if you

804
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: watch offenses around the league, take Town aside because I

805
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: understand what the talent level is in the Kansas City

806
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: versus what the Giants have list. But if you watch

807
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Kansas City and you see what they do schematically, if

808
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: you're not doing that as another team in the NFL,

809
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: you're cheating yourself. You're not. You need to pick up

810
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: on things around the league and try to bring it

811
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: into your philosophical and schematic approach to what you do.

812
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: And what I learned about hun and I think when

813
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: I look at what I learned from Judge last year

814
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: is that it was a collective effort. It was a

815
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, Jason's the offensive coach, but if Freddie has

816
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: some Freddie Kitchens has some ideas, let's bring him in here.

817
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: And obviously Freddie got put into the O C role

818
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: when when Jason, you know, had COVID and couldn't be

819
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: with the team. But the reality is more voices in

820
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: certain aspects could kind of open you up a little

821
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: bit more. And I think Jason Garrett doesn't strike me

822
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator a year two that he's gonna

823
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: look at Joe Judge and say, I know what you're saying, Joe,

824
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: but this is what I do. If he felt that way,

825
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: he would not be here. He would not be he

826
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: would have gone and found another job somewhere else. So

827
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I think, like what you're saying, I'm optimistic that they

828
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: watched around the league, saw their deficiencies and will improve that.

829
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: It just matters what happens when you roll the balls out,

830
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: say are we actually going to do it on game

831
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: day versus what we may be practicing and training camp.

832
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: All right, final question, let's ask some fun with this.

833
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: I'll put you on the spot. Art give me the

834
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: Giants person second round picks in the draft and a

835
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: little bit more than a month. Oh man, I've been

836
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: going back and forth, back and forth. UM, I'll give you.

837
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I I had a mock draft the other day that I, um,

838
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: I would look at and I'd say, you know what,

839
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: I could see something like this happened. The Vikings came

840
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: to me and asked for a trade. Going from fourteen

841
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: to eleven. Right, So I figured, okay, I'll drop back

842
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: to fourteen. They need they wanted one of my my

843
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: second the giants second sixth round pick, which was the

844
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: one they got from Marcus Golden, and they would give

845
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: me a second rounder. So I did that deal. I

846
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: moved back from from eleven to fourteen. I know Gettleman's

847
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: history about moving back. I think it's overblown, but whatever. Uh.

848
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: And I took a ziz Ogilari from Georgia in that situation.

849
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: I thought he's the kind of player that would fit

850
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: what Patrick Graham likes, what Joe Judge believes in. Defensively,

851
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: he can get after it in rushdowns, he can drop

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Speaker 1: back in coverage. He's a he's a raw pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: So I would look to get a guy like that

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Speaker 1: of this sterling Shepherd had. Where is Darius Slayton that

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Speaker 1: Um so that's that's where I was at. The other

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Speaker 1: how the Giants board will shake out, but he's a guy.

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Speaker 1: Like we said that offensive line. If the player is

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Speaker 1: how the combinations fit after the fact. Some good names,

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Speaker 1: aren't we appreciate it. Tell the folks where they can

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Speaker 1: kind of what I would what I would say. But

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate being on with you guys. John, Now,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us an absolutely we need

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Speaker 1: local news, newspapers and all that stuff. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for the time, my friend. Um, hopefully I will see

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Speaker 1: My friend, good seeing you sounds good, John. That's Art

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Speaker 1: Stapleton from the Record North Jersey dot com. We thank

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